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Speaker 2: Big stories, a lot of injuries. Unfortunately, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Dude, we lose the two of the game's best players

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Speaker 1: with Michael Parsons and Patrick Mahomes, which does suck. Like

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Speaker 1: who would have thought we'd be looking in a world

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Speaker 1: where we're looking at playoffs without Patrick Mahomes, a Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers team without Michael Parsons. George Yeah, no, George No,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, yep, all these.

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Speaker 2: Guys possibly know. Lamar Jackson, I think I think the

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Speaker 2: Raymonds might make it. They're they're they're iffy, they're on

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Speaker 2: they're in the hunt, or they're back.

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Speaker 1: In the possibly Philip Rivers playing in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna happen. You never know, bro,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen. I love you know what,

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Speaker 2: Let's get our Let's get our our Monday bro, our

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Speaker 2: Monday interview on here, Greg, Greg, how do you feel

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Speaker 2: about Philip Rivers being forty four years old clearly has

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Speaker 2: a not only a dad bob, but a grandpa bod

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Speaker 2: going out there against one of the saltiest defenses and

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Speaker 2: winning that game for what three quarters? Yeah, three and

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Speaker 2: a half quarters before they kick a field goal at

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Speaker 2: the end of the game to win, Like, how incredible

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Speaker 2: is it for you? Just be like, Yo, look at

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Speaker 2: this man doing his thing who's older than all.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he won the game for fifty nine minutes in

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Speaker 3: thirty seconds, is right? I mean, you know, I can't

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Speaker 3: imagine what he feels like this morning. Yeah, he has

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Speaker 3: to feel just I can't even process how bad he

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Speaker 3: feels and sore. But I do think he wakes up

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Speaker 3: the hell guys do, and he's like that was pretty

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Speaker 3: fucking awesome. Yeah, Like, I just came off the bench

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Speaker 3: cold coaching high school ball. Haven't trained. I mean, he's

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Speaker 3: worked out, but there's a difference between training and working out,

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Speaker 3: And I just went against arguably the best team in

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Speaker 3: one of the hardest places in football to play for

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Speaker 3: a decade, and took my team down on a game

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Speaker 3: winning game to take the lead in what could have

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Speaker 3: been a game winning field goal. Only that and then

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Speaker 3: obviously have your heart broken by giving up a game

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Speaker 3: winning field goal. So I actually think he wakes up

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Speaker 3: he walks around his house with his twelve kids, and

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Speaker 3: he walks around that high school of those boys that

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Speaker 3: he coaches, and he's like, any more questions, who's the

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Speaker 3: baddest dude around because it's me bro questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's just nuts to see. And you're

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Speaker 2: watching the game and everyone tunes, and I love I

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Speaker 2: love that the Colts they understand like, hey, it's great season,

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Speaker 2: We also starting quarterback are guy we traded for. He's

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Speaker 2: been hurt, and they're like, hey, let's just let's make

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Speaker 2: something out of nothing here. Let's call this old guy

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Speaker 2: who are head coaches of this outstanding relationship with and

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Speaker 2: is hey, give us your best sixty minutes right now

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Speaker 2: for the next three four weeks and let's just enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: And a game that no one would have tuned into.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the ratings were out of control about and

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Speaker 2: it's just amazing. Then watching Rivers like kind of go back.

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Speaker 2: He goes to like hitch step up in the pocket

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Speaker 2: wooh fuck, that was a close one. Stagnanmit that was

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Speaker 2: a bit of a deal there, and he just dude,

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Speaker 2: he just does his thing. See some throws out to

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Speaker 2: that's what you're gonna get. That's what you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: with the boy quick decisions. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: He's changing plays. Like I watched that game and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: Colts have a shot to get in the playoffs. I

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers like come back like five years, Like, man,

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Speaker 1: is this forty four year old gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: do it? To Whard. Now I'm towards the end of

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Speaker 1: the game, I'm like, yo, I'm not counting the Colts

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Speaker 3: Have them next week. I'm so excited. So we have

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Speaker 3: their game against Jacksonville next week. I'm with you, Will,

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Speaker 3: I'm like genuinely excited to call his game. I hope

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Speaker 3: he makes it. Yeah, I hope they It's got to

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Speaker 3: stay alive for at least one more week because I'm

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Speaker 3: doing their game in Indye in two weeks when Jacksonville

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Speaker 3: the AFC, and it's a more interesting game, and I'm

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Speaker 3: more excited about the game with the potential of him

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Speaker 3: being the quarterback. For sure, he's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna make it through the forty nine ers. Yeah, forty

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Speaker 2: nine ers. They got Jaguars and they got the Texans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah he didn't. He didn't exactly come back for a

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Speaker 1: No doubt.

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Speaker 2: But if you're if you're like looking at that jan

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Speaker 2: fourth game or whatever the last game of the year

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Speaker 2: is for them, you've got to hope that either the

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Speaker 2: not really fighting for anything. And if they are, like

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Speaker 2: Will Anderson and Daniel Hunter, they are getting pulled to

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Speaker 2: the side for the game, like hey, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Just lay him down, just don't kill the man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the bit of like Kevin Hart when

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Speaker 2: he was on and I don't know if it was

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Speaker 2: he was talking about how you have to like put

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Speaker 2: the quarterback down now. Then they pick him up and

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Speaker 2: they lay him down, they get him a pillow, Like

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Speaker 2: that's what I need them to do with Philip Rivers, like,

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Speaker 2: we got to protect this man at all costs.

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Speaker 3: Texas are as a country, as a country, we need

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Speaker 1: The Texans that game, it's probably gonna be a winning

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Speaker 1: in game for the Texans. That sucks that, that's I'm

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Speaker 1: just because the Jaguars are playing good football. Bro. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: right now they're on top. Right now, they're on top.

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Speaker 1: Big game. They both this is uh, this is Texas

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Speaker 1: Jaguars this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, this one's gonna be a decider, yea.

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Speaker 2: They both sitting run the same record right now. You

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Speaker 3: The Raiders are really bad. They're just and we and

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Speaker 3: we felt like we talked about it for three quarters

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Speaker 3: because the game was pretty much decided pretty quickly. Philly

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Speaker 3: played well. Philly did every thing they needed to coming in.

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Speaker 3: Jalen had some nice deep balls, they used him as

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Speaker 3: in the fourth the game was over. Aj Brown had

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Speaker 3: a nice deep touchdown, so they checked. The defense is nasty. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: pitching a shutout in the NFL is not easy to do,

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Speaker 3: so I think from the Eagle standpoint, you check the box,

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Speaker 3: They've got decision problems. They got to figure out what

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Speaker 3: they're They've ready fired two of their three coordinators. They

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Speaker 3: didn't make it through their first season. You know who's

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Speaker 3: the quarterback of the future. They traded for Gina, who

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Speaker 3: I love as a guy. He was a teammate of

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Speaker 3: trade for him, they give him seventy five million. I

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Speaker 3: think they completely misjudged how close that roster was to winning.

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Speaker 3: You know, you trade for Gino, you give up a

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Speaker 3: You put them behind an offensive line that might be

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Speaker 3: the worst in the league. If not, they're in. They're

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Speaker 3: in the running. You don't even know gent D's on

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Speaker 3: It's just he's it's meaningless to have a running back

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Speaker 3: on a team that's never winning and can't block anybody,

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Speaker 3: so it's just not an impactful position. Brock Bauers is

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Speaker 3: a stud. They're two best players are brock Bauers and

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Speaker 3: Max Crosby, and the problem is neither one of them

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Speaker 3: that's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do, Like, what do you do

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Speaker 1: in this situation where you invest and you think you're

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Speaker 1: you're closer than you really are and you have all

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Speaker 1: these problems roster wise, coaching staff wise, Like, what do

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Speaker 1: you do, Like, say, Pete Carroll's the guy next year,

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Speaker 1: what do you look at doing first? Is it again,

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Speaker 1: You're you're in a situation where you're always playing from behind.

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Speaker 1: So to your point, you're never really able to use

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Speaker 1: Max Crosby to the best of his ability. Do you

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Speaker 1: look at moving Max Crosby to get some draft equity

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Speaker 1: to just start looking to fill all of these holes

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Speaker 1: everywhere else?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So I think it's a complicated. So if I

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Speaker 3: played like Magic GM for a day, ye, you know

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Speaker 3: what would be my first First off? You need to

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Speaker 3: and you need to have a real honest assessment about

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Speaker 3: where are we and how close are we to our

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Speaker 3: competitive cycle? Right? And I think that was part of

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Speaker 3: the issue a year ago. You hire a guy like

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Speaker 3: Pete Carroll who's not used to losing, he has won

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Speaker 3: ten plus games, it feels like forever. Yeah, obviously from

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Speaker 3: college and then what he did in Seattle. You're hiring

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the biggest issue that you're dealing with is that

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Speaker 3: I thought Denver had a really impressive win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely. I think when it comes to AFC,

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Speaker 2: It's like, Yo, it's the Broncos And if bo Nix

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Speaker 2: Now is when you take a hitage of all those things,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they could get that one seed and then

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Speaker 2: second because before this game where I think they got

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, he's in a press conference. He goes, I

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Speaker 2: which is thrown around all over the place, but truly,

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow is a generational talent. Does he want to

434
00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,320
Speaker 2: trade his when he retire? What he want to do?

435
00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: Goes into this game, gets goose ech those multiple interceptions,

436
00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,280
Speaker 2: and he got Jamar Chase in the postgame press conference

437
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Speaker 2: saying I've never had to uplift Joe Burrow in my life.

438
00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,600
Speaker 2: It seems like that's where I kind of have to go.

439
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 2: Now He's done that for me, so I need to

440
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Speaker 2: do that for him. Because Joe Burrow has this crazy

441
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,480
Speaker 2: body language about him. This is more of an open discussion.

442
00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: I want to put you just like, hey, Greg, what

443
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: would you do? But like, where do we feel like

444
00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,160
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's at right now? As far as his career.

445
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,639
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants to be done playing. There's

446
00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,919
Speaker 1: got to be something going on off the field in

447
00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 1: my opinion, based on just a little clues or nuggets

448
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,439
Speaker 1: because he alluded to I want to say. A reporter

449
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,320
Speaker 1: asked him when he said he wasn't having fun and

450
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: whatever else, and the guy in the audience was like,

451
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,359
Speaker 1: is there it football stuff. Is it personal stuff? He's like,

452
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: you know, a little bit of everything. And then for

453
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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase to he also said a personal I'm not

454
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Speaker 1: going to say eluded, but he brought up the word personal,

455
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Speaker 1: like when he said, I've never been in the spots

456
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Speaker 1: where I've had to uplift Joe Burrow. I don't know

457
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Speaker 1: what's going on personally, blah blah blah, but I feel

458
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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be there for him the same way

459
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Speaker 1: He's been there for me. There could be something going

460
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Speaker 1: on and nobody knows about. Yeah, I don't think he

461
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Speaker 1: wants to be done playing football. I think he just

462
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Speaker 1: wants to be on a winning football team, you know

463
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Speaker 1: what I mean?

464
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think it's a lot of that.

465
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Speaker 3: And again, we never know. It's it's so easy to

466
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Speaker 3: judge these guys and say, oh man, how good do

467
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Speaker 3: they have it? You don't know what's going on behind

468
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,960
Speaker 3: the scenes. I think that's all real guys are still

469
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 3: living lives outside of the world of professional football, and

470
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Speaker 3: it certainly takes a toll. But my I guess without

471
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Speaker 3: having any real intimate knowledge into the situation, my experience

472
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Speaker 3: of just being around guys and hearing the way they

473
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Speaker 3: talk and whatnot. This feels to me like a guy

474
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Speaker 3: who's saying, I know I'm really good. I didn't play

475
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Speaker 3: good yesterday. I think he was very honest about his

476
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Speaker 3: assessment yesterday, and that's okay. It felt like an outlier,

477
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: felt like kind of a one off game. But I

478
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Speaker 3: sense a guy that is tired of losing, right, I'm

479
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 3: tired of scoring thirty plus points and losing. Everybody else

480
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: around the league scores twenty and they win twenty five,

481
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Speaker 3: they win thirty, and it's a foregone conclusion. You win.

482
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Speaker 3: How Come I'm on this team that over the last

483
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Speaker 3: two years, I've scored thirty four points six times in

484
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Speaker 3: a loss. That's not fun. It does people like, oh,

485
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Speaker 3: but you're making so much money. You're making this we

486
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Speaker 3: all know, like the money and all that after you

487
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Speaker 3: signed that contract and that rush is gone. The football

488
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 3: is still what matters. Coming into a locker room of

489
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Speaker 3: a winner is very different coming into the locker room

490
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Speaker 3: of a winner of a loser, regardless of how much

491
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Speaker 3: money you make. And I think these last couple of years, really,

492
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Speaker 3: since the Super Bowl, it's been a steady decrease, especially

493
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Speaker 3: on the defensive side of the ball. They can't get

494
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Speaker 3: that right. They're firing coaches. Hendrickson's not playing. He's their

495
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: best player, Like they're not good on defense. He feels

496
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Speaker 3: like he carries the entire weight of the organization, which

497
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 3: he does on his back offensively and quarterback. And obviously

498
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 3: he's been through some injuries and he's battling and he's rehabbing,

499
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Speaker 3: and he's rushing back to a four and eight team,

500
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Speaker 3: trying to claw his way back into the playoffs. Every

501
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 3: single season they're in the same boat. They're four and eight,

502
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: they're three and seven, and it's like, hey, win every game.

503
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Speaker 3: Well he did it last year. They won every game

504
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Speaker 3: down the stretch. They don't make the playoffs. He comes back,

505
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Speaker 3: he gets him to four and eight. It's got to

506
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Speaker 3: win every game. He loses a heartbreaker to Josh Allen

507
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 3: to get shut out, and now the season's over. I

508
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,280
Speaker 3: think he's mentally worn out. I feel like he's a

509
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Speaker 3: guy that's saying, I'm in the prime of my career

510
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Speaker 3: when I'm healthy, I'm arguably the best quarterback in the league,

511
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Speaker 3: and I'm tired of losing. And I don't blame him.

512
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's like too being a part of

513
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Speaker 1: a tough organization or a bad culture, like going into work,

514
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Speaker 1: Like anybody who goes into work and like, let's say

515
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Speaker 1: you have a bad day or you have a bad week, right,

516
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 1: you have a bad moment. If you've got a lot

517
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: of good people around you and you're around a good

518
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: organization with a good culture, you'll get out of that

519
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: pretty quick. Like we've been in locker rooms to where

520
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: you're winning football team, you have a bad day or

521
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: you have a bad game, and just to feel when

522
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: you go in the locker room or going to the

523
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Speaker 1: building the next day, it's it's completely different than when

524
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Speaker 1: you have a bad day or have a bad game

525
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: and you lose and you go into a locker room

526
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: where it's just it's quiet, like everybody knows there's stuff

527
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Speaker 1: going on, even the culture. When you go into the

528
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Speaker 1: facility of the next day, whether organizationally from the top down,

529
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Speaker 1: you just feel like you're in a bad situation. Having

530
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: to do that day in and day out. It absolutely

531
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 1: wears on you to the point where it's like, yeah,

532
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: the dude's just beat down, he's tired of being he

533
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: does know, Like this is one of the best players

534
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he's just been on this he's

535
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Speaker 1: just been on this shit team for the last year.

536
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Speaker 2: It's not even day in and day out, month and

537
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: a month out. This has been a year in and

538
00:23:57,840 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: year round job for Joe Burrow.

539
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Speaker 1: And it's like if you.

540
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Speaker 2: Go into multiple off seasons and the issues that you've

541
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: had have not been addressed. And I know I know

542
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: the issues that they have. We've all talked about. We

543
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier with the Broncos, Like Broncos are

544
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: in a great spot because they have all the pieces

545
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 2: and a quarterback in the first in his first contract.

546
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: Now you have Joe burwho's making half a billion dollars

547
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Speaker 2: or whatever his contract is, and it's like every year

548
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, their defense sucks and their offensive line

549
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: gives up sex and every year we're having the same conversation.

550
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Speaker 2: Now we're here three years later saying twenty twenty five,

551
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: it's December, the defense sucks and the offensive line gives

552
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: up sacks. So if I'm Joe Burrow, yeah, I'm pretty

553
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: fed up with the situation and just wondering, like, like,

554
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 2: if it's not gonna get fixed in three years, maybe

555
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: I need to go somewhere else where it is fixed.

556
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: But the argument can also be made is it's not

557
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 2: I was good. On the other side, no other team

558
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Speaker 2: has t Higgins and Jamar Chase and that Tindan was

559
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: it giseki is how you say it? Like those type

560
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 2: of weapons, they're just they grow on trees, like maybe

561
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Speaker 2: the Vikings. You can find yourself in that Si Stafford's Stafford,

562
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 2: those rams, Like those pastures are greener, those pastors are

563
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: pretty damn green those But it's like that has to

564
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 2: be the fit. Like if it's like Doe Burrow's going

565
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: to go to the Raiders or he's going to go

566
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 2: to the Jets, or he's going a Steelers, He's like, no, bro,

567
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: Like you're not going to be happier there because you're

568
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: not going to have the weapons that you have that

569
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: are even comparable anywhere else other than probably two teams.

570
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Speaker 1: Joe smart enough, he would know he's end up with

571
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Speaker 1: the Raiders or the Jets.

572
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, brings up the question everybody always asks,

573
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Speaker 3: and I'm not sure there's a clear cut answer. You know,

574
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 3: they're paying fifty plus million, it might maybe more than that.

575
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Speaker 3: Off the top of my head how much they're paying

576
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Speaker 3: to t Higgins and Jamar Chase. Right, So you're paying

577
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 3: all that money there, would you rather have a fifty

578
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: million dollar offensive line or fifty million dollar wide receivers?

579
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 3: It's a tough I can make an argument each way, Right,

580
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: what kind of system am I running? What's the you know,

581
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 3: where's the load? Where's the stress? So I think there's

582
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 3: a lot of nuance to it, but I think it's

583
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,120
Speaker 3: a fair question. And you look at what they're doing

584
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 3: with the Rams. Yeah, oh Pooking Akua, the pat Pooking

585
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Speaker 3: a coup is a fifth round pick making no money.

586
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams is on is a veteran who last year

587
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: couldn't do a thing in Jets. Not because he's not amazing.

588
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 3: He's incredible. It's a better fit, but he's not making

589
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 3: thirty five million dollars. He's not making tough to your

590
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 3: wide receiver money. So you can't pay everyone, right, and

591
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: the second you start paying a quarterback sixty and a

592
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirty and better draft incredible it's and we

593
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: see it time and time again. There's great rosters with

594
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Speaker 3: good young quarterbacks making no money. They're highly competitive and

595
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: then there's the couple quarterbacks that can mask the problems

596
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: of a bad roster. But even they can't do it anymore,

597
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 3: even Mahomes and Josh Allen and Burrow. I mean, these

598
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: guys are as good as it gets, and the roster

599
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 3: holes right now. Of the group, the only one that's

600
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Speaker 3: still holding on is Josh Allen. Yeah, and he's doing

601
00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 3: it without literally without a receiver. Right. It's a great

602
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 3: after catch and right. Yeah, but I'm talking about traditional

603
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: compared to Justin Jefferson, who can I'm talking like a

604
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 3: traditional x Z receiver. It's this, it's a really hard

605
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 3: balance with how much money certain guys take and if

606
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna allocate a certain amount of percentage, such a

607
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 3: high percentage of your cap to certain players, which of

608
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 3: course you have to, they have to be able to hold.

609
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: They better be able to fill the holes that are

610
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: inevitably gonna come, and you better draft incredibly well around them.

611
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now, playing now that we have more information, playing hindsight,

612
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 1: armchair quarterback, it's one thousand percent. You want a fifty

613
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Speaker 1: million dollars line when you got a quarterback like Joe Burrow.

614
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you have a fifty million dollar O line.

615
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 3: He's not throwing at Jamar Chasen t exactly.

616
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm thinking Joe Burrow is so good. Like, yeah,

617
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase and T Higgins they're they're animals. But I'm

618
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: thinking you got to you gotta keep be like Joey

619
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Speaker 1: b Like again, you see it with Josh Allen. He

620
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: doesn't have a whole lot of wide receivers to work with,

621
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Speaker 1: and he, you know, he's out there making it happen.

622
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: You can make a you know, an average wide receiver

623
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: look good. You can make a good wide receiver look great.

624
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: You can go out there and grab you know, if

625
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: you fortunately could draft like a Pooka Nakou in the

626
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: fifth round. Obviously I'm talking on my ass saying that.

627
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: But if you do draft well and then you go

628
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: out and have find somebody a receiver that's got a

629
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: higher ceiling than what he showed the previous year with

630
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Devonte Adams when he was with the Jets, you'd be

631
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 1: able to. You'd be able to, you'd be able to

632
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: figure it out. I believe in free agency, if you

633
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: had a foundational piece of the offensive line protecting your

634
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: best asset on the team, the.

635
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Speaker 2: Thing that I'm thinking of right now is the viewer

636
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: watching the show who is working their ass off, working

637
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: paycheck to paycheck, and not just saying to us three

638
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: guys who play in the NFL, Well, if Joe Burrow

639
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: wants this so bad, why wouldn't he take less money?

640
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's.

641
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: What you got sixty?

642
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: Hey, I thought you follow follow up.

643
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 2: That's what I'm like. People who don't play in the NFL.

644
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: People who don't like understand like, hey, it's not for long,

645
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Speaker 2: this doesn't last forever. You want to accumulate as much

646
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Speaker 2: wealth as you possibly can for generational stuff. They're sitting

647
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,239
Speaker 2: there and theyre saying, well, the answer seems like it's

648
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 2: pretty simple to me. Take less money so you can

649
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: get a better offensive line and a defense.

650
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Speaker 1: Fair.

651
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Speaker 3: Well, So there's two there's two arguments, one on each side,

652
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Speaker 3: like normal, Right, you make the one argument that, yeah,

653
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: instead of making sixty, can you make fifty? Is your

654
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: life really going to be different?

655
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: Right?

656
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 3: That's a valid argument. You can spread that ten million

657
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 3: around your roster, and you do that over multiple years,

658
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden you have a better team.

659
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 3: That's fair. Right. Brady did that a lot and been

660
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 3: heavily talked about. There's also the side that those top

661
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 3: tier guys, there is an obligation that it's your job

662
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 3: to raise the ceiling. Right, it's your job because once

663
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, I'm just gonna make up that he's you know,

664
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Speaker 3: let's say he's the highest paid quarterback. Well, when it's

665
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: Jordan loves turn, or it's Drake May's turn, right, these

666
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: next young guys, when it's Drake May's turn, If Drake

667
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: May doesn't jump, whoever the highest paid guy now is.

668
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 3: You never reset the market. And you're not only resetting

669
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: the market for the top guy. As the top quarterback

670
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: makes sixty, the second tier now makes thirty five. If

671
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: the top quarterback's only making fifty, the middle tier is

672
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: only making twenty five. So you're bringing everybody up with

673
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: you when you continually reset the market. So the other

674
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Speaker 3: to the counter, and this is what every agent in

675
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: the world of course is selling his client. You owe

676
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: it to the league, You owe it to the other

677
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: quarterbacks to elevate the market and to reset it if

678
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: you have the ability to reset it. So there's a

679
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 3: very double edged sword there, right, like, do you owe

680
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: it to the league, do you owe it to the

681
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: market and of course yourself or is your obligation to

682
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 3: balancing the books on behalf of your front office and

683
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: doing their job for them, right, because the Eagles certainly

684
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: don't have a talent problem, right. And the Eagles are

685
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: paying aj Brown and they're Lane Johnson, and they're paying

686
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: my Alotta, and they're paying Jalen Hurts and they're paying

687
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley. And I mean, but why can't you pay

688
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 3: all them because you drafted Jalen Carter, and you drafted

689
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: Jordan Davis, and you signed Zach Bond. I know they've

690
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 3: given him an extension since, but he's not a top

691
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: tier they sign him in a one year veteran deal

692
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: two years ago, or last year, you draft Cooper Dejen

693
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: you got, you draft Quinon Mitchell.

694
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Nikobe Dean, Yeah yeah.

695
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: N Kobe Dean. And we can go on and on

696
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 3: and on about the guys that they've drafted who make

697
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 3: no relatively, they don't make big money in the scope

698
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: scope of the NFL. That's how you keep that roster

699
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: looking the way it does. If they miss on all

700
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: those picks, and those guys stink and they now need

701
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: to go out and free agency and fill those gaps.

702
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: You only get a j Brown or DeVante Smith. You

703
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 3: either get Lane Johnson or Jordan Mylotta. You don't get

704
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: Saquon And it has a Yeah, it's just the nature

705
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: the game. So like the argument the quarterback would be

706
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 3: draft better.

707
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because the meat you do, you know, balance

708
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: the books of the organization. You now give power to

709
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: the owners. Like when you're in this battle of player

710
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: versus ownership and getting paid what the market says, you

711
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: now give owners leverage too. Now they're they're saying that

712
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: with all the other deals they're trying to sign with

713
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: their quarterbacks that they're trying to keep, it's like, well,

714
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals over here, Joe Burrow did this, like we

715
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: need you to kind of be a selfless person here, right,

716
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: take less money so that way we can make a

717
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: better roster.

718
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Yep, yep.

719
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 3: And then the left tackle wants to negotiate a new deal,

720
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: and they go, well, Joe Burrow just took a hometown discount,

721
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: so if he can do it, why don't you.

722
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: Right now the negotiating, the leverage goes towards the team, right.

723
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just so many there's just so many layers

724
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 3: to it. It sounds so easy, you know, and I

725
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: save you ten million a year. Is there a guarantee

726
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 3: that you're not going to blow that? Yeah, you give

727
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 3: it to some guy who stinks you're better off giving

728
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: it to me.

729
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: Right right, I'm approving.

730
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's a lot of there's a lot of

731
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 3: nuance to a lot of those things. But yeah, i'm

732
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 3: the surface. Not being the highest paid player certainly helps

733
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: keep your team better in theory, but now there's an

734
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: execution component.

735
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 2: It makes me think about Kirk Cousins and what he

736
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 2: was trying to start when he left Washington, which is

737
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: do you take less money but it's all fully guaranteed.

738
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: And now you're starting to work through the process again

739
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 2: of hey, you know when you sign these ninety million

740
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: dollar deals in sixty if it's guaranteed, well, willia's just

741
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: a sixty million dollar deal and you're hoping to get

742
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: the other thirty Like why not? Like maybe that's the

743
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: process now where these top tier quarterbacks you're taking five,

744
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: ten million less dollars, but thirty more is guaranteed on

745
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: the back end, Like that's a win. Yeah, possibly for

746
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: everybody there now there's a new fight taking place where

747
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: these fully guaranteed contracts are happening, which you know depends

748
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: on what side of the fence you sit on when

749
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: it comes to that stuff.

750
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was always the approach that I took. Right Like, again,

751
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: this is a fun kind of higher level like approach

752
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: standpoint that I think is interesting to dive into. But

753
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: like me personally, my approach was always it didn't matter

754
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: to me that I was ever the highest paid, the

755
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: third highest paid, the fifth highest paid, the tent that

756
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: never really mattered to me, right Like, I always took

757
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 3: extensions in advance just because I knew I played a

758
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: position where at any moment it could be done. Yeah,

759
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: but then I also always bet on myself and saying

760
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 3: I might sign on an annual basis a less contract

761
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 3: than a guy that I might feel like I'm better then,

762
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: But because I took an extension, I didn't make free agency.

763
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 3: He's going to make more on an annualized basis. But

764
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make the entire contract, right like I'm gonna

765
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: play the entire I'm gonna get the max value of

766
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: that contract, which might be a little bit less over

767
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: fixed number of years. I'm gonna make it all you.

768
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 3: I make five million and you make seven. But you

769
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: only made two years of it, and then you got hurt,

770
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: you stopped training, you got cut. You weren't as good

771
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 3: as me. But I made it for five years. Who

772
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 3: signed the better contract?

773
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: You did?

774
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: I signed the better contract because you got two of

775
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: the five years at seven, so you made fourteen. I

776
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: got five of the for twenty five. I did better

777
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 3: than you. That was always personally my approach, where I

778
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: didn't need to make the most per year. I was

779
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: gonna make every single year of it for fourteen years

780
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 3: and just play the long game. That was always my approach.

781
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, when I was sitting in the position to have

782
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: make get a second contract, I was sat down by

783
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: Tom Condon and Pat Collins at CAA and they're like, hey,

784
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: everyone's looking at Apy like everyone wants to know your

785
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: average pay per year. Really the move is we're trying

786
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: to set the record for the guarantee. That's what we

787
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: want to get for you. And it's when they were

788
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: able to break that down for me because I was

789
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: a little more great. I'm like, well, this guy's making

790
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 2: this much per year. I want to make X y

791
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: and z more per year. And then really when they

792
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 2: turned my focus to, hey, what you're really focused on

793
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,959
Speaker 2: over here is the guarantee, that's when it's like, oh shit,

794
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: you're right, because then things go to hell like it

795
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: kind of did towards the end of my career where

796
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 2: it was like shit's just falling apart and left and right.

797
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, I get to lean on this guarantee

798
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: that I have to be a little more safe.

799
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm just wonder if i'd get a signing bonus.

800
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: No doubt, you know what I mean, that signed yeah,

801
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 2: and it's it's yeah.

802
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: I get I can get one hundred and twenty and

803
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: that in that signing bonus with this contract.

804
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 2: It's so interesting.

805
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: Don't get that.

806
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: It's so interesting with the money thing because when you

807
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 2: get into the league and you're drafted, even being drafted

808
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: in the first round, and everything's like it was the

809
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 2: new CPA, so like everyone's kind of slotted. You get drafted,

810
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 2: you get your signing bonus, but then you're working through

811
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 2: your rookie car like minimums every single year because there's

812
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: all frontloaded that signing bonus, which is great, forty eight hours.

813
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: It's like Okay, that was awesome. Bank account looks great.

814
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: But now I gotta worry about actually putting a product

815
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: in the field that's not disgusting and people hate me for.

816
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: And you're looking at these eight, nine, ten year vets

817
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 2: that are making ten, eleven, twelve per year and you're like, bro,

818
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 2: what are they bitching about when they're making that much money?

819
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: And then you become the guy that's making that and

820
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 2: you realize quickly like, yeah, that goes away, and it's

821
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's it might sound selfish to the casual person,

822
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: but like once the money is the contract sign, it's

823
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: like you're only thinking about football from then on. If

824
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,319
Speaker 2: you truly care about the game.

825
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: It's psychousing, stinks, dropping the game winning pass, giving up

826
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 3: three sacks in a game you don't wake up Monday ago. Well,

827
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: it's not that bad because they make a lot of money.

828
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 3: It's probably worse.

829
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're absolutely, it's probably worse.

830
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: You feel shittier, right.

831
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: If if you're a guy that loves the team and

832
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: use ball like chandles.

833
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: Are, if you don't give a shit, you're probably not

834
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 3: that like it typically is all hand in hand.

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, voice.

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Speaker 1: back to this football weekend recap with Greg Olsen on

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Speaker 1: Busting with the Boys. You know, everybody's waking up this

882
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: morning in New England just feeling like dog shit.

883
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: Dog shit. But that's also we talked about when you

884
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: walk into a locker room with a team that's like,

885
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: you know, there's a bunch of issues. If you're the Patriots,

886
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: you're coming off of bye Mike Rabel up until yesterday

887
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: was undefeated off of a bye week. They lose this game,

888
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a level of like, oh no, no, no, no, no,

889
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: we messed it up. We were up twenty one zero,

890
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: twenty four to seven. We should have put that game

891
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: away in the second half and we got lazy and

892
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: there's a new fire that's taking place in a province.

893
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was probably the best thing to happen to

894
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots, no doubt, dude.

895
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 3: So I got a question though, for Will When when

896
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: did the momentum of that game switch.

897
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Speaker 1: Right out of the second half? Yeah, right out of

898
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Speaker 1: the second half when they kickoff back and it's like

899
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: they win that.

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00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 3: Explain that to me. How you are You're up twenty

901
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 3: one and you have all the momentum and then you lose.

902
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 3: I don't get it.

903
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: God, handle yourself, bro, there's nothing. Gregg's right, No, he's not.

904
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Speaker 1: And tell them what you're talking about. When the Buffalo

905
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Speaker 1: Bills came.

906
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Speaker 2: Out coming out of halftime, yah, coming out half after

907
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 2: adjustments were made, understanding that the momentum is on the patriotside,

908
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: we need to string plays together.

909
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Rallying light fire. Hey, we're going to come off, so we're.

910
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: Getting this ball.

911
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: We're getting this ball.

912
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. The game plan we walked in with

913
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: is clearly not the game plan we needed to win.

914
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Speaker 2: We've seen the plays. This is how we make our adjustments.

915
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: They're also making adjustments. The good thing about being down

916
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: at halftime is you understand your game plan needs to

917
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 2: change when you're up by as much as the Patriots are,

918
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: they're not looking with a critical eye, being like we

919
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: need to change X, Y and Z because everything they

920
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: have is working. Bills made changes. Momentum is a series

921
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: by serious case by case. You can break down all

922
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 2: of it.

923
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 1: It's like a fighter. When the bell rings, you make

924
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: it to the end of the round, you can recreate

925
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: some momentum in that corner.

926
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Speaker 3: Right sounds and to me, it sounds like you guys

927
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: are talking execution, right game plan and plays and the ability.

928
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Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like to me, not emotion and

929
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 3: vibes and feel That's what I'm hearing. Am I wrong?

930
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 2: You are? You are absolutely right, and you'll know this.

931
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: It all goes completely hand in hand. When you have

932
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 2: a game plan and you execute that game plan, that

933
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: momentum rises, and so do the vibes. Believe starts to

934
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: take place. When you're getting that asked bet by three

935
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:27,240
Speaker 2: touchdowns and you've got people tweeting the Patriots week schedule,

936
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: the haters are sick right now type of stuff. You

937
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: you feel a little more confident now the bills coming

938
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 2: like sh okay, it really is just a two score game.

939
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Then they go three and out. Now you're feeling momentum built. Hey,

940
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: they're not as good as we think they are.

941
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: We're all making No I'm trolling.

942
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: Can I ask one more questions?

943
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: Ahead?

944
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 3: Sorry?

945
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: Go ahead?

946
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 3: Well no, go ahead? Well, sorry, go ahead.

947
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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, when greg'sitting there talking about feeling

948
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: vibes emotion, that's what I always feeling when I put

949
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: that tweet out, And I didn't see it flipping on

950
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: me like that whatsoever. I truly did. It's not like

951
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: I'm with you. There's been so much what you treat.

952
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: So it went twenty one to nothing.

953
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: And as you said, I didn't see it.

954
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 2: I said, I here, Uh this is this is twenty

955
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 2: one hours ago. So we are right around the right

956
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: about halftime the Patriots quote week's schedule. Haters are sick

957
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: watching this ass beating on the Buffalo Bills.

958
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they turn it around come back. I

959
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 1: end up having to make a thread of a posting

960
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: the Simba running from the stampede as the Buffalo Bills

961
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: were coming back and momentums everything. Yeah.

962
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 3: Hey, Can I ask another question though? And I'm genuinely.

963
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 3: This is a genuine question. So the Thursday night game,

964
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: Atlanta's down fourteen, they score, they go for two. They fail. Yeah,

965
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: they get the interception, they get the ball, they go

966
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 3: back down and score again. So they've scored back to

967
00:43:54,840 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: back touchdowns. Had all the momentum failed the second point

968
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: after try. I was told the second point after try,

969
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 3: especially after scoring two touchdowns, everyone's feeling so much better,

970
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: you're more likely to get it. Obviously didn't happen. They

971
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: missed them both. The fifteen conversation after the Philly game,

972
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 3: I was told that you should go for two after

973
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: the second touchdown because after scoring two touchdowns in a row,

974
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: you've got all the momentum, you're more likely to convert.

975
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 3: The two point. Didn't happen. I was also told that

976
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: after not tying the game like they would have without

977
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 3: with the two kicks, they would have tied the game,

978
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: the defense was not going to play as motivated and

979
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: was not going to be as the urgency was not

980
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: going to be there because instead of being tied on losing,

981
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: they went out, got the ball right back, and they

982
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: went down to kick the field goal. So I guess

983
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to understand why they kept playing hard

984
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: despite not tying the game, despite having all the momentum.

985
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: They failed the two point try. I'm just trying to

986
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 3: keep try. When the emotions mattered, when the execution mattered,

987
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: when the vibes were good bad, It's hard for me

988
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: to keep track of it.

989
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say, Greg, you won this week, you

990
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: won this battle. The war continues. There will be situations

991
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: now or we'll be right back here and I'll get

992
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: to do the same type of trolling you're doing to

993
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: me right now. I will win this week. I win

994
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: this week.

995
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 3: The outcome no, no, no, See here's the difference. I'm

996
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 3: not saying that I'm right because they won the game.

997
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: I'm laying in bed and like you, I'm getting fired

998
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 3: on Twitter because people like, where's Olsen now going for two?

999
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,479
Speaker 3: They're gonna lose, and I'm sitting there like I would

1000
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 3: still go for two down fourteen. They didn't and they're

1001
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: probably gonna lose. And this definitely is on the other

1002
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 3: camp side, anecdotally seat because again we want to judge

1003
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: the result instead of what's actually happened. Here's the reality

1004
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 3: of all this. If you're down fourteen fifteen thirteen. Any

1005
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: you're probably gonna lose more times than not anyway, so yes,

1006
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: more chances than not you're gonna lose the game. And

1007
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,959
Speaker 3: then you guys see, it was a stupid decision. Being

1008
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 3: down fourteen is not a great strategy. Being down fifteen

1009
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: is not a great strategy. They happened to win the game.

1010
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: And that's my entire point, the mote to put to

1011
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: say that teams are trying less hard more hard. I

1012
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 3: scored two touchdowns, so I'm gonna get the two versus

1013
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: my first touchdown. The defense is no longer tired. But

1014
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 3: I thought they were so tired. They're on their heels,

1015
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: they're reelings their sucking wind. We talk all these cliches.

1016
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: All I'm simply saying is I'm not debating that we

1017
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 3: all haven't felt these things. We all do as humans.

1018
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they don't matter.

1019
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, gosh, can I just say, Greg, having you on

1020
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 2: the show, that was a masterclass, That was a master class.

1021
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: Any vondas at the end of it too, I don't

1022
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: know what that means. Vince fun Vince FONND wedding crashers

1023
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: are they're sucking win, They're not sucking win the defensive sign,

1024
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: but are they really tired? Now we're sitting here and

1025
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: we're thinking, is everybody actually just tired? And it's actually

1026
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 2: a sequelized.

1027
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: He got me to say he won, but he's like,

1028
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: that's that, that doesn't even matter. He got me focused

1029
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 1: on something else. No, No, I'm not even talking about that. Yeah,

1030
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: and then goes on and you know, finishes it off

1031
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: by putting me at your and buckling me in right.

1032
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: And give you a little kiss on the cheek.

1033
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: You want some snatch it again? Hey, hey, you did it,

1034
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: and you did a great job of it.

1035
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: And I will say, like what I was going to

1036
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: say before we jumped into all that was is having

1037
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: you on Mondays has like changed the way I've watched

1038
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: end of games to where I'm I'm leaning on the

1039
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: side of Olsen camp, Like, hey, does motivate, does motivation, momentum?

1040
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: All these things doesn't really matter. When it's like you're

1041
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 2: down by fourteen, you score a touchdown, you go for

1042
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 2: two because you're much more likely to get fifty percent

1043
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: than one hundred percent, so you might as well try

1044
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: to go for it once. Question of the game, right thirty,

1045
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: we're talking about the Buffalo Bills and the Patriots. It's

1046
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 2: thirty five thirty one. Literally took a photo of this

1047
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, I gotta ask what he would

1048
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: do in the situation.

1049
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 3: Wait, catch that game, so.

1050
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 2: You know what pisses me off to and we got

1051
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: to figure this out. I don't have your number. I've

1052
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 2: multiple times have been like, great.

1053
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: Need to be Hey, we'll get it. Let's get a

1054
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: group going.

1055
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: And I've honestly won asket but a place's embarss. So

1056
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 2: we've gone this wrong.

1057
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: I bench press last week. Boys woke up very sore,

1058
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 3: no shit for reps.

1059
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 2: No hoo many.

1060
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 3: Not enough.

1061
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: Brother may as that I've worked out three times. Okay,

1062
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: thirty five thirty one. Now the Patriots, this is the

1063
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 2: Bills are now beating the Patriots. So the Patriots are

1064
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 2: up at one point momentum, the whole thing we're still

1065
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: talking about.

1066
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 3: That got it.

1067
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 2: It's thirty five thirty one. The Patriots are on let's

1068
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: say the thirty yard line, the Bills thirty yard line.

1069
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 2: So if they don't get a first down here, it's

1070
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: essentially the game is over. There's five minutes and nineteen

1071
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: seconds left. It's fourth and twelve. Are you going to

1072
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 2: go for it in this situation and define the game?

1073
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 2: Or is that way out of hand?

1074
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 3: At this point, you're the plus, you're on the plus thirty.

1075
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: You're in a tree, You're you're on the minus side.

1076
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 2: So the Patriots if they turned the ball over, yeah,

1077
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: If the Patriots turn the ball over, god, yeah.

1078
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 3: So they turned it over on downs on the minus

1079
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: thirty down four, right, they went for fourth and twelve

1080
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: and failed.

1081
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 2: They did not go for it. They ended up punting

1082
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 2: it away and while and when they're punting it away,

1083
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, Okay, the Bills at this point and this

1084
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: half have scored so much over you and.

1085
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 3: Have come and what did the Bills do when they

1086
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: got The Bills.

1087
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 2: End up going They end up not scoring, and the

1088
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: Patriots get get the ball again. They get the ball again,

1089
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: they have a two minute, they fail, they end up

1090
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: losing the game. Anyway, I think the result of the

1091
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: game was the same score, thirty five thirty one. I

1092
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: have to look at it.

1093
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: So was this I'm trying to put Yeah, so this

1094
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 3: was the punt. So they punted fourth and twenty trioits

1095
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: punted fourth and twelve.

1096
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 2: I think they're on like the thirty yard line, but

1097
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 2: they're not going in. They're coming out right, soah, fourth

1098
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: and twelve at the twenty five and it's five to

1099
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 2: nineteen left the Bills of nineteen. The Bills have scored like,

1100
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: you know, thirty five to or whatever, twenty eight to

1101
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 2: three in the second half. So you're saying, by punting

1102
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: this ball away, we're I think they're taking a knee

1103
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: based on your logic, because they're gonna go down and

1104
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 2: score again, or they're gonna be able to keep kind

1105
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 2: of doing what they've been doing to you with the

1106
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 2: score this.

1107
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: High, or at the very least, they don't score, but

1108
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 3: they just get you under the two minute warning. They

1109
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: bleed you out the run game. So by being only

1110
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: up four there now fourth and twelve sucks.

1111
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 2: That's a shitty one.

1112
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: It's a shitty one, right, So like that's probably the

1113
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: one asterisk. I'm probably still going for it. And here's

1114
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: why I'm gonna speed up you scoring on me, right,

1115
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 3: I haven't stopped you. You've got thirty five points. I

1116
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: can't stop a soul. You've scored thirty five damn near unanswered.

1117
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: I'm being down four. I'm not afraid I'll give my

1118
00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 3: chances to go for fourth down to maintain possession. If

1119
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 3: I fail, you're probably gonna go run, run, run, kick

1120
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 3: a field goal to go up seven. So obviously I

1121
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 3: can't let you score a touchdown of the game's over.

1122
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, okay, short field, we narrow it down.

1123
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 3: You're trying to bleed clock. You're trying to at least

1124
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: say I gotta come away here with three points. How

1125
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: aggressive are you gonna be? Are you really gonna go

1126
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: for the death shot? Are you gonna be okay kicking

1127
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 3: a field goal? I'm probably okay taking my chances because

1128
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 3: I can still keep it a one possession game at seven.

1129
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: If I'm trailing there by six, now the math turns

1130
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 3: into okay, I let you score. Now it turns into

1131
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 3: a two possession game. But if I punt it back

1132
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 3: to you and you bleed too much clock and still

1133
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 3: kick a field goal, now I really don't have a chance.

1134
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: So all those situations, my brain says, you gotta maintain possession.

1135
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: Even if you give New England the ball on the

1136
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 3: short field, then you've got to hold them to a

1137
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: field goals, maintown seven and give the ball back to Drake.

1138
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: May you punt it away? Did they go three and

1139
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: out and get the ball right back?

1140
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was three and out, but

1141
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 2: they had the ball I think either right before.

1142
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: They got they.

1143
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: Got the ball back.

1144
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: But okay, does it?

1145
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: Does it?

1146
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't mention this would be unfair to

1147
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: you to not bring it up. They have Patriots have

1148
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: all their time out, all their time outs, have all

1149
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: their timeouts rabels. Yeah, so they have all their timeouts.

1150
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 2: It's fourth and twelve. You're backed up on like your

1151
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: twenty five.

1152
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: You're not giving the ball back to Josh Allen at all?

1153
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: Right, you don't want to, so you want to go

1154
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 2: for the fourth score on me.

1155
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm going to do everything in my power to maintain

1156
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 3: possession of the ball.

1157
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: Okay, let's und I know you are, but let's go

1158
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 2: fourth and twelve. Fourth and twelve, they don't get it. Okay,

1159
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 2: So now you're the Bills. You're essentially in your red

1160
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 2: zone fringe area, and I hate that. I can't remember

1161
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: the exact yard line they were on. If you yeah,

1162
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying, do you say we're either going to be

1163
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 2: up by four or up by eleven or is it

1164
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 2: we're going to take the three because in my mind,

1165
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: based on your law, if I'm picking up everything, is

1166
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,839
Speaker 2: this is not a kick of field goal situation even

1167
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: though we're in it, because the amount of touchdowns or

1168
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: the amount of scores it takes is still the same regardless.

1169
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great point, right. Anticipating what is the

1170
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: track record of your opponent is a huge element of

1171
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: how they build all these models, and I think it's

1172
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 3: a really important nuance. So when each team sets these

1173
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 3: scenarios up in these big books that these guys have upstairs,

1174
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 3: where this is all planned out what we do in

1175
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 3: every scenario each week, the math does change a little bit.

1176
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: Everyone has this oh with it's just blanket mathematics that

1177
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't apply to you because your right guard is out,

1178
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: or your left tackle is not good, or your quarterback

1179
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: is hurt. It absolutely takes all that into account. It

1180
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 3: takes into account the team you're playing against. If I'm

1181
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 3: playing against Dan Campbell, I have to really sit down

1182
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: all week and say, Okay, he's going to really be

1183
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 3: aggressive on fourth down, He's not going to settle for

1184
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 3: field goals. He's going to play a certain way. How

1185
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 3: am I willing to alter my strategy that I don't

1186
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: fall too far behind and I lose too many possessions.

1187
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 3: So a big evaluation there for Varibel has to be Okay,

1188
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: I fail here and I give the ball back to

1189
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: McDermott and Joe Brady aside from them wanting to bleed

1190
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 3: clock make me start burning through my timeouts. If I'm McDermott,

1191
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 3: I don't love the idea being up seven because more

1192
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 3: often than not, if you do go down and score,

1193
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 3: you're probably going to go for two. Now with the

1194
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 3: new overtime rules, I'll be curious to see how this

1195
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: plays out over long periods of time. In the old days,

1196
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 3: you went for two and you just said I got

1197
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 3: a chance to win the game. I'm either going to

1198
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 3: win or lose in regulation. Now there is an argument

1199
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 3: with the new each team possessing the ball, maybe that

1200
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: does shift the decision making. I don't think we've seen

1201
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 3: enough quantity of attempts for it to really flush out

1202
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 3: how teams handle end of regulation go for two or

1203
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 3: kick an extra point. But yes, if it's me, I'm

1204
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 3: in four down mode unless it's fourth and fifteen and

1205
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: I'm saying I'm scoring a touchdown at all costs to

1206
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: an sence, make this a two score game, and you

1207
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 3: don't have enough time to have the ball twice. So

1208
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 3: there's a lot of my decisions and the anticipation of

1209
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: what you have to do. That's a really unique situation.

1210
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 3: The fourth and twelve is what gives me a little pause.

1211
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 2: That's what when I saw the fourth and drowls are

1212
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: really curious to see.

1213
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: Hodds are just not great converting that. So fourth and

1214
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: seven are under I'm saying all day, I'm going to

1215
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 3: try to maintain possession fourth and twelve. I could probably

1216
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 3: make a great argument that punting might be the right move.

1217
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: Do I think McDermott's thinking four down mode? Or do

1218
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 3: I think he feels better going from four to seven? Probably?

1219
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 3: I think Again, we talk about this a lot. There's

1220
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: a psychology there where let's say McDermott gets the ball.

1221
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: This is a this is a fun kind of exercise

1222
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 3: because you talk about the postgame press conference. You guys

1223
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 3: know how I feel about that shaping a lot of decisions.

1224
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 3: Let's say that scenario plays out. They go for it, fail,

1225
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 3: give the ball back to Buffalo. Buffalo gets the fourth

1226
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 3: and four and goes for it and fails, and they

1227
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 3: go the length of the field and Drake May walk

1228
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: you off and they win. What's an easy what's an

1229
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: easier postgame press conference that? Or you kick a field goal,

1230
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: Drake May goes down, scores a touchdown, gets the two

1231
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 3: point conversion and beat you, or forces overtime and beat you.

1232
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 1: The easier on's the heart the hardest.

1233
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 3: Those are easier. Those are easier. Hey, we got to

1234
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: get better. Or two minute drive. We gave ourselves a chance.

1235
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 3: We competed right till the end. We came right down

1236
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 3: to the last play of the game. We're right there, right,

1237
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 3: there's this false notion that that way of losing feels better.

1238
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 3: Then I passed up a field goal, and now I

1239
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: open myself up to just losing flat out. That's a

1240
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 3: harder explanation for a coach to face, which is why

1241
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 3: a lot of these coaches are going to error towards

1242
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 3: kick the field goal, go up seven, and you know what,

1243
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 3: if we don't win, our players need to be better.

1244
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 3: This is on the We got to be better on defense.

1245
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 3: We got to be better in two minutes, right Like

1246
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: that's that's the human nature. Of all of this. So

1247
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: I think that's a great scenario because both teams theoretically

1248
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 3: could have had really interesting decisions based on what the

1249
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 3: other team did. So very good decision, very good example, Taylor.

1250
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. I think, uh, but this is

1251
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 2: also where I understand your mindset and everything when it

1252
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: comes to you know, play calling and all that. But

1253
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: momentum doesn't matter. If you look at the second.

1254
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 3: Half, I say it doesn't matter. I'm not saying it's you.

1255
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 1: I say it's not much much.

1256
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 2: Of a factor. But if I'm vable, and I have

1257
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 2: not stopped the Bills at all the entire second half,

1258
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: and my only score in the second half was an

1259
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 2: explosive run play by Hendrick Hendrickson or Henderson Henderson thank

1260
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: you well supposed to be answering. So essentially my offense

1261
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: has been non exists in the second half. I'm based

1262
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: on all of our conversations that we had, I'm thinking

1263
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 2: fourth and twelve, you got to go for it because

1264
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 2: regardless you would think when they I don't think everybody's

1265
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: at this new way of thinking it where they're they're

1266
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: gonna run, run, run, kick the three. And now nothing's

1267
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: changed about the game. It's still a one score game.

1268
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, here's their second half possessions for the Patriots.

1269
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 3: Three plays minus six yards, seven plays, interception, one sixty

1270
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: five yard touchdown, three plays minus seven punt, four plays

1271
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 3: five yards downs. That was their that was their second

1272
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: half possessions. Go.

1273
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's where and here and here was Buffalo touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown,

1274
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 4: punt Neil god.

1275
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 2: So that's where momentum, in my mind is is a

1276
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 2: huge is a big factor. It's like the.

1277
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: How do I want to give the team to the

1278
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 3: better offense, give the ball to the offense with the

1279
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: best player in the league who I can't stop.

1280
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I have a new scenario for you.

1281
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 3: Love it now.

1282
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: This is I'm very curious. Let's say there's less than

1283
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: four minutes left or you're getting toward the end of

1284
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: the game. I want to say this happened in a

1285
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: situation yesterday. I can't recall which game it was, but

1286
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:27,360
Speaker 1: the team scores to go up their six points now

1287
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: gives them a seven point lead before the extra point.

1288
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: Extra point gives them an eight point lead. My question is,

1289
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: in that situation, why would you not think about going

1290
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 1: for two to make it a nine point game. So

1291
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: that way you're getting a true two possession game. Saw

1292
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: which game was that?

1293
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: I saw somebody sent me on on Twitter.

1294
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: I want to say. I want to say, I see

1295
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: somebody else walking or post about it too. I want

1296
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 1: to say, because I want to shout out the boy.

1297
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,919
Speaker 1: I think it's a I saw somebody asking this, Gosh

1298
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: damn it. Jake Maliseak, Jake Malisek with John Gruden. Yeah,

1299
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: over at barstool, he was asking the same thing. And

1300
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: I've been curious about that as well.

1301
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 3: All right, so here's my approach on that. And it's

1302
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,479
Speaker 3: a valid point, right, being up eight versus being up nine.

1303
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 3: Once you go up nine, it's a must two possession game, right,

1304
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 3: you have to score twice. And an eight point game

1305
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 3: is a one score game. Call it half the time, right,

1306
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 3: So chance of it being a one score game, it's

1307
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 3: not a guaranteed one score game. You could need two possessions.

1308
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 3: At nine points, you obviously need two possessions. I want

1309
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 3: to say, there was like eight or nine minutes to

1310
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: go in that game when they kicked the extra point.

1311
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, you can fact check me there, Okay,

1312
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 3: So my typical perspective is at eight or nine, with

1313
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: eight or nine minutes, you're gonna give your opponent at

1314
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: least two possessions, so just the score. At this point

1315
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 3: of the game, you start talking about how many possessions

1316
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 3: in a regular game, no on side kick and all that.

1317
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: How many possessions is your opponent.

1318
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: Going to get?

1319
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: If there's if it's at a point of a game

1320
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: where say you're under the two minute warning and I'm

1321
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: the underdog and it's Josh Allen and he's my opponent,

1322
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: do I want to give the ball to Josh Allen

1323
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 3: with down eight or do I want to just make

1324
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 3: this nine and say he could be Josh Allen and

1325
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 3: he can go down there and score on me. He

1326
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: has to score on sidekick, get it score again the

1327
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: odds of me, I feel a lot more comfortable defending

1328
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 3: that lead in those situations. But there's a time element,

1329
01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 3: right putting Josh Allen down by nine with the risk

1330
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 3: of only being.

1331
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: Trying to put him down by nine, because again, if

1332
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 1: the offense gets the ball back, they could just go

1333
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: to at the end and then they could get you

1334
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: because again you're only up by seven.

1335
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 3: So correct, So where that's where the time element comes

1336
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 3: in and changes a lot of these factors. Right, you

1337
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 3: go back to our thing that started all this craziness

1338
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 3: was the down fifteen of Philadelphia. I would make an

1339
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: argument if you're down fifteen and you're at a point

1340
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,760
Speaker 3: of a game where you have to onside kick anyway,

1341
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: right because there's a minute thirty left when you score,

1342
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: I'm kicking an extra point because no matter what, I'm

1343
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: still taking the on side kick after that scores, even

1344
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 3: if I'm down eight, i still have to on side

1345
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: kick to get the ball back because there's only a

1346
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 3: minute thirty. I'm not gonna be able to get the

1347
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 3: ball back with any meaningful time to go down to score.

1348
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 3: Now that scenario there was like just under four minutes.

1349
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 3: If I get the two point conversion, I don't have

1350
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 3: to onside kick, right because I'm only down seven. I

1351
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 3: have my three timeouts plus the two minute warning, I'm

1352
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 3: gonna kick it deep. So a lot of these decision

1353
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: making in those scenarios are very time dependent. The less time, right,

1354
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: it's teams when to go for two to win the

1355
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 3: game and when to kick the extra point to tie

1356
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,440
Speaker 3: the game. So it was the Panthers game yesterday, they're

1357
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 3: up seven team ten. New Orleans goes down to score

1358
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:07,560
Speaker 3: a touchdown, but they only kicked the extra point to

1359
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 3: make it seventeen seventeen. If there was thirty seconds left

1360
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: in that game, that's a much different conversation. Now, if

1361
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 3: I go for two, I win in regulation and virtually

1362
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 3: the game is over because you got thirty seconds in

1363
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: no timeouts. But there was a lot of time left.

1364
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: It was on the plus side of the two minute warning.

1365
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: I want to say they gave the ball back to

1366
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,439
Speaker 3: Carolina with like two thirty on the clock. You're better

1367
01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 3: off being tied with two thirty on the clock than

1368
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: even being up one. Because now, what does being up

1369
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:39,959
Speaker 3: one do? It puts Bryce Young into four down mode,

1370
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 3: hyper aggressive to go down to beat you. What did

1371
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 3: Caroline do? It was tied, they went incomplete, incomplete, He

1372
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,439
Speaker 3: was able to scramble for a first down. Long story short,

1373
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 3: they took a sack, they could, they punted it back

1374
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 3: to you. Now you now New Orleans went down on

1375
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: the game winning drive. So all of these situations, whether

1376
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 3: it's going up eight verse nine, whether it's going for

1377
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 3: two early, whether it's going for two to win the

1378
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,439
Speaker 3: game in regulation, take a lead or tie it. Time

1379
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: is a critical element. Come the back half of the

1380
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,040
Speaker 3: fourth quarter got you?

1381
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: So is there a cutoff in your brain when there

1382
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,439
Speaker 1: was eight nine minutes left and this again, I forget

1383
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: which game it was, but this team kicks up to

1384
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: go up eight instead of thinking about going for two

1385
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: to make it nine points. Is there a cutoff to

1386
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, I'm going to try and get

1387
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,959
Speaker 1: nine points in this situation risk?

1388
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 3: I don't think you have the timeouts, the two minute

1389
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 3: warning timeouts. How many times can you stop the clock

1390
01:04:38,840 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 3: two minute warning timeouts?

1391
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

1392
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 3: And what is the likelihood of you possessing the ball

1393
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,680
Speaker 3: and without getting an onside kick, without something crazy happening?

1394
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: What is the chances in a normal flow game of

1395
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 3: you possessing the ball two more times? If the likelihood

1396
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: is that you're going to possess the ball two more times,

1397
01:04:56,360 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: it's not as valuable. I'm better off being up eight.

1398
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 3: Kick disra point to be up eight. Where at least

1399
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 3: you can't beat me in a one possession game. You

1400
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 3: can only at best time me and fifty percent of

1401
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 3: the time you're gonna still lose to me. Yeah, Yeah,

1402
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 3: but if I can make it nine, you have to

1403
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 3: touch the ball twice? Yeah, do you have enough time

1404
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 3: for that to happen without a five percent chance of

1405
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 3: an on side kick? That's where my head goes making

1406
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 3: those decisions.

1407
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: Gotcha?

1408
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 3: And who am I.

1409
01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 1: Kicking the ball back to right a lot of area?

1410
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: Am my kicking the ball? Am I kicking the ball

1411
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 3: back to a team that can't score? Worth the shit?

1412
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: Or am I kicking the ball back to a team

1413
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 3: that scored four touchdowns in a row? On me? Like Buffalo?

1414
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really these conversations show Like as I've gotten

1415
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: more and more out of the league, I've realized how

1416
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: important coaching is. And I know it's a weird thing

1417
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: to say, but like, as a player, I think we

1418
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 2: live in this world of like brainwashing, like we're gonna

1419
01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 2: get it done for the boys, especially in college, Like

1420
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: you're like, hey, we can win every single game because

1421
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: a grit and spit in the whole thing. And then

1422
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: as you get farther farther remove, do you realize how

1423
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 2: these little moments in games, how critically important they are.

1424
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: And it's just it's, dude, it's so fascinating to like

1425
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 2: be thirty four years old, three years out of the league,

1426
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 2: and like still like being like, yo, this is insane.

1427
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 2: I didn't even know this when I was playing. How

1428
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: important this was.

1429
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: Did you see the Mike McDonald interview after the game.

1430
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 3: Everyone's talking a lot about it, about him using those timeouts.

1431
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,760
Speaker 3: Indianapolis had the ball before they went down to take

1432
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: the go ahead field goal. They asked Mike McDonald about,

1433
01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 3: how did you squeeze out another possession and you ended

1434
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 3: up giving yourself another opportunity to go answer the field

1435
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 3: goal which eventually walked off Indy, And he talked about

1436
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 3: his analytics guy and how they build these and mentioned

1437
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,240
Speaker 3: the guy by name, and the guy's like, hey, and

1438
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 3: we've said this a thousand times on broadcast, so it's

1439
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: nice to now hear these coaches say it in postgame interviews.

1440
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 3: For now everybody to cover it. You always use your

1441
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 3: timeouts on defense. You always use your timeouts on defense

1442
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 3: because I can't stop the clock on defense like I

1443
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 3: can on offense. And by doing that, you hear these

1444
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,439
Speaker 3: coaches all the time say, oh, save one for the kick,

1445
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 3: save one for your offense. You're better off having more

1446
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 3: time with no timeouts than less time with more timeouts

1447
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 3: as an offense, so they burn time out, time out,

1448
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:23,440
Speaker 3: time out, they end up kicking a field goal. You

1449
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 3: get the ball back with no timeouts. But I can

1450
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: stop the clock, I can clock it, I can throw

1451
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 3: it out of bounds, I can get you know, there's

1452
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 3: a million ways for me to do it. If they

1453
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 3: would have said, oh, we've got to save a time

1454
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: out for the field goal, we've got to save a

1455
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: timeout for the offense, that time is way more valuable

1456
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 3: to your offense than that one timeout. And Mike McDonald

1457
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 3: played it perfectly, called all of his timeouts on the

1458
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 3: minus side of the two minute warning, all on defense,

1459
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 3: gave his offense a chance and they won. Yeah, that

1460
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 3: wasn't a that was not an emotional in the moment decision.

1461
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 3: That shit was decided four months ago.

1462
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: And you have to have a supreme operation offensively because

1463
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: again defensively, you're trying to protect a sideline. More so,

1464
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: of course, can't get started, it can't get the opposite.

1465
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 3: They could have easily. But here's what's funny. He could

1466
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 3: have done everything the exact same and they don't get

1467
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 3: in field goal range, or Myers misses the kick and

1468
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,320
Speaker 3: no one after the game is saying, Mike McDonald, you

1469
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: did a great job with your timeouts. Right. The story

1470
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,960
Speaker 3: is you lost to a forty four year old quarterback

1471
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 3: who retired five years ago. Yeah, so again, we only

1472
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 3: reward the really good coaches when the outcome benefits them, right,

1473
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 3: But he still did a great job managing the game.

1474
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: The only reason we're talking about it is because they

1475
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:43,879
Speaker 3: won the game.

1476
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 2: Righteah, and because Philip Rivers was playing. That's just absolutely incredible, dude.

1477
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 2: Chargers Chiefs sixteen thirteen. It's the first time since nineteen

1478
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 2: ninety eight that the playoffs will not feature Tom Brady,

1479
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning or Patrick Mahomes since nineteen ninety eight. And

1480
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: I know, like Will, like we've played this game before,

1481
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 2: of like Will being a hater of the Chiefs, but

1482
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 2: you like watching the season Week one in Brazil, they

1483
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: play the Chargers, they lose, everyone's like, oh, they'll get

1484
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: back on track, and then as the season's gotten going,

1485
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 2: they've kind of gone from this. Like anytime the Chiefs lose,

1486
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,520
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, their offensive line was kind of overpowered

1487
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: and Patrick Mahomes didn't have time to do as much magic.

1488
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: And then later in the season in late November early December.

1489
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 2: It turned into, Hey, these guys that were so used

1490
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:35,520
Speaker 2: to making incredible plays aren't making those plays, whether it's drops, miscues,

1491
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 2: all these types of things. And then yesterday happens where

1492
01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes rolls out to the right his left leg

1493
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 2: hyper extents. It looks like an ACL. I think it

1494
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 2: was confirmed by Patrick himself that it is an ACL,

1495
01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: and we are potentially looking at the last time Kelsey

1496
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 2: and Mahomes are together this Chiefs run. You know, there's

1497
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks taking place, and I don't

1498
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 2: really know where this conversation is going on than like

1499
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: this is fucking wild, tough ta take place.

1500
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: As as a guy who's been like a Chiefs troll,

1501
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: Chiefs hater, I didn't even feel good feeling celebratory in

1502
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: the Chiefs losing and officially being out of playoffs because

1503
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: the Bills won two against New England that's what knocked

1504
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 1: them out. Yeah, to see Mahomes go down, bro, it's heartbreaking.

1505
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: And again it's like another bizarre stat was I want

1506
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 1: to say Tom Brady in his ninth season towards ACL,

1507
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 1: they didn't make New England, didn't make the playoffs. Patrick

1508
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: Mahomes ninth season in the NFL tears his ACL. Chiefs

1509
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: didn't make the playoffs. Just a lot of these weird

1510
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: dots getting connected. Is the Chiefs dynasty over? Is that

1511
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: the last time we're ever going to see Travis Kelce

1512
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 1: on the football field? Patrick Mahomes Just tearing your ACL

1513
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: in fucking December two. It's just brutal, especially when you're

1514
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: trying to save the season. It's not likely that you're

1515
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: gonna make the playoffs, and they see it happen that way,

1516
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 1: is you know, shitty man. So, yeah, you're gonna you're

1517
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna be training all off season, You're gonna be getting

1518
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna be dialed in and locked in.

1519
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:57,800
Speaker 1: You have to be if you're going to make what

1520
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: week one of next year?

1521
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have of essentially like these next Like Greg,

1522
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 2: you've ever you've never an ACL?

1523
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 3: No?

1524
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 2: Okay, well, the ACL game is this Like when you

1525
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: tear your ACL. A lot of times guys can go

1526
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: get surgery twenty four forty eight hours later, or some

1527
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 2: times it takes guys multiple weeks. You'll get the surgery

1528
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 2: and they have to actually exercise the leg to pump

1529
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: out the swelling because the knee based on how much swelling.

1530
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: If you have a lot of it, then you have

1531
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: to take time to get that swelling up before you

1532
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,759
Speaker 2: can go. And so every day week that takes place.

1533
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 2: Like right now, we're on that fringe area, where can

1534
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes make it eight months from now to week one?

1535
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: And that's gonna be the storyline heading into July with

1536
01:11:34,439 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 2: the Chiefs with their revamped offensive, whether Kelsey is there

1537
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: or not, what kind of new pieces they've they've added

1538
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 2: to it. It's a it's gonna be a very interesting

1539
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,839
Speaker 2: offseason for Patrick Mahomes cause.

1540
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: Is this a player you feel like you're up against

1541
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: the clock every day, up against.

1542
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 2: The clock every single day. And if you could just

1543
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: grab Mahomes and be like, bro, week one does not

1544
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 2: matter next year. I'm just letting you know, like what

1545
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,920
Speaker 2: matters is making like go to latrosh head over to

1546
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 2: la get the job done the way it's supposed to

1547
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: do correctly, and then just listen to your body all

1548
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: the way through it. Don't let's not rush the game

1549
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 2: to week one because we all know how long of

1550
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:07,719
Speaker 2: a season it is. It just sucks to you because

1551
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 2: you see all these like distractions coming out of the

1552
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: Mahomes camp the last seven or eight years, and all

1553
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: of the distractions have never been Patrick. It's never been him.

1554
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 2: It's been this or that or all these other things,

1555
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,719
Speaker 2: and for it to happen to him just absolutely sucks

1556
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 2: because he is one of he's the baby goat right now,

1557
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: and you kind of want them, You kind of want

1558
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: them to like you go from being like kind of

1559
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 2: relieved that we're seeing a new group of logos in

1560
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: the playoffs too, I'm kind of sitting here being like,

1561
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this comeback story about Patrick Mahomes,

1562
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: like going in next year and like winning the division

1563
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: and all that, like can he do the storybook type

1564
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: of thing.

1565
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 3: It's just there's such an appreciation for what they've done

1566
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,759
Speaker 3: that even as a competitor, right like even as someone

1567
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: who's you know, granted none of us are still playing,

1568
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 3: but like even when you're playing and you didn't want

1569
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 3: New England to win, or you didn't want Indie and

1570
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:01,160
Speaker 3: you didn't want you know, we didn't want Denver, there

1571
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 3: was always those teams. But as it just understanding how

1572
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,479
Speaker 3: hard all of this is, you can't help but to

1573
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,560
Speaker 3: have an appreciation for what these guys have done for

1574
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 3: this long, knowing firsthand how hard it is to get

1575
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 3: there once, let alone time and time again, you just

1576
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: develop an appreciation where you're like, you know what, Like

1577
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,560
Speaker 3: we're not Chiefs fans, we're not, but like, man, you

1578
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 3: can't not be a Chiefs fan or a Homes fan,

1579
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,160
Speaker 3: or a Kelsey fan and Andy Reid fan more out

1580
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 3: of just respect for how hard it is to do

1581
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: what they've done for as long as they have when

1582
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 3: the league is entirely designed to prevent that from happening.

1583
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: The way the schedule, the way the draft order, the

1584
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 3: way teams get poached talent, coaching staff, cap the way

1585
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 3: it's capped. You can't pay everyone. Guys get big contracts

1586
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 3: off winning teams that they're not even that good, But

1587
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's like I need a piece

1588
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 3: of the Chiefs. I need a piece of the Patriots.

1589
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 3: And coaches get jobs they wouldn't otherwise get, players get

1590
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 3: contracts they wouldn't otherwise get. Winning is the greatest preventor

1591
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 3: of future winning, and it's by design in the NFL.

1592
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 3: So it's more of that for me, Like to see

1593
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 3: what Travis has done to see what Kelsey's done, I mean,

1594
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 3: Mahomes and these guys Like I just as a guy

1595
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 3: who loves football and appreciates how hard it is. I

1596
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 3: just have a lot of respect for what these guys

1597
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 3: have done over the last you know, ever many years. Yeah.

1598
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the sickening work ethic and mentality and mentality

1599
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: that goes into showing up year and and you're out,

1600
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: Especially when you've been at the top for so long,

1601
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: you can easily like lose that edge, you know, drink

1602
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: your own kool aid all that stuff. And for them

1603
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: to maintain that dominance for so long. Uh Yeah, it's

1604
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: definitely an appreciation and respect just for what that kind

1605
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: of success takes. It's weird. It's it is weird knowing

1606
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: that I've been rooting for the Chiefs downfall and they're

1607
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: actually not in it this year, actually not in it

1608
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: in the way they're not in it too. Yeah. Yeah,

1609
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:59,559
Speaker 1: it's almost like not as fun either years ago. Part

1610
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: of me that like, they're not they're not in the playoffs. No,

1611
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: they're not gonna make They've been out of it. Even

1612
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: though this week was the last final domino. In my head,

1613
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: they've been out of it. They're not gonna make it,

1614
01:15:08,160 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: but the fact that they're not out of it, there's

1615
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: almost this little part of me that was hopeful that

1616
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: would they that they would go on this winning streak

1617
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: and then somehow they make it in the playoffs and

1618
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: the boogey Man made it to the playoffs. It's kind

1619
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: of all that error just feels like it's gone.

1620
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 2: You've won, but at what cost?

1621
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,600
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, like I'm sure, uh,

1622
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,679
Speaker 1: wheat goes by, I I'll start to find my energy again,

1623
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: my juice about it again. But yesterday the way it

1624
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: went down and then the buff the Bills come back,

1625
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 1: because it's like the Chiefs could lose, but as long

1626
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: as the Patriots win, they still have this little like

1627
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: percent yeah, yeah, something where you can still kind of

1628
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,280
Speaker 1: kind of just throw salt in the wound. But now

1629
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: that it's officially over them, like, this wasn't near as

1630
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: fun as I thought it would.

1631
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 2: Right, you're the Yeah, it's one of those you you

1632
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: can't celebrate until there's the tweet that comes out by

1633
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,959
Speaker 2: Adam Schefter saying that Pat Mahomes has had a successful

1634
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 2: surgery and everything's all good, And then that's when you

1635
01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 2: can begin your trolling yet again.

1636
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1637
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:08,879
Speaker 2: I was a rookie in the NFL twenty fourteen.

1638
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: I was in my eighth year.

1639
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 2: Eighth year in the NFL. That's crazy, dude. We got

1640
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 2: anything else for mister Olson, I.

1641
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:21,599
Speaker 1: Don't think so let me check it and make sure

1642
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 1: that make sure. Let's see here you have Broncos.

1643
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: I see you got a baseball shirt on.

1644
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 1: Is that weird?

1645
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: New season? Now?

1646
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,600
Speaker 3: No? I just this was the first. I had a

1647
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 3: bad flight coming home from Philly. I had like a

1648
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 3: four and a half hour delay, so I got home late,

1649
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: woke up early. This was the first T shirt. Just

1650
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 3: chucked it onto the kid's school.

1651
01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 2: How how much longer is your contract with Fox?

1652
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 1: Like?

1653
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: How many more years?

1654
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,080
Speaker 3: Next year is my last year?

1655
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,519
Speaker 2: Perfect? Perfect negotiations? Do you do an incredible job? There's

1656
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 2: no doubt that fought. You have all the leverage in

1657
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 2: the world when you negotiate. When you negotiate, it's going

1658
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 2: to be, hey, that's great, we'll take this money. That

1659
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 2: sounds awesome. Last thing, before we do anything, I need

1660
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 2: a private jet to all these things. That would be

1661
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: a that's the move, dude. That means the ultimate game

1662
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 2: changer man, It's either allocate a certain amount of money

1663
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: in your funds and be like this does like the

1664
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 2: way our brains work is we take some allocation, we're like,

1665
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 2: it's like we've never even made that because we're able

1666
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 2: to get back to our families faster.

1667
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: And if you can do.

1668
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: Something, we can do it.

1669
01:17:21,439 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 3: Eighteen eighteen weeks in a row. That shit adds up

1670
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: if you flew private, if my schedule, I'm just making

1671
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:32,920
Speaker 3: this up. If I flew private both ways for nineteen weeks,

1672
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 3: because I got a playoff game this year, so eighteen

1673
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,240
Speaker 3: plus the playoffs, So if I did it nineteen weekends,

1674
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 3: it's probably a million bucks.

1675
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 1: You gotta find that number. And if you need us too,

1676
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 1: if you need us to kind of lift, like, hey,

1677
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 1: I got it off on the table right now, busting

1678
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: with the Yeah, that's the leverage.

1679
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 3: That's fair.

1680
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, just let us know.

1681
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 3: How do you guys pay?

1682
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,800
Speaker 2: Well, we were more of helping leverage, where so if

1683
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 2: like if Fox is like, hey, we'll pay you five dollars,

1684
01:17:58,360 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 2: we'll be like, hey, we're gonna pay you ten dollars,

1685
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,719
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, funk, we'll pay you seven. Boom,

1686
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 2: you got them.

1687
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 3: You know we could you pay ten dollars? Yes, you

1688
01:18:06,840 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 3: have ten? Could you afford ten? I got it? That's

1689
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:09,679
Speaker 3: good for ten dollars.

1690
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 2: You keep saying ten.

1691
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: That's what I means.

1692
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 3: If there's a five and ten, I was speaking dollars.

1693
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to come to ten million a

1694
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 2: year like you guys will, Yeah, if you want to

1695
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 2: come more for bust one of the boys, I can

1696
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 2: guarantee you ten dollars and I you know what, dude,

1697
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: I'll I'll beget a lifting something.

1698
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm wide enough for an extra seat, there's one.

1699
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: We're here, tell you what we get you full time.

1700
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: We could talk shop.

1701
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh we can talk shop. We don't. We're not

1702
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:38,559
Speaker 3: evenna have the cameras on. We're just gonna talk shop.

1703
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can just talk shop.

1704
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you if there's a world where Greg Olsen

1705
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: wants to be with the boys.

1706
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Speaker 3: I wish you guys lived I wish you guys lived close,

1707
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: because once a week I got like a group of buddies,

1708
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,200
Speaker 3: more so in the off season because some of them

1709
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 3: are still playing. And the club we live on here,

1710
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 3: the Men's Grill, is like my favorite place. I always

1711
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 3: joke like it's It's literally my favorite place outside of

1712
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,960
Speaker 3: my house in the world is the men's Grill at

1713
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 3: our club bartenders. You're sitting there, there's games on TVs. Food,

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01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 3: it's just a great vibe. There's it's it's a great

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01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 3: group of guys. So we have like a weekly offseason.

1716
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,840
Speaker 3: We're like a handful of the guys. We go there

1717
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 3: and we're like, all we're gonna beet there at eleven,

1718
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 3: and next thing you know, it's like three p thirty.

1719
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 3: I'm like texting my wife, Hey, I'm not gonna be

1720
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 3: able to get the kids from Carpoola. Meanwhile, we're talking

1721
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: about complete nonsense, like hiring cycles of the NFL, the

1722
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 3: new salary. I mean just we are covering pretty much

1723
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: the ship we talk about on here. It is my

1724
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 3: favorite thing in the world to go hang with the

1725
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:40,960
Speaker 3: boys and just talk whatever.

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01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, it sounds like a podcast in the making.

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01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: I know, the fucking best.

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01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: He g got to your left. We got to start great.

1729
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, your left to just keep in mind busting what

1730
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,200
Speaker 2: the boys. We're gonna throw a hat in the ring.

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01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 3: Dude, Hey, I appreciate you guys.

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01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: My last question, what do you make of the emotion

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01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 1: going into Josh Allen potentially being the the the MVP

1734
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: front runner for the NFL. I feel like that that

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: obviously he's gonna be in the conversation. But I'm sitting

1736
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,799
Speaker 1: here like I saw Danny would be, like Josh Allen's

1737
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 1: the MVP right now after the couple weeks that he's

1738
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 1: had this eb I get playing late like he's the

1739
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: guy that's got it all on his shoulders, doing less,

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01:20:16,160 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 1: are doing more with less? Yeah, yeada YadA. But I'm

1741
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: sitting here, It's like, are we really going to get

1742
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,519
Speaker 1: this close to one of the better years that Matt

1743
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: Stafford's ever had where he's got what thirty five touchdowns

1744
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: in one game? Five or seven?

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01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 3: A lot's going to be? How I think A lots? Now,

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 3: remind me when does the voting end?

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01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 2: It's before the super Bowl but.

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01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 1: Count right, Yes, yeah that's what I thought, But it does. Yeah,

1749
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: the super Bowl super Bowl does not count.

1750
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna all depend on right. I think

1751
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,560
Speaker 3: it's it literally could come down to and again, I

1752
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: think the Rams are nasty. I'm speaking hypotheticals. I'm a

1753
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: huge Stafford guy. You guys know that hypothetically they lost

1754
01:20:54,360 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: in the Divisional round two. Whoever, and Josh Allen gets

1755
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 3: over the hump and he makes the super Bowl.

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01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 1: Yeah that's fair.

1757
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah that's over.

1758
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:10,560
Speaker 3: So I again, I think the team element come playoffs

1759
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:14,679
Speaker 3: is going to be a huge differentiating factor because outside

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01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 3: of Josh and I guess Stafford, but as far as

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01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:20,559
Speaker 3: like the usual suspects that are in that MVP race,

1762
01:21:21,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: no La Mar, no Mahomes, like the usual suspects, the

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01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 3: only one left of those names is Josh Allen, and

1764
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 3: then you got Stafford, and then Drake may is like

1765
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,000
Speaker 3: the new kid on the block who's kind of lingering

1766
01:21:33,160 --> 01:21:36,640
Speaker 3: and maybe he's an AFC Championship win away from him

1767
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 3: winning it. So I do think the playoff team result

1768
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: is going to be a factor. But if you told

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01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 3: me that Josh Allen's getting ready to play in the

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01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 3: super Bowl and those other guys who had amazing seasons

1771
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 3: are done and he's getting ready to play the Seahawk.

1772
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:55,799
Speaker 3: If he's getting ready to play the Seahawks, I'm probably

1773
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 3: making the argument that Josh Allen's the MVP as well

1774
01:21:58,000 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 3: because he got that roster, he got that team to

1775
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 3: the super Bowl. It's probably more impressive than what he

1776
01:22:02,200 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 3: did last year.

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01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I understand what you're saying. It

1778
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: would be hard to argue that. I'm just as we

1779
01:22:07,840 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 1: start to and again, Josh Allen's definitely closing the gap.

1780
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 1: And I know stats are not everything. I do think

1781
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,839
Speaker 1: Josh Allen is he is one of the best players,

1782
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 1: if not the best player in the NFL. But I'm

1783
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 1: sitting here and I'm looking at how much kool aid

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 1: we're drinking with this MVP race, with Josh Allen making

1785
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,800
Speaker 1: all like closing the gap this much, and I'm sitting here,

1786
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, we just can't Like Stafford has thrown

1787
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 1: for thirty seven out of yards, he's the MVP right now. Yeah,

1788
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 1: thirty seven touchdowns, five interceptions. Josh Allen's got twenty five

1789
01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,559
Speaker 1: to ten. I know stats are not everything. I'm just man,

1790
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: we cannot like I feel like sta is so close

1791
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: all these years, and the fact that he's this far above,

1792
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 1: not like that far above, like the gap is not

1793
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 1: insanely wide, but where he's kind of sitting compared to

1794
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: everybody else who's in the conversation, I'm like, I would

1795
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: hate to just see Stafford get cuked when he's right there,

1796
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 1: he could easily have the MVP trophy.

1797
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:04,160
Speaker 3: Ye win one playoff game, I think you will, and

1798
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 3: I think he wins it. So again, it couldn't. That

1799
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 3: could mean an NFC championship right because he could get

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01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 3: the bye. Thursday is going to be huge. He could

1801
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: get the bye if he wins the divisional round. He's

1802
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 3: in the conference championship. I think win or lose, he's

1803
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 3: the m v P.

1804
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.

1805
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: Not I'm not saying Stafford right now, if I had

1806
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,960
Speaker 3: a vote, he'd be my vote. I'm just saying we

1807
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,960
Speaker 3: all know how this works. An early exit by by

1808
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,800
Speaker 3: the Rams, even if Stafford plays well, an early exit

1809
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 3: by the Rams, and a super Bowl run by the Bills, Yeah,

1810
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:42,799
Speaker 3: it's going to factor in right or wrong, right or wrong.

1811
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:46,639
Speaker 2: Rams Bills super Bowl would be that'd be sick, sick,

1812
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: that would be awesome. All right, Greg, you're the man,

1813
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 2: bro appreciate thank you very much, brother, great show.

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01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:01,400
Speaker 1: What a show man goes to Mahomes, Dude, Hard goes

1815
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: out to Mahomes. It's like I'm sitting there, you know,

1816
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: like I see Mahomes posts. I'm like, I just seeing

1817
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: cheese fans coming, Like fuck, you wanted this, blah blah.

1818
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, like I'm here for the entertainment side.

1819
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,600
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, like I you know, this back and

1820
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: forth and the anti chiefs, I absolutely enjoyed to pour

1821
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:23,720
Speaker 1: salt on the womb. But something that's real like this,

1822
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: like I never want anybody to get.

1823
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 2: And I think that the logical human beings out there

1824
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: understand that the people that have followed TOMP for a

1825
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 2: long time. Yeah, I hate on the internet comes Yeah,

1826
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,280
Speaker 2: you know you see this Michigan stuff. I'm just catching

1827
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: strays everywhere. I'm getting bullets everywhere. You're the problem to

1828
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 2: whoa fucking what are we doing here? It's like, holy shit, man,

1829
01:24:51,880 --> 01:24:52,320
Speaker 2: if you're.

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Speaker 1: Listening right now to the NFL Talk, make sure you're

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Speaker 1: College football, we were going to mix it into the

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01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,639
Speaker 1: intro busting with the Boys of up tomorrow with Dion Dawkins,

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01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:05,400
Speaker 1: left tackle of the Buffalo Bills, an absolutely stud phenomenal

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01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 1: energy throughout that episode. Yeah, we'll be covering our college

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01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: football talk tomorrow and there. Because not a lot happened

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01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,799
Speaker 1: over the weekend in college football, well headlines with Michigan,

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01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:22,160
Speaker 1: with coaching searches with Who's Heisman? Yeah, Michigan. But as

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01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: far as games go and everything else, we had Army

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01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Navy barn Burner. We will get into that tomorrow with

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01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: our Bus with the Boys episode, so again, stay tuned

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01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 1: for that. We love you, big hugs, tiny kisses, See

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow