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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beautiful mom dead in

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Speaker 1: her own home, not only bludgeoned, but then stabbed repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: But why, I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in

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Speaker 1: Serious xem one eleven. Much has been made of the

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Speaker 1: fact that this is a very quiet, secluded neighborhood that

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Speaker 1: has never seen a crime such as this. Listen.

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Speaker 2: It was a shock because it's a quiet street. They

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Speaker 2: seem like good people, so I think this was just

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Speaker 2: taking everybody surprise on this entire block.

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Speaker 3: Akron officers converged on the neighborhood around one o'clock Tuesday

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Speaker 3: afternoon after someone from a local college called the police.

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Speaker 4: Neighbors tell me a loving family live here, a mother,

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Speaker 4: a father, and their teenage children, and they never.

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Speaker 1: Saw this coming.

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Speaker 5: It just tricks you to the cord.

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Speaker 4: When Teresa Stafford came home for lunch Tuesday afternoon, she

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Speaker 4: was not expecting anything out of the ordinary, and I.

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Speaker 5: Heard a scream. I did not pay any attention to

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Speaker 5: who was at the time cooking had paused the television.

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Speaker 5: I thought, Okay, that's really weird, so she.

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Speaker 4: Went outside to check things out.

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Speaker 1: How many times have we heard that scenario? You're hearing

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Speaker 1: our friends at WOO and News five joining me an

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Speaker 1: all star panel to make sense of what we know

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Speaker 1: right now. But first to Brian Stano, Summon County Assistant prosecutor,

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Speaker 1: lead prosecutor on the high profile murder trial. You know,

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Speaker 1: Brian Stano, how often have you had cases where when

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Speaker 1: you go back and you start questioning neighbors and ultimately witnesses,

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Speaker 1: even though they're hearing something very alarming. They quote e

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Speaker 6: Well, that is in that is unusual. Indeed, we have

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to go to Lieutenant Dave Witten

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Speaker 1: joining me in addition to Brian Stano, Lieutenant Witton, City

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Speaker 1: of Akron, Ohio Police Department, Detective Bureau command or Crimes

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Speaker 1: against Persons. Lieutenant, thank you for being with us. Have

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Speaker 1: you noticed that in other cases, I think that people don't.

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Speaker 1: It's not like we're living with blinders on, but I

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Speaker 1: that was the TV, or oh that wasn't That wasn't

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Speaker 7: Yes, I would agree with that. It seems like, you know,

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Speaker 7: they get so used to unfortunately sound sounds in their neighborhood,

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Speaker 7: including gunfire or anything else, and then they just move on.

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Speaker 7: It's not like it's not like it used to be.

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Speaker 7: I guess when I first started, when you know, people

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Speaker 1: Exactly. Doctor Carla Manley joining me high profile clinical psychologists.

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Speaker 1: You can find her at doctor Carlamanley dot com. What

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Speaker 1: is that, doctor Carla, is that we don't want to

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Speaker 1: consider that a lady is getting bludgeoned with a frying

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Speaker 1: She just couldn't take in that someone's getting murdered.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. I think it's twofold. A. We tend to try

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Speaker 1: I think that's the first one, right right, what you

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Speaker 1: just said. Let me quote the office what she said.

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Speaker 1: Say that again. That's what we're trying to verbalize. What now.

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Speaker 8: We tend to try to normalize the environment with's occurring

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Speaker 8: So we feel better when we're able to make a

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Speaker 1: Okay, doctor Manley, so beautifully put and so dead on,

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Speaker 1: So correct, guys, what happened inside that home? Take listen

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Speaker 1: our friends at w IO.

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Speaker 4: She saw a young woman coming out of a home

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Speaker 4: The young woman collapsed on the ground. Stafford couldn't tell

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Speaker 5: Originally they had put the young lady in a police car.

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Speaker 5: They hadn't put her into paramedic, but then eventually they

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Speaker 1: So we know something horrible has gone on. One woman

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Speaker 1: give her to the paramedics as well. What happened inside

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Speaker 5: The mom came out on a stretcher and they carried

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Speaker 4: A little before one Tuesday afternoon, they got a call

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Speaker 4: Inside they fell women stabbed several times. Both women were

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Speaker 1: joining us investigated crime reporter for the US Sun. Rachel,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. You guys

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Speaker 1: how this woman, Brenda Powell died. She suffered from blows

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Speaker 1: from a frying pan. And how many times was she stabbed?

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Speaker 9: So prosecutors say that she was stabbed about thirty times,

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Speaker 9: so obviously a very violent crime.

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Speaker 1: And tell me about the neighborhood. Rachel Dobkin, Well, it is.

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Speaker 9: A very quiet neighborhood. You know we heard before the

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Speaker 9: unsuspecting neighbors, they could not believe something like this would

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Speaker 1: So this is a whole subdivision outside of Akron, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it. Tell me about the neighborhood.

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Speaker 6: It's a quiet neighborhood. It's in West Akron, It's very

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Speaker 1: The reason I ask it doesn't matter as far as

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Speaker 1: makes it even more unusual statistically speaking, when it's not

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Speaker 1: I will never forget Jack. You remember this and a

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Speaker 1: very exclusive enclave in Atlanta. There was a big, fancy

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Speaker 7: There right in this particular street. I had to even

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Speaker 1: Completely out of the ordinary. So who who goes into

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Speaker 1: pan and then stabs her at least thirty times. Very quickly, guys,

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Speaker 1: Price is missing. This beautiful woman has dementia. If you

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Speaker 1: Sunday morning. I'm just learning about it. She's loving, she's kind.

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Speaker 1: Her family is heartbroken. Please send your prayers and share

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Speaker 1: Claudia Price. Come home Crime Stories with me. It'sy Greece.

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Speaker 1: Rachel Dodkin is joining US investigative crime reporter from US SUN.

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Speaker 1: But first I'm jumping off what Rachel told us to.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Jeffrey Jensen, Professor forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy and

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Speaker 1: Forensic Services, University of Michigan Medical School. Okay, that's not shabby.

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Speaker 1: Foreign medical examiner, Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, doctor Jensen, thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us. When you hear Rachel Dodkin say

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Speaker 1: beaten with a frying pan plus dad thirty times, my guess,

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Speaker 1: Alexander at least twenty nine times. Some medical examiners differ

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you bring up, you know, certain points about investigating stabbing.

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Speaker 11: As far as the environment is, although rare, it's you know,

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Speaker 11: homicides do happen in nice neighborhoods. As far as stab wounds,

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Speaker 11: in after receiving wounds. When you see the excessive injuries.

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Speaker 13: Something went horribly wrong, and that prompted a caller from

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Speaker 13: That caller had first been on the phone with Sidney Powell,

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Speaker 10: Explain, they're on the phone and there was a lot

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Speaker 13: When officers arrived, they found Brenda Powell suffering from stab wounds.

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Speaker 13: Sydney Powell was taken to the hospital with minor injuries

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Speaker 13: and for Powell's coworkers at Akron Children's Hospital, a spokesperson

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Speaker 1: To Rachel Dobkin, investigator of crime, reporter or us Son,

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Speaker 9: So, Brenda was a life specialist, and that's basically a

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Speaker 9: She said she was a mom figure to her because

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Speaker 1: You know, Rachel Doupkin, I'm so glad you told me that.

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Speaker 1: When I read about Brenda and investigated about her, I

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Speaker 1: Lileutenant Dave Whitten joining us Sacred City of Akron Police

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Speaker 1: wondered it so often when I was prosecuting in Inner

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Speaker 7: Why. Yeah, this is one thing about this case is

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Speaker 7: you know, our victim, Brenda Powell. It's just I mean,

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Speaker 7: when you listen to the people that she worked with,

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Speaker 7: the lives that she tested at Acrann Children's Hospital through

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Speaker 7: the Child Life Program. I don't have any explanation for that.

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Speaker 7: I just it's just one of these things that makes

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Speaker 7: had and what she meant to the kids at Children's hospital.

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Speaker 1: And she's a young woman, she had her whole life

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Speaker 1: in front of her. You stated that you came to

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Speaker 7: What did you say, Well, there, we already knew something

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Speaker 7: of we had some MS trucks too, So I knew

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Speaker 7: something serious had happened and it was just it was

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Speaker 7: actually one of the most violent scenes I've ever seen.

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Speaker 10: Once we got inside, when you walked and what.

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Speaker 7: Did you say, Well, actually, most of the house was intact.

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Speaker 7: It didn't look like there was any anything out of place,

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Speaker 7: and Officer Legacy walked me through. I saw immediately when

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Speaker 7: we turned on the main hallway to the bedrooms, you

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Speaker 7: could see there was a lot of blood smears that

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Speaker 7: and he was pointing out different blood smudges, and as

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Speaker 7: it was just, I mean, there was a significant amount

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Speaker 7: the knife were visible along with the cell phone, and

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Speaker 7: I really have never seen that much blood in one

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Speaker 7: we later discovered that there was blood that was seeping

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Speaker 1: Brian Stano joining us, a veteran trial lawyer in Summit County. Brian,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like someone had tried to block the mom

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Speaker 1: and then the majority of the blood was in the bedroom.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like someone was trying to get away, like

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Speaker 1: the attack on Brenda may have happened where the sofa was,

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Speaker 6: Well, that's not how I believe it happened. We saw

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Speaker 6: She was found in her bedroom. She was on the

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Speaker 6: Brenda or her killer after this brutal attack, that they

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Speaker 1: I say, Brian stan I don't want to interrupt you.

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Speaker 1: I want' you keep going. But I see so those

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Speaker 1: the victim. You're saying it's the killer. Okay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot from what you and Lieutenant Wittn

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Speaker 6: Absolutely when they arrived on the scene, Brenda was found

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Speaker 6: this evidence was strongly pointing to whoever the killer was

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Speaker 6: that after this murder or this attack, that they had

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Speaker 1: Wow, you and Lieutenant Winden, I'm telling you. Between you

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Speaker 1: two and Rachel Dobkin I'm seeing a scene that would

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Speaker 1: make a lot of officers vomit. You guys, ever seen

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Speaker 1: an officer vomit at a crime scene because it's so

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Speaker 1: bloody and disturbing? Anybody?

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Speaker 7: I have?

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Speaker 1: I didn't vomit. I've seen other officers just like heave

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Speaker 1: because it's just so much. Okay, guys, who, what, where? Why?

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Speaker 1: And when? Listen?

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Speaker 3: The crime scene tape in front of this home is gone,

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Speaker 3: in this Wallhaven neighborhood of Akron, where a nineteen year

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Speaker 3: old woman has now charged with murdering her mother. For

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Speaker 3: twenty eight years, Brenda Powell worked at Akron Children's in

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Speaker 3: the Shower Center for childhood cancer and blood disorders. Her

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Speaker 3: tragic death has stunned coworkers and her neighbors on Scudder Drive,

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Speaker 5: I'm stand.

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Speaker 11: Something like that could happen between a mother and.

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Speaker 13: Daughters, Stafford says, what really hurts the Powell seemed like

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Speaker 2: Mom, daughter, son, typical family like you never heard them,

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Speaker 2: you know, do any arguing? Usually dad and son play basketball,

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Speaker 1: Okay? What the daughter, the teen daughter, Sidney Powell, charged

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Speaker 1: frying pan, stabbing her multiple times thirty at least? Okay,

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Speaker 1: how do how does this whole thing unfold? Take a

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Speaker 1: listen to hour cut thirteen. This is Stephen Powell, the

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Speaker 14: Listen, were you or Brenda aware of any academic problems

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 14: Did she ever share with you that she had been

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 14: Okay? I guess when she came home that summer? Well,

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Speaker 14: I mean, I don't want to assume. Did she come

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Speaker 16: She did?

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Speaker 7: What does she do that summer?

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Speaker 1: She had a job?

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Speaker 6: Okay?

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Speaker 14: Where does she work?

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Speaker 15: The baseball team down here, that Robbie.

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Speaker 14: Ducks, the Akron rubber Ducks. What'd she do for them?

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Speaker 15: I worked in the kids zone?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

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Speaker 14: And during that summer, did you, again, I need to

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay. I'm still not understanding why the nineteen year old

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Speaker 15: The only thing that I knew is when I tried

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Speaker 14: The the app that Mountain Union had. Yeah, they're like

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Speaker 1: I think it's called.

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Speaker 14: A portal, okay, And you would even try to sign

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't let you in correct.

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Speaker 6: Why were you trying to get into that portal?

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Speaker 15: Seemed because the five twenty nine plan didn't cover all

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Speaker 10: Okay?

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Speaker 16: And when you had difficulty logging onto that poor what

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Speaker 15: I had Sydney, what was going on about it?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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Speaker 12: What does she say?

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Speaker 15: There was a mistake with Mount Union?

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Speaker 1: And she'd look into it.

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Speaker 14: Okay, And but at that point you had no reason

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Speaker 1: She's telling you the correct Okay. I'm starting to smell

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Speaker 1: a rat and I'm going to go to Brion Stano,

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Speaker 1: Summit County prosecutor, veteran trial lawyer, my brother would drop

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Speaker 1: out of classes all the time, and at that time

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Speaker 1: it was a Mercer university where all three of us

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Speaker 1: ended up going and graduating. They would send the grades

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Speaker 1: to the home address and my brother would figure out

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Speaker 1: when they were going to come. And my sister was

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Speaker 1: all a plus and catch says she majored in accounting

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Speaker 1: and German with the minor in chemistry. Brilliant. My brother

450
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Speaker 1: would not let us say, apply himself, so he would

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Speaker 1: get the grades out of the mailbox and hide them

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Speaker 1: always in his glove compartment of his car. And my sister,

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Speaker 1: who's the brainiac, would never get her grades to our grades.

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Speaker 1: Would she have to go to the register to find

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Speaker 1: out her grades. Finally, by the way, even though he

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Speaker 1: was a C minus student, he is the one that

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Speaker 1: ends up with the big house on the golf course. Okay,

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Speaker 1: not my brainiac's sister. I'm certainly not on a golf course.

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Speaker 1: It was him, the C minus student, my brother, so

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Speaker 1: maybe he was smarter than all of us. Long story short.

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Speaker 1: The portal, let me understand this, Brian Stano. The portal

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Speaker 1: is where you log on and you find out like

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Speaker 1: grades and how much money you owe, and that's what

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Speaker 1: they're talking about.

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Speaker 6: A portal, Yes, that's what they're talking about. And not

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Speaker 6: to date myself. But back when I was in college

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Speaker 6: in law school, grades were mailed out. But these days,

468
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Speaker 6: you know, in the year twenty twenty, grades they're all online.

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Speaker 6: It's all digital and grades and tuition information. If that

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Speaker 6: is going to be accessed by a parent, they have

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Speaker 6: to go online. They have to log in to see

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Speaker 6: tuition amounts, what's owed, and grades and everything like that.

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Speaker 1: When I heard him say a five twenty nine that

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Speaker 1: said savings plan, I opened up one for the twins

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Speaker 1: when they were born to make it get interest until

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Speaker 1: the time they went to college. So he's trying to

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Speaker 1: pay his daughter's additional tuition and he can't get into

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Speaker 1: the portal. PS my brother did graduate. I want that

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Speaker 1: on the record. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 7: What was the first.

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Speaker 16: Issue that came up with Sydney and Mount.

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Speaker 6: Union that you recall.

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Speaker 3: I believe Mount Union called me.

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Speaker 15: They called me, and I the conversation was that Sidney

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Speaker 15: wasn't enrolled anymore. And then I asked for how long

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Speaker 15: and they said you have to ask.

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Speaker 14: Her, okay, And I'm sure that came as a shock

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Speaker 14: to you, yes, and again they said they you have

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Speaker 14: to ask. I know it sounds cold, but they're saying

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Speaker 14: you have to ask her because they can't give you

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Speaker 14: any more.

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Speaker 15: Right, that was my assumption.

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Speaker 1: Uh oh, she's not enrolled anymore. Back to Rachel Dobkins

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Speaker 1: joining US investigative crime reporter US son, Rachel, why wasn't

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Speaker 1: she enrolled anymore?

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Speaker 9: That was because she had failed three out of the

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Speaker 9: four classes she had in her fall semester of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: How many does she fail? Rachel?

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Speaker 9: Three out of four classes?

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Speaker 1: That's why she's not enrolled anymore. And wait, this is

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Speaker 1: bringing back horrible visions of top mom Casey Anthony, who

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Speaker 1: said she was working at Universal Studios and would even

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Speaker 1: dress up in the outfit with a name tag on it.

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Speaker 1: And the whole time she was not working. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how long, maybe a couple of years.

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Speaker 1: So let me understand this. Brian Stano, the daughter then

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Speaker 1: nineteen year old Sidney Powell, would pretend she was going

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Speaker 1: to class every day.

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Speaker 6: She actually would. She and her roommate would wake up

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Speaker 6: at the same time and they'd get ready, get dressed,

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Speaker 6: and go off to class. The roommate to her classes,

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Speaker 6: and Sydney supposedly to her class says, but the roommate

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Speaker 6: was none the wiser. She thought Sydney was going to

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Speaker 6: her classes. And actually Sidney, what we learned, she'd go

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Speaker 6: to the library all day and sit in the library,

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Speaker 6: and to the point where she actually would tell her

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Speaker 6: parents she got a job in the library. So she

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Speaker 6: was definitely pretending that she was still a student, still

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Speaker 6: going to class.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just trying to get my head around this

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Speaker 1: because you know, Lieutenant Dave Wenten joining me City of Akron,

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Speaker 1: Ohio Police Department, Detective Bureau and commander. You know, I'd

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Speaker 1: prosecuted a lot of drug crimes. A lot of it

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Speaker 1: starts off as the burglary and the victim gets killed.

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Speaker 1: A lot of job by shootings, carjackings, but never a

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Speaker 1: murder over bad grays. Lieutenant Wentten, have you ever seen

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Speaker 1: this before?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this is one of the things that definitely made

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Speaker 7: this case unique is the circumstances surrounding this. You know,

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Speaker 7: as mister Standos said, we know that Sydney was expelled

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Speaker 7: from a union back in December of nineteen twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: She actually got a certified letter sent to her house

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Speaker 7: and she didn't tell her parents. We discovered through the

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Speaker 7: investigation that she they weren't aware of anything. They would

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Speaker 7: we have nothing at all. They weren't aware that she

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Speaker 7: was expelled this, they weren't aware that she was on

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Speaker 7: academic probation following her freshman year.

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Speaker 1: So easily avoidable, Lieutenant, And guess what, this isn't the

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Speaker 1: first time this has happened. Take a listen to our

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Speaker 1: cut twenty seven about Chloe Stein, twenty three, set to

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Speaker 1: graduate college that weekend. Our friends at KDKA.

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Speaker 17: Twenty three years old, that is Chloe Stein's age. She

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Speaker 17: was set to graduate from Penn State Greater Allegheny this weekend.

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Speaker 17: Her mother is desperate for answers. She tells me that

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Speaker 17: Chloe's boyfriend was the last person to communicate with her

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Speaker 17: via texts, and it was her boyfriend and two friends

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Speaker 17: who found Chloe's car earlier today from where she work, and.

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Speaker 1: Of course especially cast on the boyfriend when Chloe Stein

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Speaker 1: disappears her car park under a bridge. Guess what. She

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Speaker 1: didn't want her mother to find out she wasn't going

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Speaker 1: to graduate on time, really, so she faked her own kidnapping.

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Speaker 1: Very quickly, guys, before we say another word, I want

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Speaker 1: to tell you about a Silver alert and at risk

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Speaker 1: missing person. It's a beautiful senior, Claudia Price. She's seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Anyone who knows anyone in or near Tulsa or Oklahoma City,

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Speaker 1: Claudia Price is missing. This beautiful woman has dementia. If

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Speaker 1: you can share this story with your friends, to anyone

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Speaker 1: in the Oklahoma area, please do it. She's been missing

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Speaker 1: since Sunday morning. I'm just learning about it. She's loving,

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Speaker 1: she's kind, Her family is heartbroken. Please send your prayers

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Speaker 1: and share this post. If you want to know more,

562
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Speaker 1: go to crimeonline dot com where we have it posted.

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Speaker 1: Claudia Price last scene on Sunday in Tulsa. She was

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Speaker 1: wearing a bright blue button up blouse, black pants, and

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Speaker 1: black shoes. If you have seen her, please call nine

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Speaker 1: to one one. Claudia Price come home Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Okay, guys, I want you to hear more

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Speaker 1: from the father and our cut twenty two.

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Speaker 16: Sydney told you that Brenda was on the phone with

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Speaker 16: Mount Union. Yes, and that's when you told Sidney that

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Speaker 16: the police were.

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Speaker 14: On the way to the house.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Okay, and that's according to you, that that's when Sidney

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Speaker 14: got hysterical and said someone had broken the into the house.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and then you.

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Speaker 14: Actually called Detective D's back to say that you know,

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Speaker 14: this is legit, something's going on.

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Speaker 6: You told him that. I don't remember that, but I

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Speaker 6: believe it.

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Speaker 15: But I don't remember calling him, but okay, I believe it.

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Speaker 1: Oh that poor man his wife stabbed and bludgeoned dead

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Speaker 1: and his daughter facing murder charges all over bad grades

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Speaker 1: and dropping out of school. Really okay, I no want

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Speaker 1: you to hear Michelle Gaffney, Associate dean of students at

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Speaker 1: Mountain Union College.

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Speaker 18: Listen, Dean Fraser was I was speaking and simply said, Brenda,

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Speaker 18: this is Dean Fraser. I'm sitting here with Michelle Gaffney,

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Speaker 18: our associated You know, students were returning your call. And

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Speaker 18: that's about as far as as we got. There was

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Speaker 18: a very large or a very loud sort of thud,

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Speaker 18: sound like a pound, a pounding or a thud, accompanied

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Speaker 18: by us by a pretty loud scream. And the scream

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Speaker 18: might have actually been first and then the thud as

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Speaker 18: I think about it, And then there was sort of

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Speaker 18: a an expulsion The other sound that I heard at

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Speaker 18: the same time or right after, was sort of an

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Speaker 18: expulsion of air, like the air was knocked out of somebody.

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Speaker 18: The other sound that I heard at the same time

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Speaker 18: or right after was sort of an expulsion of air,

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Speaker 18: like the air was knocked out of somebody. I'd always

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Speaker 18: heard that expression of the air being, you know, having

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Speaker 18: the wind knocked out of you, but I didn't. That's

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Speaker 18: actually what it sounded like. And then several more repeated thuds.

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Speaker 18: I don't know how to describe the sound. Yeah, did you.

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Speaker 6: Hear any communication during these thuds?

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Speaker 1: Just the screaming to doctor Jeffrey Jensen joining US Professor

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Speaker 1: Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy at University of Michigan Medical School,

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Speaker 1: what is she saying? An expulsion of air and a thud.

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Speaker 11: Well, it's basically the dying process.

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Speaker 12: When an individual stops.

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Speaker 11: Has a cardiac arrest, or there is an extanguination of

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Speaker 11: blood that they can no longer continue to breathe. There's

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Speaker 11: just an expulsion of the air that has already been

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Speaker 11: inspired into the lungs, and it.

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Speaker 7: Does have kind of a.

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Speaker 11: Degassing, so to speak, of the body.

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Speaker 1: Just trying to imagine what you're saying, Rachel Dobkin joining

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Speaker 1: US investigative crime reporter us Son, I don't understand why

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Speaker 1: she attacked her mother with a frying pan and by

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Speaker 1: NiFe over the bad grades. Rachel, what more do you know? Well?

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Speaker 9: I know that you know there was some arguments with

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Speaker 9: in court where they said that she might have had

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Speaker 9: some mental health issues, and there was mentioned by the

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Speaker 9: defense that she suffered from schizophrenia and she had a

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Speaker 9: psychotic break.

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Speaker 1: Okay, a psychotic break. In simple terms, Doctor Carla Manly,

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Speaker 1: clinical psychologist and author of Date Smart. Doctor Carla, what

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Speaker 1: is that psychotic break?

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Speaker 8: Then a person has schizophrenia. Many times they have what

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Speaker 8: we call negatives them lethargy, a lack of interest in

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Speaker 8: daily activities. Then they can have symptoms where they're acting out, delusions, hallucinations,

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Speaker 8: or a full blown psychotic break where they lose control

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Speaker 8: and often have no memory whatsoever of what occurred.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So psychotic break is when you lose control and

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Speaker 1: you have no memory of it. Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 8: In general?

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Speaker 1: Got it? Brian Stano joining me, high profile prosecutor there

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Speaker 1: in Summit County. Brian, let me understand this. I want

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Speaker 1: to pull together what you and Lieutenant Dave Whitten said.

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Speaker 1: At first, the then nineteen year old daughter said was

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Speaker 1: saying on the phone, somebody had broken in, and we

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Speaker 1: see a sofa pushed away, we see a broken sliding

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Speaker 1: glass door, we see a broken window in the back.

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Speaker 1: It's all that, correct, Brian.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's all correct.

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Speaker 1: Would you say it was stage? She looked like a

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Speaker 1: break in.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, it was absolutely stage to look like a break in.

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Speaker 1: She is no more mentally ill with psychotic b than

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Speaker 1: my rear end. Because if you can plan all that,

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Speaker 1: you're not crazy and then lie about it. And all

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Speaker 1: the time she was lying about her grades and then

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Speaker 1: tried to make this look like an intruder, and then

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Speaker 1: when the cops get there, she falls back like she's

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Speaker 1: in so much grief and shot.

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Speaker 6: B as Stano, I totally agree. That's what the evidence showed.

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Speaker 6: She actually got these poor administrators from this college. When

660
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 6: they're speaking to Brenda, they heard her last words on earth,

661
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 6: she said, Hi, thank you for calling me back, and

662
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 6: they hear these screams and thuds. They call back several

663
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 6: times because they're concerned about Brenda. And after the attack,

664
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 6: after they hear those thuds and that expelling of air.

665
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 6: They call back and the phone is picked up, and

666
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 6: what they hear is in the call and what they

667
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 6: describe is the calmest voice I've ever heard. Hi, this

668
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 6: is Brenda. It was Sydney pretending to be her mom

669
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 6: in the middle of this attack.

670
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Dear Lord in Heaven, what more can you tell me,

671
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: Brian Stana, Because I did not know that fact right there,

672
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: that you just said that she had the wherewithal to

673
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: pretend to be her mother.

674
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 6: She absolutely did. She got on the phone and those

675
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 6: administrators said, Sydney, this is you. This isn't Brenda. We

676
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 6: know this is you. Click, the line goes dead. And

677
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 6: what else we know based on the investigation is and

678
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 6: what the blood spatter showed, she actually had the wherewithal.

679
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 6: When she's told by her father the police are on

680
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: the way, she goes outside the home as her mom

681
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: is laying there dead or dying in a pool of blood.

682
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 6: She goes outside the home to the back of the house,

683
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 6: breaks in the window from the outside and her blood

684
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 6: and Brenda's blood was later found on the outside of

685
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 6: the home on the aluminum siding, So she actually had

686
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 6: the wherewithal to go outside the home break in the

687
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 6: window from the outside, as if an intruder had broken

688
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 6: in from the outside. That's what she had the wherewithal

689
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 6: to do in just these minutes. She only had minutes

690
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 6: to think about this, and she was able to do

691
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 6: this in that period of time, and when the police arrived,

692
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 6: that's the first thing out of her mouth. There was

693
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 6: a break in. There was a break in. She knew

694
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 6: what she was doing.

695
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Ryan Stano, can you describe from me her demainer in

696
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: court when you were trying this case.

697
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 6: During during the beginning of the trial, I think she

698
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 6: was definitely teary eyed and sad. There were actually moments that,

699
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 6: to our surprise, which I had never seen in my

700
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 6: career as a prosecutor, certain moments of this trial where

701
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 6: the defense actually excused her from the trial. For when

702
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 6: we were showing crime scene photos or the body camera

703
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 6: from the police, anything graphic, he would actually excuse her

704
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 6: from the trial by saying it was just too much

705
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 6: for her to see. As the trial went on, I

706
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 6: think she got less teary and a little more resolved

707
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 6: and honestly, in my experience, Nancy, when there is a

708
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 6: time in every trial where somebody who's on trial for murder, realizes,

709
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 6: oh my goodness, I'm being held accountable. This thing's over.

710
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: And I think in the middle of the trial it

711
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 6: started to hit her. And from the innocent looking crying,

712
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 6: trying to portray sadness, as the trial went on, she

713
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 6: got more resolved, steely eyed, stone face, showing no emotion,

714
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 6: and I think she knew she was in trouble.

715
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: Were there times she would actually cover her ears.

716
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 6: Yes, well, it looked like she was covering her ears,

717
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 6: but from the way she was covering your ears, I

718
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 6: still think she could hear everything that was being said.

719
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Okay, you're not a strinth, Brian, I get it, But

720
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: what is with her? Why would she do this?

721
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: She?

722
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 6: I think she had a lot of expectations on her.

723
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 6: She had was a great high school student, and when

724
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 6: she got into got to college, it's like all the

725
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 6: structure was gone and she got herself into such a hole,

726
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 6: missing classes, terrible grades, academic probation, expelled from the university,

727
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 6: and the keeping up of the lies. The will it

728
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 6: takes to keep up lies for months, years, almost from

729
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 6: your parents, the effort she has to make every day

730
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 6: to lie, whether it's an active liear or a lie

731
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 6: of omission, And it was all in that phone call

732
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 6: that Brenda was making to those college administrators. It was

733
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 6: all about to come crashing down on her. And I

734
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 6: told that jury that it's inexplicable, it's illogical, but it's

735
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 6: not schizophrenia. It's not a psychotic break. She panicked, And

736
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 6: it was in that moment, that phone call, where it

737
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 6: was all was going to be revealed. She just couldn't

738
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: have that, so she panicked, She overreacted, and then she

739
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 6: tried to cover it up.

740
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: How well was she behind ours? Brian Stanin.

741
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 6: At least it's a life sentence in Ohio to murders

742
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 6: a life sentence. She'll be eligible for parole at the

743
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 6: earliest at fifteen years. The judge has some discretion to

744
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 6: sense her to even more time on some additional charges

745
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 6: like the tampering with evidence we added for staging the scene.

746
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 6: But it's a life sense a.

747
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Dave Whitten, you ever seen anything like it?

748
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 7: No, I think mister Sano did such a great job

749
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 7: and the closing arguments bringing the whole case in the perspective,

750
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 7: and this was an irrational act. It wasn't insane, it

751
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 7: was irrational, and you know, one of the things that

752
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 7: struck me is it's kind of a shame that, you know,

753
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 7: we talked so much about the family structure, and I

754
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 7: just can't keep thinking, why didn't you you had a

755
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 7: family structure in place that was there. Why didn't you

756
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 7: reach out for help? A lot of kids go through

757
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 7: this every year when they go to college, they find

758
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 7: out it's not for them, And I keep thinking, how

759
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 7: did we get here when you know you have a

760
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 7: why didn't you reach out to somebody, talk to your

761
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 7: parents or And that's one of the mysteries is you know,

762
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 7: we don't know what happens, what happened in the house,

763
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 7: or as far as the relationships, But the question is

764
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 7: why couldn't you reach out and solve this problem that

765
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 7: so many people in this country go through.

766
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: I can tell you, Dave Whitten, based on what you

767
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: said earlier about all the years this mom devoted herself

768
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: to children with cancer. I think this mom was nothing

769
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 1: but loving and caring.

770
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 7: Right.

771
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how long we can keep Sydney Powell

772
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: behind bars. Congratulations on the courtroom when I know that

773
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: you're mixed, Brian Stano, because you get the vertic you're seeking,

774
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: but that can never mend a broken heart. Same to you,

775
00:44:55,560 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Winning. Goodbye friend, Y