Speaker 1: M hm m hm. Welcome back to another edition of
Speaker 1: All the Smoke. Jack's been a good day, man. We've
Speaker 1: had some some good guests, some great conversations, and we
Speaker 1: get to finish it off strong. Oh you're Mike. Great
Speaker 1: way to finish it. Lame it on the weed, not
Speaker 1: his heart. That's right. We got a special guest man
Speaker 1: fresh off Coachella. Uh, someone we look up to, UH
Speaker 1: learn a lot from and it's an honor to have
Speaker 1: him sit down on this couch with us. Man, kill
Speaker 1: the Mike. Welcome to the show. Bro. Yes, let the
Speaker 1: boy take you too. Seriously, it's my birthday. Fault twining off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got him a haircut in here, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. We took here and you know you came,
Speaker 1: You came and got pamper. We want to take care
Speaker 1: of you. Forward to man, what y'all did for me today.
Speaker 1: My goal is to take to every NBA arena. Man.
Speaker 1: We have a swag shop, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's blossoming and Stay Farm arena. But I want
Speaker 1: to be in all of them. I want to be
Speaker 1: in Dallas. Talk to us what that explained to people
Speaker 1: aren't familiar what that is? Well, usually you know, as
Speaker 1: a man, you go to barbershop. That's the one hour
Speaker 1: a week it belongs to you if you're a hip woman,
Speaker 1: because a lot of women come and get the eyebrows,
Speaker 1: get their face. That's the place where you ain't got
Speaker 1: to worry about argue in which points of who's shoving
Speaker 1: into now, because you're coming in there, you running the floor.
Speaker 1: Like so, barbershop is a special kind of culture. Really
Speaker 1: is a country club of working class man. And I
Speaker 1: thought that you should be shave Washington groom there total
Speaker 1: you know. So me and my wife started barbershop about
Speaker 1: nineteen years ago near the Atlanta Airport. It grew to
Speaker 1: Edgewood Avenue, which, like the bar Dish in Atlanta, got
Speaker 1: invited to gore and stay farm. Now I aim is
Speaker 1: to make that forty five minutes the one hour a
Speaker 1: week you get just about you come in listening to
Speaker 1: dope music, get a shot, get a straight raye shaver,
Speaker 1: hot tiger on your face. You and your son come in.
Speaker 1: Add to the culture. Next week you might have a
Speaker 1: T shirt with something you said on it. You know,
Speaker 1: do the problem with you. It is made fun the
Speaker 1: people by the people there. We we gotta buy later. Yes,
Speaker 1: we got some cusho and ensure people too, so just
Speaker 1: so we go, oh yeah, you gotta hear the cushat
Speaker 1: some boys. You gotta do some cushot. We'll give you
Speaker 1: tick because you're a guest, but we know we'll do
Speaker 1: it after. We gotta get on. Put you good with
Speaker 1: you good shouts out of the big ball, low back now. Man.
Speaker 1: But the shop, the shop is so so successful, man,
Speaker 1: you know, I live in Atlanta. It shot so successful
Speaker 1: that motherfucker's tried to vandalize it and tried to shut
Speaker 1: it down just because it was doing so much business
Speaker 1: and was appreciated so much by the community. They tried it. Well,
Speaker 1: Ama go on saying the devil state business young man. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: man who's played with mental illness and he um, he
Speaker 1: just kind of cracked the kind of fixated on me
Speaker 1: and a couple other people. But you know, I just
Speaker 1: pray for him. But really, you know, I really pray
Speaker 1: for him because the community didn't appreciate it, you know,
Speaker 1: and he not as melanated as we are, so he
Speaker 1: kind of stand out in the crowd. I wouldn't want
Speaker 1: that to happen to him. We just mentioned you just
Speaker 1: came back from Coachella. What was that experience? Like, Man,
Speaker 1: we haven't been up for three years. We have been
Speaker 1: on post. We are when I say we are in
Speaker 1: a roup group, some people don't know. So it took
Speaker 1: me two years become overnight success. And I just say
Speaker 1: that because a lot of times a player, you might
Speaker 1: go to a team you don't want to be with.
Speaker 1: But you build something in your team and change something
Speaker 1: your character. It grow you that journey. Then you might
Speaker 1: peeve it and get traded someone else. So you might
Speaker 1: bring a championship there and change the culture that My
Speaker 1: career was like that. I came out in a real
Speaker 1: big way without cans and a lot of great things
Speaker 1: happening early, and then I chose are going to independent
Speaker 1: around So about two thousand eleven, I met a guy
Speaker 1: named LP, guy named Jason DeMarco put us together. Um
Speaker 1: he was at the Cartoon Network at the time where
Speaker 1: adults whim. He put us in a room together. You
Speaker 1: just say, man, y'all should be working. And it turned
Speaker 1: out to be like putting ice Cube in a room
Speaker 1: with Chuck the in the Bombs card. You know what
Speaker 1: Chuck saying? You know you should work with the Bombs
Speaker 1: Card and me and A L created an album called
Speaker 1: Rap Music. This is a tenth year that record came out.
Speaker 1: That record changed the trajectory of my career. You know.
Speaker 1: The year before that, I had a song called Rick
Speaker 1: Flair and Rolling Stone that was like top fifty songs
Speaker 1: of the year, and I was like, man, you gotta
Speaker 1: keep pushing. That year that album hit and then hit
Speaker 1: in a way like like this is another killer Mike.
Speaker 1: It's not just a guy who is a protege of
Speaker 1: one of the greatest rap roots in the world. This
Speaker 1: is something new. Right after that, LP and I decided
Speaker 1: to do essentially what was the mixtape called Run the
Speaker 1: Jews one. Running Jules one put us in rooms. What
Speaker 1: we were doing three to five people, but it was consistent.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, over a couple of months
Speaker 1: and three to five hundred turning eight hundred to thousand.
Speaker 1: You go back, you do Rund the Jews two, and
Speaker 1: now you're Mound Juice and Running Jus four brings us
Speaker 1: to opening for Raging and Some Machine for their reunion tour,
Speaker 1: which you take us through April of next year, has
Speaker 1: us on in mid day at Coachella UM both weekend,
Speaker 1: and it has us marching back out in our own
Speaker 1: solo shows and festival and well due shows and festivals.
Speaker 1: And then ten years after rap music and ten nine
Speaker 1: years after former you know, Run the Jewels were one
Speaker 1: of the most tour bands in the world, and it's
Speaker 1: just amazing, you know what I mean. So I'm blessed
Speaker 1: happy to be here. And that's why Folks is gonna
Speaker 1: be a lot more internal with me because we got
Speaker 1: Coachell after this in a few days. Beautiful. You mentioned
Speaker 1: during your set we need to change this country. Can
Speaker 1: you elaborate on that we do. We don't have to
Speaker 1: fight twenty years to progress two years, so there are
Speaker 1: certain things that we could do, you know, with everyone
Speaker 1: right now raving Oh, the Biden administration is a potentially
Speaker 1: going to get fed on decriminalization of marijuana. Sanders would
Speaker 1: have did it in a strugle pin by taking it often.
Speaker 1: And we need to start insisting that people that we
Speaker 1: vote for our support from a local level up. So
Speaker 1: I see a president's name because they get your attention.
Speaker 1: Who's your prosecutor, who's your mayor going to appoint police chief,
Speaker 1: who's your city councilperson who's running for Senate right now
Speaker 1: in Atlanta? You know, in terms of George who's running
Speaker 1: for Centing? Who are you gonna support? And why you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you gotta start saying this. Who's
Speaker 1: running for lieutenant governor? Everyone knows that camping Abrams are
Speaker 1: probably gonna fight it out November. This who's gonna be like?
Speaker 1: But we have a young man running for lieutenant governor
Speaker 1: named Kwamie and I mean Quansa. I'm sorry, Quansa is
Speaker 1: running and Quansa wants to decriminalize instantly. He's for a
Speaker 1: more progressive marijuana stands. But what does that matter? Like,
Speaker 1: you get to smoke anyway? You rich? You nobody tripping? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but more than smoke. Country folks got land. You might
Speaker 1: have fifty acres, you might have a hundred acres. We
Speaker 1: might have four acres between us. That qualifies us to
Speaker 1: get government grants and laws considerations to start growing himp.
Speaker 1: So if I never get high again, I'm still gonna
Speaker 1: need some hemp ro. I'm going to the the time my
Speaker 1: boat at the fishing port. You know, I'm still have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to make money. So we should be focused
Speaker 1: on those things and we should be pushing the line
Speaker 1: on this thing. So when I say this country needs
Speaker 1: to change, we can get fast about our ship. You
Speaker 1: know when I'm where I'm from, if all people told
Speaker 1: you do something, you got about the business doing it.
Speaker 1: Fin what switch got hit to you? Then you might
Speaker 1: have to walk and get the switch. And what I'm
Speaker 1: saying the black cooke is and working glass people period.
Speaker 1: You need to start requiring the pace that your grandparents
Speaker 1: required of you when you were a child growing up
Speaker 1: in the South. From the skeeper's bitch. And if you
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm talking about, called somebody country into
Speaker 1: we don't have to wait. We live in a country
Speaker 1: where the states still kills people, and often times we
Speaker 1: figure out it's wrong. So I'm just saying, until we
Speaker 1: get that perfected, let's not kill people, no matter the crime.
Speaker 1: And trust me, there are people I feel like should
Speaker 1: be dead. But a man in South Carolina gets to
Speaker 1: choose whether he dies by a lecture chair or firing
Speaker 1: s card, and he chose firing s card. We have
Speaker 1: a record call letter to the firing card. What would
Speaker 1: you say to them? And that record? I challenge you
Speaker 1: all to go listen to it's a great record. I
Speaker 1: think y'all find some solids and peace in it. But
Speaker 1: I thought about this two thousand twenty two man. And
Speaker 1: it's a man sitting here deciding, you know, if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna die by a lot of people say, oh my, well,
Speaker 1: that's right there, you know, that's that's But man, it's
Speaker 1: someone and I family has done something terrible, somebody you love.
Speaker 1: He's done something terrible enough to die for. About other cultures,
Speaker 1: they have things, and It'slam. You could die for the
Speaker 1: things of Christianity you've died for. Look at the siw
Speaker 1: You died in Christianity. You hadn't even committed no sins,
Speaker 1: you know. He just protested banks and seeing human beings,
Speaker 1: a boy the state. So when you start to really
Speaker 1: think about our country, how christian we claim to be,
Speaker 1: how tolerant we claimed to bring, how liberal we claim
Speaker 1: to be. If you hold it up against the mirror,
Speaker 1: you can you can say we probably need to change
Speaker 1: things by ourself. And I love, you know, I love
Speaker 1: the country I've you know, my people have been a
Speaker 1: cornerstone to be on this country. So you talk about
Speaker 1: me going to Frederi Dugald's high school and understanding the
Speaker 1: importance of that makes me very proud to be a
Speaker 1: part of the lantage of this country. But doesn't mean
Speaker 1: we can't do better immediacy. Let's go talk about the Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're growing up in a TIL. I've been living in
Speaker 1: a Til. It's when it's something pleasures. I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up there, but it's home now. I love the city.
Speaker 1: But tell, but tell, talk to us about the Lanta
Speaker 1: of your brain. Man. You know how you on your press,
Speaker 1: your media runs. You know you from me where you're from,
Speaker 1: so you go on your meteor and you think everybody everything.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize being Southern was major difference, and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize being Atlanta, you know, intensify something difference. Tell
Speaker 1: us a lot of a lot of folks in the South,
Speaker 1: they don't they don't, they don't bother with won't make
Speaker 1: people to accept them. They accept themselves. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean across color, right, And we want my grands about
Speaker 1: your color. You're kind of He knew who he was.
Speaker 1: He didn't care what you thought on you know, and
Speaker 1: if if you insisted too much, you was gonna get
Speaker 1: some pushed back. My grandmother they say when she was
Speaker 1: a girl, she preferred working in the field. She didn't
Speaker 1: want to be nobody's cooking stuff. But I realized how
Speaker 1: much we meant to when I realized she cooked for us.
Speaker 1: You know, so she said, I have a responsibilities children.
Speaker 1: But I grew up in the neighborhood kind of car
Speaker 1: your Heights. It was found in the nineteen forty six
Speaker 1: by black people for black people. Everybody lived there. Dr
Speaker 1: King's parents to working class folks like my grandparents. And
Speaker 1: what I learned was when Dr King said the content
Speaker 1: of your character, I really understood it because my grandparents
Speaker 1: and the people who lived around me didn't give me
Speaker 1: a booget man to be afraid. You know. Now, we
Speaker 1: knew we were competing because we got told. You know, y'all,
Speaker 1: I didn't have three white teachers in my whole life.
Speaker 1: That's how black my world was. So we got told
Speaker 1: very early. You know, their kids in North full thing.
Speaker 1: You know it's called for wife, and they're there right now.
Speaker 1: They're not playing in their classroom. So we have a
Speaker 1: sense of honor about being when I say we you know,
Speaker 1: I went to school with n n C A Champion
Speaker 1: U C L A Cameron Dollar now coaches and Seat
Speaker 1: don't want school. Stanley Pritchard played for Miami Dolphin, Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1: Robert Hicks, my best friend, says kind of going. I
Speaker 1: played with Buffalo Bills, get past off of Athletics Chief
Speaker 1: Judge Arser Jackson and the cav County Dean rah and
Speaker 1: be Yard Georgia tech like I went to school some
Speaker 1: heavyweight man, but we were just working class kids. But
Speaker 1: we got a healthy sense of being competent and confident
Speaker 1: really early. So for me, when I blossomthing got out
Speaker 1: in the world, I didn't realize how black folks didn't
Speaker 1: grow up like that, and I didn't realize the world
Speaker 1: and operate like that. So it took some adjusting for me.
Speaker 1: Once I started getting famous, I guess and started moving around.
Speaker 1: But it's been cool. It's been a cool ride. Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate Drey and being you change in my life
Speaker 1: because I got into Moorhouse, stupidest thing I could have done.
Speaker 1: Drop out, and then I found myself, you know, looking
Speaker 1: around working at all those are like ship I fucked
Speaker 1: up and toying, you know, in particular big Boy Champion
Speaker 1: to me, to Dre and Regina Davenport, who was like
Speaker 1: the product manager at the time. They gave me an
Speaker 1: opportunity to change my life and the ride started, and
Speaker 1: I've been on a twenty year run thanks to mentorship
Speaker 1: with people like Pamp and Bunn, you know, Balling g.
Speaker 1: I just want to show a lot of reverence for
Speaker 1: people like you know, Tony Draper, j Prince, Like it's
Speaker 1: a whole history of when people say, Mike you small,
Speaker 1: You're not like southern Southern. I was kind of country
Speaker 1: ship they say this. I think that's it's almost assulting
Speaker 1: because I didn't grow up under the tutelage of some
Speaker 1: of the greatest people, like you know. I challenge people
Speaker 1: just man, go back and listen to old Southern discographies,
Speaker 1: like the music has been one hunting. You've been getting
Speaker 1: lessons in the music, like the ship you for sucking
Speaker 1: around and learn listening to you know, even at that time,
Speaker 1: like what too Short was saying on right, too Short
Speaker 1: saying be about your money like a million you know,
Speaker 1: even one from the South. It was linked. The Bay
Speaker 1: Area was linked. I just think I think the South
Speaker 1: and you know, the Third Coast movement of that so
Speaker 1: had a lot of do putting me here. You know.
Speaker 1: I love the music, love my upbringing. Just proud to
Speaker 1: be here today. Probably stone and talking a little long.
Speaker 1: But how was it growing up with young parents? Man?
Speaker 1: Thank god they didn't raise me. I tell them, yeah,
Speaker 1: I told that later that thenice, I told it all
Speaker 1: the whole. On the other side, listen, y'all kids out
Speaker 1: there sucking many slow down, man and show you a lot.
Speaker 1: Going to say, stay child as long as you can.
Speaker 1: I my dad would say, say, you know he's child.
Speaker 1: Put you back ten years find you know, man, So
Speaker 1: you have to you know, I said I messed around.
Speaker 1: My dad had folk children. I did the same thing.
Speaker 1: I ain't mad, but the amount of work I've had
Speaker 1: to do to support him, and the time it took
Speaker 1: away from him. Like I'm bringing all my kids out
Speaker 1: the Coachella for the first time this week, the youngest
Speaker 1: when he is fifteen years old. Her name is Michael.
Speaker 1: And then I have a son named pony Boy he's
Speaker 1: twenty years have a twenty four year old daughter named
Speaker 1: a nine year boy. Leave. Okay, you know the thing
Speaker 1: about it is you you get to working so hard
Speaker 1: you you missed part to the growth. So that's why
Speaker 1: I just want to tell young men out there that
Speaker 1: birth control by see if see if you can get
Speaker 1: on County services, get yourself for free. Ye out here
Speaker 1: to tell you, boy, they would have control. Whatever was
Speaker 1: ship out of it A fucking fucking yeah. The game
Speaker 1: a billionaire what you're talking about touched the billion right now. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't pay the half a million, so I know
Speaker 1: that light wunning for you. I might pass out. I
Speaker 1: did a half I got five girls, two boys expensive,
Speaker 1: so I know you. Oh my god, please don't remind me.
Speaker 1: Make to That's that's the whole that's the that's the
Speaker 1: whole downfall there. Yeah, man, you can't get Yeah. I
Speaker 1: will say this, though we we understand the tactical advantage
Speaker 1: to the advantage, when when we be advantaging. You know,
Speaker 1: you know were I told my daughter my daughter ex
Speaker 1: boyfriend told him. I liked them both kids, but you
Speaker 1: know his child. You know, you don't never think he's
Speaker 1: gonna last. Were you telling me they're gonna last? Because
Speaker 1: usually don't, but you're gonna remain friends. But I told him,
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, I say now, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you she in a great situation because she got me.
Speaker 1: She got a auntie. She gotta love it. Mama, Grandma,
Speaker 1: I say you messed around and get a pregnant, she's
Speaker 1: gonna be straight. I'm gonna here to tell you know,
Speaker 1: she don't get pissed because you got good health. And
Speaker 1: if y'all ain't you gonna go down there, she's gonna
Speaker 1: put your ass on the You know, I talked to
Speaker 1: like a plate like a home water, don't you know?
Speaker 1: So he Thank god they didn't ever do that. But
Speaker 1: you know, I tell my children, stay my child as
Speaker 1: long as she can. I don't before you have because
Speaker 1: my parents were sixteen and nineteen when I was born,
Speaker 1: and my grandpa my grandparents were fifty four and forty four,
Speaker 1: and thank god my forty for your grandmother wanted another child,
Speaker 1: so I was just hers. By the time my mom married,
Speaker 1: I have two dads. I'm blessed with two fathers. By
Speaker 1: the time she married my second father, you know, and
Speaker 1: my grandmother just told him go figure out how to
Speaker 1: be a wife, and I'm gonna raise him. And then
Speaker 1: when my sisters were born, she actually my sisters be
Speaker 1: heaver to be raised me. So we've been on our
Speaker 1: grandparents all right. We had an RV. We got to
Speaker 1: go to Florida and Tennessee. We gotta going to church trips.
Speaker 1: You know. Our mama, man, she was you know, she
Speaker 1: was young and working. We was like, man, thank god,
Speaker 1: we have to be you know, we wanted to last.
Speaker 1: Key to nothing. My grandfather asked my grandmother, she was
Speaker 1: a nurse. This is a lot of women. I'd be
Speaker 1: hearing all of the arguments on online. But all my
Speaker 1: teachers were married to working class man. So all my
Speaker 1: teachers had degreed but to me, and they were married
Speaker 1: to with plumbers and carpenters and locksmith owners and stuff.
Speaker 1: My grandmother was a nurse. My grandfather troll dump trumps,
Speaker 1: which was good money. You know, you're driving trucks and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I just want to encourage us, you know, do that,
Speaker 1: do some of that, you know, look outside your level
Speaker 1: or whatever I mean, because my my my grandmother could
Speaker 1: read right. My grandfather was functionally literate and could count
Speaker 1: any money just spread on the table. So they balanced
Speaker 1: each other well. But I remember when he came to it,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you know, and this is like we
Speaker 1: watched no fall. This is when the crack era was
Speaker 1: starting exploding. She said, I want I want you here.
Speaker 1: When the kids come out of school, I don't want you.
Speaker 1: I don't want you gone. And she did that until
Speaker 1: we were old enough to kind of see after ourselves.
Speaker 1: But I really kind of learned a lot from them,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad at all I saw that. Because my
Speaker 1: parents were so young. My my dad's might say, yah,
Speaker 1: y'all really was good at was sucking and fighting, that's
Speaker 1: what y'all did. But my grandparents, I got a chance
Speaker 1: to see two people statement, but beyond the stability. I
Speaker 1: got the chance to see people tease each other, disagree
Speaker 1: with each other, but love each other every night, you know,
Speaker 1: love each other. And they were united, you know. Whatever
Speaker 1: you asked, my grandfather wasn't talk to my wife about
Speaker 1: it first, even if he had his mind made up.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm just gonna tell the hey, this
Speaker 1: what I decided. You were never gonna get them, you know, ununified.
Speaker 1: And I've tried to model my own life and marriage
Speaker 1: has that. I tried my wife like this wee Sunday.
Speaker 1: I tried when the music coming to play, nine years old,
Speaker 1: sat Boys run DM seed cool Ruky not what you know.
Speaker 1: I'm fat. I'll talk on man, Man, I remember, man,
Speaker 1: I missed the fat human man. I saw a little
Speaker 1: I couldn't break that. I couldn't figure out the back spin.
Speaker 1: I was like, fun, this ship I ain't rerun, so
Speaker 1: I said, man, I could probably do that cool rock
Speaker 1: ski though, but when I've seen running, I've seen run.
Speaker 1: Don see though, man black down them suits which which
Speaker 1: run the jewels. We rocked them black denim suits and
Speaker 1: I'm chained and they looked like like what I was
Speaker 1: liking outside. I was like, that's it. That that was it,
Speaker 1: and just the whole depth day and run with what
Speaker 1: they was able to do. When they wrote out l
Speaker 1: cool man curse blowing stuff, I looked at like my
Speaker 1: mom stuff, so like all the Pepper curse blow Hudini
Speaker 1: my mom was. She was like she was a hustle
Speaker 1: like her home girls, the fly girls. She listened that.
Speaker 1: But when it came to light, just that stuff that
Speaker 1: was that ain't ohay. He was hitting there withssy. That
Speaker 1: was just like, man, it's me. And then when I
Speaker 1: heard six in the morning, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: like I six in the morning police had my door
Speaker 1: Freshda squeaking across the bathroom floor out my back windows
Speaker 1: where I made my skate, when I was like the
Speaker 1: funk like it was a movie and end up of
Speaker 1: course iced T and then when I heard a Cube
Speaker 1: and then the greatest rapper all times, scar Face when
Speaker 1: I heard Brad Jordan's changed, like like what he encompasses
Speaker 1: is an MC is so underappreciated in terms of he's
Speaker 1: had a year Chris has eight seven and never dropped
Speaker 1: the Wag album, Like not even debatable. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When you are in scarface, you are in
Speaker 1: scarface against Scarface. I've argued with scar Face about what
Speaker 1: is his most classic album. We argued over that, like
Speaker 1: he said, you know one work and I'm like, no
Speaker 1: funk that you got this recketivity, laughing, like how are
Speaker 1: you gonna he's I'm a fan, but what he what
Speaker 1: he was able to do. I used to battle tapes,
Speaker 1: me and my me and my boy mark Man and
Speaker 1: Rico and Kim just to listen to the j Prince
Speaker 1: and trolls five times the rest of the tape place
Speaker 1: the wisdom he was getting, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So as a kid just hip hop at nine years old,
Speaker 1: I got turned on to it. By time I was
Speaker 1: too I turned out it was it was what I
Speaker 1: was about. I was gonna be a rapper. I was
Speaker 1: gonna figure that out. Yeah, me being from Texas to
Speaker 1: I know how important scar faces not telling me so
Speaker 1: to the rap culture, but to us, you know, he
Speaker 1: definitely the guard you know, the Golden Port in Texas.
Speaker 1: I mean as far as rapping. So many rappers that
Speaker 1: come up now to to this day that's way younger
Speaker 1: than him. If you asked them who was the man
Speaker 1: in Houston, They're all gonna praise one first. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Brad Jordan, And now you're going to
Speaker 1: listen to all your top the people you call your
Speaker 1: goats have all nodded to him. It's nodded to him.
Speaker 1: Drey and Big dalcast and added to jay Z is
Speaker 1: not a to him, like like man the stuff him
Speaker 1: Ja and bean Z Like. I think that that every
Speaker 1: generation should always be reminded to go back and listen
Speaker 1: to Brad the same way you may know col Trane,
Speaker 1: but you have to be reminded sometimes go back and
Speaker 1: listening to that love of Supreme so you really understand
Speaker 1: like what jazz can do. You know, go back and
Speaker 1: listen to someone. These moms go back and go back
Speaker 1: and remember that it's a culture. It's not just the moment.
Speaker 1: It's not just hot now. There is literally a culture.
Speaker 1: Boy Meets a Girl man that that record. My wife,
Speaker 1: me and her ride sometimes and she plays it like
Speaker 1: we ride sometimes we're writing her beans we play. We'll
Speaker 1: play on some Sinatra, we'll play some Dean, you know,
Speaker 1: we'll play something that we we played, trying to play
Speaker 1: some alternative stuff besides just what you're hearing on radio
Speaker 1: or what even I'm doing. And she'll always on the
Speaker 1: ride back play that Boy Meets Girls, essentially about a
Speaker 1: strip on the deep one talking about cocaine and heir man.
Speaker 1: But it's such a beautiful story, Shakespearean like the way
Speaker 1: he tells it, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 1: I think this as an mc man, he's he's like
Speaker 1: high art and fine literature even musically what he's on
Speaker 1: in terms of producing, in terms of you know, we
Speaker 1: know Mike Dean and many of us for the sound.
Speaker 1: He's helped Kanye Cray, Mike Dean. Also the co craft
Speaker 1: of that corner stone with that rapp list sound was
Speaker 1: when he and Face when they're doing together. So you
Speaker 1: even hearing face. In my opinion, you know his his
Speaker 1: reaching going even beyond lyricism and it's just producing and sound. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got a two or three songs with him. That's fun,
Speaker 1: Like maybe two days in studio with him just picking
Speaker 1: his brain. And then we shot the video. And when
Speaker 1: we shot the video by the Donald Sterling, it's face
Speaker 1: so nobody want to speak by the time, but he
Speaker 1: pulled it out. We're gonna do it. You're back to player.
Speaker 1: We're gonna speak on it. But he dope. Man, don't
Speaker 1: you touched on earlier about attending more House. What was
Speaker 1: that experience like? And hel come it didn't last that long.
Speaker 1: I was the most beautiful, beautiful, beautiful time in my life.
Speaker 1: Man on a Bassador andrewyan Form, Mayor of Atlanta, man
Speaker 1: creating in scholarship to me here and then all I
Speaker 1: had to do was read his autobiography and get inspired
Speaker 1: by and I did it, told him what I thought
Speaker 1: about it, and he and his former wife on his
Speaker 1: current wife's Carol. His former wife is um She the
Speaker 1: late Jean child Young who taught my mother and mentor
Speaker 1: me and was just an amazing human being. As as
Speaker 1: his andy. They made sure I got him more house
Speaker 1: um nat and working my butt off and getting my
Speaker 1: grays up. My founier year high school and I met
Speaker 1: the Ceel Reddick there, who's half of the Peat Buddies
Speaker 1: who produced Kryptonite, who introduced me the Big Boys. I
Speaker 1: was supposed to be there, you know. I met friends
Speaker 1: I've had for life there. But I knew after the
Speaker 1: first year that I was like, this is not what
Speaker 1: I want to do. Not that I didn't want to
Speaker 1: graduate more because I promised with my grandmother I would
Speaker 1: and I still am, but I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: want to be doing this now. I really want to
Speaker 1: be in the music industry. There was so much opportunity
Speaker 1: growing in Atlanta at that time. You got Eric Sermon
Speaker 1: down there who tang like. I had a store down there, too,
Speaker 1: Short was living. It was just opportunity was everywhere, just
Speaker 1: so I was like, man, I'd rather go about the
Speaker 1: beings and figure it out. The dumbest decision I could have,
Speaker 1: I ended up getting a record of the same yea
Speaker 1: I would have graduated, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: I encourage your brothers, and if you're in there just
Speaker 1: sticking there, you know, and if you can't get in
Speaker 1: there yet, just go to trade school, spending may teen
Speaker 1: months in there, come out making top dollar and still go.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But I just, um, I
Speaker 1: really dropped the ball and making that decision. But you
Speaker 1: know I'm stubborn this ship. So once I made a decision,
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna quickly. Yeah, I wasn't gonna let nobody
Speaker 1: to tell on my grandmama. I told you so. Now.
Speaker 1: So she got a chance to call all her friends
Speaker 1: and said, I told you so, and so you see
Speaker 1: my baby. He got a grammy baby he got You
Speaker 1: can come see it if you want to, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That made me feel good, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, because I know she called some ship
Speaker 1: for that one. From definitely first impression of big boy
Speaker 1: and man these names rich they had, Alexis Man, he
Speaker 1: had Alexis got there rut that all I don't want
Speaker 1: d D had a cat like first we had like
Speaker 1: a land cruiser or some ship. Don't he have nickels
Speaker 1: wearing the fucking Jordan's like niggas one just these niggas
Speaker 1: rich man, like God, damn these niggad rich. But you
Speaker 1: know getting it. I really, man, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what I really when I really my thoughts are like
Speaker 1: Dre was. Dre was arts as fun, he was kind,
Speaker 1: he was humble, He's very intuitive. He was a good
Speaker 1: person in his intent, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: you could you could tell he was like an only child.
Speaker 1: So he went with two munch of all the hanging
Speaker 1: ship like he would hang out. But then he'll be
Speaker 1: like Batman, he'll fading out, he'll goes out of sithing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you ended up being
Speaker 1: around big in terms of studio and business more and
Speaker 1: you gotta I got a chance to see, like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: this is what it's like to be young and lead,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like because he he had
Speaker 1: an opportunity to lead, and he stepped up in terms
Speaker 1: of business. He got business I think before a lot
Speaker 1: of us did. And was it was a dog kunnel
Speaker 1: or now having trailers for movie production and stuff. I
Speaker 1: was always impressed with his maturity from a business standpoint.
Speaker 1: Both of them were genius. His money because Trey's mother
Speaker 1: goblins and dead and Sharon Benjamin was just an incredible woman.
Speaker 1: And you know it took one mishout or some tax stuff,
Speaker 1: and they they both tell the story going on the run,
Speaker 1: getting that money up on you know, and never you know,
Speaker 1: falling um in a rearge of any type. And it
Speaker 1: was because Trey's mom was just a genius about making
Speaker 1: sure that business were taken care of and I watched
Speaker 1: her to do that, and I watched big when you
Speaker 1: went to a hell of a businessman. So I've always
Speaker 1: been It's like Jamal Mashburn, like a lot of people
Speaker 1: can play basketball, a lot of people made a lot
Speaker 1: of money, but Jamal, watching his interviews, seemed to have
Speaker 1: called early that there this is gonna end one day,
Speaker 1: and I should be playing some seeds right now that
Speaker 1: are gonna grow. So I've always been impressed by that.
Speaker 1: And from an artistic standpoint, just outc asks as a
Speaker 1: collective man, I've always been impressing. I've used it in
Speaker 1: terms of being a member around the Jewls with don't
Speaker 1: let ship define you, like I remember Bunning calling me
Speaker 1: telling me one day, like the beauty of what y'all
Speaker 1: boys have is is undefinable, So do whatever the fun
Speaker 1: y'all want. Y'all ain't got to be locked in the sound.
Speaker 1: And that's what I learned from watching Trey and Big together.
Speaker 1: And I got a chance to watch them together from
Speaker 1: e t Elliens forward and and and seeing the way
Speaker 1: they worked. It's just been amazing. And I'm like everybody else,
Speaker 1: like I want to see Outcasts tour like the rollers
Speaker 1: dollars for the next thirty or forty yells and so
Speaker 1: I want to be able to take my kids the
Speaker 1: Outcast concert. I pray. All you can do is as
Speaker 1: a fan. I hope they did it for us a
Speaker 1: few years ago. So you know, maybe again Big Big
Speaker 1: not just doing dogs. He got alls now, yeah he
Speaker 1: got he got I think he got tigers. Um, he
Speaker 1: got like eighty thousand all of French bulldogs. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: like he was here. Let's see it. Seeing ahead of
Speaker 1: the curb around the corner is an understatement, especially, yeah,
Speaker 1: eighty thousand all the dolls I paid it, thou all
Speaker 1: they better have a motor, you know, yeah, for free
Speaker 1: the whole world. You want to grant me for that?
Speaker 1: How did your life change after? That? Took some anxiety off,
Speaker 1: Like if I'm ever win one, because I want one,
Speaker 1: and I know I wrapped my ass off, like that's
Speaker 1: my type. Like if I've just been like on in
Speaker 1: the background, Oh you know what I'm saying now, I wrapped,
Speaker 1: I still it off my mother. I was in the game,
Speaker 1: so but I want more. Man, I didn't run the
Speaker 1: Jewels deserved, So that's that's my focus now, Like has
Speaker 1: run the Jewels, you know, it's killing Mike. What am
Speaker 1: I gonna do? But that decision to stay in the
Speaker 1: studio that and that night showed me anything as possible.
Speaker 1: When you went to work, everybody was went to the
Speaker 1: strip club, I think I think everybody was hanging out,
Speaker 1: and Big was like, um, you might want to hang
Speaker 1: around and see about getting on Nelson because I seen
Speaker 1: somebody else was scheduled to get on it. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: give or something. And I hung around. I dropped the
Speaker 1: first and when when they came back, they told me
Speaker 1: they was keeping it and something else is supposed to
Speaker 1: be the single. And then they called and told me
Speaker 1: it was gonna be the single. When Brian Barber shouts
Speaker 1: out to Brian shot the video and life haven't been
Speaker 1: the same since. And I can say with the ups
Speaker 1: and the downs, you know, I've always there's always been
Speaker 1: somebody at the front of a restaurant that remembered the video.
Speaker 1: They're like me and you know so well. I was
Speaker 1: up a dial Yah. You had a chance to be
Speaker 1: on Blueprint too with j C. How was working? How
Speaker 1: was it working with old Man? I can honestly say
Speaker 1: I love of God Man whole solid as they come
Speaker 1: in terms of the times I've dealt with him because
Speaker 1: I appreciate the way he's dealt with me. He's never
Speaker 1: dealt with me as over. You've never been kind of sending.
Speaker 1: I remember after we did the verses on the Blueprint.
Speaker 1: I remember he called being on the bus sage, I
Speaker 1: want you to jump on this record with me, and
Speaker 1: Big said, well, you don't know if Drada he said, no,
Speaker 1: I want you on the young boy you got over
Speaker 1: that might do something. So I was like I heard.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh ship. I just went to the
Speaker 1: whatever the flip thing was at the time I just
Speaker 1: started writing. You know, that was when I still wrote
Speaker 1: the verse is probably double that. I just used the
Speaker 1: sex and Night had and Shantadas took me up to
Speaker 1: meet and chopped it up. Wouldn't want me to the
Speaker 1: studio chopped up, and I was like, I got the bird.
Speaker 1: I dropped it. When I get back to Atlanta. Did
Speaker 1: In in Atlanta popped up It's on there. But we
Speaker 1: were in MTV and I've seen him coming a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of people around him, you know, and he's not
Speaker 1: like you know, fans stuff, just the people in the
Speaker 1: office fanning out like it's hold in the building. And
Speaker 1: I was just learning a while, I don't want to ball,
Speaker 1: and he said, oh, you ain't gonna speak to me,
Speaker 1: and I'll put you on my record and everything. One
Speaker 1: of the funniest moments of my life. Man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because you know, I would imagine it's
Speaker 1: like a vet when you were rookie. You know what
Speaker 1: you're coming out of You're gonna talk to you. I
Speaker 1: was just overcome with with with you know, with with
Speaker 1: graciousness for him. He's always been like that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I just I like hold of
Speaker 1: a lot. I really respect him a lot. I respect
Speaker 1: I respect the inspiration he's given other people to become business.
Speaker 1: After winning a Grammy working with Hole, you dropped your
Speaker 1: studio Albumster in two thousand three. When you dropped the album,
Speaker 1: you feel like you had already made it. No no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, because this isn't you know. I went old,
Speaker 1: this is in the air on people selling Timillion record.
Speaker 1: I had flopped. But that's what a guy named David
Speaker 1: the Globia records tell me about the profit and laws.
Speaker 1: She showed me that I had actually profited, and Bunna
Speaker 1: hit me and say, that's a good thing. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the law section. It was the
Speaker 1: labor the alley it this way. So bunn really walked
Speaker 1: me through a few years of trying to end deciphon
Speaker 1: this to it. I want to stay on a major label?
Speaker 1: Do I want to? So by the time he came around,
Speaker 1: I think Virgin made an offer winch Ams over there.
Speaker 1: I walked away from the offer. I think they was
Speaker 1: offering me like a hundred and twenty thousand all advanced
Speaker 1: and a charger at the time or something right, And
Speaker 1: I think I pressed the line on about the charge
Speaker 1: to get a nigga call to you the lead with
Speaker 1: the boy gotta got a call, you know, sound like
Speaker 1: trying like I've seen the other lead. But they did it.
Speaker 1: But I really didn't want the deal. And I remember
Speaker 1: Bear coming to me every day like Mike and they
Speaker 1: offering you, like, you know, they put another third or
Speaker 1: fourth on what they was on for you listen, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I just didn't want it. And I
Speaker 1: was like, I think I'll do better doing it this
Speaker 1: other way. Now, I didn't know the other way it
Speaker 1: was gonna turn into the lyard. She was a fucking Greek,
Speaker 1: fucking illage, you know. Just I didn't know I was
Speaker 1: gonna lose people to death. I didn't know one of
Speaker 1: the first grind time producers gonna get life in prison.
Speaker 1: You know. I didn't know that friends was gonna show
Speaker 1: themselves to be folds. I don't know I was gonna
Speaker 1: lose you know, I fall out with my friends who
Speaker 1: had changed my life with a record deal and take
Speaker 1: years to me. I didn't know all that. Like, but
Speaker 1: I can say coming out the other side and the
Speaker 1: opportunity to repair those friendships, get an opportunity to grow
Speaker 1: as a leader, to to grow beyond what you think
Speaker 1: abouts is, to really bet on myself and win, and that,
Speaker 1: you know, to have the pleasure to tell him, you know,
Speaker 1: one of my trusted attorneys and my friend who says, man,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe you walked away from hunting and saying saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about what I get on the date. Then I'm like,
Speaker 1: so I turned away from a show him being proud
Speaker 1: of saying I'm glad you had afforded to to do
Speaker 1: it because it's scary. Man. You know it's scary and
Speaker 1: it's not all you know. I'm not one to say
Speaker 1: the labels are bag. I heard gonna say something incredibly
Speaker 1: intelligent man, and he's a smart kid, but you get
Speaker 1: sold so so used to just handle jam Is. It's
Speaker 1: a pleasure for me to see him do interviews because
Speaker 1: he's a brilliant kid. Him thug savage, like brilliant kids Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll be so busy jam and you don't really
Speaker 1: realize you're listening to a brilliant mind too. But Donal
Speaker 1: was like, man, you look at the label when you're
Speaker 1: talking to Lebron, it's like you're looking at like a
Speaker 1: partnership that's taking a risk on YouTube. And now the
Speaker 1: artists have gotten more savvy in terms of getting their
Speaker 1: masters back and things of their nature. Now lawyers are
Speaker 1: bullying up for that. But with on Lebron said, you know,
Speaker 1: you come to the rookie, you take the work of contracts,
Speaker 1: say it after them three years you will make him dump.
Speaker 1: You were in dunk truck. And that's that's that's the
Speaker 1: type of certain type of confidence in yourself, you know.
Speaker 1: And I had that confidence again. I didn't know what
Speaker 1: was gonna take for years or two, but man, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't trade it because of the wisdom of my game.
Speaker 1: And on the other side of the person than human being,
Speaker 1: I am is it's much more stable with what I
Speaker 1: have than I would have been at that time. Where
Speaker 1: did your love music come from? Whould like do? Who?
Speaker 1: Did you autilize you face? Terms of I wanted to
Speaker 1: be chante in terms of my love for music, though
Speaker 1: that's just come from being Southern mina grandmother would take
Speaker 1: us to these small and Pentecostal churches. Ain't got no
Speaker 1: ac condition. But the rhythm sections, the same hym section
Speaker 1: that were playing in the club the night before, you know,
Speaker 1: the same folks is playing at the gambul And house.
Speaker 1: Your grandfather got you here with the shot house. So
Speaker 1: I fell in love with blues and gospel first because
Speaker 1: that's what I heard, because that's what they played. And
Speaker 1: then I fell in love past blues and gospel. I
Speaker 1: started listening like Big Man Chance things of that nature.
Speaker 1: But my mom when my mom left, when my grandmother,
Speaker 1: I'm living with my grandmother, and my mom left me
Speaker 1: a record collection like Curtis Mayfield, Osley Brothers, you know,
Speaker 1: Schaft sound track, Superflies. She just left and she just
Speaker 1: showed me, you know how how to put it on.
Speaker 1: And I just sit in the dark room and just listen,
Speaker 1: listen and still do. So, you know, music is it's
Speaker 1: just in my bones, just what it's what you do,
Speaker 1: whether you're cleaning up, whether you're getting around, moving around,
Speaker 1: you know. Just usually if I get up the first
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play some gospel of some blues and we
Speaker 1: get the rap by now Jack got to shoot him up,
Speaker 1: Bang bang, going to six G K yes t G.
Speaker 1: That's gospel. I mean blues. I've been get to my
Speaker 1: pimp you I live, YEA know about PIMPC Then, man,
Speaker 1: how we call with the name killer Mike, I did
Speaker 1: the name giving me. I would have been like fly
Speaker 1: fat Boy. I was battle rapping and dude ain't double
Speaker 1: d stood up after I went through about like ten
Speaker 1: of them dudes. Just like man, these kids are killing
Speaker 1: say Mike's a killer, and then next week I can't
Speaker 1: kill at New York, dudes called me killer killer Mike.
Speaker 1: That was it. I've been obviously, I figured I earned it,
Speaker 1: so you might as keep it. Yeah, it's not who
Speaker 1: is double D? Double D's a DJ, some famous DJA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all about that. Yeah. Then ran through all the
Speaker 1: strip clubs and then lit them up. Man being one
Speaker 1: of the most famous names DJ in the last thirty
Speaker 1: years in that city. We got great DJ from funky DJ,
Speaker 1: Cutt Matter Swift whose outcast official DJs my home. What
Speaker 1: we got Man? We got two many name DJ who
Speaker 1: created with t I b High but tumping t I
Speaker 1: created the trap scenes. The DJ is very important from
Speaker 1: old Miami culture of course, Memphis culture of course, DJ
Speaker 1: screw Houston culture, texts culture like the DJ is still
Speaker 1: very important in the South. Street Man, come on with
Speaker 1: the legend my friend, my real friend Street to call
Speaker 1: you at five in the morning to give your life advice.
Speaker 1: Fishing Man, rest in peace. Yeah, I'm glad I sent
Speaker 1: him that verse Man back in December when he wanted it. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what pushed you to joint Tan Grand Hustle? No way,
Speaker 1: that's my friend, Man, and I just you know how
Speaker 1: you been on your your asked for a minute, you
Speaker 1: start to get up. You're like, man, if I could
Speaker 1: scale up a little bit, I can do a little better.
Speaker 1: So him and Jason g I just asked, manuse do
Speaker 1: some distribution through y'all. I need some help. And Man,
Speaker 1: I remember telling to like, man, I wish I did
Speaker 1: this ship a few years ago, and he was like, shoot,
Speaker 1: all you had to do was asks. And that's really
Speaker 1: what I started to really understand that you have advocans
Speaker 1: and the allies in the closed mouth don't get fans.
Speaker 1: So if you need something and you know you can
Speaker 1: do the job, just as you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And and Tip has been a friend over twenty years
Speaker 1: at this point, but that really taught me, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, if you need man actual friends. How
Speaker 1: cool is it to get your pistol on your fist
Speaker 1: gesture in the Marvel Comics art talk about that? He said,
Speaker 1: I laughed forever twelve years old. Man, I believe in
Speaker 1: keeping that Twitter. You know that twelve thirteen. I'm sure
Speaker 1: at one point you didn't know if you like basketball, toys, girls,
Speaker 1: comic but you know what the funk you like the
Speaker 1: most You're just like all these things like my fire,
Speaker 1: So really for it with the comics is like that
Speaker 1: for me, for me like to be featured man and
Speaker 1: there for like, get the funk out of here. Man,
Speaker 1: it's like you want to go back and here the
Speaker 1: twelve you eight, all this ship canna work out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the girl with the big teed you're gonna marry her.
Speaker 1: The comic you're gonna be an. So it's just a
Speaker 1: twelve y'all happy. Yeah, you touched out a little bit more,
Speaker 1: But I want to elaborate. You talked about going on
Speaker 1: tour with Rage and me will start wind Man. That
Speaker 1: starts we out of here in June. Okay. Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go over to London, I think, do ten eleven
Speaker 1: dates over there and in Europe, and then come back
Speaker 1: over here, take the continual the United States by Storm,
Speaker 1: take a break in the winter, then get back on
Speaker 1: there and go through next April to be a whole year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beautiful and thank man, Thank Rage Man. You know, they
Speaker 1: one of the greatest bands in the world, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it's it's comparable to someone saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all going out and opening prob it's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 1: I was put in the position with Georgie, with George Floyd,
Speaker 1: I had no idea what I was doing. I wasn't
Speaker 1: educated or nothing. But you you one of those people
Speaker 1: that I look up to that's always been educated. Always
Speaker 1: your mind. But the disition between when you speak, you
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I just I just admired you from that standpoint. I
Speaker 1: want to know what was going through your mind doing
Speaker 1: that whole process. You ain't ever met me, but we
Speaker 1: have text before, the publicist before and you gave me
Speaker 1: some some great advice. But what was going through your
Speaker 1: mind in the whole time again again again, you know,
Speaker 1: again and again and again. You know it's first of all, man,
Speaker 1: I think we just I just want to appreciate you
Speaker 1: for your transparency to the process. I want to appreciate
Speaker 1: you for being willing to stand because you know, people
Speaker 1: think a lot of times because you don't speak a
Speaker 1: certain way, or you don't know a certain thing, or
Speaker 1: you haven't come up through certain channels, you don't have
Speaker 1: the right to family. Blu Hamer wasn't taught to speak
Speaker 1: in college, But you don't know you know Google Fanily.
Speaker 1: You know Reverend James Orange, who's my personal friend and
Speaker 1: taught me to organize. Who was played by the brother
Speaker 1: olmartin the movie Selman. You know it's who talking persons
Speaker 1: student the stock Can taught me to organize. You know,
Speaker 1: brother was a brilliant brother man, was a statesman, a
Speaker 1: spoken but was salt of the earth Alabama. And I
Speaker 1: just say that because you have people like Testling Figura
Speaker 1: out there that are working their ass off. She's right
Speaker 1: down there in Houston right now. You know, she's Air
Speaker 1: Force trained, veteran, yet big and and and and she's
Speaker 1: solid to earth and speaking educated. You know, she can
Speaker 1: talk up or down. How many you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: You know, but the brother Cronk is doing this thing,
Speaker 1: but testing them particularly um I look at because she's
Speaker 1: a person that we need to be surrounding. Like Debora
Speaker 1: in the Bible, we saw talking, she starts talking, we
Speaker 1: all need to be paying attention. We all need to
Speaker 1: be supporting her. Because the beautiful thing about brothers like
Speaker 1: you stepping up and bringing the capital you bring from
Speaker 1: being an admired athlete is if you look at this
Speaker 1: like wrong, you look at a movie like Gladiator. The
Speaker 1: people that are running us. So the people that are
Speaker 1: the Caesars and the senators. If you notice they closed,
Speaker 1: don't get there. They don't give a fuck, they don't
Speaker 1: They are an oligarch. Look that word up. In this country,
Speaker 1: we are the people in the stands cheering for you
Speaker 1: guys on the behalf of whatever nation state, kill them killing.
Speaker 1: We're in Texas killing, We're in Georgia, who runs the
Speaker 1: Southeast Conference? All that ship. But oftentimes the oligarchy of
Speaker 1: that class tries to get us to forget your individuality.
Speaker 1: You're just supposed to be beast in a in a
Speaker 1: member of a team that I'm cheering for blood for.
Speaker 1: But what you do, what Jim Brown, did you know
Speaker 1: what athletes do when they do this is they stand
Speaker 1: up and they bring the attention and focus to what
Speaker 1: needs to be focused on. And then what we have
Speaker 1: to do is what they did in the sixties, what
Speaker 1: they did as far back, is wrong, and what we
Speaker 1: should be suing now is that after we say our
Speaker 1: truth that this is wrong, something must be done about it.
Speaker 1: Past that motherfucker like a no. Look to people like
Speaker 1: Tesla because she has the facts, just the numbers, and
Speaker 1: she's gonna nail their motherfucking as of a cross, because
Speaker 1: that's what organizing is. You are a mobilizer. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be there. Your heart and conscious told you to
Speaker 1: be there, and you're doing the exact same thing that
Speaker 1: Dr King did when he had become so big he
Speaker 1: couldn't be there on a weekly meeting every week. That's
Speaker 1: what Snick was doing, That's what stokely called Michael John
Speaker 1: Lewis was doing. King was going around rallying and making
Speaker 1: sure bread was getting bread for the bread basket, making
Speaker 1: sure that numbers were up in other places. Still an organizing,
Speaker 1: but his part of it was the mobilization of getting
Speaker 1: people there. And that's what your presence does, that's what
Speaker 1: your voice does, and that's why we need more athletes
Speaker 1: to be properly informed by the people who do the
Speaker 1: work first. So get informed by your testlin is getting
Speaker 1: informed by your organizations that are doing the work. Then
Speaker 1: we know what our points are to say us as
Speaker 1: athletes and entertainers, we say that, and then we passed
Speaker 1: the by all like a no. Look that the people
Speaker 1: was supposed to be So I think you did an
Speaker 1: amazing job. And now I've always wanted to tell you
Speaker 1: that too. You know, you you don't you don't know.
Speaker 1: You brought a seriousness to it that didn't allow people
Speaker 1: throughout the South to bullshit and people paid attention, you know.
Speaker 1: And I say that because what we're from, we've seen
Speaker 1: that a lot more a lott than people. You know.
Speaker 1: That means that, that means a lot, bro Because like
Speaker 1: you know, Bunning bunts up said some of me, some
Speaker 1: important words. He's something in text before I went to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: He was like, everything you've been through builty for this moment,
Speaker 1: and he wanted to talk about brought uthor. He was
Speaker 1: talking about the brawl and everything. You know. So just
Speaker 1: to hear that from guys like, yeah, who, I look
Speaker 1: up to it and a lot absolutely what y'all well
Speaker 1: done man and everybody y'all follow testing figure on and
Speaker 1: she yeah, she don't take no, she don't say no.
Speaker 1: Super ship climbing, y'all need to get on here, y'alla.
Speaker 1: She was gonna get on boys podcast. She's yeah. On Instagram,
Speaker 1: you said you have you have you feel like you
Speaker 1: have to be politically active? Yeah, you say that because
Speaker 1: because politics affect now I pay top a lot of taxes.
Speaker 1: Don't we pay by having when we're making taxes? So yeah,
Speaker 1: already athletes make a hundred million dollars, Like then they
Speaker 1: can bring home fifty for himself. You started telling my child,
Speaker 1: I support ALAM. Yeah, so because my money pays My
Speaker 1: money pays for the suits. So I want to know
Speaker 1: what the fun is going on. And I mean that
Speaker 1: on a very local level. And you know, the best
Speaker 1: news I woke up to last week was to see
Speaker 1: the mayor of Andre Dickens, who's from my neighborhood. Um,
Speaker 1: that really was a ground swell that brought me over
Speaker 1: to support him. Brothers like Zach who got the restaurant
Speaker 1: Local Green down there. You know what my man Famou
Speaker 1: famous artists down their both friends was like, check this
Speaker 1: guy out. Already knew him and loved him as a
Speaker 1: city council person, got down with him. I was whiskasine
Speaker 1: at first, Casine got knocked out of primaries, gotten hind Andre,
Speaker 1: We got on bringing there. The first thing he was
Speaker 1: one of the first thing he was doing was taking
Speaker 1: care of parks and filling potholes, Like like, you don't
Speaker 1: know what that means to a neighborhood, that that really
Speaker 1: came out and for years had been acquired peaceful neighbor
Speaker 1: with all of a sudden potholes, handing up your grandmother's
Speaker 1: man on cousin with the rims man. But he started
Speaker 1: to fulfill the promise. You know, he started, and that's
Speaker 1: a very little thing, but he said he was gonna
Speaker 1: do it. That's a big thing, and he did it.
Speaker 1: You know, when I look at our Republican governor who
Speaker 1: appointed a Democrat over a committee that is specifically in
Speaker 1: charge of making sure that people who are getting out
Speaker 1: of prison have basic minimal needs so they're not increasing
Speaker 1: the recidivism rate, that program comes directly out of a
Speaker 1: black Democratic judge named Asha Jackson went to school of
Speaker 1: me Superior Superior Judge UM in the Cab County. That
Speaker 1: young woman created a program to direct people out of
Speaker 1: jail and through a system over nine or twelve months
Speaker 1: that put them back on a course for a solid life.
Speaker 1: Got picked up statewide because a Republican saw the value
Speaker 1: in it and appointed another black woman. You get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So for me, it's pragmatic because locally you're
Speaker 1: just making deals. You're trying to make it work. But
Speaker 1: to make sure the community gets something out of it.
Speaker 1: So for me, all politics is local. It's sex. See
Speaker 1: the argue of who the president was and who you
Speaker 1: think is racist and all that Trump as ship. But
Speaker 1: I'm from the South. We've dealt with a lot of races.
Speaker 1: You know, Linda Bade Johnson was act but in the
Speaker 1: South level, yeah exactly. I believe that locally that some
Speaker 1: things can be done that are that are gonna make
Speaker 1: places like Jackson, Mississippi, Birmingham, Alabama, Tampa, Florida. When you
Speaker 1: start what Jackson, Mississippi, Jacksonville, Florida, I think you can
Speaker 1: start seeing those places get more progressive and to become
Speaker 1: more equitable in terms of money. And I don't mean
Speaker 1: giving nobody no money. I mean giving us contracts. You know,
Speaker 1: if if if I don't tend tractor trailers, I can
Speaker 1: own a hunter tractor trailers. And if I can home
Speaker 1: the toun of tractor trailers, I can get the government
Speaker 1: contract and moves oranges up and down Florida's coast. And
Speaker 1: why shouldn't it be one of us. We don't lay
Speaker 1: it on the farms picking them. Our fathers taught us
Speaker 1: how to drive a truck. All we have to do
Speaker 1: is be organized enough to have a collective to say, now,
Speaker 1: if we make up this percentage of Florida, then these
Speaker 1: percentage of truck should behind us. In Georgia the thirty five.
Speaker 1: You know, we get less than two percent of the
Speaker 1: statewide contracts in Georgia. Now, in my lifetime, i'd like
Speaker 1: to see that move to somewhere between seven and a
Speaker 1: half of ten percent. But we gotta target those things too.
Speaker 1: You know, I put up something on my Instagram last week.
Speaker 1: It was a brick and mortar class. All the students
Speaker 1: and it were white. So that means we should be
Speaker 1: bringing back brick and mortar classes. We should be bringing
Speaker 1: back carpentry class and mechanical drafting to school's named out
Speaker 1: the book to Washington for school's named after Frederick Douglass.
Speaker 1: For school's named after CEO Harper. We have to start
Speaker 1: thinking that intent. When they talk about building infrastructure, they're
Speaker 1: talking about building highways, they're talking about refurbishing curves and
Speaker 1: talking about building roads. Your sons, and I'm talking to
Speaker 1: black people right now, can do this work. Look Jr.
Speaker 1: May not make the pros, but his strong ass can
Speaker 1: lay some concrets and he's gonna get paid a hundred
Speaker 1: thousands better for doing it. He's gonna still have be
Speaker 1: able to buy you that car. He's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to take here of them chilling he made because he
Speaker 1: looked like he's dressing like a dope boy. Even though
Speaker 1: you're going to drug. He's gonna be able to have
Speaker 1: a stable woman and in the house and married at
Speaker 1: Girlly had him. He is back, but he's only gonna
Speaker 1: do it if we start make sure these boys in
Speaker 1: trade schools early six teen. I noticed the other day, Uh,
Speaker 1: I follow god name Mr Checkpoint and always the police.
Speaker 1: Good dude man talked to us a little bit about
Speaker 1: that because he had he was so proud when he
Speaker 1: had you. He posted what you said about him on
Speaker 1: his thought following this little crazy white white of caliphrazy.
Speaker 1: He's crazy at and I mean that in the best
Speaker 1: and it's I think maybe his honors grand on her
Speaker 1: grandmother would feed the meters when he was younger, though
Speaker 1: someone taught him justice early that. You know, citizens do
Speaker 1: non't matter what you think of your politicians government. It
Speaker 1: is always the government against you to some degree. Well, Mike,
Speaker 1: what do you mean by that? The government dude, any
Speaker 1: time you get a speeding ticket and they just said
Speaker 1: what you We're gonna charge you and pay you for that.
Speaker 1: That's not about saving lives and make you slow down.
Speaker 1: That's about adding additional taxes to your life. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: if we know you gotta part, do you want to
Speaker 1: stay building? If I gotta park, they go see us
Speaker 1: to my county commissioner, Why do I have to pay?
Speaker 1: I already pay taxes. And if you set up a
Speaker 1: punitive system that makes me have to pay a hundred
Speaker 1: bucks or twenty five bucks even because I didn't feed
Speaker 1: it with two dollars, you're making twenty three dollars off
Speaker 1: my mistakes. So someone in his life was a justice
Speaker 1: warrior and he has turned into one of epay proportions.
Speaker 1: He does everything from feed parking meters to ask police
Speaker 1: but why they don't have their video camerazon police of
Speaker 1: having to literally come up with counter ways. And this
Speaker 1: is me, you know, sitting here just like amazed that
Speaker 1: he's been able to cause this much routing, this with
Speaker 1: just a camera phone, but showing people how unjust the
Speaker 1: laws can be. Well not even just the police, the
Speaker 1: rule because a lot of times cops don't want you know,
Speaker 1: cops just got to write to smoke weed and something.
Speaker 1: I think you know a lot of cops that feel
Speaker 1: like locking things up. But if you got to make
Speaker 1: that quote to keep your job, you gotta make that
Speaker 1: quota to keep your job. So from for me, I
Speaker 1: see a lot of times it's less about the individual
Speaker 1: in the uniform and what the power of the uniform
Speaker 1: grants you that unif the states should fear the people
Speaker 1: and not the other way around. And right now we
Speaker 1: we we we got that turned around, especially in communities
Speaker 1: that look like shut up, Mr checkpoint and always always
Speaker 1: feel the police check him out. We shouted him out
Speaker 1: from the stage and shout two you running Glover and
Speaker 1: a former mayor, Andrew Young founded Greenwood, a banking system.
Speaker 1: Talked to us how that thought came about and where
Speaker 1: you guys currently are with the process when the cards
Speaker 1: are rolled out. So if you signed up, your car
Speaker 1: is gonna be coming soon, please use it. But in
Speaker 1: the fintech world, everybody's everything is coming here. Our kids
Speaker 1: listen to music here, my kids. You know it's PayPal,
Speaker 1: cash aft and the fintech thing. So Greenwood was a
Speaker 1: part of TOAs Oklahoma, where free blacks win. They built
Speaker 1: a thriving community themselves, and it was destroyed and encouraged
Speaker 1: the destruction by local menis path all these in government.
Speaker 1: And it was this bank, in the spirit of doing
Speaker 1: for self, created a platform with working class folks, be
Speaker 1: you black, Latino, poor, and working class white people. It
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity to have a real banking system
Speaker 1: in your hand, to have a real bank account. It's
Speaker 1: federally insured. It gives you an opportunity to build credit,
Speaker 1: gives you an opportunity. Um they're gonna roll out a
Speaker 1: loan system soon. And what it did was Andy went
Speaker 1: to India and he got a chance to see instead
Speaker 1: of getting paid paper, women get a card to be
Speaker 1: paid on, Whereas if they were cashing for paper, they
Speaker 1: would have punitive things. Jet cashing places you get charged.
Speaker 1: These women, because of the money they saved, were able
Speaker 1: to start saving silks, saving fabrics, making garments, just creating
Speaker 1: extra income for themselves and lifting themselves out of the
Speaker 1: dirt and wretched poverty. And this can happen here if
Speaker 1: check cashing places aren't literally swiping and taking, you have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to save, to put away money. You have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to single mother or young father, the head
Speaker 1: of a family, to start to build your credit, to
Speaker 1: start to look toward owner ship versus rental. So I
Speaker 1: just wanted to be a part of something that actually
Speaker 1: helped our people helped themselves. Because you can't save and
Speaker 1: charity us out of the whole we're in. There has
Speaker 1: to be some real economic interests and viability. That's why
Speaker 1: I believe in things like reparations. Whether it be when
Speaker 1: do we get them, I don't know, But until then,
Speaker 1: what I do know is you can reparate yourself by
Speaker 1: spending less than you earn, by focusing on by ownership,
Speaker 1: by not having children before you ready, by further in
Speaker 1: your education, be that college or trade school, and by
Speaker 1: partnering with other people so that you're not taking off
Speaker 1: the financial risk yourself. And that's just commons working kind
Speaker 1: of ship switching gears. Do you keep up with NBA? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I like it, but I've been on the run. Man,
Speaker 1: have we been rehearsing? I like my guys. I like
Speaker 1: the Hawks. How do you feel about trading hawks right now? Now?
Speaker 1: I like trail a lot, I like columns a lot
Speaker 1: as well, and they're gonna get out of this series.
Speaker 1: If we don't get out of this series, we're gonna
Speaker 1: come out wiser and come back stronger. You know. I
Speaker 1: think that all. I think that we're gonna become a
Speaker 1: better defensive team in the next couple of years. I
Speaker 1: think that I think that Atlanta hasn't had a true
Speaker 1: superstar um since Dominique. But I also would like to say, man,
Speaker 1: I want to tip my hat to a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of old Hawks from you know, Jamal just
Speaker 1: got out of there. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: man show it's amazing shots, amazing Atlantic and Hawk. So
Speaker 1: we've had some We've had a lot of people of
Speaker 1: good integrity. You know, Trade sound special, he's crazy, he
Speaker 1: can throw that thing from anywhere. He's Yeah, now I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree. We met trying to get the right small
Speaker 1: for the two card and it's gonna it's gonna go stupid.
Speaker 1: And so you do know you you do you know
Speaker 1: what you're talking about? Yeah, yeah, y'all, I'll just get
Speaker 1: high rounded. Yeah, you said Kobe is your favorite player?
Speaker 1: You have any Kobe stories? Okay, so we we till
Speaker 1: called me? He said, Hey, I said what's up? He say, fat, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm in the studio Kobe up here, Come come come
Speaker 1: meet him. I was like, hell, yeah, let's do it
Speaker 1: because everybody who knows we know, like I really, man,
Speaker 1: I really loved Kobe, you know, really, So I get
Speaker 1: my wife with me. Man, you know I'm very attractive
Speaker 1: white man. I married married a girl looked like man
Speaker 1: piece carrot cake. Man. I mean, no surgery needed. She
Speaker 1: came already sing right, you know what I mean. I
Speaker 1: know she liked tall nigger that can dunce. I had
Speaker 1: to hate you know what I'm saying. But listen, no man,
Speaker 1: especially so we were that. I asked the con I said,
Speaker 1: I say, I say, you say, dog hold him like
Speaker 1: who I got to watch? I say, dog, I've been
Speaker 1: I'm the dude in the room talking about he better,
Speaker 1: he better than anybody like on that dude to them
Speaker 1: and he said he's summon tells his kid on watching
Speaker 1: he said, he said he really thin. He's small though,
Speaker 1: if he can stay healthy. Now I'm for people, so
Speaker 1: call me on TV. He had on the cape and
Speaker 1: a mask. But I'm sure you got some tensities when
Speaker 1: you've seen him. He thin, like not frail, but just
Speaker 1: like man, I could not like yeah, like he was thin.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, who the fund is he talking about?
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at him and I'm really tripping that
Speaker 1: he's not huge. Yeah, And I'm thinking, so, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm this much of a fan that I'm read playing
Speaker 1: plays in my head like this motherfucker did that. And
Speaker 1: I'm a Trail s Freewell fan too. Down the Trail
Speaker 1: has some size making a movie, but I'm just like
Speaker 1: this stick up compared to a trade, he is not
Speaker 1: even that. And as on process and that he says,
Speaker 1: as this kid at Golden State, Steph Curry, m hm,
Speaker 1: And I said, who he says, Steph Curry. I saw
Speaker 1: the scene him player, I say, but he the one
Speaker 1: he said. I'm telling you he don't want all they
Speaker 1: gotta do. Stay here that day, start watching step He
Speaker 1: has never disappointed it. And that ship was like Yoda
Speaker 1: telling you about this kid, and ain't Luke. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, He's gonna Koby Man. Meeting Kobe was
Speaker 1: a big deal. And then when it was time to
Speaker 1: take pictures, met him, tipped meet him, tipping my wife
Speaker 1: just like my wife smiled a little too hard, I said,
Speaker 1: you know this, she read it like Lebrons, you don't.
Speaker 1: I hate it. I hate it like and she was pissed.
Speaker 1: So I was like, so heye, But that he was.
Speaker 1: He was man, he was he was such a you know,
Speaker 1: he was really you know, I just believe in heroes.
Speaker 1: I don't want to well it's comic books, parables and stuff.
Speaker 1: I believe in heroes. And Kobe really was a hero.
Speaker 1: He was a guy who, no matter what where you
Speaker 1: are on the Jordan debate, he had the audacity and
Speaker 1: the tenacity to want to be better than his master.
Speaker 1: Like when you think about that on some Kung Fu
Speaker 1: movie ship, you know, he wanted to be better than
Speaker 1: his master. That is that, you know, the type of
Speaker 1: self discipline like I'm still trying to have the dup
Speaker 1: discipline just to do it every day at the morning.
Speaker 1: But the self discipline it takes to want to be
Speaker 1: better than your idol, that's that's something. That's something you know,
Speaker 1: that's herculean ship. You know. When they asked m J
Speaker 1: about it, he said, the only person that can beat
Speaker 1: and probably Kovid. Yeah, still all his moves, you think,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I want my guys to win. Of course,
Speaker 1: I know it's a long shot, but you know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But you know what though, if my guys aren't in it,
Speaker 1: I do want to see I want to see Chris
Speaker 1: Paul Walker. I love Chris Man And yeah, I hate
Speaker 1: it when the leave blocked him from going out to
Speaker 1: play with Kobe. But I really think that he's he
Speaker 1: defines character, you know what I mean? So, yeah, like
Speaker 1: he is the point guard, you know, he makes the
Speaker 1: team better around him. He's clutched when he needs to be.
Speaker 1: And just like he reminds me of like when you
Speaker 1: watch those old tapes of Kareem and An interview or
Speaker 1: Jim an interview, just once he's done playing the character
Speaker 1: some man, great leader. Yeah, I really I really respect
Speaker 1: and I'd like to see him get one. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: on the board of the Homies in art I am
Speaker 1: talking about that. How did you come about man? Rand
Speaker 1: Suffolk who is the director and Mukol who's an amazing artist.
Speaker 1: They approached me about it three years ago and I
Speaker 1: agree that. And what was amazing is I came out
Speaker 1: of Frederick U those high schools Arts and Talent program.
Speaker 1: Little y'ally's father is a photographer who also comes out
Speaker 1: of that program. Little John's person who comes out of
Speaker 1: the arts program, arts program, you know. So it's like
Speaker 1: it's a it's a big deal because all our teachers
Speaker 1: wanted to us to find something we can attach to
Speaker 1: and take us all the way, you know. So getting
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be on the education board, not only
Speaker 1: just on the board, but on the committee that specifically
Speaker 1: deals with education to make sure that a museum and
Speaker 1: a major metropolitan city that has an over fifty percent
Speaker 1: African American participation ship stays like that in grows. It's
Speaker 1: just an amazing opportunity. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: you hear what rappers aren't doing from people complaining on
Speaker 1: a daily basis, But you know, I think that's something
Speaker 1: to be celebrated, you know. And not only am I
Speaker 1: on the board of the high I make sure my
Speaker 1: daughter gets to the Apex Museum and learns about African
Speaker 1: American coach and make sure when I'm in cities visiting,
Speaker 1: you know, we go to the museums. So I'm just
Speaker 1: a believer that the arts can inspire children. You know,
Speaker 1: if you want a cheap date or great out in
Speaker 1: as a parent, go to the museum. You know, take
Speaker 1: your day to the museum. You don't tell us out
Speaker 1: let let let that currently we even the last should
Speaker 1: be seeing something. Artists again. Take the babies. There many
Speaker 1: grass grass on hot wing. He's out the words, sir,
Speaker 1: you collect hot wheels. I do love the must the cars. Hello, Hello,
Speaker 1: a death story. I just made my grandma. I remember
Speaker 1: she was taking to kmart when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and if I ain't no food, I got a hot Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if I had the food, I gotta ask
Speaker 1: for him. So I figured the hot wheels was the
Speaker 1: easier way to go. But at my barber shop, when
Speaker 1: we first opened our shop on the south side of
Speaker 1: thirty sixty one Roseville Highway in Atlanta, the old shop,
Speaker 1: the prodect shop that had been there, hadn't left the
Speaker 1: best reputation, so when we were trying to attract new customers,
Speaker 1: I remember one day, just sitting there, me and the
Speaker 1: barber's I was like, man, I got an idea, say
Speaker 1: everybody give me ten dollars. I ran too, the like
Speaker 1: the dollar story, got hot wheels, and I said, all
Speaker 1: your kid customers when you cut the hair giving this
Speaker 1: at the end of the I said, the one dollar investment,
Speaker 1: it's gonna bring you nilars every time, and after that
Speaker 1: it's just are flourishing, start growing, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I love real muscle cars. So you know, I put
Speaker 1: my cars in front of my shops. I just bought
Speaker 1: about thirty thousand square foot house space. We're probably do
Speaker 1: something cool in the car world with that, you know,
Speaker 1: with its villains. So you know, I just I mean,
Speaker 1: I love cars. I love going fast. Um not teen
Speaker 1: seven put g n x is is one of the ones.
Speaker 1: It's called to me and all the car Now you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have one before I get out of here.
Speaker 1: And I think I'm gonna finding by myself a demon
Speaker 1: this year. Like I was thinking the other night. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I could die. The kids didn't Want'm
Speaker 1: gonna spend all this goddamn and I still ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be Then got my demon opening the restaurant. Yeah, bank
Speaker 1: Head seafood Man, fifty year old restaurant. It was the
Speaker 1: oldest restaurant on that strip or bank Head. Miss Helen
Speaker 1: Harden owned it from Mount Olive Baptist Church. Shouts out
Speaker 1: to Miss Harden and we bought it till called me
Speaker 1: like I said, you said, we want to do something together,
Speaker 1: let's do it. We got it. We don't went through
Speaker 1: a lot of ups and downs getting cleared. We don't
Speaker 1: went through a lot of fights. But man, it's coming
Speaker 1: and I'm proud of us. You know. See, I've been
Speaker 1: in the Lanta a long time. See it's hollow way on.
Speaker 1: I've been out of that projects and all that knocked down.
Speaker 1: Now you know what I mean. You gotta be from
Speaker 1: the eight you do. Now we call some help to
Speaker 1: I want to tell athletes and entertainers man like, and
Speaker 1: the lawyers out there, and you know in the cities
Speaker 1: that we need to start sitting down with some committees
Speaker 1: and figuring out your to me in cities, especially through
Speaker 1: the South, your athletes and entertainers should be looked at
Speaker 1: as a wave of potential business people and if we
Speaker 1: partner with them, then we have an opportunity to build
Speaker 1: business into communities and brands that are gonna be better.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of pushback from people who weren't
Speaker 1: legacy restaurants in the community. At some point um the
Speaker 1: legacy people, the people have been in fifty sixty years,
Speaker 1: were like, we're proud of y'all, like, like the community
Speaker 1: really arranged you guys, y'all doing this, And then we
Speaker 1: got some pushbacks some other places because of rappers, because
Speaker 1: of reputation, because of other things. And I just thought
Speaker 1: that was shameful because in in my opinion, when people
Speaker 1: are heroes from a from a local place, whether it's
Speaker 1: the athletes that are brought there to perform athletics or
Speaker 1: the people that grow out of there and perform music,
Speaker 1: if cities and private sector partner with these people and
Speaker 1: you create a business class and an economic class that
Speaker 1: creates jobs and creates more opportunity, you create stronger cities,
Speaker 1: You create strong economics. And I think that we have
Speaker 1: the potential again to create more Jamal mash Barns, more Magic,
Speaker 1: johnsins more Shaquille o'neils. And if we do that, we'll
Speaker 1: hear less stories of who lost it all, and we're
Speaker 1: less complaints of what rappers aren't doing. But that only
Speaker 1: happens when everybody buys into it and everybody does it.
Speaker 1: So you know, I want to challenge people to do
Speaker 1: with Atlanta is doing, because it seems to me that
Speaker 1: people in Atlanta are are cooperating in the way that
Speaker 1: Andrew Young wanted us to. He's doing an amazing job
Speaker 1: him ask him and his business partner Suit you know,
Speaker 1: shouts out of them, Jeezy, you know, you know, amazing jobs.
Speaker 1: So I'm just I'm just I'm happy to see you know,
Speaker 1: even if you look at man, what what Gucci has
Speaker 1: been able to do in terms of record deals people like,
Speaker 1: you know, people have been really really generous with the
Speaker 1: opportunity What what Thug has been able to do operative people,
Speaker 1: you know, and the people that that he's helping now
Speaker 1: opening and you know, babies opening restaurants. So for me, Man,
Speaker 1: I just want to see more and more on a
Speaker 1: plethora of that. And I want to see another seat.
Speaker 1: I want to see them because I want to see
Speaker 1: them Dallas, want to see them, want to see it
Speaker 1: in Austin, want to see it in places so that
Speaker 1: there's a whole new fifty year economy that's created around it.
Speaker 1: Like people see this side of the camera, there's three
Speaker 1: people talking who entertain y'all. On the other side of
Speaker 1: this campra that dozens of people that are making this happen.
Speaker 1: So that's a bigger economy. And I think that I
Speaker 1: think that when this country understands, especially when the African
Speaker 1: American community is strong economically, the entire country is stronger.
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's hard Achilles Hill. And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's getting better. But we never learned to do this.
Speaker 1: We've always been for fighting for ourselves and surviving, so
Speaker 1: we've never thought to come together together. We're so much stronger,
Speaker 1: so much stronger. They gotta do it, like you said,
Speaker 1: they gotta do it in the hometowns like where we're from.
Speaker 1: A perfect example Bun in Houston. They showed Bunn the
Speaker 1: love and Houston that pulled author should be showing him.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying for them for what he do.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And I think that's why
Speaker 1: people go elsewhere, because they get more love and appreciate
Speaker 1: from other places than where they come from. But but
Speaker 1: it's it's it's amazing because it comes back because Bunn
Speaker 1: is caught. He inspired you. You're inspiring someone. The legacy continue.
Speaker 1: You know, if you never if you don't have big
Speaker 1: Boy one half of out cash from Savannah, do you
Speaker 1: get camouflaged, get a growing you know, music scene and
Speaker 1: Savannay and so for me, man, I'm just I just say, man,
Speaker 1: if you escape in small towns in your mind, don't
Speaker 1: forget to go back and leave the expation. Don't forget that.
Speaker 1: Like Andrean James is one of my Euros forever because
Speaker 1: he has never left. He's always planning and inspired. Whether
Speaker 1: it was that he talked about the activity center he
Speaker 1: started three guys who playing the pros and now came
Speaker 1: through that center. You know, man, come on, man, that's
Speaker 1: that's his own private y m c A. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, that's a that's a beautiful thing. Well,
Speaker 1: Uncle Luke has been able to do with football and
Speaker 1: South Flora. Forget what he did, you know, we often
Speaker 1: forget what we did rather in terms protecting our First
Speaker 1: Amendment rights in the nineties, but the amount of young
Speaker 1: men whose life he's touched through athletics and just you know,
Speaker 1: and what athletics you had to be doing good in school,
Speaker 1: just making you incredible young men and me and fit
Speaker 1: to marry going out what Snoop has been able to do.
Speaker 1: So I just applaud this man, and I think the
Speaker 1: more we grow because we've only been free sixty years,
Speaker 1: I had sixty years of free so you know, when
Speaker 1: you think about that's not a very long time, you know,
Speaker 1: So don't let don't be too hard on ourselves. Let's
Speaker 1: support the things that we know we're gonna grow like viola,
Speaker 1: you know, and let's let's keep pushing shouts out down. Definitely, definitely, man,
Speaker 1: We appreciate your time. We've got a quick hitters, first
Speaker 1: team to come to mind and let us know. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you start. If you could be remembered
Speaker 1: by any bar a lyric that you ever dropped, what
Speaker 1: would it be if any man the first verse of
Speaker 1: untitled you were witnessing elegance in the form of a
Speaker 1: black elephant smoking white rhine on terrorists like slang like
Speaker 1: my king by terrorists? Will my woman be caretta take
Speaker 1: my name and cherish it? Or wish Jackie yell Trump
Speaker 1: to Kennedy remarry it? My sister say, is necessary on
Speaker 1: some clear patrickship. I tenued to agree because the thought
Speaker 1: is so disparaging. My grandmother says, no, never that exactly.
Speaker 1: Then I say, Then I say no, I tend to
Speaker 1: agree because the thought of so disparaging. The Lord, give
Speaker 1: a load you got to carry it like Mary did.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm giving honor to all these baby mamas.
Speaker 1: It takes a woman's wound that to make a christ
Speaker 1: of dollar Loma the world. I take the child, turn
Speaker 1: the challenge to a monster. The world had taken, I'd
Speaker 1: say the world might take the child turned the challenge
Speaker 1: to a monster. The lord to take a monster and
Speaker 1: fashion him a saint. I present you Malcolm X was
Speaker 1: older saying that he can't, saying that he won't when
Speaker 1: I know he will. But you usually don't know what
Speaker 1: you until you being killed. Real. That was my thoughts
Speaker 1: of what I thought Dr King would be thinking as
Speaker 1: he laid out down. That's tough. I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: on the spot right here. You guys have your own
Speaker 1: unique sound out there in Atlanta. Who is your round
Speaker 1: Mount Rushmore Ever letter artists, Oh black, it'll be. It'll
Speaker 1: be a hundred people on the when putting forehead the
Speaker 1: whole mountains like a big super faith. But I will
Speaker 1: say I'm honored to be on the arm on the
Speaker 1: cover that Slam magazine. But they put up something like
Speaker 1: a basketball team. They had me down there looking like
Speaker 1: powerful and I got a weight loss goal now including
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Speaker 1: from top to bottom, no skips excluding My Body of
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Speaker 1: He always says that are you Mine is on I
Speaker 1: would say a man made is potentially Yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: One quote you lived by man, do what you want
Speaker 1: to do because you're gonna wake up dead one day.
Speaker 1: Do what you wanna do because you're gonna wake up
Speaker 1: dead one day. Man. That's that's solid. Five dinner guests
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Speaker 1: some good free let's see drinks. Say that dead all live,
Speaker 1: I go, I go dr King, Frederick Douglas, Eugene Davis,
Speaker 1: Patrese from Mumba and Hurston. Three women at the table,
Speaker 1: Well Zoro Zoros. It was the only one. But I
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Speaker 1: listening to her and she wrote like her for Riddy
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Speaker 1: Last question, if you can see one guest on All
Speaker 1: the Smoke on the show, who would it be? But
Speaker 1: before you answer, you have to help us get your
Speaker 1: ass on the show. Oh man, I just called to
Speaker 1: your roman. Tell me need to do y'all show. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we need that. He's about to call him right now.
Speaker 1: You can't turn that down. Hey, so you don't get
Speaker 1: no realdy to kill Mike. Mike depicts the pall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do we call him right quick? You see, I gotta see.
Speaker 1: I mean he might be working. Tell tell Joe we
Speaker 1: did we did with Joe broken up sports podcast. Let's see,
Speaker 1: let's see, let's see you Joe come over here smoking joint.
Speaker 1: Willers talking about when he said niggah man, Joe didn't
Speaker 1: killed man working, damn Joe. So I can ask act.
Speaker 1: I love to see y'all talking, So I can ask
Speaker 1: me to say nigger, nigger? Which one did you say?
Speaker 1: Don't that I want to I want to say this far.
Speaker 1: I want to say this far. I'll be triguing, like
Speaker 1: because white folks ain't got that. We used to be
Speaker 1: taught that the turn cracker came from a whip cracker
Speaker 1: that black people made up. But we didn't make that up.
Speaker 1: Real white folks made up nigga and cracker. When I say,
Speaker 1: real white folksy a lot of folks. If you know
Speaker 1: about the landing, you know about cabbage Town. Cabbage Town,
Speaker 1: they gentrified, pody fled in the black neighborhoods. Cabbage towns
Speaker 1: are all white neighbors. I don't pull working class white folks.
Speaker 1: And the meals would bring them up and use them,
Speaker 1: pay them a meal, money, overcharged them at the store.
Speaker 1: They mean they didn't pay them in American money. They
Speaker 1: pay them in like a food stamp. So the first
Speaker 1: people to get gentrified and pushed out the city weren't
Speaker 1: even black. It was white, but it was poor. They
Speaker 1: put them out in, pushed them further down to Clayton
Speaker 1: counter places like that. But the term cracker comes from
Speaker 1: the master class in the South, these real white folks,
Speaker 1: the folks that was related to the folks they were
Speaker 1: breaking away from. So the people that first took the
Speaker 1: Thirteen Colleagues and ship, a lot of them was cousins
Speaker 1: the Royalty and ship. They just weren't high enough on
Speaker 1: the royalty ladder, so they were still against ship. And
Speaker 1: also they just found them another land to take. And
Speaker 1: we're falling off away from a military standpoint. Y'all got
Speaker 1: across this ocean, we got most sniper rifles because we
Speaker 1: are and funck y'all, you know what I mean, We
Speaker 1: took it. But crackers was a term given to those
Speaker 1: people who weren't cosmopolitan. They weren't very learned that with
Speaker 1: gypsy slights moved around. So white folks named y'all crackers,
Speaker 1: the same white folks that named us niggas. And the
Speaker 1: thing they had in common is they used cheap and
Speaker 1: free labor from niggas and crackers. And because niggas and
Speaker 1: cracker has been fighting so long from everywhere the South, Mississippi,
Speaker 1: East Alabama where's Georgia, Niggas and crackers predominantly have stayed
Speaker 1: poor in places like Mississippi, places like Alabama, and now
Speaker 1: the federal government and local municipalities fight over slave label.
Speaker 1: To see, you're gonna cut the grass for free, because
Speaker 1: niggas and crackers still fighting against one another. But we're
Speaker 1: both doing that fighting for the people that name us both.
Speaker 1: And that's the real white folks when they were all
Speaker 1: the planter class. So that's just for y'all, niggas and crackers.
Speaker 1: And know something, thank yall, Showtime Basketball, YouTube and the
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