1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: It's now time for Cannabis Talk one oh one with Blue, 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Mark and Craig Wasserman, the Pot Brothers 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: at Law. We're the world's number one podcast for everything cannabis. 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to Cannabis Talk one oh one. My name is Blue. 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: Alongside of me is the world famous Pot Brothers at 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: Law and Mr Joe Grande and we have an amazing 7 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: show for you today. Joe tell them what's going on. 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: But well, first off, thank you everyone for listening to 9 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: our podcast, Cannabis Talk one on one on the I 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app Apple Podcast wherever you get your podcast, 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: and make sure you check out our Instagram pages for 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: daily news learned, the scrapp learned the Slam poem, all 13 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: the good stuff on there, and of course a bunch 14 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: of the great things on our personal lives. It's at 15 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one at Pot Underscore Brothers Underscore 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: at Underscore Law. At Washed Law is little brother Mark Wasserman, 17 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: at wash Law Dog is big brother Craig, and at 18 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: one Christopher Wright is Blue and at Joe Grande fifty 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: two is myself. And as I said, your name Craig. 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: The first thing that popped into my mind is how 21 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: many laps are you at right now? Because and not 22 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: only as we're doing the show, but when I go 23 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: back and listen to the podcast, I'm like the dudes 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: at like twenty some laps in his pool as we're 25 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,119 Speaker 1: all still at home doing this show together. And I'm 26 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: not gonna lie Craig when I just said your name. 27 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: The first thing that popped in my head is and 28 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure the listeners out there they're wondering as well. 29 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: So we start off with you doing three laps and 30 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: this quarantine got up to twenty? Has it jumped up 31 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 1: since then? You had a thirty five? I'm actually up 32 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: to seven team laps to go down there, you know 33 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: I was. I never said twenty roll back to the tape. 34 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I never said fifteen turnovers, not laps back and forth? 35 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: Is one way? Is two ways back and forth because 36 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: my pools about ft long, so it's one laps out 37 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: in both ways. Well, today we have a special guest 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: with us on the show, Bonnie Johnson. Bonnie Johnson is 39 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: a registered dietitian, nutritionists, food industry consultant. She's a speaker, 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: a certified cannabis consultant, She spends much of her volunteer 41 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: time educating a variety of audiences about the benefits and 42 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: potential risk of using cannabis to treat chronic pain, anxiety, 43 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: and zomnia, and other elements. As a consultant, she works 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: with food and cannabis industries to bring science based education 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: to healthcare professionals and category changing products to the market. Now, 46 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Bonnie has a new article in the spring edition of 47 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis. We love the magazine. 48 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Everything they represent and put out has been great articles 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: so far, and they put an amazing article out with 50 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: this one as well. And you did tons of research. 51 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: You have seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. We 52 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: can't wait to hear all of out them. Welcome to 53 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: the show, Bonnie, Thanks Joe, I'm glad to be here. Well, 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: it's so good to have you on. And before we 55 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: get to you and talk about this, you guys, ESPN 56 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: had its highest rated show ever with Michael Jordan's series 57 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: The Last Dance in My Home. It's must see TV, right. 58 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you guys, even Bonny yourself, have watched 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 1: these episodes yet. Absolutely, I've been watching it religiously with 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: my wife. Actually, she's been totally into it, which is great. Yeah, 61 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. Just this the way this uh, this 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: guy operates in his whole modality of mentality, winning at 63 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: all costs. Oh, he's he's awesome. What about you, Blue? 64 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: You know, I don't see any Chicago Bulls in the 65 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: background over there, buddy, All I see is Lakers in 66 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the back. So I'm not sure you're really even a 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: Jordan fan. Mr Grande. That's funny. I actually did an 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: interview with Jordan at the Staples Center, and I doesn't 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: make you a fan? He all times. What about you, Craig, 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: have you watched it? Oh, you can't cut by me 71 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: like that. Hold on, I'm not done. I didn't get 72 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: to see it, but I do believe Jordan has a 73 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: work ethic that that a lot of people um didn't recognize. 74 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: As a young entrepreneur, that guy he used to say 75 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: that I look forward to where the ball is gonna go, 76 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: not where I'm gonna throw it or where I'm gonna 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: be at. So I remember those times growing up with them, 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: and I do remember the three peats and all that stuff. 79 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: When the Lakers and the Chicago Bulls were going at it. So, Craig, 80 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: what about you? I have not watched it yet. I 81 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: plan on watching it, but I have not watched it yet. 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: You guys, I promise you you won't miss out. And you, Bonnie, 83 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: have you got a chance to check it out? I 84 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: know you're a sports fanatic, as I call you, and 85 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: you're on the golf course. We have seen the first 86 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: four episodes. I missed this week's UM run because it 87 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: was Mother's Day and I have five kids to take 88 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: care of and They's day. Thank you, But we have 89 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: we have watched it religiously huge Jordan fan. I spent 90 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 1: eight years in Chicago, and um, I love the sport. 91 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Much bigger college basketball fan than NBA, but big followers. 92 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: March Madness, that is the best March Madness. My god, 93 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: thirty years I've been watching March Madness in Vegas, actually 94 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: in Vegas. You know what I took, what I'm taking 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: away from this last dance, Joe, UM, I think about 96 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: you a lot, Joe. When they show these clips, they 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: show these clips of Jordan's just cussing out his teammates 98 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: and they and they really didn't even do anything that bad. 99 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: They maybe they dropped the ball or something. Was it 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: was an accident, it was it was no, but it 101 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: was just and he just lays into him, kind of 102 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: like you laying into my brother and Blue and we 103 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: make a little mistake. Man, Joe, I don't know, I 104 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know. What do you think of the cost of winning? 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: It's tough? Yeah, I agree. Actually I look at that 106 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: and go, you know what, I'm like that too sometimes 107 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: going off on people. Why do I want to win 108 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: so bad? Jeesus that a bad? Is that bad to have? 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: Is that not? Absolutely not. By the reason I mentioned 110 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: that show is because in his rookie year he went 111 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: into a hotel room and see some guys doing lines 112 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: and party and and he didn't partake. He kind of 113 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 1: got out of there real quick. But it got me thinking, 114 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: who do you guys think is the most famous athlete 115 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: to come out of the green closet. I'm not talking 116 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 1: about doing lines closet. I'm talking about the green closet 117 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: smoking cannabis. And Mark, let's start with you, because there's 118 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: so many athletes that are out there that have come 119 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: out are that have just been caught And I'm not 120 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: just talking strictly advocates that have you know, that are 121 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: pretty like you know, we just had Kyle Turley on 122 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: to one of the podcasts and he says, that's the 123 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: cure from all and which, And he's a huge advocate. 124 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: And I believe Matt Barnes is like the face for 125 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: cannabis right now as of x NFL or excume ex athletes, 126 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: that is, he's an NBA player. But in your opinion, 127 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: who do you see as your biggest athlete to come 128 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: out of the green closet. I gotta go with Ricky Williams. 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: I gotta go with Ricky Williams. What I think it 130 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: was twenty sixteen, I think it was, and he he 131 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: he walked away left ten million dollars on the table 132 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: something like that because of his belief in cannabis and 133 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: using it. And I mean that that's a huge statement 134 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: walking away from that much money. And he's been an 135 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: advocate ever since. And I think he, you know, has 136 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: his own CBD line and I think he's he's probably, 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: if not the biggest, one, one of the biggest. That's 138 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: what I think. I don't think there's right or wrong, 139 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: Blue Who's yours? You know, I'm gonna go with Nick 140 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: and Nate Diaz and uh, you know they they've had 141 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: such a controversial come out in the industry, meaning that 142 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: you know, they just decided, we're gonna smoke in front 143 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: of everybody. We don't care. This is what we do. 144 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: Uh lose possibly losing their UFC titles and all kinds 145 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: of different you know, uh things that have came against them, 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: but they continued to do it, and uh they've been 147 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: forefront on it. So Belie, it's so funny. These are 148 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: great ones. And what about you, Craig. I gotta go 149 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:14,559 Speaker 1: right now with Big Mike Tyson. Yes, yea, the best 150 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: thing lately that they've had him on film. And I 151 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen his Instagram post where he's 152 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: boxing training with the hands and oh my god, he 153 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: smokes that much weed every day and he's doing that 154 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of workout. It just shows what we've been preaching. 155 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: Everybody changes stigma. We does not slow you down, and 156 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 1: you would laps in the pool. I mean, you can 157 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: do it. Before you know, you're gonna be doing your 158 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: nine a m workouts like my mother does workouts. I'm 159 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: gonna be like Michael Phelps. That's another one, Michael, although 160 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: he got But Bonnie, who is your athlete? Well, I 161 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: don't know if he's the most famous, but he's for 162 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: sure my favorite. And that's Bill Walton, the whole Walton family. 163 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: I love them. A matter of fact. One of his sons, 164 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 1: his son lives right by here, and my other my 165 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: son plays baseball with one of his grandsons. So I 166 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: have I have the time. Oh did you out in Arizona? 167 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: Oh cool? How fun is that? Well, you guys, I 168 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: think we just said. The name Michael Phelps, in my opinion, 169 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: has to be one of the biggest, well known. I mean, 170 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: he's the most awarded Olympian swimmer ever. So when I 171 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: think of biggest athletes, I definitely thought of Ricky Williams, 172 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: Nate everyone everyone said, I actually didn't think of Mr Walton, 173 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: but all of are great. But I think, in my opinion, 174 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: Michael Phelps is just one of those guys that you go, 175 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that swimmer smokes weed like that, he's 176 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: taking pictures with the bombs he's got. He's at parties 177 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: had smoke. It blew the world away. They weren't ready 178 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: for it, you know what I mean. It was like Yeah, 179 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: this guy smoked sweede. He eats a lot of pancakes 180 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: and a huge breakfast, huge lunch, and huge dinner and 181 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,599 Speaker 1: he goes out there and he kicks ass and he 182 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: was like a gold medal. Yeah. So it's like, you know, 183 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: the stereotypes about it should have been broken many moons ago, 184 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: but it's still funny how we still have to fight it. Well, 185 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: let's break real quick, you guys, come back with Bonnie 186 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 1: Johnson and talk about her article and the CRX magazine 187 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: coming out about anxiety and cannabis. It's Cannabis Talk one 188 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: oh one. Welcome back to Cannabis Talk one oh one. 189 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: On the show, we have a special guest with us, 190 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: Bonnie Johnson. Now she holds a Masters of Science degree 191 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: and nutrition and is a registered dietitian nutritionists. Bonnie, as 192 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: a writer, has a new article in the spring edition 193 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: of CRX magazine about anxiety and cannabis. Welcome to the show, Bonnie. 194 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: How are you? Thanks Joe so much, I'm glad to 195 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: be here. Well, it's so good. We all got a 196 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: chance to read your article as it's about to come 197 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: out in the spring edition of the six magazine, and 198 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: I personally thought it was so well put together. You 199 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: had so much information in there, you did so much research. 200 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: How long did it take you to put this article together? Uh, 201 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: this probably took me a couple of months worth of research. 202 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 1: Are asking a lot of questions looking for UM some 203 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: really good science behind it. I think it's really interesting 204 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: to bring up Michael Phelps being a cannabis user UM 205 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: and such a great athlete. A lot of that has 206 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: to do with anxiety that they really need to be 207 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: able to control that anxiety. And sometimes there are pharmaceuticals 208 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: that won't do it. UM and it can really help 209 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: them improve their performance by decreasing those pre and post 210 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: competition anxieties. And you talked about the story. The article 211 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: headline is anxiety and cannabis. What are some of the 212 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: anxiety symptoms out there? Somebody's like going, I feel this, 213 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: I feel that what if this is anxiety? Right? And 214 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: I think that the symptoms can really change from person 215 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: to person. But you feel all sorts of things. It's 216 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: a nervousness. It can be that when you're you know, 217 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: you feel that pit in the bottom of your stomach. UM. 218 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: It can even be it can be massive headaches, it 219 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: can be shaky hands. It can and it can be 220 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: really um, just a feeling of dread and depression. So 221 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: anxiety and depression tend to go hand in hand um 222 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 1: And sometimes we try to put those things off as 223 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: just normal feelings, but they really aren't. It means something's 224 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: out of balance in your body. Let me ask you this, Bonny, 225 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs. You made a comment a second ago 226 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: about how this can help performance because it relieves their 227 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: anxiety before or after or both. And tell me how 228 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: that's different from performance enhancing drugs that are banned in 229 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: in all these sports. Well, I'm not an expert in 230 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs, but I believe that those are actually 231 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: compounds that will improve things like blood flow, um, decreased 232 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 1: muscle fatigue, actually the improved physical parameters around performance, where 233 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: something like cannabis wouldn't be considered performance enhancing necessarily. It's 234 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: something that can put you in the right mental state 235 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: to compete better, not a necessarily a physical state to 236 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: compete better. You know, Bonny, I got a question just 237 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: about your background. A little bit about your background. Where 238 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: did you study. I went to the University of Arizona, 239 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: got my degree in nutrition, and then I got my 240 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: master's degree at Colorado State. Um I was born and 241 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: raised here in Colorado, so I came home you know something, 242 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I sometimes I get anxiety, but when I smoke, 243 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: you know, and and so I think it's just different 244 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: for a lot of people. I mean, you know, I 245 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't smoke as much as I used to, and um, 246 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: I purposely don't because for a while I was smoking 247 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: so much that it didn't I didn't really know whether 248 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, it was the cannabis or if it was 249 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: just myself. But then I realized once I you know, 250 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: got away from it completely, you know, that it was 251 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: when I smoke or if I smoke too much, And 252 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: I was smoking with tobacco like rolled in blunts and 253 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: different kinds of tobacco, so it also got probably helped helped, 254 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: you know, with my anxiety, but it would add a 255 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,960 Speaker 1: lot of anxiety. But I realized when I if I 256 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: ate a small dose of edibles, that I didn't have 257 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: that anxiety as well. So I think it's a you know, 258 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: chip for chat. What do you think about people that 259 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: do do get it for when they do smoke as well? Well, 260 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: I think it's really important to understand that cannabis has 261 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: kind of a dual nature that a little bit can 262 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: help control anxiety and too much can actually cause anxiety. 263 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: So it's really a matter of figuring out that perfect 264 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: dose and timing for yourself that doesn't push you over 265 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: that edge into the anxious feelings. But for a lot 266 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: of people, really low doses or micro dosing of cannabis 267 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: can help control that anxiety all day long. Um So 268 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: just taking you know, a little bit at a time, 269 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: and that's where edibles really can come in or even 270 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: tinctures come in to help titrate those dosages. So that's 271 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: a small amount controlling that anxiety over a long period 272 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: of time. And we always talk about dosing up, starting small, 273 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: dosing up. And one of the things Joe is always 274 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: saying now he uses CBD and he likes to refer 275 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: to like, I know, if I have to take an 276 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: ad bill, that directions say take two for my weight 277 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: and my this and my that. There really isn't anything 278 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: yet for cannabis. What what are your thoughts and comments 279 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: on getting to that point? Do you think it will 280 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: ever happen? How close are we what do you think? Well, 281 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: I think it's really difficult to come to that point 282 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: with any kind of natural product that is derived from plants. UM, 283 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of standardization that has to go on 284 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: before you can actually start putting out specific doses for 285 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: weights or for genders or for age groups and stuff 286 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: like that. What I think is even more important is 287 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: to work with somebody like a cannabis consultant to really 288 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: figure out and titrate those doses up. So when I 289 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: work with patients, I have them keep a pretty detailed 290 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: diary about how they feel before they take it, how 291 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: much they take, when, how they feel within fifteen minutes, 292 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: a half an hour, or two hours UM. And then 293 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: we can really balance that out so that people find 294 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: that perfect sweet spot and don't go over it and 295 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: then and don't waste their time going under it either. 296 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: If it's not making you feel better, there's no reason 297 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: to do it, So you do have to add a 298 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: little bit at a time. But I think that UM, 299 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: that's one of those common misconceptions is we should all 300 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: know how to take this UM and just wing it UM. 301 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: But there are actually people out there who can really 302 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: help you figure that out for yourself. When did you 303 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: start studying and researching cannabis as part of your practice. 304 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: When did you bring that into the game for you? So? 305 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: I brought cannabis into my practice about six or seven 306 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: years ago. UM. We had been living in Chicago. UM. 307 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: I was had a really high level executive job, and 308 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: I was struggling really, really bad with anxiety. And I 309 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: had tried some prescription medications that made me feel weird 310 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: and awful. Um. The anxiety had gotten bad enough that 311 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: I decided to give up that job and move home 312 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: to Colorado. UM. And on our move back here, UM, 313 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,359 Speaker 1: my husband begged me to try cannabis for my headaches, 314 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: and it worked within fifteen minutes. And I have been 315 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: an advocate and educator ever since. Was your husband as well? No, 316 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: my husband is actually a pilot at all. That's great. 317 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this body. I'm looking at some 318 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: pre notes that we've made here, and you've got I 319 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: think you say something to the effect of CBD slows 320 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: the breakdown of natural and then quote unquote bliss molecules 321 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: in your brain which may help keep anxiety symptoms away. 322 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: What is that? Sounds like a beautiful word, bliss. What 323 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: what is so your brain actually produces a molecule called anandamide, 324 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: which is almost identical to th hc um, but it 325 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: produces it in small amounts and it's broken down really 326 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: really quickly to try to maintain balance in your brain. 327 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: When you take CBD, it actually slows down the breakdown 328 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: of that natural anandomide so that you have a little 329 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: bit longer lasting effects of that bliss molecule that actually 330 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: makes you feel calm um makes and take away some 331 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: of those anxiety symptoms. Well that's the same for th 332 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 1: HC if you don't do too much. But well, th 333 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: HC actually will stimulate all those good feelings too, because 334 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: it looks exactly like a nandomde. It's just comes from 335 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: an external source that comes from an outside source. So 336 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 1: th HC looks like that bliss molecule to your brain 337 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: and it uses it the same way. Th HC is 338 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: not broken down as quickly. It actually hangs around in 339 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: your system quite a bit longer. And that's why taking 340 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: a little bit, taking too much, or taking a lot 341 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: will give you that high feeling, where when your brain 342 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: naturally reluses a nandom mine, you won't ever get high 343 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: from that. We're talking to Bonnie Johnson right now. She 344 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: has a new article in the CRX magazine about anxiety 345 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: and cannabis. And we've mentioned on here. As you and 346 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Blue were talking, uh and going back and forth, you said, 347 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: too much th HC can also cause some type of anxiety. 348 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: And I'm just wondering to the pot brothers at law, 349 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody smoke as much as you, Mark 350 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: and Craig. You try to hold on there too. But 351 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,479 Speaker 1: when you guys, you guys ever smoked too much that 352 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: you guys feel some anxiety, because I've never seen it 353 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: happen between you two, and we've been around each other 354 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: for quite a few years now, I've seen it on him. Never. 355 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: You shouldn't have get anxiety. I mean, I've seen them smoked. 356 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: I've seen a little brother. I've seen little brother take 357 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: dabs and and and and be a little bit uncomfortable. 358 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: I don't know what he's holding under there, what you know, 359 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: how to how to you know uncomfortable? I don't know 360 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: what you're talking about. He's just he's just pinging off 361 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: the walls. He pains, he's a PingER. We keep anxiety 362 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: level level headed, but when you guys, never, never, never, 363 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: When you guys smoke a lot, of weeks. I have 364 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: friends that have though, I mean, it does. It can, 365 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: cause we've seen a lot of people. I mean, I'm 366 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: sure everyone has. Yeah, I had a lot of people 367 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: work through it. I will say that in reading, in 368 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: reading the article, in Bonnie's article mentioning UH one of 369 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: the symptoms anxiety disorders O c D or you have 370 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 1: a lot of them. When I was reading, I was 371 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: thinking of you. But no, big brother has a lot 372 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: of O c D. Smoke so much cannabis. How come 373 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: it doesn't help his O c D. What are you 374 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: talking about? Wait? I got wait, I gotta I gotta 375 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:17,479 Speaker 1: straighten my computer. It's crooked, correctly, Bonnie and the article, 376 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: more than one in six Americans take UH some type 377 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: of antidepressant for the psychiatric drugs. I mean, how crazy 378 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: is that to think of? And why is it cannabis 379 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: being used more? When you look at a statistic like that, Well, 380 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: I think that there's two things that contribute to not 381 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: being used more. Number one, like we already said, is 382 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,360 Speaker 1: the standardization and not being able to write a prescription 383 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: for dose and timing um for somebody and just walk 384 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: out of the office. And that's unfortunately, as Western medicine 385 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 1: is probably consumers of Western medicine. That's what we're used to, 386 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and that's what we feel comfortable with. So when somebody 387 00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 1: says to you, hey, you could try cannabis. We don't 388 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: know how much or um or when to take it 389 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: or what kind of take, but you could experiment on yourself. 390 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: We tend to shy away from those kinds of things. 391 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: But I do think we're seeing the population grow that 392 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: they are taking a little bit more responsibility for their 393 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: health and they're willing to try cannabis. But I think 394 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: the second, the second um kind of scary part is 395 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: is that when you do take it and maybe get 396 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: too much, or you do it in the wrong way 397 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 1: um without keeping track, it can cause that paranoia, that 398 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,239 Speaker 1: anxiety feeling, and then they think that they're doing the 399 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 1: wrong thing. So, you know, like there's kind of two 400 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: sides to this. One is you have to be willing 401 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: to experiment with yourself, and two is you need to 402 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: be working with somebody who knows what they're doing so 403 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: that they can help you along the way. Yeah, and 404 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: that's why micro dooceing is probably so important for everybody 405 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: out there who's gonna try to use this as a 406 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 1: you know drug that you're gonna take, you know, you know, 407 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: whatever you're as a medicine you're gonna use. And explain 408 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more. And we've touched on it a 409 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: little bit what micro doocean is and how it should 410 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: be looked at and how so much you go at it. Well, 411 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: So micro dosing is consuming really small amounts of cannabis 412 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: over a longer period of time. So when I work 413 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: with my patients, I will recommend um either using a 414 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: tincture because that's pretty easy to dose correctly, so it'll 415 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: be maybe um, maybe UM seventy five milligrams I'm sorry, 416 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: point seven five milligrams of a th h C cbd 417 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: blend every two hours to see if that controls anxiety. UM, 418 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: keeping in mind that those tinctures take fifteen to twenty 419 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: minutes to work. If I have a really adventurous claim, 420 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:40,959 Speaker 1: I do work with a vape pen, I think that 421 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: those are among the safer ways to do it again 422 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: because you can dose so easily UM, And it's basically 423 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: one puff every two hours of a one to one 424 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: cbd th hc um blend and people really can control 425 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 1: that much better. And if you can do that over 426 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: the course of about fourteen days. I have some patients 427 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: who do that maybe once every three months, and it 428 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: puts their anxiety on track and they can be off 429 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: of it for a while, and then they just have 430 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: to go back they start to feel anxious again. They'll 431 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: start that titration again, that micro dosing for about two weeks, 432 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: feel much better and that will hold them off for 433 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: a couple of months. So it's not Why do you 434 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: feel it's taken so long for the medical community to 435 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: kind of hop on board with the cannabis industry. Oh, 436 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: I think that there's a gigantic political discussion behind that, right, 437 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: we don't. We don't have enough time for that. But 438 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 1: what we do have time for. What we do have 439 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: time for, though, is I would like you to explain 440 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: to our listeners is, as in late terms as you can, 441 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: the endocannabinoid system and how that works along with the anxiety. Okay, 442 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: so your body has a system called the endocannabinoid system. 443 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: It's kind of like your digestive system or your nervous system, 444 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: but it's a system that helps keep your body in 445 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 1: balance in a lot of different ways. And one of 446 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: the ways that we see endocannabinoid deficiencies, or when your 447 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: body is not in balance. Your endocannabinoid system is not 448 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: in balance, is with this anxiety and depression symptoms um 449 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: and That is because you may not have enough of 450 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: the natural UM molecules being released from your brain that 451 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: keep your endocannabinoid system in balance. One of those is 452 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: a nandomide that I just talked about that looks a 453 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: lot like th hc um. If your body is not 454 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: producing enough anandomide, you're not going to have that sense 455 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: of calmness, and you actually can see increasing anxiety symptoms 456 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: um and and that can be for a number of reasons. 457 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: It can be because of too much stress, it can 458 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: be genetic that your body doesn't produce enough of it 459 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: in the first place. There's a number of reasons why 460 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: that may happen. But you can do things from an 461 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: outside perspective to help balance your endocannabinoid system back, and 462 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 1: those things are th HC and CBD. So cannabis does 463 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: help balance that endocannabinoid system. But there's some research that 464 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: shows that even exercise and eating healthy can actually help 465 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: bring that into balance because it can increase your body's 466 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: ability to produce those natural uh end the endocannabinoids, those 467 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: carnabinoids that your brain makes to make you feel calm. 468 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: There you go. We are here with Bonnie Johnson, writer 469 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: for CRX Magazine, Masters of Science degree and nutrition registered dietitian. 470 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us on Cannabis Talk 471 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 1: one O one. One of the things I saw in 472 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: your article transcranial magnetic stimulation. Isn't that shock treatment? Um? 473 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: It's a very new it's a much much more more 474 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: sound version of shock treatment. Yes, um. And it is 475 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 1: only used in extreme cases of anxiety and depression. But 476 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 1: it can put your brain back into balance when it's 477 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: been unbalanced for so long? Isn't that what they did? 478 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: And one flew over the cuckoo's nest? I said technology 479 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: has advanced quite a bit. They also used the pillow too. 480 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 1: I'll stick with the cannabis. I think that sounds safer 481 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: to me. People. You know, you did tyes of research 482 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: and the seven misconceptions about using cannabis for anxiety. Speak 483 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: on those a little bit, well. I think that people 484 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: for my number one is always people think that natural 485 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: is better than synthetic, or natural is better than pharmaceutical, 486 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: which is a misconception, and well, I do believe that 487 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: cannabis is a really great treatment for anxiety and natural 488 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: treatment for anxiety. Sometimes it needs to be used in 489 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: conjunction with pharmaceuticals, so there's not always a one one 490 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: or the other. Things can be used in tandem if 491 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: they're used correct. Um. Like I said before, continuous use 492 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: may not be necessary. You may be able to use 493 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: cannabis for seven to fourteen days put your body back 494 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: in balance, and then be and take a break for 495 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: a couple of months, and then when those anxiety symptoms 496 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: start to return, use it on and off, so it's 497 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: not something that you have to do all the time 498 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: to keep your body in balance. Um. And then again 499 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: we talked about that idea that high doses of cannabis 500 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,959 Speaker 1: UM can be harmful and can cause the opposite effects. 501 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: So you need to hit that sweet spot between too 502 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: little and too much so that you do have something 503 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: that can control those anxiety symptoms. When talking about hold on, 504 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: hold on, I'm sorry, I gotta mention this. You're because 505 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: you're talking about harmful effects. What can you tell us 506 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: about cannabinoid hypermesis syndrome. Well, that's in the next that's 507 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: in the summer issue of CRX magazine. I'm ahead of 508 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: my time. I'm usually ahead of my time. Of it's 509 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: it is rare, and it's not only high, it's not 510 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: only using high amounts of cannabis, but very very long 511 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: term UM, at that very high level UM. And there 512 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: is a syndrome. It's a real thing UM and you 513 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: can control it by taking a cannabis break. It's as 514 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: simple as that. And that's really the one way that 515 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: they can diagnose it is if they stop using cannabis 516 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: and all your nausea and vomiting goes away. That's probably 517 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: what it was, and that's HS is recurrent nausea, vomiting, cramping, 518 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: abdominal pain due to cannabis use, long long term, high 519 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: doses of cannabis use. So I'm at risk probably, so Mark, Well, 520 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: there it is, guys. It's Cannabis Talk one on one. 521 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this break. Welcome back to 522 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Cannabis Talk one on one. I'm Mark Washerman, little brother 523 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: the Pop brothers in law with my big brother Craig, 524 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: Joe Grande and Big Blue, and we want to give 525 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: our very special thanks to our producer Elvis. Our social 526 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: media director, Jennifer Bethan Sophia and David Wasserman at I 527 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 1: Heart for helping us get this podcast up and out 528 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: to the world. And a very special shout out to 529 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: Big Boy because he deserves it, and everyone who has 530 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: supported Cannabis Talk one oh one. We truly appreciate all 531 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: of you. And now the time of the show to 532 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: get to the High five with Cannabis Talk one oh 533 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: one and our guest Bonnie Johnson. Joe, take it away. 534 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: Try It's the High five with Bonnie Johnson, who has 535 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: an article in the spring issue of CRX magazine Anxiety 536 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: and Cannabis, and we've got to hear a lot of 537 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: great things about it. But Bonnie, now it's your time 538 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 1: to open up. How old you How old were you 539 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: the first? Yeah? How how old were you the first 540 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: time you smoked weed? And where did you get it from? 541 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: This is a judgment free zone, right absolutely. I was. 542 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: I was forty two and I went down dispensary in 543 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: downtown Denver and bought it myself. That's Craig has kids 544 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: that are forty two. Yeah. So, so, what what is 545 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: your favorite way to use cannabis? I do use of 546 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: eight pen um with a variety of different cartridges. Very nice. Well, 547 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: this is the High five with Bonnie Johnson on High 548 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. What is the craziest place you've ever used 549 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: or smoked cannabis? Well, so I have to say again, 550 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: judgment free zone at this point, it's probably my parents 551 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: house just right in front of my right in front 552 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: of my mom and dad. They know that I use 553 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,720 Speaker 1: it medically. Um, and it has become a totally judgment 554 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: free way. Um. Just like take popping a couple of 555 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: ad films and you get a headache, Did they partake 556 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: with you? No, my parents do not. Well, Mark and 557 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: Craig's parents don't roll you up a joint in a heartbeat, 558 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: Yes we do. And it's the Cannabis Talk one oh 559 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: one High Five with Bonnie Johnson of CRX magazine writer. 560 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: Question number four, what is your go to munchies when 561 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 1: you get high? Well, because I do, I really practice 562 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: micro dosing. I don't ever really get high. But my 563 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: go to munchy regardless of time is nacho cheese doritos. 564 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: Even though we're gonna judge that, we're gonna judge that alone. 565 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: I've seen your pictures. You know it doesn't matter. You 566 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: can eat a whole bag. Question number five and the 567 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: high five. If you could smoke cannabis with anyone, who 568 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: would it be? Again, I'm gonna have to go with 569 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 1: my husband, Um. Hopefully by sixty five he'll retire from 570 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: the industy, from the airline industry, and we will meet 571 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: on the jetway with a gigantic and just sit in 572 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: the gate area and get high. It's so funny, Bunny, 573 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 1: I have my kids, friends, parents, whatever. His dad is 574 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: a as a pilot, and he said that. The wife 575 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: said the same thing, like, I can't wait to smoke 576 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: with my husband once he's not a pilot. Like where 577 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: did I hear this from? Before? That is so interesting? 578 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 1: And before we end, I gotta ask, you've done so 579 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: much research on this, You've done so much research period. 580 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: What do you find that works best for treating this 581 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: as far as cannabis, smoking, tinksters, and edible dabbing. What 582 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: have you noticed will help the most with the anxiety 583 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: and the quickest In terms of anxiety. I think that 584 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: smoking actually helps the quickest and can be the most 585 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: long term, easily controllable way to treat it. Tinctures are 586 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: probably my second choice. They're my second choice because they're 587 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: a little bit harder to come by and you can't 588 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: always guarantee the quality that you're getting or the mix 589 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: that you're getting. So I really like the Cartridges and 590 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: you just get it such a quicker experience with that. 591 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: The one thing I always say no to when it 592 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: comes to treating anxiety with cannabis is dabbing. Do you 593 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: want to talk about the fastest way to cause a 594 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: panic attack or an anxiety attack? Dabbing will do it. 595 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I got I gotta admit. I gotta admit. 596 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: Seven years ago, when I first dabbed, I I had 597 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: to ground myself for riding my motorcycle for about six 598 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: I was stuck where I was and I don't know 599 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: if it was so much anxiety, but I have never 600 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: got that high. Now I dab subsequently haven't been that bad. 601 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: But that first experience of dabbing was like, Oh my god, 602 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: if I had anxiety, i'd have been would have been 603 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: off the charts. Joe, what do you think? What do 604 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: you think? Well, there it is. Guys. You know, we 605 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: want to thank you Bonnie for being on the show. 606 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Make sure you check out Bonnie Johnson and cr X magazine. 607 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: Uh you know, is any final final words from you, 608 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: Bonnie before we check out of here. I think that 609 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: the most important thing is that CRX mag is a 610 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: free subscription. Go to CRX mag dot com subscribe yourself. 611 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: It's a great resource for healthcare professionals, doctors, nurses, dietitians 612 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: who are interested in the cannabis space. Well, there it is, guys, 613 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: It's Cannabis Talk one oh one. Remember this. If no 614 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,840 Speaker 1: one else loves you, we do. 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