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Speaker 1: Welcome in What's Driving the Great Episode four twenty. This episode,

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Speaker 1: as of What's Driving the Great, as always, is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by our great friends at boost Mobile. Good morning,

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Speaker 1: great to see you, de Monsey. I have a little

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Speaker 1: life tip. We're gonna start the show very quickly with

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Speaker 1: a little something a little light, and then something not light,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into conference championship weekend. But

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Speaker 1: this is good advice for anyone out there in any

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Speaker 1: type of long term relationship or anyone that might one

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Speaker 1: day be in a long term relationship. So if there

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Speaker 1: is something your significant other has asked you to do

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Speaker 1: for a very long time and you haven't done it

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Speaker 1: and they have just kind of stopped even bothering you

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Speaker 1: about it, it's just, you know, like on a one

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Speaker 1: resentment category, so to speak. It's just there, the worst

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Speaker 1: possible So the absolute best way to fix it is

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Speaker 1: to just do what they asked. The next best thing

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Speaker 1: is to just keep ignoring it. The worst possible fix

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Speaker 1: is to fix it because someone else needs it fixed

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Speaker 1: and not because that your significant other ask you to.

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Speaker 1: So the reason I bring that up is the room

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Speaker 1: I do this show in. You guys can't really see

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Speaker 1: the floor behind me, but the floor behind me had

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Speaker 1: just been scattered with memorabilia and paraphernalia and old shoe

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Speaker 1: be a part of this set that I just haven't done.

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Speaker 1: And yesterday our friend Andrew Philipponi, great radio host and pitch,

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Speaker 1: was snowed into New York over the weekend where he

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Speaker 1: was spending his fortieth birthday with me and Danny Parkins

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Speaker 1: and kind of college reunion, and so he did his

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Speaker 1: radio show from right here. And before he did his

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Speaker 1: radio show, I cleaned everything up, and let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: whatever happiness I thought, Demansey your mom would have gotten

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Speaker 1: from hey, look the podcast room is finally clean, that

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Speaker 1: happiness flatly did not exist. In fact, it was quite

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Speaker 1: the opposite. My friend.

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Speaker 2: You might have you should have just lied and said

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Speaker 2: you cleaned it up the day before or something, not

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Speaker 2: even knowing that was gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you know, I had a lot of

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Speaker 1: ways that I could have approached it. This was the

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Speaker 1: see like, oh, let me move the boost mic. We

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Speaker 1: have like the cool shoes in the background there. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean the room does look better. We have a

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Speaker 1: a lebron James figuring I should have done this a

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Speaker 1: long time ago. I finally did it. All right, there's

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Speaker 1: the light note and then on the far heavier, more

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Speaker 1: consequential note, it would be uh foolish for me to

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Speaker 1: have done the show in the video I did a

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Speaker 1: few weeks ago after the previous extra judicial killing of

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Speaker 1: because I feel like there might be movement in real

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Speaker 1: maybe Thursday or Friday we will discuss where we're at

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Speaker 1: Quite the contrary. But I also didn't want to and

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Speaker 1: Now we can put, as I say, the clown noses

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Speaker 1: We will start with straight to voicemail, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by our friends at boost Mobile. Philip Rivers pulls out

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Speaker 1: of the Bills head coaching search. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: I'm not certain everyone else's read on it, but that's mine.

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Speaker 1: Alex Hanald Free Solo's type one oh one, I saw

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Speaker 1: way easier than al copy Tan, which he free soloed,

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Speaker 1: the first person ever do it in the documentary Free Solo.

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Speaker 1: That can be true. It can also be true, however

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Speaker 1: easy it is, it's wildly dangerous because it takes one

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Speaker 1: you know, he only got like half a million dollars

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Speaker 1: for that, Jake Paul got this much for the fight.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't he get more? My having done no research,

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Speaker 1: gut reaction on why Alex Hannold didn't get more money

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Speaker 1: don't have to pay him a lot. So, like all

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of my read on the situation. And

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Speaker 1: last but not least, people should watch Free Solo. The

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Speaker 1: Free Solo doc is spectacular. I thought the scaling type

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Speaker 1: A one oh one was not as engrossing. And last

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Speaker 1: but not least, Shurege Sanders's name pro Bowl alternate, which

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Speaker 1: brings me to demon's my simplest, most obvious can we

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Speaker 1: take that? I really just feel like can be fixed

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Speaker 1: in a month? Nobody cares who Pro Bowl alternates are.

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Speaker 1: It's fine and anyone getting acting all bent out of shape?

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Speaker 1: That with with Alan injured, Drake in the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: And he said yes, fine. Nobody actually cares about that.

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowlers? Who were the best quarterback that year?

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Speaker 1: So can we just pass can Football reference just on

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Speaker 1: their own say from now on and we're gonna retroactively

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Speaker 1: fix it as best as we can. The only players

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Speaker 1: who get actual Pro Bowl designations are guys named to

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Speaker 1: to the games or the event, but they don't get

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Speaker 1: the official statistical designation. That is how we do contract stuff,

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Speaker 1: these weird things where it's like Tyler Huntley, Mac Jones

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and it just makes no sense. Does that make

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Speaker 1: sense to everybody? Sound good? Sounds good to me? Reminder

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Speaker 1: out a toime on YouTube, on iTunes, on Spotify. All right,

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Speaker 1: demn y, let's get to the conference championship games.

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Speaker 2: All right? The Seahawks are headed to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: And that is not despite Donald. That's with Donald. He

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Speaker 2: continues to play the best football of his life. Who

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Speaker 2: could have saw this coming outside of maybe like Colin Coward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is from the This is not stunning.

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Speaker 1: Once the season started being played, and again I picked

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Speaker 1: or the Seahawks on their sketch page. I have it

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Speaker 1: On the final drive of the game for the Seahawks,

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Speaker 2: The twenty eight twenty eighteen draft class quarterbacks one of

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Speaker 2: the best we've seen in recent years with Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: Lamar and Baker Mayfield. Yet the first quarterback to start

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Speaker 2: a Super Bowl was Sam Darnold. Who would have saw that?

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Speaker 2: That kind of crazy?

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Speaker 1: Well, so here's the other piece of it. There have

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Speaker 1: been three draft classes with quarterbacks that had at least

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Speaker 1: three quarterbacks all get fifty or more wins. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: you follow what I'm saying there Where the the nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty four draft, which is pretty famously regarded as the

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Speaker 1: best QB class ever, which had am I gonna get?

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Speaker 1: Did I say? Eighty four? Eighty three? Yeah? So hold on,

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Speaker 1: eighty three is what I needed to do?

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 1: My apologies. So eighty three had Elway, had Marino, had

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Speaker 1: Todd Blackledge, who, of course the Chiefs took Jim Kelly,

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Speaker 1: Ken O'Brien some others, but Elway, Marino, Kelly, those three

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Speaker 1: guys all had fifty plus wins. Those three guys went

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Speaker 1: to a combined find ten super Bowls. The next draft

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Speaker 1: class that had three guys with fifty plus wins was four,

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Speaker 1: which had Eli, Rivers and Big Ben. Those three guys

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Speaker 1: went to five super Bowls. The only other draft class

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Speaker 1: with three guys to have fifty plus wins and those

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Speaker 1: and it actually has four guys with fifty plus wins?

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Speaker 1: Is this one we're talking about Josh, Lamar, Baker and

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Speaker 1: Donald and the only one to make a super Bowl

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Speaker 1: is Donald. It's pretty remarkable. And I I don't think this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think oddly. I don't think Arnald is the

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Speaker 1: quarterback who him making a super Bowl is toughest for

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Speaker 1: Alan and Lamar. I actually think it's Drake May just

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Speaker 1: even though again and we'll get to May. I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's played great in this playoff run, but just

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Speaker 1: because it's now another AFC quarterback other than Burrow who's

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Speaker 1: made it during the Mahomes era and it's neither one

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Speaker 1: of them. I don't really think people look at Donald

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Speaker 1: at the moment. At least we'll see how the next

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Speaker 1: you know, the super Bowl turns out and the next

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Speaker 1: few years of his career turnout. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: look at it as you know, Darnald is competing with

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Speaker 1: Alan and Lamar. He's not you know, that caliber at

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Speaker 1: the moment. It does, however, make you wonder would Alan

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Speaker 1: or Lamar have had wildly different if they were the

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Speaker 1: quarterback the Woebegone Awful Jets took that. I think Demanse

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Speaker 1: is a fair question to ask that could those guys

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Speaker 1: because Alan and Lamar are also keep in mind, we're

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Speaker 1: very raw prospects, right, and very unique prospects. It took

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Speaker 1: Alan a year and a half to be able to

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Speaker 1: complete sixty percent of his passes, and Lamar, even though

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Speaker 1: by his second year in the league he was the

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Speaker 1: unanimous MVP. It took a forward thinking franchise to be like,

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Speaker 1: we're not gonna square peg round hole this. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: do what this kid is amazing at and then reverse

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Speaker 1: engineer the rest of it. Could the Jets have screwed

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Speaker 1: them up, at least temporarily, because now it does look

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Speaker 1: like that every other team Darnold was on after the

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Speaker 1: Jets got more out of it and saw more in

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Speaker 1: him than the Jets did. So Carolina was an interesting

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Speaker 1: one because in Carolina he he lost the competition of

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Speaker 1: Baker or won it from Baker, and he lost the

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Speaker 1: competition of Baker. I think it went like this, and

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Speaker 1: then replaced Baker, and then in twenty twenty two there

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Speaker 1: were Darnald had a decent stretch at the end of

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Speaker 1: the season for them, but wasn't enough. They move on.

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Speaker 1: That's when they did. Is that when they did the

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young trade? Bryce? Yeah, they end up trading for

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young. Donald goes and he's a backup for the Niners.

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Speaker 1: The Niners, however, claimed to love him, obviously, the Vikings

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Speaker 1: and you know, got a lot out of him. The

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Speaker 1: Seahawks are in the Super Bowl. I so I don't

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Speaker 1: think darn Old making a Super Bowl before Josh Lamar

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Speaker 1: and Baker is some big indictment on those three players.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's a huge indictment on the Jets,

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Speaker 1: and like that's that. That's more or less my.

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Speaker 2: Take with the sot to be said with like the

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Speaker 2: amount of money that Darnold makes compared to Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: and Lamar Jackson, and like maybe the team around him.

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Speaker 2: I think, oh, yes, so like that in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 2: he's not getting paid crap right now.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, so there is it is. It becomes the

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Speaker 1: easiest way to make a Super Bowl. And history shows

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Speaker 1: us this repeatedly is have a quarterback become a franchise

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Speaker 1: quarterback while on his rookie scale. That's the easiest way.

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Speaker 1: The next easiest might be. But and we can say this,

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Speaker 1: but we don't have a ton of examples of it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: what the Seahawks are trying to pull off, which is

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Speaker 1: have a legit franchise level quarterback who's not on his

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Speaker 1: rookie scale but nobody thought was a legit franchise level

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Speaker 1: quarterback and because of that, he's not getting paid like

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Speaker 1: that like what I thought the Bucks were gonna do

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Speaker 1: with Baker this year, and now Donald does become the

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Speaker 1: gold standard for quarterback reclamation of the era that had

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Speaker 1: been Baker, it's now Donald And.

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Speaker 3: You think, yeah, yeah, I mean he did a little bit,

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Speaker 3: like it was remarkable that Baker had become legitimate top

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Speaker 3: tennish you know, a momentary MVP candidate had the awesome

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Speaker 3: year last year.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's questioning is he gonna get benched? But he hasn't

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Speaker 1: done anything like what Darnald just did. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Donald becomes the uh. I think the you know,

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Speaker 1: the path that Daniel Jones is trying to walk is

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Speaker 1: now no longer like he's trying to be the next

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. He's trying to be the next Sam Darnold. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and listen, maybe he would have been if he didn't

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Speaker 1: you know, you guys know my skepticism there, but maybe

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Speaker 1: he would have been if he didn't end up getting hurt.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk Rams before we get to the

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Speaker 1: AFC game.

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Speaker 2: Did the Rams let Stafford? Now?

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Speaker 1: So I don't think that I don't think the Rams

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Speaker 1: let Stafford down. I do think that Stafford did everything

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Speaker 1: he could have done. But I think that these games

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Speaker 1: are and this is what is so great about professional football, man,

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Speaker 1: Every little moment matters so much. And the Rams had

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Speaker 1: and I people have been you know, listening to me

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Speaker 1: about this team and these games for the last few

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Speaker 1: weeks and yesterday on TV are probably sick of me

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Speaker 1: talking about this, But the Rams had two special teams

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Speaker 1: gaffes that flipped their season, and special teams have be

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Speaker 1: deviled this team repeatedly over the years. And the Rams

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Speaker 1: are beating the Seahawks thirty to fourteen with eight minutes

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Speaker 1: left in the fourth quarter, when the Rams are playing

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Speaker 1: for the one seed, trying to get the tiebreaker with

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Speaker 1: Seattle to get to twelve and four, and the Rams

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Speaker 1: punt the ball, they don't cover it well. Rashid Shihed

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Speaker 1: returns it for a touchdown. They get the two point conversion,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden instead of thirty to fourteen,

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Speaker 1: with Sam Darnald, who had just thrown an interception on

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Speaker 1: his previous pass, taking the field with eight minutes left.

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Speaker 1: The next time Donald touches the ball, it is he's

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Speaker 1: damn near in the red zone with six minutes left,

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Speaker 1: down eight, and they end up, you guys, obviously he

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Speaker 1: makes a play. They get the weird two point conversion attempt.

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Speaker 1: They're then awesome in overtime, and that's but that play

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Speaker 1: is why this game was in Seattle and not in

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles. And then in this game, the Rams get

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Speaker 1: a stop on the opening drive of the half, are

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Speaker 1: gonna get the ball back down seventeen thirteen, and the

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Speaker 1: punt returner stumbles and muffs it, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: Seattle's up eleven and the Rams are playing on their

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Speaker 1: back foot the rest of the way. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: call that them letting Stafford down. Was Stafford good enough

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Speaker 1: for them to win the Super Bowl this year? Obviously?

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Speaker 1: Did Stafford have the best season of anyone in the

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Speaker 1: NFL this year? I think so. Was he brilliant in

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Speaker 1: his final two games against Seattle, both of which were lost,

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Speaker 1: where he threw four a combined eight hundred and thirty yard,

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Speaker 1: six touchdowns and no turnovers with a rating of one twenty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's a fifty three man team for a reason,

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Speaker 1: and those little miscues cost them. And so the trade

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Speaker 1: for Stafford has been an unquestionable success. And you can't

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Speaker 1: say that they have underachieved because they won a super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: They made the playoffs three of the other four years

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Speaker 1: they made. You know, they went out and round in

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Speaker 1: the five years with Stafford they won, they they've done

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Speaker 1: everything but lose a Super Bowl. They have missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: They have lost in Round one in a heartbreaker, I think,

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Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty three to Detroit. They have lost

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Speaker 1: in Round two to Philly in a heartbreaker twenty eight

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Speaker 1: to twenty two, ball inside the red zone and Stafford

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Speaker 1: gets sacked. They have lost in the conference championship game

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Speaker 1: in a heartbreaker thirty one to twenty seven to Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and they have won the Super Bowl in a heartbreaker

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Speaker 1: for the other team. And mcvay's an awesome coach. No

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Speaker 1: coaches are perfect. I did not think he should have

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Speaker 1: gone for two when they scored the touchdown to make

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Speaker 1: it thirty one to twenty the scored touchdown make it

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Speaker 1: thirty one to twenty six with three minutes left in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter. I didn't think they should go for

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Speaker 1: two because there's been so much scoring. I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: it's too early. As it turns out, there would be

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Speaker 1: no more scoring after that. And had they gone for two,

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Speaker 1: than maybe at the end. You know, when they had

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Speaker 1: that fourth and four with five minutes left, they kick

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Speaker 1: a field goal. But I didn't think that was like

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Speaker 1: a mistake by McVeigh. But they the margins are really

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Speaker 1: really slim, and it is it's really hard to win one,

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Speaker 1: let alone win multiple. I thought this Rams team was

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Speaker 2: If Stafford returns, is this the number one super Bowl

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Speaker 2: Al Right, so the Patriots escaped the blizzard and Denver

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Speaker 2: they have the coach and the quarterback house nervous of

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Speaker 1: Forward, Listen, there are four major factors that have led

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Speaker 1: to the Patriots being in the Super Bowl. Factor one

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Speaker 1: Factor two is, throughout the regular season they got MVP

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Speaker 1: level play from their quarterback and he is undoubtedly their

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback for the next decade. Factor three is a

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00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: very stout, well coached, buttoned up defense, and Factor four

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00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: was little schedule luck, a little circumstance luck on their

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Speaker 1: path to the playoffs. Those first three factors, the coach,

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, the defense are here to stay. So when

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Speaker 1: you are discussing Tier one AFC contenders moving forward with

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Bills, and the Ravens, the Patriots must

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Speaker 1: be included. That's just what it is. There is nothing

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Speaker 1: about this that feels fluoky and last, like, for example,

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Speaker 1: Demons last year. The Commanders got to the conference championship game,

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00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: right yep, but the defense was not good at all

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Speaker 1: all year and the coach, Dan Quinn. You have some

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Speaker 1: little questions about so even if Jaden had stayed fully healthy,

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Speaker 1: that felt a little flimsier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, The Broncos got to the conference championship game this year.

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Speaker 1: The coach was is obviously excellent, and the defense was great.

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Speaker 1: And listen, the biggest Bonnicks supporters will say that conference

734
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Speaker 1: championship game was confirmation on how much Bonix mattered to

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Speaker 1: Our team scored seven points without him, offense couldn't move

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Speaker 1: the ball. That is, if I were a Boonicks guy,

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Speaker 1: I would be making that same argument. So I understand that,

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't he is not the sure thing that

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00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: uh Drake Maye the Bears who got to round two.

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Speaker 1: You feel great about the coach, you feel really really

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Speaker 1: good about the quarterback, but the defense, you don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's going to be their year to year and

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00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a defensive minded head coach. The Patriots

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00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 1: have checked the box of the three most important things

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Speaker 1: to long term contention.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, like it seems like their ownership is great.

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Speaker 1: Huh oh, it's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 2: On top of all of that, I feel like that

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Speaker 2: was one of the things you were saying, like, you

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Speaker 2: don't want to have a medaling, GM or owner or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and it seems like he makes the right moves.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, there have been sixty Super Bowls and

753
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Robert Kraft has owned a team and twelve of them.

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00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 1: That's twenty percent of the Super Bowls. Now, there's a

755
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: lot of factors that go into that, but you can't

756
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Speaker 1: say it's to anything other than it's been excellent ownership.

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Speaker 1: And I don't listen, I'm not a not the biggest

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft guy at all times, but you give credit

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Speaker 1: as far as how he's handled running the team and

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Speaker 1: so I so I give the Patriots a ton of credit, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And I think I would be surprised if I end

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Speaker 1: up picking them to win the Super Bowl. And I

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Speaker 1: know that I picked them to lose the AFC Title

764
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Speaker 1: Game because I thought that that the crowd and the

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Speaker 1: circumstances could get to May and I think I was

766
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Speaker 1: a little vindicated on that. But it wouldn't be stunning

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00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: if they won the super Bowl. And they have had

768
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: a spectacular year. You can say all of that and

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Speaker 1: acknowledge that while they have gone up against outstanding defenses

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: this postseason, their quarterback has struggled because Flatley he has,

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Speaker 1: and that's fine. Nobody cares about style points in the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: all right, And the Wild said it, and I don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily think he's crazy for saying it. He kind of

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Speaker 1: feels like Drake May is doe for an awesome game

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00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: and that's because he hasn't played one yet this postseason.

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Speaker 1: The best game he played this postseason, he fumbled the

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00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: ball four times, lost to them, and threw a pick.

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Speaker 1: That was his best game. And people are going to

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Speaker 1: try to revisionist history the AFC Championship game and say, oh,

780
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: that whole thing was just a blizzard. That was perfect

781
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: conditions with ten minutes left in the third quarter and

782
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots had forty yards. That offense was really really struggling.

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00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,399
Speaker 1: But where May deserves credit is didn't turn the ball

784
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: over and two great plays with his legs. The quarterback

785
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: draws score their only touchdown after the Stidham fumble, And

786
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 1: now we are getting the real story on the third

787
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: down quarterback keeper, which it was not that Drake May

788
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: called his own number. Josh McDaniels told Drake May, I

789
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Speaker 1: want you to keep it, and they didn't tell anybody else,

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00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: which is interesting that McDaniels told Drake, don't tell anybody

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Speaker 1: else because they wanted the other guys to sell the

792
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: fake even better. Yeah, and be more natural. But right

793
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Speaker 1: after the game, the story was that Drake May went rogue.

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Speaker 1: And even when I read that, I'm like, that would

795
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Speaker 1: be pretty wilde like especially and now credit damn great athlete,

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Speaker 1: but he almost like it took me a really great

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Speaker 1: play by him not to get run down, and so

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Speaker 1: it would have just been stunning if he had just

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Speaker 1: been like nabro you called a handoff. But I'm keeping

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Speaker 1: it now, So it made more sense what the real

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Speaker 1: story was and why you understand why his teammates thought

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Speaker 1: that's what he did, because he told them one play

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Speaker 1: and it was another, but it was another because Josh McDaniels,

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00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: who's excellent, told him to keep it, but we don't.

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00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 1: So here is here is the the Patriots defense has

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00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: been unreal, unreal in this postseason. And they didn't just

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Speaker 1: play Stidham. They played CJ who I know had added

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00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: up and down year, but they forced him in the

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Speaker 1: worst game of his career. They played Herbert, who people love,

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Speaker 1: and they made Herbert look even worse than the playoff

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00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: game when he threw four interceptions. So the Patriots defense

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00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: has been exceptional. What I pushed back against is folks

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00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: making the argument of man, look at these awesome defenses

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Speaker 1: the Patriots have over have beaten, which they have. The

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Speaker 1: Charge defense was really good, Texans defense great, Broncos defense great.

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Speaker 1: But they have beaten those defenses despite their offensive performance. Right,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they've they've gone against those defenses and

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00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: them up. Their offense has looked like they're going up

819
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Speaker 1: against great defenses, but their defense has looked like we're

820
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 1: actually the best defense in football. So it's not stealing

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Speaker 1: credit from anyone to just do an accurate telling of

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Speaker 1: how they got here, and that to me is how

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Speaker 1: they got here. And so they're going to need Drake

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Speaker 1: May to play exponentially better in the super Bowl than

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Speaker 1: he has played up to this point in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But we know he can do it. He has been.

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Speaker 1: He was excellent throughout the entirety of the year.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, But what you think with all those like

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Speaker 2: with their last play schedule or whatever it was, they

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Speaker 2: haven't really ran into this situation and Drake May is

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Speaker 2: he's played bad since he's seen the good defenses. What's

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Speaker 2: gonna happen when he sees a good defense and a

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Speaker 2: good offense. Well, so listen, and I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: pile on Drake May. I just think given the year,

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Speaker 2: the year, and in this situation, it's not looking great

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that they're gonna be up against it.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I think works in

839
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Speaker 1: the Patriots favor is had the Rams won. McVeigh and

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Speaker 1: Stafford have been through Super Bowls together. Mcvay's been to

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Speaker 1: two one with Stafford. They know kind of the rhythm

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Speaker 1: of the week, all of that. And while Rabel had

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Speaker 1: been to a bunch as a player, he'd never been

844
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Speaker 1: there as a coach. But they didn't run into McVeigh

845
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Speaker 1: and Stafford. They ran into Mike McDonald, who's never coached

846
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Speaker 1: in a Super Bowl. Sam Donald has never played in

847
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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl. And so, oh, you know what is interesting?

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Speaker 1: I guess I will say this, No, I Donald was

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Speaker 1: Do I have this right? Don't I? Donald wash with

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Speaker 1: San Francis. Yeah, he did go through Super Bowl week

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Speaker 1: with San Francisco, which, again I don't think is nothing.

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Speaker 1: I do think there is something to having experienced the

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Speaker 1: rhythm of the week and the rhythm of the halftime

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Speaker 1: and all of that. So I think that is in

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Speaker 1: a tiny way relevant. But I just don't think Vrabel's

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Speaker 1: gonna have be it a preparation deficit against McDonald. And

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Speaker 1: McDonald's a great coach, but because McDonald hasn't been there yet.

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Speaker 1: And so here's the thing on the Patriots schedule and

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Speaker 1: Pats fans. You can love this or you can hate this,

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Speaker 1: but this is just the in my opinion, the reality

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Speaker 1: of it. If you win the Super Bowl, literally no

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Speaker 1: one will remember or care that in the regular season

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Speaker 1: you had a soft schedule. The ninety nine Rams had

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Speaker 1: a soft skeed in the regular season, nobody cared. The

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen Chiefs en route to the Super Bowl, beat

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Speaker 1: the Texans and the Titans. Nobody cared right like the now,

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Speaker 1: my pal Bill Simmons keeps bringing up to that team,

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Speaker 1: and then in the Super Bowl played Jimmy Garoppolo. In

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, they played the Niners, who were considered

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Speaker 1: the best team in the league that year, and that

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Speaker 1: was back when people thought Jimmy g was good. But regardless,

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Speaker 1: if you win it, nobody cares. If you lose a

873
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: close great game. People will just be like, amazing year,

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Speaker 1: Seattle was the best team. You know, no shame, obviously,

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Speaker 1: no shame you got to the super Bowl, but great year.

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Speaker 1: Look out for the Patriots next season. However, under this

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Speaker 1: scenario of you lose badly, then people will start yeah

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Speaker 1: butting your season, just like had nobody cares that you

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Speaker 1: want an ugly game against the Broncos to get to

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Speaker 1: the super Bowl, but had you lost it, people would

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 1: have been like, man soft schedule plus CJ. Stroud turning

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Speaker 1: the ball over.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's what would have happened. If you get trounced, then

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Speaker 1: of all, I don't think a trouncing is likely, and

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Speaker 1: second of all, who really cares. Nobody will ever mention

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Speaker 1: or bring up in any real capacity an easy path

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl if you win it, and you

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Speaker 1: can win it. All right, let's we're gonna talk about

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Speaker 2: The Patriots did win this game, but they got a

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Speaker 2: lot of help from the Broncos with going forward on fourth,

906
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 2: the turnovers by Stidham, and also a Bonix not being

907
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Speaker 2: in the game. How sick should Denver fans be right now?

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 2: I mean they were there even without them.

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Speaker 1: I'd have a real hard time getting over this if

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Speaker 1: I were a Broncos fan. Yea, because if you're a

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Speaker 1: Broncos fan, you believe in bon Knicks. And again, I

912
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Speaker 1: have to be fair because I have not believed in

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Speaker 1: bon Nicks. The last game we saw bon Nicks play,

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Speaker 1: he outplayed Josh Allen soundly to get to the conference

915
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Speaker 1: championship game. They were fourteen and three, and while he

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01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 1: was decidedly mediocre for giant stretches of the season, he

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Speaker 1: was clutch. And I know everything about that game would

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Speaker 1: have been different if the quarter if bo Nicks is there,

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01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: not Stidham, but man, it sure felt like if they

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Speaker 1: had just a average starting NFL quarterback, they would have

921
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: won that game. So that would make me sick that

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Speaker 1: did we leave not just Super Bowl appearance, but maybe

923
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: a championship on the table because our guy broke his

924
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: ankle on a fluke play. And that is like when

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Speaker 1: I said, as as sick as I was for Patrick

926
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Speaker 1: and four the Chiefs and everything when Patrick got hurt,

927
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Speaker 1: the real sickness about it was I just felt bad

928
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Speaker 1: for Patrick personally that his offseason was stolen from him

929
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: and that he was gonna have to go through this

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Speaker 1: brutal rehab. But I didn't feel that sick for the

931
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Speaker 1: Chiefs or as a Chiefs fan, because it was pretty

932
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Speaker 1: clear this Chiefs team didn't have it. By that point

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Speaker 1: Patrick went down, they were six and seven and losing

934
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Speaker 1: a game that they had to win. After lose, they

935
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Speaker 1: were already on a two game losing streak, and you

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Speaker 1: know had looked more than shaky that what would the

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Speaker 1: devastating injuries are the ones where it feels like, did

938
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Speaker 1: that maybe cost us a check championship? And that's how

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Speaker 1: Broncos fans are gonna feel. And I do feel for

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Speaker 1: him on that man, I swear I do. And what

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Speaker 1: makes this game even kind of a twist of the

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Speaker 1: knife is even without Nicks, sure feels like you could

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01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: have won this one. The it is It is Sean

944
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: Payton's job to know the weather forecast better than I do,

945
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: better than you do, and better even than Nanson Romo do,

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Speaker 1: and to not factor in to your fourth down decision

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Speaker 1: that there is a chance that in an hour a

948
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Speaker 1: blizzard is coming. Is a disaster that would have been

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Speaker 1: that was eat by the way, even if they thought

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Speaker 1: it was going to be perfect weather, that was a

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01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 1: shaky decision because you have an opportunity to put all

952
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: the pressure on the Pats, who at that point Demons

953
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: had gained twelve yards on twelve plays. Pardon me. And

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: even if you pick up the first down, it's not

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01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: fourth and goal from the one, it's fourth and one

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01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: from the thirteen. Even if you pick it up, you

957
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 1: still then need to for Stidham to execute a touchdown drive.

958
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 1: And there's like the Patriots later in the game went

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01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: for that fourth down that I don't know if they

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01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: got or not on the quarterback sneak instead of taking

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Speaker 1: a field goal and ended up kicking a field goal anyway.

962
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: But the difference between it's fourth and inches and we're

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01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,960
Speaker 1: sneaking it and it's fourth and a full one and

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Speaker 1: we're calling a quarterback rollout. That's crazy. And then when

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Speaker 1: you factor in that there was a chance that a

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Speaker 1: blizzard was coming, makes it, in my opinion, all the crazier.

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01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: And I know some people would argue if you knew

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Speaker 1: the blizzard was coming, then the opportunity to go fourteen

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Speaker 1: is even more valuable, but I don't know about that. Now.

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Speaker 1: The other piece of it is this, Stidham's fumble was

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Speaker 1: an abomination. You don't want to kill the guy because

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Speaker 1: he's a backup, but there are and here's why, Demanse,

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Speaker 1: do you want to say something here?

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Speaker 2: No, No, it did look it was Yeah, it wasn't great.

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Speaker 1: It looked on the athletic, but the context of it

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01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: is what matters. Okay, let's say it's third and four

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Speaker 1: from the opponent's thirty. So you're staring at a forty

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01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 1: seven yard field goal and you take the snap, you

979
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: drop back and oh my god, I'm about to get

980
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: sacked and take an eight yard loss. So you retreat

981
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 1: to try to buy yourself time to then try to

982
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: get off a pass just so you stay in field

983
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:30,520
Speaker 1: goal range right, and it turns into disaster. Not good,

984
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: But you understand the reason I'm taking the risk here

985
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: instead of just taking the sack. Is a sack costs

986
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: us points, takes us out a field goal range. Obviously

987
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: on fourth downs, who cares what. You just gotta get

988
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: the ball out of your hands, got to do something.

989
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: This was the opposite of that when Nicks first saw

990
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: the play was dead. The upside of I'm sorry is Sidham.

991
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 1: The upside of an incomplete pass versus a sack is tiny.

992
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 1: You're inside your own twenty. You're punting no matter what,

993
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,160
Speaker 1: even if you even if you get the the incomplete

994
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: pass off, it doesn't matter. You're punting, and so taking

995
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:21,240
Speaker 1: a sack is just you're gonna punt from eight yards

996
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 1: further back. That was just a huge, huge mistake and

997
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: then a little bit of bad luck, like the field

998
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: goal goes in. If it's not blocked, it's probably not blocked.

999
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: Uh if they line up eight yards deep instead of

1000
01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: seven yards deep and they screwed that up. And so

1001
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 1: all those things came together. And then the last drive

1002
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: of the game, they have more than two minutes left,

1003
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: they're down three, and they're with the wind and Stidham

1004
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 1: throws up a prayer. So that's just brutal. All right.

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Speaker 1: I was about to wrapped the show, but it looks

1006
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: like demons, we have breaking, breaking news here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, sources Adam Schefter, the Bills are working to

1008
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: finalize a deal to make offensive coordinator Joe Brady their

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 2: new head coach.

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Speaker 1: I don't love that. If the argument of this is

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01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: just my gut reaction, If the argument of firing McDermott

1012
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: was we essentially needed a team exorcism, that the team

1013
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 1: was too broken by too many just devastating postseason losses,

1014
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 1: then I do not know that bringing in a guy

1015
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 1: who's been there for the last four years is a fix. Now.

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: I guess the bright side is he was not there

1017
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: for the thirteen seconds game, which seems to still have

1018
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: a long tail for that organization. But he was there

1019
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: for all the other devastating postseason losses. He was the

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01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator the last two and a half years, and

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01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: that is that doesn't to me, it's that's a little uninspiring.

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: I would say, Now he's the offensive coordinator for Josh's

1023
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: MVP year. I get that. I wonder what it means

1024
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: for Brian Dabel. It would be I guess a little

1025
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: awkward for Dabel if when was hold on, let me

1026
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: make sure I it was right. Dabele left the Bill

1027
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,200
Speaker 1: So Dabel and Joe Brady never crossed. When Dabel left

1028
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: the Bills is when the same offseason, Joe Brady came

1029
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: to the Bills as the quarterback coach. But the way

1030
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:19,679
Speaker 1: he got to the quarterback coach was they fired Ken

1031
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: Dorsey after a five and five start. They put in

1032
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: Brady and they became a more well balanced team running

1033
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: the football. But it sure seemed like the reason they

1034
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: were moving on from uh McDermott McDermott was because of

1035
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: the emotional carnage of the last years. Promoting a guy

1036
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 1: within the building is uh. I don't know how that

1037
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: fixes it.

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: How much more stuff is available or coaches should?

1039
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: I say, well, I'll tell you this much. I do

1040
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 1: wonder did Clint Kubiak. Did the Seahawks making the Super

1041
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 1: Bowl cost Clint Kubiak the Bill's head coaching job because

1042
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: they didn't want to wait, you know, another few weeks,

1043
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: And so I don't know. This is ah this is

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Speaker 1: that's a we'll obviously have more on this. I'm home

1045
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: with Colin and not in a little over an hour. Uh,

1046
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Speaker 1: But that is a I would say, uninspiring higher and

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01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: an interesting one. All right. Thank you to Blue Duck

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Speaker 1: And for everybody out there, keep fighting the good fight,

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Speaker 1: and no matter how helpless and awful things not just seem,

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Speaker 1: but sometimes just actually are. We might be finding out

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Speaker 1: this week and in days the coming days that if

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Speaker 1: the if the public can unite as much as we

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01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: are able to unite these days on anything about something

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Speaker 1: objectively being wrong, heinous and immoral, that even the most

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Speaker 1: seemingly unmovable participants might be moved a bit. Talk to

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Speaker 1: you guys soon. We'll trip