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Speaker 1: FBI authorities now have released videos and images and images
Speaker 1: on videos that show a masked arm person at Nancy
Speaker 1: Guthrie's doorstep the night she was abducted. This is now
Speaker 1: what ten days in the first and real only significant
Speaker 1: break in the search for the eighty four year old
Speaker 1: mother of the Today's co host Today Show co hosts
Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie. Black and white images released by the FBI
Speaker 1: depict a person wearing a ski mask, gloves, backpack what
Speaker 1: appears to be a holstered handgun. Investigators say the person
Speaker 1: sit in the images was armed. Authority said the images
Speaker 1: showed the person tampering with the camera. It looks like
Speaker 1: this person sees the camera, knows he's being videotaped, goes
Speaker 1: and tries to, you know, pick flowers or something and
Speaker 1: cover it up with that. He's wearing heavy gloves. You know,
Speaker 1: they're not they're not boxing gloves. Some people have said
Speaker 1: to me that, and they're not. You can tell their
Speaker 1: fingers on it. But the images now show the person
Speaker 1: tampering with that camera next to the front door of
Speaker 1: the house just north of Tucson. The strongest pieces of
Speaker 1: evidence that in fact, she's been abducted, which has been
Speaker 1: consistent with what everybody's believed from the beginning, especially the
Speaker 1: blood on the front steps leading outside of that door,
Speaker 1: and police have said that the doorbell camera was disconnected. Now,
Speaker 1: we've been talking at length about new investigative techniques that
Speaker 1: they have, and I got to tell you got to
Speaker 1: really handle the law enforcement because they've they've come so far.
Speaker 1: What is it called celebrate and it is an ability
Speaker 1: that I didn't even know existed, and that is, the
Speaker 1: FBI is able to go in and even though somebody
Speaker 1: might have erased text messages, even encrypted app messages, and
Speaker 1: you think those things have gone forever, and let's say
Speaker 1: they don't have a cloud on et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: or maybe it's a burner phone or whatever, they're able
Speaker 1: to recover all of those messages because of this new technology.
Speaker 2: Pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Actually, I got to give a shout out to a
Speaker 1: lot of you people online, and I mean this with
Speaker 1: all sincerity. Like, and I've said this before on the air,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go online, if I want to
Speaker 1: feel bad about myself, I'll just start reading about comments
Speaker 1: about myself online.
Speaker 2: And you know, it goes with the territory.
Speaker 1: And I can't believe that there are so many people
Speaker 1: in this business that give opinions and they're shocked that
Speaker 1: not everybody in the world agrees with them, and they
Speaker 1: get offended that people take shots at them. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you're kind of opening yourself up. It goes with the territory.
Speaker 1: And if you can't handle the heat, get out of
Speaker 1: the kitchen. And Linda, we've joked about that quite a bit.
Speaker 1: But there are times I've said this many times that
Speaker 1: I will see something, or Linda or Blair or Sweet
Speaker 1: Baby James will see something and they'll send it to
Speaker 1: me and it is wickedly funny, all at my expense,
Speaker 1: whether it be a meme or a comment or something.
Speaker 1: And you know, the level of brilliance and creativity of
Speaker 1: people online sometimes is beyond impressive. Linda, We've had many
Speaker 1: times where we joked about and I laugh at like,
Speaker 1: for example, if Colbert and Kimmel were actually funny and
Speaker 1: when they go after conservatives, it would it'd be worth watching.
Speaker 1: But they're just angry liberals. They're not funny, like I
Speaker 1: think that Bill Mark funny. And he's also unpredictable, and
Speaker 1: it'll take a position that maybe people wouldn't expect him
Speaker 1: to take. He doesn't have a problem talking to people
Speaker 1: that he disagrees with. Although if you go on a show,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty much a stack deck that audience
Speaker 1: hates conservatives and you're just dead on that show if
Speaker 1: you're a conservative and you know who the heck needs
Speaker 1: needs that abuse. But and the same with John Stewart.
Speaker 1: John Stewart can be very, very funny. I think one
Speaker 1: of the funniest bits ever done about me was by
Speaker 1: John Stewart. And you know, at times he will take
Speaker 1: a shot. Sometimes it's actually warranted. Sometimes that make a
Speaker 1: good point. I'm like, yeah, that's true. I'm pretty partisan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do support this or that, whatever it happens to be.
Speaker 1: But I only bring this up for this reason is
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've Linda, if you're seeing what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing. Somehow people are able to use these images,
Speaker 1: these pictures reverse the lighting on it. Yeah, AI, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I don't know one hundred perc that it's accurate
Speaker 1: and true.
Speaker 2: I'm assuming it probably is. Though.
Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting to see what they can do by
Speaker 3: doing the reverse lighting and giving you the ability to
Speaker 3: see that in color, you know, or something close to it.
Speaker 3: It's almost like when they technicolored all the old black
Speaker 3: and white movies and you're like, oh, wow, that's so cool.
Speaker 3: It just enhances your ability to see it a little
Speaker 3: bit more clearly.
Speaker 2: It definitely does. Now.
Speaker 1: I've saw other analysis. Somebody that knows the you know,
Speaker 1: that figured out the width of the bricks in the
Speaker 1: in the doorway leading to the front door of Nancy
Speaker 1: Guthrie's house, and somebody you know, knew that particular brick
Speaker 1: and with and height, et cetera, and they just, you know,
Speaker 1: did their own measurements and they think that this person
Speaker 1: is five ten or five eleven.
Speaker 2: I mean stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are just some really really smart people
Speaker 1: that you know, put their genius to work. And I
Speaker 1: got to tip my hat to these people line they
Speaker 1: often get criticized. There are crazy people online, and that's fine.
Speaker 1: And there are people that are just viciously vile and
Speaker 1: mean and horrible and toxic, and you know, I just
Speaker 1: don't pay attention. You have to pick and choose what
Speaker 1: you what you read, and what you watch and what
Speaker 1: you listen to. But I'm finding that aspect of this
Speaker 1: very very interesting. The good news is this is the
Speaker 1: first break we've had in this case.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 1: It has been frustrating, you know, And I will say this,
Speaker 1: you know, and occasionally people will complain, well, why why
Speaker 1: are you covering this? Well? Why did we cover Richard
Speaker 1: Jewel the way we did? Why did we cover Ducal
Speaker 1: Cross the way we did? Why did we cover Ferguson
Speaker 1: Missouri the way we did? Why did we cover George
Speaker 1: Zimmerman and treymont Martin the way we did? I mean,
Speaker 1: there are certain cases that kind of capture the attention
Speaker 1: of the country. I made a broader point, and I
Speaker 1: did get criticized for this, and I it was I
Speaker 1: was sincere when I said on TV that this is
Speaker 1: not a political statement. I don't want it to be
Speaker 1: infirm to be political, but it's just a fact.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This is why I often talk about lives mattering. You
Speaker 1: can see in this one case how much one person's
Speaker 1: life matters, not only to one individual, Savannah Guthrie, but
Speaker 1: also to her entire family, and how devastating it is
Speaker 1: to one family to lose a loved one. And that's
Speaker 1: why it is frustrating to me. And again I'm not
Speaker 1: being political here that for two decades I have been
Speaker 1: scrolling names that nobody ever heard of, nobody ever thinks about,
Speaker 1: of people that have been shot, shot and killed. Happens
Speaker 1: every weekend in New York City, Chicago, whatever it happens
Speaker 1: to be. And I couldn't believe that when Barack Obama
Speaker 1: was president, during you know, his time in office for
Speaker 1: eight years, he mentioned his home city of Chicago and
Speaker 1: the violence there maybe three times. And why did he
Speaker 1: not make it a priority are to bring law and
Speaker 1: order and safety and security because those names are just
Speaker 1: as important to the families of their loved ones as
Speaker 1: in this particular case. It's not a political statement, it's
Speaker 1: just a fact. Is that if human life does matter,
Speaker 1: and I believe everybody, every human being, all of you
Speaker 1: listening to my voice, were created by a God, a creator.
Speaker 1: That's why you have your own individual fingerprint, and that
Speaker 1: God put within you talent and ability. And when you
Speaker 1: hear about people young people in particular, and they're killed
Speaker 1: in the prime of their life. It is tragic and
Speaker 1: it needs to be paid attention to. You know, they
Speaker 1: had these ridiculous, absurd hearings on Capitol Hill today attacking
Speaker 1: Ice and we'll get into the issue later in the program.
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there listening to people, first of all,
Speaker 1: Rodney Scott with the CBP, he's their commissioner, touting all
Speaker 1: the accomplishments they have captured, hundreds of thousands of unvetted
Speaker 1: Biden Harris illegals, unvetted alout in this country, and among
Speaker 1: them known terrorists and murderers and rapists and child molesters
Speaker 1: and drug dealers, cartel members, and they never get any
Speaker 1: credit for it. And you know they have, they have
Speaker 1: all these coordinated, well funded insurgencies trying to prevent legal
Speaker 1: law enforcement and laws of this country from being enforced.
Speaker 1: Andy Basheer wants to put his hat in the ring
Speaker 1: and potentially be a Democratic presidential candidate for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: So he goes on the view. He knows his constituency,
Speaker 1: he knows if he wants to get the nomination, he's
Speaker 1: got to go hard, hard left, and he's not. He
Speaker 1: didn't sound at all like the conservative that he's always
Speaker 1: tried to, you know, portray himself as.
Speaker 2: And it's just sad.
Speaker 1: I mean, even at one point, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: you have this Congresswoman Lamonica mcgiver asking todd Lyons if
Speaker 1: he thinks he's going to hell. I mean, this is
Speaker 1: how absurd this whole thing got, you know, or mister
Speaker 1: feng Fang, Eric Swalwell, you know, asking if if todd
Speaker 1: Lyons is going to apologize to the families of Renee
Speaker 1: Good and Alex Pretty. In the Renee Good case, I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty cut and dry. She did accelerate her
Speaker 1: car was in the direction of an ice agent. That
Speaker 1: ice agent, by every objective measure, was hit and that
Speaker 1: resulted in internal bleeding and injuries. And you know, I'm
Speaker 1: at that point when do people have become responsible? We
Speaker 1: saw the tape ten days earlier, and I'll concede the
Speaker 1: point to Alex Pretty's attorney that what happened ten days ago,
Speaker 1: when when this guy was attacking and calling out and
Speaker 1: cursing out and spitting out and kicking the tail light
Speaker 1: off that car of law enforcement, I mean, it does
Speaker 1: give you a glimpse into his mindset. It's separate and
Speaker 1: apart from what happened that day, but he did go
Speaker 1: to that protest. He was up close and personal to
Speaker 1: those agents. Probably by that point he'd been at so
Speaker 1: many of those things. I might guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I know he went to the ten days prior. He
Speaker 1: might have even been known. But he was armed. And
Speaker 1: you know, if you, if you're a responsible gun owner,
Speaker 1: I would advise you never to do that. But that's
Speaker 1: again an untold story. But the bigger picture here is
Speaker 1: you can see in this case why life matters. And
Speaker 1: sometimes maybe it takes one case to remind us that
Speaker 1: every life matters. And then you ask us, well, why
Speaker 1: do some people why do we only hear about the
Speaker 1: George Floyds. You know, Gianno Colwell's a friend of ours
Speaker 1: on this program, and his brother was one of those
Speaker 1: many names of a young man who nothing wrong, just
Speaker 1: just hanging out and got shot and killed in Chicago.
Speaker 1: And Giano's now is pretty much to change the trajectory
Speaker 1: of his life, and he's dedicated his life to helping
Speaker 1: to end crime in Chicago and stop it and bring
Speaker 1: attention to it.
Speaker 2: But all these people never pay attention to it.
Speaker 1: You know, if it's not happening to you, what it's
Speaker 1: not happening, it is happening, and it just does raise awareness.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm all I am saying in this is
Speaker 1: that every life does matter. And you know, I never
Speaker 1: understood why Democrats wouldn't stand for the family of Lake
Speaker 1: and Riley. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't stand for
Speaker 1: the family of Joscelyn Nungary. I mean Lake and Riley,
Speaker 1: nursing student brutally murdered on a jog. Poor Joscelyn Hungary,
Speaker 1: twelve years old, brutally raped, and then you know, murdered
Speaker 1: and thrown in a river. And you know, do you
Speaker 1: think those families are ever going to be the same again?
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 1: And at that point I just made a determination that
Speaker 1: politics Trump's everything. Unfortunately for this modern Democratic Party, and
Speaker 1: their hatred of Donald Trump guides that have their every
Speaker 1: move because if you can't stand and honor those families
Speaker 1: that lost everything, I mean, think about it, if you
Speaker 1: lost a twelve year old daughter, if you lost a
Speaker 1: nursing student daughter, you know, do you think you'd ever
Speaker 1: be the same again? When we had Nancy Grace on
Speaker 1: this program, and I part of me regrets asking her
Speaker 1: how she got so engaged in crime and what she
Speaker 1: had lived through and that was the murder of her
Speaker 1: fiance and how it impacted her life, that also changed
Speaker 1: the trajectory of her life and how to this day
Speaker 1: she's not the same person she was before that happened.
Speaker 1: And that's what families across this country. That's why restoring
Speaker 1: law and order and bringing safety and security and getting
Speaker 1: rid of criminals in this country and not defunding, dismantling
Speaker 1: police and reimagining police and keeping people in jail. That
Speaker 1: means you need bail laws. You know, that's why you
Speaker 1: do need voter ID what Linda, you know, it matters.
Speaker 1: And my prayer, my hope is is that they find
Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie. It just becomes the breakthrough that we've been
Speaker 1: hoping for. In this case, it's ten days later. I
Speaker 1: know she needs her medication badly. I am working under
Speaker 1: the assumption she's alive and I'm going to stay there unless,
Speaker 1: you know, God forbid we get bad news. I don't
Speaker 1: want bad news. We have enough violence and death in
Speaker 1: this country will continue. Ay you're ready to get out
Speaker 1: of the media spin room.
Speaker 4: Well, you've come to the right place.
Speaker 3: It is the Sean Hannity Show.
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta sometimes just stop and pause and think.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've been friends with Cash Patel and
Speaker 1: Dam Bongino and Pam Bondy, and you know, I observe everything.
Speaker 1: I try not to get into the intramural squabbles that
Speaker 1: go on among conservatives because I think they've all lost
Speaker 1: the plot by you know, shooting at each other instead
Speaker 1: of focusing on the bigger picture, which is the left
Speaker 1: in this country and their policies, I mean, the idea.
Speaker 1: They don't want voter id really, they want to defund ice. Really,
Speaker 1: they want to defund this mental no bail all of
Speaker 1: this nonsense. And then of course they vote for the
Speaker 1: largest tax increase in history. They don't stand up for
Speaker 1: working men and women getting rid of taxes on tips
Speaker 1: and overtime. They don't stand up for the elderly, no
Speaker 1: tax on social security. You know, they think paying higher
Speaker 1: gas prices is the price of democracy. And I just
Speaker 1: think of this, and this is what I know has
Speaker 1: frustrated Dan Bongino and Cash and Pam and they just
Speaker 1: is this, you know, Republicans and conservatives and even people click,
Speaker 1: I would argue, are conveniently maga, because if you look
Speaker 1: at their history and the things that they've said in
Speaker 1: every single case, they've been, you know, only conveniently maga.
Speaker 1: But putting that aside, and I'm like, you guys lost
Speaker 1: the plot because the left in the country, if they're
Speaker 1: back in power, they will destroy the country. And while
Speaker 1: we might have some differences, is more that should unite us.
Speaker 1: You know, Reagan said, if we're eighty percent in agreement,
Speaker 1: you're not my enemy, you're my friend, and I think
Speaker 1: sometimes we need to remember that. All Right, we'll have
Speaker 1: more on these new developments, images, videos of Nancy Guthrie's
Speaker 1: abductor straight ahead, let me give you a little bit
Speaker 1: of background of foxnews dot com reporting federal agents arrived
Speaker 1: in Tucson last week. And I've known this is going on,
Speaker 1: but I've kind of stayed quiet about it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you can put together why I know. But the federal
Speaker 1: agents did not exactly receive a warm welcome, and by
Speaker 1: that I mean the FBI in this howering, you know,
Speaker 1: search for Nancy Guthrie and he's abducted from this house
Speaker 1: by force. They have no leads at all. It's from
Speaker 1: her home and Catalina in the foothills in northern Tucson
Speaker 1: around two thirty am and according to the Pima County Sheriff,
Speaker 1: law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with
Speaker 1: federal investigators. Now jurisdiction lies with local law enforcement. They
Speaker 1: have to ask for help. President Trump very early on
Speaker 1: said he's making available all federal resources, meaning law enforcement,
Speaker 1: in the search for Nancy Guthrie. And so they were there,
Speaker 1: willing able to help. And you know, it's sad because
Speaker 1: it delayed the cooperation. Now, if you look at some
Speaker 1: of the the techniques and the equipment that the FBI has,
Speaker 1: it is you know, for example, like Celebrate, which has
Speaker 1: the ability to take even messages that were erased not
Speaker 1: on the cloud.
Speaker 2: Uh, and they're able to recover them.
Speaker 1: This is probably how they were able to recover this
Speaker 1: this video.
Speaker 2: Uh, what do you call it?
Speaker 4: Ring?
Speaker 2: What do you call it ring? Ring?
Speaker 3: She has ring and she has nest.
Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds to me and I'm guessing here, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't seen an exact report on it,
Speaker 1: that that's probably how they recovered all of this and
Speaker 1: it probably happened to Quantico, would probably happened because of
Speaker 1: FBI participation in this. And I don't understand. This happens
Speaker 1: too often with law enforcement, and when it does happen,
Speaker 1: it frustrates me to no end because you know, the
Speaker 1: goal should be not who gets the credit, but just
Speaker 1: get the job done. And you know, people should, you know,
Speaker 1: want to cooperate with each other. There's a lot happening
Speaker 1: too that I want to just tell you about. And
Speaker 1: the first person that brought this up was last night.
Speaker 1: This was Nancy Gray said, it's time and she's like
Speaker 1: everybody in that family, everybody that knew Nancy Guthrie ought
Speaker 1: to get you know, they ought to sit for a
Speaker 1: light detector test.
Speaker 2: She wasn't wrong.
Speaker 1: Now we have a report today that Nancy Guthrie's landscaper,
Speaker 1: pool cleaner, other hired helper submitting swabs. You know, it's
Speaker 1: now more than a week after the suspected abduction from
Speaker 1: her home in Tucson. According to law enforcement sources, the
Speaker 1: move likely means that DNA results have finally come back
Speaker 1: from inside of the house. Last week, the Pima County
Speaker 1: Sheriff said at a news conference, DNA testing on evidence
Speaker 1: outside the home, including the blood drops outside the front door,
Speaker 1: came back to Guthrie. If you know, it's significant because
Speaker 1: it reveals that maybe they did get some DNA from
Speaker 1: inside the home, although if it's people that worked in
Speaker 1: the home, that might not be unusual. But it's something
Speaker 1: to go on looking, you know, at this point, the
Speaker 1: look of everything they could possibly find. You know, the
Speaker 1: latest is, you know that this ransom deadline number two
Speaker 1: came and went, and we don't know for sure. They've
Speaker 1: not said whether or not there was another bitcoin address. Now,
Speaker 1: Harvey Levin of TMZ in the original note, he did
Speaker 1: not get the other two notes that went to a
Speaker 1: local news station in Tucson, but he does make it
Speaker 1: he does have a good theory regarding that that he
Speaker 1: thinks that in the original note they said that the
Speaker 1: mother would be returned within nine hours, and if they
Speaker 1: did pay the money, that period of time is long
Speaker 1: since coming gone. And if you if you make a
Speaker 1: radius of a nine hour drive that would also include
Speaker 1: parts of Mexico. That's got to concern people too. I'm
Speaker 1: sure law enforcement is thinking about that as well. The
Speaker 1: reward is still in place, by the way, with the
Speaker 1: FBI fifty thousand dollars and I'm not sure. I am
Speaker 1: thinking based on the brilliant people in this country that
Speaker 1: go online and we're able to use artificial intelligence reverse
Speaker 1: the lighting, assuming that's real, and I think it is real, Linda,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's real. And you get a much
Speaker 1: clearer picture of the guy. No, granted he has this
Speaker 1: this full face ski mask on, but you do see
Speaker 1: certain facial features. You get a much cleaner view of
Speaker 1: the individual, a much cleaner view. So, now that we
Speaker 1: have the video, and obviously this person was self conscious,
Speaker 1: noticed that the camera was there, or knew that the
Speaker 1: camera was there, I don't know. And then you know,
Speaker 1: went and seemed to pick up, you know, dirt and
Speaker 1: flowers and wanted to cover that camera pretty pretty desperately.
Speaker 1: But you know, security experts are saying the FBI is
Speaker 1: best suited to handle this, and that's why it's frustrating
Speaker 1: that and I knew this from the beginning that they
Speaker 1: were kind of being pushed off to the side, and
Speaker 1: the chief defended the investigation, say, critics haven't got a clue.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the same guy that was at the basketball game? Linda,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be at a basketball game.
Speaker 1: If I was in charge of a case like this,
Speaker 1: would you be at a basketball game? I don't think
Speaker 1: I would be.
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things about this case
Speaker 3: that are super weird. But you know, in looking at
Speaker 3: the comments online, you know, one of the things that
Speaker 3: I was talking about with the team, and that's really troubling,
Speaker 3: is there's a lot of people missing right now. A
Speaker 3: lot of them are kids. And obviously this is a celebrity,
Speaker 3: so it gets celebrity attention, it gets federal reinforcement. We
Speaker 3: got senators involved, we got the President involved. There's a
Speaker 3: girl in the same area in Tucson. She's like, I
Speaker 3: think she's seventeen or eighteen years old. She's been missing
Speaker 3: since the middle of January. Nobody's doing anything for her,
Speaker 3: you know, just a little kid. Haven't seen her in
Speaker 3: you know, a month. And I think that's the thing
Speaker 3: that average Americans are struggling with. Well, my heart goes
Speaker 3: out to the Guthrie family and any family whose mother's son, uncle, cousin, brother, aunt,
Speaker 3: friend has been kidnapped and is missing. It's heartbreaking. But
Speaker 3: the amount of coverage that we are seeing on this.
Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking that we can't do this kind of investigation
Speaker 3: for everybody. It's really sad. But I will say it's
Speaker 3: awesome to see what you said. These people coming out
Speaker 3: online doing what they're doing. It's their ability to pick
Speaker 3: up little things and things you don't see, and I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: I think that's really cool.
Speaker 1: I love their genius and if they make fun of
Speaker 1: me sometimes. I love when they're really funny. I really do.
Speaker 1: And I love what their ability to do all of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen all the AI generated videos of
Speaker 1: a wedding of mind that never took place.
Speaker 2: I mean it's hilarious. I find that it.
Speaker 3: Tux was great though, you looked fantastic.
Speaker 2: I'd look fantastic.
Speaker 3: Your AI version of you was looking very sharp on
Speaker 3: your fake wedding day, So kudos.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just think it's funny.
Speaker 1: Me crying though, that one pissed me off because I
Speaker 1: don't cry.
Speaker 3: But the twins, the twins looked very healthy at birth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twins.
Speaker 3: Can't believe what you read online, guys, especially with AI
Speaker 3: is scary.
Speaker 1: The worst part is is some of my closest friends
Speaker 1: see it, like on Facebook.
Speaker 2: I got so social media messages.
Speaker 1: So well, well, you didn't have to invite me, but
Speaker 1: you could have at least told me, oh my, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's wrong with you. We've been friends forever,
Speaker 1: You've read every horrible thing about me in the world.
Speaker 1: I do think that there are things that we should
Speaker 1: pay attention to. There's a former SWAT team captain. His
Speaker 1: name is Josh Schirard. He was interviewed by the Daily
Speaker 1: Mail and you know, again, this gets very complicated in
Speaker 1: terms of what's the right thing to do or the
Speaker 1: wrong thing to do, in terms of if if you're
Speaker 1: not able to communicate with the people that you believe
Speaker 1: have your loved one and they don't show proof of life,
Speaker 1: then it becomes, you know, a little more dicey. The
Speaker 1: fact that this was a kind of suff Look what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing in this video is somebody that this is
Speaker 1: a premeditated crime and with a lot of thought and
Speaker 1: sophistication behind the bitcoin ploy Because as soon as you
Speaker 1: have a bitcoin address, if that money was ever sent,
Speaker 1: now we know it wasn't sent to the original address,
Speaker 1: but another address could be set up, another account could
Speaker 1: be set up. In ten minutes, It's not that hard
Speaker 1: to do anybody that has had any cryptocurrency, But with
Speaker 1: no direct line established between the Guthrie family, it's a
Speaker 1: much harder call. Veteran FBI special agent Lands Lessing of
Speaker 1: Arizona suggested that the fact that the notes were sent
Speaker 1: to media outlets rather than negotiators or family members, that
Speaker 1: that's a red flag to him, and his analysis was,
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate if it's in a legitimate ransom case.
Speaker 1: Kidnappers move fast, They established leverage quickly, communication begins within hours,
Speaker 1: not days, of an abduction. Proof of life is produced
Speaker 1: early and often, and this case has not followed the
Speaker 1: history of a typical kidnapping at all. Now, another thing
Speaker 1: is ninety percent of the time these are just the odds.
Speaker 1: And I'm not casting aspersions and we don't rush to judgment,
Speaker 1: but ninety percent of abductions do involve someone that the
Speaker 1: abducted person knows, and a lot of times, unfortunately that's
Speaker 1: family or someone very very close to the family, or
Speaker 1: in the case of Elizabeth Smart, somebody that worked at
Speaker 1: the family home that the father was doing a favor
Speaker 1: for so And another thing, we don't know everything that
Speaker 1: law enforcement knows, and that's why I.
Speaker 3: Signed to that point. Josh Cherart is actually a friend
Speaker 3: of our show. He's the director of law enforcement for Berner,
Speaker 3: but he's a thirty year SWAT officer, and the one
Speaker 3: thing that he's been talking a lot about is how
Speaker 3: the elderly are easy prey and Berne is doing a
Speaker 3: whole thing on helping the elderly and getting them armed
Speaker 3: and teaching them self defense, because it's not just like
Speaker 3: women or children, it's there's a whole other class of
Speaker 3: people that are being preyed upon. Hence this case.
Speaker 1: Oh, I hope people see to your point earlier that
Speaker 1: you you ask a very legitimate question. Young girl's been
Speaker 1: missing for a long time in the same area and
Speaker 1: nobody knows their name. That's a problem. That all the
Speaker 1: people shot shot and killed every weekend in Chicago. I've
Speaker 1: been talking about it for decades. I've scrolled their names
Speaker 1: for decades. That's a problem. You know all these you
Speaker 1: know Lake and Riley's family, Rachel Morin's family, you know,
Speaker 1: all those lives matter. And maybe as a result of this,
Speaker 1: maybe people will take you know the fact that we
Speaker 1: need law and order and not defund dismantle NOBIL, and
Speaker 1: we need to fund the ice not defund ice, and
Speaker 1: that we need voter ID and things like that. Maybe
Speaker 1: people's perspectives will change a little bit. And again I'm
Speaker 1: not really trying to be political here, it's just common sense.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Doug in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: Doug, how are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing good, Sean. I just wanted to tell you
Speaker 5: thank you for all you do.
Speaker 2: Without thank you, sir.
Speaker 5: We wouldn't get a lot of the information we do.
Speaker 5: But I want to be the bad guy for you.
Speaker 5: I know you don't want to, and I completely understand.
Speaker 5: And let me say that I hope and I pray
Speaker 5: that this idea that I am thinking on is completely wrong.
Speaker 5: But let's look at it from the eyes of the
Speaker 5: kidnapper himself. And I don't think anybody has really done
Speaker 5: that if you were the kidnapper now, and let's go
Speaker 5: on the presumption that the the brandom was a ransom
Speaker 5: was not paid yesterday, Being that as it would look
Speaker 5: to the kidnapper, they don't know who you are. They
Speaker 5: haven't been able to trace your email. It almost seems
Speaker 5: like you wouldn't want to be making any more contact
Speaker 5: than you had to because you're exposing yourself. What is
Speaker 5: the chances there that they have already taken her life,
Speaker 5: gotten rid of her body, and we're never going to
Speaker 5: hear from the kidnapper or see her mother's or you know,
Speaker 5: retrieve the remains. I pray to God that doesn't happen.
Speaker 5: But if you look at it through the eyes of
Speaker 5: the kidnapper, that would seem to be a viable option
Speaker 5: for them. And I pray that I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: I pray you're wrong too. It's certainly something that is real.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and put my head
Speaker 1: in a send. Doug, appreciate it. I know where you're
Speaker 1: coming from. Americans have a heart. Americans are good people,
Speaker 1: all right, quickly, Susan Arizona. Hey, Susan John.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to comment on the sheriff who went
Speaker 4: to the University of Arizona game basketball game instead of
Speaker 4: being at work or whatever. And my husband and I
Speaker 4: are both former law enforcements. I was a federal agent,
Speaker 4: he's a Phoenix cop, and we we're total opposites on that.
Speaker 4: He thinks he's kind of like, oh, give him a break.
Speaker 4: Everybody needs a rest. And I said, I said, the
Speaker 4: reason that I think it's terrible is because when something
Speaker 4: like that happens, whether you're FBI or cops or whatever,
Speaker 4: sheriff's deputies, it's all hands on deck. And if I,
Speaker 4: as just a regular agent, had tickets to a game
Speaker 4: and said, hey, I really need to go to this game.
Speaker 4: I have the tickets, they were just tough, just tough,
Speaker 4: and so as a leader, I think you have to
Speaker 4: lead by example. So I just thought it was interesting
Speaker 4: that the both of us buried so deep.
Speaker 1: You know, it gets me, Matt, like, if my kids
Speaker 1: take off a day from work, they better give me
Speaker 1: a good reason or I get pissed. I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: like one day last week, I got a tooth pulled on
Speaker 1: a root canal. On the same day, I still did
Speaker 1: radio and TV. I like to show up for work,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Linda takes off all the time.
Speaker 1: It's infuriating.
Speaker 3: That's me footloose and fancy free.
Speaker 1: No, it's teasing. Eight hundred and nine point one, Sean.
Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of the program,
Speaker 1: all right, we'll continue.
Speaker 5: By the way.
Speaker 1: Nicole Parker on the other side, also will check in
Speaker 1: with Jason Pack, retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent