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Speaker 1: Hi, Curse Up listeners, I know you miss me on

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Speaker 1: your feed. Don't worry. We're working on an all new

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Speaker 1: season of Curse Of coming out later this year. In

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Speaker 1: the meantime, if you can't stop thinking about the shocking

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Speaker 1: stories you heard about America's Next Top Model, you'll definitely

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Speaker 1: want to check out our new docuseries from E Dirty

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Speaker 1: Rotten Scandals. In the series, you'll hear from the America's

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Speaker 1: Next Top Model participants you heard from on Curse Of,

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Speaker 1: and a few you didn't like former A and TM

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Speaker 1: judge Janis Dickinson. Dirty Rotten Scandals unveils the dark underbelly

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Speaker 1: of the long running TV series through the untold stories

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Speaker 1: of former contestants, and shows what happens when a golden

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Speaker 1: opportunity for aspiring models unravels into a harrowing saga of exploitation,

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Speaker 1: shattered dreams, and resilience. You can find the two part

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Speaker 1: docuseries Dirty Rotten Scandals America's Next Top Model on E Network.

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Speaker 1: Check your local TV provider schedule.

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Speaker 2: Would Adrian and Shannon come in? Please?

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Speaker 1: It's July eighth, two thousand and three, and America's Next

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Speaker 1: Top Model is about to crown its first ever winner.

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Speaker 3: The judges have reached a decision.

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Speaker 2: One of you is about to be a star.

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Speaker 1: After weeks of watching ten, then nine, then eight, and

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Speaker 1: finally the last two women be transformed into POI supermodels.

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Speaker 1: The most deserving young woman was about to have all

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Speaker 1: her dreams come true.

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Speaker 2: Let me remind you what's at stake. A contract with Revlin,

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Speaker 2: a fashion spread in Marie Claire magazine, and representation by

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Speaker 2: top modeling agency Will and Minas.

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Speaker 1: The two finalists, Adrian Curry and Shannon Stewart, were standing

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Speaker 1: there because they desperately wanted to become top models. They were,

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Speaker 1: of course both tall, thin and pretty, but Shannon, with

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Speaker 1: her blue eyes, blonde hair, and tan skin, had a

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Speaker 1: more obvious beauty that gave all American supermodel. Adrian, with

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Speaker 1: her pale skin and dark hair, had a more gothic look,

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Speaker 1: a bit like our early two thousands Angelina Joli minus Phillips.

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Speaker 1: Shannon and Adrian, We're both so young eighteen and twenty.

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Speaker 1: Shannon had never traveled without her family before, and for Adrian,

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Speaker 1: this opportunity was her ticket out of a small dead

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Speaker 2: The winner's picture is hanging behind me, and when the

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Speaker 2: cloth is dropped, it will reveal who will be America's

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Speaker 2: next Top Model.

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Speaker 1: They had no idea the show they had just spent

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Speaker 2: The decision is made, America's next Top Model is.

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Speaker 4: Adrian, But after the cameras went down, Adrian would become

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Speaker 4: the first contestant to fall victim to the Curse of

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Speaker 1: She thought when she stepped off that set she was

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Speaker 1: stepping into a career as a top model with a

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Speaker 1: But those prizes never materialized, and neither did her modeling career.

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Speaker 1: I want to be on some Welcome to the Curse

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Speaker 1: of America's Next Top Model. I'm Bridget Armstrong. For a

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Speaker 1: lot of A and TM fans, Cycle one was just

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Speaker 1: address or her as well. They say the show didn't

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Speaker 1: really get good until season two, but cycle one was

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Speaker 1: the blueprint for what A and TM eventually became. So

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Speaker 1: on this episode, we're going back to the origins to

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Speaker 1: explore how this low budget Tyra Banks passion project became

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Speaker 1: a cultural phenomenon. We'll talk about how the season came

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Speaker 1: popularity overshadowed the body shaming, manipulation and false promises. A

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Speaker 1: The problem is it didn't produce a top model in

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Speaker 1: these days. Adrian has been very candid about the show

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Speaker 1: talking from an interview with in Touch Weekly in twenty

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Speaker 5: It's certainly not a show that anyone in the fashion

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Speaker 5: and season one, you don't know that that we knew

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Speaker 5: as much as Kelly Clarkson knew going into American Idol.

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Speaker 1: But unlike Kelly Clarkson, Adrian didn't become a superstar. She

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Speaker 1: She certainly doesn't have a talk show. Adrian's an avon

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Speaker 1: the show seemed to prioritize making great TV, not great models.

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Speaker 1: So let's pick back up where we left Tyra before

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Speaker 1: Now that might sound like a lot of money, but

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Speaker 1: Top Model is an expensive show to make. There are

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Speaker 1: cycle ten, the episode budget was well over one million dollars.

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Speaker 1: To make cycle one work, they had to find a

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Speaker 1: Babyfat director Komoralie Simmons, so she got her to be

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Speaker 1: that's literally how they introduced her on the first episode.

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Speaker 6: Janis became one of the world's first supermodels in the

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Speaker 7: Been in this industry for quite a long time, making

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Speaker 1: Jannis became known for her less than gracious opinions, but

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Speaker 1: female Simon Cowell to be feeding in a negative fashion

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Speaker 1: Escathing vitriolic judge check. Next, they needed some fashion experts

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Speaker 1: His name is Jay Alexander. Come on, Jay Alexander or

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Speaker 1: Miss Jay was well known in the industry is the

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Speaker 1: Next there was Jay Mayuel or Mister j. He eventually

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Speaker 11: Models are canvases.

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Speaker 1: This was before Jay's iconic silver hair. He was still

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Speaker 1: As I've heard over and over on the first seasons,

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Speaker 1: her supposed lack of confidence and her callback. Tyra asked

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Speaker 8: myself for my guy of colleges, and I give him crap.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 12: I told everybody in my whole life, I said, I

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Speaker 12: will never get a bikini wax.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was too young for bikini wax in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three. But this must not have been a

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Speaker 1: widespread thing back then, because these models freaked out. The

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Speaker 1: waxing scene was even the clip they showed on Tyra's

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Speaker 1: late night appearance with Conan O'Brian when she was promoting

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 11: Is that something that a model has to get his new.

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Speaker 6: Models are always told by their agencies that they have

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Speaker 6: to show up at a shoot clean hair, clean face,

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Speaker 6: and clean shaven, and a lot of models don't really

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Speaker 6: understand what that is. I think, okay, clean shaven, clean shaven,

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Speaker 6: and then they get to the shoot and it's like,

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Speaker 6: you know, they forgot a spot, so so.

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Speaker 11: Hah. But this is something that I don't think it's

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Speaker 11: ever been seen on TV. And I was looking at the.

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Speaker 1: Clip today, never scene before on TV. Is wild. Of course,

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Speaker 1: from the beginning, the makeover episodes were a built in

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Speaker 1: day of drama. Although compared to later seasons, these were

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Speaker 1: pretty reasonable. Most of the girls just got two thousands

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Speaker 1: highlights and elevated versions of the hair they already had.

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Speaker 1: But that didn't stop the tears.

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Speaker 9: Giselle cried, Giselle wine, Giselle moaned, Giselle grown, and.

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Speaker 12: I'm just the way I had my hair, So I'm

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Speaker 12: kind of concerned about the link.

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Speaker 7: Robin's finfrushir was her whole hair situation.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel that this color is right for me,

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Speaker 1: so it's kind of like just having like hair color

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Speaker 1: from ag double hockeysticks. The one person they did wrong

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Speaker 1: Ebony Hay. Ebony was this gorgeous, striking black woman with

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Speaker 1: very short, almost no hair except for a bit at

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Speaker 1: the top. There wasn't much to change about her look,

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Speaker 1: so Tyra decided to cut that off.

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Speaker 10: It was really just frustrating, and people didn't I have

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Speaker 10: the correct clippers.

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Speaker 11: Everybody basically sat and they didn't know what to do.

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Speaker 1: While it may seem like a simple task, the hairstylists

478
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Speaker 1: were these white women who were honestly looking at their

479
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Speaker 1: hair like they never touched a black woman's hair before.

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Speaker 1: They had the wrong clippers. They were making jokes and

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Speaker 1: shaving in the wrong direction.

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Speaker 3: Leave a little top.

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Speaker 5: I ain't like the way the woman was cutting my hair,

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Speaker 5: or the way they have a conversation in front of them.

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Speaker 11: Street Writer.

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Speaker 1: As a woman who also has very short hair, who

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Speaker 1: recently let her boyfriend cut it and ended up bald.

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Speaker 1: I feel her pain. But despite being made the butt

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Speaker 1: of the stylish jokes and getting a terrible haircut, she'd

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Speaker 1: later had to fix herself. Ebanie reacted to the whole

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Speaker 1: thing very well, better than I would have. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it was intentional, but this botched haircut mirrors

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Speaker 1: a dynamic tyr encountered in her early career, showing up

494
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Speaker 1: on set and there's no one there who can style

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Speaker 1: black hair.

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Speaker 6: You know, the white girls and the Asian girls and

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Speaker 6: the Latina girls. They would come to set put their

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Speaker 6: little purse empty handed.

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Speaker 1: Child.

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Speaker 7: I came with a suitcase.

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Speaker 6: I had to have the pressing comb, and sometimes the

502
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Speaker 6: pressing comb and the hot plate. If the pressing comb

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Speaker 6: that plugged in wasn't working, I had to have my

504
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Speaker 6: Vita point grease. I had to have my.

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Speaker 3: Edge toothbrush to come down my edges.

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Speaker 1: Supermodels, ducky thought Jordan Dunn in Anakia. I have all

507
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Speaker 1: talked about this. Maybe the show was trying to give

508
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Speaker 1: Ebony a taste of what she'd experience in the real world,

509
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Speaker 1: but giving a contestant a bad haircut and a competition

510
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Speaker 1: that's all about looks seems unfair. Overall, though, the makeovers

511
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Speaker 1: on this cycle were pretty tame, but the drama in

512
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Speaker 1: the house was a little more spicy. America was a

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Speaker 1: lot more religious twenty years ago, and ANTM really played

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Speaker 1: into the conflict between Team I'm a Christian I e.

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Speaker 1: Robin Shannon and Kizzie versus Team Atheist, whose sole member

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Speaker 1: was a least.

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Speaker 10: Serious least as.

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Speaker 7: When I found out Elist was an atheist, I had

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Speaker 7: extreme reservations about her that really fans are.

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Speaker 13: For Robin, of course, qualifies every seaman with I'm not

521
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Speaker 13: saying that you're going to hell, but you're going to hell.

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Speaker 13: Robin actually showed me this Bible verse foolish is the

523
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Speaker 13: man who says there is no God?

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Speaker 3: Like when I read it, it made me think of you.

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Speaker 1: So Robin, Elise might as well have been an alien.

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Speaker 1: I genuinely think she'd never met an atheist before, but

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Speaker 1: the Christianity conflict didn't end there. Ebony, the one who

528
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Speaker 1: got the bad haircut, was queer and one night, wanted

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Speaker 1: her girlfriend to come visit the hotel. When she asked

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Speaker 1: the other girls if they were cool with it, the

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Speaker 1: Christians Robin and Shannon were not feeling it. You know,

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Speaker 1: if it's okay if my girlfriend come over for about

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Speaker 1: an hour or two today.

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Speaker 10: He's a lesbian and I found this offensive my voice

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Speaker 10: on him and say, Shah, I think that definitely it

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Speaker 10: is wrong. It says in the Bible that it's an

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Speaker 10: abomination to the Lord.

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Speaker 11: I'll agree with you.

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Speaker 1: But instead of making this moment about these two models

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Speaker 1: and their bigoted beliefs, producers pivoted and focused on Ebane's

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Speaker 1: visit with her girlfriend. They hugged and talked about Ebone's

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Speaker 1: new haircut. Ebone braided her girlfriend's hair. It was sweet.

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Speaker 6: The girls were very nice.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 7: They came and introduced themselves. Sorry, this is introduce yourself, Harris,

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Speaker 7: to see.

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Speaker 1: That everyone except Robin and Shannon.

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Speaker 7: Of course, you know, you really let me know that

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Speaker 7: she's okay and she's in this.

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Speaker 6: For a long one.

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Speaker 1: For everything A and TM did wrong, this one moment

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Speaker 1: on cycle one, they got right This was two thousand

553
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: and three, same sex marriage was still illegal, and for

554
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Speaker 1: a lot of viewers, this was probably their first time

555
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: seeing a loving black queer relationship on cable. Ebane ended

556
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Speaker 1: up getting eliminated on episode four, Justice for Ebone. Today,

557
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Speaker 1: she's a fitness instructor in Brooklyn. I found her on

558
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Speaker 1: Instagram and it seems she and Ka are still in

559
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Speaker 1: each other's lives as friends. Religion and sexuality weren't this

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Speaker 1: season's only source of drama. Let's go back to Elise,

561
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Speaker 1: the self proclaimed atheist. Her whole persona was about how

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Speaker 1: smart she was. She wanted to be a doctor, and

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00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: she really struggled with being on a show with people

564
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Speaker 1: she thought were dumb. Perhaps her most memorable moment with

565
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Speaker 1: a confessional crash out, Adrian, stop interrupting me, stop quoting Jane.

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Speaker 3: Silent Bob right next to my ear.

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Speaker 13: I've had enough of you.

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Speaker 7: Jay, you offended me today. I know the medical school.

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Speaker 5: It's hard work.

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Speaker 13: How could I possibly not be aware of that?

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Speaker 7: Kate, I don't believe a word that comes out of

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Speaker 7: your mouth.

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Speaker 13: You're the most insincere person I've ever met.

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Speaker 11: Giselle, you worthless.

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Speaker 3: You're so wasteful, bitchy, stupid, You're worthless.

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Speaker 7: Your parents must be shamed of you.

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Speaker 1: Damn, that's harsh, even about today day standards. Elif made

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Speaker 1: it to the final three, which might have something to

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Speaker 1: do with the fact that she was a source of drama.

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Speaker 1: Gazelle told me that around the time of Eliza's rant,

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Speaker 1: the show started to feel different. It became what Tyra

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Speaker 1: and Ken Mott called a drumality.

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Speaker 7: This show, this is a this is a reality show

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Speaker 7: that you're doing.

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Speaker 6: Drumality.

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Speaker 3: What was that a drumality?

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Speaker 2: My co executive producer says, dramality.

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Speaker 7: Okay, it's drama reality, it's dramality.

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Speaker 1: Yes, here's Gazelle.

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Speaker 7: We all got along at first. Then I started realizing

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Speaker 7: that when we would sit down and do our one

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Speaker 7: on ones with the producers, the interview format started to change.

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Speaker 7: First it was very like, well, how do you think

594
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Speaker 7: the photoshoot went, what did you learn? What's your experience like?

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Speaker 7: Then later it started becoming more like, well, how do

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Speaker 7: you feel about that girl? And did you know that

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Speaker 7: this girl said something about that one? And did you

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Speaker 7: hear that these girls are saying all of this about

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Speaker 7: this one? That's kind of like where the shift happens.

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Speaker 7: And then you know, she called me a cunt and

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Speaker 7: that my parents should be ashamed of me, and I

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Speaker 7: was like, Okay, this is a whole different ballgame.

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Speaker 1: Care Gaselle's right, this was a whole different ballgame. It

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Speaker 1: certainly wasn't the modeling competition she signed up for. More

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Speaker 1: after the break, I wanted to spend the whole episode

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Speaker 1: dissecting cycle one because it's the blueprint, the bare bones

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Speaker 1: image of Tyra's initial vision, and from the beginning, Tyra

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Speaker 1: talked about size inclusivity.

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Speaker 6: All callers, all shapes, and all sizes.

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Speaker 1: Before we go on, I want to flag for listeners

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Speaker 1: that were going to discuss eating disorders and body dysmorphia

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Speaker 1: in the next section. Before Tyra filmed the first episode

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Speaker 1: of A and TM, she was a nineties runway model

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Speaker 1: at the height of the heroin Chic era. Tyra said

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Speaker 1: in interviews that she was repeatedly told she was too

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Speaker 1: big for runway.

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Speaker 3: I was told that I wasn't good enough. They said,

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Speaker 3: your but is getting too big.

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Speaker 1: The KPE Moss body standard simply wasn't possible for Tyra,

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Speaker 1: so she made her own lane found clientele who appreciated

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Speaker 1: her curves and she worked it. Tyra knew what it

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Speaker 1: was like to be told you don't have the right body,

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Speaker 1: so she decided to embrace different body types on America's

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Speaker 1: Next Top Model. From cycle one until the end of

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Speaker 1: the show, she always included at least one and for

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Speaker 1: a long time only one plus sized or curvy model.

627
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Speaker 1: But despite featuring plus sized models, ANTM still trafficked in

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Speaker 1: dangerous body standards. Contestants and fans have talked about how

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00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: the body shaming they heard on the show made them

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Speaker 1: feel bad about themselves and caused dysmorphia in eating disorders,

631
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Speaker 1: and that body shaming was a part of the show

632
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Speaker 1: from the very beginning. At least was fine ten and

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fourteen pounds. We know this because in

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Speaker 1: the first cycles of the show they weighed the contestants

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Speaker 1: on screen and read the number out loud. We were

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Speaker 1: living in some dark times, y'all. Alise wait the least

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00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: of all the girls, and rumors of her eating disorder

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00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: started when the other girl said they noticed how little

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Speaker 1: she ate in her frequent trips to the bathroom. Now

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Speaker 1: we have to say this. Alise vehemently denied having an

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Speaker 1: eating disorder on the show and after, but whether she

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Speaker 1: did or didn't, it was a huge part of her storyline.

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Speaker 1: Here are some of the girls speculating about her after

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Speaker 1: a dinner with j Manuel and Tyra.

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Speaker 12: That's kind of an issue right now, whether Release has

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Speaker 12: some eating disorders or not. But we're kind of confused.

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Speaker 12: We don't know what's really going on with her.

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Speaker 9: I'm really worried about Realise. She's a smart, smart girl,

649
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Speaker 9: but she's not fooling anybody and even missed tire Susan.

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Speaker 3: Alise ate like a whole plate of stuff. She mentioned

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Speaker 3: to somebody that it was because Tyra.

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Speaker 1: Was there, and when asked during a judging panel which

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Speaker 1: of their fellow models should be eliminated, more than one

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Speaker 1: girl said Elise.

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Speaker 10: I think this time she's struggling through unhealthy eating habits

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Speaker 10: and that could harm her in the future.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to be the one to judge.

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00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Elise because I'm very worried about her health. And here

659
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: they are speculating again at another dinner, all.

660
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 10: Of the girls are concerned about Elise. When we were

661
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 10: eating at He's the place she got oatme.

662
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 9: She doesn't really eat as much as I would care

663
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 9: for her.

664
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Speaker 1: To keep in mind, anorexia has the highest mortality rate

665
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: of any mental illness. Yes, it's classified as the eating

666
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: disorder and mental illness. But the closest the judges ever

667
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: came to addressing it was this moment when they asked, Elise, are.

668
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 5: You naturally about banners that something work towards No, I'm

669
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 5: naturally the spin I love it.

670
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 3: I'm not so against thin if it's natural or no.

671
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 11: You have nobody hot on you, so there's no insulation.

672
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 11: It's a little for me.

673
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: While Alice denied having an eating disorder on the show,

674
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: other contestants from Psyco one say they're eating disorder started

675
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: after the competition ended.

676
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 3: I like Gizelle because it just seems like she wants this.

677
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 7: But I think she needs to tighten ue.

678
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: It's kind of wide.

679
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: Here's Gazil who's asked, Tyra just called wide on national television.

680
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 7: I saw it on the show, which is like a

681
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 7: shock to me, which means now you're putting it into

682
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 7: everybody's head all across America that I have a white ass.

683
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 7: So clearly I'm not good enough. Clearly I can't be

684
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 7: a model. So how do I get rid of this

685
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 7: white ass. Oh, maybe I should stop eating. And then

686
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 7: when I eat too much in one setting because I

687
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 7: get so hungry, Oh, now I feel guilty. How about

688
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 7: I go throw that up now. I walked into that

689
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 7: show with a lot of confidence and then I ended

690
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 7: up having anorexia issues after that, bolimia issues after that.

691
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 7: Have never overcome my own body of shame that I have.

692
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,479
Speaker 1: And it wasn't just Gazelle. Robin, the only Curby model

693
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: on cycle one, got it the worst. Now I have

694
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: to pause and say this. I'm sure I thought Robin

695
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: was beautiful when the show first aired, but rewatching, Oh,

696
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: I was gagged. Robin is a baddie. She has the

697
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: type of body people go get a BBL to have,

698
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: And this is how the judges talked about her.

699
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 5: Robin's doubt is first, I'm concerning about being a supermodel.

700
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 3: Because I think the next America's.

701
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 11: Top model is not a plus sized model.

702
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that's of course Janis Dickinson who was

703
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: especially outspoken about Robin's body, but she wasn't the only one.

704
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 7: Now are we shooting for the large size?

705
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 3: Yes, Robin would represent a plus size model.

706
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: One problem that.

707
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 3: I do have with Robin. I think on the top,

708
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 3: she's not plus sizing.

709
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: On the bottom, she is.

710
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 6: Robin, first of all, is too old to be starting.

711
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 7: She's huge. She's not going to be a top model.

712
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: Car toppling company?

713
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: I think, did she say a car toppling company? What

714
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: does that even mean? Imagine being invited to a show

715
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: where you've been told your body type is welcome and

716
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: even celebrated as a representation of real women, and then

717
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: going home and hearing the judges say this nonsense. While

718
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: there may have been questions about Elisa's size, she was

719
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 1: rarely talked about as negatively as Robin. In fact, Elise

720
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: is actually praised for having the most high fashioned looks.

721
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 6: When I look at Elise, I think that the body

722
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 6: is rightful quotes.

723
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 11: She's just real finn. I love it.

724
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 7: At least I thought had a really good look for

725
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 7: the runway.

726
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 5: Very finnving penn Abadan would love her.

727
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: We don't know if producers actually thought she had an

728
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: eating disorder, or if they kept the questions about her

729
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: eating habits and the edit for a dramatic effect, And

730
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: I don't know which one is more disturbing. What we

731
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: do know is that it was such a topic of conversation.

732
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: It made us believe that she was struggling with eating.

733
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: Some of those clips you heard earlier are from an

734
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: episode titled the Girl who Everyone Thinks is killing herself.

735
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: What message does it send that the girl we've been

736
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: let to believe has an eating disorder? It is also

737
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: the girl who's most ready for high fashion, the girl

738
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: with the best body, a girl who made it to

739
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: the top three. While we were told that there was

740
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: no place in the competition or industry for plus size

741
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 1: model Robin, I.

742
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 11: Don't have a market here for Robin. You know, there's

743
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 11: no markets for precizes in front.

744
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: I know A and TM didn't invent these standards. A

745
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: lot of what we heard on the show about bodies

746
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: and weight were a reflection of the actual modeling world,

747
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: and that's been Tyra's defense against the criticism.

748
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 6: We were trying to be as realistic in the modeling industry,

749
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 6: not trying to embarrass anybody. It's just what it's done,

750
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 6: So we're pulling back the curtain.

751
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Tyra said she wanted to challenge the rigid beauty standards

752
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: of her industry. That's why someone like Robin was even

753
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: on the show, but it doesn't seem like much of

754
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: a challenge if the judge spent the entire season calling

755
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: Robin fat and then justifying it by saying they're just

756
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: being realistic, And why even cast and keep a girl

757
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: with an alleged eating disorder until the end if you're

758
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: not going to really address it. Tyra did come to

759
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: the model's hotel to have a heart to heart about insecurities.

760
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: She used that as an opportunity to talk about eating disorders,

761
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: and occasionally Tyra would counter Janus's insults. But if Tyra

762
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: really wanted to make this a learning experience, why didn't

763
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: she bring in an expert to talk about healthy eating

764
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: and image. Remember this is a season that brought in

765
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: a guest acting coach, a guest stylist, and a guest

766
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: trainer to weigh the girls on camera. We could almost

767
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: forgive A and TM for degrading women's bodies on national

768
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: TV to an audience of young women if they would

769
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: have learned the lesson and changed after the first season.

770
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: But we all know the body shame and continued for

771
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: a long time after that. When it was all said

772
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: and done, Cycle one ended with Adrian Curry wearing the crown.

773
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: After passing all the tests production through at her, Adrian

774
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: became the show's first ever winner. The very first episode

775
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: of America's Next Top Model was titled The Girl Wants

776
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: It So Bad. As Tyra laid out in the first

777
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: thirty seconds of the premiere, she was looking for someone

778
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 1: who wasn't an obvious winner.

779
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 3: I want to make a top model in eight weeks.

780
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: I want to take someone from obscurity to fame, a

781
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: person she could transform into a top model. She wanted

782
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: a diamond in the rough.

783
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 6: Some of these girls you would not look at twice

784
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 6: in the streets.

785
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: But I'll know when I can make an.

786
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Inside Oh you come to la father.

787
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 6: This is the once in a lifetime opportunity, a life

788
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 6: changing opportunity.

789
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: What I'm looking for is a star.

790
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: That's all. And that star turned out to be Adrian Curry.

791
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: She was the embodiment of everything Tyr was looking for.

792
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: She was different in edgy, A self proclaimed tomboy with

793
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: a history of teenage drug use. She had a habit

794
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: of quoting the movie Jay and Silent Bob, a perfect

795
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: candidate for Tyer to showcase her ability to find and

796
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: make a star and Adrian took on the competition with

797
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: a self assured but laid back attitude.

798
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 6: I'm funny, I'm pretty, I got perfect too.

799
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 3: What do you think makes you special?

800
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 9: I'm like a really big time boy.

801
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: I mean, she genuinely brought into the dream the show

802
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: was selling. She took the competition seriously. There was a

803
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: time she got food poisoning and was threatened with a

804
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: elimination if she didn't leave the hospital to make it

805
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: to the judging panel.

806
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: I would never cult Adrian for being sick, but unfortunately,

807
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: the judges came to the decision that if she was

808
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 3: not present during the judging, she would be eliminated because

809
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be fair to the other girls that would

810
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 3: be present.

811
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 9: The doctor told me it was a severe case of

812
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 9: food poisoning. I faked being better to get out of

813
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 9: the hospital. I'm not gonna miss this elimination.

814
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: There's no way.

815
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: The one time I had food poisoning, I could barely

816
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: lift my head, let alone put on a bunch of

817
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 1: makeup and get judged in front of a panel for hours.

818
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: But Adrian left the er and showed up at the

819
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: judging panel, which again was a curtain drape hotel room

820
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: with red ties holding back the fabric. Here's what Jane

821
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: said to Adrian that night.

822
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: So all of the matter that you showed up is

823
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: what it takes to be a model at a supermodel

824
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 2: well done.

825
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: I applaud that the fact that they encouraged her to

826
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: leave the hospital and celebrated it was it the very

827
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: least irresponsible. But this was just a small part of

828
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: Adrian's storyline. By far, Adrian was the girl who tried

829
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: the hardest, seemed the happiest to be there, was the

830
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: most cooperative, complained the least, and had the biggest transformation.

831
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: Tyro said as much when she crowned her the winner.

832
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: Adrian, you have transformed like Cinderella. When I looked at

833
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: you in LA her semi finals, I was like, I

834
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,359
Speaker 2: don't even think she'll make it to the finals. Then

835
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: you got here first week, I was like, I don't

836
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: think she'll make it to the second week, and you're

837
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: standing here.

838
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: Adrian came from a working class background and her mother

839
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: had gotten scammed out of a bunch of money by

840
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: pay for play modeling agencies. She'd been trying to make

841
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: her daughter's dreams come true, but it was money the

842
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 1: family couldn't afford to lose. Adrian didn't just want to win,

843
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: She needed to win. And you could tell.

844
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 9: I don't want to leave neither one in my life

845
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 9: drastically changes and for the better. I lose in I

846
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 9: phone more and more into the hole.

847
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: She may not have been as refined as some of

848
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: the other girls, or as runway ready as a lease,

849
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: but she did want it bad and she had the

850
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: best story. And this isn't an insult. She isn't in

851
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: denial about why she won. A few years ago, in

852
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: an interview, she said, quote, did I deserve to win? No?

853
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: I just gave the producers what they wanted to make

854
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: a diamond get a show going. I say that to

855
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: point out that from the very beginning, AATM was about

856
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: selling a Cinderella story, making a nameless but seemingly deserving

857
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: young woman's dreams come true by propelling her into supermodel stardom.

858
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: Cinderella is a happily ever after kind of story. She

859
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: got her prints in her castle, and we heard all

860
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: season what A and TM's winner would.

861
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: Get a contract with Revlin, a fashion spread in Marie

862
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: Claire magazine, and representation by Top Modeling agency.

863
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. After we closed the storybook and

864
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: went to sleep, we never came back to make sure

865
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Cinderella really got that happily ever after, because if we

866
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: found out the prince was a jerk and the castle

867
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: was a rental, the story wouldn't be a fairy tale.

868
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: That's true about all Cinderella stories. We never get to

869
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: see what happens next. And for Adrian, A and TM's

870
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: first winner, her fairytale story ended abruptly as soon as

871
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: the cameras stopped rolling. According to her, she never got

872
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: the prize. She stayed a publicly in multiple places going

873
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: back to two thousand and seven that the Revlon contract

874
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: turned out to be a fifteen thousand dollars job to

875
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: model makeup in a room for some execs, and according

876
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: to her, she never even got the fifteen thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: and the Wilhelmina contract well, Adrian said, when A and

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Speaker 1: TM replaced them with another agency, IMG Models on the

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Speaker 1: next season, they signed her as a retaliation. According to Adrian,

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Speaker 1: when she reached out to Tyra and the producers to

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Speaker 1: get advice about navigating her contract and getting paid by Revlin,

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Speaker 1: she was met with crickets. In fact, she said the

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Speaker 1: only time she ever heard anything from Top Model after

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Speaker 1: her win was when she decided to do the reality

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Speaker 1: show The Surreal Life. Then the agency reached out to

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Speaker 1: let her know Tyra and Top Model execs didn't want

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Speaker 1: her to do the reality show. She ignored them, but

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Speaker 1: by the time she spoke out to tell her truth

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Speaker 1: about her A and TM experience, we had already moved

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Speaker 1: on to new models and new drama. A and TM

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Speaker 1: became bigger than Tyra's original vision as the challenges got

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Speaker 1: wilder and Tyra got more eccentric. It stopped being a

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Speaker 1: modeling competition designed to give contestants authentic modeling experience and

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Speaker 1: became a Tyra Banks circus, complete with acrobatic photo shoots

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Speaker 1: and clownish makeovers. We weren't paying attention to what happened

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Speaker 1: to last season's winner. Cycle one was the blueprint for

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Speaker 1: everything we love and hate about A and TM. Cycle

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Speaker 1: one walked so moments like we were rooting for you

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Speaker 1: in terms like smies could run. But it's also the

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Speaker 1: cycle that laid the blueprint for body shaming, exploiting people's

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Speaker 1: pain for a storyline, and selling a lie to a

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Speaker 1: bunch of people with the dream while getting us the viewers,

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Speaker 1: to look the other way. After cycle one, the show

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Speaker 1: took off and the America's Next Top Model machine was

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Speaker 1: up and running. There was a growing supply of new

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Speaker 1: models who happily signed up to reveal their secrets and

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Speaker 1: trauma and go through grueling, twenty hour long production days

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Speaker 1: for little to no money. They signed up to temporarily

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Speaker 1: give up their autonomy and have their most embarrassing and

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Speaker 1: difficult moments witnessed by us, all for the chance to

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Speaker 1: be America's next Top Models, thinking they would be the

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Speaker 1: one who would actually make it. On the next episode,

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Speaker 1: you'll hear more from the models. I'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: they thought they were getting when they find on the

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Speaker 1: dotted line, and what it turned out to be. We'll

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Speaker 1: explore the A and TM contestant contract and talk about

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Speaker 1: how it enabled one of the biggest controversies in A

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Speaker 1: and TM history.

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Speaker 7: I was in debt after the show.

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Speaker 14: I was getting built for the testing, I was getting

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Speaker 14: built for the dresses.

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Speaker 3: So now I'm having to pay, and I'm in debt,

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Speaker 3: and i don't have a.

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Speaker 7: Place to stay.

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Speaker 14: I'm living on a couch and everywhere I go, people

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Speaker 14: are wanting my autograph, taking pictures with me, and it

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Speaker 14: was a very stressful time because Tyra owned me for

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Speaker 14: that year.

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Speaker 15: I have thought receipts, I have got names, I've got stories.

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Speaker 15: I know more about this show than I ever willingly

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Speaker 15: wanted to. Because of my own experience and hearing other

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Speaker 15: girls experiences, I was like, this can't be real.

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Speaker 8: Whole week or two later, somebody from the network production

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Speaker 8: called me.

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Speaker 7: It was like, they want to have a meeting with

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Speaker 7: you in.

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Speaker 8: New York City and they basically told me we can't

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Speaker 8: air you as the winner because you violated your contract.

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Speaker 1: production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group

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