1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff Mom Never told you? 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: From how stup works dot com. Hello, and welcome to 4 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen. Kristen. There was 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: a study a couple of years ago from Northwestern University 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: that pretty much said, hey, you know, bisexual guys don't 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: really exist. No. They said that basically, guys who claimed 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: to be bisexual are either gay, straight, or lying, right, 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: which is actually a pretty offensive. However, it's prevalent sentiment. 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: Yea Um, But there's a new study, yes, a new 11 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: study by actually Northwestern University about bisexuality in men, and 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: they have found some evidence that it exists, which is 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: of no surprise to bisexual men. Right, you're like, oh, hey, 14 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: thanks science for finally acknowledging our existence. And we're focusing 15 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: this episode on male bisexuality, uh, not really focusing so 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: much on female bisexuality, just because this whole gay, straight 17 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: or lying thing has really been applied mostly to men, 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: and it seems like, for some reason, while we can 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: accept the notion of female bisexuality, guys, we are just 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: well we can't do it. Yeah, well, there seems to 21 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: be there seems to be some sort of ick factor. 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: As one person who was interviewed for an article about this, 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: I think it wasn't a male bisex as self identified 24 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: bisexual male. Yeah. He said that it seems like society 25 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: is okay with bisexual women but not so accepting of 26 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: bisexual men. That either maybe, um, you're just closeted and 27 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: you haven't come out yet, or you're just confused, and 28 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: so yeah, he said that there's an ick factor where 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: it's like it's not masculine to express interest in both 30 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: men and women. So let's back up a little bit 31 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: and talk about how researchers even evaluate and to prove 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: in quotes whether or not someone is the sexuality or 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: sexual preference that they identify as. And a lot of 34 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: it has to do with study participants watching pornography or 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: reading illicit materials and their genitals being hooked up to 36 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 1: machines basically that measure the blood flow and engorgement to 37 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: to tell whether or not they're turned on right exactly. 38 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: And in the first study, the two thousand five study 39 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 1: at Northwestern UM, they recruited participants through a variety of 40 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: media UM that weren't necessarily geared towards bisexual or self 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: identified by sexual people UM, some just planal alternative publications, 42 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: some publications geared towards the gay community UM, and they 43 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: ended up getting people who they judged were gay, straight, 44 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: or bisexual based on just their own responses to a 45 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: questionnaire in the In the current study, the more recent study, 46 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 1: they actually UM advertised in on websites and publications that 47 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: were geared towards more bisexual people. And one way they 48 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: pre selected two for for bisexual males was that the 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: men who participated in the study had to have been 50 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: in a serious relationship with both male and a female 51 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: UM I think at least once or twice UM. And 52 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: also to have had UH sexual relationships with both men 53 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: and women, rather than UM in the previous study, where 54 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: some men might have identified as bisexual but had never 55 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 1: been in relationships long term romantic relationships with both men 56 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and women. Right. And in the first study, the reason 57 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: that they said, like, h No, they're not really bisexual, 58 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: they're just confused, or they're lying or whatever was that 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: the men being studied either responded only to the male 60 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: pornography or the female pornography not to both. And so 61 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: they said, well, this obviously proves since you're not aroused 62 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: by both men and women in these videos, then obviously 63 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: bisexuality is not a thing right in the In the 64 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: words of The New York Times, which reported on that 65 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: two thousand five study, bisexual desires are sometimes transient and 66 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: are still poorly understood. Indeed, yeah, they cited study by 67 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: The Advocate that found that prior to identifying themselves as gay, 68 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: of gay men had described themselves as bisexual. So there 69 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: was definitely an attitude that like, oh, well, you're just 70 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: on the road to being gay. Well, and Dan Savage Um, 71 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: who is a sex advice columnist, UM talked about this 72 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: new study in particular in this issue of male bisexuality, 73 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: and Um he explains that, you know, in his case, 74 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: at least when he was younger and was first out 75 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: of the closet, he first identified as by sexual just 76 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: for fear of societal repercussion if he was saying that 77 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: he was, you know, really only interested in sexual relationships 78 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: with men. And so just from that, there is anecdotal 79 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: evidence that yes, sometimes, um, perhaps younger gay males might 80 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: identify as bisexual before they're being comfortable identifying completely as homosexual. 81 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: But UM, by saying that, you know, extrapolating anecdotal evidence 82 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: to the entire population obviously is not correct, right and 83 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: talking about, um, what aroused what videos aroused these study 84 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: participants in the new study, um, these self identified bisexual 85 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: men did respond to both the male and female videos, 86 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: while gay and straight men did not. And you know, 87 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: they point out that men with bisexual arousal patterns may 88 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: experience temporal fluctuations in their attractions and arousal to men 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: and women. So it's not like I'm fifty fifty um 90 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: attracted to men and women. It's more like, you know, 91 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: as one guy interviewed said, like today I'm i be 92 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: more attracted to men and slightly attracted to women, but 93 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow might be all about women and you know, not 94 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: look at men. And there was one of the senior 95 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: authors of that two thousand five study who said, for men, 96 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: arousal is orientation, which doesn't really take into account the 97 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: fluidity of gender and sexuality. I think that it kind 98 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: of puts men in this box of if you're bisexual, 99 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: then you know, anything in anyone you look at, you 100 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: will be aroused by and that's not the case, and 101 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: we don't kind of put that same sexual pressure on 102 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: bisexual women. It seems like we're not expecting by sexual 103 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: women and just you know, for just be some kind 104 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: of sexual Smorga's board, right exactly. Um, there is an 105 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: interesting article on hetero flexibility, which is a term I 106 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: had never heard before, but it's a term that makes sense. Um. 107 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: Rich Savan Williams, the director of Sex and Gender Lab 108 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: at Cornell University, and Kenneth Cohen, a clinical psychologist at 109 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: Cornell Counseling and Psychological Services, took a look at young 110 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: men who are secure in their heterosexuality and yet they 111 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: seem to be aware of this potential to experience more 112 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: than just relationships with women, and they broke down there's 113 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: all these sub types, um, And what I thought was interesting, 114 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, in addition to the actual article or some 115 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: of the responses that it got online, some of the 116 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: comments were talking about how, um, these are just normal 117 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: heterosexual friendships with the body issues and homophobia removed. So 118 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: this isn't exactly the same thing as bisexuality that these 119 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: guys are talking about, but sort of like a shift 120 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: in male relationships, which I thought was interesting the release 121 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: from the quote heterosexual straight jackets right that, Um, that 122 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: one of the interviewees mentions, and um, the whole head 123 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: of reflexibility think makes sense because for for women, it 124 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: is not only acceptable but even expected for really close 125 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: girlfriends to share deeper emotional bonds. And you know, it 126 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: isn't that that far of elite perhaps in our mind, 127 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: from that close bonding where we can you know, hug 128 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: each other and comfort each other when we're crying and 129 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: be very emotive to kind of just naturally transition into 130 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: possibly something more sexual. Whereas with men, just because of 131 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: the masculinity constructs that uh, we have to deal with, 132 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: it might not be as succeptable to even just cross 133 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: into those bounds of close and intimate friendships. Right. Was 134 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: interesting that these researchers were pointing out is that there 135 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: seems to be this broad range of of these guys 136 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: who fall into this hetero flexible category. Um, but they 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: all seem to draw the line at actual intercourse. So 138 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: they were okay possibly like fantasizing about their friends or 139 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 1: other guys they were they were okay with having you know, 140 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: intimate relationships and almost having a partner like relationship, but 141 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: just without the sex right secifically intercourse, because I have 142 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: a feeling that some head reflexibility might include um manual 143 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: or oral sex, but I have a feeling yet that 144 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: line would come actual intercourse. But since we're talking about 145 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: physical sexual acts, I do think it's important for us 146 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: to re emphasize the fact um that this initial Northwestern study, 147 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: the two thousand five one, the the goole gay straighter 148 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: line conclusion one missed out on is that, uh, sexual 149 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: orientation is not just comprised of sex and fantasy and arousal. Yeah. 150 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: A lot of responses to these studies have involved people saying, 151 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: you know, just because I am turned on by something 152 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: or these these people in the study were turned on 153 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: by something. That doesn't mean that they're one way or 154 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: another that they're bisexual, gay, or straight, because you can 155 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: watch a video and be turned on by something but 156 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: not necessarily actually want to do it yourself or not 157 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: want to do it with those people yourself or for you, 158 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: and fords those actual relationships sexual relationships with people um 159 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: and Ellen Rithstrom, the president of the Bisexual Resource Center, 160 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: talking about the new study, which it's still drawing criticism 161 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: even though it reinforces what bisexual people already know, says 162 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: that this unfortunately reduces sexuality and relationships to just sexual stimulation. 163 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: What I love is that people express their bisexuality in 164 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: so many different ways. So I think that kind of 165 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: sums up what a lot of the commenters on these 166 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: articles we're talking about that it's it's more than just 167 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: what you see in porn, that that affects who you are. 168 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: And I think in addition to that, it comes down 169 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: to differences in how we apply the notion of sexual 170 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: fluidity to females and to males. And I think that 171 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: we are far more, far more black and white and 172 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: rigid for whatever reason, with how we apply that two men. 173 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: And I think that it has a lot to do 174 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: you with um, with the whole masculinity construct in what 175 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: is and is an acceptable And it's like once you 176 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: cross the line into um, you know, something that would 177 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: be more more feminine, then it's like we can't I 178 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: don't know, it's like they can't straddle the line anywhere. Women. Yeah, 179 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 1: it seems like women can move around the spectrum the continuum, 180 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: if we're getting into Kinsey can move around the continuum 181 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: much more easily than men can. And speaking of Alfred Kinsey, um, 182 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, you were just talking about black and white, 183 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: very rigid context. He said that males do not represent 184 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: two discrete populations, heterosexual and homosexual. The world is not 185 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: to be divided into sheep and go to the living. 186 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: World is a continuum and each and every one of 187 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: its aspects. All right, thank you, Alfred, Thank you, Alfred. 188 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: And I think that's something that that we need to 189 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: keep in mind. And you know, again speaking about constructs, 190 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: we read this article on Salon that's sort of it 191 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: kind of deconstructed the Northwestern study and they talked to 192 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: one guy who calls himself gay or straight depending on 193 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: who he's dating, because he said it's just easier for 194 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: people around him to deal with it than try to 195 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: explain like, well, no, I mean I like everybody right, 196 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, because it just seems like people are not 197 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: they can't wrap their heads around it sometimes. So maybe 198 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: that's also pointing out the pitfall, potential pitfalls of of labeling, 199 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: because at some point, maybe all of the boxes get 200 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: a little too rigid. It can be handy for kind 201 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: of classifying different people, but maybe it's just not always 202 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: that necessary, and maybe we put too much importance on 203 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: what box you do check. Yeah, I was looking at 204 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: one website for a UM there's a bisexual group in 205 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: the UK, and they took a look at Kinsey's um 206 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: his chart like zero is purely heterosexual and six is 207 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: purely homosexual, and then he has like little things in between, 208 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: and they're like, well, no, three can't be bisexual. They 209 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 1: were arguing that everything between zero and six should be bisexual. 210 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: So there's that to think about. So we've talked about 211 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: bisexuality within the human population, and you know, for for 212 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: people who are still kind of skeptical about whether or 213 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 1: not bisexuality is a and I'm putting big quotes here, 214 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: some kind of natural or unnatural behavior, we have to 215 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: at least bring up the binobo, which is a bisexual primate. 216 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: I didn't know this about binobos before we started researching 217 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: this UM. And according to uh the Yurkes Primate Center, 218 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 1: which is here in Atlanta, but noobo's engage in sexual 219 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: activity about every ninety minutes, and that sexual activity male 220 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: male female male female female about every ninety minutes as 221 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: a way of diffusing conflict within colonies or food and 222 00:13:56,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: territory can be scarce, so I'll say, people whatever, get 223 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: anything done. Maybe, um, bisexuality as a peacekeeping tool right 224 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: in the animal kingdom? Yeah? Who knew? But yeah, every 225 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: ninety minutes, that seems that's an awful lot. It's funny 226 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: because one of the researchers from that center was interviewed 227 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: and they were asking him, um, well, okay, chimpanzees fight like, 228 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: let's say there's food to be fought over. There's not enough. 229 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: It has to be distributed, so they'll fight over it 230 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and then they will distribute it somehow. But these primates, 231 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: the banobo monkey, they just have at it and then 232 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: they're like, ah, everything, let's all just distribute the food. Food. 233 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: Everyone so relaxed now? Really answered for morphizing these Yes, 234 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: I'd imagine they're pretty chilled out. I think we've covered it. Then, 235 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: does male bisexuality exist? Answer Caroline, Yep, yeah, but they 236 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: could have told us that. They could have told us that. Yeah. 237 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: So uh, I really want to hear though, um, our 238 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: bisexual listeners out there, whether or not you've ever had 239 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: to deal with that anti bisexual prejudice bisexual males out there, 240 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: have you gotten the gay street are lying line before 241 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts and experiences. Mom stuff at 242 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com is the address. I would 243 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: also like to know if as a bisexual male it 244 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: has made it easier or harder to meet people dating wise. 245 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if that like complicates things for other 246 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: people with our rigid constructs and everything. So with that again, 247 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: email address mom stuff at how stuff works dot com. 248 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: And first of all, I want to give a on 249 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: air thank you to Monica who uh during our Drag 250 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Queen podcast, we talked about this whole mummy situation with 251 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: Dorian Corey, famous uh drag Queen, and after during Corey died, 252 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: a mummy was owned in her closet and so we 253 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: wanted to know more information about this mummy situation and 254 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: Monica sent us a paper published by Indiana University Press 255 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: called The Drag Queen and the Mummy that explains the 256 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: whole thing. And I just want to say thank you 257 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: because while I unfortunately have not had time to read 258 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: The Drag Queen the money because it just came in 259 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: right before we record this podcast. Thank you to our 260 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: enterprising researching listener. You get a gold star. Okay, this 261 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: email is from Joseph, this is also about our drag 262 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: Queen podcast. He says that I'm transgendered and have been 263 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: transitioning for the last eleven months, and I've never been 264 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 1: a drag queen or done drag, And he just has 265 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: a couple of things that he thinks we left out 266 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: of the podcast, and field should be mentioned. Many professional 267 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: drag queens alter their bodies with female hormones, even if 268 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: the end goal isn't transitioning into a woman. Most drag 269 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: queens originally identify or identify as gay men. It's less 270 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: common to see straight men perform on stage drag in 271 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: a gay club, the typical setting for a drag show, 272 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: while drag queens can be community leaders or m c s. 273 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, the core of drag is done for 274 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: entertainment purposes. Drag done without an audience would just be 275 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: called cross dressing smiley face. Usually, a drag queen is 276 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: putting on an act as a character and first to 277 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: themselves as she, even though they'll acknowledge their male attributes. 278 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: Drag queens serving as mcs are typically known for their 279 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: humorous self deprecation or insults. It's kind of like a 280 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: mix between a lip sync performer, a stand up comic, 281 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: and a mild burlesque performance, and the queen part of 282 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: the drag queen etymology most likely refers to a queen 283 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: queu e A n which is based vernacular for a 284 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: female prostitute, according to Gay Histories and Cultures and Encyclopedia 285 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: by George E. Higrity. 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