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Speaker 1: I played Oscar Martinez on the Office. Hello. Everyone, Oh
Speaker 1: this is a special one. Welcome to this very special
Speaker 1: episode of the Office Deep Dive. I'm your host, Brian
Speaker 1: bamb Gartner. Now I don't know if you have noticed,
Speaker 1: but do I sound a little different to you today?
Speaker 1: It feels like I'm in your head right Like, look,
Speaker 1: I am in your right ear whole? Am I not?
Speaker 1: And now I am in your left one? Now don't
Speaker 1: freak ount, guys, Okay I am. I am not actually
Speaker 1: in your head today. I am using a very special
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Speaker 1: have to tell you this thing is so fun. It
Speaker 1: captures three D and sixty degree sound. So we're joining
Speaker 1: my Hearts three D Audio campaign to try one of
Speaker 1: these puppies out, and to make it even more fun,
Speaker 1: I have decided to come to my favorite place on
Speaker 1: the planet, Tory Pines Golf Course here in San Diego, California. Now,
Speaker 1: for you folks who don't know, Tory Pines will be
Speaker 1: hosting the one hundred and twenty one US Open this
Speaker 1: year June through I truly cannot wait for that to happen. Um,
Speaker 1: excuse me one moment it is my turn. Nailed it anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm having so much fun here I almost forgot I
Speaker 1: have a job to do. I have to interview today's guest.
Speaker 1: Not that he's a forgettable guy. No, In fact, I
Speaker 1: would say today's interview it is actually unforgettable. For better
Speaker 1: or worse, you decide that. Uh, it is with my
Speaker 1: good friend Oscar new Yes, Now where do we get
Speaker 1: about Oscar Oscar? Well? First off, Oscar is truly one
Speaker 1: of the funniest people I have ever met. Truly, he
Speaker 1: makes me laugh harder than any person on the planet,
Speaker 1: which is great, except it's a problem when you're shooting
Speaker 1: a television show. Yes, he made things very difficult for
Speaker 1: myself and for Angela to keep it together. Back in
Speaker 1: the accountants corner, He's like a comedic communion, which is
Speaker 1: to say, he changes shape and tone comedy styles for
Speaker 1: whatever fits the exact moment you're in. He is hilarious.
Speaker 1: So when we're doing these interviews, right, I was very
Speaker 1: well researched, and the day that we're going to interview Oscar,
Speaker 1: I ripped up the papers. I just said, this is
Speaker 1: not gonna do us any good today, guys, because what
Speaker 1: we're gonna get is what we're gonna get. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be funny, but I don't know if we're gonna get
Speaker 1: any astute observations unless Mr Nunyez is in the mood,
Speaker 1: because he is very difficult to pen down. But I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, of all of the interviews I did,
Speaker 1: this was most fun. I hope you have fun listening
Speaker 1: to it. But either way, you can sit back now
Speaker 1: and listen to me working my hardest to get a
Speaker 1: serious answer out of Oscar. Noon. Yes, and now while
Speaker 1: you're listening, I'm gonna go place of golf, Bubble and Squeak.
Speaker 1: I love it. Bubble and squeak on bubble and squeaker cookie,
Speaker 1: every moment left over from the natty before. How is
Speaker 1: it locked? Hi? Hi, how are you. I'm all right,
Speaker 1: good to see you. Hi you guys? Is this is
Speaker 1: this worth sit? Yeah? That's where you set you picked
Speaker 1: it up really well. So it's a podcast? Rights a podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a podcast. No video? Do you want to be videoed?
Speaker 1: Sometimes podcasts? Did you put on? You put on makeup?
Speaker 1: Just a base? Yeah? Are we on? Because you're speaking
Speaker 1: the mic like Ron, we're on. There's no action, there's
Speaker 1: no starting. We'll just start like this, like go ahead.
Speaker 1: It's like Ken Kopas, like Mark Maron does that. He
Speaker 1: just starts saying like that. Yeah that's how. That's how. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like Mark Barron, Okay, No, we're just chatting. We're
Speaker 1: just getting to know each other again. What what brings
Speaker 1: me here? Yeah? What brings you here? Why did you
Speaker 1: come in? No, I'm being serious. What were you doing
Speaker 1: before the office started? First of all, you have way
Speaker 1: too many notes in front of You've got like reams
Speaker 1: of paper like sheets. I'm trying to keep the paper business.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep paper. And you're taking this seriously,
Speaker 1: and good for you, good for you? Are your parents?
Speaker 1: Would you try to take it seriously? I think I would?
Speaker 1: Yea to the extent. Look at all this paper. I've
Speaker 1: never used as much paper in my life. I know
Speaker 1: what's on it. What's here's the thing that you have?
Speaker 1: You have four pages? Why? This was? No? No? This
Speaker 1: was this was Andy Buckley was like, why he has
Speaker 1: a lot to offer? In what way? He was? You know,
Speaker 1: he was the boss of the show, right he was?
Speaker 1: He was in charge, which makes him which makes him important?
Speaker 1: Was he for the all seasons? He wasn't he came
Speaker 1: in later. It stands the reason that I would have
Speaker 1: you would need more paper for me, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: You would think that, But that's not the case. No,
Speaker 1: there's only four pages. I was drinking a soda and
Speaker 1: I forgot to bring it in. Can have one of
Speaker 1: your By the way, people, he's got fifteen people working
Speaker 1: for him. Here, there's a booth. It's very professional everyone,
Speaker 1: it's it's lovely. I really I am taken aback. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: What did you ask four? What? What were you doing?
Speaker 1: It was catering and I was babysitting. You were catering
Speaker 1: in babysitting, Yes, people let you look after their children
Speaker 1: that at the same time, yes, they did. Guess what
Speaker 1: He's alive and he's a grown man now and he's fine.
Speaker 1: So there. You baby sat for just one boy. Baby
Speaker 1: not baby sat for a couple of families, but one
Speaker 1: particular family. Uh. And I'm still friends with all of
Speaker 1: them and they're wonderful. And I baby sat him, like
Speaker 1: I swear to God, I think. Yeah, he was little.
Speaker 1: He he had other people, but I was the fellow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had two babysitter women and one guy. And then
Speaker 1: we would take turns. And you know, his parents would
Speaker 1: would sometimes call me, sometimes call them, but I you know,
Speaker 1: baby's had a kid for ten years more or less.
Speaker 1: So you were catering, you were babysitting, but you were
Speaker 1: you were working in. Um, you were working. You were
Speaker 1: working in Uh, go ahead, go ahead. It's like a play.
Speaker 1: And now I'm walking across the hallway and I'm stumbling.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I fell you guys, I'm doing folly work.
Speaker 1: This is really sweet. Yeah. This isn't a fully studio though,
Speaker 1: and yet yet. So you were baby but you were
Speaker 1: you were trying to be an act. I mean you
Speaker 1: were sorry, I shouldn't say that. You well, you were
Speaker 1: doing improv too, right, I was trying to be an actor. Poor.
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was an actor. Yes, Were
Speaker 1: you an improv Olympic No? I was in the groundlings.
Speaker 1: You were groundlings, yes, And I was auditioning stuff. But
Speaker 1: but but my day jobs were catering and babysiting. I
Speaker 1: had to do other things to support myself. Jobs were
Speaker 1: coming in here and there, guest spots, stuff like that. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you got the audition for the Office, had you
Speaker 1: watched the British version? Oh? Yes, yes, and loved it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was great, Ricky. Your basis is very funny. Yeah, yeah, seriously,
Speaker 1: I thought, we'll do the pilot and that will be it.
Speaker 1: We'll do the pilot. I wasn't that excited. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we'll mess it up us being America. I'm like, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna do it right. They're not going to leave
Speaker 1: those long awkward pauses. They're not going to go for
Speaker 1: the awkwardness, you know, the long It's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: So I was I was happy. I was excited I
Speaker 1: got the pilot, but I was like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to quit my day job. Also, at that time, do
Speaker 1: you remember I'm sure that people know by now because
Speaker 1: we've been off the air since sixty two, so we've
Speaker 1: gone over this. When we were all cast, the lead
Speaker 1: wasn't cast yet. They were looking at the am. I right,
Speaker 1: bet my buddy Damon Jones, Andy Richter, and who else?
Speaker 1: There's a fourth guy that I always forget. But all
Speaker 1: these four men are lovely ladies and gentlemen, and Damon's
Speaker 1: a personal friend of mine. From the Groundlings, they're all lovely,
Speaker 1: and I still thought, oh, hey, that's fine. But then
Speaker 1: Steve was working on something and it fell through and
Speaker 1: he became available. And when they said Steve Carrell is
Speaker 1: going to be the lead, I thought, wow, this is now,
Speaker 1: this is special, this is like something's happening here because
Speaker 1: I was such a huge fan of his from anchor
Speaker 1: mang and all that. But I really thought I loved
Speaker 1: The Daily Show when John Stewart was on, but I
Speaker 1: used to love Steve on The Daily Show. And when
Speaker 1: we when he got on the Office, I thought, we've
Speaker 1: got a shot at this because I think he's great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and did you you knew Angela before the show? Right?
Speaker 1: How did you know Angela? I believe from the Groundlings,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know she got the job. I showed
Speaker 1: up for work and she was there in her accountant's office,
Speaker 1: and that's like an actor's dream come to him, like
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? She's like what are you
Speaker 1: doing here? I'm like, oh my god, Angela, We're on
Speaker 1: this show. We're on this bloody show. And what did
Speaker 1: you think of me? Because then it was just you
Speaker 1: and Angela? And then I was like, the new guy.
Speaker 1: Weren't you there already? What you there for the pilot? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was. It was clearly you don't have any recollection
Speaker 1: about meeting me. It was Kay Flannery who wasn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. I knew you were funny from the commercials.
Speaker 1: I knew who you were. You had that the Delhi
Speaker 1: commercial out, which was brilliant. Thank you, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I knew you were I'm like, this guy's funny and talented.
Speaker 1: But I know how funny Angela is. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't know how funny. They're gonna find out. They
Speaker 1: must have known from the audition, but her character doesn't
Speaker 1: let her be your character, lets you to be funny
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. And Angela and I had
Speaker 1: to hold back until the show got up and and
Speaker 1: then okay, let's let them be a little crazy. Now.
Speaker 1: Do you remember um, Nope, clearly, not really, but shooting
Speaker 1: the pilot do you remember us coming in every day
Speaker 1: on the pilot and doing thirty minutes of busy work? Yes?
Speaker 1: I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah. First of all, just
Speaker 1: to go back a little bit, Ben and Greg were
Speaker 1: very protective of the original show and that was really cool.
Speaker 1: I remember him talking about, oh no, we're going to
Speaker 1: have those there's not going to be a laugh track
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be long, and I was like, whoa that.
Speaker 1: Plus Steve, I'm like, okay, here we go. And I
Speaker 1: remember people people are like, they're such good actors just
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, you're playing like you're in the office,
Speaker 1: you're on your computer, You're you're doing something on the computer,
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be bothered by a camera.
Speaker 1: That's pretty easy to do. See. That's the thing. People
Speaker 1: are like, where does the thing take place? It takes
Speaker 1: place on a satellite, or it's a station on a satellite,
Speaker 1: or it's underwater and there's it's the future. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's just it's a garage taxi. It's a garage with people.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a bar, that's it. It's an office.
Speaker 1: What are your self? It doesn't matter. It's paper, it
Speaker 1: could be anything. It's the characters. It's not where it
Speaker 1: is a laboratory in space in the future and whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just it's character building. Yeah, what did you used
Speaker 1: to do when we were supposed to be doing fake work? Gosh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would doodle? Did I bring a
Speaker 1: book in? I pretended to work and I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was we used to pass notes. We used to
Speaker 1: pass notes back to each other. Angela still has some
Speaker 1: doodles that I did back in the day. It was
Speaker 1: very exciting to be there. So everyone has to just
Speaker 1: kinda can you hear the card? The microphone picks up everything,
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. I was playing with a card and
Speaker 1: Brian literally slapped it out of my hand because God forbid,
Speaker 1: I see I go the other way. I wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: I want them to hear like clinking of glass and
Speaker 1: it's real, we're real people. You're building, yes, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: it had to be a boring workplace and as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, like some thing's worked, and I remember
Speaker 1: like some like the b roll the camera with scan
Speaker 1: and some people knew they were being shot, and some
Speaker 1: people would just act normal like nothing was happening, or
Speaker 1: they didn't want to be shotting. Other people would try
Speaker 1: to do bits and don't do the bit, don't do
Speaker 1: the bit right because it's it's still funny to see
Speaker 1: someone just looking over and like rolling their eyes, like,
Speaker 1: what do you want from me? I'm kind of do
Speaker 1: some work. We were boring before the cameras showed up.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a pilot for us. We're office workers. It's
Speaker 1: a documentary us. Did you bring anything, you know, like
Speaker 1: they asked us to bring in, like personal items and stuff?
Speaker 1: Did you bring anything in like like John had the
Speaker 1: picture of he and his best friend. He didn't pay
Speaker 1: me enough for that. I was just an extra when
Speaker 1: I first got there, bringing something from my own life.
Speaker 1: Make me a regular, then we'll talk there. Lucky I
Speaker 1: was there, What am I gonna bringing? You know what
Speaker 1: I bought? I brought in seriously a picture of me
Speaker 1: and my dog, yeah, boat, and I had it on
Speaker 1: the thing. It was there the whole time. It was
Speaker 1: there the whole time, so I did have my dog.
Speaker 1: She passed away recently. Minister Schnauzer the best. Um Leela
Speaker 1: was her name. She's a little black mini Schnauzer and
Speaker 1: she was there and one of my pictures on the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I bought it. Um. The second episode we
Speaker 1: shot was Diversity Day. Yes, it was fantastic. Fantastics not good,
Speaker 1: excellent script from a young seventeen year old. He used
Speaker 1: to show up on his skateboard b J Novak. How
Speaker 1: much did I hate him? And still do? He was
Speaker 1: seen at the time. No, but he was young. I'm
Speaker 1: saying that for comedic effect. He's so talented. As my point,
Speaker 1: he's so talented. That was a really good script. It
Speaker 1: was so good it has in it for me. One
Speaker 1: of my favorite jokes in the entire show. What was
Speaker 1: it Michael asking you what he could call you that
Speaker 1: was less offensive than Mexican? Was that that episode something
Speaker 1: something less offensive? God? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like Oscar and he was so serious about his like
Speaker 1: Oscar and trying to be gentle. Is there something that
Speaker 1: I can call you? Oh man? And he would flip
Speaker 1: the chair around. When he turned a chair around that
Speaker 1: you knew, and everyone just had a hole bite their
Speaker 1: tongue so they wouldn't laugh because he would. That would
Speaker 1: make him extra serious. So was it offensive for you
Speaker 1: as a Cuban to have to play in Mexican? What
Speaker 1: kind of question is that he's giggling everyone? Oh, look
Speaker 1: at me with a funny questions. Look at me. Let
Speaker 1: me try to trip him up. What if I said yes?
Speaker 1: What if I'm like was deep? No? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: why you know? What's wrong with being Cuban? That's my question?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think why why was
Speaker 1: Oscar Martinez ma? I don't know why they made him Mexican?
Speaker 1: I would have been fine if they would have made
Speaker 1: him Cuban. Here's the thing. I think it was because
Speaker 1: of that joke. Oh right, I guess he could have
Speaker 1: said Cuban. I think he would have been Cuban because
Speaker 1: we're in Pennsylvania. If the if the show shot in
Speaker 1: l A. There's more Mexicans out here, but on the
Speaker 1: East Coast that's where all the Cubans were. But either way,
Speaker 1: the joke is funny. It's it's ridiculous because Michael Scott
Speaker 1: got away with so much stuff because he genuinely was
Speaker 1: coming from a taste of innocence. That's how a vapid.
Speaker 1: He's like, Oscar, is there anything less offensive? And he's like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not offensive. And he's like, well, he's still not convinced.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm I'm telling you, I'm Mexican. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, Well, okay, if you say so, you know,
Speaker 1: f you And then and then you would hate him,
Speaker 1: hate him, hate him, and then something horrible would happen
Speaker 1: to him, and then you'd feel sorry for him. And
Speaker 1: then he'd reel you wing and you're like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: not such a bad guy. And then he does it
Speaker 1: again and again. That was the circle of the show.
Speaker 1: That was the circle of the show. It's a wonderful formula.
Speaker 1: Were you at the time aware I'm pouring people Now
Speaker 1: everyone's just gonna have to go to the bathrow. Well,
Speaker 1: if they have to go, they have to go. We'll
Speaker 1: still be here. Put hit your pause button. Can they
Speaker 1: pause a podcast? You don't know if you can pause
Speaker 1: a podcast? Yeah, you can write on your phone. People
Speaker 1: are into this, driving around in their cars. Whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: Please somebody make a note to not ever ever use
Speaker 1: that um. Were you aware though at that time, like,
Speaker 1: did it feel taboo what we were doing? Did it
Speaker 1: feel like we were doing something different talking about racing
Speaker 1: that way. I love edgy stuff. I love not being
Speaker 1: condescending to the audience. I like being an intelligent show.
Speaker 1: It's like we didn't we didn't have to explain ourselves
Speaker 1: to the audience. And I think, I think if it's
Speaker 1: genuinely funny, you could pretty much make a joke about anything,
Speaker 1: but it's got to be funny. If it's not funny,
Speaker 1: I mean, they'll let they'll let you know. The show
Speaker 1: was intelligent. The show was very funny. It came from
Speaker 1: the right place. His His character wasn't he wasn't mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't a bully. Everything was organic. He there was
Speaker 1: a reason if he was upset, there was a genuine
Speaker 1: reason why he was upset. He wasn't picking on you
Speaker 1: because he's a terrible person. Something happened and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm upset, and this is how I'm going to act out.
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why he's doing it. Right. Have you?
Speaker 1: Have you watched Diversity Day recently? I maybe I've never
Speaker 1: actually watched the show per se, but I shot it.
Speaker 1: We were there. We shot the show, everyone went home,
Speaker 1: and people came back and talked about and that's how
Speaker 1: I got my information about the show. I don't like
Speaker 1: to see myself perform. I'm kidding. I watched there's actors
Speaker 1: who don't like to see themselves performing. I don't watch
Speaker 1: a lot. Do you watch everything you do? No, you're
Speaker 1: self indulgent? What I don't? I don't, sus I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't watch everything I do. Brian, I watched this
Speaker 1: every Thursday went while we were shooting, and then one
Speaker 1: time I went back and Bene watched the whole thing
Speaker 1: one time and maybe there were two okay episodes there was.
Speaker 1: The rest were good or really good. I was so impressed. See,
Speaker 1: I still feel like Diversity Day holds up like it
Speaker 1: it holds up, Yeah for sure. Yeah, but they all
Speaker 1: kind of do a lot of Like I said, I
Speaker 1: think there was two that I'm like, oh what happened there?
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Speaker 1: You know, one of the signature episodes of the show,
Speaker 1: and certainly for you, was Gay witch Hunt. How and
Speaker 1: when did you find out that Oscar Martinez was actually gay? Okay,
Speaker 1: I will ask that, but before I ask answer that question,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the people on the show
Speaker 1: as people, not not our actors or whatever. Greg Daniels,
Speaker 1: it is such a cool guy that I needed a
Speaker 1: way out of the show so I can go shoot
Speaker 1: halfway Home on Comedy Central because when it rains, it
Speaker 1: pours ladies and gentlemen, and I was like in a
Speaker 1: dilemma and I remember asking Steve Correll. He was walking
Speaker 1: across the park A lot and I ran up something like, Steve,
Speaker 1: I love this show. I love being on it, meaning
Speaker 1: the office. But I have a meeting with not meeting.
Speaker 1: They wanted to do a show with Comedy Central. We're
Speaker 1: past the meeting part. Comedy Center wanted to do a show.
Speaker 1: What what do I do? What can I? Any? Said? Oscar?
Speaker 1: Do everything, don't say no to any work, do everything.
Speaker 1: Figuring it out is not your problem. That's up to
Speaker 1: your managers and agents. Say yes everything. They'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh cool, okay. And Greg Daniels figured
Speaker 1: it out. What a lovely man? What what a lovely
Speaker 1: human being, Oscar? You get. We'll figure a way to
Speaker 1: get you out of the show. Go do your ten
Speaker 1: shows or whatever, and then come back and will fold
Speaker 1: you back in. So Greg let you leave for how
Speaker 1: many episodes? I think a season? Season? It feels like
Speaker 1: there's a season where I'm not there. Yeah, you you
Speaker 1: were gone for a long period of time when you
Speaker 1: were shooting Halfway House. Would he let you go? I
Speaker 1: had to do ten episodes? Yeah? Yeah? So what was
Speaker 1: this was his device for allowing you and it was fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know which came first. I think I think
Speaker 1: they were going to make me gay anyway, Does that
Speaker 1: make sense? I think so. And then they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's make him get and get him out this way,
Speaker 1: which is a great way to get him out. How
Speaker 1: crazy that he's like, I can't work in this hostile
Speaker 1: environment because this. But meanwhile he's like, I'm just at
Speaker 1: play acting. I'm gonna go with my boyfriend and I'll
Speaker 1: be back. You know, it's because people do that to
Speaker 1: get out of work. Really, wasn't he wasn't. He's smart, right, Uh,
Speaker 1: here's a fun fact? Is it is gonna be fun?
Speaker 1: I don't know. At the time that you were out
Speaker 1: at on Gay witch Hunt, your character Oscar Martinez was
Speaker 1: the only LGBT person of color to be a regular
Speaker 1: on any sitcom at that time. Were you aware of that?
Speaker 1: And why didn't they have a thing for me, like
Speaker 1: a parade or an honorary something. I wasn't told or
Speaker 1: given anything. You were given nothing. No, that's a big deal.
Speaker 1: That's a big deal, is it? Yeah? Why because it's
Speaker 1: the first one. I'm like, uh, like Barack Obama not
Speaker 1: to say you're like Barack Obama. I'm not saying your words,
Speaker 1: not mine. I was the first GPT guy to be
Speaker 1: out to being a serious person of color. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was both, not just one. But how do you feel
Speaker 1: about the fact that you were that you're not really
Speaker 1: gay or a person of color. I'm a person of color,
Speaker 1: I'm a Latino and you are. Brother. I I think
Speaker 1: it was great and whatever helps to cause this is
Speaker 1: fine by me. I think it's great. Yeah, well you
Speaker 1: wont awards, right, that's how I planned it. No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I I was nominated for some gay
Speaker 1: award and I took my two gay friends with me.
Speaker 1: Maybe yes. And I went with my friends Michael and Joel,
Speaker 1: who I have known forever, and they were gay, and
Speaker 1: they were rolling their eyes. They're like, you asshole, you're
Speaker 1: not even gay. I'm like, look at me and better
Speaker 1: than you, guys. You guys, you gotta get on board.
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh my god. Joel wasn't act up,
Speaker 1: like fighting the fight for real, and he's like, good lord,
Speaker 1: what is happening. I'm like, don't be jealous, it's funny.
Speaker 1: Did you feel a responsibility did the gay community? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Or the Latino community. They should be lucky to have
Speaker 1: me the gay and Latino community. No, I know, But
Speaker 1: did you feel out they're lucky stars? Do you feel
Speaker 1: a responsibility? Did they feel a responsibility to me? Ask
Speaker 1: them turn the tables around? Well, they know, probably not.
Speaker 1: Now I didn't, you'd probably be shunned from the LGBT community.
Speaker 1: And I disagree. I think no. I think I'd be
Speaker 1: raised up high. The kids would get it. They raised
Speaker 1: me up high. I'd be invited to YouTube videos. All
Speaker 1: sorts of ship would be happening. Here's the thing. I'd
Speaker 1: be invited to YouTube videos the kids. That's what they're
Speaker 1: doing now, Brian, that's the best thing that somebody could
Speaker 1: offer you. A YouTube video. That's what they're doing. Believe
Speaker 1: it or not, they get millions of hits now, listen,
Speaker 1: this is the deal. The I didn't. I never thought, oh,
Speaker 1: like the pressure responsibility because I knew that the show
Speaker 1: was golden, that we were a responsible show to begin with.
Speaker 1: So it's lovingly taking care of all everything. I He
Speaker 1: came from a place of he's compassionate, but he's a
Speaker 1: bit of an asshole too, because he's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a snob. Just like me. That's where they got
Speaker 1: it from. You know, for all for the show being
Speaker 1: people are like Michael Sony. It's a very gentle, compassionate show.
Speaker 1: It really is. Yeah. So I'm like, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 1: Did finding out that you were gay change your character? No?
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. It couldn't change my character because
Speaker 1: I was already gay. But I think that's interesting that
Speaker 1: you realized, like, no, I'm just a guy who works
Speaker 1: in an office, and the fact that I'm Latino, or
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm homosexual or like those those things
Speaker 1: don't define who I am. But but this, this is
Speaker 1: happening now. It wasn't happening while we were shooting, but
Speaker 1: now because of Netflix, we're getting I'm getting a lot
Speaker 1: of people coming up to being going, I came out
Speaker 1: because of you. And then you know this just specifically,
Speaker 1: like this where some comic con and this beautiful a
Speaker 1: young lady in a in a elfin outfit with blond hair,
Speaker 1: just striking, and she comes up and she's like, I
Speaker 1: came out because of you, and my girlfriend doesn't watch
Speaker 1: a show. I'm gonna bring her back tomorrow to meet you.
Speaker 1: And she did. She came back with her just as
Speaker 1: beautiful girlth So those things are cool and and that's
Speaker 1: because of the show. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, it's trippy. They're like,
Speaker 1: because of your show, I came out and you helped
Speaker 1: me so much, etcetera, etcetera. Some of them are happy,
Speaker 1: some of them are crying. It's it's a crazy thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the show means so much to so many people. You
Speaker 1: know that. It's crazy. Wow, you think you're just doing
Speaker 1: a show. I didn't think. I'm just I'm not even
Speaker 1: like a like a like a. My character isn't particularly noble.
Speaker 1: He's just a regular guy, and they see so much
Speaker 1: noble and they're just just seeing you makes it so cool.
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, cool, thank you. Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 1: You mentioned before that you're just like Obama when Obama better?
Speaker 1: Can I say that? Is that? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Do you remember, uh when Obama was elected? Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there was any discussion on set
Speaker 1: or did anything happen around set when Obama was elected?
Speaker 1: It was very traumatic because it was the first time
Speaker 1: in my life where the president and first Lady were
Speaker 1: younger than I am. And it's gonna happen that hasn't
Speaker 1: happened to you. It's shocking, it is awful, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love them so and they're so young.
Speaker 1: But do you know the two letters we have it
Speaker 1: at the office. Remember you even know what they are, right,
Speaker 1: the two letters that came in. There was one letter,
Speaker 1: a fan letter, one by catering somewhere backstage, Aaron Sarkin,
Speaker 1: and then Steve Carrell came in with a letter sent
Speaker 1: to his house and he's like, you guys, don't want
Speaker 1: to read you this letter. And it's like, oh, dear Steve,
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that. At the White
Speaker 1: House the Office, Thursday is family Night and Michelle and
Speaker 1: I and the girls get together and it was a
Speaker 1: letter that the President sent Steve Carrell because the Obama's
Speaker 1: are a fan of the show. And he said he
Speaker 1: showed it to his children and they were all They're like,
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Speaker 1: were really the straight man. Like you had your idiosyncrasies, yes,
Speaker 1: I think so, But in the office you were you
Speaker 1: were the barometer of reason very often Jim and myself. Yes,
Speaker 1: which is what they're talking about in the coalition of reason. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. Are you you know, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: looking at sort of the history of comedy in a way,
Speaker 1: how does what is it? Oh? Come on, you can
Speaker 1: do it, Brian, I believe, And you ask you a question.
Speaker 1: The archetype of the straight man sort of in the
Speaker 1: history of comedy. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that easier for you to do or
Speaker 1: is that harder? Oh? They're both good. It's apples and oranges.
Speaker 1: It's lovely. It was a lovely character because he's he's
Speaker 1: a straight man, but he still has a little bit
Speaker 1: delusions of grandeur, which you need because that you need
Speaker 1: that right that well, nobody's perfect or nobody exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Angela was a little off too. She was almost there,
Speaker 1: but then she was a little off. Everybody was a
Speaker 1: little off, right, Toby, every single even Jim. He was
Speaker 1: too much of a prankster. He didn't take the job seriously.
Speaker 1: He was a little too right, juvenile. But you you know,
Speaker 1: I think so many of the scenes between you and
Speaker 1: Steve were so special because you know you had Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: did you just sit there and stare at him, just
Speaker 1: stare at him? Well, and you would do that well,
Speaker 1: he said, things would get the laugh because you did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's all you had to do, stare at him. And
Speaker 1: people at home go, what is he thinking? He can't
Speaker 1: say anything, it's his job, he's being good. And now
Speaker 1: he's excusing themself. Thank you and just get up and
Speaker 1: leave right because he's like Oscar and it's the build up,
Speaker 1: the fucking Correll build up. Oscar, can I see from
Speaker 1: moments it down? Um? I ask you something, Um, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go in for a colonoscope, And I was
Speaker 1: what can I do to make it more comfortable for
Speaker 1: him or me? And he just trails it off and
Speaker 1: just leaves it like it's like it's a solid like
Speaker 1: a reasonable question to ask me, and I'm supposed what
Speaker 1: am I supposed to tell him? I think I think
Speaker 1: I just excused myself. I'm like, okay, Mike, I just
Speaker 1: got up and left. You found out that Steve was leaving.
Speaker 1: How how did you feel about that when on the show? Oh?
Speaker 1: For real? Yeah, for real, it was very sad. It
Speaker 1: was very sad. Oh yeah, I was very sad. And
Speaker 1: I try and I didn't want to cry because I'm
Speaker 1: Cuban and I was you can't, I just we don't.
Speaker 1: So everybody was crying very freely, and I did cry
Speaker 1: when We're in the warehouse and we gave him a
Speaker 1: stupid hockey short or something that I did have to
Speaker 1: excuse myself and went back behind the boxes and cry
Speaker 1: because freaking and Paul Eberstein started crying, and then I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is just crazy. What did you think
Speaker 1: at the time or now the greater loss to the
Speaker 1: show losing Steve or Michael what do you mean Michael Scott,
Speaker 1: the the character. Yeah, like, like Steve was a great
Speaker 1: guy himself and was like our leader. Yes, Steve Carrell.
Speaker 1: What was the greater loss to the show losing Steve
Speaker 1: Carrell or losing Michael Scott. Are you asking this question
Speaker 1: of everyone? I've asked it a couple of times. It's
Speaker 1: a tricky question. Yeah, most of them have said that.
Speaker 1: I don't don't think I had anyone else not understand
Speaker 1: the question. But they're both Well, it's a no win situation,
Speaker 1: the questions. And though I can't be I always want
Speaker 1: to be a hero at the end of the question.
Speaker 1: I always wanted people to say, look at that kid,
Speaker 1: look at that Oscar, and just let him continue doing
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's wonderful. And now some people are
Speaker 1: gonna say, what you picked the wrong one. All right,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Let's see, losing Steve was difficult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that character, man, that's the whole show. Man, that's
Speaker 1: the whole show. There's no show without Michael Scott without that.
Speaker 1: But then there was Yeah, but it wasn't the same.
Speaker 1: That character is just so and it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: perfect character. You know, Evere Devais did it. And then
Speaker 1: there's just that smug he thinks he's better and smarter
Speaker 1: and everything. Uh, non apologetic. Yeah, just crazy. Um. After
Speaker 1: nine years, were you happy with the resolution of Oscar
Speaker 1: running for state Senator. Yeah, I was fine. I think
Speaker 1: they put a lot of thought into it. They asked
Speaker 1: us for ideas all the time, and I'm like, you
Speaker 1: guys are fine. I don't. I have some ideas, but
Speaker 1: they're not great. You guys are fine. Yeah, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought the show ended well. Did you feel like
Speaker 1: when the show wrapped up where you did you feel
Speaker 1: like it was time? Were you happy with how it
Speaker 1: wrapped up? Though? I am. I could not ask for
Speaker 1: more from Greg Daniels, and especially he's such a gentleman.
Speaker 1: He checked in with us. He doesn't have to do that.
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you guys think I'm kind of done,
Speaker 1: and we're like, yeah, whatever you want, right, Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's awesome. Well, it enabled us to tell the full
Speaker 1: story to Yeah, and the documentary being seen by the characters,
Speaker 1: no one, no, nothing else to do. I get a
Speaker 1: big kick. I know people want it back and they
Speaker 1: keep asking us and I'm like, you guys, what and
Speaker 1: if we go back we might ruin it. What are
Speaker 1: we gonna write? What is there left to do? They
Speaker 1: love the characters. I get it, I get it. They
Speaker 1: love the characters. Well, we've talked about this a lot
Speaker 1: that the show. It was the number one scripted show
Speaker 1: on NBC. Yet the show now is more popular than
Speaker 1: it ever was. Why do you think that is. I
Speaker 1: don't know. The kids love it. Before when we started
Speaker 1: doing these conferences that we started doing this year, and
Speaker 1: people were coming in with eleven year old and they're like, look,
Speaker 1: my kid watched the show and I'm like, okay, And
Speaker 1: now it's eight. People are like this eight year old
Speaker 1: is a fan of the show. I'm like, is that good?
Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, they love it. It's fine. Kids
Speaker 1: love it. High school kids love it. College kids love it.
Speaker 1: You know, I get it when I was when I
Speaker 1: was growing up, For me, it was believe it or not.
Speaker 1: The Odd Couple. I thought The Odd Couple was like
Speaker 1: so funny, even even before you know, taxi or cheers.
Speaker 1: I would have my head would have explored if I
Speaker 1: would have ran into Tony Randall walking around you know
Speaker 1: the streets of New York City. Is that where you
Speaker 1: learned to speak English? The Odd Couple? Um? No, I
Speaker 1: think it was The Flying Nun. Actually I did learn
Speaker 1: English from TV? Did you? But but what show you
Speaker 1: The Flying Nun taught you English? No? My first memories
Speaker 1: of TV are a black and white TV show called
Speaker 1: sing Along with Mitch. This is Memories of Massachusetts and
Speaker 1: the car Bonnet Show. And I thought Harvey Corman was
Speaker 1: the funniest thing in the world. I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to do what that guy does. I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is he's doing, but I want to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Harvey Corman. And then Tony Randall was the other influence.
Speaker 1: You are a lot like Harvey Corman. He's the best.
Speaker 1: He's so funny. He would come out and I loved
Speaker 1: like he would come and I was little, and he
Speaker 1: would come out and do this bit where they were
Speaker 1: already on stage, like doing a Civil War whatever they
Speaker 1: were doing, ken Berry and Calburnett in costume, and then
Speaker 1: he would make an entrance. Harvey Korman would make an
Speaker 1: entrance and the audience would clap, and instead of going
Speaker 1: and joining them, he would pretend like he had no choice,
Speaker 1: like he would walk over and break the fourth wall
Speaker 1: and bow and like stay there two minutes and carlburnets
Speaker 1: on stage waiting and my father would lose ship and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh star, he come do what they are
Speaker 1: waiting for him? But no, he going, Hey, bowcome on,
Speaker 1: sonom I'm bitch. He comes and I'm like, oh, he's
Speaker 1: not really mad at him. He gets it, he gets
Speaker 1: it that he's that he's breaking the fourth wall. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Harry Carman, he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He knows that. He's like, my dad's not mad at
Speaker 1: I'm like, all these ships happening. I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: fine through your head. Yeah, because that's one of your
Speaker 1: favorite bits. Now you've stolen it from Harvey, stole it
Speaker 1: from Harvey Corman. Yeah, that's amazing. And you've got a
Speaker 1: little impression on my dad. Yeah, I didn't know you
Speaker 1: could do that accent. Um. What are you most thankful
Speaker 1: for about the show that we that Kevin Riley said
Speaker 1: let's get these guys because it changed our lives, you know,
Speaker 1: and that wouldn't have happened if we didn't get like
Speaker 1: two seasons. Three season pilot doesn't do anything. You still
Speaker 1: gotta keep your day job one season, but five season,
Speaker 1: six seasons, that makes your career, That makes your life,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what I'm most thankful for. And
Speaker 1: people are like, go Ricky, Drs Ricky debis that well?
Speaker 1: Thank you Mr Jervis for your imagination, right him and
Speaker 1: Steve Merchant. Ladies and gentlemen, you know him most as
Speaker 1: the guy in the State Farm commercials Oscar nun Yes,
Speaker 1: is there an award from me or something here? Do
Speaker 1: you have something? No? I just wanted to make a
Speaker 1: state farm joke. That was literally all it was. That
Speaker 1: was where my brain went. Some people only know me
Speaker 1: from the State Farm commercial. Thank you, truly. I I
Speaker 1: think in the world this is true. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: nice for one second in the world. No one makes
Speaker 1: me laugh as consistently and as often. Thank you, buddy.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And knowing that that I'm funnier. Um,
Speaker 1: well there's the irony. Well there you have it. Now
Speaker 1: you all know what the real Oscar is actually like,
Speaker 1: or do you? Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, and do I thank
Speaker 1: Oscar for joining me. It was an experience and one
Speaker 1: that I'll remember. We're gonna be back next week with
Speaker 1: another episode, which I mean, who knows where that's gonna
Speaker 1: take us. Things are getting weird here on the Office
Speaker 1: Deep Dive. Until then, everybody, have a great week. The
Speaker 1: Office Deep Dive is hosted and executive produced by me
Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner, alongside our executive producer Langley. Our senior producer
Speaker 1: is Tessa Kramer. Our producer is Adam Massias, our associate
Speaker 1: producer is Emily Carr, and our assistant editor is Diego Tapia.
Speaker 1: My main man in the booth is Alec Moore. Our
Speaker 1: theme song Bubble and Squeak for warmed by my great
Speaker 1: friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed by seth Olansky.
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