WEBVTT - Butch Harmon 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:06.000 Witness insurmountable deficits turn into unforgettable victories at the Travelers Championship, 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:10.680 the northeast one and only PGA Tour signature event. See 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:15.400 Scotty Scheffler, Worry McElroy, Victor Howlin, Patrick Cantley, and returning 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.840 champion Keegan Bradley, as well as other PGA Tour stars 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.759 in all four days of the competition at close by 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:26.200 TPC River Highlands. The Excitement tees off June nineteenth through 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:30.360 the twenty third. For tickets and information, visit Travelers Championship 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:40.880 dot com. The Travelers Championship there is only one. It's 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:43.320 the Son of a Butcher Podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon. 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:50.479 This week it is a PGA Championship preview, the second 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:55.120 major of twenty twenty four Valhalla, and I figured hadn't 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.800 had him on a while to get my dad, butch 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.480 Armon On talk about obviously the favorite coming in this week, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:03.760 Scottie Scheffler. But he's been doing a little work with 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:06.759 Rory McRoy, get his takes on that and just anytime 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:09.400 I think we can get Butcher's takes on you know, 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.840 players and the state of the game, he'll be eighty 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:18.720 one in August, and I think he always has amazing thoughts, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:22.479 insights and listen. What a career, right, I mean, I 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.920 think he'll be eighty one in August. And you know 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.119 Rory McRoy picks up the phone and says, listen, man, 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.399 can you give me an opinion about what I'm doing? 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.840 So you know there are a lot of players that 0:01:32.920 --> 0:01:33.760 do that and. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.600 Listen. He's worked with the majority of. 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:43.039 The best players the last thirty years, so always good 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:45.600 to have Butchy on. He's always a fan favorite and 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:49.520 he does not disappoint. So sitpack and enjoyed listening to 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:58.160 There's no one else like him butch Harmon. Well, with 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.600 the second major of the year coming up, figured we'd 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.800 get somebody that always has great takes on it Dad 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.080 second major of the year. 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:06.040 The PGA. 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:09.080 Before we get to that, because there's a lot of 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.280 storylines around that. This run that Scotty Scheffler was on. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:15.480 I remember I had you on the podcast right after 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.840 he won his first Masters. He is now a two 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.560 time Master's champion, four wins this year, including another major. 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.160 You've seen a lot of good golf. I know you 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.320 were on the call for Sky Sports at Augusta. You 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:31.240 got to watch it. It's beyond impressive. And I think 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.080 Shane Lowry said to me Sunday morning, the most impressive 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:39.280 thing about Scotty is how easy and unimpressive he makes 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:41.960 winning look. Meaning when Rory, when some of the bigger 0:02:42.040 --> 0:02:45.320 names win, they dominate, it looks like they're doing something special. 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.079 Scotty Scheffler just plays amazing golf and makes it look easy. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.480 Well, I think he just he knows how to get 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.680 around a golf course. He does everything very well. You 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.120 wouldn't say there's one thing greater than the other. And 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.880 he's arsenal. It's just every part of it. He's driving 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.240 his iron, players just control. He's improved his putting so much. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:10.360 Everything he does is good and he's on an unbelievable role. 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:13.720 He's putting better than he has in a while. I 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.959 think going to that malahead putter, I think Rory was 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:18.480 the one suggested the two. It was a good idea. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.000 You know, right now, he's definitely the best player in 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:22.240 the world. There's no doubt about that. 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:25.600 When you look at his stats, Dad, right now, I 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:29.160 mean it's very much like you know, he gets compared 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:33.200 a lot to Tiger, but his game is completely different. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.360 But if you look at the stats right now, first 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.080 in strokes gain total, second stroke paint off the tee, 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.280 first in approach, ninety fifth in putting, first in greens 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.640 and regulation, first in proximity. I mean, if he was 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:46.960 top twenty in putting, he'd win every week. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.280 Well, that's a big if, if be honest with you know, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.680 we were doing the broadcast of the Masters for Sky 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.040 and Nick Dordio, presenter and I were talking about this 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:59.480 and he actually made the statement that you know, Scotty 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.400 Scheffler is almost Tiger S And I said, yeah, if 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:04.840 he can do it for the next twenty years in 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.280 a row, that Tiger s. So that's that's the big 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.840 if into this. There's no doubt about a caud there 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.720 right now. He's playing better than anybody and more consistent 0:04:12.760 --> 0:04:15.240 than anybody. Look at his distance control of his irons. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:18.760 He's always pinned high. And that's the one stat that 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:21.120 I look at it all the time with my players. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.560 It's the only one really that makes any sense to me. 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.600 Is distance control. If your balls are finishing pin high, 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:31.040 are in that relative area every time, you have completely 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.960 control of your ball through the air and on the ground, 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:36.040 and he's had it now, he's been off for a 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.400 few weeks because his wife obviously hasn't had the child 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.880 yet and they're expecting. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.040 Well, I think they just had it. I think they 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:44.560 just had it. 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:46.280 Did they just have it this week? Why? I haven't. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.960 So he will, but by all accounts, he's going to 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.279 go to the PGA. 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:51.560 Dad. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:54.279 When when when you have a baby you played professional golf. 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.320 I mean, my sister and I were born when you know, 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.039 we were young, when you were out on tour. For 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.440 a guy like Scottie sha Effler, does does having a 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:06.120 baby change the way he plays? Or is he just 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.279 that He seems to me to be the type of 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:10.880 player and the type of person that won't be affected 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:11.640 by it at all. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:16.000 Well, the beauty is college of scott He's a wonderful 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:18.600 human being. I mean, he's a great husband, he's going 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:21.480 to be a great dad. Everything about him his first class. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.360 You know, he's very religious. He lives his religion, which 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.280 I admire for him. It's not my cup of team, 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.440 but I admire him for being that way. Do I 0:05:29.440 --> 0:05:31.880 think it will change the way he plays golf? Yeah, 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:33.440 maybe a little bit. It will give him a little 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.360 more to play for it, because now he's a dad 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.160 and he has another person to worry about. But I 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.200 don't think it's going to change his attitude and how 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.880 he goes about it. I think he goes about it perfectly. 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.000 You know. He and Randy Smith always come up with 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:47.840 a great game plan on how to play. Valhalla is 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.920 a place that I understand they changed the golf course. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.600 I mean I've been there for the PGA, I've been 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.200 there for the Ryder Cup, so I don't know what 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:56.800 the change in the golf course is. But Scotty Sheffer 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:58.200 be ready, There's no doubt about that. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:02.080 And so we saw on Sunday, I mean we saw 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.120 that part in the round. I think the great ones. Dad, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.159 wouldn't you agree that they all seem to do this 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.719 when they are on these major runs, that they can 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:13.279 put the gas on when they need to. On the 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.280 front nine, it kind of got close, and then all 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:16.039 of a sudden, he bird. 0:06:16.080 --> 0:06:17.080 He's eight nine and ten. 0:06:17.640 --> 0:06:20.400 And I remember saying to somebody the tournament's over, and 0:06:20.440 --> 0:06:21.960 they're looking at me and they're like, what do you mean. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:23.440 I said, Well, the. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:27.000 Way he is playing and the game that he does play. 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:31.040 He doesn't really beat himself, does he. He has that 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.719 kind of knack of not really beating himself, not really 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:35.960 making big mistakes. 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.480 Well, in my opinion, that's one of his biggest strengths 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:41.680 is he has the total confidence in his own ability, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.600 but he doesn't make mental mistakes. That was the thing 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.200 that said Jack Nichols Apart, that's the thing he said 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.280 Tiger Woods apart from all the other great players, those 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.440 two had that ability. Yes, they were great players, they 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:56.080 could handle the pressure, but they just didn't make the 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.719 mental mistakes. And Scotty doesn't seem to make any of those. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:01.080 And like you say, when get close, he puts the 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.000 hammer down a little bit, he knocks its stick in 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.080 a couple holes, and all of a sudden, there he 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.600 is with a big lead. I mean, I can't imagine 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.680 any of this is going to change unless someone just 0:07:10.200 --> 0:07:12.280 a guy like Rory who is really starting to play 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:15.040 well himself, if he doesn't make any push on him, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:16.200 who knows what's going to happen. 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.120 The footwork Dad, that everybody talks about. I think everybody 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:23.520 looks at his footwork and thinks it's, you know, kind 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:25.360 of all over the place and thinks, why can't I 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:29.680 do that? But the way his feet work is very functional, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.280 and it's very much the opposite of the way the 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:37.160 average golfer, you know, the club golfer, their weight tends 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.920 to go up to their toes. They get closer to 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.960 the golf ball with that lower body than the upper 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.760 body in the head have to back out, very similar 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.920 to one of your former students, Greg Norman, and the 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:50.720 way that his footwork works, that trail foot, his right 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.000 foot goes back and his feet actually do a little 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.200 bit of what the long drive guys do to where 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:59.640 their feet are actually going back not forward. And I 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.240 think it just goes to show you. I think Randy 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.280 Smith is someone his coach, you've known pretty much most 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.320 of your adult life. I know you have a lot 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:11.800 of respect for him. I've heard Randy say before that 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.680 he feels like in modern coaching sometimes that we take 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.040 out what kids do with their feet. When you look 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:23.640 at Scotty's footwork, I mean that is part of his DNA, right, 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.200 I mean, that is his kind of signature in what 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:29.080 he does. There are a lot of people that would 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.000 have taken that away, that would have tried to make 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:34.840 that better, but it's one hundred percent functional for him. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:36.520 Well, first of all, I have all the respect in 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.800 the row for Randy Smith. He's been Scotty's coach ever 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.320 since he was a young man. And what they've done 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.240 is the things that you and I have been talked about. 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.160 You never take away what a guy does naturally, you 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:47.800 just make it better. Going back to the footwork, if 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.200 you look at impact, impact position, which is the most 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:53.520 important thing in the game of golf, is how you 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.600 put the cab on the ball and impact. His footwork 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.800 is fine. All the other motion is because of the 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.040 speed and the rotation and of the torso and the 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.440 body and all the speed that he generates. But if 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:05.800 you look at impact, the feeder on the ground, the 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.360 weight is in the right place. Everything is right, and 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:11.839 then all of a sudden it goes. The only thing 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:13.719 that scares me about it is I keep thinking he's 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.839 going to snap that left tangle one day, the way 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.320 he gets over on top of it, and I don't 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.960 think he can pull a Tony Fena how like he 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:22.480 did it the part three of the Guessta where he 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:23.640 snaps it back of place. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:27.560 We've got three majors left. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.960 I mean Obviously, when you win the first one, there's 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.760 always talk about, you know, could someone win the Grand Slam. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.040 But the way he plays golf, the way that I 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.400 mean obviously, to do that, to win all four majors 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:42.719 in one year, I mean, is it is next to impossible. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:46.000 The stars have to align. But the game that he plays, 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.320 and I think the way he handles adversity, the way 0:09:49.360 --> 0:09:51.679 he doesn't kind of get too high and too low. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.880 You can make an argument that in the game right now, 0:09:56.679 --> 0:09:59.040 if someone's going to win all four, I mean, he's 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:00.160 probably the favorite. 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:02.600 He's the only one that can. He won the first one, 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.880 definitely gonna be the favorite. I think it's a tall order. 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.960 I mean, there's so many things that have to fall 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:11.079 into place for that to happen. So let's not get 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.440 ahead of ourself. Let's let's get to Valhalla for the 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.440 PGA and see what transpires there. If you look at 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:20.520 the courses coming up for majors, you've got Pinehurst for 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.800 the US helping, You've got Trooned for the Open Championship. 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.160 Those are two good driving golf courses, courses where you 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.920 got to control your ball. I know they've made changes 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.920 at Valhalla, and I haven't been there to see what 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:33.719 the changes there are going to be. But Valhalla is 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.720 a pretty straightforward course right in front of you. So 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.480 I think all three of these courses suit his game. 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.040 I remember, I don't think there is a course that 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.720 doesn't suit his game the way he's played because he's 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.080 so under control. But let's go from the first major 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.480 to the second major and see what transpires before we 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:50.760 start looking the way down the road. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.080 He's won two Masters. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:56.360 Now, dub what do you think about his game lends 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.959 itself to Augusta Nashvill in the way that golf course 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.000 gets set up and the test and the questions the 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:06.760 design of that golf course demand from me, what do 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:08.120 you think he has? 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:09.000 Because I mean he can't. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.839 I mean, if you win two Majors and you've got 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.520 two out Augusta, it would lend it would lead you 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:17.120 to believe that the game that you have sets up 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:18.240 good for that golf course. 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.480 Well, he won two different ways. The way he played 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.280 this year at Augusta was not as well as he 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.560 played when he won it the first time. He's a 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.280 different player now, he's better in all aspects of his game. 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.000 He has gotten better. That's not to take away from 0:11:32.000 --> 0:11:33.760 when he won the first time, because he played beautiful 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:36.160 and he got the job done. But he went out 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:37.920 and won this time. I mean, he just took this 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.719 place away from everybody else in the field and just 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:42.760 said this is mine, this is how it's going to happen, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:45.439 and went out and did it. The first one, it 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:47.520 was a little bit of a chore and stuff, and 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:50.000 you know, to win you first major is not easy anyway. 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.600 And now that he's won two times and he's going 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.520 to have to be a thousand percent full of confidence 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.680 that he can win these. He's a very confident player. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 As you said, He's got all the attributes, especially the 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:04.280 mentally tough, which you have to be to continue to 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:09.080 win majors that I can't say enough about Scotti Scheffer. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.840 I think he's a phenomenal player. He's a phenomenal human being. 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.240 I wish he was a little more charismatic so the 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.880 fans could relate to him a little more, which isn't 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.559 his fault. He just is who he is and I 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:21.080 admire him for being who he is. 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.880 I think the partnership of getting Teddy Scott on his 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.880 bag as his caddy, I think that's been a huge, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:33.040 huge asset in the sense that they're very similar people 0:12:33.440 --> 0:12:36.079 on the golf course. They're very similar people in the 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.520 way they live their life off the golf course. What 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.720 do you think having ted Scott on the bag is done? 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:42.960 I mean he counted for Bubba Watson when he won 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.280 two green jacket, so Teddy Scott as a caddy. He's 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:51.400 been on the back for four Masters Championships. But I 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.240 think it's just been an amazing partnership. And the calmness 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.360 that Teddy Scott brings on the golf course I think 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.600 is just perfect for the way that Scotty thinks some plays. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.960 I think it's a brilliant move for Scottis Scheffler to 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:08.160 bring Teddy Scott on. Teddy Scott had semi talking about retiring, 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:10.400 wanting to go do some teaching and stuff like that. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.360 He gets the call from Scotti Scheffler, he thinks about 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.000 it for I don't know how long. I would think 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:18.000 only about two minutes and said yes, I'm there and 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:20.760 the rest is history. They are a wonderful team and 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.520 they're perfect for each other because they're very similar off 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.040 the course too. They believe in the same things. They 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.200 live their lives the same way. It's been a great 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:33.199 move for scottis Scheffler and an even better move financially 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:34.959 for ted Scott. That's for damn sure. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:38.120 I mean Teddy Scott is making It's gonna be one 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.280 of those years where Teddy Scott is going to qualify 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.520 for the Tour Championship. I mean he's going to be 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:45.680 He's gonna make enough money on the money listened to 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.560 play in the Tour Championship. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:48.760 For the years over where he may be the second 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:49.600 Lady month later. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.360 There's no better way to enjoy the Majors than to 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.760 play the course while you're watching all the action. 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I know 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.920 Roy gave you the call kind of right before Augusta. 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.240 But Dad, in twenty fourteen, when Rory won his last 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:20.280 major to go to go to four, he had four 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.920 majors twenty fourteen, the way he won that golf tournament 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.920 again late turning on the gas. If I told you 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:28.560 in two thousand and four, at the end of the 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.280 year or fourteen, that in twenty twenty four would be 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:35.320 going back to Valhalla, that Rory would only have one 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.840 major or four majors, and that Brooks Koepka would have 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:43.440 more majors than Rory Macrowy. I just don't think anybody 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.120 in twenty fourteen would have believed that, given how talented 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:49.440 Rory is. 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:51.360 What a storyline. 0:15:51.360 --> 0:15:54.160 I mean, he has an opportunity to win his first 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.560 major in over a decade. 0:15:57.160 --> 0:15:59.560 His game is so good. 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.600 But remember once, that long time ago in the nineties, 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.320 you were working with Greg Norman and he shot seventy 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.040 five when he was number one in the world, And 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.640 I said, he can shoot sixty six with his eyes closed, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.600 and you said to me, but sometimes he can shoot 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:15.440 seventy five with his eyes wide open. 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:19.160 Rory is like that. He can shoot. 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.520 He can make shooting sixty three looked so unbelievably easy. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.320 But there were times in the last ten years in 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:30.400 major championships where he puts himself behind the eight ball early, 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:32.800 he doesn't get off to the good start. Then he 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.880 has to go on offense, where it's hard to be 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.800 on offense in major championships. Why do you think it's 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.160 been over a decade since he's won a major. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.640 Well, we'll go back to that first point. When he 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:45.960 won those four, you would have thought he'd have run 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:48.280 on and had maybe eight by now. You could say. 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.400 You could say the same about Jordan's speeded he caught 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.280 on fire early and he won a bunch of them, 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.360 and he hasn't won any either. It just shows you 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.160 how hard it is to win him. I mean, I 0:16:57.200 --> 0:17:02.240 think in Brooks's case, Rory's case, and George's case, they 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.360 act kind of made it look easy the way they 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:07.960 were doing it. In Brooks's case, he's become the major 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:11.560 championship assassin. I mean, you go to a major championship, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.320 he's ready. I mean, it's almost And you know Books 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.320 better than anybody. You were the one who helped make 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.320 Books who he is. You had him from the challenge 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:21.720 to our way back a zillion years ago. I remember 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.120 when it was the twenty thirteen at the opening of yourfield, 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.719 and then the first time I saw him and you said, here, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:29.240 I want you to come look at his kid. Books 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:32.200 kept going working. Well, we've done a phenomenal job with him, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.159 and he's done a phenomenal job of making it happen. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.640 But it's not easy to win these things. I mean, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.080 these guys sometimes they make it look easy. That's what 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:43.200 made Jack and Tiger so much better than everyone else 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.600 as they did it for twenty five years. I mean, 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.720 you look at Jack. I mean, yeah, he won eighteen 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.680 of them, but he wouldn't have thirteen fourteen, fifteen seconds. 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.080 You know, you look at Tiger, he'd been going on 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.639 and on right now, Scotty Shepherd's the man. Rory is 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.159 the guy we would have thought was going to to 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.560 be that man. But I think a lot of times, Caud, 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.440 when things come too easy for you, you just expected 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.760 to always be there, and then when you hit that 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.840 speed bump in the road or something, and it kind 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:11.960 of gets you all tracked, you start changing things and 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.720 you start thinking the other way. I personally think that 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:19.320 Rory is back to being Rory again. I mean the 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.119 work I did with him, it wasn't a tremendous amount 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.240 of changing what he did. It was his attitude and 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.920 the way he played certain chots from one hundred and 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.040 fifty yards and he made that full swing like he's 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.320 hitting the driver, and I wanted him to make more 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.560 three quarter swings and chop the bottle through off a little. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:37.480 He's a very high ball hitter, but with short irons, 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:39.720 highballs aren't good. It's hard to control. We wanted to 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:42.399 bring the ball flight down, and then I've showed him 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.120 a lot of different ways to do that. He's put 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.320 his own spin on that and he's incorporating that into 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:51.040 this as he goes on to watching the tournaments stuff 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.400 Couyle Howell. He's still working on the things to try 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:55.919 and do those things. But he's got to do it 0:18:55.960 --> 0:18:58.360 in his way. I showed him and explain to him 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:00.000 why he should do it and how he should do it, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.760 but then he's got to put his own take on it. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:05.440 I think we saw in New Orleans he felt very 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.359 comfortable to what he's doing. We see it again this 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:10.880 week as you and I are speaking. The tournament's going 0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:15.080 on in Charlotte, and he's right there. Only what done 0:19:15.119 --> 0:19:17.840