WEBVTT - Old Decrepit Man and Baby Girl 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.200 This all comes back to show. No, it doesn't know, 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:10.840 it really does because Charlie and the Hugle Lot enough 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:20.840 starring Jennifer Lopez. You are not doing this. This is Halloween. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:27.400 This is Halloween. I'm good screaming at night. It's only Halloween. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.960 Because you've insisted that it is Halloween. It is Halloween. 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.239 You're recording this at the end of September. It's not 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.920 Halloween yet. Yeah, but it is officially spooky season. Sure, 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:42.080 it's pumpkin spice season. It's spooky season. It's here, babe. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.159 Last night we watched two of the movies that I 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:50.400 watched every Halloween. The vibe has begun. It I better 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.320 catch it, um. And for the virgins who don't know, 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:59.920 we are continuing our oooky spooky series with the kind 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.520 the King of Ook and Spook. Yes, well, the King 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:09.520 and the King of sort of like contemporary like consumerist 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.720 scarity vibes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly for kids. A creator 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.080 who has had quite a journey, um in a range 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:20.840 of films that people love and then films that people 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:25.720 don't love so much. Tim Burton is Today's discussion. As 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:30.039 Lydia Diets aka Winona writer once said I myself am 0:01:30.520 --> 0:01:33.680 strange and unusual, That's correct. She also said that her 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.440 whole life was a dark room and she had really 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:41.040 spiky bangs, which I at one point wanted. You should 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.400 be her for Halloween. Honestly, I have thought about it. 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:45.360 You've never done that before. No, I've never done it. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.640 You should never done it, never done Lydia diets and 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.720 I'll be beetlejuice and I'll marry you. Okay, just kidding. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.120 I would hate that, would never be juice, but I 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:54.960 bet you could be sexy beetle juice. Let's look up 0:01:54.960 --> 0:02:00.680 sexy beetle Justice for it anyway. We need it like 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:02.760 a virgin. This is like a virgin. The show we 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:08.679 give yesterday's pop culture, today's takes and Toronto, and I 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:18.600 found some beetlejuice. Hello virgins, Hello virgins. We are coming 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:23.000 to you from um a different coast or different time zone, 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:27.120 a different state of mind, a New York state of mind, 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:30.560 one might say. Definitely, I will say something that is 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.000 really amazing about you right now, being in New York 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.120 as you are. You're booked and busy, you are out, 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:40.280 you have plans, you are seeing people, you are doing things. Yes, 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.560 I I do have to say I did enjoy getting 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:49.040 to say to you twice this weekend. Oh sorry, Well 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:52.200 I didn't apologize because I would never do that. Um, 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:55.520 I did say I have plans, and you know what, 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:57.960 I think it was ugly of you to assume that 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:03.760 I didn't. Sure. I'm just kidding. I was definitely isn't 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.000 in accordance with the years that I've known you. Well, no, 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.120 but hey, you're only speaking from the experience of me 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:14.120 being a friendless loser in Los Angeles and in New York. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.560 I am a loser with friends. Look, it takes one 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:20.840 to know, one says. And the reason I'm here in 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:23.520 New York a week early is because I realized all 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.000 my friends left l A and I was like, oh, no, no, 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.480 I need to get myself to New York's. Yeah, but 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.200 one thing you need to understand was that on Friday 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.160 when you texted me and asked if I wanted to 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.000 go out that night, and I said, oh, I have plans, 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.160 and he said, oh, well, the party doesn't start till eleven. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:44.120 That's not going Just because baby, baby, listen, just because 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.520 you're on a different coast does not mean I'm a 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:50.920 different woman. And at eleven. At eleven o'clock, the only 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.800 place I want to be is leaving a movie, leaving dinner, 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.720 or already in bed, just because i might be a 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.400 New York City, but I'm not going out to like 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:06.560 a party that starts at eleven. Those days are behind me. 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.280 You just got here and I was thinking, look, the 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:13.360 time zones are in your favor. Maybe you know jet 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.520 lags keeping you up a little bit later. It's a 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.039 good time to go out. Um, I'm glad you didn't go. 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.160 You would have hated the show. Now the only thing 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.880 that's happened on the L train is me listening to 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.280 Thoroughfare by e fl Cane on a loop and attempting 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.960 not to have a public breakdown. Can we talk about 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:36.240 how that song is so like the new autumnal anthem, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:39.799 like it is so like ethel Cane is so fall music, 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:44.240 and it also is summer music because it's like hot, sticky, sweaty, 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.720 But yes it is. It is very much helping me 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.560 feel the sad girl fall vibes. I've been doing the thing, 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.159 but just walking around the Upper east Side seeing places 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.440 where parts of You've Got Mail were shot and listening 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.400 to listen into ethel Caine seeing places where You've Got 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.920 Mail shot because you're on a personalized You've Got Mail 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:10.200 walking tour. It that that you pulled up, but like 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.200 there's like five different shooting locations from You've Got Mail 0:05:13.279 --> 0:05:15.640 within like a five bluck radius. At my brother's apartment, 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:20.479 there's also there's also my brother when when you walk 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:25.160 out of his building, the Lincoln Center AMC is within eyesight. 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:30.000 It's right across the street. Whoas that's so convenient. I 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.280 do have to admit something though, which is that this 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:38.960 weekend this is really hard to say, I went to 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.680 a non AMC theater for the first time since I 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:47.640 became a Stubb Any stuff? No, which one? Did you 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.560 go to? Regal Union Square, which has now even to 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.000 go to like one of like the Art House Cinema 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.680 was even go to like fucking Nighthawk or something, and 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.479 the Metro Regal well Metric. You know, the last movie 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:05.719 I saw before COVID was a screening of Melancholia at Metrograph. 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.919 What did they know? What did they know? Um? They 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.760 a lot? No, but the Regal Union Square has been 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.560 totally redone inside it's very like dark and clubby and 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:22.680 that is where I saw Smile on Friday. Yeah, there's 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:24.839 like smoke machines. My friend Ryan and I were gonna 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:28.479 go see a Triangle of Sadness. Yeah, we were gonna 0:06:28.520 --> 0:06:30.680 look bad. No, I'm really excited to see it, but 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.560 it was it was sold out, so we ended up 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.920 seeing Smile instead. And let me tell you, after seeing 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.039 a trailer for that movie, every time I saw a 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:43.400 movie for the past six months, I was not expecting 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.520 it to be very good. But it was surprisingly good 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.599 and scary. I would have expected all the good scenes 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.360 to be spoiled by the trailer. Was that we were 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.320 there a lot of other scenes as well. Were there 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.240 other scenes? There were other scenes. I will say, if 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.719 you've seen the trailer, like the full trailer, one of 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.920 the biggest jump scares in the movie is in the trailer. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.360 It's the scene where she's sitting in the car and 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:08.800 the woman walks up to her and swings down. But 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:12.640 there's plenty of other good jump scares and I screamed 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:18.120 a lot. The main actress, Soci Bacon, who's Kevin Bacon's daughter, Um, 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:20.960 was very good. She was also kind of giving Flkane 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.440 a little bit. And yeah, it was a good movie 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:27.880 the theater as much as I love seeing a horror 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.400 movie with an audience full of people, and it becomes 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.320 very like communal and you know, everyone's screaming. It was 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:39.640 very noisy, and people were talking during the entire film. 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:43.720 But God, people talking during movies. That's so and yeah, 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.560 but but not but not like but not like you know, 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.239 little snippets of conversation every once in a while, which 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.360 my friend Ron and I were doing. At one point 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.720 we stopped, like like paying attention to the movie to 0:07:54.760 --> 0:08:00.360 talk about partner track the Netflix show. Um, yeah, no, 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.200 but there were but everyone else was talking. No, but 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.560 everyone everyone else was talking throughout the entire year movie 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.880 and not really trying to keep it at a low volume. 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.840 You know, I will say, if it's like a scary movie, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:17.840 I endorse that, like I you know, if we've all, 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:19.520 if well, if we've all come to the theater and 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.560 we're a green, that this is like a kind of 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:24.000 fine scary movie that we've seen the trailer for a 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.840 seven hundred times and so like we don't so we 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:27.400 can like act like we're gonna watch it at home. 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.800 I'm gonna be trash and say that, Um, you know, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.959 I'll participate in that, but like I try to catch 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:34.679 the vibe of like what the theater is on, right, 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.360 I mean not all the time. Like sometimes you and 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.800 I are just fully talking, but we're still like we're 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.160 still like whispering and respectful. This was like running commentary. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:47.880 This was like more talking than our Hocus Pocus DVD 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:55.080 commentary track. So we now have tried multiple times to 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.840 talk about the new Interview with the Vampire show, and 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.800 it has I worked out for one reason or not. 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:05.440 So I think now it's a good time to discuss. So, um, 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.920 I think we should have that conversation. Yes, and I 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:11.800 will preface it for you virgins by saying we are 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.000 going to dive a little deeper into interview with the 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.560 Vampire in our vampire centric episode. But when we recorded that, 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.720 we had not yet seen the new show. So I 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.160 think it's it's fine for us to just talk about 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:29.679 it now. And I've seen all three episodes that are 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.640 out for and you've seen the first two. I've seen 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:36.600 the first, so I have to say, you know, it 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:41.120 is now part of my must watch Sunday night TV 0:09:41.320 --> 0:09:45.560 alongside House of the Dragon. Um. So some interesting things 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:49.200 about this this new adaptation of Anne Rice's you know, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:53.920 I think most famous work is this new show, which 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.800 is on AMC Plus, has updated the source material, which 0:09:57.840 --> 0:10:00.800 you know, is about a vampire giving an interview, and 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:04.080 the sort of framing device of this is that that 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.160 interview happened, but it wasn't like really true to life. 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:12.440 And so now the vampire and the journalists aart revisiting 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.800 their interview fifty years later, and Louis the titular vampires, 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.240 giving a more honest version of his story. And in 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:25.920 this updated version, Louis, rather than being you know, a 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:30.080 seventeenth century plantation owner, is now a black queer man 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.880 in the early nineteen hundreds in New Orleans who runs 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:38.800 a string of brothels after his family fortune, you know, 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.360 kind of like crumbles to dust when his father dies. 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:48.040 And he meets listat Lion Court, who Listed Delenne, who 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:53.319 is so hot in this new version, so French, and 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.679 they fall in love. And the thing about interview with 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.640 the vampire, and you know, we talk a little bit 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.760 about this in our Vampire episode, but like to give 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:06.880 you a preview. You know, Ann Rice's novel was very gay. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:12.400 It was explicitly gay. It was, and the film, as 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.120 much as I love it, it made all of that 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.280 explicit queerness into subtexts and it's very homo erotic, but 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.319 it's not out not gay, so subtextual that when I 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:26.640 watched it, and again you'll hear this an episode, but 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.719 when I watched it and Rose told me that there 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:31.600 were that it was gay in the book, I was shook. 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:33.920 I was like, well, what it's like actually gay because 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.880 it's really just harmerotic subtexts. In the movie, it's like 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.080 really neutered. I'm not gonna But in Anne Rice's novel 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.480 and in all of her novels, it's very clear that 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.839 Listat and Louis are lovers, and in this new show 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:52.559 they are also lovers. It is gay. It is It 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.840 is so gay, and you know, the whole first episode 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:01.760 is Listat, you know, seducing Louis, who is already because 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.600 of the changes that have been made to his character, 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:07.320 is already an other um, you know, because he's a 0:12:07.360 --> 0:12:10.120 black queer man in the early nine hundreds, and then 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.280 like that gets further exacerbated when he has turned into 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.240 a vampire. He's like the ultimate other. But in that 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.559 first episode, you know, they have this incredible love scene 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.400 before Lestat turns him into a vampire, he tells him 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:30.880 he loves him. It's just so good and sexy. And 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:33.520 in this new episode when you watch it, there's like 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:39.640 a discussion of open relationships and like polyamory, oh sexuality, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.160 And you know, I just love that it's so explicit 0:12:44.600 --> 0:12:48.240 but still like really sexy and romantic and all the 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:52.160 things that an and Rice adaptation should be. I love 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.240 the adaptation. It's I'm gonna keep watching. I am, you know, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.679 definitely gonna finish out my AMCs free trial for that 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:01.520 can to you to give a m C plus my 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.320 money or whatever. And uh, just as you said, like, 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.720 I am just really enthralled by the raw sexuality of 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:14.120 the show, like sex shuality like with capital s or 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:18.280 non sensuality sexuality. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I I really 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:21.480 appreciate that. I love how like horny it is. It's 0:13:21.640 --> 0:13:25.679 very pulpy, right, like it leans into the kind of 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.080 graphic novel e also you know, Southern gothic kind of 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:33.440 edge of it. Um. I love that there's this kind 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.760 of new spin on this trope that you have pointed 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:38.720 out to me over and over again that like a 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:43.520 lot of like vampires fight in the Confederate War or something. Yeah, 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:49.160 well that's not an interview with the Hire, but that 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:57.160 is in UM True Blood, in Twilight, UM, in the 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.840 Vampire Diaries, those are all things. Were there vampires who 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.640 at one that we're Confederate soldiers? Literally all of them 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:07.760 were Confederate soldiers. So why so, Like what I'm saying 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.520 is like I feel because I'm the interview with Vampire 0:14:10.559 --> 0:14:13.839 Reboot is a period drama. I'm like I feel this, Like, 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.120 I mean, it's already very racialized. They have conversations about 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:19.480 race that I think are really interesting, and I think 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:21.560 my one company is I do think Louis is like 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:25.040 can be occasionally like a little fart facey, Like sometimes 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.680 I wish that he was just a little less soap 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.840 and a little more like acting. I just like don't 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.760 really see that. I think he's really good. I just 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.720 think I'm sometimes I'm watching and I get a little 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:40.880 bit of like gladrill and rings of power, like I'm 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.560 not really getting the emotion that I want. But he 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.760 is also really he's not as bad as glad you. 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.800 Glad you literally cannot make an emotion to save her life, 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:51.360 Like still literally okay, sorry, can I spoiler alert something 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.840 really quick? Sure? Sure? I for for all the virgins listening. Um, 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:58.560 I have kind of stopped watching Rings of Power. I'm 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.320 gonna wait till all the episodes are out and just 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.520 binge it because I just got really bored. I actually 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:06.640 won't even spoil it that hard. All I'm gonna say 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:09.640 is that something happens. We're in a huge part of 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:14.720 the world literally explodes, and and glad Reel still cannot 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:18.680 make a facial expression, like the world is collapsing on 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.400 top of her and around her, smoke, fire, brimstone, and 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:26.520 she cannot raise an eyebrow. I was like, girl, like, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.000 your botox is not like that restrictive, Like, I know 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.440 you can do this. It's actually comical at this point. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.720 But when all the episodes are out and you do watch, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.240 I'm very excited to debrief. Well, I'm not excited to 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:42.200 debrief because it's not an exciting show, but I still 0:15:42.200 --> 0:15:44.800 want to talk to you about anyways. Interview with the 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.160 Vampire great much better than Rings of Power. Please watch it. 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.600 It's so good. You haven't you you've watched some of 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.760 last night's House of the Dragon. Yes, oh, yes, we 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.520 need to catch up on Okay, but you haven't watched 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.920 the whole thing, so we can't really catch up. No, 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.960 so we can't get Maybe for the for the Virsion's benefit, 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:06.600 we won't get into spoilers for last week's episode. But 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.160 as we are coming up on the end of the season, 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.920 because I believe there's only two episodes left, what are 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:18.080 you most excited about? What are you most excited to see? 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.000 Where do you think this how do you think the 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.080 season is going to wrap up? Obviously? Okay, So Rania 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.440 Damon are going to have like a wild fox sesh. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.560 They're gonna kill everyone. Rania is gonna walk up to 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:29.800 the bar. She's gonna say, can I have a groaning? 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.280 Smuggliante not really just came out of nowhere this weekend. 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:40.880 Payton Dicks really put in the word should be paying 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.960 her honestly, But like I have to say, just to 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.480 be annoying as an online area, I have been ordering 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:51.680 the gronies at dive bars for like years, okay years. 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:54.840 I love ordering a groaning at like literally any bar 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:56.800 because it's really hard to funk up, you know what 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:59.880 I mean? Um, So I don't know like what all this, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.040 like you know why everyone's going crazy over Emma because 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:11.440 of the way so hot. God, they are so hot 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:17.840 and they're so good like the acting and last night's episode. 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.840 I mean, I will say last night's episode was not 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:22.800 one of my favorites of the season. I thought it 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:28.359 was a bit clunky. Um, but the performances across the 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:32.800 board are just so good. Yeah. This so I'm a 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.480 part way through this most recent episode. It's really choppy 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.919 right there there, trying because they do another time jump, 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:43.399 but this is the last six years? Oh is it really? Okay? 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.480 That's great. So it's a six year time jump, allegedly 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:50.199 the last one. And um, it's like they are just 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:53.680 planting plot points in teeny tiny scenes scattered through the 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.520 whole episode to propel you forward and to kind of 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.440 get you up to speed, so to speak. And again, 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.760 like like we said last time, it doesn't feel like, 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.119 you know, poorly done or like I'm not getting what 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.880 I want, but I just I want more. So many eggs, 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:12.439 so many eggs. People really in medieval times or whatever 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.840 just kind of reuse the same five names over and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:17.679 over again. But do you have do you have a 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:22.000 favorite character? Yeah, I mean Rania. I love also Rain 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.880 Rain rainis the who never was um. She she got 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.000 a lot to do in this episode, which was great. 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:31.920 She did, and she's becoming more of like a player, 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:33.679 like a real or she always has been, but it 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.880 is even more so like a player. I also like Helena, 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.280 who is the daughter of Allison, who seems to have 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:46.040 some kind of prophetic vision thing happening. She might have 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.240 the dragon dreams that some targe Arians have because she's 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.679 now predicted a couple of things over the course of 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.920 these episodes. And she has a sweet little moment in 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:59.520 this episode as well that you'll see. But you know, 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.000 the thing about the show is, as we've said, it's 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.159 everyone's bad, even the people that I'm rooting for, Like 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.359 obviously I'm Team Black, I'm on r near a side 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:11.960 at Team Inside, And I think the show is being 0:19:12.000 --> 0:19:15.080 a little a little heavy handed with wanting you to 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:20.160 root for Rani a side by making Allison and the 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:26.040 Greens kind of like more obviously and almost cartoonishly villainous, 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.520 because I think, as we've said, when it comes down 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.439 to it, like these are all bad people doing bad 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:36.600 things for like the goal of what power. Like that's 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.760 kind of it, and so I'm not rooting for anyone 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.320 so much as I'm just enjoying the ride, because at 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:45.800 the end of the day, these are all bad people, 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:48.800 and I like I already we all we all already 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.640 know how it ends because we've all watched Game of Thrones, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.040 so we know it's going to end badly. But it's 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.800 just so much fun to see how badly it's gonna end. 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.520 It is and I think, just like in the container 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.640 of the story is still so compelling. So yeah, I'm 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.200 I'm I hate how much I've grown to like the show, 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:08.800 but I think it's kind of my favorite thing on 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.160 right now. I'm going to be devastated with the vampire, 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.120 devastated when it ends. Maybe I should be something from 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:17.639 House of the Dragon for Halloween. Um, if you have 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.960 suggestions for what I should be for Halloween, please slide 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:22.720 into our d M s at like a Virgin four 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:26.760 twenty sixty nine to let me know, because I still 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:48.719 have no clue as someone who hasn't seen quite as 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:54.040 much of the Tim Burton cannon as I have. What 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:59.520 do you think defines a Tim Burton film? Well, he 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.600 is a bit than ookie spooky girl. I think like 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.960 an oogie spooky aesthetic. I think everyone in the movie 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.520 needs to look blue in the face, just like like 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:13.520 so white that they are blue. Like that actually is 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.720 the palette that he's working with. And I actually think 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.320 that palette and like escape of color is is really 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:23.840 big in his films, Like there is an aesthetic that 0:21:23.920 --> 0:21:27.000 draws everything together. And then would you say, would you 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:31.959 say that above all Tim Burton movies are defined by 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:37.440 their aesthetic Unfortunately, yeah, um, and I you know it's 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:40.520 so funny is as someone who has on the pod said, 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.040 I'm like much more style over substance sometimes when we 0:21:45.040 --> 0:21:47.480 were talking about like bas Learman, I do think that 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:50.680 Tim Burton is kind of that girl too. Yes, I 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:56.960 I will say that I think he has some themes 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.680 that he does return to that are not just stylistic. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:08.679 Among them what death, death, the afterlife, um, you know, magic, darkness. 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:16.240 He also really likes um murder ghosts. Yes. Also, um, 0:22:16.359 --> 0:22:20.760 he is very into revisiting sort of older pieces of 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:25.080 pop culture. I think he's very much stuck in his 0:22:25.720 --> 0:22:32.080 childhood and looking back at those things through his lens. 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:37.159 So things like Batman, Alice in Wonderland, dark Shadows, Charlie 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:42.200 and the Chocolate Factory, and he is obsessed with youth 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:47.399 and innocence for a big chunk of his career. And 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.720 I would say like from the nineties to now, he 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:58.399 has primarily made ookie, spooky, family friendly films and entertainment. 0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:00.800 And these are a lot of these are reboots, right, 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:06.280 A lot of these are adaptations of particularly dark stories 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:09.880 from the yore of children's storytelling. You know, I think 0:23:09.880 --> 0:23:13.360 that darkness is something that you can say ends up 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.960 in every single one of his films, is some capacity 0:23:17.040 --> 0:23:20.439 both literal and metaphorical darkness. But I also he is 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.399 thought of as an auteur, and I think there is 0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:29.639 a cultural perception that with his films he is writing, directing, 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:33.120 doing all of the stylistic work, and in a lot 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:37.440 of cases that's not always true. You know, something like Beetlejuice, 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.520 which I think is a really good place for us 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.600 to start, because I do believe it his his best work, 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:45.280 and we watched it last night. Fran saw it for 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.320 the first time. Um, he didn't write the script to Beetlejuice. 0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:51.360 Beetlejuice was a script that was kind of shuffling around 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:55.399 the studio system trying to find the right director and 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:58.400 went through a bunch of rewrites until it eventually made 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.520 its way to Tim Burton. It was a newly much 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:05.080 darker and was you know, through his work on it 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.880 became sort of a lighter. I mean obviously still very 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:12.000 you know, tongue in cheek and there are things now 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:14.159 that I don't think you'd get away with, and a 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:18.640 sort of like family comedy today. But yeah, I mean 0:24:18.680 --> 0:24:24.040 it's still like palatable for a PG thirteen audience, even 0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:29.359 though Beetlejuice does say fuck at least once. Oh, I 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:32.120 think in PG thirteen movies you actually can only say 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.880 fuck once and then if you say at a second time, 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.040 if you say a second time, it's radar ar. Yeah. Um, 0:24:38.080 --> 0:24:40.639 I know that because my family, because of how I 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:44.360