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Speaker 1: Hey, it's Amy and thanks for listening and being subscribed

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Speaker 1: to the Bobbybone Show podcast. Now this episode I'm about

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Speaker 1: to share with you as an interview that I did

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Speaker 1: on my show Women of I Heart Country. And in

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Speaker 1: case you're not familiar with it, it's a show that

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Speaker 1: I host every weekend where we showcase of women in

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Speaker 1: country music, and this week my guest is Cam. We

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Speaker 1: talked about her new song Till There's Nothing Left and

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Speaker 1: the funny story behind how her grandmother inspired it. Cam

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Speaker 1: also performed her song Burning House, and we got into

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Speaker 1: the story behind writing that song and the first time

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Speaker 1: her getting to open up for Eric Church recently, and

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Speaker 1: all that she has coming up. So we got all

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Speaker 1: that inside this episode with Cam, and you can listen

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Speaker 1: to Women of iHeart Country hosted by me every weekend.

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Speaker 1: Just check out your local iHeartRadio station or search Women

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Speaker 1: of iHeart Country on your iHeartRadio app. But here it

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Speaker 1: is a special edition of Women of iHeart Country with Cam.

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Speaker 1: Let's Goo Goo go give it up for women. Come

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Speaker 1: on iHeart Country with Amy Brown in studio now with Cam. Cam.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being here, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: It's so fun to see your face. Hard to just

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Speaker 1: drive down the road, I know, it's so nice to

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Speaker 1: see you in person. Yes, Okay, So your album The

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Speaker 1: Other Side, it came out back in October twenty twenty,

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Speaker 1: and I'm about to debut a single from it called

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Speaker 1: until There's Nothing Left? And how did you decide to

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Speaker 1: make that one your next single? I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: really fun, Like we've been playing it live and it

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Speaker 1: was for Halloween. We did it at a show and

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Speaker 1: you'd see like a Squid Game character and a Where's

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Speaker 1: Waldo and like a teletub and they're all like dance

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Speaker 1: and like to There's Nothing Left, And I feel like

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Speaker 1: that's what this whole song kind of like makes you move,

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Speaker 1: you know. It's just I don't know, it's like a

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Speaker 1: the best I can do is just go on gut.

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah. I saw it started with maybe a

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Speaker 1: I know, Well, we had a really bad writing day,

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Speaker 1: which I people don't normally talk about, but like a

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, this is the vibe, like we

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Speaker 1: gotta that's like the nugget you want. You want like

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Speaker 1: Here's till there's nothing left. Buy cam on Women of

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Speaker 1: I Heart Country give you ever sing one to this,

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Speaker 1: and you've got your guitar player with you. What's your name, Simon? Simon?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Women of I Heart Country. You So you're

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Speaker 1: about to perform Burning House And I want to go

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Speaker 1: it went number one? What do you remember from that day?

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Speaker 1: how about we play Burning House now? Right? Yes? I

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Speaker 1: be really fun. Well that's awesome. Definitely something for CAM

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Speaker 1: and definitely check out her latest album, The Other side,

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to music, This is women of iHeart

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