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Speaker 5: Here we go, Hey guys, this is Cove.
Speaker 6: I was I was listening to the recent freak Broker's
Speaker 6: episode and you mentioned that your home insurance got canceled
Speaker 6: and a recent thing this happened to my father where
Speaker 6: they canceled his home insurance. He got a notice in
Speaker 6: the mail and when he called the question it, the
Speaker 6: lady told him that they flew had drone over his
Speaker 6: house and looked into his backyard and saw that there
Speaker 6: was a bunch of vehicles back there and other junk
Speaker 6: that he had stored. He lives on an acre. It
Speaker 6: made a deal with his cousin that he could throw
Speaker 6: some vehicles back there. It's not a lot, but anyway,
Speaker 6: so they canceled the insurance and then they also sent
Speaker 6: him a photo that they used Google. The reason they
Speaker 6: found out was they were checking Google Maps and they
Speaker 6: saw the aerial view from the satellite footage that showed
Speaker 6: a lot of the cars and things that were back there,
Speaker 6: and that's why they canceled the insurance. But I think
Speaker 6: is a very big invasion of privacy. And he had
Speaker 6: like it was state farm insurance, so not like some
Speaker 6: weird cheap insurance, and they said, oh, we have to
Speaker 6: get it all cleaned up before we'll allow you to
Speaker 6: restart your insurance. And so he's kind of trying to
Speaker 6: deal with that. But I don't know. I've heard other
Speaker 6: people mention it, and I've seen an article about it online.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys know about that. It's
Speaker 6: really weird, really big amazing of privacy, I think, because
Speaker 6: also I don't think he's had that insurances before drones
Speaker 6: are invent invented, so I don't know how they can
Speaker 6: hide that in the fine print. I don't know how
Speaker 6: they're getting away with that. Maybe something to look into.
Speaker 6: So for you, this message on there, if you want
Speaker 6: have a good day.
Speaker 5: You know, it was me who was talking about having
Speaker 5: my policy canceled, but it was just a bonehead.
Speaker 4: To move on my part.
Speaker 5: You just have to re up it and like have
Speaker 5: them reassess it and you know, make sure everything's correct
Speaker 5: or whatever, and then my mortgage company started a new
Speaker 5: policy for me that was more expensive, and I still
Speaker 5: have a dealt with that to get me back to
Speaker 5: a lower rate.
Speaker 4: But what, man, what our friend here is talking about.
Speaker 5: I can't that as Oh wow, I mean, I guess
Speaker 5: all bets are off now, guys.
Speaker 3: Huh, yeah, Matt, we talked about this a little bit
Speaker 3: off air. I think, what is What's something that really
Speaker 3: stood out to you about this?
Speaker 2: Just the fact that I have homeowners insurance and I'm
Speaker 2: nervous about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like if you had a trampoline or something,
Speaker 5: you know, and you said you didn't and they caught you,
Speaker 5: that could be a game.
Speaker 4: That could be a deal breaking.
Speaker 2: Well, when I first moved in, I think about the
Speaker 2: HOA required everybody in the neighborhood to pressure wash the
Speaker 2: sides of their houses because it was getting insightly round here, guys.
Speaker 2: And it's something that I did, and it was expensive.
Speaker 2: It wasn't cheap. It's expensive to have that kind of
Speaker 2: service done. And I was thinking about when I was
Speaker 2: first moving in, all of the junk that I moved
Speaker 2: out of the house, and some of it I kept
Speaker 2: stored kind of on the sides of the house before
Speaker 2: I knew exactly what to do with it, or I
Speaker 2: could you know, have the money to have some have
Speaker 2: somebody come out and take it to a junk yard
Speaker 2: or something. Well, yeah, I mean take.
Speaker 3: It to the freeport.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it was just trying to figure out, you know,
Speaker 2: budgeting and how and timing right, how to get things done.
Speaker 2: And if my home insurance company decided to fly a
Speaker 2: drone over at a time when I've got a bunch
Speaker 2: of junk what looks like, you know, refuse or hoarding
Speaker 2: outside of my house, they might think twice and do
Speaker 2: something take action like this, right, I think maybe everybody
Speaker 2: needs to think about that, including stuff like how old
Speaker 2: is your roof? Is there just a little bit of
Speaker 2: moss on your roof even though it's not that old,
Speaker 2: but some mosses growing. Is there anything that makes your
Speaker 2: house look like it could be in disrepair even if
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 3: Even if it's from a satellite.
Speaker 5: But there should be a transparency behind the criteria for
Speaker 5: making those kind of judgment calls, like you know, like
Speaker 5: if you you can't just cancel somebody's you could maybe
Speaker 5: get with that there's something up and then you send
Speaker 5: an inspector out to confirm and actually touch the tiles
Speaker 5: and gave me I don't think you should be I mean,
Speaker 5: that's just overkill, man.
Speaker 3: It is legislation. First off, Kbeza Devaka, we appreciate your time,
Speaker 3: and you're bringing up something that has been a mutual
Speaker 3: sort of fascination of this group for a little while now,
Speaker 3: and fascination that only grows the way this stuff is presented.
Speaker 3: To answer your question, is the calculus on the side
Speaker 3: of private insurance companies is that this is ultimately a
Speaker 3: cost saving measure.
Speaker 4: For all the.
Speaker 3: All the policy holders for a given insurance company, because
Speaker 3: they're saying, hey, if we're to your example, Matt, if
Speaker 3: we're using satellite photography right or drones to monitor the
Speaker 3: vibe of a roof right to look at the picture
Speaker 3: and make a guest there, then that saves us money,
Speaker 3: argues the company. That saves our policy holder money because
Speaker 3: now we are not sending a physical boots on the
Speaker 3: ground adjuster to assess the roof.
Speaker 2: Well, and it gives us a good reason to increase
Speaker 2: the policy. Right, if we come up with a bunch
Speaker 2: of problems that have to be addressed and you've only
Speaker 2: got let's say ninety days, sixty days, forty five days
Speaker 2: to address those things, or you know, bad things gonna happen,
Speaker 2: at least for you to be a bad thing for
Speaker 2: them would be a great thing if your policy went
Speaker 2: up by just a couple hundred dollars or even one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that. The weird thing about some of
Speaker 3: these changes or these mandated threshold increases from a private
Speaker 3: company is you can do something very clever with your
Speaker 3: order of operations. You could say thirty days to react,
Speaker 3: just a hypothetical example. And maybe the notification comes through
Speaker 3: the post and it takes about two weeks to get there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, well, and it depends on where you
Speaker 2: live too, because there are laws on the books about
Speaker 2: what insurance company have to do, how much time they
Speaker 2: have to give you or notice but they have to
Speaker 2: give you before they cancel your policy. It's the same
Speaker 2: thing if you if you rent property, let's say you're
Speaker 2: whoever you are renting that property from. There are rules
Speaker 2: on the books, depending on where you live, about what
Speaker 2: they can do, how they can increase your rent, what
Speaker 2: kind of notice that requires, and a bunch of things. Right, Basically,
Speaker 2: they have to communicate to you because you're in that
Speaker 2: relationship with a landlord. That word I don't like it,
Speaker 2: I know, but that's the kind of deal here. But
Speaker 2: these aren't This is your landlord. This is a company
Speaker 2: that is helping ensure your safety and well being and
Speaker 2: the safety of your not only your family who lives
Speaker 2: with you, but your stuff. You know.
Speaker 3: It's also it's also it's in such a strange position
Speaker 3: legally because it is a private company that you are
Speaker 3: required by law to mess with. You can you can, ostensibly,
Speaker 3: legally in the United States, say I will never visit
Speaker 3: a shoe store in my life. You know, maybe I'll
Speaker 3: get some hand me down shoes, but I'm not messing
Speaker 3: with big Foot locker or whatever.
Speaker 2: But Bigfoot there it is.
Speaker 3: But in this one, in this situation, one must have
Speaker 3: this insurance to own a house, one must have this
Speaker 3: insurance to operate a motor vehicle or someone you know.
Speaker 3: So it's it's tremendously convenient and advantageous for the private
Speaker 3: entities that arguably have poached a part of the living
Speaker 3: process that should have been relegated to government.
Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree. Let's jump really quickly, is jump to
Speaker 2: a couple of articles that were mentioned there by Cabeza Devaka,
Speaker 2: which we're not sure if that's a reference to Alvar
Speaker 2: Nunezvaka or just cow's head. You're gonna have to let
Speaker 2: us know in another voicemail.
Speaker 4: Please.
Speaker 2: Alvar Nunez of the Combizita Vakas was a Spanish explorers
Speaker 2: see so let's go to this one. This is an
Speaker 2: article from Boston twenty five News and WFTV dot com.
Speaker 2: It was posted May thirty first, twenty twenty four. The
Speaker 2: title here is insurance companies canceling homeowners policies using Drone
Speaker 2: Comma aerial photos, and it gives a couple of very
Speaker 2: concrete examples where one homeowner was sent a list of
Speaker 2: repairs that needed to be done on his house. He
Speaker 2: was given sixty days to come up with a plan
Speaker 2: to address all of these things, such as get the
Speaker 2: moss off your roof, trim back all those trees that
Speaker 2: are hanging over your roof, and uh oh, you need
Speaker 2: to replace a bunch of shingles in specific sections of
Speaker 2: the house. How would they know that stuff? Wow, did
Speaker 2: somebody come out and get on the roof and do
Speaker 2: a big inspection, or even just take photos walking around
Speaker 2: the house. No, there were drone photos that were used.
Speaker 2: Drone flew out, took a look and said, hey, lots
Speaker 2: of problems with this house. Guys, we need to send
Speaker 2: him a notice, and they gave him sixty days. But
Speaker 2: apparently he couldn't you know, a lot of money, by
Speaker 2: the way, to do all these things. Sure, you can't
Speaker 2: drop that on somebody who's on a budget. By the way,
Speaker 2: we're all on budgets. Drop that on somebody who's on
Speaker 2: a budget, and then say get it done in sixty
Speaker 2: days or you're done, You're cooked. No more home insurance
Speaker 2: for you. That's exactly what they did. He tried to
Speaker 2: get some work done, sent them his progress basically say hey,
Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I'm doing everything i possibly can.
Speaker 2: I'm still paying y'all. By the way, remember I paid y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay you more money for my hown homeowner's insurance.
Speaker 2: And they said, no, we're going to cancel. We're going
Speaker 2: to cancel the homeowner's policy. So that's what they did.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because in Massachusetts, you as a the
Speaker 2: home insurance provider, you have to give a forty five
Speaker 2: day written notice before your policy, before you can expire
Speaker 2: someone's policy, right, And it's not that way in every state.
Speaker 2: Some places have a bigger time window, some a little
Speaker 2: bit shorter, And when you're using things that could be inaccurate,
Speaker 2: like drone footage, aerial photos, satellite imagery that look, let's
Speaker 2: say there's a human actually going through and verifying all
Speaker 2: of this stuff. That's best case scenario. They can match
Speaker 2: up your actual property with those photos. But let's say
Speaker 2: it's being AI assisted, as most things are now, there
Speaker 2: is a good chance that your neighbor's house is the
Speaker 2: one that's got some really bad problems with it, but
Speaker 2: they think it's your house because Google Maps is pretty good,
Speaker 2: but it's not perfect, and sometimes they get addresses wrong.
Speaker 2: Sometimes the satellite imagery is a little off compared to
Speaker 2: what it should be, or it's old.
Speaker 3: Think about how bad facial recognition is for humans. This
Speaker 3: is the same problem writ large in terms of identifying
Speaker 3: specific homes. And also, I love the point you're making there,
Speaker 3: Matt and Cabeza. I think you can agree. One of
Speaker 3: the big issues is the state by state determination. Right.
Speaker 3: Some states are on the side of the people living
Speaker 3: in that state. Other states are strongly on the side
Speaker 3: of the private corporations in the insurance business who want to,
Speaker 3: of course maximize profits. And it's not inherently sinister, that's
Speaker 3: how corporations work. But if you live in a place
Speaker 3: where the state that you pay taxes to is very
Speaker 3: much not on your side, and these kind of things,
Speaker 3: we can't blame people who might say, hey, is this
Speaker 3: somewhat treason us? It's definitely unethical. Yeah, right, just so,
Speaker 3: and with this, you know what we see, I would
Speaker 3: argue the BESA is a trend that shall only escalate
Speaker 3: unless there is serious legislative action state by state. Then
Speaker 3: this is not going to This is not going to
Speaker 3: fade away like you know, like using chat GPT for
Speaker 3: papers or using what's the other oh NFTs. It's not
Speaker 3: going to fade away like that. The money is too good,
Speaker 3: it's proven, and if everything is above board, then maybe
Speaker 3: it does save money for policyholders.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be fair.
Speaker 3: I'm endeavoring to be fair.
Speaker 2: I love it, you know, is not trying to be fair.
Speaker 2: Whoever is serving me ads on CBS eight dot com
Speaker 2: because good what again, they're giving me a lot of
Speaker 2: senior discount ads going on here like like and we're
Speaker 2: not talking high school scene. We're talking like fifty five
Speaker 2: plus or whatever.
Speaker 3: Are you getting, Well, here's the deal. Here's how you
Speaker 3: can tell what they think of you. Are you getting
Speaker 3: ads for Golden Corral discounts or are you getting like
Speaker 3: Platinum Corral discounts.
Speaker 2: This is for senior Internet. It's only ten dollars a
Speaker 2: month apparently, Twilight Corral.
Speaker 4: Twilight Coral discount. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I went to a music concert last night and realiz
Speaker 5: real quick, like this bad.
Speaker 4: Is an old crowd future islands.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 5: It was really really good, but it was just I
Speaker 5: looked around and I was like, there's a bunch.
Speaker 4: Of olds here.
Speaker 2: Oh geez oh olds. But the whole home insurance being
Speaker 2: canceled thing because an individual homeowner's home is not in
Speaker 2: the best state, at least according to the drone footage.
Speaker 2: That's one problem. The other big problem that's happening is
Speaker 2: that these same insurance companies are dropping coverage because the
Speaker 2: homes are in a region that are being affected more
Speaker 2: and more and more and more by climate catastrophes. Here
Speaker 2: we go by weather, right, yes, And that is a huge,
Speaker 2: huge issue that we are going to talk about in
Speaker 2: a future episode along with this stuff too. I think
Speaker 2: we'll probably at least mention it because home insurance, as
Speaker 2: we've talked about before, car insurance, health insurance, it's all
Speaker 2: one big weird racket where everybody pays a bunch of
Speaker 2: money in and then they only have to pay a
Speaker 2: percentage of that out. The rest of it is profits.
Speaker 2: When it's a privatized company, you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Used to work in something like insurance.
Speaker 5: Oh, and they do their damnedest to pay you as
Speaker 5: little as possible, if not nothing.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, So anything that makes the removal of the
Speaker 2: bad policies more easy for those companies, they're going to
Speaker 2: jump on it, and they're going to do it. So
Speaker 2: we just as was as Ben was talking about with
Speaker 2: the legislation, we just need to keep our eyes and
Speaker 2: ears open for this stuff.
Speaker 3: And then also, if your quarterly profits start to get
Speaker 3: on the wrong side of red or black ink, you
Speaker 3: can go run and cry to the local government that
Speaker 3: you've already been kind of paying off for a while
Speaker 3: in lobbying you the insurer can go and say, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, just get a golf game right. Helpful corporate
Speaker 3: policy is one golf game. Away and this is this
Speaker 3: is another thing I want to make sure we mentioned this. Folks,
Speaker 3: spare a moment of empathy for the private insurers because
Speaker 3: they also have to pay for drone insurance, which is
Speaker 3: seriously one of the fastest growing private insurance. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they're hard to fly, you know what I mean. A
Speaker 3: lot of people buy a drone and then crash it immediately.
Speaker 3: We've seen it all.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great YouTube channel, drone crash crash.
Speaker 5: Do you know they sell drones at Costco?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Pretty nice ones.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, man, those digis digs.
Speaker 3: Well, here's the dystopian pro tip before we move on.
Speaker 3: You could buy a now, or you could just wait
Speaker 3: until your local government mandates that everybody has one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, following you. Oh no, I don't want that, you know.
Speaker 2: I do want to see another ad A quiet Place
Speaker 2: day one apparently that's coming nice soon. I want to
Speaker 2: see that also.
Speaker 3: Yeah, drone is just a cell phone with wings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. If the wings function like the
Speaker 2: larger birds you know that have that they push down
Speaker 2: really hard and then just kind of glide for a
Speaker 2: little bit, then push down really hard. I would love
Speaker 2: to see that.
Speaker 4: Great.
Speaker 2: So, with all of that. Thank you so much co
Speaker 2: Visitovaka for letting us know by that situation. We hope
Speaker 2: everything works out and it's okay, and let us know
Speaker 2: how it goes. Give us an update at some point.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 5: And we've returned with another message from the public. That's right,
Speaker 5: that's you. You are the public conspiracy realists out there. Boy,
Speaker 5: we got some good ones today and I'm gonna get
Speaker 5: right to it. We've got one from I believe a
Speaker 5: friend of yours, Ben Skippy, the Prozac elf. I think
Speaker 5: you guys have done some Internet chattings in the past,
Speaker 5: and I believe we've read some missives from Skippy, But
Speaker 5: this one, as I did teas in this week's Strange
Speaker 5: News episode, does regard the type of off label prescriptions
Speaker 5: that we were discussing both in the Strange News episode
Speaker 5: and in our previous episode on neuotropics.
Speaker 4: So here we go.
Speaker 5: Good evening, a gentleman. I'm dropping a note regarding something
Speaker 5: that Noel said about insurance and Ozimpic on your neuotropics episodes.
Speaker 5: A Zimpic is part of a class of drugs intended
Speaker 5: initially for the treatment of type two diabetes, a condition
Speaker 5: I have, as did members of my patriarchal line, reaching
Speaker 5: back three generations.
Speaker 4: At least.
Speaker 5: While outrageously expensive at full retail price, it was easy
Speaker 5: to get insurance to cover these types of drugs once
Speaker 5: upon a time because they effectively lowered the patient's long
Speaker 5: term insulin resistance. Sadly, that is no longer the case.
Speaker 5: The off label use of these drugs for strictly cosmetic
Speaker 5: weight loss purposes has caused insurance companies to strongly curtail
Speaker 5: and in some cases discontinue coverage of this class of drug.
Speaker 5: Where I used to pay twenty dollars per month two
Speaker 5: years ago for the formulation that worked best for me,
Speaker 5: marketed under the brand name Munjaro, it now cost me
Speaker 5: three hundred and sixty two dollars per month. I've already
Speaker 5: been told that going forward it will be twelve hundred
Speaker 5: dollars a month next year if I want to continue.
Speaker 5: That's enough per ounce. You'd think it was printer ink.
Speaker 5: Not dying is damn expensive these days, fellas, But I
Speaker 5: guess it's fine so long as a few well to
Speaker 5: do folks can knock off twenty pounds should you ach
Speaker 5: use any part of this on air.
Speaker 4: I've called in before, Skippy the Prozac el. Thank you,
Speaker 4: and I truly love your show. Skippy.
Speaker 5: You are speaking the language of some of the conversations
Speaker 5: that we've been having lately, both in the Neotropics episodes and.
Speaker 4: In other strange news.
Speaker 5: This has really been kind of a fascinating time for
Speaker 5: this whole off label thing. It just feels very wild West,
Speaker 5: and you know, it turns out it can result in
Speaker 5: folks figuring out some drugs.
Speaker 4: That have been around for a long time might be
Speaker 4: good for other stuff.
Speaker 5: And it just feels very like experimenting to me, And
Speaker 5: I'm not I've made my put in my two cents
Speaker 5: soapbox about how I think it doesn't feel right to me.
Speaker 5: But I have had doctors talk usually the word off
Speaker 5: label before, and I think I've made no secrets about
Speaker 5: the fact that I did try to lose a little
Speaker 5: weight to try one of these. I believe they're called
Speaker 5: terzep tides or some glue tithes perhaps, I think. And
Speaker 5: the one that I tried was Manjaro, but it was
Speaker 5: made in a compounding lab and I just the news
Speaker 5: started coming out about it having real weird side effects.
Speaker 5: But my doctor did prescribe it to me off label,
Speaker 5: and my insurance company promptly rejected covering it, and it
Speaker 5: would have cost about thirteen hundred bucks a month. Obviously,
Speaker 5: that's something that I can say, you know what, maybe
Speaker 5: I'll hit the gym more and watch what I eat.
Speaker 5: That's what I can do. I don't need to pay that,
Speaker 5: which is what I've been doing, and I feel all
Speaker 5: the better for it. But someone like Skippy doesn't have
Speaker 5: the luxury you just say, maybe I won't take my
Speaker 5: life saving medication that allows my body to process insulindifferently,
Speaker 5: you just stuck paying them at twelve hundred. And it's
Speaker 5: all of these kind of Hollywood a holes that it's
Speaker 5: not just in Hollywood. And and again I'm being conn
Speaker 5: be honest, I count myself among them, though I did
Speaker 5: discontinue that are causing the insurance companies to hold hog
Speaker 5: not cover this drug.
Speaker 4: Even for the people that need it.
Speaker 2: Well, guys, I think we're aiming at the wrong person here,
Speaker 2: just because I don't think it's the end user's fault
Speaker 2: they found a way to make use of it. I
Speaker 2: think it's the it's the company look at those numbers
Speaker 2: twenty dollars per month to twelve hundred dollars per month.
Speaker 2: Do you guys know how much of a percentage increase
Speaker 2: that is or i e. The profits per human being
Speaker 2: five thousand, nine hundred percent increase. If those are the
Speaker 2: actual numbers increase in profit for the company producing, you
Speaker 2: can't do it.
Speaker 5: And then, you know, as much as we like to
Speaker 5: poo poo insurance, we just we can't tell the whole
Speaker 5: segment doing it. It's kind of a messed up industry
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's the insurance companies that fault because
Speaker 5: they're getting flooded by requests to ensure this the use
Speaker 5: of this medication. And my doctor even said, I kind
Speaker 5: of know what to say to get the insurance company
Speaker 5: to cover it. Wow, Like he said that to me,
Speaker 5: and I was like, that's bold, because you know that's
Speaker 5: exactly right. You know, like, what are you gonna, you know,
Speaker 5: duke the stats there or whatever. It seems like your
Speaker 5: pill mill story, Matt. Honestly, the way some of these
Speaker 5: doctors toss out these offers of these prescriptions does feel
Speaker 5: vaguely pill mill ish and you can sell it.
Speaker 2: No, you you could still sell it for twenty dollars
Speaker 2: a pop, for one hundred dollars a month, right, Like
Speaker 2: that's still a massive increase these companies demand.
Speaker 4: Why you got to just let the demand be.
Speaker 5: The I guess you know what we talked about, like
Speaker 5: farmer brow and the whole thing with what's his face screlly,
Speaker 5: you know, not to mention what he's done to the
Speaker 5: Wu Tang clan.
Speaker 4: Don't even get me started there.
Speaker 5: But you know, his whole thing about jacking up these
Speaker 5: life saving jacking up the profits for the prices for
Speaker 5: these life saving drugs to put profits first.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, because of the system.
Speaker 5: That we find ourselves in, you know, with like pure capitalism,
Speaker 5: that's not only is that okay, it's sort of like
Speaker 5: the name of the game. And I just feel like
Speaker 5: there should be a different class classification for stuff like this,
Speaker 5: where there should be regulations that don't maybe there are,
Speaker 5: do you guys know, aren't there protections for things like
Speaker 5: this that you can't just you shouldn't be able to
Speaker 5: do this. I just don't understand how it's allowed.
Speaker 3: Well, first off, Skippy, great to hear from you, man.
Speaker 3: I love interacting with the social media, always realize you
Speaker 3: could reach out and touch faith to your question. No,
Speaker 3: the idea of protections, like Matt was saying earlier, and
Speaker 3: like we said in previous episodes, the pickle is it
Speaker 3: goes state by state. Right, There's not There are federal
Speaker 3: level regulations, but they are often as vague as the
Speaker 3: language of the Constitution or the first ten Amendments. They're
Speaker 3: saying stuff like in general to do this, and a
Speaker 3: lot of the people who are the watchdogs for those
Speaker 3: federal institutions, and indeed even the state level institutions later
Speaker 3: go through the revolving door and work for the same
Speaker 3: companies that they were supposed to regulate.
Speaker 5: And it's also they figure out how to loophole it
Speaker 5: further because they've been on the inside of it.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 3: And it also falls to mind like this is a
Speaker 3: global thing. Right. India not too long ago gotten a
Speaker 3: huge kerfuffle with pharmaceutical companies because they said, we're not
Speaker 3: going to let people die because you have a price
Speaker 3: point on a drug, you know, so we are going
Speaker 3: to make our own version of the drug and we
Speaker 3: will distribute it at cost of production. This is something
Speaker 3: we run into with all kinds of industries in the
Speaker 3: United States and in the international sphere too, Like if
Speaker 3: future historians are going to think it is absolutely bonkers
Speaker 3: that the exact same chemical substance would cost you know,
Speaker 3: twenty bucks in one place and then two hundred bucks
Speaker 3: in another. There's nothing different about it. It's just the
Speaker 3: location of the person who needs help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be awesome if they could somehow officially
Speaker 2: separate the drugs. And I know these companies have been
Speaker 2: attempting to separate their two versions of the drug, right,
Speaker 2: one specifically for someone who needs to regulate blood sugar
Speaker 2: and then someone who wants to use it as a
Speaker 2: weight loss adjunct. They've attempted to do that, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's almost like still putting it on the
Speaker 2: companies to make those those distinctions. And it hasn't moved
Speaker 2: the price point that much.
Speaker 3: Right, And there's a great deal of opposition right to
Speaker 3: fundamentally changing these price models. And we have to understand,
Speaker 3: you know that for a lot of people working for
Speaker 3: these companies, that price model is how they make their livelihood. No,
Speaker 3: while you're talking, I went and got the snarkiest book
Speaker 3: in this part of my library and I have literally
Speaker 3: been recommended this when I'm arguing things that are quote
Speaker 3: unquote too radical. Could you read the title of.
Speaker 4: This book Economics for Dummies.
Speaker 3: Which I think is a mean non answer when someone
Speaker 3: asked why the healthcare system is so broken?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, let me google that for you. No,
Speaker 5: the Dummies series is very helpful demystification tool, I would argue,
Speaker 5: and I could probably brush up on some of that
Speaker 5: stuff myself, but I don't know, Like I just yeah,
Speaker 5: broken is exactly the right word for so many reasons
Speaker 5: we've actually talked about in the last couple of episodes
Speaker 5: and depth. But this just feels like such a cash grab.
Speaker 5: And like now I mentioned mail order pharmaceuticals, like through.
Speaker 4: Companies like Him's and hers.
Speaker 5: Sure they are actually starting to carry I guess what
Speaker 5: you might call a more generic version of sozembic.
Speaker 4: That you can get on mail order.
Speaker 5: So I guess they're a business model that's sort of
Speaker 5: responding So the kind of crises we're talking about here. Now,
Speaker 5: that was one question that I had too, with the
Speaker 5: compounded lab versions of like not the officially packaged Manjarro.
Speaker 5: It was like, aren't these proprietary formulas like, how is
Speaker 5: there a lab you know, formulated version. I guess these
Speaker 5: have been around a lot longer than we realize, because
Speaker 5: they've been used for things that maybe aren't making the news,
Speaker 5: just people's lives, you know, like regulating they're in their
Speaker 5: insulin processing abilities. But now all of a sudden they're
Speaker 5: being used for this other purpose, and people think that
Speaker 5: they're brand new, they've just like been created like overnight,
Speaker 5: and that's just not the.
Speaker 3: Case, yeah, because otherwise they would not have heard of
Speaker 3: these substances unless they have the specific need, right. It's
Speaker 3: it's like, why would you know about the local politics
Speaker 3: in Indonesia unless you are in fact living in that
Speaker 3: part Indonesia, you know what I mean. It's not saying
Speaker 3: people are ignoring stuff. It just doesn't clock or it
Speaker 3: doesn't ping on their radar. And I think you hit
Speaker 3: on something that is incredibly important that we need to realize.
Speaker 3: When a drug is released, discovered, synthesized, approved for use,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean people stop researching it, right, They continue
Speaker 3: to see what other sorts of efficacy or damaging side
Speaker 3: effects may be inherent in that substance well.
Speaker 5: And inherent The whole off label thing is one reason
Speaker 5: that I didn't even you know, pursue further continuing with
Speaker 5: these medications, there are a lot of unpredictable and unexpected
Speaker 5: side effects that have started to make the news about
Speaker 5: problems with digestion. People that have been taking these and
Speaker 5: like literally not able to digest food. And that's the
Speaker 5: kind of stuff that you really only find out about
Speaker 5: in like longitudinal studies. And with this off label stuf,
Speaker 5: it just feels like they're almost bypassing.
Speaker 4: Proper FDA you know, vetting. I guess not sure the
Speaker 4: FDA is let the end all be all.
Speaker 5: Certainly something to be desired there too, in terms of
Speaker 5: the way things are often somewhat rushed out, but we
Speaker 5: are steam I see some real horrific stories about people
Speaker 5: like being eaten alive from the inside by the effects
Speaker 5: of these just to you know, lose a few pounds
Speaker 5: and look cute on the red carpet or whatever.
Speaker 3: There are no panaces, right, we can argue, just like botox,
Speaker 3: the social media pressure has pushed people to make decisions
Speaker 3: they may not have made otherwise. And to the question
Speaker 3: about how these compounding pharmacies can exist, it is very
Speaker 3: similar to the idea of designer drugs or chemical analog drugs.
Speaker 3: So one little tweak, right, the US government is required,
Speaker 3: at least this country is required to fully define the
Speaker 3: drug they are calling illegal or criminalizing. And then if
Speaker 3: you are Walter White enough, you know, or Olsily enough,
Speaker 3: you can go in. You can make a little twitch
Speaker 3: on it and then boom, it's technically a brand new thing.
Speaker 3: And compounding pharmacies have that nimbleness, they have that agility.
Speaker 5: That's right, and then that that does that. That was
Speaker 5: my understanding as well. And my last thing is the
Speaker 5: good good news is skipping the prozac elf is that
Speaker 5: this is big money. There are interested parties that want
Speaker 5: to continue to make big money. So Eli Lilly, being
Speaker 5: a massive pharmaceutical company, is investing in additional five point
Speaker 5: three billion dollars into a new manufacturing site for you know,
Speaker 5: it's funny now in the writing now, it's almost it's
Speaker 5: so annoying. It says boosting production for its weight loss
Speaker 5: and diabetes medications. Mancho and zebut I would argue it
Speaker 5: should be diabetes and weight losses.
Speaker 2: You know, that's not worth the money, is dude?
Speaker 5: No, that's right, But this is you know this Forbes
Speaker 5: piece almost reads like a frickin' press release, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it says the investment will add two hundred full time
Speaker 5: jobs at the site, including positions for engineer, scientists, operating personnel,
Speaker 5: and lab technicians. Let's see, it is in Lebanon, Indiana,
Speaker 5: so uh, there you go. And with this announcement, shares
Speaker 5: of Eli Lily up thirty nine percent this year arose
Speaker 5: a little bit, so Eli Lily might be a good
Speaker 5: a goodbye eighth eight sixty nine a share.
Speaker 4: So you know, I can't get more than one or
Speaker 4: two of those US dollars. Yeah, so like you know, Amazon.
Speaker 5: Shares are I think, you know, in the five or
Speaker 5: six hundred dollars range.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait for the ben Books conversion fair enough,
Speaker 3: it's coming.
Speaker 4: It's coming. But I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 4: any last words on this one.
Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting one. I really appreciate Skippy
Speaker 5: hipping us to the inside perspective because I've known other
Speaker 5: people with insulin issues and you know, various forms of diabetes,
Speaker 5: and it is something that affects your life daily in
Speaker 5: terms of your ability to just doce normal stuff. And
Speaker 5: if you're not getting these medications. By the way, guys,
Speaker 5: last thing, last thing around Atlanta. Have you ever seen
Speaker 5: these signs people selling like black market diabetes medication. It's
Speaker 5: a thing, and it's because it is prohibitively expensive and
Speaker 5: sometimes difficult to get that people who require this stuff
Speaker 5: have to turn to the black market. WHA, let's take
Speaker 5: a quick break and hear another word from our sponsors.
Speaker 5: We'll be back with one more piece of listener mail, and.
Speaker 3: We have returned a couple of things. We want to
Speaker 3: have a letter from home. But before we do that,
Speaker 3: we want to give a big shout out to Ryan. Ryan,
Speaker 3: you wrote the following, good afternoon. Have you all done
Speaker 3: an episode on the move group the Philly police bombed
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five. Really dig this show and Ryan
Speaker 3: back at you man, Thank you so much for this,
Speaker 3: because we have a lot to talk about when it
Speaker 3: comes to the move bombing. Full disclosure. We have an
Speaker 3: episode on We have a couple of episodes on the
Speaker 3: way about specific movements that were attacked with state level action.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the American Indian Movement in particular. But
Speaker 3: here's the skinny for anybody who doesn't know. On May thirteenth,
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five, the Philadelphia Police Department was at a
Speaker 3: Loggerhead moment with a black liberation organization called MOVE, which
Speaker 3: exists today. MOVE was originally called the Christian Movement for Life.
Speaker 3: It currently describes itself as a commune of sorts, a
Speaker 3: communal organization advocating for what they would call natural laws
Speaker 3: and natural living. They were founded in Philly in nineteen
Speaker 3: seventy two by a guy born Vincent Leaphart, who later
Speaker 3: changed his name to John Africa. Have you guys heard
Speaker 3: about the MOVE bombing?
Speaker 4: We have.
Speaker 2: It might just be off air discussions, but we've talked
Speaker 2: about this before in relation to another episode. I think
Speaker 2: it was around the time actually we just put out
Speaker 2: our Class Hampton episode. We were talking about similar actions
Speaker 2: that were taken and then we you know, we were
Speaker 2: talking about Waco and Ruby Ridge and those things. The
Speaker 2: MOVE attack maybe I don't know what you want to
Speaker 2: call it, but that was a similar thing where it
Speaker 2: seemed like a pretty aggressive set of actions taken against
Speaker 2: a group that didn't I know, this one's this one's
Speaker 2: a little more well, they're all complicated, right, all those situations,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, I don't know the specifics.
Speaker 3: This one's a sticky one. Yeah, and we did. You're
Speaker 3: absolutely correct and thinking about we did mention some of
Speaker 3: these these other altercations, which is almost a dismissive word,
Speaker 3: and we don't mean it in that sense. But these conflicts, right,
Speaker 3: what you could call battles, you know, in the sense
Speaker 3: of war studies. The Philadelphia Police Department drop two explosive
Speaker 3: devices from a helicopter onto a house occupied by MOVE.
Speaker 3: The members of the organization MOVE, you have to agree
Speaker 3: with their ideology or specifics thereof. They were civilians. And
Speaker 3: what happens when you drop explosives on old houses in Philadelphia? Spoiler,
Speaker 3: they catch on fire. And what do you do if
Speaker 3: you are a first responder, if you're the Philly Fire
Speaker 3: Departments or you're the PHILLYPD Well, you're supposed to stop
Speaker 3: the fire and you're supposed to help the people caught
Speaker 3: in those flames. Instead, the Philadelphia Police Department just watch
Speaker 3: the fire burn. They just let it go for a while. AKA,
Speaker 3: teach you move a lesson.
Speaker 4: Jesus. Yeah, that's like joker type behavior.
Speaker 3: It destroyed sixty one homes over two city blocks. The
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Police Department did this. It is not a conspiracy theory.
Speaker 5: This is a fire department from Fahrenheit four fifty one
Speaker 5: we're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's intense, man, Okay, I just joked to.
Speaker 3: Evacuate the surrounding homes.
Speaker 2: To be clear, they did, but they also killed five
Speaker 2: adults or five children and six adults.
Speaker 3: Five children and six adults they did. They also left
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty people homeless.
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a quote in some of the writing about
Speaker 2: this that I completely forgot that they showed up and
Speaker 2: they said according to uh yeah, according to some official
Speaker 2: this is actual reporting. This is what the police said. Quote, attention, move,
Speaker 2: this is a you have to abide by the laws
Speaker 2: of the United States. And they were literally given fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes to get out of house, and when they didn't,
Speaker 2: it just escalated, escalated, escalated.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what's their beef with this organization?
Speaker 4: Exactly? Like I get the gist, I think, but.
Speaker 3: They were all, yeah, parole, I would say, state actions
Speaker 3: subjugating black Americans, Oh yeah, is the primary thesis here.
Speaker 2: But the official crimes that were committed were a parole viola.
Speaker 2: A couple of people were content of court because they
Speaker 2: didn't show.
Speaker 3: Up yet, right, there was a zoning thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they had firearms, right.
Speaker 3: And this was the second of one of their major
Speaker 3: altercations with Philadelphia Police in nineteen seventy eight. There was
Speaker 3: an earlier standoff. One officer from PHILLYPD died. Sixteen first responders,
Speaker 3: meaning firefighters and officers, were wounded, as well as members
Speaker 3: of the organization Moved itself. What we see here differs
Speaker 3: depending on the perspective of the observer. It is a
Speaker 3: sociological version of what we could call the observer effect.
Speaker 3: If you find yourself very much opposed to the ideology
Speaker 3: of the Move organization, then you may be tempted to
Speaker 3: think in terms of a greater good. Right, Philly PD
Speaker 3: did an objectively evil thing, but they did it to
Speaker 3: prevent further evil things. But if you are on the
Speaker 3: side of I don't like state power cracking down on
Speaker 3: people just because they disagree with me, you know, or
Speaker 3: even if indeed just objectively, if you look at the
Speaker 3: stats of parole violations state by state, right or or
Speaker 3: some you know, some problematic gun ownership stuff right, contempt
Speaker 3: of court. A ton of people. Unfortunately, some of us
Speaker 3: listening right now are technically in contempt to court. You
Speaker 3: just don't know it because you got a traffic ticket
Speaker 3: you ignored he didn't show up. Now you're in contempt.
Speaker 3: You might have one more.
Speaker 4: Out up in jail for that very reason.
Speaker 5: I had mailed in a payment for a traffic citation
Speaker 5: and it didn't get there in time, or didn't get there,
Speaker 5: and then I got into a little thunder bender and
Speaker 5: I was very much in contempt of court and I
Speaker 5: got taken to jail and it sucked. And you know
Speaker 5: who was in that jail cell with me a dude
Speaker 5: who had been in a very similar situation but couldn't
Speaker 5: afford to get bail bonded out and had lost his
Speaker 5: job as a result of being held there for multiple days.
Speaker 4: So where's the money gonna come from? Now? The government?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and it's sort of self defeated.
Speaker 5: It's just so the lack of humanitarianism, you know in
Speaker 5: some of these organizations is mind boggle.
Speaker 2: We'll get it when you make all the goods you'll
Speaker 2: produce for us whilst in prisons.
Speaker 3: Also, this probation company as a private entity and you
Speaker 3: have a subscription fee. So back to the move organization
Speaker 3: here to answer some of your questions. We do know
Speaker 3: that later there was a federal lawsuit and they did
Speaker 3: find PHILLYPD guilty of violating constitutional productions and of the
Speaker 3: excessive use of force. However, make no mistake, it's not
Speaker 3: bringing those civilians back from the dead. And this is
Speaker 3: one of those stories that becomes kind of easy to ignore.
Speaker 3: And the reason we're bringing this out here first off,
Speaker 3: thank you, Ryan, is we want to hear more stories
Speaker 3: like this. History is always closer than it looks in
Speaker 3: the rear view mirror. Nineteen eighty five was not that
Speaker 3: long ago, right, and we see other actions like this
Speaker 3: in multiple instances. As Matt noted, please check out our
Speaker 3: earlier episode Who Killed Fred Hampton? It is worth a listen,
Speaker 3: even if you don't find yourself, you know, particularly uh
Speaker 3: enthused by this type of conspiracy. These conspiracies are real.
Speaker 3: Never forget it goes deeper than the government's debt. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna stop freestyling. H We have we have one other
Speaker 3: thing one to move on to. Guys. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you saw the news, but Walmart is going to
Speaker 3: replace it's uh its physical price tags with digital signs.
Speaker 5: Are they gonna have dynamic pricing?
Speaker 4: Like they're talking about.
Speaker 3: They're like they're pinky squear levels saying no, whoa.
Speaker 2: Reminds me of Have you guys been in a best
Speaker 2: Buy recently?
Speaker 3: No? You know, I'm frugal. I go to second best Buy.
Speaker 2: Second best purchases. But in best Buy I didn't know this.
Speaker 2: All their price tags are digital things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're on a little like a little almost like
Speaker 5: a thermostat looking.
Speaker 2: Well, no, but if you look at them into my
Speaker 2: eye at least, it looks like what are those tablets
Speaker 2: that are meant to paper or whatever? They're meant to look.
Speaker 4: Like Kendall e Yes, I think they call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like that to me. So when I
Speaker 2: look at it, I think there's a piece of paper
Speaker 2: behind that piece of plastic.
Speaker 4: It's very matt like. Yes, but there was one with.
Speaker 2: An error on it, and it was like error and wait,
Speaker 2: why would they put that in there?
Speaker 3: I would I would totally buy something with my errors.
Speaker 3: Would my errors be a currency?
Speaker 4: I will say?
Speaker 5: The thought of hand pricing, the amount of inventory that
Speaker 5: a big box store like that would have is mind
Speaker 5: boggling to me. Is I think this is good for everybody?
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think it'll affect jobs because people there's
Speaker 5: not just one job for the price tagging. I mean
Speaker 5: it certainly, you know, could have consolidation potential. But I
Speaker 5: fully applaud this move.
Speaker 3: I'm going, well, I'll get to that point in second.
Speaker 3: We've got we've got another letter. I'll keep this brief
Speaker 3: from Nutcase, who says, hey, guys, Nutcase from Tennessee. Here,
Speaker 3: I just heard the rent software conversation one to share
Speaker 3: other markets with you that use similar evils, I've evils, Nutcase.
Speaker 3: I've been in the construction industry for close to thirty
Speaker 3: years and recently learned how the company I work for,
Speaker 3: as well as many other companies, charge for service work.
Speaker 3: I do residential HVAC, plumbing and gas piping currently, and
Speaker 3: we use a software called house Call for pricing and billing.
Speaker 3: The prices are set with a few ways to alter them,
Speaker 3: like a digital cartel. Some of the prices are three
Speaker 3: hundred to four hundred percent markups. Some are higher. For example,
Speaker 3: a twenty five pounds can of free on is three
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine dollars at contractor prices. I was
Speaker 3: billed nine hundred and thirty eight dollars for ten pounds
Speaker 3: at my home. Yeah, and our service plumber continues. Nutcase
Speaker 3: was called to set three toilets for a customer who
Speaker 3: provided the toilets. The bill was seven hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 3: Just let you know this pricing, dynamic pricing is in
Speaker 3: other trades as well as in the real estate industry.
Speaker 3: Love the show. Really appreciate the way you all try
Speaker 3: to stay non biased on most topics. Sometimes, I know
Speaker 3: it gets hard to do that. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 3: This is what got me because it came in. This
Speaker 3: correspondence came in the same time the Walmart news broke
Speaker 3: and in defense to that earlier point, you anticipated their no.
Speaker 3: In defense, it is siss a fia to have to
Speaker 3: go through because the folks who are changing those physical tags,
Speaker 3: they're usually working overnight. It's like long division. There aren't
Speaker 3: a ton of shortcuts, right or good audio editing, They're
Speaker 3: not a ton of shortcuts. So you have to go
Speaker 3: product by product, rip off the little you know, three p.
Speaker 3: Fifty nine and then put in the little three forty
Speaker 3: nine and you start to think, what is life?
Speaker 2: I was telling you guys off air, I just went
Speaker 2: a store to get something for my son. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: while I was in there, the employees were doing a
Speaker 2: exactly what you're describing, going around and changing all of
Speaker 2: the price tags on all of the stuff. And it's
Speaker 2: interesting because it was such a monotonous thing to do
Speaker 2: that took so much time. It was just crazy to
Speaker 2: watch it happen at the entire time I was in
Speaker 2: the store, which is like forty five minutes or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with the idea, though it seems inevitable, like
Speaker 3: you were talking about with Best Buy. As long as
Speaker 3: everyone's a good faith actor, this is a actionable solution
Speaker 3: and saving money, it's helping people. It's definitely helping the
Speaker 3: psychology or the psychological state and mental wellness of some
Speaker 3: of the employees. But still the shadow of surge pricing,
Speaker 3: dynamic pricing looms. Right. It always starts as an incentive,
Speaker 3: the way that Kroger, a popular grocery store here in
Speaker 3: the United States, instituted, or i should say deployed the
Speaker 3: Kroger card. Right, give us some of your information and
Speaker 3: at first you will get a discount. But now if
Speaker 3: you go to any Kroger and you don't have that card,
Speaker 3: you will essentially be text right wow, just like social
Speaker 3: credit over in China. It starts as an opt in.
Speaker 5: Well, and like any kind of perceived you know, savings
Speaker 5: most of the time or whatever. Even we're talking about
Speaker 5: like shifting around, you know what, whether we pay tax
Speaker 5: or get more tariffs or whatever, you're paying for it somewhere.
Speaker 4: You're definitely paying for it somewhere.
Speaker 5: And in the case of to bring it background to
Speaker 5: what we talked about in the last listener Mail episode,
Speaker 5: to bring back around to social media, and if you're
Speaker 5: not paying anything for it, then you are the product
Speaker 5: the question there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And with this, I think we're going to ask
Speaker 3: our fellow conspiracy realists for more more first hand experience
Speaker 3: with what we will call dynamic pricing or surge pricing.
Speaker 3: And this goes you know, I thought this was a
Speaker 3: nice thematic thread with the concept of different pricing for
Speaker 3: the same drugs in different parts of the world. What
Speaker 3: is the actual price of a thing, a good, or
Speaker 3: a service, and indeed who should determine that price? Is
Speaker 3: there any recourse against bad faith actors here? I don't
Speaker 3: want to sound cynical, but I am almost entirely certain
Speaker 3: that digital price tags and brick and mortar stores are
Speaker 3: going to be the new normal, and I am likewise
Speaker 3: almost certain that they will be used to manipulate prices
Speaker 3: to the advantage of the stores.
Speaker 5: This is interesting, how it's a slow burned kind of
Speaker 5: or like a frog and boiling water. Where there are
Speaker 5: certain industries that we totally accept dynamic pricing.
Speaker 4: We don't like it, but we accept it.
Speaker 5: Airline tickets, even certain you know, fees and stuff for
Speaker 5: concert tickets or whatever. More so, the airline thing, hotel
Speaker 5: room rates, it all fluctuates depending on demand and supply.
Speaker 5: So it's not that far of a walk to think that.
Speaker 4: Could eventually just include.
Speaker 5: We know that McDonald's prices are up one thousand percent
Speaker 5: year over year or whatever, why not.
Speaker 4: Just just do that daily?
Speaker 3: You know, you remember when you could go to the
Speaker 3: dollar store and things cost just one dollar.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Remember, I understand we're almost kidding ourselves
Speaker 5: that we're not already being dynamically priced. It just doesn't
Speaker 5: happen on the daily. It happens over a longer period
Speaker 5: of time.
Speaker 3: Just wait till it hits the hospitals. My dudes, it's
Speaker 3: on the way. We can't like that this is going
Speaker 3: to be the conclusion of our listener mail program, we
Speaker 3: like to end it with a little bit of a
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Speaker 4: What's his take.
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Speaker 4: I need more than that. Oh we like them Sandwich.
Speaker 3: I didn't ask him that. We're exercising diplomacy. We've got
Speaker 3: to deepen the relationship before we get to the real
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Speaker 4: Break a friendship the.
Speaker 2: Former security guard MTG.
Speaker 3: We also know there is a letter from home that
Speaker 3: will shout out to you, Sam. Thanks for supporting the show.
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Speaker 3: Have a great selection of case IDAs, which is a
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Speaker 4: The veggies and stuff and the's spicy.
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. Here's the thing. Those burritos. Yes, agreed.
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Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I've never eaten one in a single sitting green burrito.
Speaker 5: Qualified maybe there's a bigger one that I'm not aware of.
Speaker 5: But it is about you know, forearms.
Speaker 3: It's like a Popeye forearm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, full of good superpower and beuing veggies.
Speaker 3: And yes, we also have one letter from home that
Speaker 3: we might save for later. Stuff they don't want you to.
Speaker 3: Sandwich has given us, as a professional courtesy, a warning
Speaker 3: about our somewhat controversial discourse on lasagna, tacos and sandwiches.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's what I was thinking about. That's
Speaker 2: what I was thinking about with former security guard and
Speaker 2: MTG that it was this specific warning.
Speaker 3: Dude, want to just play it. We'll go on that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes.
Speaker 2: He just wants to point out a couple of things.
Speaker 4: Here we are.
Speaker 3: We're never above corrections and clarification, folks. We're all in
Speaker 3: this together. And we received a courteous diplomatic warning from
Speaker 3: a colleague of ours.
Speaker 8: Stuff that don't want you to know.
Speaker 7: It is, I Wayne, stuff that don't want you to standwich.
Speaker 8: And I'm actually calling in response to your most recent
Speaker 8: Listener Male episode where you discuss tacos and lasagna as well.
Speaker 8: Another way to say it, sandwiches directly into my purview.
Speaker 7: So I'm gonna have to ask y'all to keep your
Speaker 7: little podcast, yeah, little podcast to your own bounds. That's
Speaker 7: mine that goes into my area, my jurisdiction.
Speaker 8: It's stuff they don't wants you to standwich and you
Speaker 8: talk about sandwiches. I mean, it's a blatant violation of
Speaker 8: our treaty, and uh, there's probably gonna.
Speaker 7: Be some percussions, sanctions, just a new a formal warning,
Speaker 7: a professional courtesy, if you will, as a fellow podcaster.
Speaker 5: I don't have a podcast, Sandwich King.
Speaker 8: I'm a little disappointed, though luckily you didn't bring up
Speaker 8: hot dogs, but you were dangerously close.
Speaker 4: Hot dogs of sandwich hot dogs.
Speaker 8: Definitely look forward to a call from my fake lawyers
Speaker 8: and know that we're no longer friends. Goodbye, Wade, Wade.
Speaker 3: If this is how it ends, had a good run.
Speaker 3: I also look forward to, uh, you will also be
Speaker 3: hearing from our fake lawyers who are world class experts.
Speaker 3: By the way, dude in Sandwich law you know and
Speaker 3: h and I don't know. I just I love these
Speaker 3: letters from home because it.
Speaker 5: So much skin in this game. I don't think I
Speaker 5: heard his sandwich credential. Maybe I missed it.
Speaker 2: He is stuff. They don't want to watch Sandandwich so like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, oh, that's his nickname. Yeah, that's his jurisdiction.
Speaker 3: It's his jurisdiction.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was so official.
Speaker 3: We're messing with big Sandwich.
Speaker 5: I feel like it was a missed opportunity that we
Speaker 5: should have gotten his take.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: I that's that's why I'm playing this man. I'm hoping Wayne,
Speaker 3: we need we need your boots on the ground, right.
Speaker 3: You're in the deli spiritually here, So tell us what
Speaker 3: more people need to know about.
Speaker 2: So well, he's from he was from Philly, so I mean,
Speaker 2: I bet he's got some sandwich knowledge.
Speaker 3: Gosh, yeah, what is Oh? No, I remember I ruined
Speaker 3: our Philly show one time because I asked people for
Speaker 3: the best Philly sandwich restaurant in Philly.
Speaker 4: You got Geno's and Pats Those are very Yeah.
Speaker 3: I thought some folks were talking to us after the
Speaker 3: live show. But they just came up and argued about
Speaker 3: sandwiches in front of us, who was amazing.
Speaker 5: Ginos and Pats are right next to each other. Those
Speaker 5: are the kind of the more touristy ones. But then
Speaker 5: if you really talk to someone who knows their business,
Speaker 5: they won't even mention those. They'll mention some special hole
Speaker 5: in the wall off the beaten path, you know, Steak.
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