1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,480 Speaker 1: Thanks to all of you for being with us. Right 2 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: down our toll free telephone number if you want to 3 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: be a part of the program at eight hundred and 4 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: ninety four one Sean If you want to join us. 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: Cash Betel. 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: FBI authorities now have released videos and images and images 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: on videos that show a masked arm person at Nancy 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Guthrie's doorstep the night she was abducted. This is now 9 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: what ten days in the first and real only significant 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: break in the search for the eighty four year old 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: mother of the Today's co host Today Show co hosts 12 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: Savannah Guthrie. Black and white images released by the FBI 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: depict a person wearing a ski mask, gloves, backpack what 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: appears to be a holstered handgun. Investigators say the person 15 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: sit in the images was armed. Authority said the images 16 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: showed the person tampering with the camera. It looks like 17 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: this person sees the camera, knows he's being videotaped, goes 18 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: and tries to, you know, pick flowers or something and 19 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: cover it up with that. He's wearing heavy gloves. You know, 20 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: they're not they're not boxing gloves. Some people have said 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: to me that, and they're not. You can tell their 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: fingers on it. But the images now show the person 23 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: tampering with that camera next to the front door of 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: the house just north of Tucson. The strongest pieces of 25 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: evidence that in fact, she's been abducted, which has been 26 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: consistent with what everybody's believed from the beginning, especially the 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: blood on the front steps leading outside of that door, 28 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: and police have said that the doorbell camera was disconnected. Now, 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: we've been talking at length about new investigative techniques that 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: they have, and I got to tell you got to 31 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: really handle the law enforcement because they've they've come so far. 32 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: What is it called celebrate and it is an ability 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: that I didn't even know existed, and that is, the 34 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: FBI is able to go in and even though somebody 35 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: might have erased text messages, even encrypted app messages, and 36 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: you think those things have gone forever, and let's say 37 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: they don't have a cloud on et cetera, et cetera, 38 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a burner phone or whatever, they're able 39 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,679 Speaker 1: to recover all of those messages because of this new technology. 40 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 2: Pretty amazing. 41 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: Actually, I got to give a shout out to a 42 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: lot of you people online, and I mean this with 43 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: all sincerity. Like, and I've said this before on the air, 44 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:51,639 Speaker 1: I mean, if you go online, if I want to 45 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: feel bad about myself, I'll just start reading about comments 46 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: about myself online. 47 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: And you know, it goes with the territory. 48 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: And I can't believe that there are so many people 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: in this business that give opinions and they're shocked that 50 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: not everybody in the world agrees with them, and they 51 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: get offended that people take shots at them. I'm like, well, 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: you're kind of opening yourself up. It goes with the territory. 53 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: And if you can't handle the heat, get out of 54 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: the kitchen. And Linda, we've joked about that quite a bit. 55 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: But there are times I've said this many times that 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: I will see something, or Linda or Blair or Sweet 57 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: Baby James will see something and they'll send it to 58 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: me and it is wickedly funny, all at my expense, 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: whether it be a meme or a comment or something. 60 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: And you know, the level of brilliance and creativity of 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: people online sometimes is beyond impressive. Linda, We've had many 62 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: times where we joked about and I laugh at like, 63 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: for example, if Colbert and Kimmel were actually funny and 64 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: when they go after conservatives, it would it'd be worth watching. 65 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: But they're just angry liberals. They're not funny, like I 66 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: think that Bill Mark funny. And he's also unpredictable, and 67 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: it'll take a position that maybe people wouldn't expect him 68 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: to take. He doesn't have a problem talking to people 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: that he disagrees with. Although if you go on a show, 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty much a stack deck that audience 71 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: hates conservatives and you're just dead on that show if 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: you're a conservative and you know who the heck needs 73 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: needs that abuse. But and the same with John Stewart. 74 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: John Stewart can be very, very funny. I think one 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: of the funniest bits ever done about me was by 76 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: John Stewart. And you know, at times he will take 77 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: a shot. Sometimes it's actually warranted. Sometimes that make a 78 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: good point. I'm like, yeah, that's true. I'm pretty partisan. Yeah, 79 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: I do support this or that, whatever it happens to be. 80 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: But I only bring this up for this reason is 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've Linda, if you're seeing what 82 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing. Somehow people are able to use these images, 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 1: these pictures reverse the lighting on it. Yeah, AI, Okay, 84 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: now I don't know one hundred perc that it's accurate 85 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: and true. 86 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,559 Speaker 2: I'm assuming it probably is. Though. 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting to see what they can do by 88 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,479 Speaker 3: doing the reverse lighting and giving you the ability to 89 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: see that in color, you know, or something close to it. 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: It's almost like when they technicolored all the old black 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 3: and white movies and you're like, oh, wow, that's so cool. 92 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: It just enhances your ability to see it a little 93 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: bit more clearly. 94 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: It definitely does. Now. 95 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: I've saw other analysis. Somebody that knows the you know, 96 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: that figured out the width of the bricks in the 97 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: in the doorway leading to the front door of Nancy 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: Guthrie's house, and somebody you know, knew that particular brick 99 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: and with and height, et cetera, and they just, you know, 100 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: did their own measurements and they think that this person 101 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: is five ten or five eleven. 102 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: I mean stuff like that. 103 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: I mean, there are just some really really smart people 104 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: that you know, put their genius to work. And I 105 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: got to tip my hat to these people line they 106 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: often get criticized. There are crazy people online, and that's fine. 107 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: And there are people that are just viciously vile and 108 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: mean and horrible and toxic, and you know, I just 109 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,239 Speaker 1: don't pay attention. You have to pick and choose what 110 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: you what you read, and what you watch and what 111 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: you listen to. But I'm finding that aspect of this 112 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: very very interesting. The good news is this is the 113 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: first break we've had in this case. 114 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 2: This is it. 115 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: It has been frustrating, you know, And I will say this, 116 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, and occasionally people will complain, well, why why 117 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: are you covering this? Well? Why did we cover Richard 118 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Jewel the way we did? Why did we cover Ducal 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Cross the way we did? Why did we cover Ferguson 120 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: Missouri the way we did? Why did we cover George 121 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: Zimmerman and treymont Martin the way we did? I mean, 122 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: there are certain cases that kind of capture the attention 123 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: of the country. I made a broader point, and I 124 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,480 Speaker 1: did get criticized for this, and I it was I 125 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: was sincere when I said on TV that this is 126 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: not a political statement. I don't want it to be 127 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: infirm to be political, but it's just a fact. 128 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: You know. 129 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: This is why I often talk about lives mattering. You 130 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: can see in this one case how much one person's 131 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: life matters, not only to one individual, Savannah Guthrie, but 132 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: also to her entire family, and how devastating it is 133 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: to one family to lose a loved one. And that's 134 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: why it is frustrating to me. And again I'm not 135 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: being political here that for two decades I have been 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: scrolling names that nobody ever heard of, nobody ever thinks about, 137 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: of people that have been shot, shot and killed. Happens 138 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: every weekend in New York City, Chicago, whatever it happens 139 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: to be. And I couldn't believe that when Barack Obama 140 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: was president, during you know, his time in office for 141 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: eight years, he mentioned his home city of Chicago and 142 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: the violence there maybe three times. And why did he 143 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: not make it a priority are to bring law and 144 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: order and safety and security because those names are just 145 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: as important to the families of their loved ones as 146 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: in this particular case. It's not a political statement, it's 147 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: just a fact. Is that if human life does matter, 148 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: and I believe everybody, every human being, all of you 149 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: listening to my voice, were created by a God, a creator. 150 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: That's why you have your own individual fingerprint, and that 151 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 1: God put within you talent and ability. And when you 152 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: hear about people young people in particular, and they're killed 153 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: in the prime of their life. It is tragic and 154 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: it needs to be paid attention to. You know, they 155 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: had these ridiculous, absurd hearings on Capitol Hill today attacking 156 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: Ice and we'll get into the issue later in the program. 157 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there listening to people, first of all, 158 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: Rodney Scott with the CBP, he's their commissioner, touting all 159 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 1: the accomplishments they have captured, hundreds of thousands of unvetted 160 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: Biden Harris illegals, unvetted alout in this country, and among 161 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: them known terrorists and murderers and rapists and child molesters 162 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: and drug dealers, cartel members, and they never get any 163 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: credit for it. And you know they have, they have 164 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: all these coordinated, well funded insurgencies trying to prevent legal 165 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: law enforcement and laws of this country from being enforced. 166 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Andy Basheer wants to put his hat in the ring 167 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: and potentially be a Democratic presidential candidate for twenty twenty eight. 168 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: So he goes on the view. He knows his constituency, 169 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,559 Speaker 1: he knows if he wants to get the nomination, he's 170 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: got to go hard, hard left, and he's not. He 171 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: didn't sound at all like the conservative that he's always 172 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: tried to, you know, portray himself as. 173 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 2: And it's just sad. 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, even at one point, believe it or not, 175 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: you have this Congresswoman Lamonica mcgiver asking todd Lyons if 176 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: he thinks he's going to hell. I mean, this is 177 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,839 Speaker 1: how absurd this whole thing got, you know, or mister 178 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: feng Fang, Eric Swalwell, you know, asking if if todd 179 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: Lyons is going to apologize to the families of Renee 180 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: Good and Alex Pretty. In the Renee Good case, I 181 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: think it's pretty cut and dry. She did accelerate her 182 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: car was in the direction of an ice agent. That 183 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: ice agent, by every objective measure, was hit and that 184 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: resulted in internal bleeding and injuries. And you know, I'm 185 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: at that point when do people have become responsible? We 186 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: saw the tape ten days earlier, and I'll concede the 187 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: point to Alex Pretty's attorney that what happened ten days ago, 188 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: when when this guy was attacking and calling out and 189 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: cursing out and spitting out and kicking the tail light 190 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: off that car of law enforcement, I mean, it does 191 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: give you a glimpse into his mindset. It's separate and 192 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: apart from what happened that day, but he did go 193 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: to that protest. He was up close and personal to 194 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: those agents. Probably by that point he'd been at so 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: many of those things. I might guess, I don't know. 196 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I know he went to the ten days prior. He 197 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: might have even been known. But he was armed. And 198 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: you know, if you, if you're a responsible gun owner, 199 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: I would advise you never to do that. But that's 200 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: again an untold story. But the bigger picture here is 201 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: you can see in this case why life matters. And 202 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: sometimes maybe it takes one case to remind us that 203 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: every life matters. And then you ask us, well, why 204 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: do some people why do we only hear about the 205 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: George Floyds. You know, Gianno Colwell's a friend of ours 206 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: on this program, and his brother was one of those 207 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: many names of a young man who nothing wrong, just 208 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: just hanging out and got shot and killed in Chicago. 209 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: And Giano's now is pretty much to change the trajectory 210 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: of his life, and he's dedicated his life to helping 211 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: to end crime in Chicago and stop it and bring 212 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: attention to it. 213 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: But all these people never pay attention to it. 214 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 1: You know, if it's not happening to you, what it's 215 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: not happening, it is happening, and it just does raise awareness. 216 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: And I'm I'm all I am saying in this is 217 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: that every life does matter. And you know, I never 218 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: understood why Democrats wouldn't stand for the family of Lake 219 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: and Riley. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't stand for 220 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: the family of Joscelyn Nungary. I mean Lake and Riley, 221 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: nursing student brutally murdered on a jog. Poor Joscelyn Hungary, 222 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: twelve years old, brutally raped, and then you know, murdered 223 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:06,160 Speaker 1: and thrown in a river. And you know, do you 224 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: think those families are ever going to be the same again? 225 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 2: They're not. 226 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: And at that point I just made a determination that 227 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: politics Trump's everything. Unfortunately for this modern Democratic Party, and 228 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: their hatred of Donald Trump guides that have their every 229 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: move because if you can't stand and honor those families 230 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: that lost everything, I mean, think about it, if you 231 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: lost a twelve year old daughter, if you lost a 232 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: nursing student daughter, you know, do you think you'd ever 233 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: be the same again? When we had Nancy Grace on 234 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: this program, and I part of me regrets asking her 235 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: how she got so engaged in crime and what she 236 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: had lived through and that was the murder of her 237 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: fiance and how it impacted her life, that also changed 238 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: the trajectory of her life and how to this day 239 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: she's not the same person she was before that happened. 240 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: And that's what families across this country. That's why restoring 241 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: law and order and bringing safety and security and getting 242 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: rid of criminals in this country and not defunding, dismantling 243 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: police and reimagining police and keeping people in jail. That 244 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: means you need bail laws. You know, that's why you 245 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: do need voter ID what Linda, you know, it matters. 246 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: And my prayer, my hope is is that they find 247 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie. It just becomes the breakthrough that we've been 248 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: hoping for. In this case, it's ten days later. I 249 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: know she needs her medication badly. I am working under 250 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: the assumption she's alive and I'm going to stay there unless, 251 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: you know, God forbid we get bad news. I don't 252 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: want bad news. We have enough violence and death in 253 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: this country will continue. Ay you're ready to get out 254 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: of the media spin room. 255 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: Well, you've come to the right place. 256 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 3: It is the Sean Hannity Show. 257 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: You know, you gotta sometimes just stop and pause and think. 258 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been friends with Cash Patel and 259 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: Dam Bongino and Pam Bondy, and you know, I observe everything. 260 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: I try not to get into the intramural squabbles that 261 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: go on among conservatives because I think they've all lost 262 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: the plot by you know, shooting at each other instead 263 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: of focusing on the bigger picture, which is the left 264 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: in this country and their policies, I mean, the idea. 265 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: They don't want voter id really, they want to defund ice. Really, 266 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: they want to defund this mental no bail all of 267 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: this nonsense. And then of course they vote for the 268 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: largest tax increase in history. They don't stand up for 269 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: working men and women getting rid of taxes on tips 270 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: and overtime. They don't stand up for the elderly, no 271 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: tax on social security. You know, they think paying higher 272 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: gas prices is the price of democracy. And I just 273 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: think of this, and this is what I know has 274 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: frustrated Dan Bongino and Cash and Pam and they just 275 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: is this, you know, Republicans and conservatives and even people click, 276 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: I would argue, are conveniently maga, because if you look 277 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: at their history and the things that they've said in 278 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: every single case, they've been, you know, only conveniently maga. 279 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: But putting that aside, and I'm like, you guys lost 280 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: the plot because the left in the country, if they're 281 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: back in power, they will destroy the country. And while 282 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 1: we might have some differences, is more that should unite us. 283 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: You know, Reagan said, if we're eighty percent in agreement, 284 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: you're not my enemy, you're my friend, and I think 285 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,679 Speaker 1: sometimes we need to remember that. All Right, we'll have 286 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: more on these new developments, images, videos of Nancy Guthrie's 287 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: abductor straight ahead, let me give you a little bit 288 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: of background of foxnews dot com reporting federal agents arrived 289 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: in Tucson last week. And I've known this is going on, 290 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: but I've kind of stayed quiet about it. I'm sure 291 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: you can put together why I know. But the federal 292 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: agents did not exactly receive a warm welcome, and by 293 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: that I mean the FBI in this howering, you know, 294 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: search for Nancy Guthrie and he's abducted from this house 295 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: by force. They have no leads at all. It's from 296 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,440 Speaker 1: her home and Catalina in the foothills in northern Tucson 297 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: around two thirty am and according to the Pima County Sheriff, 298 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: law enforcement sources described a delay in local cooperation with 299 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 1: federal investigators. Now jurisdiction lies with local law enforcement. They 300 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: have to ask for help. President Trump very early on 301 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: said he's making available all federal resources, meaning law enforcement, 302 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: in the search for Nancy Guthrie. And so they were there, 303 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: willing able to help. And you know, it's sad because 304 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: it delayed the cooperation. Now, if you look at some 305 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:53,679 Speaker 1: of the the techniques and the equipment that the FBI has, 306 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: it is you know, for example, like Celebrate, which has 307 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: the ability to take even messages that were erased not 308 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: on the cloud. 309 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: Uh, and they're able to recover them. 310 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: This is probably how they were able to recover this 311 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: this video. 312 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 2: Uh, what do you call it? 313 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: Ring? 314 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: What do you call it ring? Ring? 315 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,920 Speaker 3: She has ring and she has nest. 316 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: Okay, it sounds to me and I'm guessing here, I 317 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: don't know, I haven't seen an exact report on it, 318 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: that that's probably how they recovered all of this and 319 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: it probably happened to Quantico, would probably happened because of 320 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: FBI participation in this. And I don't understand. This happens 321 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: too often with law enforcement, and when it does happen, 322 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: it frustrates me to no end because you know, the 323 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: goal should be not who gets the credit, but just 324 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 1: get the job done. And you know, people should, you know, 325 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: want to cooperate with each other. There's a lot happening 326 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 1: too that I want to just tell you about. And 327 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: the first person that brought this up was last night. 328 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: This was Nancy Gray said, it's time and she's like 329 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: everybody in that family, everybody that knew Nancy Guthrie ought 330 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,119 Speaker 1: to get you know, they ought to sit for a 331 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: light detector test. 332 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: She wasn't wrong. 333 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: Now we have a report today that Nancy Guthrie's landscaper, 334 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: pool cleaner, other hired helper submitting swabs. You know, it's 335 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: now more than a week after the suspected abduction from 336 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: her home in Tucson. According to law enforcement sources, the 337 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: move likely means that DNA results have finally come back 338 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: from inside of the house. Last week, the Pima County 339 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 1: Sheriff said at a news conference, DNA testing on evidence 340 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: outside the home, including the blood drops outside the front door, 341 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: came back to Guthrie. If you know, it's significant because 342 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: it reveals that maybe they did get some DNA from 343 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: inside the home, although if it's people that worked in 344 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: the home, that might not be unusual. But it's something 345 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 1: to go on looking, you know, at this point, the 346 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: look of everything they could possibly find. You know, the 347 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: latest is, you know that this ransom deadline number two 348 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: came and went, and we don't know for sure. They've 349 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: not said whether or not there was another bitcoin address. Now, 350 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: Harvey Levin of TMZ in the original note, he did 351 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: not get the other two notes that went to a 352 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: local news station in Tucson, but he does make it 353 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: he does have a good theory regarding that that he 354 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: thinks that in the original note they said that the 355 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: mother would be returned within nine hours, and if they 356 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: did pay the money, that period of time is long 357 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: since coming gone. And if you if you make a 358 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: radius of a nine hour drive that would also include 359 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: parts of Mexico. That's got to concern people too. I'm 360 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: sure law enforcement is thinking about that as well. The 361 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: reward is still in place, by the way, with the 362 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: FBI fifty thousand dollars and I'm not sure. I am 363 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: thinking based on the brilliant people in this country that 364 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: go online and we're able to use artificial intelligence reverse 365 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: the lighting, assuming that's real, and I think it is real, Linda, 366 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that's real. And you get a much 367 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: clearer picture of the guy. No, granted he has this 368 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: this full face ski mask on, but you do see 369 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: certain facial features. You get a much cleaner view of 370 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:40,800 Speaker 1: the individual, a much cleaner view. So, now that we 371 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: have the video, and obviously this person was self conscious, 372 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: noticed that the camera was there, or knew that the 373 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: camera was there, I don't know. And then you know, 374 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: went and seemed to pick up, you know, dirt and 375 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: flowers and wanted to cover that camera pretty pretty desperately. 376 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: But you know, security experts are saying the FBI is 377 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: best suited to handle this, and that's why it's frustrating 378 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 1: that and I knew this from the beginning that they 379 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: were kind of being pushed off to the side, and 380 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: the chief defended the investigation, say, critics haven't got a clue. 381 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: Isn't that the same guy that was at the basketball game? Linda, 382 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'd be at a basketball game. 383 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: If I was in charge of a case like this, 384 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: would you be at a basketball game? I don't think 385 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: I would be. 386 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of things about this case 387 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 3: that are super weird. But you know, in looking at 388 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 3: the comments online, you know, one of the things that 389 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 3: I was talking about with the team, and that's really troubling, 390 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 3: is there's a lot of people missing right now. A 391 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: lot of them are kids. And obviously this is a celebrity, 392 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 3: so it gets celebrity attention, it gets federal reinforcement. We 393 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: got senators involved, we got the President involved. There's a 394 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 3: girl in the same area in Tucson. She's like, I 395 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 3: think she's seventeen or eighteen years old. She's been missing 396 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 3: since the middle of January. Nobody's doing anything for her, 397 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: you know, just a little kid. Haven't seen her in 398 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 3: you know, a month. And I think that's the thing 399 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 3: that average Americans are struggling with. Well, my heart goes 400 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 3: out to the Guthrie family and any family whose mother's son, uncle, cousin, brother, aunt, 401 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: friend has been kidnapped and is missing. It's heartbreaking. But 402 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 3: the amount of coverage that we are seeing on this. 403 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: It's heartbreaking that we can't do this kind of investigation 404 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,120 Speaker 3: for everybody. It's really sad. But I will say it's 405 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 3: awesome to see what you said. These people coming out 406 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 3: online doing what they're doing. It's their ability to pick 407 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 3: up little things and things you don't see, and I 408 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: love it. 409 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: I think that's really cool. 410 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: I love their genius and if they make fun of 411 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: me sometimes. I love when they're really funny. I really do. 412 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: And I love what their ability to do all of it. 413 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: I mean, you've seen all the AI generated videos of 414 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,520 Speaker 1: a wedding of mind that never took place. 415 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: I mean it's hilarious. I find that it. 416 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 3: Tux was great though, you looked fantastic. 417 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 2: I'd look fantastic. 418 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 3: Your AI version of you was looking very sharp on 419 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 3: your fake wedding day, So kudos. 420 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,679 Speaker 2: Oh, I just think it's funny. 421 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: Me crying though, that one pissed me off because I 422 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: don't cry. 423 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 3: But the twins, the twins looked very healthy at birth. 424 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the twins. 425 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 3: Can't believe what you read online, guys, especially with AI 426 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,200 Speaker 3: is scary. 427 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: The worst part is is some of my closest friends 428 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: see it, like on Facebook. 429 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 2: I got so social media messages. 430 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: So well, well, you didn't have to invite me, but 431 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: you could have at least told me, oh my, oh 432 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: my gosh, what's wrong with you. We've been friends forever, 433 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: You've read every horrible thing about me in the world. 434 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: I do think that there are things that we should 435 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: pay attention to. There's a former SWAT team captain. His 436 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: name is Josh Schirard. He was interviewed by the Daily 437 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: Mail and you know, again, this gets very complicated in 438 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: terms of what's the right thing to do or the 439 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: wrong thing to do, in terms of if if you're 440 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: not able to communicate with the people that you believe 441 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: have your loved one and they don't show proof of life, 442 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: then it becomes, you know, a little more dicey. The 443 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: fact that this was a kind of suff Look what 444 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: I'm seeing in this video is somebody that this is 445 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: a premeditated crime and with a lot of thought and 446 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: sophistication behind the bitcoin ploy Because as soon as you 447 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: have a bitcoin address, if that money was ever sent, 448 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: now we know it wasn't sent to the original address, 449 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: but another address could be set up, another account could 450 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: be set up. In ten minutes, It's not that hard 451 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:39,159 Speaker 1: to do anybody that has had any cryptocurrency, But with 452 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: no direct line established between the Guthrie family, it's a 453 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: much harder call. Veteran FBI special agent Lands Lessing of 454 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: Arizona suggested that the fact that the notes were sent 455 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: to media outlets rather than negotiators or family members, that 456 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 1: that's a red flag to him, and his analysis was, 457 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: it's a legitimate if it's in a legitimate ransom case. 458 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Kidnappers move fast, They established leverage quickly, communication begins within hours, 459 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: not days, of an abduction. Proof of life is produced 460 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: early and often, and this case has not followed the 461 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: history of a typical kidnapping at all. Now, another thing 462 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: is ninety percent of the time these are just the odds. 463 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: And I'm not casting aspersions and we don't rush to judgment, 464 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: but ninety percent of abductions do involve someone that the 465 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: abducted person knows, and a lot of times, unfortunately that's 466 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: family or someone very very close to the family, or 467 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: in the case of Elizabeth Smart, somebody that worked at 468 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: the family home that the father was doing a favor 469 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: for so And another thing, we don't know everything that 470 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: law enforcement knows, and that's why I. 471 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: Signed to that point. Josh Cherart is actually a friend 472 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: of our show. He's the director of law enforcement for Berner, 473 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 3: but he's a thirty year SWAT officer, and the one 474 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 3: thing that he's been talking a lot about is how 475 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: the elderly are easy prey and Berne is doing a 476 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: whole thing on helping the elderly and getting them armed 477 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 3: and teaching them self defense, because it's not just like 478 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: women or children, it's there's a whole other class of 479 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 3: people that are being preyed upon. Hence this case. 480 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I hope people see to your point earlier that 481 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: you you ask a very legitimate question. Young girl's been 482 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: missing for a long time in the same area and 483 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 1: nobody knows their name. That's a problem. That all the 484 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,479 Speaker 1: people shot shot and killed every weekend in Chicago. I've 485 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: been talking about it for decades. I've scrolled their names 486 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: for decades. That's a problem. You know all these you 487 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: know Lake and Riley's family, Rachel Morin's family, you know, 488 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: all those lives matter. And maybe as a result of this, 489 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: maybe people will take you know the fact that we 490 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 1: need law and order and not defund dismantle NOBIL, and 491 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 1: we need to fund the ice not defund ice, and 492 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: that we need voter ID and things like that. Maybe 493 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: people's perspectives will change a little bit. And again I'm 494 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: not really trying to be political here, it's just common sense. 495 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: Let's go to Doug in Tennessee. 496 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 2: Doug, how are you. 497 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 5: I'm doing good, Sean. I just wanted to tell you 498 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 5: thank you for all you do. 499 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 2: Without thank you, sir. 500 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 5: We wouldn't get a lot of the information we do. 501 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 5: But I want to be the bad guy for you. 502 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 5: I know you don't want to, and I completely understand. 503 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 5: And let me say that I hope and I pray 504 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 5: that this idea that I am thinking on is completely wrong. 505 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 5: But let's look at it from the eyes of the 506 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 5: kidnapper himself. And I don't think anybody has really done 507 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 5: that if you were the kidnapper now, and let's go 508 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 5: on the presumption that the the brandom was a ransom 509 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 5: was not paid yesterday, Being that as it would look 510 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 5: to the kidnapper, they don't know who you are. They 511 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 5: haven't been able to trace your email. It almost seems 512 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 5: like you wouldn't want to be making any more contact 513 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 5: than you had to because you're exposing yourself. What is 514 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 5: the chances there that they have already taken her life, 515 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 5: gotten rid of her body, and we're never going to 516 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 5: hear from the kidnapper or see her mother's or you know, 517 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 5: retrieve the remains. I pray to God that doesn't happen. 518 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 5: But if you look at it through the eyes of 519 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 5: the kidnapper, that would seem to be a viable option 520 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: for them. And I pray that I'm wrong. 521 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: I pray you're wrong too. It's certainly something that is real. 522 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and put my head 523 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: in a send. Doug, appreciate it. I know where you're 524 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: coming from. Americans have a heart. Americans are good people, 525 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: all right, quickly, Susan Arizona. Hey, Susan John. 526 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: I just wanted to comment on the sheriff who went 527 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: to the University of Arizona game basketball game instead of 528 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 4: being at work or whatever. And my husband and I 529 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 4: are both former law enforcements. I was a federal agent, 530 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 4: he's a Phoenix cop, and we we're total opposites on that. 531 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 4: He thinks he's kind of like, oh, give him a break. 532 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: Everybody needs a rest. And I said, I said, the 533 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 4: reason that I think it's terrible is because when something 534 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 4: like that happens, whether you're FBI or cops or whatever, 535 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 4: sheriff's deputies, it's all hands on deck. And if I, 536 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 4: as just a regular agent, had tickets to a game 537 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: and said, hey, I really need to go to this game. 538 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 4: I have the tickets, they were just tough, just tough, 539 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 4: and so as a leader, I think you have to 540 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: lead by example. So I just thought it was interesting 541 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: that the both of us buried so deep. 542 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, it gets me, Matt, like, if my kids 543 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: take off a day from work, they better give me 544 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: a good reason or I get pissed. I'm like, you know, 545 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: like one day last week, I got a tooth pulled on 546 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: a root canal. On the same day, I still did 547 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: radio and TV. I like to show up for work, 548 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Linda takes off all the time. 549 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: It's infuriating. 550 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: That's me footloose and fancy free. 551 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: No, it's teasing. Eight hundred and nine point one, Sean. 552 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: If you want to be a part of the program, 553 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: all right, we'll continue. 554 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 5: By the way. 555 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: Nicole Parker on the other side, also will check in 556 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: with Jason Pack, retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent