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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle. Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: Get him in a Huddle, Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: a New York Giants podcast. My name is John Schmilkin.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Giants Huddle podcast. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, we take a look back at the NFC

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Speaker 1: Championship game following the two thousand season when the Giants

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Speaker 1: blew out the Minnesota Vikings. But first, if you're listening

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Speaker 1: review if you're so inclined. On this episode, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear from four different guests. We have quarterback Carry Collins,

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Speaker 1: head coach Jim Fossil titan Howard Cross, and defensive tackle

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Speaker 1: Keith Hamilton's let's start with the quarterback in that game,

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Speaker 1: Kerry Collins, we had the sense that no one felt

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Speaker 1: like we had a chance in the in in that game,

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Speaker 1: and uh, well you can you can sense it when

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Speaker 1: you got to the State in that day that I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was the electricity in that stadium. It was just amazing.

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Speaker 1: And uh again, we started off right off the bat,

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Speaker 1: taking the ball right down and scoring decond and eight.

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Speaker 1: At the forty six Tumor has one on one coverage

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Speaker 1: far side, Kamel in motion to the left, Collins back

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Speaker 1: Hilliard to the fire touchdown forty six yards down the

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Speaker 1: left side. I want to be like, hey, kid's got six.

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Speaker 1: Getting the ball back scoring again. Two receivers to the left,

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Speaker 1: Hilliard a wide man, Garry jogs in motion to the right,

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Speaker 1: Collins takes the snap, fakes the hand off, looking throwing

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Speaker 1: down the right side. That it's got Tamella touchdown right

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Speaker 1: Comala at half back. What I go trans In two

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Speaker 1: minutes and thirteen seconds leading fifteen nothing, It was the

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Speaker 1: most exciting moments I've I've ever had on a football

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Speaker 1: field during that game. I'm getting chilled ups thinking about

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Speaker 1: it as we speak. Um, just seeing the crowd way

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Speaker 1: even the flags, you know, the painted mud is as

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Speaker 1: welling to described it, you know, and um, the crowd

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Speaker 1: just you know, just absolutely going nuts. Um, it may

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Speaker 1: I hit Carmela in the end zone. Um, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was as an electric fields I've ever had on

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Speaker 1: even I think I threw a couple of interceptions, you know,

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Speaker 1: but it was like those were like inconsequential, you know,

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Speaker 1: It's like they didn't matter. Um, And it's just one

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Speaker 1: one of those games where everything just went our way

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Speaker 1: And it was just that sense of not being able

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Speaker 1: done by throwing the ball. We knew that going in,

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Speaker 1: more special by being the NFC Championship Game. There's moments

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Speaker 1: that day is at the top, without question, last shutout,

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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship Game, the Giants running to the middle

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Speaker 1: you want the bike gings? Nothing? Super Bowl here we come. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: You have the most story franchise, um, you know, the

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Speaker 1: Next up, Bob Papa talks to a member of the defense,

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle. Keith Hamilton's, so you break in with the

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Speaker 1: Now it's Keith Hamilton's, Jesse Armstead, Michael Strahan, Tiki Barber's.

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Speaker 1: Now it's your time. You got the NFC Championship game

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Speaker 1: What was the week like leading up to that game?

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Speaker 1: And there Randy Moss called Pepper, you know, Robert Smith, Um,

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Speaker 1: during the week. What's the talk during the week. Again,

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton likes to say, when they saw that there

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Speaker 1: in fact, your offense said, we're gonna outpass the best

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Speaker 1: Bob Popa with Titan Howard Cross. The greatest game in

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton is you know, with the Saints and funny guy,

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