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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts.

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Speaker 2: Now, if we lower the price of energy, we lower

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Speaker 2: the price of groceries, we lower the price of gasoline,

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Speaker 2: and importantly, we bring good jobs back into this country

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Speaker 2: so that wages go up. That's how you give people

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Speaker 2: a shot at the American dream again.

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Speaker 3: You might sort of have sort of a bit of

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Speaker 3: a boost next year. I mean, one, we have hopefully

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Speaker 3: some certainty around terriffs. We just never knew what they

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Speaker 3: were going to because there's so much flux, So hopefully

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Speaker 3: that calms down. And also we have a lot of

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Speaker 3: the sort of corporate tax credits finally coming along from

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Speaker 3: big beautiful Bill, so we might see a bit of

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Speaker 3: a sort of uptake and hiring hopefully next year as

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Speaker 3: sort of all this sort of expansionary policy take shape,

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Speaker 3: and hopefully we have some more certainty.

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Speaker 1: Around the tariffs.

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Speaker 4: Five cents a gallon, that is a pretty big deal. Now,

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Speaker 4: if you would have just filled up the twenty gallon

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Speaker 4: tank compared to a month ago, you would have saved

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Speaker 4: more than nine dollars a tank. And if you have

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Speaker 4: two to three cars and you fill up several times

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Speaker 4: a month, that is a lot of savings.

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Speaker 2: I feel very confident that if we keep wages high,

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Speaker 2: we keep energy prices low, we keep on chipping away

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Speaker 2: at the affordability crisis created by Joe Biden's administration. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I believe the American people are going to reward us

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Speaker 2: because the American people are smart. They know Rome wasn't

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Speaker 2: built in a day. They know what Joe b Biden

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Speaker 2: broke is not going to get fixed in a week.

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Speaker 1: We got to stay with it.

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Speaker 2: We got to keep on working on bringing good jobs

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Speaker 2: and money back into the United States of America, and.

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Speaker 1: That will it already has paid.

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Speaker 2: Major dividends for the American people. It's going to pay

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Speaker 2: a lot more in the year to come.

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Speaker 5: In terms of the Scotus decision, Maria, this is really

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Speaker 5: a national security issue when you think about it, that

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Speaker 5: the way President Trump has been able to use his

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Speaker 5: IEPA for national security, if the Supreme Court goes the

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Speaker 5: other way, it will be a loss for the American

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Speaker 5: people that President Trump. Look at the drop in finanyl desk.

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Speaker 5: Because President Trump was able to put finanyl tariffs on

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Speaker 5: the China, Mexico, Canada, we have seen a substantial drop

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Speaker 5: in the desk. China is cooperating on finanyl for the

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Speaker 5: first time in more than a decade. When China attempted

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Speaker 5: to put an export control on rare earth magnets, President

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Speaker 5: Trump said he put on one hundred percent tariff and

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Speaker 5: they immediately came to the table that we are rebalancing

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Speaker 5: trade and this year, for the calendar year, we are

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Speaker 5: going to shrink the deficit by several hundred billion dollars.

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Speaker 5: So economic security is national security. So this ruling is

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Speaker 5: really a national security ruling. And if they rule against administration,

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Speaker 5: they'll be ruling against national security.

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Speaker 2: And I think the best way to do it is,

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Speaker 2: on the one hand.

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Speaker 1: You got a lower cost.

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Speaker 2: That's why that we're lowering regulations on American energy to

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Speaker 2: get gas and groceries down.

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Speaker 1: Now, how does energy connect.

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Speaker 2: To groceries, Because if the truck that takes the groceries

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Speaker 2: to the grocery store is paying out the wazoo for

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Speaker 2: diesel fuel, then that means every American is going to

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Speaker 2: be paying more at the grocery. If the farmers who

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Speaker 2: actually grow our food are paying way too much for

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Speaker 2: fuel and fertilizer, that means American citizens are not going

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Speaker 2: to be able to afford their groceries because I believe

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Speaker 2: fundamentally in the wisdom of the American people.

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Speaker 1: When we go out there and we tell our.

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Speaker 2: Story that gasoline and energy got way too high under

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's administration, but we've lowered the cost of energy,

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Speaker 2: the American people will understand that. The American people know

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Speaker 2: that we go out there and talk about the fact

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Speaker 2: that the affordability crisis that happened under Joe Biden's administration

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Speaker 2: made a lot of Americans poor and work working every

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Speaker 2: single day to put money back in their pocket. I

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Speaker 2: think the American people will understand and agree with that.

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Speaker 6: Of course, America Fest is the starting point for us

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Speaker 6: to take America to greater heights in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 7: We have a.

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Speaker 8: Team that is ready to change the world and bring

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Speaker 8: America back to greatness.

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Speaker 1: Experience the greatest celebration of America.

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Speaker 9: Four days, thousands of patriots, the loudest voices, the strongest leaders,

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Speaker 9: featuring Vice President jd Vance, Tucker Carlson, Steve Bannon, Jesse Waters,

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Speaker 9: Greg Guttfeld, Grant Cardon, Rob Schneider, Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles,

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Speaker 9: Glenn Beck, Riley Gaines, Todd, Chrisley, Savannah Chrisley and more.

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Speaker 9: December eighteenth to twenty first in Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 1: The Movement meets here. You won't want to miss this.

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Speaker 9: Watch live at TPUSA dot com.

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Speaker 8: Charlie. Every day there's a battle for your mind, raging

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Speaker 8: information coming from every angle, but the will to the

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Speaker 8: sieve fear not. You found the place for truth, the

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Speaker 8: voice of a generation that still has the will to

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Speaker 8: believe in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 8: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

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Speaker 8: we go on.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 6: It is Amfest week and it Mfest twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Basically. Yeah, we start tomorrow torow evening. Probably going to

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Speaker 1: do the show here from the studio tomorrow. I think

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Speaker 1: I said that wrong earlier in the week, So it's

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Speaker 1: doing the show here from the studio. Then we'll head

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Speaker 1: on over to the convention Center Friday. We're going to

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Speaker 1: be doing the show live from the Convention Center. You know,

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Speaker 1: that's going to actually be a really bittersweet moment for

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Speaker 1: me because we've done The Charlie Kirkshow live from our

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Speaker 1: events countless times, and the real America's voice team is

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Speaker 1: going to be We're gonna be at that set. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be good. But without Charlie, it's gonna be a really,

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Speaker 1: I think, just a tough moment and uh but you know,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do it and it's gonna be great. And

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Speaker 1: we're grateful to our Real America's Voice team for helping

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Speaker 1: with the production there. And then the whole media row

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Speaker 1: is just like stacked. It's you know, stack, stack, stacked,

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Speaker 1: gonna be all the people's are gonna be there, and

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be I mean, this is like the super

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Speaker 1: Bowl for turning point. And then I'm I'm really this year,

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to some downtime during the holidays.

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Speaker 1: I I hope, I pray, I hope, you know, I

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Speaker 1: want to just like hang out with my kids and

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Speaker 6: That's why he did m thus when he did, he

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to the next, to the next. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've got Jesse Waters, Greg Guttfeld, We've got Tucker Bannon,

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Speaker 1: Vance is gonna be our big finale. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Glenn Beck. How many other people could we go? Uh,

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Speaker 1: be it's it's gonna be a phenomenal, phenomenal time. And

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Speaker 1: I hope you guys will either check it right, check

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Speaker 1: it out on Real America's Voice or stream it on

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Speaker 1: Rumble if you can't get tickets, And I wish I

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Speaker 1: could just say, hey, you could still get tickets, which

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Speaker 1: is usually the line, but this year is a little

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Speaker 1: this year. So Amfest starting up tomorrow night. You're not

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have Steve Dace, who's just a great friend

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Speaker 1: become a great good friend, who's a good friend with

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Speaker 1: Charlie before he's become a good friend of mine. He

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Speaker 1: or gonna be in studio. Let's talk about saving the West, yes,

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Speaker 1: which it needs much saving. It needs much saving. I'm

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Speaker 1: just checking now. They're still searching for that Brown University shooter.

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Speaker 1: You may have targeted that conservative student, was it? I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to get her name, right, uh, Ella cook,

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Speaker 1: Ella Cook? Yes, Yeah, And they're still looking for him.

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Speaker 1: a terrible story. There's a blockade going on in Venezuela.

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Speaker 6: Putting in something that Charlie cared a lot about, and

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Speaker 6: it's that Chuck Grassley, the House team.

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Speaker 6: And of course the President also has the power to

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Speaker 1: Got to where you got to remember this post image though,

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Speaker 6: It's from assistant Special Agent in charge and they just

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Speaker 6: write very little has been developed related to who might

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Speaker 6: Office has gathered information suggesting there maybe additional boxes, but

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Speaker 6: there is some concern that this information is single source,

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Speaker 6: has not been corroborated and maybe dated, And they basically

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Speaker 6: say there's a lot of doubt that it reaches a

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Speaker 1: And which is wild. So so there was doubt. Let's

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Speaker 1: let's sum this up. They're considering rating a president's home

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Speaker 1: a former president's home of the United States. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure that it hasn't been done before. Yeah, they cross

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Speaker 6: So absent a witness coming forward with recent information about

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Speaker 6: You guys should all follow Chuck Grassley, by the way,

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Speaker 6: I just looked one thousand followers for every year he's

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Speaker 1: We also have this Venezuelan blockead. I want to at

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Speaker 6: New statement from President Trump on Venezuela. This has been

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Speaker 1: But it keeps ratcheting up. And what the President announced.

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Speaker 1: Talk regular P. Yeah right, Well, you know there's a

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Speaker 1: I want to play this clip of Senator Fetterman because this, uh,

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Speaker 10: This idea is some things out in the media. It's

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Speaker 1: That's just not the fact.

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Speaker 6: You really find yourself wondering how many boats there must

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Speaker 1: Well it's interesting because he says he so this is

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Speaker 1: But he says, Venezuela is completely surrounded by the largest

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Speaker 1: So he's basically you're right, He's kind of employing almost

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Speaker 6: But in this in such time as they returned to

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Speaker 6: Okay, so the question is will this be I think

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Speaker 6: We know that, do we know that they're I know

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Speaker 1: I think that that's essentially how Maduro keeps control. Is

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Speaker 6: And I feel like the best outcome we could have

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Speaker 1: Report is number one export is going to It's going

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Speaker 1: If you got rid of probably in the United States,

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Speaker 11: here with your news break. President Trump's scheduled to deliver

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Speaker 11: retaliation against Syria for the killings of American troops in

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Speaker 11: that country. Today's speech will happen just hours after the

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Speaker 11: Commander in Chief and the First Lady received the bodies

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Speaker 11: Syria over the weekend. President Trump's White House Chief of Staff,

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Speaker 11: Susie Wiles, is raising eyebrows following a series of interviews

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Speaker 11: Wiles describes the President as having an alcoholics personality and

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Speaker 11: White House staff in cap in history. Funerals for the

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Speaker 11: in Sydney, Australia's Bondi Beach are starting to began. Meantime,

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Speaker 11: the surviving acused shooter is now charged with fifty nine offenses,

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Speaker 11: his charges on Monday. That's a quick check if your headlines.

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Speaker 11: As always, we appreciate having you along for the ride.

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Speaker 11: Now let's get you back to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 8: This most will not be silenced. You're listening to the

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Speaker 1: also going to be seeing this weekend. That's what we're

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Speaker 1: trying to do here is get people that are going

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Speaker 1: to be a part of our big weekend. That's of course,

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Speaker 1: Steve Dace, host of The Steve Day Show. Steve, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show, my friend.

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Speaker 7: Good to see you guys. God bless Merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Merry Christmas. Excited to see you. Lots going on

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Speaker 1: this weekend. It's gonna be jam packed. You're gonna be

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Speaker 1: speaking to the crowd. Do you want to give us

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Speaker 1: a little teaser? What're you're thinking about talking about?

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Speaker 12: Or The number one thing I hope that we get

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Speaker 12: out of this weekend is I've just never experienced in

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Speaker 12: the kind of unity and seats of revival like we

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Speaker 12: had at Charlie's memorial.

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Speaker 7: And the immediate thereafter.

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Speaker 12: And I am just hoping and praying in advance of

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Speaker 12: this event that what this does is recaptures that going

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Speaker 12: into the holidays, and then we come out of the

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Speaker 12: I mean, you guys are keeping me busy this week.

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Speaker 12: So everything that I'm going to be a part of

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Speaker 12: here at the Convention Center in Phoenix is about is

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Speaker 12: going to be about reinforcing that message, which is kind

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Speaker 12: of weird for me. I mean, from much of my career,

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Speaker 12: I've kind of been the disruptor, insurgent guy. But you know,

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Speaker 12: Charlie convinced me in the last year plus that if

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Speaker 12: we don't convince, we don't keep this coalition together, we're doomed.

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Speaker 12: And so now as I get older, I am into

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Speaker 12: now and I'm trying to get everybody to stay on

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Speaker 12: the same team for the first time in my career.

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Speaker 12: So I'm going to be harping on that a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, it kind of reminds me of that Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: quote and I think it was right around the memorial

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Speaker 1: where he says we must hang together or we shall

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Speaker 1: surely hang separately. Yeah, and uh, and there really is.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been thinking a lot about this, Steve,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't where we were planning to go with it,

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Speaker 1: but I think it kind of all ties in, uh

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Speaker 1: the show today. You know, there is a time for

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Speaker 1: bringing coalitions together. Usually that's election years, right. Obviously, you

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Speaker 1: have to you have to see the ground before that happens,

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Speaker 1: and you have to do the work before. But there

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Speaker 1: can be a time where you've got to sort of

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Speaker 1: there is a sifting there is there can be a

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Speaker 1: sifting that happens, and and it's it's truly a difficult

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Speaker 1: question when that time is you know how to who

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Speaker 1: lead that, you know, the pruning and the you know,

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Speaker 1: to prove prune every tree if it's going to grow healthy.

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Speaker 1: And there is a point where that can be what

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Speaker 1: what do you make of this? I mean, the most

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Speaker 1: famous example is the Buckley in the in the in

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Speaker 1: sixties or seventies?

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Speaker 6: John Society of fifty sixties?

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Speaker 1: All right? I mean, so that's the most famous example.

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Speaker 1: But what do you make of that as a as

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Speaker 12: I'm sure you guys have seen this meme that has

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Speaker 12: Charlie Kirk and it's it's holding back this this this

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Speaker 12: now seeing posthumously how much Charlie was respected in that

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Speaker 7: I mean that that's the kind of respect.

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Speaker 12: You can't appoint yourself an apostle, you can't appoint yourself

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Speaker 12: a bishop, you cannot appoint yourself a leader. And most

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Speaker 12: back in the day when I was younger, we used

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Speaker 12: that life. And typically that stuff is bestowed upon you

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Speaker 12: organically by your peers. And I just think there was

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Speaker 12: time that uniquely put him into that position.

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Speaker 7: And I think what you're seeing now is there's various.

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Speaker 12: Elements, these various factions within our movement now, Libertarians, you

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Speaker 12: know what America firster, No, we're really America firsters. Maybe

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Speaker 12: reconsideration of our relationship with Israel, Maybe we can have

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Speaker 12: completely divorce ourselves from the Islamic world.

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Speaker 7: The leaders of these various.

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Speaker 12: Factions now are kind of coming to a head with

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Speaker 12: their platforms to fill this void, and that has created

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Speaker 12: a lot of the dissension and argumentation that you're seeing

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Speaker 12: right now. And I think what we actually really need

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Speaker 12: a real argument and in constructive ways so that people

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Speaker 12: can legitimately feel as if their voices are heard. I

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Speaker 12: with Fuentes that a lot of people got worked up about,

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Speaker 12: and I said this on my show. I said, listen,

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Speaker 12: trying to mainstream Nick Fuentes will destroy our coalition on

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Speaker 12: topics you don't like, and in ways that all the time. Frankly,

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Speaker 12: other end, all right, So there's no win here by

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Speaker 12: trying to cancel either side of this various conversation. We

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Speaker 12: really need to have our substantive debates. And I would

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Speaker 12: urge the leaders of these various factions that want to

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Speaker 12: have their views reconsidered now with this void left by

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Speaker 12: try to be responsible, try to understand the collateral damage

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Speaker 12: when you bring something up and disagree and be willing

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Speaker 12: and the other fashions question. You go on one another shows,

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Speaker 12: go on one another's platforms. You know, I know there's

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Speaker 12: gonna be lots of breakouts and stuff here this week

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Speaker 12: in America fest. You know, this is really a time

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Speaker 12: now that we need to come now and reason together,

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Speaker 12: as the Bible says, and that's been the prophet Isaiah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm one thousand percent with you. I was

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Speaker 1: on Ross Douthit's podcast and released last week and it

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Speaker 1: was it was a great experience actually, And then the

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Speaker 1: reason I did it was because we had originally booked

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Speaker 1: Charlie to be on Ross's show in October, and you know,

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Speaker 1: lo and behold, he invited me to come out in December,

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Speaker 1: so as honored to take the invitation and to do it.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things we talked about was this

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Speaker 1: this very thing, and I'm a proponent of let's have

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Speaker 1: the debate. Let's have the debate. The key is is

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Speaker 1: that in the online community it turns into you know,

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Speaker 1: this kind of feud culture, which is not productive. And

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what Charlie tried to avoid. We've been trying

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Speaker 1: to avoid it. And I think, you know, if you

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Speaker 1: can stay out of the personal mud slinging and you

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Speaker 1: get into the debate the actual merits of the ideas,

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Speaker 1: that's when the that's the sweet spot. You should not

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Speaker 1: be afraid of that. The feud culture, the mud slinging,

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Speaker 1: the personal animis that stuff can be really really distracting.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's really seductive as well, the

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Speaker 1: feud slinging and also just what they choose to focus on.

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Speaker 1: You know, since you mentioned Fuentes and others, but that

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Speaker 1: one of Charlie's best things is he really was almost

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Speaker 1: entirely focused on very practical politics. So he was always

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Speaker 1: he was always talking about the next race, not even

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Speaker 1: the big elections, but these off yeer elections. He would

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Speaker 1: have been really hammering the Virginia New Jersey races, and

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Speaker 1: that's why we tried to do the same, and or

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Speaker 1: even Wisconsin's Supreme Court election, Tennessee by election. He'd get

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Speaker 1: whipped up for these things, and he'd fixate on what

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Speaker 1: could Congress be doing right now, what could the president

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Speaker 1: be doing right now that will have an impact on

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Speaker 1: the border, on your individual life. And when he wasn't

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Speaker 1: talking about politics, he was talking about that individual life stuff.

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Speaker 1: You should be going to church, you should be you know,

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Speaker 1: observe the Sabbath, if you can do those things. And

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Speaker 1: I do worry that a lot of what's happened.

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Speaker 6: With the weirder stuff that's come into the right, you know,

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Speaker 6: arguing over I mean, let's be frank, a lot of

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Speaker 6: the stuff the debate about Israel, for a lot of them,

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Speaker 6: they really actually just want to hate on Jewish people,

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Speaker 6: And besides the fact that I consider that generally morally wrong,

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Speaker 6: it's also a huge distraction from everything. And it occurred

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Speaker 6: to me that there was this big cancel battle going

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Speaker 6: on in late October of this year, right before important elections,

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Speaker 6: and there were a lot of people who weren't talking

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Speaker 6: about that. They were talking about whether it was okay

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Speaker 6: to attack world jewelry or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and you know, Steve, and I'll throw this

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Speaker 1: to you, Charlie was always had this guiding north star.

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Speaker 1: I think that kept him very clear minded about what

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Speaker 1: was important what wasn't, and that was save the West,

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Speaker 1: save America, Save the West. And you postulate that there's

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Speaker 1: really only two ways we do that, what are those, Steve?

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Speaker 12: I think one comes from above providence, and that's mass revival.

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Speaker 12: When you see that two percent of France, less than

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Speaker 12: two percent is evangelical. You see many of the old

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Speaker 12: Catholic cathedrals now are mosques or strip malls or just

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Speaker 12: barren buildings throughout much of Western Europe. We're beyond just

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Speaker 12: you know, rezoning laws and many practical political solutions to

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Speaker 12: that level of spiritual degradation. So we need mass, great

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Speaker 12: awakening level revival. It's not a coincidence that we had

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Speaker 12: great awakenings before we had you know, we had liberty

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Speaker 12: in America. We had pastors like John Winthrop and Jonathan

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Speaker 12: Edwards and others. So what can we do in the practicum,

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Speaker 12: because that comes from above, and in the practicum, I

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Speaker 12: think we're doomed without an immigr a flat out all

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Speaker 12: out immigration moratorium.

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Speaker 7: Who put And I might even extend.

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Speaker 1: It on say it again so they can hear you

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Speaker 1: in the bag, Steve.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think we might be doomed without an all

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Speaker 12: out immigration ratorium at least five years. I'd say a

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Speaker 12: decade something along the lines with my good friend Congressman

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Speaker 12: Ship Roy is proposing right now with the Pause Act.

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Speaker 12: But I'd make it even more draconian. And I hate

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Speaker 12: saying this, guys. I mean, I put the fun in fundamentalism,

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Speaker 12: you know it. I like thumping my Bible, man, I

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Speaker 12: love it. Okay, But I'm not even sure how many

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Speaker 12: Christian asylum cases we can take because a lot of

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Speaker 12: them are going to come from countries that are dominated

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Speaker 12: by Islam.

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Speaker 7: So how do we know? How do we vet? How

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Speaker 7: do we know?

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Speaker 12: Because our current whatever the vetting system was around here

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Speaker 12: for the last twenty plus.

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Speaker 7: Years, suck all right.

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Speaker 12: Since nine to eleven, we've taken in over three million

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Speaker 12: people from Islamic dominated countries. That is absolute cultural suicide.

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Speaker 12: And Steve and I think we've got to stop it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Steve, how many kids did they have? So okay,

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Speaker 1: we took in three million, but are they having four

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Speaker 1: point seven children each each couple there?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: So is that really is that really closer to fifteen million?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 1: Right? And you see what happened in Bondai Beach. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know this is we the West is sleep walking

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Speaker 1: into cultural suicide. And there's many of us that are

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Speaker 1: are clapping our hands, waving, jumping up and down, saying

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Speaker 1: please wake up. Charlie was big on this, and and

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Speaker 1: there seems to be a faction within our own ranks

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Speaker 1: that is, I don't know more coosing up to this

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Speaker 1: idea that we can be friends with. Uh, you know

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Speaker 1: Islamists that move into our into our own country. Listen,

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Speaker 1: there are fifty Muslim majority countries in the in the world. Uh,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of options. You don't need to have them

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Speaker 1: move to the West.

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Speaker 13: More.

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Speaker 1: With Steve Days on the other side of this break,

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Speaker 1: we might just keep going through the stream. Steve, We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back one second.

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Speaker 8: The hardest working radio show in the business, the Charlie Kirkshaw.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, Steve, if if you're calling for an

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Speaker 1: immigration moratorium. I am totally on board. I would do

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Speaker 1: it for at least a decade, but I'll take what

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Speaker 1: I can get. The question then becomes, how do you

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Speaker 1: achieve that political end right? You're seeing today that four

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Speaker 1: Republicans have broke in the House for Obamacare subsidies. That

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Speaker 1: is a very clear indication that we do not have

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Speaker 1: We have a very tough people. Yeah, we have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of Democrat lights in the House and probably in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. You think Susan Collins, you think Lisa Murkowski,

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Speaker 1: you think Ram Paul, you think who else? You got

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Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell still in there. Even if we nuke the filibuster,

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Speaker 1: you'd have to presume two things. One that we have

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Speaker 1: enough votes to do so, and secondly, that once we

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Speaker 1: do so, we'd have enough political will to accomplish the

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Speaker 1: truly important, critical pieces that will save America. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think we have either one minute.

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Speaker 12: That's exactly why we need to try to do it though,

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Speaker 12: so our people can see. Remember that Dred Scott case

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Speaker 12: is can considered to be one of the key components

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Speaker 12: that led to the end of slavery in America.

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Speaker 7: We lost that case. But people got to see the US.

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Speaker 12: Supreme Court look at a black man and say that's

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Speaker 12: not a person, it's property. And that clarifying that that

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Speaker 12: that clarifier ignited the abolitionist movement in the next era

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Speaker 12: to do what must be done to win. And so

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Speaker 12: I think we need to try these things, even if

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Speaker 12: they fail to spur on our people so that what

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Speaker 12: comes after Trump then is even more zealous for the

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Speaker 12: kinds of things we're talking about now that they fully

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Speaker 12: know who and what it truly is that we are

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Speaker 12: aligned with.

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Speaker 1: Interesting you might have just convinced me. I've been really

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Speaker 1: wavering on this. I think, Blake, Blake, you're probably a

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Speaker 1: little bit on the other side of that argument, and

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Speaker 1: I've just been admittedly I've been in the mushy middle

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Speaker 1: because I could see it going like I'm gaming it

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Speaker 1: out how we could do this, and I don't, but

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Speaker 1: you might have commit.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, It's it's just tough. It's very hard. We don't

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Speaker 6: have the soldiers in the field right now. But there's

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Speaker 6: a line like in science that science progresses one funeral

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Speaker 6: all out of time, and I feel like Republican courage

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Speaker 6: progresses one retirement at a time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we just had another retirement announced in Washington State.

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Speaker 1: We're going to welcome back National Radio more with Steve

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Speaker 1: Dason about five seconds. This is a great conversation. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk shows.

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Speaker 1: So we're debating this for radio on about Okay, So

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Speaker 1: we want to get immigration done. We would all go

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Speaker 1: in favor of an immigration moratorium. How many votes? So

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Speaker 1: let's set the filibuster nuken the filibusters said, let's assume

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Speaker 1: that we can do that. Let's assume we get fifty

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Speaker 1: plus one. What happens next? How many US Senators would

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Speaker 1: vote for an immigration moratorium right now as it starts.

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Speaker 1: I don't think.

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Speaker 12: I don't think there's any chance it would pass, but

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Speaker 12: I think are people need to see this?

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Speaker 1: How many do you think we get? Ten?

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Speaker 12: You think we get I bet you get I bet

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Speaker 12: you get twenty or twenty five. Because now they're votes

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Speaker 12: on the record, and you have to understand the way

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Speaker 12: the Republican Party establishment works is an incumbency protection racket, right,

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Speaker 12: So they don't want a lot of these things to

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Speaker 12: even come up for a vote because they don't want

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Speaker 12: the base to know. Just truly how weak a lot

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Speaker 12: of the people they're voting for really are. And so

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Speaker 12: this kind of clarifier, you're going to get the people

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Speaker 12: that were never with us, They're going to get more

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Speaker 12: emboldened to be So then you're gonna get some squishy

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Speaker 12: people who don't want to be known that they're on

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Speaker 12: the wrong side of history here that would like to

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Speaker 12: keep collecting those pension points there in Washington, DC. So

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Speaker 12: I would guess we'd probably get half the Republican Senators

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Speaker 12: to vote for it.

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Speaker 6: It's even more treacherous than that, Steve, because think of

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Speaker 6: what happened with Obamacare, for example, where the Republicans would

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Speaker 6: endlessly hold those symbolic votes to repeal and replace Obamacare

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Speaker 6: because they knew it was not going to pass. So

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Speaker 6: what was you have in our Senate? How many of

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Speaker 6: them would vote for the full immigration more tatorium as

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Speaker 6: long as they had ironclad confidence it was not actually

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Speaker 6: going to pass. And then if it seemed, oh, we

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Speaker 6: have fifty eight Republican senators, we could conceivably pass it,

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Speaker 6: suddenly everyone gets shaky. There's problems with it. You have

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Speaker 6: the ghost of John McCain possess somebody and say oh,

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Speaker 6: I'm actually going to vote with the Dems on this one.

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Speaker 1: So well, and here's the thing. You could do a

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Speaker 1: net zero immigration moratorium. Right. So the estimates are around

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Speaker 1: two hundred to three hundred thousand people US citizens and

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Speaker 1: immigrants form born residents leave the United States every year

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Speaker 1: two to three hundred thousand. So it's not like you're

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Speaker 1: not allowing some movement of humanity.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: You can bring in a new h one b if

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Speaker 6: you spawn, if you get somebody else to leave America.

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Speaker 1: And you have to pay one hundred fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 6: I'm just picturing like a tech company and maybe Microsoft

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Speaker 6: or something, and they find refugees and they just say,

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Speaker 6: we'll pay you fifty thousand dollars, will resettle you in

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Speaker 6: this colony in a cheap country like Panama or something.

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Speaker 6: How a nice little micro off town tu people there

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Speaker 6: so they can bring in tech workers.

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Speaker 12: Trumpet, he can he can stand up like the yoke er,

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Speaker 12: break the custick in half and say we're going to

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Speaker 12: have tryout.

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Speaker 7: All right, right, so.

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Speaker 14: You know.

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Speaker 1: This is yeah, I mean listen, but I actually think

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Speaker 1: some of these ideas. So a lot of people look, okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: Trump Gold card, right that the Trump card or whatever,

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Speaker 1: five million dollars people, And you know, I posted something

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Speaker 1: on on X and people are like something about how

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Speaker 1: you know a piece of paper doesn't make you an American?

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Speaker 1: And they're like, yeah, we agree, what about the Trump card.

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Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, we have to have a some pragmatism

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Speaker 1: in here. We have to we have to look at

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Speaker 1: you know, for example, I'm against age one b's, but

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Speaker 1: I'm pro genius visa, So why would we say have

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Speaker 1: more geniuses moving.

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Speaker 6: At this point, I often just look at what China

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Speaker 6: does because they're just a country that doesn't hate themselves,

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Speaker 6: even if they're ideologically very different. And China has immigrants,

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Speaker 6: they just have very You they find a world class

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Speaker 6: expert in something and they say, come here, we'll pay

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Speaker 6: you a million dollars a year, two million dollars a year,

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Speaker 6: and you have to teach these native Chinese everything.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, imagine that if you look at if you look

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Speaker 12: at the H one B program, Guys, right now, there's

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Speaker 12: about as many H one B visas in America as

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Speaker 12: there are college educated people in the unemployment line. And

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Speaker 12: so we keep being told that Americans cannot do these jobs.

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Speaker 12: So let me repeat that there's about as many college

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Speaker 12: degreed people in the unemployment line in America right now

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Speaker 12: as we have H one B visas. I mean, if

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Speaker 12: we're graduating from college and you cannot even do baseline

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Speaker 12: H one B visa work, then I think we should

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Speaker 12: seriously consider why we even have colleges in universities. And

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Speaker 12: in the first place, what are they other than learning

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Speaker 12: how to become a gay race communist. What are they

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Speaker 12: doing there?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know it kind of I hate to I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a funny line and I want to enjoy the moment,

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Speaker 1: but for some reason it it made me think of

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Speaker 1: poor Ella Cook at Brown you University. You know, these

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Speaker 1: the radical environment that she was living around, and we're

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Speaker 1: we're waiting on confirmation that she was indeed targeted. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, like, it's hitting me, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the story didn't hit me as hard at first. It

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Speaker 1: felt sad and sympathy and I said a prayer for

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Speaker 1: her and her family. But as the days go on

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Speaker 1: and I sit with this, it's hitting me heart like

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Speaker 1: I'm having you know, it's hitting closer to home because

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Speaker 1: I think but what happened to Charlie and it just

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Speaker 1: is breaking my heart. And uh, you know, these universities,

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Speaker 1: they had a lot of federal funding, they get a

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Speaker 1: lot of prop you know, they propped up and they're

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Speaker 1: you know, you're indoctrinating your your children. You're you're playing

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Speaker 1: Russian Roulette with their values. Steve Dace, we are going

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Speaker 1: to see you this weekend, my friend. Thanks for joinings.

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Speaker 1: That was a really fun conversation. So uh, we bet guys,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you making the time. We'll see in it.

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Speaker 1: We'll see it tomorrow. Probably all right, Doctor James or

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Speaker 1: one of Charlie's favorites joins us an hour two. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna want to miss us. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 11: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 11: Terrence Bates. Thanks so much for being here with us.

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Speaker 11: President Trump is en route to Dover, Delaware as we speak.

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Speaker 11: He just boarded Marine one and is headed to the

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Speaker 11: Air Force to Joint Base Andrews before them heading to Dover, Delaware.

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Speaker 11: In Delaware, he'll participate in a dignified transfer as the

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Speaker 11: bodies of two Iowa National Guardsmen who were killed in

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Speaker 11: Syria are being returned home to the United States. Will

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Speaker 11: of course have more coverage on that throughout the day

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Speaker 11: here on Real America's Voice. In the meantime, retooling healthcare

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Speaker 11: in this country is on the docket on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 11: House Republicans are hoping to pass their version of a

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Speaker 11: healthcare plan. Meantime, four Republicans have already across the aisle

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Speaker 11: to vote with Democrats on a discharge petition that would

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Speaker 11: force a vote on expiring Obamacare subsidies, despite House Speaker

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Speaker 11: Mike Johnson's resistance to that idea. Chief White House Correspondent

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Speaker 11: Brian Glenn joining us from the White House with the

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Speaker 11: very latest on all the goings on around Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: Brian, Good, afternoon.

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Speaker 11: Let's start with Medicare, those Obamacare subsidies. This is a

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Speaker 11: major win for Democrats, huge loss for House Speaker Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 1: It is terrence. Just in the last hour.

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Speaker 13: Rep from Pennsylvania Ryan mackenzie has signed the discharge petition

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Speaker 13: along with House Democrats to force this to the floor

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Speaker 13: for a vote. Now, the vote on the ACA credits

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Speaker 13: will not take place until next year.

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Speaker 1: But it does in fact put it on the floor

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Speaker 1: for a vote.

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Speaker 13: This is for a clean three year extension of the

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Speaker 13: Obamacare premium subsidies that have been widely talked about now.

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Speaker 13: But what also is on the floor today for a

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Speaker 13: vote is a couple of healthcare bills as well that

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Speaker 13: there actually strengthens some of the health care policies, prevents

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Speaker 13: fraud from happening amongst healthcare. I do anticipate those particular

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Speaker 13: bills passing. But in terms of the big one that

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Speaker 13: everyone's talking about, Terrence, it's because four Republicans joined Democrats

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Speaker 13: to force this to the floor for a vote. Now,

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Speaker 13: this does show a lot of signs of Speaker Johnson

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Speaker 13: losing his grip on the Republican Party and in terms

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Speaker 13: of this particular subject of coming up with a solution, Terrence,

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Speaker 13: as we know going into the twenty twenty six midterms,

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Speaker 13: this is a big topic, and those healthcare subsidies expire

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Speaker 13: at the end of this year.

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Speaker 11: So Brian, let's take a quick step back, because there

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Speaker 11: are really kind of two issues that we're talking about.

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Speaker 11: The Obamacare subsidies vote, which will be next year, that's

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Speaker 11: one thing, and that's something that Democrats really have been

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Speaker 11: kind of holding out for. And so now that's going

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Speaker 11: to happen. But really, from a Republican standpoint, the bigger

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Speaker 11: issue is retooling healthcare in this country. There will be

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Speaker 11: a vote on that. Will there be an impact from

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Speaker 11: the subsidies issue on the actual vote to change the

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Speaker 11: way that healthcare is handled in this country? How are

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Speaker 11: the two connected and will they impact each other? Explain

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Speaker 11: that for our viewers.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I think so, because what we need to do

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Speaker 13: here is provide no one. We all know that if

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Speaker 13: these subsidies goes away, a lot of people's premiums.

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Speaker 1: Are going to skyrocket. We know that's fact.

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Speaker 13: But there must be some type of off ramp that

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Speaker 13: Republicans and Democrats can come together to really get rid

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Speaker 13: of these healthcare subsidies and make healthcare more affordable. This

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Speaker 13: is a bigger picture here. Healthcare in general has the

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Speaker 13: prices the race. Your premiums have just absolutely skyrocketed, not

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Speaker 13: only just in the last four years under Joe Biden's administration,

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Speaker 13: if you look historically over the last ten years, these

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Speaker 13: premiums have gone absolutely unaffordable for many Americans. So the

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Speaker 13: broader conversation is what can they do to make sure

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Speaker 13: that healthcare is not only the healthcare itself is world class.

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Speaker 13: We know that, but the premiums, the actual rates you pay,

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Speaker 13: are very competitive, and that an average American can afford

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Speaker 13: that because right now, without these subsidies, they simply cannot

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Speaker 13: do that. So there is a larger conversation in play

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Speaker 13: of making it more affordable and really more accessible for

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Speaker 13: I would say the average class American today, family afford

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Speaker 13: they must be able to afford healthcare, and right now,

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Speaker 13: without these subsidies, it's unaffordable.

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Speaker 11: Brian Healthcare has the big headlines right now on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 11: But later this afternoon, Georgia Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Green also

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Speaker 11: is going to have a vote on one of her

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Speaker 11: bills to protect children. Explain what's going to be happening

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Speaker 11: there and where the traction is if you will on

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Speaker 11: that bill.

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Speaker 13: Okay, Yes, the bill is called Protect Children's Innocence Act,

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Speaker 13: and what it does it makes it a felony to

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Speaker 13: perform gender affirming hair on a minor. And this is

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Speaker 13: basically supporting President Trump's executive order on this issue. That

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Speaker 13: vote is coming today at three o'clock. Although chip Roy

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Speaker 13: has put an amendment to basically cut water down.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to our to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Andrew Cole Thattt Blake next to my left.

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Speaker 6: Affected switch sides on the table, and the reason being

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Speaker 6: is that in studio we have the great doctor James

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Speaker 6: or pleasure to have you, sir.

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Speaker 14: Great to be with you, Andrew, great to be with you, Blake.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's always a treat. You know, some of my best,

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Speaker 1: most favorite last memories with Charlie you happen to be

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Speaker 1: a part of as well, and so that is really

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Speaker 1: close to my heart and I know to yours as well,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad we had that time. And then you

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Speaker 1: came back afterwards, and I know you you've made some

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Speaker 1: trips to Phoenix and you're going to be joining us

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Speaker 1: for ANFES. So I think we're all said you're actually

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Speaker 1: going to be moderating some discussions.

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Speaker 15: So I believe I've only just just found this out,

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Speaker 15: maybe a few days ago. Well, I'm really excited.

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Speaker 1: We volunteered you.

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Speaker 15: Three debates to moderate. I'm including some pretty neuralgic difficult topics.

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Speaker 15: I think there's one on what's one on God? You

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Speaker 15: don't get harder than that. There's there's one on Israel,

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Speaker 15: and I think they thought, well, who are going to

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Speaker 15: give the hospital pass to Let's let's send it to

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Speaker 15: the brit Who cares if he plays up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's not like you have your own reputation

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Speaker 1: to worry about here, doctor, or you of course are

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Speaker 1: very active with reform in the UK. How things gone

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Speaker 1: over there.

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Speaker 14: Things are going extremely well.

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Speaker 15: In fact, in many ways there isn't really a historical

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Speaker 15: precedent for how well reformed UK is doing so well.

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Speaker 15: What we're witnessing is really the emergence for the first

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Speaker 15: time in the history of British pobers a new party

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Speaker 15: of the right that is credible, that has increasingly well,

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Speaker 15: very strong popular support. I think we've been leading at

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Speaker 15: about a one hundred and sixty polls poll after poll.

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Speaker 15: We've made some amazing incursions electorally back in May Sweat

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Speaker 15: the local elections. Looks like we're going to do extremely

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Speaker 15: well in Wales and in Scotland. So the energy is extraordinary.

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Speaker 15: The moment where we're sometimes polling higher than the combined

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Speaker 15: polling of the Labor Party and the Conservative Party, the

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Speaker 15: two historic party.

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Speaker 6: I want to highlight that that they've had a few

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Speaker 6: different parties towards the left end of the policy. These

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Speaker 6: have the Liberals and they're still around, but they're small

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Speaker 6: and they got replaced by Labor. But the Conservatives and

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Speaker 6: before them the Tories, they're olders. In America, there was

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Speaker 6: a I believe it was a Tory prime minister when

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Speaker 6: the American Revolution broke absolutely, and they've been the party

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Speaker 6: of government typically in Britain for three hundred years, and.

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Speaker 1: It might all go down in flames. Well, and you know,

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Speaker 1: are we still first question, what's the animating factor?

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Speaker 15: Well, I think for the one and very important animating

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Speaker 15: factor is a negative one, namely just the routine betrayal

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Speaker 15: and incompetence of successive laboring Tory governments over certainly over

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Speaker 15: the last twenty five years, over the Tory period. You know,

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Speaker 15: the Conservatives let in in the last in their last

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Speaker 15: parliament from sort of twenty nineteen to twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 15: more legal and illegal migrants than we've seen in our history.

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Speaker 15: Why well, all sorts of complicated reasons behind it. But

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Speaker 15: I think part of the problem was a belief in

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Speaker 15: the dogma of the Treasury that the British economy will

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Speaker 15: collapse if we don't keep the Ponzi scheme going if

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Speaker 15: we don't keep bringing in hundreds of thousands, indeed millions

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Speaker 15: of people to help to help prop up the prop

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Speaker 15: up the economy and do the jobs that Brits want

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Speaker 15: to do.

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Speaker 14: It's the same old story.

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Speaker 6: Well so appalling just because you did the Biden wave,

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Speaker 6: except they call it Boris wave there and it was

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Speaker 6: I think higher than Biden's level of immigration when you

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Speaker 6: adjusted for the CYBLA and with a right wing government.

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Speaker 6: They've had only right of center governments in the UK

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Speaker 6: until Starmar from twenty ten to last.

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Speaker 1: Year, and they did the full open borderspiel from the right.

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Speaker 15: That's exactly right, and so that's I think that's the

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Speaker 15: first thing that's really driving support for US because Reform

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Speaker 15: has been very very clear on migration from the very beginning.

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Speaker 14: It's very clear on the.

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Speaker 15: Fiscal suicide of net zero and the need to get

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Speaker 15: some energy independence and energy sovereignty. It's been very clear

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Speaker 15: on questions of free speech. We had the passing of

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Speaker 15: the Online Safety Act just just a few months ago,

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Speaker 15: and this is this is really a censorship charter, using

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Speaker 15: the wedge of trying to get some statutory protection for

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Speaker 15: children online, but folded into that enormous piece of legislation

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Speaker 15: was effectively at measures and tools that equip our offcom

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Speaker 15: our media regulator with with enormous powers to to censor,

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Speaker 15: and even Substack is now having to to to censor

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Speaker 15: certain articles to comply with the legislation.

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Speaker 6: I think even I think even x anounced today that

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Speaker 6: they just said some of our material is going to

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Speaker 6: have to be taken down in Europe and you have.

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Speaker 1: To watch out for what you post because well.

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Speaker 14: You are in.

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Speaker 1: But we can't divide these last just yet.

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Speaker 15: The European Union is developing its own kind of censorship

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Speaker 15: charter that is even even even more draconian, and it's

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Speaker 15: it's you know, it's extraordinary what's happening. And uh so

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Speaker 15: we're very committed to getting free speech right if we

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Speaker 15: ever got got got got into power, and it's quite

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Speaker 15: straightforward to do it.

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Speaker 1: There's just just a few.

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Speaker 15: Provisions in a few acts here and there that need

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Speaker 15: to be amended or clarified or simply repealed, and that

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Speaker 15: could have an enormous a downstream effect on the culture

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Speaker 15: of freedom.

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Speaker 6: You guys, so lu in Britain, they just have supremacy

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Speaker 6: of Parliament, they can essentially just if you have a majority,

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Speaker 6: you can pass any law you want on anything. But

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Speaker 6: I want to on the free speech thing, can you

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Speaker 6: talk about the islamophobia definition that's been going on in

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Speaker 6: the past couple of days.

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Speaker 1: That's another concern.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So this has been a long running debate in

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Speaker 15: the public square over the last few years in Britain,

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Speaker 15: and there's been a big push on the left and

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Speaker 15: now with the Labor Party, which has an enormous majority

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Speaker 15: in the House of Commons, to effectively legislate a different

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Speaker 15: definition and protect or rather protect anyone who feels themselves

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Speaker 15: to be a victim of Islamophobia. And so there's been

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Speaker 15: a lot of back and forth and actually Parliament has

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Speaker 15: been working very well. There's been extllc Tory MPs who've

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Speaker 15: been getting up and pointing out just what an incursion

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Speaker 15: on freedom of speech and freedom of religion this definition

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Speaker 15: would be, because effectively, what they're trying to do is

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Speaker 15: to allied sort of beliefs with identity and and so

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Speaker 15: the thought is that you know, to be a Muslim

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Speaker 15: is to have is to have a particular identity, rather

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Speaker 15: than to have that identity and virtue of subscribing to a.

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Speaker 14: Set of set of beliefs, beliefs that plainly.

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Speaker 15: Can be criticized in any free democracy, indeed, and should

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Speaker 15: be criticized, should be open to criticism. But so the

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Speaker 15: government's back down is trying to tweak the definition, and

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Speaker 15: now it's something like anti Muslim, anti Muslim hatred or

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Speaker 15: anti Muslim. I think it's anti Muslim hatred. And the

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Speaker 15: problem with that is it just you know, it just

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Speaker 15: bakes in the problem.

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Speaker 1: If they have an anti white hatred.

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Speaker 14: They technically yes, technically yes, I mean there is all

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Speaker 14: of this.

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Speaker 15: Sort of exists under the equality legislation, but this would

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Speaker 15: be a special provision to be a special protection. Which

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Speaker 15: what they're trying to say, by shifting to anti Muslim

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Speaker 15: hate as opposed to as an amophobia, we've kind of

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Speaker 15: solved the problem. But we don't because again, the assumption

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Speaker 15: is there that somehow to be a Muslim is to

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Speaker 15: be a member of a race or to be a

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Speaker 15: member of an ethnic group, which plainly you're not. You're

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Speaker 15: a Muslim just if you can do the Shahada three

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Speaker 15: times or whatever it might be, you could the three

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Speaker 15: of us could become Muslims in the next half hour.

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Speaker 15: It's completely nothing to do with our ethnicity or race.

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Speaker 6: I'm looking at the latest draft definition and it includes

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Speaker 6: as something that would be banned the prejudicial stereotyping and

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Speaker 6: racialization of Muslims to stir up hatred against them. That

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Speaker 6: just strikes me as an incredibly broad stereotyping of Muslims.

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Speaker 1: To say there's a common trait that a lot of

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Speaker 1: Muslims have.

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Speaker 15: Well, I think that what you would have to say

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Speaker 15: to speak to a trait that a lot of Muslims

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Speaker 15: have is you'd have to pick out some doctrinal commitment,

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Speaker 15: you know, some belief that should be contestable in a

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Speaker 15: free democracy.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 15: There's nothing distinctive ethnically or racially distinctive about being Muslim.

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Speaker 15: As we said, it's simply whether or not you sign

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Speaker 15: up to a belief system. And so what it's doing

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Speaker 15: is it's protecting that belief system, protecting the identity that

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Speaker 15: you have in virtue of signing up to the belief.

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Speaker 6: It's an ideological belief. And then you say you can't

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Speaker 6: stereotype a belief systemized, Well what is what is it?

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Speaker 7: Then?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but what about you know, genital mutilation of

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Speaker 1: young girls that tends to be something that happens in

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Speaker 1: Muslim African nations. What about the grooming gangs, you know

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Speaker 1: that tend to be centralized within a particular immigrant group

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Speaker 1: that happened to be Muslims. So then all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these get very sticky. Yes, these

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Speaker 1: are absolutely right.

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Speaker 15: I mean what's interesting about that is that ironically this

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Speaker 15: legislation could you make people think that criticism about grooming

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Speaker 15: gangs or criticism about female genital mutilation is something somehow

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Speaker 15: a widespread shared Islamic belief, But it's not.

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Speaker 14: It's actually, you know, certainly the grooming.

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Speaker 15: Gangs come from very particular of Pakistan, and FGM is,

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Speaker 15: you know, localized in parts of Sub Saharan Africa.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick radio break. We'll be

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Speaker 1: So tell us establish yourself, your bona fides. What do

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Speaker 1: you do?

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Speaker 14: Who are you?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 15: My main job vacation is in academia. So I'm an

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Speaker 15: Associate Professor of Philosophy Religion at Cambridge in England, where

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Speaker 15: I teach undergraduates. I teach graduate students PhD students, so

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Speaker 15: I love doing that. But I have another day job

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Speaker 15: now where I was senior advisor to Nigel Farage, leader

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Speaker 15: Reform UK. And and we are all expecting our next

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Speaker 15: prime minister twenty nine. Well, twenty eighty nine is the

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Speaker 15: latest that the election can be called, and I'm not

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Speaker 15: sure the country can last that long, but it's possible

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Speaker 15: that the government will fall before that. We're good at

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Speaker 15: getting very good at getting rid of prime ministers. Getting

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Speaker 15: rid of governments is a lot harder. Yeah, okay, So

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Speaker 15: Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, which you have to vote

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Speaker 15: for the government to fall, even if they.

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Speaker 1: Hate the head Turkey. Yeah, yeah, exactly, we do do

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Speaker 1: do We do Turkey at Christmas too, but it's more

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Speaker 1: of a thanks. I don't know. Anyways, we're going to

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Speaker 1: welcome back Radio more with doctor James or in two

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Speaker 1: seconds all right, no stra damis or when would you

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Speaker 1: predict that we're actually going to be able to vote

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Speaker 1: again in the UK? Is it going to be twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty nine or you predict before?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean the first thing to say is that

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Speaker 15: we've got what Nigel is calling our mid terms of

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Speaker 15: an American phrase, but we have got a big set

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Speaker 15: of regional local devolved elections next May, so the whole

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Speaker 15: of Wales gets to vote for its local parliament. Same

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Speaker 15: in Scotland. And then there's thousands of seats around Greater

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Speaker 15: London and all around England that are going to be

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Speaker 15: up for grabs and we're expecting a turquoise tsunami. We're

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Speaker 15: expecting a reform UK to do extremely well in all

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Speaker 15: of those elections, and that will be the last time

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Speaker 15: that the British people get to express their democratic will

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Speaker 15: before the next general election. The latest that can be

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Speaker 15: constitutionally is the first week of August twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 15: and it could be the Keir Starmer. Many people don't

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Speaker 15: think he's going to be Prime Minister for that much longer,

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Speaker 15: but whatever, whoever, his success would have until the first

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Speaker 15: week of August twenty twenty nine, but it could be

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Speaker 15: that something happens before that. We're expecting a recession, we're

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Speaker 15: expecting perhaps a very tight credit squeeze before twenty twenty nine,

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Speaker 15: so it's not impossible that we'd be looking at a

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Speaker 15: general election twenty twenty seven. I think I'm probably more

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Speaker 15: inclined to say it's going to be twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 15: I think the last hundred years the British government's fallen

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Speaker 15: maybe once. You know, when you change Prime Minister, you

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Speaker 15: don't change the British government. You just change the leader

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Speaker 15: of the party who's got the majority in Parliament.

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Speaker 6: And it just seems to me I can't figure out

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Speaker 6: why Labor would call an election just to get killed.

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Speaker 14: It exactly as they said earlier.

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Speaker 15: You know, Turkeys don't vote for Christmas, even if they

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Speaker 15: hate their head Turkey, which they do. And indeed, the

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Speaker 15: whole of the British Left is Turkey, the whole, but

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Speaker 15: pretty bland definitely. But yeah, the whole of the British

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Speaker 15: left now is really cannibalizing itself. It's it's splintering off

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Speaker 15: into all kinds of different movements. We've seen for the

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Speaker 15: first time ever really the Green Party now getting into

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Speaker 15: well into double digits in the polls.

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Speaker 1: Could we get Green versus reform as it's not unthinkable,

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Speaker 1: it's not especially what we have in the United States,

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Speaker 1: this mega versus Mandani, right, yeah.

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Speaker 15: I mean so it's very very interesting seeing the parallels

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Speaker 15: between somebody like Mandani and Zach Polanski, who is this

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Speaker 15: the new leader of the Green Party. And it's growing

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Speaker 15: very very fast as a party. It was easy, I

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Speaker 15: think you only pay like five pounds to get in,

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Speaker 15: so it probably be quite easy to to do some

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Speaker 15: entryism and maybe hijack the Green Party. But as far

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Speaker 15: as we're concerned, it's it's it's fantastic. You know, may

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Speaker 15: may many flowers on the British left bloom because it's

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Speaker 15: basically fracturing the vote between you know, you've got you know,

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Speaker 15: sort of the focus on well, I mean, there are

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Speaker 15: you focus on the crescent. You might say, there's a

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Speaker 15: focus on the rainbow, there's a focus on the star

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Speaker 15: with the old socialists. So it's this is not going

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Speaker 15: to not get to work out well, and the cracks

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Speaker 15: are emerging. The Parliamentary Labor Party is very welfareist, very

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Speaker 15: very statist. Starmer tried to get a tiny little haircut

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Speaker 15: five billion pounds off our ballooning three hundred billion pounds

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Speaker 15: a year welfare bill and he couldn't get it through

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Speaker 15: even though he had a majority in Parliament of about

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Speaker 15: one hundreds seventy five seats. So and then that's the most,

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Speaker 15: you know, just just a very very tiny, very very

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Speaker 15: small exercise of kind of restraining our public expenditure. So, yeah, things,

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Speaker 15: things are not looking good on that side of on

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Speaker 15: that on that side of British politics, and on the right, yes,

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Speaker 15: that they are supposed to. So they're also figures popping up.

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Speaker 15: There's a Tommy Robinson's groupe, at Low's, there's Ben Habeeves.

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Speaker 15: It's really interesting figures on the right. So it's not

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Speaker 15: like we're completely unified, but that's where the energy is.

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Speaker 15: I think there's a feeling that that's where the policy

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Speaker 15: energy is, that's where the people are, it's where the

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Speaker 15: best ideas are fizzing on the right.

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Speaker 1: So we just.

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Speaker 6: Discussed with Steve Dais and our last guest about the

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Speaker 6: recurring Republican problem of elect people to restrict immigration or

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Speaker 6: do other bold things and they just get these feed

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Speaker 6: of Clay in office. So I suppose one obvious concern

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Speaker 6: is reform wins a landslide twenty seven or twenty nine.

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Speaker 6: Do they have the stones to go through with big

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Speaker 6: immigration cutback or moratorium or are there big sweeping things

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Speaker 6: or is there going to be a lot of are

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Speaker 6: people going to worse out at the at the brink?

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Speaker 15: Somebody told me, I think it was about a year

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Speaker 15: ago that the process there's a name for that process,

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Speaker 15: what happens to you as you go in and the

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Speaker 15: melonification malonification, which I think actually in retrospect is probably

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Speaker 15: unfair to Georgia and Maloney who is reputed to have

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Speaker 15: come in with talking tough on migration and then actually

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Speaker 15: folded as soon as she as soon as she got in.

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Speaker 15: But actually I think if you look at her numbers,

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Speaker 15: what she's done, at her track record, it's been pretty impressive.

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Speaker 14: So it's going to be very, very challenging.

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Speaker 15: We're going to be up against one of them, you know,

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Speaker 15: one of the most effective blobs as it were, as

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Speaker 15: you call it in England in the world, is enormous inertia,

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Speaker 15: huge resistance probably to almost all of our program despite

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Speaker 15: we're having widespread popular support across all the different parties

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Speaker 15: get regaining control of our borders. So it's going to

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Speaker 15: be extremely difficult. We're going to be up against the

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Speaker 15: judicial industrial complex, the human rights lawyer.

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Speaker 1: I'm very fascinated. That was actually my question about legally,

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Speaker 1: what are you guys going to because we Trump gets

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Speaker 1: stopped at every judge, every district judge, with a gavel

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Speaker 1: in a robe, and I can only imagine, just knowing

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Speaker 1: the nature somewhat of the English intelligentsia, that you're going

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Speaker 1: to be up against a real stiff fight. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: have Todd Nettleton from Voice of the Martyrs join us

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Speaker 1: as well, so there be four of us. We'll be

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Speaker 1: right back right.

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Speaker 11: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 11: Terrence Bates. President Trump is scheduled to deliver an address

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Speaker 11: to the nation tonight from the White House. We're expecting

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Speaker 11: the President to discuss the blockade of oil tankers into Venezuela,

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Speaker 11: as well as the potential retaliation against Syria for the

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Speaker 11: killings of two American soldiers over the weekend. In fact,

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Speaker 11: as we speak to President and First Lady headed to Dover, Delaware,

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Speaker 11: where they're expected to arrive any minute now to receive

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Speaker 11: the bodies of those two Iowa National guardsmen during a

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Speaker 11: dignified transfer ceremony. You can see the President boarding Marine

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Speaker 11: one here heading towards Dover, Delaware again for that dignified

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Speaker 11: transfer service. The Commander in Chief left the White House

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Speaker 11: in the last hour or so to make his way

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Speaker 11: north for that ceremony. Sergeants Edgar Torres Tovar and William

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Speaker 11: Nate Howard were killed in that attack on their convoy

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Speaker 11: in Syria. Howard's younger brother, Sergeant James Rose Guard, was

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Speaker 11: also deployed with the Iowa National Guard. We're told that

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Speaker 11: he will escort his brother's body home. The moment that happens.

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Speaker 11: We'll try to take you their lives so that you

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Speaker 11: can experience this. It's a ceremony, this transfer ceremony again

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Speaker 11: President Trump. Iowa Senator Chuck Grassi also expected to be

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Speaker 11: on site. We'll take you there for it the moment

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Speaker 11: it happens. Meantime, President Trump's White House Chief of Staff

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Speaker 11: Susie Wilds raising eyebrows. Following your a series of interviews

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Speaker 11: with Vanity Fair, the author of the article, says that

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Speaker 11: Wiles describes the president as having an alcoholics personality and

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Speaker 11: an eye for vengeance against perceived enemies. The article also

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Speaker 11: quotes Wiles is saying that Attorney General Pam Bondi quote

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Speaker 11: completely whiffed her early handling of the Epstein files. In all,

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Speaker 11: the article highlights Wiles's supposed takes of takes of tensions

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Speaker 11: and missteps within the administration thus far into the president's

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Speaker 11: second administration. However, Wiles is pushing back against the reporting,

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Speaker 11: saying that it is a quote disingenuously framed hit piece

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Speaker 11: on me and the finest president, white House staff, and

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Speaker 11: cabinet in history. Will of course continue to study all

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Speaker 11: of that and continue to follow all of that for you.

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Speaker 11: Will also monitor the situation in Dover, Delaware. Is President

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Speaker 11: Trump is headed that way to receive the bodies of

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Speaker 11: those two guards Iowa National guardsmen who are killed in Syria.

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Speaker 8: That's in fact, first America First. Welcome back to the

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Speaker 8: Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We've

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Speaker 1: got a full house here, Doctor James or Blake Nef myself,

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Speaker 1: and we're about to bring in one more. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about the persecuted Church, which I'm is a

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Speaker 1: very important topic, very near and dear to my heart.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm going to tell you about our friends

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Speaker 1: over at TikTok. Good conversation is about respect. It's how

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Speaker 1: we create a space where people are able to share

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Speaker 1: their ideas and be heard. Charlie understood this turning point,

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Speaker 1: knows this, and TikTok has always strived to build that

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Speaker 1: kind of place that thrives on respectful connection, where curiosity

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Speaker 1: fuels a real important conversation. On TikTok, you can find

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Speaker 1: a mechanic explaining the why behind a problem most of

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Speaker 1: us wouldn't even have a name for, or a father

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Speaker 1: sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers. Ers who listen, discuss,

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Speaker 1: and then they respond. TikTok turns connection into community through

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Speaker 1: small acts of understanding. You can feel it in the

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Speaker 1: comments and the thank you from a stranger halfway across

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Speaker 1: the world. TikTok is a place where respect opens the

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Speaker 1: door for discussion, and discussion helps us build something real

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Speaker 1: and meaningful. Portions of the Charlie Kirkshaw are brought to

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Speaker 1: in part by TikTok joining us now is Todd Nettleton,

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Speaker 1: author of When Faith Is Forbidden. He's also the voice

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Speaker 1: of the Martyrs radio host Todd. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you. Yeah, honored to be with you.

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Speaker 1: You're also joined by doctor James Or from Cambridge and

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Speaker 1: this is an issue near and dear to his heart

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Speaker 1: as well. So we're gonna have a fun, well not

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Speaker 1: of fun. It's a serious and important conversation. You have

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Speaker 1: been traveling around interviewing persecuted Christians in South Asia, and

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people a lot of discussion

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Speaker 1: right now is about Nigeria. This is kind of if

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Speaker 1: you're going to talk about this topic, that's where you're

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Speaker 1: focused on. But you know there are other areas of

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Speaker 1: the world that we need to be aware of where

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Speaker 1: Christians are being persecuted actively. Right now, please tell us

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Speaker 1: about some of your stories out of South Asia.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, one of the things we heard repeatedly in South

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Speaker 16: Asia was stories of Christians being affected by the anti

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Speaker 16: conversion laws in India. So multiple states now twelve states

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Speaker 16: in India have past laws that make it illegal to

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Speaker 16: change your religion and illegal to encourage someone else to

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Speaker 16: change their religion. So right now in India. There are

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Speaker 16: dozens of pastors in prison under these anti conversion laws.

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Speaker 16: And one of the interesting things is the inducement, the

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Speaker 16: idea of inducing someone to change their faith is illegal.

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Speaker 8: We actually had an interview.

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Speaker 16: And we've aired it now on Voice the Martist radio

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Speaker 16: with a human rights attorney who is talking about if

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Speaker 16: you set up donuts and coffee before your church service,

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Speaker 16: the government can come in and say, hey, that's an

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Speaker 16: illegal inducement. You're giving donuts in coffee away. You're tricking

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Speaker 16: people into changing their religion. That's the kind of silliness

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Speaker 16: that these laws are based on. Here's the other thing, though,

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Speaker 16: it is not illegal to reconvert someone to Hinduism. In fact,

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Speaker 16: an Indian member of parliament just in the last few

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Speaker 16: weeks has presided over what they call a reconversion ceremony,

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Speaker 16: reconverting people back to Hinduism. They can do that by force.

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Speaker 16: But if a Christian invites you to church, if the

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Speaker 16: Christian gives you donuts and coffee, that's an illegal inducement

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Speaker 16: to change your religion.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So twelve states had to look this up. There's

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Speaker 1: twenty eight states in India, so we're at nearly half

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Speaker 1: of the country of India it is now illegal. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know population, you know what percentage of the

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Speaker 1: population that would make up, but that is striking, especially

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Speaker 1: for a British former British run colony, if you will.

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Speaker 14: But so.

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Speaker 1: When did that start changing. I'm curious when did that

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Speaker 1: those laws start passing.

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Speaker 16: Well, they really took a lot of momentum when Prime

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Speaker 16: Minister Modi, who is come out of this Hindu nationalist

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Speaker 16: movement called the RSS, that is his background. He's the

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Speaker 16: Prime Minister of the whole country of India, and so

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Speaker 16: he has brought that philosophy to the highest levels of

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Speaker 16: the Indian government. Now they have talked about a national

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Speaker 16: anti conversion law. So far that has not happened, but

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Speaker 16: there are individual states where they have passed these anti

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Speaker 16: conversion laws. And when they talk about it, it sounds

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Speaker 16: like a good idea, like, hey, we don't want people

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Speaker 16: to be bribed or forced to change their religion. And

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Speaker 16: I think all of us would say, yeah, that's.

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Speaker 7: True, we don't want that.

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Speaker 1: But then, like I say, when you get to what

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Speaker 1: the law actually.

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Speaker 16: Says, and some of the laws, there's one state that says,

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Speaker 16: if you want to change your religion, you need.

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Speaker 1: To go before a magistrate and say that you're going

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Speaker 1: to change your religion.

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Speaker 16: And if you want to talk to someone else about

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Speaker 16: changing their religion what us Christians would call evangelism, you

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Speaker 16: need to go before a magistrate six months before you

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Speaker 16: have that conversation, and you need to appear and say, hey,

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Speaker 16: in six months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor

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Speaker 16: about coming to church with me. I just want to

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Speaker 16: get your okay, mister magistrate. And it's like you read

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Speaker 16: that and you're like, that's that's ludicrous.

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Speaker 1: No, no one could do that.

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Speaker 8: No one would do that, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 16: So when you have that conversation, then they can come

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Speaker 16: in and say, well, hey, six months ago you didn't

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Speaker 16: go to the magistrate.

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Speaker 8: That was illegal. You're going off to jail.

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Speaker 14: You've you know.

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Speaker 1: It kind of makes me think of this story that's

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Speaker 1: kind of percolating and we haven't talked about it yet,

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Speaker 1: but Mark Warren Walker from North Carolina, he's a Trump's

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Speaker 1: nominee for religious freedom and he's just been waiting for

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Speaker 1: a committee hearing, so we can't seem to get that through.

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Speaker 1: He's getting blocked apparently by a political form of political foe.

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Speaker 1: But these are the types of stories we need to

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Speaker 1: be educated on about why those types of posts are

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Speaker 1: so important within the Trump administration. Let's let's kind of

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Speaker 1: keep going around the map here. So we talked about

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Speaker 1: South Asia. There's issues in Central Asia, there's obviously Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: Highlight the stories that you think are our audience needs

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Speaker 1: to hear most well.

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Speaker 16: I think of Nigeria. Obviously it's in the news. Just

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Speaker 16: on Sunday there was another raid on a church. Thirteen

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Speaker 16: Christians kidnapped out of their church. Right now, we don't

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Speaker 16: know was this Boko Haram? Was this isis West Africa province?

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Speaker 16: Was it just a criminal gang that wants ransom. They're

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Speaker 16: trying to fund raise and so they're kidnapping people for

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Speaker 16: ransom right now, we.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that.

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Speaker 16: But this is happening again and again and again, and

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Speaker 16: I think at some point you start to ask the question, well,

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Speaker 16: is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of

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Speaker 16: attacks or do they not have the will to stop

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Speaker 16: these kinds of attacks? And those are valid questions. Since

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Speaker 16: President Trump named Nigeria as a Country of Particular Concern

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Speaker 16: earlier this year, it's going to be really interesting to

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Speaker 16: see how the State Department plays that out and what

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Speaker 16: tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria. Again, typically

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Speaker 16: it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuting Christians.

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Speaker 16: It is these terrorist groups, it is Islamis from among

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Speaker 16: the Fulani tribe, it is other sort of smaller players.

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Speaker 16: So it's going to be interesting to see how that

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Speaker 16: CPC status plays out and how the State Department sort

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Speaker 16: of acts that out in our relationship with Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: Well. And one of the more surprising things. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've heard this story, doctor Orr, but Nicki Minaj,

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Speaker 1: of all people, has been helping raise awareness. You can

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Speaker 1: throw up two sixty two. She's been she ga have

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Speaker 1: a keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing

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Speaker 1: of Christians in Nigeria. She's been working, willing to work

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Speaker 1: with the Trump administration to raise awareness on this.

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Speaker 7: I mean, this is a I have to say.

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Speaker 1: I've not traditionally been a fan of the rapper known

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Speaker 1: as Nicki Minaj, but I mean good for her. How

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Speaker 1: many Christians have been silent, how many conservatives have been

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Speaker 1: silent about the persecution of the Christian church in Nigeria,

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Speaker 1: the slaughter of Christians, and then Nicki Minaj comes here

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Speaker 1: and she helps make it a national news story, an

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Speaker 1: international news story. It already was one, but raising the

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Speaker 1: profile of that story. Have you've seen movement even at

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Speaker 1: Voice of the Martyrs since she's gotten involved.

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Speaker 16: Oh, it is interesting to have other voices that you

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Speaker 16: weren't expecting. Bill Maher did the same thing, raising the

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Speaker 16: issue of Nigerian persecution.

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Speaker 7: So you have Bill Maher and you have Nicki.

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Speaker 16: Minaj and if you have President Trump all talking about

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Speaker 16: the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, I don't think any

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Speaker 16: of us would have predicted that at the beginning of

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Speaker 16: this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's take our sites to Syria. There's kind of

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Speaker 1: conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted

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Speaker 1: in Syria as well. What can you tell us there?

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Speaker 16: Well, the Syrian government, the new Syrian government now almost

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Speaker 16: a year old, a year since the fall of Bashir

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Speaker 16: al Asad, they're in Syria. What they have said to

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Speaker 16: the rest of the world is we want religious freedom.

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Speaker 16: We want a Syria that is safe for every religion.

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Speaker 16: We know that there are Syrians who are Christians. And

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Speaker 16: then there are Syrians who are Drews and there are

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Speaker 16: Syrians who are Muslim and we want to all live

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Speaker 16: together in peace, and the rest of the world here's that,

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Speaker 16: and we're like, yes, that's great, we want that too.

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Speaker 16: What they're saying, though, inside Syria is very different, and

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Speaker 16: we have had contact with Syrian pastors who are hearing

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Speaker 16: from the government or hearing from the soldiers.

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Speaker 8: You Christians just.

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Speaker 16: You wait, wait till we get our feet on the ground,

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Speaker 16: wait till we get our government established. Then we're going

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Speaker 16: to take care of you. So what they're telling the

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Speaker 16: rest of the world the Syrian government is not what

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Speaker 16: they're telling Christians living inside Syria, and Christians there are

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Speaker 16: understandably very concerned. If you're a father or a mother

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Speaker 16: and you have young children in Syria and you're a

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Speaker 16: Christian right now, you're asking yourself every single day is

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Speaker 16: it safe for our children? Is it safe to raise

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Speaker 16: our children here? Or should we try to go somewhere else.

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Speaker 16: That's a huge challenge and that's just reality of following

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Speaker 16: Christ right now in Syria.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a thank you for that update, and you

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Speaker 1: know it occurs to me and you guys kind of

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Speaker 1: flag this for us is that during the Christmas season,

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Speaker 1: persecution of Christians actually increases. So you know, for our

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Speaker 1: audience listening, what do they need to know about that?

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Speaker 1: Why is that a thing? And what can they do

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Speaker 1: to help?

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Speaker 16: Well, if you hate Christians, if you hate the Gospel,

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01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 16: what better time to make a statement like that than

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Speaker 16: on the day Christians are celebrating the birth of Christ.

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Speaker 16: So Christians have been targeted in recent years in Democratic

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01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:55,839
Speaker 16: Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt.

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Speaker 16: And so we want Christians here in America. As you

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Speaker 16: gather around the table, as you are with your family,

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Speaker 16: as you're with your loved ones, we hope that you'll

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Speaker 16: remember to pray for Christians who live in hostilarias and

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01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 16: restricted nations. They are at more risk around the Christmas season,

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01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 16: more risk around Christian Holy days.

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Speaker 1: And so as we gather together in safety.

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Speaker 16: Let's pray for the members of our spiritual family who

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01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,639
Speaker 16: don't have that safety and just pray that God will

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01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 16: protect them and during this Christmas season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we have a URL here as well that

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure we put up, and it's

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Speaker 1: vom dot org slash Charlie vom dot org slash Charlie. So,

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Speaker 1: if you want to be a voice for religious freedom,

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01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: if you want to stand with your brothers and sisters

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01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: in Christ around the globe that are facing persecution and

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01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: in some cases genocide, please please please this Christmas season

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01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,040
Speaker 1: when they need you the most, consider being a part

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01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing. We love

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01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 1: this organization, we love what they're doing, and Todd, I just,

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Speaker 1: you know, really really appreciate you highlighting these areas of

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01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:10,719
Speaker 1: the world where we need to be praying. We should

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01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: be praying for the persecuted church. We should be doing

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Speaker 1: what we can to contribute financially, especially right now. And

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Speaker 1: you know, final words to you, Todd before we hit

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Speaker 1: the break.

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Speaker 16: Well, when you come to that website, we'd love to

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01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 16: send you a free book that has stories of persecuted Christians.

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Speaker 16: And this is a way to be inspired all year

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01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 16: long as you read the stories of people who would

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01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:38,599
Speaker 16: rather go to prison, or rather be beaten, or rather

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01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 16: be killed than deny their faith in Christ. I think

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01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 16: there's great lessons and great inspiration for all of us

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Speaker 16: who are Christians in these stories.

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Speaker 1: That is vom dot org slash Charlie to get involved,

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Speaker 1: help out. Thank you so much, Todd God bless.

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Speaker 14: You, thank you. We'll be back.

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Speaker 8: One hundred percent American Maid and darn proud of it.

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Speaker 8: The Charlie Creek Show.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome back. What is the I mean? So

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Speaker 1: we're talking about persecution all over sort of the developing

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Speaker 1: world Asia, Central Asia, Africa, the Middle East? Certainly, what's

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Speaker 1: the state of Christendom in Europe in the UK?

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Speaker 15: Well, I guess it's post Christendom. And you could say

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Speaker 15: maybe the story of Europe in the twentieth century, maybe

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Speaker 15: even the nineteenth centuries, how to put Humpty Dumpty back

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Speaker 15: together again after the fall of Christendom, look after the

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Speaker 15: fall of the Holy Roman Empire. And you could think

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Speaker 15: of even the European Union as an attempt to come

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Speaker 15: up with some sort of secular sequel to Christendom, like

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Speaker 15: a way of trying to, you know, bind Europe together

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Speaker 15: into us a single collective entity. But I remember back

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Speaker 15: in two thousand and four five when they trying to

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Speaker 15: push through a constitution on the EU, there was an

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Speaker 15: attempt made to make reference to just the Christian and

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Speaker 15: Jewish inheritance of Europe as well as the Hellenic and

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Speaker 15: Enlightenment ones, and there was a huge political battle over it,

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Speaker 15: and in the end they said, nope, we're not making

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Speaker 15: any mention of it at all. So that's the sort

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Speaker 15: of broad context across Europe, you might say.

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Speaker 14: In Britain itself, you.

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Speaker 15: Know, there's evidence, I think some evidence that there's been

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Speaker 15: a quiet revival over the last five years, big spikes

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Speaker 15: in Bible buying, big spikes in commitment to God at

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Speaker 15: least some kind of spirituality. So there is some interesting,

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Speaker 15: interesting science. But broadly speaking, the institutional church, the Church

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Speaker 15: of England, has chronically failed Christians in Britain, in England

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Speaker 15: for many, many years now on all of the really

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Speaker 15: sort of hot button political issues. It's taken aside. Now,

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Speaker 15: you know, that's not something that the church should should

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Speaker 15: really be doing it certainly shouldn't be doing it as

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Speaker 15: aggressively as it has been doing it. I was saying

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Speaker 15: to somebody the other day that actually, you know, the

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Speaker 15: bishops in the House of Lords are voting more often

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Speaker 15: against the Conservative government than the Labor Party. My friend,

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Speaker 15: my friend Ed West calls Britain, he says, with the

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Speaker 1: Uh that you know, perhaps we'll be it'll make sense

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Speaker 1: to do that in the future, but they were very

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01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: they've been very gracious. They wanted to keep this show

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01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 1: on the radio. Our team chose to kind of go

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01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,799
Speaker 1: a different route and do a little bit more streaming

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01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: focused and real America's voice. So the live show is

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01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: going to continue. Nothing's going to change in many many ways,

1723
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,720
Speaker 1: but very excited for our friends Scott Jennings, who's going

1724
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: to take on an additional hour, and Alex Marlow will

1725
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,760
Speaker 1: take on the it's gonna be Alex in the twelve

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01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: to one, and then Scott Jennings will be one, two, three,

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01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: and that's he's co emphasize that there there are good friend.

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01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,479
Speaker 1: They're a good friend on a hostile They gave us

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01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:49,640
Speaker 1: the option and we opted to not do that. You know,

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01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,519
Speaker 1: we're we're sort of in this brave new world of

1731
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 1: the show, and you know, we have to make decisions

1732
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,800
Speaker 1: about what fits the people that are around right now.

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01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: And and this is something Charlie and I had talked

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01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: a lot about for a long time and kind of

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01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 1: the future direction. So for us, this feels like we're

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01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 1: staying true to the things that Charlie wanted and the

1737
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: last conversations we had about the direction of the show.

1738
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: But the show is for all intents and purposes. You

1739
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:17,720
Speaker 1: can still streaming Real America's Voice podcast. All of those

1740
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,920
Speaker 1: things will stay the same. Rumble. Wherever you watch the

1741
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: show or pick up the show or get the clips

1742
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: on YouTube or whatever, we'll stay the same. But just

1743
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: that radio portion is going to be shifting. And I

1744
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 1: won't get into the minutia, but we appreciate Salem. It's

1745
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: been an amazing radio run and we are so excited

1746
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,479
Speaker 1: for Alex Marlow, who's an amazing friend, and Scott Jennings

1747
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 1: to do what they do there. So with the little

1748
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 1: bit of housekeeping out of the way. I actually didn't

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01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,040
Speaker 1: know that was coming out this morning. I thought it

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01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,600
Speaker 1: was going to be tomorrow morning, so that's why we

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01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't get to it yet. But anyway, so the final

1752
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 1: segment here, we've only got about two minutes left. You're

1753
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna be at Amfest. What does a British man do

1754
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:03,679
Speaker 1: surrounded by tens of thousands of conservative America.

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01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 15: Well, actually, you know what, I've had some practice because

1756
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 15: I was at Charlie's memorial. I managed to make it

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01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 15: over in time from England and that was if it's

1758
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 15: anything like that, I'm deaf really looking forward to am

1759
01:32:14,760 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 15: First and Charlie invited me back in August and I

1760
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 15: just assumed that it wouldn't happen, and I but it did.

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01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 15: I'm just thrilled to be here. And I remember saying

1762
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 15: what is Amfirst? And he explained to me what it was.

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01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 15: And then I said, well, well you want me to speak?

1764
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 15: What do you want me to say? He said, I know,

1765
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 15: I know exactly what you're going to say, don't worry,

1766
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 15: I'll tell I'll tell you exactly what to say. I'll

1767
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,680
Speaker 15: write a speech for you. And I never followed up

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01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 15: with him, so but I'm just thrilled to be here

1769
01:32:39,400 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 15: and I hope I can honor him on stage and

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Speaker 15: honor him with the various debates that I'm privileged to

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01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 15: be moderating.

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01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 14: So yeah, I can't can't wait.

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Speaker 15: We don't do that kind of thing in England and

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01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,880
Speaker 15: to just and yet yeah, maybe this is something we

1775
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,680
Speaker 15: could bring over. But yeah, the energy, the momentum, the

1776
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 15: sense of excitement that the vision that's just holding the

1777
01:32:57,520 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 15: movement together is just or inspiring and it's just great

1778
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,320
Speaker 15: for us to bring back, as I've said before, bring

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01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 15: back some kertchews.

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01:33:04,280 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 14: To uh To to Britain.

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01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 1: Well, and and you're gonna have Reform Fest, obviously that's

1782
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:13,160
Speaker 1: gonna be And then you're gonna you're gonna have what

1783
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and your mentee is gonna be there. He's gonna be

1784
01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: finishing up, he's gonna be finishing he's gonna be the

1785
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:23,040
Speaker 1: final speaker on Sunday. And of course I mean jd Vance.

1786
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:24,640
Speaker 1: There was there was a bit of an insight Joe

1787
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: Well it's not an insight. It's been published, but uh

1788
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: an unfortunate headline about your relationship with JD Vance Vice

1789
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:36,200
Speaker 1: President Jady Vance, who's amazing. He's uh gonna be We're

1790
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: grateful to have him on the on the Sunday.

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Speaker 15: So it would be a great, great climax to a

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01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 15: fantastic event. Yeah, it's it's truly truly gonna be something.

1793
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: And you'll see the rowdiness and the different different ideas

1794
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: and the different factions and facets of the conservative movement,

1795
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: but this is what it's all about, bringing everybody together

1796
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 1: and let's have the debates, but let's be unified, and

1797
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 1: let's let's kick off our our push into twenty twenty

1798
01:34:00,280 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: six on a high note. And that would there's no

1799
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:03,799
Speaker 1: better way to do that than to remember the incredible

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01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: legacy of Charlie Kirk. And so we're looking forward to it.

1801
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 1: It's going to be a bittersweet, but Charlie would want

1802
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:12,599
Speaker 1: us to make the most of it. Thank you, doctor.

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Speaker 1: Great to be with you, but we'll see you tomorrow.