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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: gonna learn about a recent fascination of ours or an

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Speaker 3: ongoing fascination regarding insurance. We might have some hot takes

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Speaker 3: All this and more. Before we do any of that,

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Speaker 3: we've been doing the cold opens now, So you guys

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Speaker 2: the voicemail machine and in it we are going to

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Speaker 2: find a message from cow's head, but in Spanish.

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Speaker 5: Here we go, Hey guys, this is Cove.

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Speaker 6: I was I was listening to the recent freak Broker's

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Speaker 6: and a recent thing this happened to my father where

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Speaker 6: they canceled his home insurance. He got a notice in

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Speaker 6: the mail and when he called the question it, the

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Speaker 6: lady told him that they flew had drone over his

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Speaker 6: house and looked into his backyard and saw that there

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Speaker 6: was a bunch of vehicles back there and other junk

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Speaker 6: that he had stored. He lives on an acre. It

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Speaker 6: made a deal with his cousin that he could throw

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Speaker 6: some vehicles back there. It's not a lot, but anyway,

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Speaker 6: so they canceled the insurance and then they also sent

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Speaker 6: him a photo that they used Google. The reason they

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Speaker 6: found out was they were checking Google Maps and they

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Speaker 6: saw the aerial view from the satellite footage that showed

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Speaker 6: a lot of the cars and things that were back there,

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Speaker 6: and that's why they canceled the insurance. But I think

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Speaker 6: is a very big invasion of privacy. And he had

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Speaker 6: like it was state farm insurance, so not like some

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Speaker 6: weird cheap insurance, and they said, oh, we have to

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Speaker 6: get it all cleaned up before we'll allow you to

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Speaker 6: restart your insurance. And so he's kind of trying to

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Speaker 6: deal with that. But I don't know. I've heard other

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Speaker 6: people mention it, and I've seen an article about it online.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if you guys know about that. It's

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Speaker 6: really weird, really big amazing of privacy, I think, because

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Speaker 6: also I don't think he's had that insurances before drones

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Speaker 6: hide that in the fine print. I don't know how

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Speaker 6: they're getting away with that. Maybe something to look into.

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Speaker 6: So for you, this message on there, if you want

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Speaker 6: have a good day.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was me who was talking about having

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Speaker 5: my policy canceled, but it was just a bonehead.

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Speaker 4: To move on my part.

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Speaker 5: You just have to re up it and like have

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Speaker 5: them reassess it and you know, make sure everything's correct

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Speaker 5: or whatever, and then my mortgage company started a new

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Speaker 5: policy for me that was more expensive, and I still

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Speaker 5: have a dealt with that to get me back to

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Speaker 4: But what, man, what our friend here is talking about.

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Speaker 5: I can't that as Oh wow, I mean, I guess

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Speaker 5: all bets are off now, guys.

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Speaker 3: Huh, yeah, Matt, we talked about this a little bit

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Speaker 2: Just the fact that I have homeowners insurance and I'm

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like if you had a trampoline or something,

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Speaker 4: That could be a deal breaking.

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Speaker 2: Well, when I first moved in, I think about the

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Speaker 2: And it's something that I did, and it was expensive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But it was just trying to figure out, you know,

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Speaker 2: And if my home insurance company decided to fly a

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Speaker 2: but some mosses growing. Is there anything that makes your

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Speaker 3: Even if it's from a satellite.

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Speaker 5: But there should be a transparency behind the criteria for

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Speaker 5: making those kind of judgment calls, like you know, like

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Speaker 5: if you you can't just cancel somebody's you could maybe

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Speaker 5: that's just overkill, man.

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Speaker 3: It is legislation. First off, Kbeza Devaka, we appreciate your time,

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Speaker 3: and you're bringing up something that has been a mutual

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Speaker 3: and fascination that only grows the way this stuff is presented.

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Speaker 3: To answer your question, is the calculus on the side

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Speaker 3: of private insurance companies is that this is ultimately a

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Speaker 4: For all the.

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Speaker 3: All the policy holders for a given insurance company, because

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Speaker 3: they're saying, hey, if we're to your example, Matt, if

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Speaker 3: we're using satellite photography right or drones to monitor the

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Speaker 3: and make a guest there, then that saves us money,

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Speaker 3: argues the company. That saves our policy holder money because

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Speaker 3: now we are not sending a physical boots on the

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Speaker 2: Well, and it gives us a good reason to increase

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Speaker 2: of problems that have to be addressed and you've only

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Speaker 2: got let's say ninety days, sixty days, forty five days

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Speaker 2: at least for you to be a bad thing for

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Speaker 2: them would be a great thing if your policy went

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that. The weird thing about some of

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Speaker 3: these changes or these mandated threshold increases from a private

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Speaker 3: company is you can do something very clever with your

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Speaker 3: order of operations. You could say thirty days to react,

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Speaker 3: just a hypothetical example. And maybe the notification comes through

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Speaker 3: the post and it takes about two weeks to get there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure, well, and it depends on where you

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Speaker 2: live too, because there are laws on the books about

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Speaker 2: have to give you or notice but they have to

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Speaker 2: give you before they cancel your policy. It's the same

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Speaker 2: they can do, how they can increase your rent, what

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Speaker 2: kind of notice that requires, and a bunch of things. Right, Basically,

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Speaker 2: they have to communicate to you because you're in that

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Speaker 2: I know, but that's the kind of deal here. But

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Speaker 2: these aren't This is your landlord. This is a company

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Speaker 2: the safety of your not only your family who lives

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Speaker 3: It's also it's also it's in such a strange position

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Speaker 2: But Bigfoot there it is.

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Speaker 3: But in this one, in this situation, one must have

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Speaker 3: this insurance to own a house, one must have this

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Speaker 3: So it's it's tremendously convenient and advantageous for the private

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Speaker 2: Yeah, completely agree. Let's jump really quickly, is jump to

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Speaker 2: a couple of articles that were mentioned there by Cabeza Devaka,

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Speaker 2: which we're not sure if that's a reference to Alvar

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Speaker 2: Alvar Nunez of the Combizita Vakas was a Spanish explorers

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Speaker 2: see so let's go to this one. This is an

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Speaker 2: article from Boston twenty five News and WFTV dot com.

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Speaker 2: It was posted May thirty first, twenty twenty four. The

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Speaker 2: title here is insurance companies canceling homeowners policies using Drone

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Speaker 2: Comma aerial photos, and it gives a couple of very

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Speaker 2: concrete examples where one homeowner was sent a list of

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Speaker 2: to replace a bunch of shingles in specific sections of

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Speaker 2: the house. How would they know that stuff? Wow, did

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Speaker 2: somebody come out and get on the roof and do

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Speaker 2: the house. No, there were drone photos that were used.

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Speaker 2: Drone flew out, took a look and said, hey, lots

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Speaker 2: him a notice, and they gave him sixty days. But

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Speaker 2: apparently he couldn't you know, a lot of money, by

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Speaker 2: the way, to do all these things. Sure, you can't

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Speaker 2: drop that on somebody who's on a budget. By the way,

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Speaker 2: we're all on budgets. Drop that on somebody who's on

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Speaker 2: a budget, and then say get it done in sixty

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Speaker 2: days or you're done, You're cooked. No more home insurance

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Speaker 2: for you. That's exactly what they did. He tried to

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Speaker 2: I'm working on it. I'm doing everything i possibly can.

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Speaker 2: I'm still paying y'all. By the way, remember I paid y'all.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay you more money for my hown homeowner's insurance.

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Speaker 2: And they said, no, we're going to cancel. We're going

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Speaker 2: to cancel the homeowner's policy. So that's what they did.

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Speaker 2: And it's crazy because in Massachusetts, you as a the

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to be fair.

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Speaker 5: Oh, and they do their damnedest to pay you as

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Speaker 3: And then also, if your quarterly profits start to get

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Speaker 5: Do you know they sell drones at Costco?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the dystopian pro tip before we move on.

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Speaker 2: So, with all of that. Thank you so much co

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Speaker 5: And we've returned with another message from the public. That's right,

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Speaker 5: that's you. You are the public conspiracy realists out there. Boy,

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Speaker 4: So here we go.

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Speaker 5: Good evening, a gentleman. I'm dropping a note regarding something

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Speaker 5: A Zimpic is part of a class of drugs intended

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Speaker 5: While outrageously expensive at full retail price, it was easy

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Speaker 5: The off label use of these drugs for strictly cosmetic

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Speaker 5: That's enough per ounce. You'd think it was printer ink.

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Speaker 5: Not dying is damn expensive these days, fellas, But I

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Speaker 4: I've called in before, Skippy the Prozac el. Thank you,

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Speaker 5: You are speaking the language of some of the conversations

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Speaker 5: This has really been kind of a fascinating time for

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Speaker 5: this whole off label thing. It just feels very wild West,

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Speaker 5: And it just feels very like experimenting to me, And

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Speaker 5: But I have had doctors talk usually the word off

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Speaker 5: you just stuck paying them at twelve hundred. And it's

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Speaker 5: And then, you know, as much as we like to

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Speaker 5: to cover it. Wow, Like he said that to me,

440
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 5: and I was like, that's bold, because you know that's

441
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 5: exactly right. You know, like, what are you gonna, you know,

442
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 5: duke the stats there or whatever. It seems like your

443
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 5: pill mill story, Matt. Honestly, the way some of these

444
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 5: doctors toss out these offers of these prescriptions does feel

445
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 5: vaguely pill mill ish and you can sell it.

446
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 2: No, you you could still sell it for twenty dollars

447
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: a pop, for one hundred dollars a month, right, Like

448
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: that's still a massive increase these companies demand.

449
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 4: Why you got to just let the demand be.

450
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Speaker 5: The I guess you know what we talked about, like

451
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 5: farmer brow and the whole thing with what's his face screlly,

452
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 5: you know, not to mention what he's done to the

453
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 5: Wu Tang clan.

454
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Speaker 4: Don't even get me started there.

455
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 5: But you know, his whole thing about jacking up these

456
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 5: life saving jacking up the profits for the prices for

457
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 5: these life saving drugs to put profits first.

458
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 4: And unfortunately, because of the system.

459
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 5: That we find ourselves in, you know, with like pure capitalism,

460
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 5: that's not only is that okay, it's sort of like

461
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 5: the name of the game. And I just feel like

462
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 5: there should be a different class classification for stuff like this,

463
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 5: where there should be regulations that don't maybe there are,

464
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Speaker 5: do you guys know, aren't there protections for things like

465
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 5: this that you can't just you shouldn't be able to

466
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 5: do this. I just don't understand how it's allowed.

467
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Speaker 3: Well, first off, Skippy, great to hear from you, man.

468
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: I love interacting with the social media, always realize you

469
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 3: could reach out and touch faith to your question. No,

470
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: the idea of protections, like Matt was saying earlier, and

471
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: like we said in previous episodes, the pickle is it

472
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 3: goes state by state. Right, There's not There are federal

473
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: level regulations, but they are often as vague as the

474
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: language of the Constitution or the first ten Amendments. They're

475
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 3: saying stuff like in general to do this, and a

476
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 3: lot of the people who are the watchdogs for those

477
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: federal institutions, and indeed even the state level institutions later

478
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,120
Speaker 3: go through the revolving door and work for the same

479
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 3: companies that they were supposed to regulate.

480
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 5: And it's also they figure out how to loophole it

481
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 5: further because they've been on the inside of it.

482
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Speaker 7: Right.

483
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Speaker 3: And it also falls to mind like this is a

484
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: global thing. Right. India not too long ago gotten a

485
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: huge kerfuffle with pharmaceutical companies because they said, we're not

486
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 3: going to let people die because you have a price

487
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: point on a drug, you know, so we are going

488
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 3: to make our own version of the drug and we

489
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 3: will distribute it at cost of production. This is something

490
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 3: we run into with all kinds of industries in the

491
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 3: United States and in the international sphere too, Like if

492
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: future historians are going to think it is absolutely bonkers

493
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: that the exact same chemical substance would cost you know,

494
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 3: twenty bucks in one place and then two hundred bucks

495
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: in another. There's nothing different about it. It's just the

496
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 3: location of the person who needs help.

497
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be awesome if they could somehow officially

498
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: separate the drugs. And I know these companies have been

499
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: attempting to separate their two versions of the drug, right,

500
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: one specifically for someone who needs to regulate blood sugar

501
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: and then someone who wants to use it as a

502
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: weight loss adjunct. They've attempted to do that, but I

503
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: don't know, it's almost like still putting it on the

504
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: companies to make those those distinctions. And it hasn't moved

505
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: the price point that much.

506
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: Right, And there's a great deal of opposition right to

507
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 3: fundamentally changing these price models. And we have to understand,

508
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: you know that for a lot of people working for

509
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 3: these companies, that price model is how they make their livelihood. No,

510
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 3: while you're talking, I went and got the snarkiest book

511
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 3: in this part of my library and I have literally

512
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: been recommended this when I'm arguing things that are quote

513
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: unquote too radical. Could you read the title of.

514
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: This book Economics for Dummies.

515
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: Which I think is a mean non answer when someone

516
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 3: asked why the healthcare system is so broken?

517
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, let me google that for you. No,

518
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 5: the Dummies series is very helpful demystification tool, I would argue,

519
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 5: and I could probably brush up on some of that

520
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 5: stuff myself, but I don't know, Like I just yeah,

521
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 5: broken is exactly the right word for so many reasons

522
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: we've actually talked about in the last couple of episodes

523
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 5: and depth. But this just feels like such a cash grab.

524
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 5: And like now I mentioned mail order pharmaceuticals, like through.

525
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 4: Companies like Him's and hers.

526
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 5: Sure they are actually starting to carry I guess what

527
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 5: you might call a more generic version of sozembic.

528
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: That you can get on mail order.

529
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 5: So I guess they're a business model that's sort of

530
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: responding So the kind of crises we're talking about here. Now,

531
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 5: that was one question that I had too, with the

532
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 5: compounded lab versions of like not the officially packaged Manjarro.

533
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 5: It was like, aren't these proprietary formulas like, how is

534
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 5: there a lab you know, formulated version. I guess these

535
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 5: have been around a lot longer than we realize, because

536
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 5: they've been used for things that maybe aren't making the news,

537
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 5: just people's lives, you know, like regulating they're in their

538
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 5: insulin processing abilities. But now all of a sudden they're

539
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 5: being used for this other purpose, and people think that

540
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 5: they're brand new, they've just like been created like overnight,

541
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 5: and that's just not the.

542
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Speaker 3: Case, yeah, because otherwise they would not have heard of

543
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: these substances unless they have the specific need, right. It's

544
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: it's like, why would you know about the local politics

545
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: in Indonesia unless you are in fact living in that

546
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: part Indonesia, you know what I mean. It's not saying

547
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: people are ignoring stuff. It just doesn't clock or it

548
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: doesn't ping on their radar. And I think you hit

549
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: on something that is incredibly important that we need to realize.

550
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: When a drug is released, discovered, synthesized, approved for use,

551
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean people stop researching it, right, They continue

552
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: to see what other sorts of efficacy or damaging side

553
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: effects may be inherent in that substance well.

554
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: And inherent The whole off label thing is one reason

555
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 5: that I didn't even you know, pursue further continuing with

556
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 5: these medications, there are a lot of unpredictable and unexpected

557
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 5: side effects that have started to make the news about

558
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 5: problems with digestion. People that have been taking these and

559
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: like literally not able to digest food. And that's the

560
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 5: kind of stuff that you really only find out about

561
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 5: in like longitudinal studies. And with this off label stuf,

562
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 5: it just feels like they're almost bypassing.

563
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 4: Proper FDA you know, vetting. I guess not sure the

564
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: FDA is let the end all be all.

565
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 5: Certainly something to be desired there too, in terms of

566
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 5: the way things are often somewhat rushed out, but we

567
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: are steam I see some real horrific stories about people

568
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 5: like being eaten alive from the inside by the effects

569
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 5: of these just to you know, lose a few pounds

570
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 5: and look cute on the red carpet or whatever.

571
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: There are no panaces, right, we can argue, just like botox,

572
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: the social media pressure has pushed people to make decisions

573
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 3: they may not have made otherwise. And to the question

574
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: about how these compounding pharmacies can exist, it is very

575
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: similar to the idea of designer drugs or chemical analog drugs.

576
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: So one little tweak, right, the US government is required,

577
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: at least this country is required to fully define the

578
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: drug they are calling illegal or criminalizing. And then if

579
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: you are Walter White enough, you know, or Olsily enough,

580
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: you can go in. You can make a little twitch

581
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: on it and then boom, it's technically a brand new thing.

582
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: And compounding pharmacies have that nimbleness, they have that agility.

583
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 5: That's right, and then that that does that. That was

584
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: my understanding as well. And my last thing is the

585
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 5: good good news is skipping the prozac elf is that

586
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 5: this is big money. There are interested parties that want

587
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 5: to continue to make big money. So Eli Lilly, being

588
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: a massive pharmaceutical company, is investing in additional five point

589
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 5: three billion dollars into a new manufacturing site for you know,

590
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 5: it's funny now in the writing now, it's almost it's

591
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 5: so annoying. It says boosting production for its weight loss

592
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: and diabetes medications. Mancho and zebut I would argue it

593
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 5: should be diabetes and weight losses.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's not worth the money, is dude?

595
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: No, that's right, But this is you know this Forbes

596
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 5: piece almost reads like a frickin' press release, but yeah,

597
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 5: it says the investment will add two hundred full time

598
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 5: jobs at the site, including positions for engineer, scientists, operating personnel,

599
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: and lab technicians. Let's see, it is in Lebanon, Indiana,

600
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: so uh, there you go. And with this announcement, shares

601
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 5: of Eli Lily up thirty nine percent this year arose

602
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 5: a little bit, so Eli Lily might be a good

603
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 5: a goodbye eighth eight sixty nine a share.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I can't get more than one or

605
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 4: two of those US dollars. Yeah, so like you know, Amazon.

606
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 5: Shares are I think, you know, in the five or

607
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 5: six hundred dollars range.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait for the ben Books conversion fair enough,

609
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: it's coming.

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Speaker 4: It's coming. But I don't know if you guys have

611
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 4: any last words on this one.

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Speaker 5: I think it's an interesting one. I really appreciate Skippy

613
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 5: hipping us to the inside perspective because I've known other

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00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 5: people with insulin issues and you know, various forms of diabetes,

615
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 5: and it is something that affects your life daily in

616
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Speaker 5: terms of your ability to just doce normal stuff. And

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 5: if you're not getting these medications. By the way, guys,

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00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 5: last thing, last thing around Atlanta. Have you ever seen

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Speaker 5: these signs people selling like black market diabetes medication. It's

620
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Speaker 5: a thing, and it's because it is prohibitively expensive and

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Speaker 5: sometimes difficult to get that people who require this stuff

622
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Speaker 5: have to turn to the black market. WHA, let's take

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Speaker 5: a quick break and hear another word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 5: We'll be back with one more piece of listener mail, and.

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Speaker 3: We have returned a couple of things. We want to

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Speaker 3: have a letter from home. But before we do that,

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Speaker 3: we want to give a big shout out to Ryan. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: you wrote the following, good afternoon. Have you all done

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Speaker 3: an episode on the move group the Philly police bombed

630
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty five. Really dig this show and Ryan

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Speaker 3: back at you man, Thank you so much for this,

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Speaker 3: because we have a lot to talk about when it

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00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 3: comes to the move bombing. Full disclosure. We have an

634
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Speaker 3: episode on We have a couple of episodes on the

635
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Speaker 3: way about specific movements that were attacked with state level action.

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00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: Shout out to the American Indian Movement in particular. But

637
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 3: here's the skinny for anybody who doesn't know. On May thirteenth,

638
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five, the Philadelphia Police Department was at a

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Speaker 3: Loggerhead moment with a black liberation organization called MOVE, which

640
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 3: exists today. MOVE was originally called the Christian Movement for Life.

641
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: It currently describes itself as a commune of sorts, a

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00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: communal organization advocating for what they would call natural laws

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Speaker 3: and natural living. They were founded in Philly in nineteen

644
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: seventy two by a guy born Vincent Leaphart, who later

645
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: changed his name to John Africa. Have you guys heard

646
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: about the MOVE bombing?

647
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 4: We have.

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Speaker 2: It might just be off air discussions, but we've talked

649
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 2: about this before in relation to another episode. I think

650
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Speaker 2: it was around the time actually we just put out

651
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Speaker 2: our Class Hampton episode. We were talking about similar actions

652
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Speaker 2: that were taken and then we you know, we were

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Speaker 2: talking about Waco and Ruby Ridge and those things. The

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Speaker 2: MOVE attack maybe I don't know what you want to

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Speaker 2: call it, but that was a similar thing where it

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Speaker 2: seemed like a pretty aggressive set of actions taken against

657
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Speaker 2: a group that didn't I know, this one's this one's

658
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: a little more well, they're all complicated, right, all those situations,

659
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: but I don't know, I don't know the specifics.

660
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Speaker 3: This one's a sticky one. Yeah, and we did. You're

661
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: absolutely correct and thinking about we did mention some of

662
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 3: these these other altercations, which is almost a dismissive word,

663
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: and we don't mean it in that sense. But these conflicts, right,

664
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: what you could call battles, you know, in the sense

665
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: of war studies. The Philadelphia Police Department drop two explosive

666
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,959
Speaker 3: devices from a helicopter onto a house occupied by MOVE.

667
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Speaker 3: The members of the organization MOVE, you have to agree

668
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 3: with their ideology or specifics thereof. They were civilians. And

669
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Speaker 3: what happens when you drop explosives on old houses in Philadelphia? Spoiler,

670
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: they catch on fire. And what do you do if

671
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: you are a first responder, if you're the Philly Fire

672
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: Departments or you're the PHILLYPD Well, you're supposed to stop

673
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 3: the fire and you're supposed to help the people caught

674
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 3: in those flames. Instead, the Philadelphia Police Department just watch

675
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: the fire burn. They just let it go for a while. AKA,

676
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Speaker 3: teach you move a lesson.

677
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Speaker 4: Jesus. Yeah, that's like joker type behavior.

678
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: It destroyed sixty one homes over two city blocks. The

679
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Police Department did this. It is not a conspiracy theory.

680
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 5: This is a fire department from Fahrenheit four fifty one

681
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: we're talking about.

682
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Speaker 2: It's intense, man, Okay, I just joked to.

683
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Speaker 3: Evacuate the surrounding homes.

684
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Speaker 2: To be clear, they did, but they also killed five

685
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Speaker 2: adults or five children and six adults.

686
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: Five children and six adults they did. They also left

687
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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty people homeless.

688
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Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a quote in some of the writing about

689
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: this that I completely forgot that they showed up and

690
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: they said according to uh yeah, according to some official

691
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: this is actual reporting. This is what the police said. Quote, attention, move,

692
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: this is a you have to abide by the laws

693
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Speaker 2: of the United States. And they were literally given fifteen

694
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: minutes to get out of house, and when they didn't,

695
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: it just escalated, escalated, escalated.

696
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, what's their beef with this organization?

697
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: Exactly? Like I get the gist, I think, but.

698
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: They were all, yeah, parole, I would say, state actions

699
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: subjugating black Americans, Oh yeah, is the primary thesis here.

700
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 2: But the official crimes that were committed were a parole viola.

701
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 2: A couple of people were content of court because they

702
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 2: didn't show.

703
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: Up yet, right, there was a zoning thing.

704
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: Yes, and they had firearms, right.

705
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 3: And this was the second of one of their major

706
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Speaker 3: altercations with Philadelphia Police in nineteen seventy eight. There was

707
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: an earlier standoff. One officer from PHILLYPD died. Sixteen first responders,

708
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 3: meaning firefighters and officers, were wounded, as well as members

709
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: of the organization Moved itself. What we see here differs

710
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 3: depending on the perspective of the observer. It is a

711
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 3: sociological version of what we could call the observer effect.

712
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 3: If you find yourself very much opposed to the ideology

713
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: of the Move organization, then you may be tempted to

714
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 3: think in terms of a greater good. Right, Philly PD

715
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: did an objectively evil thing, but they did it to

716
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: prevent further evil things. But if you are on the

717
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: side of I don't like state power cracking down on

718
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: people just because they disagree with me, you know, or

719
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Speaker 3: even if indeed just objectively, if you look at the

720
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Speaker 3: stats of parole violations state by state, right or or

721
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 3: some you know, some problematic gun ownership stuff right, contempt

722
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: of court. A ton of people. Unfortunately, some of us

723
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: listening right now are technically in contempt to court. You

724
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: just don't know it because you got a traffic ticket

725
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: you ignored he didn't show up. Now you're in contempt.

726
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 3: You might have one more.

727
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 4: Out up in jail for that very reason.

728
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 5: I had mailed in a payment for a traffic citation

729
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 5: and it didn't get there in time, or didn't get there,

730
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 5: and then I got into a little thunder bender and

731
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 5: I was very much in contempt of court and I

732
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: got taken to jail and it sucked. And you know

733
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 5: who was in that jail cell with me a dude

734
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 5: who had been in a very similar situation but couldn't

735
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 5: afford to get bail bonded out and had lost his

736
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 5: job as a result of being held there for multiple days.

737
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Speaker 4: So where's the money gonna come from? Now? The government?

738
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and it's sort of self defeated.

739
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 5: It's just so the lack of humanitarianism, you know in

740
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 5: some of these organizations is mind boggle.

741
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Speaker 2: We'll get it when you make all the goods you'll

742
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: produce for us whilst in prisons.

743
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: Also, this probation company as a private entity and you

744
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 3: have a subscription fee. So back to the move organization

745
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: here to answer some of your questions. We do know

746
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,479
Speaker 3: that later there was a federal lawsuit and they did

747
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 3: find PHILLYPD guilty of violating constitutional productions and of the

748
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 3: excessive use of force. However, make no mistake, it's not

749
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: bringing those civilians back from the dead. And this is

750
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: one of those stories that becomes kind of easy to ignore.

751
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 3: And the reason we're bringing this out here first off,

752
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: thank you, Ryan, is we want to hear more stories

753
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 3: like this. History is always closer than it looks in

754
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: the rear view mirror. Nineteen eighty five was not that

755
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: long ago, right, and we see other actions like this

756
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: in multiple instances. As Matt noted, please check out our

757
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 3: earlier episode Who Killed Fred Hampton? It is worth a listen,

758
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: even if you don't find yourself, you know, particularly uh

759
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: enthused by this type of conspiracy. These conspiracies are real.

760
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: Never forget it goes deeper than the government's debt. I'm

761
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: gonna stop freestyling. H We have we have one other

762
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: thing one to move on to. Guys. I don't know

763
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: if you saw the news, but Walmart is going to

764
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 3: replace it's uh its physical price tags with digital signs.

765
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Speaker 5: Are they gonna have dynamic pricing?

766
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 4: Like they're talking about.

767
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: They're like they're pinky squear levels saying no, whoa.

768
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Speaker 2: Reminds me of Have you guys been in a best

769
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: Buy recently?

770
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: No? You know, I'm frugal. I go to second best Buy.

771
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: Second best purchases. But in best Buy I didn't know this.

772
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: All their price tags are digital things.

773
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're on a little like a little almost like

774
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 5: a thermostat looking.

775
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: Well, no, but if you look at them into my

776
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 2: eye at least, it looks like what are those tablets

777
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 2: that are meant to paper or whatever? They're meant to look.

778
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: Like Kendall e Yes, I think they call it.

779
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like that to me. So when I

780
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: look at it, I think there's a piece of paper

781
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 2: behind that piece of plastic.

782
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: It's very matt like. Yes, but there was one with.

783
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 2: An error on it, and it was like error and wait,

784
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 2: why would they put that in there?

785
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: I would I would totally buy something with my errors.

786
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 3: Would my errors be a currency?

787
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: I will say?

788
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 5: The thought of hand pricing, the amount of inventory that

789
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 5: a big box store like that would have is mind

790
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 5: boggling to me. Is I think this is good for everybody?

791
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 5: I don't necessarily think it'll affect jobs because people there's

792
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 5: not just one job for the price tagging. I mean

793
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 5: it certainly, you know, could have consolidation potential. But I

794
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 5: fully applaud this move.

795
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 3: I'm going, well, I'll get to that point in second.

796
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: We've got we've got another letter. I'll keep this brief

797
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 3: from Nutcase, who says, hey, guys, Nutcase from Tennessee. Here,

798
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: I just heard the rent software conversation one to share

799
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 3: other markets with you that use similar evils, I've evils, Nutcase.

800
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: I've been in the construction industry for close to thirty

801
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: years and recently learned how the company I work for,

802
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 3: as well as many other companies, charge for service work.

803
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: I do residential HVAC, plumbing and gas piping currently, and

804
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: we use a software called house Call for pricing and billing.

805
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 3: The prices are set with a few ways to alter them,

806
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: like a digital cartel. Some of the prices are three

807
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 3: hundred to four hundred percent markups. Some are higher. For example,

808
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: a twenty five pounds can of free on is three

809
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine dollars at contractor prices. I was

810
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: billed nine hundred and thirty eight dollars for ten pounds

811
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: at my home. Yeah, and our service plumber continues. Nutcase

812
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: was called to set three toilets for a customer who

813
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: provided the toilets. The bill was seven hundred and fifty bucks.

814
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 3: Just let you know this pricing, dynamic pricing is in

815
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 3: other trades as well as in the real estate industry.

816
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: Love the show. Really appreciate the way you all try

817
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 3: to stay non biased on most topics. Sometimes, I know

818
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: it gets hard to do that. Keep up the good work.

819
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 3: This is what got me because it came in. This

820
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 3: correspondence came in the same time the Walmart news broke

821
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: and in defense to that earlier point, you anticipated their no.

822
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: In defense, it is siss a fia to have to

823
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: go through because the folks who are changing those physical tags,

824
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 3: they're usually working overnight. It's like long division. There aren't

825
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: a ton of shortcuts, right or good audio editing, They're

826
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: not a ton of shortcuts. So you have to go

827
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: product by product, rip off the little you know, three p.

828
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: Fifty nine and then put in the little three forty

829
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: nine and you start to think, what is life?

830
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: I was telling you guys off air, I just went

831
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: a store to get something for my son. Yeah, And

832
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: while I was in there, the employees were doing a

833
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,439
Speaker 2: exactly what you're describing, going around and changing all of

834
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 2: the price tags on all of the stuff. And it's

835
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 2: interesting because it was such a monotonous thing to do

836
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 2: that took so much time. It was just crazy to

837
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 2: watch it happen at the entire time I was in

838
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 2: the store, which is like forty five minutes or something.

839
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with the idea, though it seems inevitable, like

840
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 3: you were talking about with Best Buy. As long as

841
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: everyone's a good faith actor, this is a actionable solution

842
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 3: and saving money, it's helping people. It's definitely helping the

843
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: psychology or the psychological state and mental wellness of some

844
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 3: of the employees. But still the shadow of surge pricing,

845
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: dynamic pricing looms. Right. It always starts as an incentive,

846
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: the way that Kroger, a popular grocery store here in

847
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 3: the United States, instituted, or i should say deployed the

848
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Speaker 3: Kroger card. Right, give us some of your information and

849
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: at first you will get a discount. But now if

850
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: you go to any Kroger and you don't have that card,

851
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 3: you will essentially be text right wow, just like social

852
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: credit over in China. It starts as an opt in.

853
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: Well, and like any kind of perceived you know, savings

854
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 5: most of the time or whatever. Even we're talking about

855
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 5: like shifting around, you know what, whether we pay tax

856
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: or get more tariffs or whatever, you're paying for it somewhere.

857
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: You're definitely paying for it somewhere.

858
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 5: And in the case of to bring it background to

859
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: what we talked about in the last listener Mail episode,

860
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 5: to bring back around to social media, and if you're

861
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 5: not paying anything for it, then you are the product

862
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 5: the question there.

863
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And with this, I think we're going to ask

864
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 3: our fellow conspiracy realists for more more first hand experience

865
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 3: with what we will call dynamic pricing or surge pricing.

866
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 3: And this goes you know, I thought this was a

867
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: nice thematic thread with the concept of different pricing for

868
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 3: the same drugs in different parts of the world. What

869
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: is the actual price of a thing, a good, or

870
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 3: a service, and indeed who should determine that price? Is

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Speaker 3: there any recourse against bad faith actors here? I don't

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Speaker 3: want to sound cynical, but I am almost entirely certain

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Speaker 3: that digital price tags and brick and mortar stores are

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Speaker 3: going to be the new normal, and I am likewise

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Speaker 3: almost certain that they will be used to manipulate prices

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Speaker 3: to the advantage of the stores.

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Speaker 5: This is interesting, how it's a slow burned kind of

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Speaker 5: or like a frog and boiling water. Where there are

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Speaker 5: certain industries that we totally accept dynamic pricing.

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Speaker 4: We don't like it, but we accept it.

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Speaker 5: Airline tickets, even certain you know, fees and stuff for

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Speaker 5: concert tickets or whatever. More so, the airline thing, hotel

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Speaker 5: room rates, it all fluctuates depending on demand and supply.

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Speaker 5: So it's not that far of a walk to think that.

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Speaker 4: Could eventually just include.

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Speaker 5: We know that McDonald's prices are up one thousand percent

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Speaker 5: year over year or whatever, why not.

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Speaker 4: Just just do that daily?

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Speaker 3: You know, you remember when you could go to the

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Speaker 3: dollar store and things cost just one dollar.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, Remember, I understand we're almost kidding ourselves

892
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Speaker 5: that we're not already being dynamically priced. It just doesn't

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Speaker 5: happen on the daily. It happens over a longer period

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Speaker 5: of time.

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Speaker 3: Just wait till it hits the hospitals. My dudes, it's

896
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Speaker 3: on the way. We can't like that this is going

897
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Speaker 3: to be the conclusion of our listener mail program, we

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Speaker 3: like to end it with a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: letter from home. This is a special one, guys. This

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Speaker 3: is what we can call a letter from home. I

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Speaker 3: r L talked with some locals who who appear to

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Speaker 3: enjoy our podcast. We got made over at Elmere, so

903
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 3: dropped off a book in a little T shirt with

904
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Speaker 3: their buddy Sam, who is opinionated about case ideas.

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Speaker 4: What's his take.

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Speaker 5: Oh, he's for them, not sandwich.

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Speaker 4: I need more than that. Oh we like them Sandwich.

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Speaker 3: I didn't ask him that. We're exercising diplomacy. We've got

909
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 3: to deepen the relationship before we get to the real

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00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: geopolitical issues.

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00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: Break a friendship the.

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Speaker 2: Former security guard MTG.

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Speaker 3: We also know there is a letter from home that

914
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: will shout out to you, Sam. Thanks for supporting the show.

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00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 3: We always love to be able to interact with people

916
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Speaker 3: in the real world.

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Speaker 4: And well Mayor has a fine case Ida. By the way, they.

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Speaker 3: Have a great selection of case IDAs, which is a

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00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: weird sentence to say at our jobs. But they have

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00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: their green burrito with all.

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Speaker 4: The veggies and stuff and the's spicy.

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Speaker 3: Now here's the thing. Here's the thing. Those burritos. Yes, agreed.

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Speaker 3: It is known. They are amazing Elmere burritos. This is

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Speaker 3: the way. However, they're big burritos. Those are like barrel ritos.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I've never eaten one in a single sitting green burrito.

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Speaker 5: Qualified maybe there's a bigger one that I'm not aware of.

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Speaker 5: But it is about you know, forearms.

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Speaker 3: It's like a Popeye forearm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, full of good superpower and beuing veggies.

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Speaker 3: And yes, we also have one letter from home that

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Speaker 3: we might save for later. Stuff they don't want you to.

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00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: Sandwich has given us, as a professional courtesy, a warning

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Speaker 3: about our somewhat controversial discourse on lasagna, tacos and sandwiches.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's that's what I was thinking about. That's

936
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Speaker 2: what I was thinking about with former security guard and

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00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 2: MTG that it was this specific warning.

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Speaker 3: Dude, want to just play it. We'll go on that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it goes.

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00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: He just wants to point out a couple of things.

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Speaker 4: Here we are.

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00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: We're never above corrections and clarification, folks. We're all in

943
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Speaker 3: this together. And we received a courteous diplomatic warning from

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Speaker 3: a colleague of ours.

945
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Speaker 8: Stuff that don't want you to know.

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Speaker 7: It is, I Wayne, stuff that don't want you to standwich.

947
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Speaker 8: And I'm actually calling in response to your most recent

948
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Speaker 8: Listener Male episode where you discuss tacos and lasagna as well.

949
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Speaker 8: Another way to say it, sandwiches directly into my purview.

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Speaker 7: So I'm gonna have to ask y'all to keep your

951
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 7: little podcast, yeah, little podcast to your own bounds. That's

952
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 7: mine that goes into my area, my jurisdiction.

953
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 8: It's stuff they don't wants you to standwich and you

954
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Speaker 8: talk about sandwiches. I mean, it's a blatant violation of

955
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 8: our treaty, and uh, there's probably gonna.

956
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:54,720
Speaker 7: Be some percussions, sanctions, just a new a formal warning,

957
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 7: a professional courtesy, if you will, as a fellow podcaster.

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Speaker 5: I don't have a podcast, Sandwich King.

959
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Speaker 8: I'm a little disappointed, though luckily you didn't bring up

960
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 8: hot dogs, but you were dangerously close.

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Speaker 4: Hot dogs of sandwich hot dogs.

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Speaker 8: Definitely look forward to a call from my fake lawyers

963
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 8: and know that we're no longer friends. Goodbye, Wade, Wade.

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Speaker 3: If this is how it ends, had a good run.

965
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 3: I also look forward to, uh, you will also be

966
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Speaker 3: hearing from our fake lawyers who are world class experts.

967
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 3: By the way, dude in Sandwich law you know and

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Speaker 3: h and I don't know. I just I love these

969
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 3: letters from home because it.

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Speaker 5: So much skin in this game. I don't think I

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Speaker 5: heard his sandwich credential. Maybe I missed it.

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Speaker 2: He is stuff. They don't want to watch Sandandwich so like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh, that's his nickname. Yeah, that's his jurisdiction.

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Speaker 3: It's his jurisdiction.

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Speaker 4: I didn't realize it was so official.

976
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Speaker 3: We're messing with big Sandwich.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it was a missed opportunity that we

978
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Speaker 5: should have gotten his take.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 3: I that's that's why I'm playing this man. I'm hoping Wayne,

981
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Speaker 3: we need we need your boots on the ground, right.

982
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: You're in the deli spiritually here, So tell us what

983
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 3: more people need to know about.

984
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Speaker 2: So well, he's from he was from Philly, so I mean,

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Speaker 2: I bet he's got some sandwich knowledge.

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Speaker 3: Gosh, yeah, what is Oh? No, I remember I ruined

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Speaker 3: our Philly show one time because I asked people for

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Speaker 3: the best Philly sandwich restaurant in Philly.

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Speaker 4: You got Geno's and Pats Those are very Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I thought some folks were talking to us after the

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Speaker 3: live show. But they just came up and argued about

992
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 3: sandwiches in front of us, who was amazing.

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Speaker 5: Ginos and Pats are right next to each other. Those

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Speaker 5: are the kind of the more touristy ones. But then

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Speaker 5: if you really talk to someone who knows their business,

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Speaker 5: they won't even mention those. They'll mention some special hole

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Speaker 5: in the wall off the beaten path, you know, Steak.

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Speaker 3: Join So shout out to Cabeza Devaka, Shout out to

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Speaker 3: Skippy the Prozac Elf. Shout out to Sam I'm calling

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Speaker 3: you the Emperor Casadias from now on. Shout out to

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Speaker 3: our new geopolitical rival stuff. They don't want you to

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Speaker 3: sandwich And big thanks to Ryan and thanks also to

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Speaker 3: everybody who took the time to write in, to contact

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 3: us or support us on social media. Thanks for everybody

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00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 3: who dialed our number. Join up with us. The exploration continues.

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00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 3: Go to the edge of the map and walk with

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Speaker 3: us into the dark. We try to be easy to

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Speaker 3: find online.

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Speaker 4: Find us online at the handle conspiracy Stuff, where we

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00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 4: exist on.

1011
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 5: EXFKA, Twitter, Facebook, where we have our Facebook group Here's

1012
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 5: where it gets crazy, And on YouTube, where we're throwing

1013
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Speaker 5: video content at you, Willy and or nilly. You can

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Speaker 5: and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: If you've got a way to make phone calls, then

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Speaker 2: point your device towards one eight three three st d WYTK.

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Speaker 2: That's us. It's our voicemail system. When you choose to call,

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Speaker 2: give yourself a cool nickname, and then say whatever you'd like.

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Speaker 2: Just do include whether or not we can use your

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Speaker 2: name and message on one of our listener mail episodes

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Speaker 2: such as this one. If you've got more to say

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Speaker 2: they can fit in that three minutes, why not instead

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Speaker 2: send us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities, just realizing that we have a

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Speaker 3: higher level of ethical behavior requirements than the US Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: Drop us a lie, be well aware. Sometimes the void

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Speaker 3: writes back, We'll see you in the dark. Conspiracy at

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Speaker 2: Stuff they don't want you to know is a production

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