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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your guide to

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Speaker 1: the white Tail Woods, presented by first Light, creating proven

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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind. First

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Speaker 1: Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 2: the show, we are answering fourteen listeners submitted questions about

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Speaker 2: the white Tail Rut and joining me is one of

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Speaker 2: the very best bow hunters I know.

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Speaker 3: Andy May.

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Speaker 2: All right, now, real quick before we kick off today's episode,

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Speaker 2: I've got a little treat for you. It is, as

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Speaker 2: we speak, November. This is our first podcast of November

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. It is an incredible time of year.

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Speaker 2: Some might say it's the most wonderful time of year,

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Speaker 2: and others might even say it's the most most wonderful

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Speaker 2: time of.

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Speaker 3: Year to kill deer.

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Speaker 2: And with that said, some of you might recall that

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Speaker 2: last year when November hit, we released our first rut song.

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Speaker 2: It was a take on the most wonderful time of

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Speaker 2: the year that Christmas Carol, but our version was It's

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Speaker 2: the most wonderful time to kill deer and it was hilarious.

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Speaker 3: I loved it.

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Speaker 2: We got lots of comments and questions for folks, not

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Speaker 2: so much questions, more so just we love it, let's

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Speaker 2: hear more of it. How can we get this on

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Speaker 2: Spotify or wherever? So with that said, we wanted to

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Speaker 2: a run that one back for you. So if you

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Speaker 2: have not heard The Most Wonderful Time to Kill Deer,

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Speaker 2: we're going to play that for you here today to

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Speaker 2: kick off the new month of November.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: But secondly, we have a new song for you as well,

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Speaker 2: because you know this is that special time of year.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like Christmas for whitetail hunters.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: We are in the mood, we are excited. We're expecting

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Speaker 2: a big old gift underneath the tree. In this case,

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Speaker 2: it's not something from Santa. We're looking for something from

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Speaker 2: a deer, hopefully a big old buck within twenty yards. Right,

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Speaker 2: So we went ahead and adjusted, tweaked spoofed another Christmas

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Speaker 2: carol of sorts. So first please enjoy the Most Wonderful

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Speaker 2: Time to Kill Deer, and then secondly enjoy our latest hit,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Big White Tails.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy boys. Good to see you, Hayden, it's been a while. Hey,

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Speaker 4: sorry I'm late.

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Speaker 5: I crashed my pontiac castec into a light pole and

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Speaker 5: had to walk the rest of the way. But I'm

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Speaker 5: here now, that's what matters. Give me a glass of scotch, please, hayen,

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Speaker 5: just two rocks in there. I don't my guys, we're

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Speaker 5: starting already. This is happening. Okay, just give me the

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Speaker 5: give me the glass, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 5: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer. We're threw

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Speaker 5: run now, just starting and dashing and dotting and veins

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Speaker 5: cutting clean. It's the most wonderful time to kill deer.

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Speaker 4: There's far too much is in this class. It's the half.

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Speaker 5: Happy seeds of all. There's gotta be at least twelve

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Speaker 5: cues with grunting and bleeding and cold fronts and sleeping

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Speaker 5: the last weeks of fun. It's the half happy seedsin

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Speaker 5: of all. There'll be pictures for posting and bragging and boasting,

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Speaker 5: and truck beds with big bucks in toe. There'll be

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Speaker 5: narrow misstories and tales of your glories of booner bucks missed.

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Speaker 4: With our bulls.

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Speaker 5: It's the most wonderful time to kill deer.

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Speaker 4: Not just one baby two. There'll be no dose.

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Speaker 5: Of blowing and boom and knocks glowing and blood trail

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Speaker 5: so clean. It's the most wonderful time to kill de.

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Speaker 4: Excuse me, Can I have a napkin? Please?

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Speaker 5: I just spilled some scotch on my loafers. I can't

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Speaker 5: have dirty loafers in the studio.

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Speaker 4: Thank you Tailgate beers for drinking.

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Speaker 5: And Big Bucks is slinking and chasing and sent jacking

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Speaker 5: does They'll be fighting and scraping and no more escaping

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Speaker 5: and arrowshot true hitting, Oh key change.

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Speaker 4: But no one told me that it's the most wonderful

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Speaker 4: time to kill deer. I was very unprepared for this.

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Speaker 5: There will be much morning sitting in cold fronts of

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Speaker 5: hitting the dawn kristin clean. It's the most wonderful time, Oh,

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Speaker 5: the most wonderful time. It's the most swamderful time to kilty.

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Speaker 4: There's too much ice in the glass. Two rocks.

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Speaker 5: It's that time of the year again. I'm back, Marcus Kenyon.

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Speaker 5: How are you your son of a gadwall? You look terrible.

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Speaker 5: I'm just kidding her, am I I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: I'm late.

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Speaker 5: I crashed my recumbent bicycle into the side of a

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Speaker 5: quiz nose and I know what you're thinking. I am

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Speaker 5: as sober as a newborn blue crab. I swear to

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Speaker 5: you this is just kombucha. I'm watching the gut health.

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Speaker 5: You gotta do it as you get older. And also,

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Speaker 5: I'm wearing this ankle bracelet that makes a beep beep

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Speaker 5: sound if I have a drop of the stuff also

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Speaker 5: alerts the authorities, who in turn alert my parole officer.

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Speaker 5: So there'll be none of that in the studio today,

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Speaker 5: I promise you. Let's get go.

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Speaker 1: Oh you're queuing it up already.

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Speaker 1: I thought we've learned a lesson this year, but I

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Speaker 1: guess nothing.

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Speaker 4: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: I love those beagy, big big white tails, those sneaky

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Speaker 6: run beagy big big white tails. I love those beachy

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Speaker 7: Big white tails, big white tails. Big white tails are great.

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Speaker 5: Hold, what fun it is to sit in the freezing

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Speaker 5: cold tree all day?

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Speaker 7: Big white tails, big white tails, big white tails are great?

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Speaker 5: Hold, what fun it is to sit in the freezing

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Speaker 5: cold tree all day? Dashing through the woods for the

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Speaker 5: morning light turns great across the fields and draws creep

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Speaker 5: in all the way climb into the tree. Big folks

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Speaker 5: are on the way. What fun he is to sit

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Speaker 4: Don deer all day? Oh big, I'm sorry? What is this?

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Speaker 4: Piscato strings? Who do you think? I am ya? Get

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Speaker 4: this out here. I don't want to hear it. Thank you?

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Speaker 7: Big white tails, big white tails, Big white tails are great.

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Speaker 7: Hold fun it is to sit in the freezing cold

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Speaker 4: I hope sand dreams are high the rut.

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Speaker 5: He's finally here, Mark said, it's the most wonderful time

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Speaker 5: to kill o whitetail deer bingch points and pettings.

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Speaker 4: Where you'll find me hang it' twenty feet.

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Speaker 5: In a tree, grunt tubes my bowl, inspector Cambo.

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Speaker 4: It's really campy.

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Speaker 5: Bea or two ago, I thought that this was fun,

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Speaker 4: That son of a but decided to come on.

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Speaker 6: Those peag BEI wat takes those sky run beagy be

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Speaker 6: big what takes? I love those beeg big up yah

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Speaker 4: I don't know why this is happening.

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Speaker 5: I swear to God, Oh officer, what seems to be

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Speaker 4: Oh this.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why this is happening. It must be

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Speaker 4: You don't know.

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Speaker 5: You don't need to smell that. That's just komboo cha

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Speaker 5: I okay, yes, you've got me. It's ever clear and pacific.

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Speaker 5: Kuli capri son. I am so so sorry.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why my life has brought me here.

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Speaker 4: Mark Marcus, I'm so sorry. Enjoy the rut or whatever.

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Speaker 2: All right, Welcome to the wire tunt podcast, brought to

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Speaker 2: you by First Light and today, my friends, if you

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Speaker 2: are listening to this when this podcast has just dropped,

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Speaker 2: it is officially sweet November. The Rut is here for

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Speaker 2: most of you across much of the country. And as

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Speaker 2: the middle of somewhere on some kind of hunting trip.

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Speaker 2: And my guest today is doing the same, not on

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Speaker 2: a hunting trip, but he's in the field. I'm joined

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Speaker 2: today by mister Andy May to help us do some

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Speaker 2: time for this.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, man, no problems should be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh, it's the greatest time of the year,

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Speaker 2: right are you? Are you ready for this? Are you

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Speaker 8: I am?

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Speaker 9: Man. Yeah, it's uh, it's always so exciting when when

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Speaker 9: November rolls around, because then you just that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 9: you always have a chance in November. You know, like

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Speaker 9: October is a little more, a little more detailed, a

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Speaker 9: You're trying to make kind of I always call them

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Speaker 9: it's more like a marathon and you're trying to be

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Speaker 2: So do you feel like when when November hits, is

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Speaker 2: I've actually been switching a little bit. I used to

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Speaker 2: I'm actually stressed out because now these deer are doing

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Speaker 2: So I have like a I'm excited, but it's a

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Speaker 9: I think if i'm you know, if I'm after like

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Speaker 9: be a little stressful. But when I'm after sorry about

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Speaker 9: that noise, When I'm after when I'm when I'm just

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Speaker 9: like the rut, you know, it's it's uh. When I

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Speaker 9: travel out of state, many times I like to go

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Speaker 9: It's a little more exciting. But yeah, it can certainly

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Speaker 9: good thing. And for guys that are like me, that

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00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 9: have like these little maybe they don't have extended amount

439
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 9: of time to put in your you're hunting.

440
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 8: An evening here, a morning there, or maybe you.

441
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 9: Got a midday here because you have your kids games

442
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 9: or whatever. I would not hesitate to get out there

443
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 9: at nine and getting a stand and sit till one

444
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 9: or two. I've done it many times, you know, just

445
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 9: trying to scratch and flaw for time, and uh it

446
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 9: pays off. Man. The more time you can be in

447
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 9: the tree anytime of day in November, you are going

448
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 9: to increase your chances.

449
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 8: And then use some common sense about where you're located.

450
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 9: You know, you don't want to sit in a food

451
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 9: source necessarily in the morning, maybe just off of it

452
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 9: if you can catch your kind of coming off, But

453
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 9: then that would be a really bad spot to sit

454
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 9: all day, yeah, you know, because you're probably not going

455
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 9: to get a lot of midday action there because all

456
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 9: the dos are back to bed Those are the spots

457
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 9: that are really gonna pay off, as you know, during

458
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 9: a midday sit, like travel between betting on the backside

459
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 9: of bedding, you know, with a wind advantage, getting into

460
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 9: that interior spots where you're you're kind of always afraid

461
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 9: to go in because you're gonna bump deer. But now

462
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 9: it's like it's time, the time to take those stabs,

463
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 9: take those chances, and you know they can pay off.

464
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I one hundred percent agree. I've found the

465
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: same thing. Those are the types of spots that I

466
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 2: would want to do this all day sits. I have

467
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: found like just like you said, like that last couple

468
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 2: hours of the day though, those deep back in the

469
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: betting air kind of spots can be pretty dead. So

470
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: if I can, if I have safe access, I will

471
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: try to bump out closer to where those dolls are

472
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: going to go feed for those evening sits, and usually

473
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: it's between two and three is.

474
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 3: When I would try to do that.

475
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: But if you can't get out of there without messing

476
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: things up, you know, if for some reason you would

477
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 2: have to be moving through you know, right where those

478
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: deer are betted now, or or you know, through the

479
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: transition area, and there's no way to safely do that,

480
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: then I will sacrifice the last hour or two, you know,

481
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: sticking back in the betting ear, just so I don't

482
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: blow it up, because you know it's worth it. For

483
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 2: the first seven, eight, nine, ten hours. You've got such

484
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: a good chance back in that area that if my

485
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: evening SIT's not amazing, that's okay. If I can't get

486
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 2: out there without messing it up for the next day.

487
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 9: I had this real quick story about something that almost

488
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 9: cost me a really big buck because I didn't have

489
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 9: the mental strength to sit all day. So it was

490
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 9: during the run. I can't remember the exact date. It

491
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 9: must have been like November. It was like around the

492
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 9: tenth or the twelfth. This was years ago. But I

493
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 9: was sitting in a stand and I was overlooking a river, bottom,

494
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 9: and I saw a buck with a dough, a hot dough, lockdown,

495
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 9: and they were they were way.

496
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 8: Off on this peninsula.

497
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 9: And I had a stand over there where if they

498
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 9: walk worked down the peninsula, they would walk right by it.

499
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 9: But they were way past that. They were a good

500
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 9: two hundred yards past that. And it was eleven o'clock

501
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 9: and I was like, you know what, I'm gonna get

502
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 9: down at midday and I'm going to make my way

503
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,040
Speaker 9: over there and get in that stand and sit the

504
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 9: rest of the day, you know, not what I was

505
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 9: four hundred yards of. Now I'm gonna be inside of

506
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,479
Speaker 9: eighty yards or inside of inside of you know, one

507
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 9: hundred yards of where they're at. So I get down

508
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 9: and I just decided like, oh, you know, they're they're

509
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 9: not gonna do much midday. You know, they're locked down.

510
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 9: She's probably betted. He's probably betted. There whe her, they're

511
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 9: not gonna move. So I walk back to my truck,

512
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 9: I have a sandwich, I lay back for a little bit,

513
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 9: I turn on, you know a little music, and I

514
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 9: just kind of shut my eyes for like fifteen minutes,

515
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 9: you know, fifteen twenty minutes, and I was like, ah, man,

516
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 9: I gotta get I gotta get back in there. Probably totally.

517
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 9: It ended up being like forty minutes. So I walk in,

518
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 9: I sneak in, and all of a sudden, I'm I'm

519
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 9: forty yards from the tree, and I hear deer get up,

520
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 9: and I'm thinking these are other deer and I hear

521
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 9: them kind of run off into the swamp.

522
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 8: Well, I make my way to the tree. I start

523
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 8: climbing up the tree and.

524
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 9: I have my lineman's bull down and I get about

525
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 9: halfway up the tree of where I where I'm intending

526
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 9: to get, and I see that buck in the dope.

527
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 9: They they had made their way through, and I bumped

528
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 9: them and they were they were looking around and they

529
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 9: didn't see me. I was just above like the cover.

530
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 9: So I had my bow on a on a rope.

531
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 9: I pulled it up with my lineman belt on, standing

532
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 9: on a limb.

533
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 8: And ended up ended up, Uh, ended up shooting that buck.

534
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Wow.

535
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 9: So I totally got lucky, almost flew it. But you know,

536
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 9: just that little window, that little tiny window where I

537
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 9: hesitated went back to the truck almost cost me. Where

538
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 9: if I would have been in that stand immediately, you know,

539
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 9: I probably would have had a cake shot, you know,

540
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 9: and uh.

541
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 8: Not alerted anything.

542
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 9: But I thought that was a good, good fitting example there.

543
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a perfect example.

544
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: So speaking of tough decisions during the rut, that being

545
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: in this case, whether to stay or to go go in.

546
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: Another one of those things that we've gotten a number

547
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: of questions on and something that I think a lot

548
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 2: of us think about is risk taking during the rut.

549
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: And one of the questions that I got here is

550
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 2: are you willing to hunt a risky wind during the rut?

551
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: And there was a second question very similar someone else said,

552
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: like does wind matter less during the rut? Because on

553
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: my twenty acre parcel I never seem to have the

554
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: just right wind. So is this the time now when

555
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 2: I can get risky with it and still, you know,

556
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: try to make the best of it.

557
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: What's your take on that?

558
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it is a time to risk. I

559
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 8: think you gotta. I think you have to think about

560
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 8: a lot of things.

561
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 9: If you're someone like me, someone like probably most the

562
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 9: listeners out there who work a job, probably have limited

563
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 9: vacation time, probably have some family obligations. You're not going

564
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 9: to be able to sit. You don't get a rut cation.

565
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 9: You know, you don't get a two week window or

566
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 9: three week window where you can hunt whenever you want.

567
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 9: You get your days, you get your windows. Maybe you

568
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 9: have some flexibility. But I gauge all that stuff, and

569
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 9: I I weigh that against you know, my ideas are where.

570
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 8: To sit my decisions and the risk factor.

571
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 9: If I think I'm going to have a limited time,

572
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 9: I'm looking at the forecast, I'm looking at the winds

573
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 9: moving forward, and it's like, oh man, you know this

574
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 9: is risky, but this might be my only shot, or

575
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 9: this might be my best shot.

576
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 8: I will I will risk more if I.

577
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 9: Have the whole rut to to play around with and

578
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 9: be maybe a little more patient.

579
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 8: I might wait.

580
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 9: What I don't want is like what I think is

581
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 9: a dead wrong wind. I don't want dead wrong. But

582
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 9: you know, if you're if you're if you're targeting something

583
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 9: specific like a dough betting area or something, or you're

584
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 9: you kind of know where the majority of the deer

585
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 9: bed during the day.

586
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 8: I don't want my my wind blowing in there all

587
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 8: day long.

588
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 9: You know, now, what I get on an edge and

589
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,239
Speaker 9: maybe I'm only clipping. You know, a portion of it

590
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 9: a very small portion or maybe a couple of deer

591
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 9: get me.

592
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 8: Maybe not. Yeah, you know that's.

593
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 9: Something I do that all the time, you know, you know,

594
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 9: just kind of trying to base that with the time

595
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 9: available maybe what I think I can get away with

596
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 9: time of year. You know. Another thing too, like I

597
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 9: always look at like the weather, and if I'm seeing

598
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 9: like a you know, a high pressure day. If I'm

599
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 9: seeing you know, thirty degree temperatures in the morning and

600
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 9: it's gonna warm up to fifty five. With a high

601
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 9: pressure blue bird day, I know that my thermals are

602
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 9: going to be really rising once that sun gets up,

603
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 9: you know that nine ten, nine o'clock.

604
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 8: So I'll be a little more risky on those days.

605
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 9: Then on a low pressure day where it's gonna hold

606
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 9: my my uh my scent kind of down, it's not

607
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 9: gonna rise my sense gonna you know, be more at

608
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 9: ground level, I'll be I'll be a little more picky

609
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 9: on those days. So if I think I'm gonna get

610
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 9: a scent advantage for a rising thermal, you know, especially

611
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 9: like in the hills or something, you get some elevation changes. Yeah,

612
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 9: like a lot of times I almost won't even care

613
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 9: about the wind. I just don't want it going down

614
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 9: to where I think the deer are going first thing

615
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 9: in the morning, and then I'm gonna rely on those thermals,

616
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 9: you know, for the majority of the day, and then

617
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 9: I may adjust, you know, later on in the day

618
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 9: to something that's with more of a dropping thermo or relocate.

619
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 9: But I'm I'm running through all of those things in

620
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 9: my head when I'm trying to make a decision. But

621
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 9: I've I've never done great on just a dead wrong wind.

622
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 9: But on the flip side, it is the rut. There's

623
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 9: many times I was targeting a specific buck during the

624
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 9: rut and I was sure he was gonna come out

625
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 9: of this area, and he ends up coming from a

626
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 9: completely opposite area.

627
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, So that that stuff can happen.

628
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 9: And then you get those random bucks that are just

629
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 9: passing through and you don't know where they're gonna where

630
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 9: they're coming from. And you always get those those uh,

631
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 9: you know, buck chasing a dole by your stand so

632
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 9: it can pay. You can go there with a dead

633
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 9: wrong wind and get it, get a crack at one,

634
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 9: but you're relying a little more on luck, and I

635
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 9: don't like to rely on luck.

636
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 8: I do want to put myself.

637
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 9: In in likely spots where bucks tend to gravitate towards

638
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 9: and I want a good wind, a good thermal. Most

639
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 9: of the time, I'm not going to be super risky

640
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 9: unless I'm uh, unless I'm just really limited on time.

641
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 9: But it's very rare that I'll I'll go out there

642
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 9: and hit like with just a dead wrong wind.

643
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you know.

644
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: The thing to think about with this a lot of

645
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 2: times is yes, like, if you're ever going to be

646
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: a little more risky, this is the time to do it.

647
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 2: But you still have to think about, like, what is

648
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: the scenario in which this could actually work? Like lots

649
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: of times when I'm thinking about where to set up

650
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: or what tree to pick out, or you know, where

651
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 2: I want to be, I try to envisionally, Okay, how

652
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: would this actually work, Like where could a deer actually

653
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: come through? What's the scenario in this actually what is

654
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: the scenario that leads to this being successful? And if

655
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm in there with a wind that I just can't

656
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 2: even envision a scenario in which this will really work,

657
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 2: even if it's a great place, even if it's man

658
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,720
Speaker 2: somewhere I've wanted to hunt all year, and I've waited

659
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: and waited and waited, and gosh, I want to get

660
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: in this so bad, and it's November seventh, it's the

661
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: right day, and it's the end of my trip. But

662
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 2: if I sit there and I think to myself, like,

663
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: even though I really want to be in there, if

664
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: I look at what the wind's doing, and if I

665
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: sit through and walk through, Okay, what's the hypothetical spots

666
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: this deer could come from? And man, if there's no

667
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 2: way it could realistically work out, like you can't wish

668
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: it to work, so I.

669
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Will.

670
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 2: Still you still have to like put on your real

671
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: world glasses. As much as you want to have like

672
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: the rut fantasy, you also have to say, okay, like

673
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: what's the real chance of this working? And maybe if

674
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: you were to get off of that magic spot by

675
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: fifty yards, now all of a sudden the wind can

676
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: work and you can still be close to the best

677
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: of the best places. But at least now there's like

678
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: a real set of possible scenarios in which deer can

679
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: come through and not wind you. But if the deer,

680
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: if every deer that's going to come into that magic

681
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: X is gonna get your wind, what's the point of

682
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: being there? So I think you know someone has to

683
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: think that through too. So yes, this is the time

684
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: to be risky, but it's not the time to be thoughtless.

685
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: It's not the time to be careless and imagine that

686
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 2: the wind won't still.

687
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: Have an effect.

688
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 2: It will still have an effect, but you just might

689
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 2: have You're gonna have more opportunities for forgiveness. You're gonna

690
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 2: have more opportunities where you know, they'll be crazy things

691
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: going on, like deer doing things you're not expecting. So

692
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: it's it's a balancing act, that's for sure. But you

693
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: said something else, andy that I think is worth spending

694
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: a little time on, which is, you know, the fact

695
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: that some deer are gonna get down wind, like you're

696
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 2: gonna like, we'll haunt a spot where the wind's gonna

697
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: clip a part of a betting air or something. So

698
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: that's not perfect, but you know it's in the real world.

699
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: You have to sometimes do that, right. And you and

700
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 2: I were texting the other day about you know, how

701
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 2: often do deer actually get down wind of us?

702
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 3: You know how often does that happen?

703
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: And I think if you were to just watch, you know,

704
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: hunting TV shows, especially like the folks have got the

705
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 2: big managed properties and they hunt from their blinds and

706
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff all the time. You might

707
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: think that a deer should never get down wind of

708
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: view ever, and that these people never get winded, and

709
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 2: that if you're going to kill a deer, you can

710
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: never get winded eat and you can never blow your

711
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: scent anywhere there's deer, and if you do, you're doomed.

712
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,720
Speaker 2: That might be the impression you could get from watching

713
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: some of these TV shows. I think it's important to

714
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 2: note that that is not the case in the real world,

715
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: right Andy, I mean, I think I sat down and

716
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 2: I tried to think through like and just my this

717
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: this season's hunts, Like, how many times did I have

718
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: deer come down wind of me despite the fact that

719
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying really hard to minimize that. You just can't

720
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: hunt many places in the real world unless you have

721
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: like a very very very well manicured design property in

722
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: which some deer won't get down whin of you. I

723
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: think you just have to minimize it. You have to

724
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: be smart about it, you have to pick your spots,

725
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: but you always have to give up something like, if

726
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to push into a spot where I think

727
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 2: I can kill something, I'm probably gonna have to give

728
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: something else up. And I want it to be as

729
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: minimal as possible, and I want to be as smart

730
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: as possible. But there are very few perfect deer deserts

731
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: in a regular uncontrolled situation where you're hunting by permission,

732
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: properties and things like that. I mean, I think what

733
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 2: I told you is that I went through and looked

734
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: through like all my hunts this season, and on fifty

735
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: percent of my hunts, I could say for sure deer

736
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: got downwind to me fifty percent of my hunts. And

737
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 2: that is despite me being as careful as I possibly could,

738
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: being smart about it, and actively knowing like, hey, I

739
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: know I'm going to have deer downwind to me here,

740
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: but this is the very fewest number of deer or

741
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: the lowest likelihood type situation that I can get away with.

742
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 3: What would you agree with that?

743
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean that's what prompted that question when I

744
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 9: sent it to you. Like I swear pretty much, it

745
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 9: feels like every hunt I've been on this year, deer

746
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 9: have gotten down wind to me, and a lot of

747
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 9: that has been.

748
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 8: Due to shifting winds I've had.

749
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 9: It's been a really strange year for me as far

750
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 9: as like the forecasted wind and then you get that

751
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 9: a little bit, but then you're getting some really odd

752
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 9: ball winds in there, like it's supposed to be southwest,

753
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 9: and then I'm getting, you know, the kind of sucked

754
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 9: backs to the east, you know, or it gets down

755
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 9: a prime time that wind really dies down and starts

756
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 9: blowing to the north, you know, the complete opposite. That

757
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 9: stuff has been happening to me, like it seems like

758
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 9: every hunt. But yeah, I mean all the time deer

759
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 9: getting down WINDO me. Is as hard as I try,

760
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 9: it's going to happen. And I think you're right. You know,

761
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 9: a lot of that stuff you see on TV is

762
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 9: it's just not relatable, you know, it's not relatable to

763
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 9: the average guy. It's not real to the average guy.

764
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 9: So we we can only look at that for what

765
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 9: it is, and it's just entertainment, that's all it is.

766
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 9: You know, you can't even really listening to the advice

767
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 9: of a lot of those guys. Maybe some stuff on

768
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 9: deer behavior, but as far as tactic stuff, it anymore,

769
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 9: like I've caught on it goes in one year run

770
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 9: out the other. It's it's not anything I can apply

771
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 9: most times, and it's not anything that's super relatable. I mean,

772
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 9: you might be able to pick out a few nuggets there,

773
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 9: but I think it's important to mention that for the

774
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 9: new guys that are coming out, because that's what they're

775
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 9: seeing on on TV. But yeah, you know, I'm trying

776
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 9: to always trying to minimize disturbance. I have my wind

777
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 9: a lot of times going to where deer shouldn't go,

778
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 9: but they do. You know, here in Michigan, you have

779
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 9: a lot of spots I hunt have a fairly high

780
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 9: deer density, you know. And yes, you're you're maybe targeting

781
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 9: the main the main betting areas you know, and and

782
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 9: the main food sources, and you have your wind in

783
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 9: your favor, But then you got all these satellite deer

784
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 9: that are betting over here and over here, and then

785
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 9: they're traveling a different way, and you can't account for

786
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 9: everyone because there's just too many of them. I get

787
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 9: winded far lest when I hunt Ohio there's less deer.

788
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 9: And then another thing too, once you get into a

789
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 9: pressured setting and you hunt a pressured state, and I

790
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 9: think Dan Johnson experienced this when he came to Michigan,

791
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 9: and he's like, I get it now. He's like, the

792
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 9: deer exit the betting area is looking for people. They look,

793
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,959
Speaker 9: they're looking up, they're traveling in ways to scent check

794
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 9: areas where hunters typically are all the spots. I hunt

795
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 9: a very high percentage of them. That's how the does behave.

796
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 9: It's not always just a you know, unless you can

797
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 9: completely have a place to yourself and it's unpressured, which

798
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 9: you can create little pockets like that. These these deer

799
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 9: are moving very cautiously. They are on high alert from

800
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 9: the second they get up. They look like they're ultra

801
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 9: paranoid and they're looking over here and they hear us,

802
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 9: they hear a squirrel and they're looking over there, and

803
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 9: it's like they are so keyed up all the time.

804
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 8: It is really tough. And they get us.

805
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 9: A whiff of where you've been, where you where you are,

806
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 9: and they, especially the older dose, they they really key

807
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 9: in on that and they don't forget that and they

808
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 9: start to avoid it or they come check it out

809
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 9: and investigate.

810
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 8: And once you once they.

811
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 9: Have like a they have a little hint of that

812
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 9: you might be there or that you were there. Those

813
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 9: older doughs they come in and they investigate and they

814
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 9: get you. You know, they're when when they start looking

815
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 9: for you, they're gonna find you, and you know, and

816
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:34,760
Speaker 9: then it makes things really hard.

817
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 8: So you know, it's something.

818
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 9: We're battling all the time. I mean, I've been battling

819
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 9: with it, and you know, I've been getting winded like

820
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 9: every single hunt by by something and it's it's frustrating, man,

821
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 9: it's super frustrating. And you're you're kind of blowing up

822
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 9: the area. I think you can minimize that, Like you

823
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 9: said on the fringes, try to blow into dead areas,

824
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 9: and I probably tend to because I have less time

825
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 9: to hunt. I tend to dive in a little deeper

826
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 9: than most guys. I think some guys would see my

827
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 9: my sits and where I go and they're like, geez,

828
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 9: you know, like he's really getting in there, you know,

829
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 9: And I do because I know I'm not going to

830
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 9: have many stabs throughout the season, so I try to

831
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 9: make those sits count.

832
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 8: That's partially it.

833
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 9: You know, I'm partially taking a little more risk there,

834
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 9: but also I'm choosing to do that because the time

835
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 9: available and what I'm trying to accomplish on that particular hunt.

836
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, I'm in.

837
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 4: Agreement with you.

838
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 9: I mean, it's just it's just it happens. You just

839
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 9: try to minimize it.

840
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 2: And you know, I was going to add, I think

841
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: I can speak for you. You tell me if I'm getting

842
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 2: this wrong. But from you know everything I've heard and

843
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 2: seen from from the way you hunt, Andy, Yes, you

844
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: push into places and make those aggressive pushes because you

845
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: have to, given your time and what you're trying to do.

846
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 2: But at the same time, you're not stuck with just

847
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 2: one spot to do that. So it's not like you

848
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 2: aggressively push into the same spot over and over and

849
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: over and over again every weekend. And you've got all

850
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: sorts of different places, so you can do an aggressive

851
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: strike here today, and then you can do an aggressive

852
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 2: strike next week and a different property, and then the

853
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 2: next day you can hunt a piece of public and

854
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 2: then the next weekend you go to.

855
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: Some different place.

856
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: So it's not like you're destroying places and hunting dead

857
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: spots because of all that aggression. You're you're moving on

858
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: and hunting different locations smartly. Despite that aggression because you

859
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: have that you know, array of locations that you can

860
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: do this on, right.

861
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 8: Yeah for sure.

862
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, and uh, you know, on a spot where you know,

863
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 9: maybe a lease or maybe you own a small chunk,

864
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 9: you know, maybe you can you can rely on when

865
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 9: you're not there, it's not getting blown up by other guys,

866
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 9: and you have that time. Yeah, I would, Uh, I would.

867
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 9: I would hunt it a little different, you know, I

868
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 9: would hunt it. You know, say you did have a

869
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 9: small piece. It doesn't even have to be a highly

870
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 9: managed firm, just you own a small thirty acres or

871
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 9: an eighty acres or at least an eighty acres and

872
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 9: that's your spot.

873
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 3: You know.

874
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna be playing things a lot more cautious.

875
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 9: I'm gonna be hunting the fringes. My whole goal is

876
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 9: to not let deer see me, smell me, hear me.

877
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 9: But I'm trying to observe. I'm trying to scout. I'm

878
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 9: trying to you know, observe from a distance. Maybe check

879
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 9: some cameras midday here and there. But I'm trying to

880
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 9: let the season kind of materialize and capitalize on the

881
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 9: mistakes of the deer. You know, as they you know,

882
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 9: become more active, they cover more ground. You know, I

883
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 9: would hunt that different, and I do have spots that

884
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 9: have less pressure that I am more of a outside

885
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 9: in type hunter. It again, for me personally, it all

886
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 9: goes back to the time available. If I have the

887
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 9: time available, I'll sit back. I'll sit back, and I'll

888
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 9: wait and try to be a little more less aggressive

889
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 9: and try to maybe prolong that that season a little

890
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 9: bit and just wait for those bucks to make their

891
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 9: their mistake or other situations. It's like more of a

892
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 9: time crunch. I gotta make it happen, you know, in

893
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 9: the next four days. So I'm gonna really push, but

894
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 9: I don't. I'm not reckless by any means. I move

895
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 9: in when I think I can. Like today's seventy degrees,

896
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 9: if you were gonna say, Andy, Ory, could you go

897
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 9: out and get on a good buck today and maybe

898
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 9: get them killed?

899
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 8: Like you know, No, I'm not feeling super confident.

900
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 9: It's dry, it's crunchy, there's not a lot of wind,

901
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 9: it's uh, you know, it's seventy degrees. No, I'm not

902
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 9: gonna I'm not gonna go push and make some aggressive

903
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 9: sit that's very very low percentage. You know, I'd rather

904
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 9: wait till you get a little better conditions for something

905
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 9: like that.

906
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: So here's the follow up to that.

907
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: Another question someone submitted that's that's relevant to what we're

908
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 2: talking about here. So the question is when hunting small

909
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: property during the run. So let's say, like own a

910
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: small property thirty acres something like that, is it better

911
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: to hunt off freshly scouted sign so look for the

912
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: fresh hot stuff and hunt that, move around a bunch,

913
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 2: try to find that, or stick with historically good spots.

914
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: So I think this kind of goes to the general

915
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: theme of what we're talking here, is like, is do

916
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: you play a little bit more conservative and not bust

917
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 2: up your small property and hunt and trust in some

918
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,439
Speaker 2: safer but consistently in the past good spots or can

919
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: you move around? Can you aggressively try to find what's happening.

920
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: Right now and hunt that.

921
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: What would you do if you if you were in

922
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 2: that situation Andy and you, let's say you own thirty

923
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 2: you own a thirty acre piece, and these are the

924
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: two options you were considering, what would you say?

925
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, I think I think anytime you're you're really

926
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 9: uh pigeonholed into a small property like that. It pays

927
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 9: off to know that property well, know where the deer bed,

928
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 9: know where they travel, know the if there are some

929
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 9: like rout travel through there, some some doe betting where

930
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 9: you can get in and out and and just rely

931
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 9: on that, you know, kind of hunt, hunt the fringes,

932
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 9: or hunt those spots that were historically good because once

933
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 9: you once you learn that, there can be some changes

934
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 9: year to year, you know, depending on like crop rotation,

935
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 9: acorn crop, you know, food availability, maybe some surrounding pressure.

936
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 9: You got a neighbor hunting a side all of a

937
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 9: sudden that never you know was there. You know, those

938
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 9: things can come up and change, you know, change some things,

939
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 9: change some movement patterns. But if it's a thirty acre

940
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 9: piece or less, you know, and it's maybe it's super sensitive,

941
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 9: maybe there's some actual betting on there. You know, I'm

942
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 9: going to be sticking to those historically good spots during

943
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 9: the rut. That doesn't mean I'm not ready to go

944
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 9: if I observe something, you know, if I observe just

945
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 9: like that example I gave earlier, I'm up in a

946
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 9: spot that was a historically good spot, right there, and

947
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 9: I observe that that buck pin down with that dough

948
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 9: out in the marsh there, and I made the move.

949
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 8: So I'm ready to make the move.

950
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 9: I'm ready to move in on on an opportunity.

951
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 8: But I'm probably gonna I'm probably gonna, you.

952
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 9: Know, stick to those two three four spots on thirty

953
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 9: acres that are typically good during the rut. They're fairly

954
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 9: safe with this wind direction. And this spot's fairly safe

955
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 9: with this wind direction. And uh, you know, just put

956
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 9: in the time. You know, the rut, the rut is it.

957
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 9: You know, Hunting sign and hunting the rut don't always

958
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 9: go hand in hand. So like when I'm hunting early season,

959
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 9: you know, I'm trying to observe or I'm hunting signor

960
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 9: or information off a camera. You know, you go start

961
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 9: going through October, mid October, late October. Sign is really

962
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 9: popping up. Hunting on fresh sign during that though, is

963
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 9: extremely effective. Like right on sign, right on sign that

964
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 9: maybe is close to good betting. You see a big

965
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 9: track in a scrape, you look around, it's a good

966
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 9: security cover. You're like, Okay, I think he's coming from here.

967
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 9: This is a good spot. I got a really good

968
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 9: access here, I got good wind here. You're running this

969
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 9: stuff through your head. But then you start getting into November,

970
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 9: some of that red hot sign really starts to taper off.

971
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 9: Scrapes start to grow colder and colder. As you get

972
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 9: into November. You'll see them all torn up every single day,

973
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 9: you know, in late October, and then you'll see, like

974
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 9: November fifth, sixth, seventh, all of a sudden, there's leaves

975
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 9: in your scrapes, you know, And and that lets you

976
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 9: know that, okay, there. It doesn't mean they're gone, but

977
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 9: you might not find that fresh torn up sign. You

978
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,959
Speaker 9: still might and that lets you know that there's there's

979
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 9: probably one in there. They're probably moving through there. You know,

980
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 9: maybe there's some do betting there that they're keying in on.

981
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 9: But in a lot of places I've hun it. I

982
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 9: switched to hunting terrain. But I don't want just any terrain.

983
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 9: I don't want just a saddle. I don't want just

984
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 9: a pinch point. I want a pinch point or a

985
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 9: saddle or a bench or a travel hub that connects

986
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 9: a lot of things that bucks like, Yeah, you know,

987
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 9: dough betting a primary food source, you know, dough betting

988
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 9: over here, a good ridge over here that has a

989
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 9: lot of betting, and all these things can kind of

990
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 9: come together, you know, in one spot, and that's the spot.

991
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 8: Now you might go to that spot. There might not

992
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 8: be any sign.

993
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 9: It might be just a few trails at crisscross, or

994
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 9: or there might be like a hubscrape down there, or

995
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 9: there might be something that indicates us this is a

996
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 9: spot where a lot of things come together. But it

997
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 9: could it literally could just be one scrape. I've seen

998
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 9: that time and time again when I've hunted in Iowa.

999
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 9: I'll find these travel hubs coming off the hills or

1000
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 9: all these points dumped down in the same general area,

1001
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 9: and you just know, you look at it on a toepone,

1002
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 9: You're like, wow.

1003
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 8: You know, any buck that's on.

1004
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 9: This ridge wants to get to this ridge is gonna

1005
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 9: have to come down one of these few points. And

1006
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 9: then there's this ridge over here that has a point

1007
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 9: dumping down, and all these are traveling and coming down

1008
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 9: in the same area crisscrossing, and they can get to

1009
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 9: any of these ridges.

1010
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 8: That spot right there is the hub. That's the travel hub.

1011
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 9: That's where I'm gonna get a lot of deer coming

1012
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 9: through that general area and you go down there and

1013
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 9: you look and there's a big primary scrape there, very

1014
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 9: very common but not always. But you go down there

1015
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 9: and it's not It doesn't mean it's littered with sign.

1016
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 9: It might just be four or five six trails that

1017
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,399
Speaker 9: all pass through an eighty acre I'm sorry, an eighty

1018
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 9: yard span, you know, and that's where you want to be.

1019
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 8: You get on that down in.

1020
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 9: Side, you get a good consistent wind pattern, and those

1021
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 9: are the spots you sit all day. So I don't

1022
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 9: always need red hot sign during the rut, but I

1023
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 9: if i'm I might just be in spots that connect

1024
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 9: good things. And in those good things there's probably good

1025
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 9: sign like good dough, good dough sign, you know, good

1026
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 9: feeding sign, lots of you know, deer activity, but you

1027
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 9: don't I'm not necessarily always in a spot that has

1028
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 9: red hot sign during the rut.

1029
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, another thing to be to remember

1030
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: during that time period is that some red hot sign,

1031
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: you know, laid down at that time of year does

1032
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: not indicate anything about the future, right, Like, there will

1033
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: be deer passing through places, like a buck cruising through

1034
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 2: his zone, and he might lay down a big scrape

1035
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: and he might never pass through there again. So so

1036
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll see sign you know that that does indicate like, okay,

1037
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 2: bucks are doing something here for a reason. But if

1038
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 2: you see a random scrape or a random rub in

1039
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: a place and you can't say why that's happening there,

1040
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 2: Like if you if you come to a spot like

1041
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: you're describing where you've got all these points dropping down

1042
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 2: and they all you find this convergence of features and

1043
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: you see you think to yourself, okay, why why would

1044
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: deer come through here? Well, it's because of this thing

1045
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: and this thing, this thing, everything's converging here at this hub.

1046
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 3: That makes a lot of sense.

1047
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: If I see sign there, I can say like, oh, okay,

1048
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 2: I understand what's happening and why this sign is here,

1049
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 2: and this makes a whole lot of.

1050
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 3: Sense to hunt.

1051
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 2: But if you find a big rub or a scrape

1052
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 2: in i don't know, on a field edge or in

1053
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: the middle of a big, wide open timber and there's

1054
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: no terrain feature, there's no topography, there's no edge, there's

1055
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 2: nothing that explains to you like why this should make sense.

1056
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 2: Don't be fooled by that, because a buck could be

1057
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 2: chasing a random dough on November seventh, and then stop

1058
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 2: for half a second, rip up a scrape while another

1059
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 2: buck comes in, and then off he goes, and then

1060
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: you're off to the races. So got to remember, like

1061
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 2: to your point, sign in October is very different than

1062
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: sign in November. And so you know, I would agree

1063
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: with your assessment of the small property situation. I would

1064
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,839
Speaker 2: probably be more on the conservative side because you can

1065
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 2: blow up a small property so quickly, and if you

1066
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: have those spots that you know produce consistently because of

1067
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,840
Speaker 2: a terrain feature, a habitat feature, you know, that's the

1068
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 2: kind of thing that will work year after year as

1069
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: long as there hasn't been some big change. But I

1070
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: would just preface that, or I guess qualify that if

1071
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: you're hunting in small property and you're new to it, right,

1072
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: then it doesn't pay to be.

1073
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: Super conservative all the time.

1074
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 2: If you've got a short period of time and you

1075
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: don't know the property at all, you know, just playing

1076
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: it super safe your whole vacation because it's small might

1077
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: not be the right approach, right. You got to know it.

1078
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: You have to know what you're working with. So if

1079
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 2: you've never been able to scout it before. If this

1080
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: is a piece that you got permission on, let's say,

1081
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: and you're shown up for a week vacation in the

1082
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: rut maybe and like this is the property you want

1083
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: to hunt, you know, don't go tiptoeing around and never

1084
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 2: take the time to go learn the thing, because blowing

1085
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 2: up for one day even a small proper at least

1086
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 2: in my opinion, Maybe I'm wrong on this, but I

1087
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: would like to learn a property in half a day

1088
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: or a midday or one day, knowing that I'm going

1089
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: to put some pressure on it. If that gives me

1090
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 2: six days or four days in which.

1091
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 3: I actually know what I'm doing. I want to know

1092
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. I know, I want to know what's happening.

1093
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: So if you don't have that already, you got to

1094
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 2: figure that out rather than just blindly sitting and hoping

1095
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: something will happen.

1096
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 4: You know.

1097
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, And a lot of times uh not all it

1098
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 9: depends on how the property sits up and what's there.

1099
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 8: And a lot of times I've hunted.

1100
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 9: Many properties where I would go and check for sign

1101
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 9: multiple times a week, even small properties, but I'm checking

1102
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 9: them in areas that aren't alerting deer maybe it's a

1103
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 9: field edge, you know, with a lot of scrapes, and

1104
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 9: I can check tracks, and I'll go out there two

1105
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 9: three times a week because maybe I'm after a specific

1106
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 9: book or I want to know, you know, when the

1107
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,240
Speaker 9: spot heats up, maybe I wasn't as familiar with that spot.

1108
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 8: And I'll go out there and I'll check. I'm abe,

1109
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 8: I'll check a camera.

1110
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 9: I'm out there, I'm looking and all these All of

1111
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 9: a sudden, the scrapes are are are opened up, and

1112
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,280
Speaker 9: I look and there's some big tracks in there. Okay,

1113
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 9: now I'm in a spot where it's not alerting deer.

1114
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 9: You know, I'm able to I'm able to walk this

1115
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,399
Speaker 9: without blowing the whole property out.

1116
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 8: But I picked up signed. Now I'm going to relate that.

1117
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 9: Back to what I know about the property, where the

1118
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 9: betting areas is, where the funnels are, where I can

1119
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 9: get in and out, and maybe that tells me it's

1120
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 9: time to hunt. Not necessarily hunt on that sign, but

1121
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 9: it's telling me like now's the time to go.

1122
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, I've had that happen, and.

1123
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 9: I want to make one I want to make one

1124
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 9: comment too about the uh you know when I mentioned

1125
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 9: you know, hunting red hot sign in the rut doesn't

1126
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 9: always go hand in hand, you know, like that spot

1127
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 9: that I uh that I mentioned where a lot of

1128
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 9: stuff converges, a lot of travel converges into one general

1129
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 9: area and there's a scrape down there. I've I've found

1130
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 9: spots like this all across the Midwest, and they're always

1131
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 9: good spots. You just got to hunt them with the

1132
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 9: right wind and you got to have good access. And

1133
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 9: sometimes when you get down, depending on what it is,

1134
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 9: sometimes you get down in those bottoms and it can

1135
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,919
Speaker 9: be tough. But a lot of times you can get

1136
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 9: the right situation where you can get a consistent wind.

1137
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 9: But those there's a there's a lot of times there's

1138
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 9: some sort of sign, some sort of primary scrape in

1139
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 9: these areas where a lot of things, a lot of

1140
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 9: travel comes together, a lot of scent pools together. It's

1141
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 9: because those areas draw bucks. Bucks can gather a ton

1142
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 9: of information from one spot, and I like to look

1143
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 9: for spots like that during the run. I like to

1144
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 9: hunt spots that where bucks can gather a lot of

1145
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 9: information efficiently without traveling across this field and over here

1146
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 9: and through this funnel and checking this. But they can

1147
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 9: grab all that information in one spot. And that's something

1148
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 9: that mature bucks do a lot, a lot of times.

1149
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 9: There is a big primary scrape there beause they get

1150
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 9: down there, they get all fired up. They scrape and yes,

1151
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 9: that's opened up, you know, the third week of October,

1152
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 9: late October, November second, third, fourth, fifth, it's like torn up.

1153
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 9: You got a camera on it. You're getting buck after

1154
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 9: buck after buck, and then all of a sudden you

1155
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 9: go in there to hunt and it's November seventh or eighth,

1156
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 9: and there's leaves covering the scrape and you're like, oh, man,

1157
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 9: it's dead. It's not dead. They're just not tending the

1158
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 9: scrape anymore. That scrape is there for a reason, and

1159
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 9: those bucks are still working through there. They're just not

1160
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 9: coming and working the scrape. They're covering more, they're covering

1161
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 9: more ground, they're scent checking more, they're laying down less

1162
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 9: sign So just because it's not red hot, because it's

1163
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 9: not open, doesn't mean it's not a good spot. That

1164
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 9: big eighteen point I killed in Iowa a few years ago. Man,

1165
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 9: I had a camera on that scrape, and I had

1166
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 9: I don't know eight nine ten different nice books on

1167
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 9: that all through like mid October through like November second

1168
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 9: or third, it really started to die off. And when

1169
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 9: I pulled that card, I was like it was like

1170
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,479
Speaker 9: boom boom boom, boom boom. You know, all these days

1171
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 9: there's shooter Bucks in there. And then it started dying off,

1172
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 9: you know, as he got into November. And then I

1173
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 9: went in there and the scrape was like had leaves

1174
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 9: all over it. Well, I said, in there because it

1175
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 9: had a lot of things. It was a down inside

1176
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 9: of bedding. It was three travel routes come, three really

1177
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 9: good travel routes coming from bed to feed that all

1178
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 9: paralleled each other over like a two hundred yard area,

1179
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 9: and it just you know, bucks like to cross section

1180
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 9: those and they like to travel down one side of

1181
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 9: dough betting. And I'm sandwiched between a major betting area

1182
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 9: and a major food source. So I had a lot

1183
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 9: of things and it had a good primary scrape there.

1184
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 9: I sat there, I saw four bucks, uh, four bucks,

1185
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 9: two shooter Bucks the first morning before I shot my

1186
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 9: h before I shot my buck, all traveling through there.

1187
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 9: Not one of them, not one of them came and

1188
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 9: worked the scrape. Yeah, but they were they were sent

1189
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 9: checking the scrape. You know, they were sent checking it

1190
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 9: because dose would still go by the scrape and they'd

1191
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 9: you know, kind of stand in it or walk by it.

1192
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 9: But that area had several things that bucks look for

1193
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 9: during the run. They could gather a lot of information

1194
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 9: in like a you know, in like a fifty like

1195
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 9: one hundred yard wide circle, not even that, like an

1196
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 9: eighty yard wide circle. They could gather a lot of

1197
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 9: information in that spot. So even though the sign had

1198
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 9: had tapered down, the buck activity was still off the charts.

1199
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 9: They're still moving through there, they're just not working the scrape.

1200
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:10,479
Speaker 9: So you got to keep that in mind.

1201
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great it's a great reminder. I want

1202
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 2: to shift our shift to more of a rapid fire

1203
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 2: style here and to knock us more questions before we

1204
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: wrap this up. So let's do like we get like

1205
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: thirty seconds to answer or less like quick first thought

1206
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 2: on each one of these, and we're gonna try and

1207
01:01:28,840 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: knock out a bunch here to kind of put a

1208
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,720
Speaker 2: bow on this, because there's way more questions that we

1209
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: have time to get through unless we do rapid fire here.

1210
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: So let's try to do that a few of these.

1211
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 2: So I got a couple questions here about calling, I'll

1212
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 2: just combine them into what's your go to rut calling approach?

1213
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 2: And then how often do you do that? So real quick,

1214
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: what's your take on that.

1215
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 9: I don't mind calling during the rut, I call way less.

1216
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 9: In Michigan in a pressured area, I think it can

1217
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 9: work really well on year and a half year old Bucks,

1218
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 9: two year old Bucks, and three year old Bucks. I

1219
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 9: have not had the greatest success calling in you know,

1220
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 9: four year old bucks or older. In Michigan. I think

1221
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 9: they've seen it way too many times. I think they're

1222
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 9: super educated. I would probably give that same advice in

1223
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 9: any high pressure state. However, I've had awesome luck with

1224
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 9: it in Iowa, in Illinois, Kentucky, you know states like that.

1225
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 9: Ohio even I've had much better luck with it there.

1226
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:40,959
Speaker 8: I always carry a grunt tube.

1227
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 9: I always carry a rattle, and I'm pretty good with

1228
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 9: a mouth snort, wheeze.

1229
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 8: I'm not afraid to do it. I'm not a huge

1230
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,520
Speaker 8: blind caller.

1231
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 9: Unless I'm in a state and I'm just not seeing

1232
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 9: the activity. Things maybe are a little slow. It's not

1233
01:02:57,120 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 9: my favorite thing to do, but I'm not a afraid

1234
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 9: to do it.

1235
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 8: It can definitely work.

1236
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 9: And I'll do it maybe maybe when the action's a

1237
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 9: little slow, or I see a buck, you know, cruising

1238
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 9: looks like he's in the mood. I'm in a good

1239
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 9: situation where I call, you know, a good approach for him,

1240
01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 9: then then I'll throw.

1241
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 8: It at him.

1242
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 9: But I don't do a ton of I know a

1243
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 9: lot of guys will will rattle like every thirty seconds, or.

1244
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 8: I don't really do the seconds.

1245
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say I am very similar. I'd never

1246
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: blind call in Michigan, and I almost I mean, I

1247
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 2: would basically say I never rattle in Michigan. Either I

1248
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: will grunt or snort wheeze if there's a buck out

1249
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: of range I'm trying to bring in. And then in

1250
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 2: those unpressured states Iowa, Kansas, whatever out there, I will

1251
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: occasionally do a blind rattling session. But even then, like

1252
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 2: that'll be like late morning kind of thing. I might

1253
01:03:59,640 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 2: try that, and might try that like twice, maybe separated

1254
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: by an hour or something like that.

1255
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 3: But I don't do a whole lot of that.

1256
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 2: But I very much will grunt and snort wheeze at

1257
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 2: deer and or you know, would rattle to deer out

1258
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: of range in those kinds of states too. I have

1259
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 2: had a lot of luck with grunts and snore wheezes.

1260
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: That's been my most effective calling technique at this time

1261
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,919
Speaker 2: of year. You know, first start with like a contact grunt,

1262
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: Like so if I see a buck one hundred and

1263
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: fifty yards away or something, I'll try up bra and

1264
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 2: just get louder until I see he's actually heard it.

1265
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 3: And if I can get a.

1266
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 2: Visual of him in which he turns and like one

1267
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,120
Speaker 2: percent has heard my thing, then I won't call. I'll

1268
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 2: I'll stop as soon as I know he heard me,

1269
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 2: And then I'm assessing his body language, and you know,

1270
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: if he starts coming my way, then I'm done.

1271
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: I'm not going to call anymore. Nothing else.

1272
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 2: If that buck seems interested, maybe pins his ears back

1273
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 2: and takes a few steps, makes a scrape, but then

1274
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 2: kind of starts heading off into the direction again, like

1275
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: he gave me a little bit of an interest, but

1276
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 2: not all the way. Then that might be when I

1277
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 2: give him a you know, flipping the bird by giving

1278
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: him that snort wheeze, I'm like, really, I get them

1279
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 2: fired up, just one not tired, and sometimes that works.

1280
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 2: So that would be my one other thing to add

1281
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: on the rut calling next question is about snacks andy

1282
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: for all they sits healthy food or junk food.

1283
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 9: I usually have a water I usually have about fifteen

1284
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 9: gummy bears.

1285
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 8: That's very specific, Yes it is.

1286
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 3: I'll do.

1287
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 8: I'll do like.

1288
01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 9: I'll do like uh five, you know, like a little

1289
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 9: handful three times a day, and then I'll do I

1290
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 9: usually have a big ziplock of trail mix and maybe

1291
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 9: a like a granola bar or a protein bar. I

1292
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 9: keep it, I keep it very minimal. I'll if i'm

1293
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 9: if i feel like I'm gonna be really hungry, I'll

1294
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 9: stack up more on the trail mix.

1295
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 8: Occasionally maybe a peanutrey jelly.

1296
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 9: But I don't.

1297
01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 8: I don't even do that that much. But uh, I don't.

1298
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 8: I don't.

1299
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 9: Don't. I try not to eat a ton or have

1300
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 9: a ton of snacks, and I don't. I don't like

1301
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 9: to be moving around and making noise and stuff. But

1302
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 9: I have to eat something, and my blood sugar tends

1303
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 9: to fall a little low, and that's that's why I

1304
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 9: do the gummy bears.

1305
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, but I don't.

1306
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 4: I don't.

1307
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 9: I don't take a bunch of chunk typically, but that

1308
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 9: doesn't mean I don't eat a bunch of junk food

1309
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 9: during hunting season, because I definitely do.

1310
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 2: So I'm a little different than you in that I

1311
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: do bring a lot of stuff because I just know myself,

1312
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 2: like I need, like I time out my snacks to

1313
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 2: like every hour. I'll give myself that little thing to

1314
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: be excited about. So I'll usually start snack time like

1315
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 2: if it's an all day sit, my snack time usually

1316
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: starts like ten am maybe, and then I'll do like

1317
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 2: every hour from then, I've got some little thing to

1318
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 2: look forward to. So I know, like, all right, I

1319
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:50,800
Speaker 2: got the little snickers bar ten and then if I

1320
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: can make it to eleven, I know I can have

1321
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 2: the you know, the trail mix, And if I can

1322
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 2: make it to noon, then I get my peanut butter jelly.

1323
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: And if I can make it to one, then I'll

1324
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: get my apple. And if I can make it to two,

1325
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: then I'll let myself have the cheese.

1326
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 3: Crackers or whatever. So I do bring a bunch of snacks.

1327
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: But what I try to do now is I take

1328
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: everything out of the noisy wrappers ahead of time and

1329
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 2: package them in reusable ziploc bags and so I like

1330
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: the reusable ziplocks. Not I don't always do this, but

1331
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:21,919
Speaker 2: when I'm on top of my A game, I.

1332
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 3: Use those because they're very quiet.

1333
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,439
Speaker 2: They're not like crinkly at all, so they're like very

1334
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 2: silent and you can have, you know, you can access

1335
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 2: your snacks in a quiet way, and then you're also

1336
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: not accumulating, you know, a whole bucket full of trash

1337
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: throughout the day, which is nice. And I do a

1338
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: mixture of like healthy and junk. So I used to

1339
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: be heavier on the junk. I've tried to add more

1340
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 2: like some fruits and something healthy in there, because after

1341
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: you do that for a week or so, you'll start

1342
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 2: feeling really creddy.

1343
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,040
Speaker 3: If it's nothing but junk.

1344
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of in between on that one. Here's

1345
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 2: another location related one, and we've talked a lot about

1346
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 2: bedding areas. This person asked, when you're hunting downwind of

1347
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,479
Speaker 2: a dough betting are, how close do you actually want

1348
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: to be on it? Like are you inside the dough

1349
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 2: betting are on the down wind side or are you

1350
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 2: outside of the dough betting downwind of it? And if so, like,

1351
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: what's the distance to the edge of that cover or

1352
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: the edge of wherever you think the doughs are betted.

1353
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 3: How do you think about that?

1354
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's a that's a tough one because it you know,

1355
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 9: it could vary, you know, location of location. You know,

1356
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 9: I picture like like a creek bottom that has you know,

1357
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 9: red brush and and kind of marsh marshy habitat like

1358
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 9: on each side of the creek, and you know, essentially

1359
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:46,679
Speaker 9: the whole creek serves as you know, like really good

1360
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 9: dough betting, you know, on all the creek bends and

1361
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 9: and all the little thickets and stuff. And I will

1362
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 9: I'll get on the interior of that, I'll find obviously,

1363
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 9: I'll find a good tree, and I try to get

1364
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 9: where I can kind of shoot into where I think

1365
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 9: i'll out of the travel is.

1366
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 3: Going to be.

1367
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 9: But I don't want I don't want my wind necessarily

1368
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 9: blowing out a lot of travel opportunities behind me. It's

1369
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 9: not like doe betting isn't always like a like a

1370
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 9: hard edge, you know what I mean.

1371
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 8: It's a lot of times you just know.

1372
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 9: You're you're kind of working in there, and things get

1373
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 9: a little thicker, and there might be a pocket of

1374
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 9: doze here and then some more, you know, one hundred

1375
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:28,680
Speaker 9: yards back or so. It's not as always like as

1376
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 9: a well defined abrupt edge as it might sound like

1377
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 9: when we say that. So a lot of it is

1378
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 9: a feel thing, but I try to I try to

1379
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 9: get where I can cover travel, and a lot of times,

1380
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 9: a lot of times there will be you know, some

1381
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 9: sort of sign or some sort of you know, perpendicular trail.

1382
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 9: It may not be beat to the ground, it may

1383
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 9: not be it may be be able to pick up

1384
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 9: on it, and sometimes you can't because it's just used

1385
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 9: a few times a year, you know, during that short window.

1386
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 9: But I don't like to give up too much travel

1387
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 9: behind me, if that makes sense. So I will get

1388
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 9: into usually where it starts to kind of thicken up,

1389
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 9: you know, I feel like I'm getting into that interior,

1390
01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 9: and if I start getting in any further, I'm gonna

1391
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,360
Speaker 9: start bumping deer around. That usually tells me to hold

1392
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,760
Speaker 9: up and kind of get get right on there, right

1393
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 9: on that edge. Sometimes it's a feel thing, sometimes it's

1394
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 9: a visual thing, but that that kind of I let

1395
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 9: my instincts gauge a little bit there. If there's not

1396
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 9: like a clear indication of sign, that tells me, you know,

1397
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 9: this is probably where I need to be. But one

1398
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 9: thing I'll mention real quick. The downwind side of doll

1399
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 9: betting is an area that Bucks will gravitate to during

1400
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 9: the run, no doubt about it. But I've seen more

1401
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 9: and more over the years that the side where does

1402
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 9: tend to travel from food to bed, there's you know

1403
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 9: a lot of times if there's a distinct you know,

1404
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 9: food source and there the general travels from here to

1405
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 9: through the betting. That spot, that edge there where they

1406
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,839
Speaker 9: travel in and out where a lot of those trails

1407
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 9: might be coming in from, you know, various spots, various

1408
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 9: uh directions. That spot gets a lot more, It gets

1409
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,559
Speaker 9: a lot of activity from Bucks, maybe even more so

1410
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 9: than the down wind side. They can they can take

1411
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:35,719
Speaker 9: a one trail perpendicular and they can cover you know, two, three, six,

1412
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 9: twelve different entrance trails and know exactly what's in that

1413
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 9: no betting, and they can do the same thing traveling

1414
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 9: from down winning. But I've seen it more and more

1415
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 9: over the years, I've almost changed my opinion a little

1416
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 9: bit that that might even be the better spot, the

1417
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 9: spot where they can go perpendicular and cover a lot

1418
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 9: of trails. So if you have a good betting area

1419
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 9: and a good food source over here, and in that

1420
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 9: betting area, maybe it's a one hundred yard two hundred

1421
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 9: yard stretch and there are multiple trails kind of going in.

1422
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 5: You see.

1423
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 9: You know, this one's well beat down. This one's a

1424
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 9: little more faint, another beat down one there, another one

1425
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,599
Speaker 9: in the corner that inside that timber you know are

1426
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 9: inside that cover there there, there's gonna be a some

1427
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:21,479
Speaker 9: sort of route perpendicular trail. You may it may be visible,

1428
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 9: it may not be, But that spot right there is

1429
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 9: a great spot to be that. I've seen that over

1430
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 9: and over the last few years. I've really started to

1431
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 9: key in more on that than necessarily the down one side.

1432
01:12:33,439 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's that.

1433
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's the same kind of like transition

1434
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:40,639
Speaker 2: type area that a lot of folks would hunt during

1435
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,559
Speaker 2: that bed to feed pattern of October. But now, you know,

1436
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,479
Speaker 2: the Dose are still basically doing the same thing, right,

1437
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 2: Dose are still basically on that bed to feed pattern,

1438
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 2: transitioning out to that food source. But now instead of

1439
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 2: the Bucks doing that same thing, like you said, they're

1440
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: not paralleling that movement anymore. They're perpendicularing it, crossing it

1441
01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 2: to catch.

1442
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 3: All those So you're spot on.

1443
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 2: That's a very good point, and that kind of that's

1444
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: a situation where you can get that kind of location

1445
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 2: is a best of both worlds for an all they

1446
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 2: sit where we talked about the beginning. How if you're

1447
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 2: hunting down one of a die betting area, that could

1448
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 2: be great in the morning, in the afternoon, but then

1449
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: once you get to the evening when they transition out

1450
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 2: to their food source, that spot can kind of die

1451
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 2: off in some locations when you're deep back in the bedding. Well,

1452
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:27,600
Speaker 2: if you find a spot like this where you're adjacent

1453
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 2: to bedding, but you're also where they are transitioning through

1454
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 2: as they head to that main food source, that's the

1455
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 2: kind of place that does stay pretty darn primo right

1456
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: on through. So it's it's finding the right wind for

1457
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: that can be tricky, I think, but.

1458
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 3: A great spot. Yeah.

1459
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 2: Last question, or maybe second to last question. Should you

1460
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: still consider trail camera pictures in specific areas during the rut?

1461
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 2: So when you get new pictures that show you a

1462
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,759
Speaker 2: buck that did something yesterday or a week ago or whatever,

1463
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: but it's November right now, is that something that's really

1464
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: meaning much to you, Andy, No, I.

1465
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 9: Still I still pay major attention to that, especially like

1466
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 9: if it's on well, I mean, honestly, I'm probably not

1467
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 9: diving into too many like betting areas to check trail cameras,

1468
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 9: you know that time of year. Those might be more

1469
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:24,439
Speaker 9: of like a soaker camera where I keep it in there,

1470
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 9: you know, most of the year. But like I'll have

1471
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 9: them on funnels, especially like really good funnels where they're

1472
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 9: almost forced to go through there, and I'll definitely check

1473
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 9: those and and see what's kind of moving through there,

1474
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 9: because those are spots that it's it could be it

1475
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 9: could be a random buck that's coming through one time,

1476
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 9: but if it's if it's a buck that's.

1477
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 8: In there during the run.

1478
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 9: There are spots, there are areas, there are trees that

1479
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 9: these deer go by repetitively, and it may not be

1480
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 9: every day, but it might be three, four or five

1481
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 9: times a week.

1482
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 8: In those spots.

1483
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 9: It's really it pays to know when those spots are

1484
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 9: heating up because those are the spots where if you're

1485
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 9: after a specific buck and if in a lot of

1486
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 9: times just you know, any good buck, but specifically a

1487
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 9: specific buck if you can find those areas where they

1488
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 9: go through more than anywhere else, and you can plant

1489
01:15:22,439 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 9: yourself there and just put in the hours. Obviously playing

1490
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 9: the wind, you know, getting there when the wind is okay,

1491
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,680
Speaker 9: but playing your butt in there and just playing the

1492
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,879
Speaker 9: long game. That's a great way to kill a target

1493
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 9: buck during the rut. But you gotta kind of establish

1494
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 9: that spot. Maybe there's a couple of them, maybe you're

1495
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 9: lucky in the two of them on the property you

1496
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 9: can hunt or whatever. And another one is is the

1497
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 9: food source, you know it. I that's still valuable to

1498
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,640
Speaker 9: me to know that, Like, okay, after dark, you know

1499
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 9: there's some dose. You know, there's some doughs in these

1500
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 9: food source and then you know, after dark, I got

1501
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 9: a you know, a buck on trail camp around like

1502
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,519
Speaker 9: bumping dose around or working this straight. I mean that

1503
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:05,719
Speaker 9: tells me that he's in there, and now I can

1504
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,120
Speaker 9: I can make an educated plan on where I want

1505
01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 9: to hunt this deer. Maybe it's in this funnel coming

1506
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 9: to the food source. Maybe it's on the backside of

1507
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 9: this still betting, maybe it's on the food source. Maybe

1508
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 9: he's in there in daylight a little bit. So I

1509
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 9: think trail cam I actually checked trail cameras a little

1510
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 9: more often during the rut. But I'm also doing it

1511
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 9: smart and I'm also you know, I'm trying to not

1512
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 9: blow deer out. I'm just trying to get some information

1513
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 9: on something that I could potentially capitalize on the short term,

1514
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 9: on a short term pattern. There.

1515
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, hypothetical, Well, last question, hypothetical.

1516
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 3: Dream spot to sit during the rut.

1517
01:16:53,880 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: So if you could paint the picture of the perfect

1518
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: rut location and Kip tell me the day you would

1519
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 2: want to hunt this perfect spot, and then give me

1520
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 2: as much detail as you can about what that setup

1521
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 2: would look like, everything from access to what kind of tree,

1522
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 2: to what features or habitat or or sign is there.

1523
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: What's the perfect place you could dream up for a

1524
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: rut sit?

1525
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:25,479
Speaker 9: Okay, so access would be through a neighboring property that's

1526
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 9: a cattle pasture, and I could walk through that the

1527
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 9: majority of the way back there. And this is going

1528
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:35,920
Speaker 9: to be in like not like real super steep hill country,

1529
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 9: but hill country, like moderately sized hills, you know, one

1530
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:42,040
Speaker 9: hundred feet one hundred and fifty feet, you know, somewhere

1531
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 9: in there kind of rolling hills, but some big hills

1532
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 9: in some sort of travel hub where there's two three

1533
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 9: different ridge systems that they all kind of dumped down

1534
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 9: in the same general area. And in that bottom, it's

1535
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 9: a wide bottom that's a CRP field, Okay, And I'm

1536
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 9: actually describing as I've killed, Yeah, I have killed multiple bucks,

1537
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 9: and my buddy shot a monster in there too. So

1538
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 9: you got ridges on the sides, you know, kind of

1539
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 9: surrounding it with multiple points dumping down into the CRP field.

1540
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 9: And right down there at the bottom is the is

1541
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 9: the primary scrape, the hub scrape. And because that bottom

1542
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 9: is a skinny field and it's wider, you can actually

1543
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 9: get a good consistent wind when you have the wind

1544
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,599
Speaker 9: blowing out the direction of the main drainage. So it's

1545
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 9: it's kind of when specific. You don't want it coming

1546
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 9: over a ridge perpendicular. You want it blowing out that

1547
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 9: main drainage, and you can what you can do is

1548
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 9: put that wind in your face, get down in that

1549
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 9: bottom and get right down wind of that scrape, and

1550
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 9: then you got all these points coming down, and then

1551
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 9: you got the wind hitting you in the face, blowing

1552
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 9: you back up towards that cattle pasture. Yes, a couple deer.

1553
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 9: There's some space to get you know, deer could get

1554
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 9: behind you, but it's gonna be very minimal, very very

1555
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 9: minimal disturbance, not real obtrusive.

1556
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 8: And you just got so.

1557
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 9: Many things, uh coming together there all in one spot.

1558
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 9: You got travel hub, multiple multiple points stumping down, so

1559
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 9: you're gonna have deer coming from all directions. You got

1560
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 9: that primary scrape there, and you got the thermal activity of.

1561
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 8: Its falling thermals.

1562
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,960
Speaker 9: You know, first thing in the morning, you know, until

1563
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 9: that sun gets over those hills, you got falling thermals

1564
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 9: going right down into that spot. So it's a great

1565
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 9: spot for bucks to come and check, crossing trails, scent

1566
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 9: pulling down and the same thing in the evening.

1567
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 8: That's something like that is a killer spot. Then they're

1568
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 8: hard to find.

1569
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 9: But what I look for is multiple features that bucks

1570
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 9: like all in one area. That's really what it comes

1571
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 9: down to. That's what makes a great rough spot. Yeah,

1572
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,800
Speaker 9: any one of those things you can get a kill on.

1573
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 9: Any one of those things can be a great hunt.

1574
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,600
Speaker 9: But when you find a spot like that, that's what

1575
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 9: makes a spot great for.

1576
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 8: Decades. You know, it's it's always a good spot.

1577
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 9: Because it has everything a buck needs, and he can

1578
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 9: he can figure out a ton of information from a

1579
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 9: lot of different things in one specific area.

1580
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1581
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 8: So, and then as far as a date, I would.

1582
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 9: Throw, uh, November, I'm gonna make a real short window

1583
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 9: six through nine.

1584
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 8: Nice, November six through nine.

1585
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1586
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've begin I've begun thinking of place like that

1587
01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 2: is like a stacked I'd been calling like a stacked

1588
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,720
Speaker 2: location because I want to stack up like all these

1589
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 2: reasons a buck would pass through there. So you make

1590
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 2: such a good point, which is, any one of those

1591
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,080
Speaker 2: in isolation could be good and it could work. But

1592
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 2: which like, the best of the best places are when

1593
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,799
Speaker 2: you can find this thing stacked on this thing, stacked

1594
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: on this thing, stacked on this thing, and you have

1595
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 2: all of these reasons, and then you all of a

1596
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 2: sudden you have a much higher percentage sit and that's

1597
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 2: that's what you're really looking for. So I love it, man,

1598
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 2: I I hope you find a spot or two like

1599
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: that to hunt in this this next couple of weeks,

1600
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 2: and that should get a big one on the ground.

1601
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:22,519
Speaker 3: My friend.

1602
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to do this and

1603
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,040
Speaker 2: answering some of these questions and helping us all get

1604
01:21:27,080 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 2: hyped for this most wonderful time of year.

1605
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1606
01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 9: Man, it's awesome. I'm excited. Hopefully this helped the listeners.

1607
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 9: I had fun. These are fun questions. It's fun just

1608
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 9: to start brainstorming and think about this stuff, because you know,

1609
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 9: when you don't, when you don't talk about it, sometimes

1610
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 9: you get a little complacent. You're not really thinking about it.

1611
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 9: But I'm all jacked up now. I'm ready to get

1612
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:48,479
Speaker 9: out there.

1613
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 3: Me too, man.

1614
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: And as in all that note, I should probably slip

1615
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 2: out of here and head to the woods here myself.

1616
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:58,639
Speaker 2: So thank you, Andy, and thanks everyone for listening.

1617
01:21:58,840 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 3: I appreciate you joining this week.

1618
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,360
Speaker 2: Good luck out there, and until next time, stay wired

1619
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:06,320
Speaker 2: to hunt.