Speaker 1: M Hey everybody, it's me Josh, and for this week's
Speaker 1: s Y s K Selects, I've chosen what makes us yawn?
Speaker 1: It's actually a really good question about something everyone does,
Speaker 1: and yet we don't really fully understand. After all of
Speaker 1: these eons of people yawning and all these centuries of
Speaker 1: science studying things like people yawning, we still can't explain
Speaker 1: what yawning is. So buckle in and enjoy this episode
Speaker 1: of Stuff You Should Know. Selex, Welcome to Stuff You
Speaker 1: Should Know, a production of My Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with Charles W.
Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant. You're getting comfy. Yeah, okay, well you put
Speaker 1: the two of us together, and this is Stuff you
Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast. Frank was squeaking. I thought I
Speaker 1: was in Frank. Was that Frank? Yeah? I was sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm in Francine. Okay, sorry Francine squeaking, You are in Frank?
Speaker 1: Who are you? Let's build a chair? Uh? People have
Speaker 1: never heard this or like, what are they talking about?
Speaker 1: They've already turned off. We name our chairs people then,
Speaker 1: and everyone he named cars, boats, and chairs. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: surprising amount of people named chairs. If you don't, you
Speaker 1: should be paranoid because people are talking about you. It's right, um, chuck, Yes,
Speaker 1: have you ever oscitated? I have, I've even uh pendiculated.
Speaker 1: Do you pendiculated before? I pendiculate every morning? You know
Speaker 1: what we we sound like? Um people running for the
Speaker 1: Senate in nineteen fifties Florida. Yeah, there's like Florida has
Speaker 1: a rich history of um like people running for political
Speaker 1: office using technical terms for things that sound way worse
Speaker 1: than they are to like smear their opponents. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's this one guy who went and I can thank
Speaker 1: Uncle John and his bathroom readers for um who went
Speaker 1: after his opponent and said that his sister was a
Speaker 1: thespian in New York and like all these people are
Speaker 1: like boo boo. Yeah, and apparently like the smear campaign
Speaker 1: was successful. That wasn't the only one, but this guy
Speaker 1: used that a couple of couple of technical terms. We
Speaker 1: should probably tell people what we're talking about, right, because
Speaker 1: you said you pendiculate every morning, easily every morning, and
Speaker 1: that is a what that is a yawn and a
Speaker 1: stretch combined together. And as one of my favorite things
Speaker 1: to do in the morning it is. Did you did
Speaker 1: you see that painting of the It was a self portrait,
Speaker 1: the artist's self portrait sounded like it was from like
Speaker 1: the sixteenth or seventeenth century of him pendiculating. It's just
Speaker 1: as awesome oil painting of this, you know, Renaissance man
Speaker 1: stretching and yawning. Yeah. I love it because it feels
Speaker 1: good and it uh, it ties me to my pets,
Speaker 1: you know, because like I see them do it, they
Speaker 1: see me do it, and I'm kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: we all eat, we all pee and poop, and we
Speaker 1: all pendiculate. My little cattle stretching yawn. My dogs will
Speaker 1: stretching yawn, and I will stretching you. So do you
Speaker 1: guys make one another stretching ya on? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start looking out for that because I have not
Speaker 1: noticed that. But apparently yawning can be contagious to animals, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a fun little game you can do jogs supposedly
Speaker 1: chimps for sure, but probably not cats, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just because it's not in here doesn't mean it's not true. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a fun little game. You complain the next time
Speaker 1: you're hanging out with people if you feel like manipulating
Speaker 1: them on a biological level, Um, just yawn and just
Speaker 1: start paying attention to how many people yawn as a result,
Speaker 1: and it should start some sort of chain reaction among
Speaker 1: maybe of the people, because that's the that's the statistic
Speaker 1: of how many human adults yawn in reaction to seeing
Speaker 1: somebody on, seeing video of somebody on, hearing about somebody yawning,
Speaker 1: reading about yawning, Like how many times did you yawn
Speaker 1: while you read this article? A bunch? And people will
Speaker 1: probably yawn while listening to this, Supposedly it's pretty much
Speaker 1: impossible not to. Yeah, do you ever? This just really
Speaker 1: shows how deeply disturbed I am. I will not I
Speaker 1: will suppress or cover up a yawn if someone else
Speaker 1: has made me on sometimes just so I don't give
Speaker 1: them the satisfaction. Oh yeah, I've done that before. Sometimes
Speaker 1: he was like, no, I'm not like just some stranger
Speaker 1: on an elevator. They'll yawn and I'll just be like, Nope,
Speaker 1: not me, buddy. One of those people who don't realize that,
Speaker 1: like they're they're just your mortal enemy for no real
Speaker 1: good reason, when in fact they really don't even know exists, right,
Speaker 1: they're like some guys on the elevator, right, So yawning
Speaker 1: is involuntary. Um, And I've seen a range of of
Speaker 1: weeks that a fetus has been observed yawning from eleven
Speaker 1: to twenty and uh, that sort of disproves one of
Speaker 1: the well many things, disproves one of the theories, which
Speaker 1: is that we yawned to oxygenate ourselves. Yeah, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people think that fetus is um, breathe amniotic
Speaker 1: fluid in the womb, and that is absolutely not true.
Speaker 1: The oxygen to the umbilical cord. Yeah, so they're not
Speaker 1: clearly not yawning to oxygenate themselves. Right, And we'll debunk
Speaker 1: that with other things in a minute. Sure, Um, but
Speaker 1: that's still it is a little bit of a mystery though, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the other the other ideas for why we yawned don't
Speaker 1: really hold up in the fetus either. It feels like
Speaker 1: that's where the key to the mystery of yawning is
Speaker 1: going to be found in. All right, should we go
Speaker 1: there over some theories and well, hold on, first, you're
Speaker 1: saying it's involuntary. I found this one thing, Chuck, that
Speaker 1: there's a type of paralysis like a lesion on the
Speaker 1: brain where you can still if you yawn, you still pendiculate,
Speaker 1: So like you're paralyzed arm. If you yawn deep enough,
Speaker 1: will will raise, will rise. Yeah, pretty weird. Huh. There's
Speaker 1: only been a few cases of it over like the
Speaker 1: last hundred and fifty years, but it's been documented in
Speaker 1: a number of different places. Yeah, but that is such
Speaker 1: a surprise. Yeah, seriously, they're like, can I be tired
Speaker 1: more often? Um So when you yawn, just physiologically speaking,
Speaker 1: you're gonna open your mouth. You're going to suck in
Speaker 1: air into your lungs. I read one place that you
Speaker 1: your eyes usually close. They did this big study and
Speaker 1: found that most time your eyes closed. But I don't
Speaker 1: think it's like all the time. You know that's sneezing
Speaker 1: you're thinking of. No, they did a study on on
Speaker 1: the eyes of the yawner. Well that's part of the
Speaker 1: yawn too, as far as um queues go, Like, it's
Speaker 1: not just the mouth opening your eyes quint. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I found like the really good deep yawn, um, my
Speaker 1: eyes will generally close. So you're gonna flex your your abs.
Speaker 1: It's good workout. It's gonna put your dye for RAM down.
Speaker 1: You're gonna fill your lungs with air and then exhale
Speaker 1: and that as a yawn stretch, you're pendiculating. UM. Also,
Speaker 1: parts of your brain become active, right. UM. Basically what
Speaker 1: happens when all of this, when you go through all
Speaker 1: this process, a bunch of neurotransmitters and dopamine are activated.
Speaker 1: And that is why a guy named Robert Provine thinks well.
Speaker 1: He says that, UM, yawns are basically a part of
Speaker 1: a change from one state of arousal to another. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was asleep, now I'm awake, or I was
Speaker 1: I was alert, now on board, or I was like
Speaker 1: just ho hum, and now I'm like in the mood
Speaker 1: because there you can yawn when you're sexually aroused. So
Speaker 1: that mood, YEA, the mood, the mood, the Glenn Miller mood.
Speaker 1: That's what they had to call it back then, and
Speaker 1: that's what we have to call it today on this
Speaker 1: family friendly podcast. UM. What's going on to is physiologically speaking,
Speaker 1: as we are distributing UM, something called the surfactant, which
Speaker 1: sounds gross and it kind of is. It's a wedding agent. Uh.
Speaker 1: To cote al violi in the lungs. Um. But are
Speaker 1: they saying that's what happens or that's why it happens,
Speaker 1: that's what happens. Okay, they're not saying the reason is
Speaker 1: to cope the alboli with surfact then, right, it could be.
Speaker 1: I mean, for all we know. No, we still have
Speaker 1: no idea what function yawning provides. Same with the the
Speaker 1: yawning as a symbol of arousal or is a sign
Speaker 1: of arousal. They think that it's really just a byproduct
Speaker 1: of it, you know. Okay, but it explains why people
Speaker 1: who are nervous or dogs. I'm sure you've seen dogs
Speaker 1: who are nervous and they yawn and like that really
Speaker 1: kind of weird, unsettling ways when they're super worked up. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and humans too, you know, like people will yawn when
Speaker 1: they're nervous. It's it's it's it's a sign that you're
Speaker 1: in a state of arousal. And what that state of
Speaker 1: arousal is depends on the situation. Yeah. They point to
Speaker 1: Olympians who yawned before like a race, and um, which
Speaker 1: Poopoo's one theory that we're going to get to the theory.
Speaker 1: So we just get to the theories. Let's get to
Speaker 1: the theory. Poops. That theory though, that you have to
Speaker 1: be bored or you have to be sleepy retired. Yeah
Speaker 1: like that. There's the boredom theory, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: been pretty fully shot down just by you know, just
Speaker 1: casual observation. There's also the physiological theory, which is that
Speaker 1: this is the one that I'd always heard when I
Speaker 1: was younger, like, why are you yawned? Is because you
Speaker 1: needed your oxygen deprived or you have an abundance of
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide. So you're drawing in a bunch of oxygen
Speaker 1: and like putting out a bunch of carbon dioxide. That's
Speaker 1: why you're yawned. And provine or provine that you mentioned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he tested this one right, Yeah, pretty simply. He just said, okay, well, um,
Speaker 1: let's just give some athletes a bunch of oxygen and
Speaker 1: see if they um, if they breathe, if they yawn
Speaker 1: any less than they didn't. He also um increased the
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide in the ambient air and people still kept yawning. Okay,
Speaker 1: so that one's gold, but they didn't yawn anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we can put that to bed. Yeah. Plus also
Speaker 1: there was a terrible um hy proof associated with that
Speaker 1: hypothesis that that explains why people yawning groups, because when
Speaker 1: you have a big group, more carbon dioxide and less oxygen,
Speaker 1: and that's like you're all fighting over the oxygen. Right,
Speaker 1: So you're there yawning. Yeah, whoever can yawn the deepest lives?
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound right. Evolution UM could play a part.
Speaker 1: Some people think that maybe we used to yawn took
Speaker 1: took Wood yawn to bare his teeth to intimidate folks
Speaker 1: around him UM, or that it developed as a signal.
Speaker 1: Took Took would give a signal to his mates that hey,
Speaker 1: we gotta we're hunting now and we need to go
Speaker 1: now gather would so I will yawn to tell you
Speaker 1: that like pre speech, right, Yeah, like a bird turning
Speaker 1: if the whole flock. Yeah, that makes a little bit
Speaker 1: of sense, But I still don't believe that one. I'm
Speaker 1: with the brain cooling theory. That's like the most recent
Speaker 1: one and it seems to be the one that people
Speaker 1: are subscribing to. Ye. Scientists generally are leaning toward the
Speaker 1: fact that UM, when our brains are warmer, yawning might
Speaker 1: cool it down in A cool brain is a more whatever,
Speaker 1: a better brain. I guess I should say I just
Speaker 1: better for thinking I just yawned, did you I did? Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't see it. Well, I covered my mouth. You
Speaker 1: might have thought I was purpening. I think I did. Um.
Speaker 1: So the brain cooling theory, that's the one that most
Speaker 1: people think is lately, that's the that's the explanation to
Speaker 1: your yeah, um. And there's another piece of research that
Speaker 1: people are going into that um is the idea that
Speaker 1: contagious yawning is the result of empathy, right, that you
Speaker 1: that you empathize, The more you empathize with other people,
Speaker 1: the more susceptible you are contagious yawning. And we said
Speaker 1: earlier that like I think of human adults, UM are
Speaker 1: susceptible to contagious yawning, right, which the MythBusters confirmed by
Speaker 1: the way. Okay, so there is some sort of link
Speaker 1: between what we perceive his empathy and the susceptibility to yawning.
Speaker 1: When you see somebody else yawning or reading about yawning
Speaker 1: or whatever, I wonder if it's like a boy, that
Speaker 1: guy's tired and just let me make him feel better. Well,
Speaker 1: the pro vine again, he's like really into yawning research. Um.
Speaker 1: He he has done m r I scans where he
Speaker 1: shows I guess pictures of people yawning or talked about
Speaker 1: yawning and you know they yawn um. And when they do,
Speaker 1: he says that mere neurons go off friends, right, So
Speaker 1: are our mere neurons are activated when you see somebody
Speaker 1: else yawn? And apparently that triggers the yawn. But people
Speaker 1: take it a step further in this quest to prove
Speaker 1: that empathy and contagious yawning are you know, want work
Speaker 1: hand in hand and saying, well, then people with autism
Speaker 1: that that they shouldn't be able to to be susceptible
Speaker 1: to contagious yawning, right, because they're known to have less empathy, right,
Speaker 1: they had trouble connecting with others or um, they have
Speaker 1: trouble developing what's called the theory of mind about other people. Um.
Speaker 1: And there have been a lot of studies about whether
Speaker 1: or not people who are people who have autism are contagious?
Speaker 1: Is too susceptible the contagious yawning? Yeah, and it's it's
Speaker 1: it's been proven, not proven, but at least. The data
Speaker 1: says that the more, uh, the the stronger your autism,
Speaker 1: the less you will yawn, even though uh they will
Speaker 1: yawn when someone is pretending to yawn. Was that what
Speaker 1: it was? Yeah? I think it said that, Um, when
Speaker 1: they're watching video of people just moving their mouths, then
Speaker 1: non autistic kids yawned more than kids with autism when
Speaker 1: it was really yawning. Does that make sense? Yes, Well,
Speaker 1: hold on before we get to that, um, because this
Speaker 1: is like a whole thing to me, the idea that
Speaker 1: if you have autism you're not susceptible and contagious yawning.
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Speaker 1: So I believe we were talking about autism and yawning,
Speaker 1: which is I just learned a thing for you. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: you said that there was. Um. They have found that
Speaker 1: if you have been diagnosed with autism, you're less likely
Speaker 1: to be susceptible and contagious yawning. And they found that
Speaker 1: the higher on the autism spectrum you fall, the less
Speaker 1: lucky would you would even be right? Yeah, which would
Speaker 1: suggest that there is that link because they've tied there
Speaker 1: there's a link between uh, empathy and an autism and
Speaker 1: empathy and contagious yawning. So this autism and studying kids
Speaker 1: with autism is kind of like the fulcrum. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it just seems to me to be kind of Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I don't buy all the
Speaker 1: studies that have been carried out. Another studies kind of contradicted,
Speaker 1: like they other studies have shown that like kids with
Speaker 1: autism focus on people's mouths rather than their eyes, So
Speaker 1: maybe they're missing the cue. Member. We said that your
Speaker 1: eyes scrunch, so like a yawn is not just people
Speaker 1: opening their mouths. It has all these other facial characteristics
Speaker 1: that might trigger a yawn and another person. So maybe
Speaker 1: kids with autism are simply missing that. So you're saying,
Speaker 1: maybe the data could be skewed by other factors. It
Speaker 1: could be plus. I just remember when I wrote this
Speaker 1: article like years back, I was kind of like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it seems just slightly off, like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got a good gut though, Well thanks man, I've been
Speaker 1: working on it so bad. Um Well, we should also
Speaker 1: mention too that this goes back a long way, like
Speaker 1: I believe was it Hippocrates? Yeah, was the first person
Speaker 1: to start sort of postulating ideas, and he was like, uh,
Speaker 1: he thought it was fever related, like sickness. It could
Speaker 1: help cure you. So I got a fever and the
Speaker 1: only prescription is more yawning. That's why here's the father
Speaker 1: of medicine. That's right, because he was the first guy
Speaker 1: to just start saying stuff. But you know that was
Speaker 1: pretty quickly disproven. Right. But um, the idea that yawning
Speaker 1: has something to do with um increasing our alertness and awareness,
Speaker 1: which is kind of one of the current views of yawning.
Speaker 1: Um that dates back to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well it increases your heart rate during inhalation only um,
Speaker 1: not during uh the I think it it It increases
Speaker 1: and then levels off and then just drops back down
Speaker 1: to the more pretty quickly, I got you. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: up to like thirty beats per minute increase. Right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I read a real heavy article on this study that
Speaker 1: really just made my eyes cross. But that was a
Speaker 1: long and short of it. Right, But that's one that
Speaker 1: dealt with the eyes, Like they really measured all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh. And when we said that fetus is
Speaker 1: from eleven to twenty weeks of development yawn in utero
Speaker 1: and did you see any of like the four d
Speaker 1: ultrasounds of fetus? Is yawning? Is it adorable? It's pretty cute,
Speaker 1: but it's also weird at the same time because they're
Speaker 1: not fully developed. It's it's like, oh you, it's like
Speaker 1: a little baby platypus kind of um, but you have
Speaker 1: to be around age four before you um can Uh,
Speaker 1: you're susceptible the contagious yawning. Yeah, it's there, any way
Speaker 1: to put it besides susceptible the contagious yawning, I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Do you feel like you've said that like
Speaker 1: a lot and I've had trouble with it every time. Uh.
Speaker 1: There's another couple of researchers who a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: um Andrew Gallup and Omar Tansi Elda car H. They
Speaker 1: found that outside temperature could affect the amount of yawning.
Speaker 1: So if it's warmer than usual, then you're gonna yawn
Speaker 1: less frequently because um. Their explanation is the outside air
Speaker 1: is useless to the organism because it doesn't need to
Speaker 1: suck in more oxygen. I don't get how the temperture
Speaker 1: would affect that though. Well, if it's warmer temperature and
Speaker 1: you're using the cooler air to cool your brain, if
Speaker 1: it's warmer than the temperature of your brain, then okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah all right. Well they had other
Speaker 1: tests though, that's that showed that the amount of yawning
Speaker 1: increase both when outside temperature and the temperature of the
Speaker 1: brain increase. Yeah, it's all over the place. No, no
Speaker 1: one knows anything about yawning except Robert Provine, the foremost
Speaker 1: leading authority. Well, well he's proven that like seeing your
Speaker 1: hearing about somebody yawning, it triggers your mirror neurons. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think somebody should do a documentary on these people
Speaker 1: that become obsessed with yawns. No, just like a certain
Speaker 1: small thing. So you're yawning right now? Um, And that
Speaker 1: was unsatisfying because you made me laugh in the middle
Speaker 1: of it. I think like fast, cheap and out of control.
Speaker 1: I've talked about it before. Errol Morris's documentary sort of
Speaker 1: did that, but that was about like studying naked mole
Speaker 1: rats or lion taming or um what's it called when
Speaker 1: you clip the hedges in diopiary gardening. But someone they
Speaker 1: should do things that are even more like mundane, like
Speaker 1: this dude that has dedicated as life to yawning. I
Speaker 1: just think they'd be interesting, Like what drives provine? Figure
Speaker 1: this out? When it really doesn't matter, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying? Well, I don't know, because and it's not
Speaker 1: just yawning. He he frequently is cited as a yawning expert.
Speaker 1: He's an evolutionary biologist. Okay, so like, but yawning, since
Speaker 1: it's involuntary, and since you find it in all vertebrates,
Speaker 1: it kind of gives some peek into our evolutionary past. Plus,
Speaker 1: he probably just loves a good mystery. Sure, he had
Speaker 1: a great quote too. We were talking how arousal yawning
Speaker 1: is a is a byproduct of a state of arousal.
Speaker 1: He was saying that he believes that um, yawns and
Speaker 1: orgasms share a neurobehavioral heritage. Yeah, so, like they're possibly
Speaker 1: rooted in the same behavior. Like remember you said it yourself,
Speaker 1: when you pendiculate feels good, same, you know with the orgasm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've heard those feel great, right, So possibly if
Speaker 1: you trace the lineage of this behavior back far enough,
Speaker 1: you'd see like, oh, they both came from when humans
Speaker 1: juice to stub their toe. They thought it was awesome,
Speaker 1: and then the things diverged into these two things interesting
Speaker 1: into uh, yawning and what happens when you're in the
Speaker 1: mood the Glenn Miller mood. Right, Ah, you got anything else? No, man,
Speaker 1: that is yawning forever until somebody figures it out. It's
Speaker 1: a mystery. Yeah, and I kind of like it like that,
Speaker 1: But at the same time, I think it's it's so
Speaker 1: amorphous that there's no no one has a clue. Like
Speaker 1: sometimes we've talked about stuff that science couldn't fully explain,
Speaker 1: but we almost always like pick a theory, like this
Speaker 1: is the one. It just hasn't been proven yet, right,
Speaker 1: this one. I don't feel like we did that, Like
Speaker 1: we both like the brain cooling one, but it was
Speaker 1: kind of discarded. Yeah, and I'm definitely gonna keep an
Speaker 1: eye on my pets, um, But then I don't know
Speaker 1: if like, can you induce that just by noticing more,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm saying, or maybe what
Speaker 1: I'll do is I'll watch Emily around the pets so
Speaker 1: no one's in on it. Just be careful, you don't
Speaker 1: accidentally change their behavior just by observing it's Buckley farts
Speaker 1: every time he stretches too. And see that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: We'll see if Emily farts while she andiculates, right, that'll
Speaker 1: be the death's nice. Um. So okay, I think if
Speaker 1: you guys want to learn more about yawning, you can
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Speaker 1: offered us some and then asked if we wanted to
Speaker 1: hear his new song, saying he had just written it
Speaker 1: the other day. He said sure because he seemed so
Speaker 1: incredibly excited about it. He played the song for us
Speaker 1: and played it again, which I thought was interesting. He
Speaker 1: played it twice, So did you like that? You want
Speaker 1: to hear it again? Wait before you answer, let me
Speaker 1: play it a second time. Uh. And then we talked
Speaker 1: some more about music and love and he played it
Speaker 1: once again. No way, I guess he played it three times. Um.
Speaker 1: I saw many many times over the next few years
Speaker 1: and met his middle daughter as well. He'll played the
Speaker 1: same song every time. But I'll never forget sitting under
Speaker 1: the stag stars all alone with him in a majestic
Speaker 1: old Detroit courtyard giving my boyfriend and me a private
Speaker 1: concert of a single song. That's cool played Thrice in
Speaker 1: passing the Cheap Brandy. He really is. It's kind and
Speaker 1: happy of a soul, as the movie says, that's cool.
Speaker 1: When you watch Churching for sugar Man, you can see
Speaker 1: a couple of people talking to the Bronx bar and
Speaker 1: even see my old apartment in the background. I hope
Speaker 1: I see you guys soon, Love Julia. Well, thanks Julia.
Speaker 1: Hat tipped to you for being aware of the word Thrice,
Speaker 1: and for um, I guess waiting out the storm in Detroit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for listening to that song three times like very
Speaker 1: patient understanding with the smile plastered on your face the
Speaker 1: last time, Like yeah, very cool memory, I imagine. Yeah. Um,
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