1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,239 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I'm Katie Kuric and this is next question. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: So I've written this memoir. It's out in just a 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: few weeks, and as you might imagine, the process has 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: really forced me to put my life in perspective. What 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: I've realized is that when I look back at all 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: of it, there's one moment that stands out as the 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: thing I'm most proud of, and that is a pretty 8 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: little colon. That's right showing the inside of my colon 9 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: on morning television. Put the scope in yet they do 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: really okay, good, that's a good sign. We're doing it. 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: We're almost standing up there. And how there is a 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: lot I've done in the fight against colorectal cancer, the 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: number two cancer killer of men and women combined. I've 14 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: raised hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yay established the Monahan Center, 15 00:00:55,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: a comprehensive gastro intestinal cancer center at New York Presbyterian Hospital, 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: where my husband j was treated, and co founded Stand 17 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: Up to Cancer. But when I filmed my first colonoscopy 18 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,479 Speaker 1: and aired it on the Today Show, that up close 19 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: and personal view of my insides had an almost immediate impact. 20 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: It prompted a lot of people to call their doctors 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: and get screened. In fact, there was actually a study 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: done on it. The University of Michigan found a increase 23 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: in colonoscopies as a result of my segment. They actually 24 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: called it, yes, the current effect. It's sharing the news, 25 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: it's sharing the information so it doesn't happen to other 26 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: people and they catch it. Senator Amy Klovichar knows when 27 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. In early September, the Minnesota Democrat revealed 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: that back in February, she was diagnosed with stage one 29 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: breast cancer. She had a lumpectome to remove the cancer 30 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: and then radiation. By August, her doctor said her treatment 31 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: had gone well, but now she's on a mission to 32 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 1: share her story and how it could have easily gone 33 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: another way. It's been so just amazing to hear all 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: the stories that people have written me. They've called I'm 35 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: sure you had this when you, you know, went on 36 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: the show and you did the colonoscopy and you made 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: very clear that everyone should do this. You shocked people 38 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: into thinking differently about it. And so the stories of 39 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: people getting their exams going in has been incredibly rewarding, 40 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: made it all worth it, and I'm wearing pink today 41 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 1: to remind everyone breast camp their month, Go in get 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: your screening. Breast cancer is the most common form of 43 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: cancer among women. In fact, every year more than two 44 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand women are diagnosed in the US, 45 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and like so many cancers, early detection can be life saving. 46 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: But with the pandemic, there's been an alarming drop in 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: breast cancer screenings down eighty seven percent. That's right, seven 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: compared to pre pandemic numbers. For Senator Klobuchar, that statistic 49 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: isn't all that surprising. Like so many women, Katie, I 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: put it off. I put it off through the pandemic 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: UM And at first that made sense, right because they 52 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: didn't have there were a lot of routine things weren't 53 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: going on. But after a while there was really no 54 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: excuse except that I kind of just put it off. 55 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: And then when I went in and got this routine 56 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: mammogram is when I found out that I had stage 57 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: one a breast cancer UM And I got that call. 58 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: And you know from your own life, and you've been 59 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: such a tremendous warrior to let people know how important 60 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: screenings are. UM after losing your husband and the whole story. 61 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. And by the way, I thought about 62 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: that a few times as this was going on. I 63 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: then got that call and they said, you know those 64 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: white spots that we saw, Um, it's actually cancer. And 65 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: then I immediately started talking to different doctor, has made 66 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: a plan, got a lump techt to me a few 67 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: months later, got the radiation two days after my dad 68 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: died because of the Senate schedule. It was so hard, 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: uh to figure this all out. But I got the 70 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: treatment in a timely manner, which was really good. UM. 71 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: But the exam I put off. And that's when I 72 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: found out that you know, one out of three women 73 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: are one out of three people put off exams, routine 74 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: exams during the pandemic, still putting them off, And UM, 75 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of women are walking around right now 76 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 1: with undetected breast cancer, which is really scary and UM. 77 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 1: So I've tried to using you as a model, Katie. 78 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: I've tried to, um, really talk about this in that 79 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: way to remind people how you can save lives just 80 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: by finding things out early. UM. And I was on 81 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 1: the COSP. I mean, I found it out, but I 82 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: should have gone in a year earlier. That's so true, 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: Senator closurance such an important message because so many people 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: will lose their battles because they weren't the beneficiaries of 85 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: early detection. And that is such a critically important message 86 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: to get out. The earlier things are found, the easier 87 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: they are to treat I mean, it's really as simple 88 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 1: as that. They say, my chances of getting it again 89 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: are just like the general population. I think that's the 90 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: miraculous nature of the treatments right now. One they can 91 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: tailor them depending on what stage it is and if 92 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: you need chemo or mass ecto me and the like. 93 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: And but the earlier they catch it, the better you are, 94 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: as you just said. And so I feel really good 95 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: about the diagnosis. But a few things during that time, 96 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: um that I realized. One, I was so grateful to 97 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: my family, so much gratitude because I actually decided I 98 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: wasn't going to disclose everything at that moment because my 99 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: dad was dying and I wanted a lot of the 100 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: focus on him. We had the investigation of the insurrection 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: at the Capitol, and I was in charge of that 102 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: with three other senators. I was in charge of the 103 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: hearings on the election bill, um, and there was just 104 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: a lot going on, and I didn't want it to 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: be about that about me. At that moment, I knew 106 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna make a public and so I've waited 107 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: till the end of the summer and did it then. 108 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: And that worked out for me. But when people public 109 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: officials are not when it starts to be a situation 110 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: where they can't go to work, of course they're gonna 111 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: explain it. Um. But I was able to work it 112 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: around that and not do it. But I so even 113 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: more so, I was so grateful to um my family 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: because they were like my husband getting up at four 115 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: am to take me to radiation days in a row. 116 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: The of course, the doctors and nurses, the perfect strangers 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: who didn't know that I had a lump tech to 118 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: me and I wasn't supposed to lift my luggage up. 119 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 1: When I flew back and forth between Minnesota d C. 120 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: I just stand there looking for Lauren and they'd be like, 121 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: can I help you? And so, you know, there were 122 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: a lot of nice things and moments I remember people 123 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: helping me out even when they didn't know they were 124 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: doing it. But you know, thinking about what was happening 125 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: in your life, your your sweet dad dying Jim Klobuchar 126 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: of course, um, a newspaper columnists, and I know you 127 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: all were very very close. It sounds like you had 128 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: the kind of relationship with your dad that I had 129 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: with my dad, UM, which I write a lot about. 130 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: But UM, you know, I think about all these stressors 131 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: going on at once, and honestly, I my heart is 132 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: racing a little bit just thinking about how you were 133 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: able to manage everything coming at you at once. How 134 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: were you able to manage all that well. I always 135 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: remember Jonathan McCain's last words to me, or the last 136 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: thing he pointed to. I visited him at his ranch 137 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: when he was dying and with Cindy, my husband, and 138 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: he couldn't really talk very much, and he pointed to 139 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: a word from his last a phrase where he said, 140 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,679 Speaker 1: there's nothing more liberating than fighting for a cause larger 141 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: than yourself. And for me, the work that I was 142 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: doing at that moment, the combination of that investigation, which 143 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: was focused on the security at the Capitol, now there's 144 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: a bigger one going on of course, about the root 145 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: causes and everything that happened, which needs to be investigated 146 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: over in the House. But that and then that election 147 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: bill um going on at the same time that we 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: had to get through the committee, we had to get 149 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: agreement with Center Mansion, which we did over the summer, 150 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: and we have the process in front of us. UM. 151 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: But that was a cause larger than anything happening to me. 152 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: So that was a lot of it. And then as 153 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: he said, my dad, he had this incredible life. He 154 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: did everything from you know, ride his bicycle around Lake 155 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:56,319 Speaker 1: Superior to um um, covering the Mafia funeral in Italy, 156 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: um to writing twenty three books um to climbing the 157 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: second highest mountain in Peru. I mean, he just had 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: this incredible life and he had Alzheimer's, so it was 159 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: this long goodbye and being there was important with someone 160 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: with Alzheimer's, which we couldn't do the year because the pandemic, 161 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 1: but being there at the end was important because um, 162 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: he you don't always know when someone with Alzheimer's is 163 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: gonna um start talking again or remember certain things, which 164 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: he often did sporadically. And the the funniest part of 165 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: some of the women who worked at the assistant living 166 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: who loved him so much. Uh, they were I think 167 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: liberian and they were learning English, and he they had 168 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: a dictionary next to his bed because he kept using 169 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: so many new words for them and long words, and 170 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: they would look them up and learned them. So it 171 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: was kind of cool. Leaves teaching to the end. When 172 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: we come back, I get curious about Capitol Hill, big Tech, 173 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: the January six insurrection, and yes, even election more with 174 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Senator Amy klovichar right after this, I'd love to ask 175 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: you about a couple of the things you mentioned, because 176 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: obviously I'm watching this investigation into January six unfold, people 177 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: refusing to testify. Do you think we're ever going to 178 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: get to the bottom of what exactly happened? And additionally, 179 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: do you think people will ever take it as seriously 180 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: or certain segments of the population will take it as 181 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: seriously as you believe they need to. That depends on 182 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: the next year. And some of my colleagues in the 183 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: Republican Party, you know, Liz Cheney has released stood up 184 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: and said we are a democracy. We may have disagreements, 185 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: but we are a democracy, and many of them haven't 186 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: said that, and I think as leaders, more and more 187 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: people need to do that. Um, everyone knows what happened 188 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: that day, of the insurrection, and in fact that night 189 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: it was really quite cathartic. While a few people voted 190 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: against the results of the electoral college, that was a 191 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:19,359 Speaker 1: very small number. In the Senate, over of them supported 192 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: the electoral college results, and then included some very conservative Republicans. 193 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: That was a moment the speeches people gave, some of 194 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: them who had been thinking otherwise, who had switched their 195 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 1: minds and switched their votes after what they'd seen that day. 196 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: Um and I thought, probably naively, and especially as we 197 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: got through the inauguration on that beautiful blue sky and 198 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: everyone there and every leader or the Republican Party from 199 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Mike Pence to Bush to Quail Um except in all 200 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 1: of the Congression leadership was there with the Democrat except 201 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: of course Donald Trump. Um. That I thought that we 202 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: were going to move on, and that just isn't happening. 203 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: When you look at public opinion polls, there's still a 204 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: number of people that believe that Donald Trump UM won 205 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: the election, and that is just wrong on every factual basis. 206 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: Every local elected official would tell you that, every Secretary 207 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: of State is just wrong. And so you know, it 208 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: is on us and the Republican Party is going to 209 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: have to have their own internal debate, and I think 210 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: that is why this investigation, the bipartisan went over in 211 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the House. Now we did our own in the Senate, 212 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: which was really focused on we need a new police chief. 213 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: We've gotten a new police chief. We need to have 214 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: better security plans, we have those. That's been witnessed by 215 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: some recent events. Um, we have to get more resources 216 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: to the police into the building, and we are doing 217 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: that and have done that. So their investigation is really 218 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: the root causes Trump's role. That's why these subpoenas are 219 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: going on in the like, and that's really important. You 220 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: can't just dust it, dust it away and throw it 221 00:12:58,240 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: under the rug man. You have to get to the 222 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: bottom of it so that history. At some point you're 223 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: going to have more and more people believing the truth. 224 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: And you don't do that if you hide the truth. 225 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: But do you think we will get to the bottom 226 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: of it or do you think it this committee constant Yeah, 227 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: constant obstruction? Yeah? No, I mean they're going to keep trying. 228 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: My favorite lately is that Steve Bannon, who wasn't even 229 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: in the White House at the time of the insurrection, 230 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: is claiming executive privilege I guess that means any intern 231 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: that ever worked in the White House can claim executive 232 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: privilege for the rest of their lives. I don't think 233 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: that's gonna work. So you know, that's the kind of 234 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: thing the House Committee is dealing with legally. Another issue 235 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: that you've been intimately involved with, of course, is the 236 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: Freedom to Vote Act as a compromise bill to the 237 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: For the People Act. Um. You know, some have said 238 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a watered down version. Other people have said 239 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: it's a necessary compromise without getting too much in the weed. 240 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: Senator Klobuchar, can you just talk briefly about a why 241 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: this had to be done, because you know, it's very 242 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: hard to keep up with all the maginations that are 243 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: going on on Capitol Hill, and I think part of 244 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: the problem is nobody really explains it simply for people 245 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: who aren't just covering it every hour inside the Beltway. 246 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: I have a job. I'm about to do it. So 247 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: the Freedom to Vote Act ensures that every American can 248 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: vote safely regardless of their zip code. Because right now 249 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: we've got states doing some really bad stuff and making 250 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: it hard to vote, limiting vote by mail, limiting mail 251 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: drop off boxes, in Georgia right now, they passed a 252 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: lot that says you have to put your birthdate on 253 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the outside of the envelope, and everyone messes up and 254 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: puts the day that they're filing the ballot. These things 255 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: are evil. They're meant to make it hard for people 256 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: to vote. So what we put in place in this 257 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: bill is federal standards that are minimal standards, but they 258 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 1: say things like you have to have early voting, you 259 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: have to be able to register um UH the same 260 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: day of the election, um and has some basic requirements 261 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: in place. The compromises we made have really been well 262 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: received from every editorial board to Stacy Abrahams Barack Obama 263 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: are supportive of this bill because it is really strong 264 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 1: and Center Mansion did work with me. I lead this bill. 265 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: Center Schumer brought us together eight Senators including Center Warnock 266 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: and Padilla Um and many others, and we came together 267 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: with this. So it is at its core about the 268 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: basic standards which the Constitution allows us to put in place. 269 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: It also has a really good prohibition on dark money 270 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: and allowing people to find out who's spending the money 271 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: when the campaigns aren't spending it, and those are really 272 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: the two main provisions, as well as some standards for 273 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: when they set up congressional districts. The bad thing is 274 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: called jerrymandering UM, and it has some standards in place 275 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: for that. So we're really proud of the bill. And 276 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: now after we have an agreement, Joe Manson's name is 277 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: on this bill. Now we have to figure out the 278 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: process and that gets us into these archaic Senate rules 279 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: about filibustering and the like. And my hope is that 280 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: we find a way through that process because state by 281 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: state there is an effort, which is a continuation of 282 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: January six to stop people from voting. In the words 283 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: of Reverend Senator Warnock and Georgia, some people don't want 284 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: some people to vote, and instead of changing their candidates 285 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: or their platforms or their messages, unfortunately right now there 286 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: are people in the Republican Party that said, you know, 287 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: we don't want to do that, So we're gonna try 288 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: to change the voters. We're gonna try to stop some 289 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: of the people that voted last time and make it harder. Georgia, 290 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: you can't vote on weekends during the runoff period. I mean, 291 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: all that was done to make it harder to vote. 292 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: You know, there have been a lot of articles, opinion pieces, 293 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: observations from Robert Kagan to Bill Maher recently talking about 294 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: sort of this systematic erosion of voting rights that is 295 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: taking place at the state level, really trying to set 296 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: the scene for four to say that the election is fraudulent, 297 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: a continuation of what's been called the Big Lie. How 298 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: concerned are you about that, Senator klovichar because it's almost 299 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: like a sleeping giant that people are just starting to to, um, 300 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, see, how can that be stopped and with 301 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: this bill actually do something that would override what's happening 302 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: state by state by state. Yeah, that is a great 303 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: way to refer to it as a sleeping giant, because 304 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons I argue for, by the way, 305 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: abolishing the filibuster or carving it out for this, because 306 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: people don't realize sometimes what's happening here and um, what 307 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 1: happened when the when Trump was contesting election results that 308 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: were by the way, Republican election officials and the like, 309 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: they stood up. So this is why I'm not quite 310 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 1: in the doomsday of um. Some of the people who 311 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: addressed this, they stood up Republican election official Secretary of 312 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: States stood up for democracy. Local officials, whatever party they were, 313 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: stood up and did their jobs. You remember them all 314 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: counting the next day and everything. I interviewed bred, I 315 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: interviewed Brad Ravensberger during that period, and you're right, but 316 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: aren't many of those people being replaced? U that. So 317 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: in our bill, this Freedom to Vote Act, we actually 318 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: have a provision we've adjusted that wasn't even in the 319 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: original bill because of the what's going on. It says 320 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: you can't fire local elected officials in the in the 321 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: local county districts and the like without evidence of malfeasance. 322 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: And we put a standard in place again the Constitution 323 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: of the United States, as that Congress can make our 324 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: alter laws regarding federal elections. That's why we feel so 325 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: confident that this is going to stand up in court. 326 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: So that would get to that. The other thing they're 327 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 1: doing is with the Electoral College, trying to upend that, 328 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: and we have a second bill um Center Warnock does, 329 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: I would get at that. So there is many things 330 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 1: that we need to do, and I really believe that 331 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 1: in the end, the filibuster is stopping us, and it's 332 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: just this archaic rule, Katie that says you have to 333 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: get to like sixty votes to advance anything. It's been 334 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: changed many times in the past. And if we want 335 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: to move on these really difficult, challenging issues like climate change, 336 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: our immigration reform, or voting or even tech rules of 337 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: the road, I think it's gonna be really hard with 338 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: that with that archaic rule still in place. So I 339 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: do get back to that, but especially on voting, I'm 340 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: hopeful there may be a way to do something different 341 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: because it's our very democracy depends on it. But how 342 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: do you get rid of the filibuster? We would have 343 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: to vote on a fifty one vote margin. We would 344 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: all have to do it. And right now it wouldn't 345 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: appear that Center Mansion and Cinema will get rid of it. 346 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: But they could reform it. You could look at different 347 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: ways to reform it. In the past, reforms have included 348 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: reducing the number of Senators from it was sixty seven 349 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: to sixty. You could reduce it further. You could carve 350 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: out the filibuster for certain things, like say the Debtsy 351 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: lake Um. You could require and Center Mansion has indicated 352 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: a willingness to support this, a standing filibuster. And this 353 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: is really an interesting idea, Like in the old days, 354 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: where they had to actually speak, it would be a 355 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: change of rule that you'd have to get with fifty 356 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: one votes, because it wouldn't just you just can't do it. 357 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: And then they would require them to actually be there, 358 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, so when a bunch of them cruise red, red, 359 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: green eggs and ham, Yeah, except that was just a 360 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: showmin thing. They would actually have to be there. Some 361 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: people would have to be there all the time for 362 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: sudden votes and speaking and the like, and then you 363 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: could ramp it down to a certain number and have 364 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: an ultimate vote something like that. Remember the civil rights 365 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: legislation of the sixties, you know, that was filibuster. And 366 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: in the end it just went on and on. Finally 367 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: there was an agreement. And I love this story, and 368 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: so I'm going to read it to you. Do you 369 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 1: like green eggs and Ham? I do not like them, Sam, 370 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,400 Speaker 1: I am, I do not like green eggs. Name. We'll 371 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: be right back. I don't know if you saw SNL 372 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: last week, but they were sort of making fun of 373 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: how clueless members of Congress are because they just in fairness, 374 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: don't really understand, uh, technology, and social media. My question 375 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: is I have two thousand friends on Facebook? Is that good? 376 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: Is it good? Like? Is that a lot of two 377 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: thousand sounds like a lot? How many does Drake have? 378 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: Four thousand? I think he has like fifty million. Oh 379 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: my god, WNDA wonder he never answered my poke. I'm 380 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: curious if you think we've reached a tipping point with 381 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: the whistleblower and kind of the fact that Facebook is 382 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: really nefariously failing to take certain measures to stop all 383 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: the damaging effects of social media. And there's some good ones. 384 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: I think there's there's some positive things about it too. 385 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: But you know, when you look at this problem and 386 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: how it impacts so much of our society, what do 387 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: you think is the solution? Do you balance free speech 388 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: and controlling misinformation that I think is, as President Obama says, 389 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: is one of the most serious, is the most serious 390 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: threat to our democracy? Exactly? Um, So let's step back 391 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: a loaded question to be sure, well like you are, 392 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure I am. I wrote a whole book on 393 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: and I trust in a lot of the focus was tech. 394 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they've made fun of me for not 395 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: knowing what I'm talking about. UM, But I don't think 396 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: you were in the skit. It wasn't and I've been 397 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: in several skits. I even have my own person, Rachel 398 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: Draft that plays me, so I'm feeling good about that. 399 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: But I will say that one of the methods they use, honestly, 400 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: is they make fun of everyone. Tech says, oh, they 401 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know what they're doing, and you know, Sarah life 402 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: can make fun I don't blame them, But the point 403 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: is is that, UM, I think we know enough to 404 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: know that something has to change, and so I start 405 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: with UM the solutions, UM. And I think Francis Hogan, 406 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: who I got to meet with for nearly an hour 407 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: UM last week, UM, I think she is a catalyst 408 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: to change because it's understandable when you have kids being 409 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: sent to content and accounts being um that they are 410 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: seeing with names like eternally starving and I want to 411 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: be perfect in these kinds of things, You've got a problem. 412 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: So Number one, we need federal privacy laws. The States 413 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: is a patchwork. We don't even were one of the 414 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: few countries in the world that doesn't have a federal 415 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: privacy law, which would really help. Apple just told their users, well, 416 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: you can you have to opt in if you want 417 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: your data to be shared. Them didn't want to share, 418 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: so let's yeah, yes, okay, So the the the second 419 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: thing and that I think an opt in would be 420 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: much better. Um. The second thing we need is to 421 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,479 Speaker 1: improve our kids online laws. Right now, they only go 422 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: up to a thirteen. You know, you could go up 423 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: to fifteen. You can expand the productions that would really 424 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: get at the Facebook stuff. The third thing my work 425 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: competitive policy. I want to let the market work while 426 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: we're doing regulations to try to develop some of these 427 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: bells and whistles. And we'll never know what Instagram might 428 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: have done on their own because Facebook brought them out because, 429 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: in the words of Mark Zuckerberg, he would rather buy 430 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: than compete. Um. He literally said in an email, this 431 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: brand maybe nascent, but it's well established and it could 432 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: be disruptive to us. Well it was, he just didn't 433 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: know how. So the final thing is, and there's competitive policy, 434 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: is make it easier for people to compete with the 435 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: dominant platforms. You know, by saying that you can't promote 436 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,719 Speaker 1: your own products, you have to treat people fairly on 437 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: the platforms. It's not as intuitive, but it really could 438 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,120 Speaker 1: get at this from a market based approach, and there's 439 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Republican interest in it. And I put 440 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: forward a number of bills with more to come, just 441 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 1: to clarify something. So you're basically saying, Senator, supporting many facebooks, 442 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: supporting companies that do the same thing, and and well, 443 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 1: they have a monopoly, right, so they'll develop. What if 444 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: you had one where you had to register the kids 445 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: so you know exactly who's on there, or they can't 446 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: be on there unless they say who they are. What 447 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: if you you know, there's all kinds of different products 448 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: that could go along, but it is so hard right now. 449 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: And this is the long term approach that isn't just 450 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,239 Speaker 1: about Facebook. It's really there's too much consolidation in our 451 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 1: country in general. Um. Then the final one, which is 452 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: you're getting at, is misinformation and trying to regulate that. 453 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: So I was on Dana Basha on Sunday and I 454 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: use the example. I've just seen that James Bond movie 455 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: and I was sitting in there thinking, Okay, if someone 456 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: yells fire in this theater, it's not protected speech, right, Okay, 457 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: But if the theater decided then to put in speakers 458 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: in all their multiplexus because they were playing the James 459 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: Bond movie and all these different theaters and they then 460 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: broadcast that. No one would think that was okay. There'd 461 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: be some kind of a lawsuit, right Or if you 462 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: yelled out vaccine misinformation in one theater, Okay, the theater 463 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: is not gonna be in trouble for that. But the 464 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: theater will be in trouble if they start broadcasting things 465 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: everywhere that's wrong. And so that's what's going on here. 466 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: I think you have to get at when they amplify things, 467 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: when they're making money off of amplifying things, that there 468 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: could be some loss of their liability protection. Right now, 469 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,960 Speaker 1: they can do whatever they want. I have a bill 470 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: with Ben Ray luhan Um that I put out months 471 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: ago that would actually say they lose their immunity when 472 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: they put out misinformation on on vaccines in the middle 473 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: of any public health crisis, because it has been the 474 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: repercussions have been astronomical. Over fifty of the people that 475 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: don't get the vaccine say they read something on social 476 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: media that you know, microchip is implanted in their arm. Well, um, 477 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: that concept um is a version of what we could 478 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: be looking at and will know YouTube. UM just recently 479 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: announced that they were banning all accounts misinformation on vaccine 480 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: UM and Facebook has not taken that step yet. So 481 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: it's hard to sort through all this UM in the 482 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: the algorithm amplification immunity piece, I will admit is the 483 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: hardest part of how you get this right while still 484 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: protecting free speech UM, but it is key to some 485 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: of the success of moving on this. You also have 486 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: other countries that are being more aggressive than us, because 487 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: in our country, Congress is just they you know, they 488 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: tech companies have been hiring everyone, people listen to their 489 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: lobbyists all the time. It is incredibly frustrating. The in 490 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: the really the answer is and how much money they're 491 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: making off of us. They're making off of you, Katie 492 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: fifty one Facebook every quarter and that's nearly double what 493 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: the amount is in other industrialized nations. So that's because 494 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: as they have more protections for you for your data 495 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: and you're not as profitable to them, and so I 496 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: it's really disturbing, and that just shows why that we 497 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: haven't put any protections in place. Are there any countries 498 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: that you feel are a role model because they also 499 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: don't have the First Amendment is sometimes honestly problematic because 500 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: some of the stuffs they're taking stay in Germany and 501 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: other countries, especially with elections, they're able to just take 502 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: stuff off immediately. Well, Europe is doing a lot on 503 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: competition policy, and I've worked with Margaret Vestegger, she's the 504 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: competition person for the EU extensively. I noticed that the 505 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: whistleblower is actually going to speak well with some of 506 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: those people in Europe leading the way. So at first 507 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: everyone is making fun of Europe, and now I think 508 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: everyone realizes why they were doing some of the things. 509 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: So you're right about the First Amendment, but in competition 510 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: policy aren't And I trust laws haven't been changed for 511 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: decades now, and in history they were always changed. We 512 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: had the Sherman Act and the Clayton Act. That's how 513 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 1: they broke up standard oil. That's how they broke up 514 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: A T and T. Later, over many different political administrations 515 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: they worked on that case. And so that means resources 516 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: in the agencies, It means smart leaders in charge of them, 517 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: which is happening. It means political support on both sides 518 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: the aisle, and there were some during the last administration, 519 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: some good people in charge of those divisions that we're 520 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: doing some good work. Um, and it really means updating 521 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: our laws. So there's a how can you have the 522 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: tech industry of our economy now come in and we 523 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: make not one change to our competition policy or privacy laws. 524 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: That is our status right now. So I think we 525 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 1: have to admit that people have been listening to these lobbies. 526 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: It's too hard. You've got the filibuster hanging out there, 527 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: which is not as big a problem here, but it's 528 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: more giving into the tech industry. And I don't wish 529 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: them harm. They employ many people, They've even those great things. 530 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: I'm wearing a fitbit right now. I got, you know, 531 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: my iPhone right here. I'm not some leadite, but I 532 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: believe in capitalism. And if you believe in capitalism, you 533 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: don't want to destroy these companies. You just want to 534 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 1: make sure that there's competitors in place. And this is 535 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: not just Facebook. And that's one of the things I'm 536 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: concerned about, because it really is we have to look 537 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: at the tech industry as a whole. Hey, would you 538 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: ever consider running for president again? In I love my job, Katie, 539 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: I love it, And now I've got so much to 540 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: do I'm going off to do a prescription drug event 541 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, and I have really a major leadership role 542 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: in the Senate right now. That's what I'm focused done. 543 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: Thank you again to my special guest, Senator Amy Klovichar. 544 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: She's so smart and with it. I really like talking 545 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: to her. 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