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Speaker 1: the Son of a Butcher Podcast. I'm your host, Claude Harmon.

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Speaker 1: This week it is a PGA Championship preview, the second

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Speaker 1: major of twenty twenty four Valhalla, and I figured hadn't

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Speaker 1: had him on a while to get my dad, butch

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Speaker 1: Armon On talk about obviously the favorite coming in this week,

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Speaker 1: Rory McRoy, get his takes on that and just anytime

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Speaker 1: one in August, and I think he always has amazing thoughts,

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Speaker 1: Rory McRoy picks up the phone and says, listen, man,

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Speaker 1: So you know there are a lot of players that

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Speaker 1: The best players the last thirty years, so always good

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Speaker 1: There's no one else like him butch Harmon. Well, with

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, because there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: Scotty Scheffler just plays amazing golf and makes it look easy.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he just he knows how to get

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Speaker 1: When you look at his stats, Dad, right now, I

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Speaker 1: The footwork Dad, that everybody talks about. I think everybody

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Speaker 2: He's won two Masters.

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Speaker 1: without limits. I want to get to the work that

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Speaker 3: Really been playing, no doubt, and you know, the PGA,

434
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Speaker 3: I take my hat off to him for inviting what

435
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: sixteen of the Live players to play. Because the world

436
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 3: ranking thing is a bunch of bs now, because the

437
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 3: top fifty in the world to get in majors is

438
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 3: something of the past. They got to come up with

439
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 3: a new system because if you look at Live, John

440
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: Rahm is the only guy in the top top thirty five.

441
00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean, Brooks is thirty seventh, Cam Smith is fifty six.

442
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,680
Speaker 3: You can go all the way down to DJ three

443
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,439
Speaker 3: hundred something. So I mean the world ranking thing, that

444
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 3: to me, they should throw that out now for major

445
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 3: championships and go on quality. And I think that the

446
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,919
Speaker 3: PJA have done that, and my hats off to them.

447
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: What do you think is is there a fixed in

448
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,479
Speaker 1: your opinion for the world rankings, because obviously the argument

449
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 1: is everybody that went to Live knew what the consequences were,

450
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: they knew what they were getting into, they got paid,

451
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: But it just seems like, you know, for the majors,

452
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: the majors want the best fields, and regardless of which

453
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: side of this that you're on, you know there are

454
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: people that are, you know, fiercely loyal to the PGA Tour.

455
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,880
Speaker 2: There are people that like Live listen, I don't.

456
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: Care, but I think the lawyer the majors now they're

457
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: the they should be the best fields. And this argument

458
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: Dad that the best players got together all the time

459
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 1: and we need to have that happen more. You've been

460
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: around golf more than I have. That rarely happened. Rarely

461
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: did you have tournaments where all of the best players

462
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,320
Speaker 1: were playing. The Players Championship always tries to get the

463
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: best field of the internationals and the guys that play

464
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour. The majors have historically been where

465
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: we have that. But you said that, you feel like

466
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,879
Speaker 1: maybe in twenty twenty four and moving forward that given

467
00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: what has happened and what has transpired over the last

468
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: two and a half years with Live coming on the scene,

469
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 1: it looks like the world rankings are somewhat comical now

470
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 1: when you have players I mean the eye test, right,

471
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think for those of us involved in

472
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 1: professional golf, if somebody I don't care where they're playing,

473
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,119
Speaker 1: if somebody is playing in Europe and wins four or

474
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Speaker 1: five tournaments, that passes the eye test in professional golf,

475
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: you know the players that are the best players in

476
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 1: the world based off of their performance, their toolbox and

477
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: the way they play in visional way moving forward, that

478
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 1: the majors maybe say, okay, I mean the one that

479
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 1: could change it all. And we talk about this all

480
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: the time, the Masters in the way that they run

481
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: that golf tournament. The Masters could play with the completely

482
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: set of their own rules. They could say to everybody, listen,

483
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: you have to play with our golf ball. You have

484
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: to play by these rules, and everybody would do it

485
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: because they have so much respect for the tournament and

486
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,679
Speaker 1: you know the history there. Do you think that maybe

487
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 1: the majors take the lead and start saying, listen, we

488
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: are going to make up our own criteria to invite

489
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Speaker 1: the players that we feel are the best.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think a Masters has already done that the

491
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: last two years. They were the first one. I think

492
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: they were the event that the PGA, the Open championshid

493
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: us help them, was looking at to see how they

494
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,720
Speaker 3: handle it because they have their own rules on how

495
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 3: they invite people, and just because you qualify doesn't mean

496
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 3: they have to invite you if they don't want to.

497
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: They were the first one to say, yes, we want

498
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 3: these guys. They're the best players. You look at this year,

499
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 3: we had a whole bunch of live guys playing there.

500
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 3: We got what sixteen of them playing in the PGA.

501
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: This is what we want. We want to see the

502
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 3: best fields we can have. Now they're talking about they

503
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: formed the committee to talk to PIFF and see if

504
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 3: they can start to make this happen. And I think

505
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: it's going to happen Pud because it has to happen.

506
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 3: The PGA tours losing sponsors. This is the last year

507
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: for Wells Fargo, Hand has already gone. Some of the

508
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 3: others are talking about, well, how can you ask us

509
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: to spend all this money when we don't really have

510
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 3: the best players in the world playing together. So I

511
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: think the Masters are really the template of how it's

512
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 3: going to be. Now, how we get to that remains

513
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 3: to be seen. There's still a lot of water under

514
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: the bridge. They got to clean up and stuff. But

515
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 3: I'd like to see some sort of start where there

516
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 3: can be some crossovers, whether the three tours get together,

517
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: you get lived, you get the PGA Tour, you get

518
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 3: the dp World Tour, and say, look at certain events.

519
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: If somebody from Live wants to play in this, we

520
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 3: can invite them. If somebody the PGA Tour wants to

521
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 3: play in a live event, Live can invite them to

522
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 3: play in it, and so and so forth. I think

523
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 3: that would be a start. Is not going to happen,

524
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 3: Probably not, because it's logical and nothing seems more chological

525
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 3: these days.

526
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 1: Dad, how much do you feel over the last two years,

527
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: the fact that Rory was basically the spokesperson for the

528
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. How much do you think that affected his

529
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: own course performance in his game.

530
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,120
Speaker 3: I think it affected him a lot, and I think

531
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 3: the powers to be at the tour, i'd have to

532
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: just say out of him because he's the commissioner. I

533
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: think they asked him to be the spokesman, and to

534
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 3: his defense, he did, and he put himself out on

535
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: the limb, and then in a way he got thrown

536
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: under the bus on a lot of the things that happened.

537
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: And now he's kind of changed his tune. He's come

538
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: over to being a lot more open minded, which I

539
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 3: talked to Rory about when I was with him about

540
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: a month ago, and he has opened his eyes and

541
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 3: he said, you know, maybe I got a little bullheaded

542
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: and the way I did stuff, And so I admire

543
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 3: that for him. He's come out and said that he's

544
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: on that committee now to talk to to be able

545
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 3: to talk to the people that live, and I think

546
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: he's going to be a great asset for that. I

547
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: think the problem you have you have Tiger over here

548
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: on the PGA tour side. He seems to be very

549
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 3: anti lived. You have a bunch of other guys that

550
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 3: seem to be that way. There has to be a

551
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: way for all three of these tours to come together

552
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: and play. That's all we want, that's all we want.

553
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 3: We want to see the best players in the world

554
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,640
Speaker 3: playing in as many events as we can get. And

555
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: somehow or another, the three bodies are going to have

556
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: to put their egos aside. And I'm not going to

557
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: pick side. I'm not going to pick the tourist side,

558
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 3: Live side, dB World two side. Just everybody, throw your

559
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: egos out the door, let's sit down in the room

560
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: and let's make this happen. I mean, that's that's the

561
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 3: way things get done. But it doesn't seem to be

562
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 3: working out that way.

563
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,360
Speaker 1: Well, I know from you know, from I mean obviously

564
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: on all of my guys went to Live. I know

565
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: there will be a lot of live players and some

566
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: of the bigger live players that will look at this

567
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of new diplomatic It's like the diplomat Rory right

568
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: to where he's thinking. And you know, this is from

569
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: a guy that a couple of years ago was saying

570
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: he hated Live, he wanted it to die, it was

571
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: going to die. You're right, I mean, I think it

572
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: is a good thing. And then you know, just in

573
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: the last you know, forty eight hours, the ultimate the

574
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: epitome of the ultimate live hater Brandall Chamblie comes out

575
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: and says live on air that there's got to be

576
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: a deal to be made and they need to make

577
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: a deal. It's crazy times right now. Where do you

578
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: stand on on this?

579
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: Do you think that there's this big push now?

580
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 1: You know, I'm standing on the range and one of

581
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: the AUGUSTA members said to me, it just seems like

582
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of greed in professional golf.

583
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 2: Right now, and there there seems to be a.

584
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: Lot of people talking about the product. There's but five

585
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: years ago, i'd never heard anybody talk about the product.

586
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 1: I never heard anybody talk about what a professional golf

587
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: was putting out. Live comes in, they offer a bunch

588
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: of money and stuff. Do you think that in your opinion,

589
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: do you think the players have gotten greedy or do

590
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: you think the players are finally saying we finally have

591
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 1: a voice and we've always been told we're independent contractors,

592
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: but we have to be told what to do by

593
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: the tours that we play on.

594
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: I think some of both. To be honest with you,

595
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: and look at the tour you talk about degreed. Didn't

596
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 3: they just come out and start handing out hundreds of

597
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 3: millions of dollars to people in some kind of trumped

598
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: up deal. I don't know what it is what they

599
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: take to fed away money and then give it all

600
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: of the players or something that Isn't that what Live did?

601
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: I mean? Come on, and if you're on the PGA tour,

602
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 3: you need to open your eyes and say, you know,

603
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 3: maybe you didn't agree with Live, And I got no

604
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: problem if you didn't agree with it, because it was

605
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: kind of a strange thing that I offer these gigantic

606
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 3: come outs with mini of people. But you can't you

607
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: can't get on a guy for doing it, and you

608
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: can't say that he can never come back because that's

609
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: ridiculous too. But now all of a sudden, the PGA

610
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: Tour is doing the same thing, Claude. I mean, I

611
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 3: don't know what they call this thing. They just hand

612
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: out what Tiger Woo's got one hundred million and Rory

613
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: got right on down and they had three different categories

614
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 3: of how much money you get. So I mean, in reality,

615
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: everybody ought to thank Lid because I think they live

616
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: open their eyes to what can happen. Okay, that's important thing.

617
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 3: What can happen? Now? Did both sides are starting to

618
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: go this way. It's been that way for three years.

619
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 3: The PGA tours now audishing out a lot of money.

620
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 3: Just because you've been there, I said, all right, let's

621
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 3: get together. Okay, you kind of both are on the

622
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 3: same thing. It's just that some people do it this way,

623
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: some people do it that way. But the money's still

624
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: coming into the players. You can't say that the players

625
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: are being greedy because of the fact that they're getting

626
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: paid more money. Anybody that listens to your podcast weekend

627
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: and week I would love to have someone come up

628
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: to them and say, hey, look, I'm going to give

629
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: you fifty times more than you make doing your job.

630
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: To do the job over here, my guy didn't get

631
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: on a trampoline and leap over there. And I think

632
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: now the PGA tour is kind of drinking that kool

633
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: aid with this new thing they're coming up with. So

634
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: at least we're working in the right direction. Let's just

635
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 3: damn it, let's make it happen.

636
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: If you look at the people that are involved with

637
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: the decision making process on tours, I mean, these are

638
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: the ssg's guys that are coming in now with the tour.

639
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: They are very very good business people. You've got yaes

640
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: ser at the piff they're in business. I mean, these

641
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: are some of the smartest business people on the planet.

642
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: And if you look at the decisions that they're making

643
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: on a daily basis from a business standpoint, and some

644
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: of the things that they're able to do in the

645
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: business world, and some of the decisions that they're making

646
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: and merging companies and coming out with new products, to me,

647
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it seems like there isn't a solution because they don't

648
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: want one. Because with all of the smart people that

649
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: we have, it just continues to amaze me. But with

650
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: all these smart people and these business people and people

651
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: like Jimmy Donn and people you know from SSG and

652
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 1: the people that I've met, you know in Saudi from

653
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: a business standpoint as well. I just I think there's

654
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people that just don't want peace, that

655
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: they don't want this to come together, and it seems

656
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: like there's a faction of people that want this divide

657
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: to continue.

658
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: Do you do you get that feeling?

659
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: I hope not. I hope you're wrong. I can see

660
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: where you can think that way. As a first of all,

661
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 3: it's backtracked a little. I don't think Jimmy Dunn gets

662
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: near enough credit for what he did. Someone had to

663
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: go talk to the Saudis. Someone had to go. He

664
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: was the guy. Jimmy loves God, he's bizarre, seminole, he's

665
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: a remember Augusta and all of these and I commend

666
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: Jimmy for dinner. They've kind of pushed him beside now,

667
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: even though he tried to make the attempts to make

668
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: some things happen. I just think that now the players

669
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: seem to be running the tour. Okay, is that good

670
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 3: or bad? Well? Professional tour players aren't businessmen. That isn't

671
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: good that they're running the tour. They need to have

672
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 3: structure ahead of them. They need to have Do we

673
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: need a new commissioner? I would say we probably do,

674
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, because I don't think the

675
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 3: players trust this commissioner. Is there anybody that would be

676
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: great at that? Sure, I have my opinion on guys

677
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: that I think would be a great commissioner. They're probably

678
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: not going to do it. But we got to have

679
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 3: some kind of some kind of backbone and some people

680
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: to say, hey, look, I may not agree with this

681
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, but what's in the best interest of

682
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 3: the game of golf. Let's get together. Let's make it happen.

683
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: I hope that you're wrong on the packs and the

684
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: people are saying, no, we don't want to make it happen.

685
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 3: We like the divide. I hope that's passed. Three years ago,

686
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 3: I could understand that because there was a lot of

687
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: Burgo hostility between the tour. I hope that that's gone

688
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: now because I think we need to go and try

689
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: and be positive on all ends and let's make this work.

690
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: What would you envision professional golf looking like in twenty

691
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: twenty five if you could up, what would be your

692
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: vision of Okay, this is what you would like to

693
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: see happen from the tour standpoint, from live standpoint, from

694
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: all the various tours around the world, and then from

695
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: what the majors are going to be doing as well.

696
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: What would be your wish list of where we are

697
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five.

698
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: I would like to see the three tours get together

699
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: form a end of the season events. You can take

700
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: four events, six events, whatever you want to take. For

701
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: the best seventy players in the world, no matter what

702
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 3: tour they come off of, play for fifty million dollars

703
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: an event or something like that, and I think the

704
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: savvast could make that happen. But it's a combination of

705
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: everybody has a chance to play in this and it's

706
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: the end of the season, true world championship stop. I

707
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 3: mean that to me sounds very reasonable and it's so

708
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 3: logical that'll probably never happen, because, like you say, there

709
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: are people that are trying to make it not happen.

710
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 3: I actually think claud if the commissioner three years ago

711
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: had taken Yastra's phone call, we might have already had that,

712
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 3: because I don't think Yoser wanted to own all of

713
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 3: golf in the world. He wanted to be part of it.

714
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know him very well. You and I

715
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: have had this conversation. I think he wanted to be

716
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: part of the process. He could have been a phenomenal

717
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: part of the process, just to make what I just

718
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 3: said happen. Can you imagine at the end of the year,

719
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 3: in the silly season, when football is going on and

720
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: all this other stuff World Series and Baseball, all this

721
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: stuff is going on, that all of a sudden, we've

722
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: got six events, say six weeks in a row. Pick

723
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: a number you want, one hundred players, seventy players, seventy

724
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: five players, the best players in the world, come all

725
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 3: over the world. Have a criteria to bring the best

726
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: all of the world together for a huge prize money.

727
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,919
Speaker 3: Make it. If you win the thing, you get eight

728
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: nine million dollars, would give you charity five million dollars

729
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 3: or something like that. Make it something that people would

730
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 3: care about and want to watch, and actually they would

731
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 3: turn it on even when there's a football game on.

732
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: They say, holy smokes, this is something special. Look at

733
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 3: who we got playing in this thing. Look where they're playing.

734
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: They're playing all over the world. They're the best courses

735
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: in the world and all these countries. This is what

736
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 3: people want to see. This is what it's all. Why

737
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 3: do you think that the NFL and is that all

738
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 3: these are going they're playing games in Germany and England

739
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: and stuff because people want to see them play. Well,

740
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: golf's no different. People want to see these people play.

741
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 2: Yeah.

742
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: We just got back from you know, Australia and Singapore,

743
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: and the crowds that turned out in Australia, it was unbelievable.

744
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: They just they've never seen that. That's many good people.

745
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: The golf courses Dad in Australia, the sand belt golf courses,

746
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: they're just they are just so good. The design, the

747
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: bunkering in Australia and those sand belt and we you know,

748
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: the Grange where they played the live event isn't one

749
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: of the superstar I mean Royal Adelaides right across the street,

750
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: which they say is really good. But I just love

751
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: to where they're There are these green complexes and the

752
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: bunkers are basically on the green, and there's these deep runoffs,

753
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: steep faces, and it just it allows for so much

754
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: shot making. I know you've been down there a number

755
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: of times. The golf courses are just so cool down

756
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: there in Australia.

757
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: I've fyed a lot of those, especially in the sand Belt.

758
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: I've fighted a lot of those golf courses with a

759
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 3: great tom crow, my good friend, we'd go over and

760
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: play them. The bunker and is phenomenal. I mean, it

761
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: reminds me of Tilly Hasse and Wingfoot, the deep bunkers

762
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 3: with steep slopes. The beauty that I love about the

763
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 3: golf courses in Australia is the banks are very firm

764
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: and everything goes down into the flat of the bunker.

765
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 3: If you notice the only rate the flat part of

766
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: the bunker, because that's where all the balls end up.

767
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: Very seldom do you see one stick in the bank.

768
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: It can happen if they've had some rain and stuff.

769
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 3: But their golf courses are beautiful. But there's great golf

770
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 3: courses all over the world. I mean in great parts

771
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: of the world that would love to see an event

772
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: like we're talking about, and they would. You couldn't. You'd

773
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 3: have to stop selling tickets. So many people would want

774
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: to go see the day. Let's get these three tours.

775
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: Let's get PGA Tour Live, Let's get DP World Tour.

776
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: Get off your ass and let's make some of this happen.

777
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 3: Let's sit down and talk about it. New haters got

778
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 3: to stop hating.

779
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 2: The hate.

780
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: Time is over with Live not going anywhere. It's going

781
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: to be here, and they're putting a good product on.

782
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily agree with the fifty four holes. I

783
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: wish they'd go to seventy two holes. I don't necessarily

784
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 3: agree with the shotgun start, although the players like it,

785
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 3: because then whether it's not a problem everybody's on the

786
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: course at one time, the team thing is. I'm sure

787
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 3: it's fun, but it's very confusing when you're trying to

788
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 3: watch it because they start talking about this and that.

789
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: But I think there's a way to continue along and

790
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: everybody get along, and there's just different aspects that each

791
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 3: tour has. It's really good, and let's put all these

792
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: aspects together and let's create some of it. Well.

793
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if you think about what they

794
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: did with PGA Tour, you right, I mean lud big

795
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: ober Coming, who was just so impressive at Augusta this

796
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: year finished in second. I mean last year at this

797
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: time he was playing college golf. Now he is was

798
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: he seven in the world. Thea what they did with

799
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, you which was giving you a ranking

800
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: system to college players everybody. I mean, obviously I think

801
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour did that one hundred percent to try

802
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: and counteract the live money trying to take the best

803
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: college players. But I mean that is something that everybody

804
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: in the professional game has thought that needed to happen.

805
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: For the last fifteen years, right.

806
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: I mean, the players coming out of the college golf

807
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: system now are amazing. But what I find interesting is

808
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: we can't figure out how to get live World ranking

809
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: points because it's fifty four holes, there's no cut. Individual

810
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: team doesn't seem to be.

811
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: A pathway on that is college golf.

812
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: College golf is fifty four holes, there's no cut, there's

813
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: a team an individual winner every week. I can't pick

814
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: up if you're seventeen years old, you can't pick up

815
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: the phone and call John Fields at the University of

816
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: Texas and say I want to play golf at the

817
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: University of Texas. He's going to tell you, well, we

818
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: would have to recruit you, and you can't just come

819
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: qualify for a team. He basically every week through qualifying,

820
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 1: how many times college golfers. Have you coach that said, yeah,

821
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I finished second qualifying or third and qualifying, but they

822
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't take me this week. So the coach picks the team,

823
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: and then if you're really good and you're going to

824
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: go to Stanford, they're going to pay for you to

825
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,879
Speaker 1: go to school there.

826
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: So if they can figure out.

827
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: How to get somebody out of that system directly onto

828
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, like you said, there's got to.

829
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: Be I can't blame the PGA Tour for doing that.

830
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: I mean of Coursel. I got about all of the

831
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: tour good. I thought it was a great idea. I

832
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: think the stumbling block for LID is fifty four holes.

833
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: I really do. I get it. They wanted to be different.

834
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: I know that l I V stands for fifty four ands.

835
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: I get all the coalition with that. I don't have

836
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: a problem with the team stuff. The guys seem to

837
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: like it. They seem to enjoy it. I mean, we

838
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 3: have Ryder Cup teams and international team the President's Cup,

839
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 3: so we have team events. But I don't blame the

840
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: PGA Tour for doing that. I see where your argument

841
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: would be, but I just think that the fifty four

842
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: hole is a crutch. I think if you went to

843
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 3: seventy two holes and maybe seventy players or so, because

844
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 3: these events that go on with seventy players in it

845
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 3: and no cuts, I mean that would be the same

846
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: thing as what lives doing. You know, designated to me

847
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: makes sense. I just think the world ranking the way

848
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: it's run, I never understood it anyway it was. I

849
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 3: mean I didn't go to MIT, I went to no It,

850
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: So I mean I couldn't understand what the hell that

851
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 3: I had. The guy at de Royal County down we

852
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 3: were having a lunch one day and we were talking

853
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: about it, and he was trying to explain to me,

854
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: and I was a deer in the headline finding I said, look,

855
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 3: I'm very sorry, but I have no idea what the

856
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 3: hell you're talking about. Okay, I wasn't very good in school.

857
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: I didn't like school. If I wasn't a good athlete,

858
00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: I couldn't have got through school. So I mean, you're

859
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: talking to the wrong guy with meal pissing into the

860
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: win because you're getting it all over yourself because I

861
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 3: have no idea what you're talking about. So they got

862
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 3: to come up with and I don't think the players

863
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 3: have any idea of how it works either. I mean

864
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: when I look down to live players and I see

865
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: that Patrick Reed is ninety two in the world ranking.

866
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: These are major champions. I mean Cam Smith fifty six,

867
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 3: he took major championship d Chambeau. He's one hundred and seventeen.

868
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 3: Dustin Johnson is three hundred and seventy ninth in the

869
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 3: world ranking. The guys one major championships. Bill Michelson just

870
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: won one a few years ago and he's one hundred

871
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: and fifty eighth. What kind of system is this? I

872
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: have no idea what the hell this is? I mean,

873
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: come on, let's get a system that works. How about

874
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: to get a system. As my dad used to say,

875
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: that the guys that shoot the low scores win, that's

876
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: the system. The best players in the world are the

877
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: ones that are shooting the lower scores. I don't give

878
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 3: it damn what you're ranking as a two year ranking

879
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: and all that bullshit. If you're shooting good scores and

880
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 3: you're winning, tess what you're good. I don't give it

881
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: damn where you're playing.

882
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: And that goes back to the eye test that we

883
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: were talking about, right, you know the best. You know

884
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: who the best players in the world are. Right, The

885
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: ranking system is the ranking system, But those of us

886
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: that are lucky enough to be in professional golf, that

887
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: are lucky enough to still work with good players, you

888
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,399
Speaker 1: know who the best players in the world are. When

889
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: somebody goes, oh, he's one of the best players in

890
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: the world, you're gonna if you're looking at the record,

891
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: how many tournaments they've won, how many majors they won,

892
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: you might say, yeah, Okay, he's had a good year

893
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 1: and he's finished second a lot, but he hasn't really

894
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: won a lot of golf tournaments. The eye test, I

895
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 1: think is important in the ranking system data. One question

896
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: I've got to ask you, going back to Rory mclroy,

897
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: You'll be eighty one in August. You've been lucky enough

898
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: to work with the greatest players of the modern generation

899
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: and stuff, But you know you're eighty When Rory McElroy

900
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: calls you, does it get you excited?

901
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: Does it make you go man? Roy McRoy just called

902
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: me and asked me for help.

903
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: As an instructor who's been in the game for so

904
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: long and worked with so many great players, does it

905
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: still kind of give you that buzz in your stomach

906
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: that went a great player like Rory wants your opinion

907
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: on something.

908
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: Does it?

909
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: Does it?

910
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: Does it still have that same feeling that it's always

911
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: had for you.

912
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: Damn Reditize, You're damn reditize. I'm honored that he would

913
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 3: think that they call me. He's done it before. This

914
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 3: was the first time we've done it. And there's a

915
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 3: lot of them that have done it. You know, Jordan's

916
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: done it, Dat's done. All the best players that come

917
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 3: a cake, they just want to hear something different, or

918
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: maybe they want to hear you tell them something that

919
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: they've missed you something, but you dn't right. I loved

920
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: it when he called me. It was like when Ricky

921
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: called me back when he when we hadn't been together

922
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 3: for three years. And I love that that he had

923
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 3: the confidence in my ability as a as a as

924
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: an instructor and a coach. And there are two different

925
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: things to be honest with you, but it makes you

926
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: makes you feel good because, Wow, these guys still have

927
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: faith in me. I might be eighty, but I've still

928
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,959
Speaker 3: got these two track mans right here that work pretty

929
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: damn good. These blue things that you're looking at right here,

930
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: that that's what these are my track mans right here,

931
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 3: and they worked pretty good for about the last forty

932
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: years with these guys. So yes, I was. I was humble,

933
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 3: and I got a big smile on my face, if

934
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: you want to know. And I couldn't wait for him

935
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: to get here because I already had an idea. You know, me,

936
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: I've watched every great player in the world, and I

937
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 3: have a memory bank and golf swings in my head

938
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: that I've seen everybody play. So if a guy were

939
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: to call me I've never worked before, I guess what

940
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 3: I've watched it play. Now, if I've ever had an

941
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: idea what I thought you could do? Yeah, I think

942
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: I could help you. And in Rory's case, it was

943
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: it wasn't difficult what he needed to do. We had

944
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: some good, good conversations about how to handle majors and

945
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: the deals, deals and how you approach majors and how

946
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: you go about it, and so, you know, so I

947
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: loved every minute of it.

948
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,600
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949
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:54,359
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950
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951
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,440
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952
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: in all four days of the competition at close by

953
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956
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: much did you.

957
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 2: Yell at him? How much did you did?

958
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: You put him in the office and get on him

959
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: a little bit.

960
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: I didn't really get on them. We sat down in

961
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: the office, we had a conversation with by our families

962
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 3: and stuff, and then we started talking about major championships.

963
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 3: And I tried to explain to him, because I've had

964
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: a lot of successful guys that have won a lot

965
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: of major championships, about how they went about processing the

966
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: major championships, not just this is before we got into

967
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: his mechanics of his swings, of the things I thought

968
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: he should do. I wanted to talk about Augusta and

969
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: the very majors. We talked about preparation leading out, how

970
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: you handle it, who you live with when you're there,

971
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 3: do you get there too early, get there later, you know.

972
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 3: And I just explained how everybody did it differently, and

973
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 3: then then I'd laid out to him. I said, but

974
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: he says so because he had he had gone to

975
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 3: Bay Hill and made twenty six birdies and finished like twenty.

976
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 3: He had gone the next tournam and he's missing greens

977
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: in the left bunker with wedges and nine acts. And

978
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: I explained to him why. And I explained to him, Look,

979
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: you've got a golf swing that's built to drive the ball.

980
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: You're the best driver in the game since I've seen,

981
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: since Greg Norman drove. I said, you're you're a phenomenal driver.

982
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: I said, the problem is you hit your web shots

983
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 3: with your driver's swing. Got this big old long swing

984
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 3: and this big ol' fallow through the balls too high

985
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: in the air. I said, I need to show you

986
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 3: how to hit three quarter shots, bring the ball flight

987
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 3: down so one bounce and stops the donecomb roaring back

988
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 3: off of greens. Because of the height you're taking it

989
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 3: in there, you'll control the distance better. I explained to

990
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: him how he would do it. Then I said, look,

991
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to put your own take on it

992
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 3: on how you do it. But and and so far,

993
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: you know, he's done a nice job. And I can't say, yeah,

994
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: he's not doing everything that we talked about, but he's

995
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: picking the pipes that he thinks he can do right now,

996
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 3: and he's playing better. He's more consistent now every week

997
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: he's right up there again, which is what we want

998
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 3: to see.

999
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you.

1000
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: Worked with, you worked with two of the biggest alpha's

1001
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: probably the professional game has ever seen, in Greg Norman

1002
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: and Tiger Woods. They had everything. They had every shot,

1003
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: they had everything that you could do. When you look

1004
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: at Rory Dad and you look at his game, not

1005
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: just the way that he plays golf, the toolbox he has,

1006
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: where do you rank him out of all the players

1007
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: that you've seen, Because I think he's one of, if

1008
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: not the best players I've ever seen. I mean, he's

1009
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: to me, he is as close to Tiger and Greg

1010
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: as you can probably get from having everything.

1011
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 3: Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't say he's is close to Tiger.

1012
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,839
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's close to Tiger. There's only one

1013
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods. His tale like he is. Greg Norman doesn't

1014
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: get the credit for how great he was because he

1015
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: only won two Maniors, because he had the bacles and

1016
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: other ones. A lot of them were his fault, A

1017
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: lot of them they weren't his fault. And we're judged

1018
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 3: on major championship but Rory's got four of them, so

1019
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 3: he's he knows how to win major championships. He won them,

1020
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: he knows how to do it. I put Rory right

1021
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 3: there with one of the best players of all time.

1022
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think yet his game management

1023
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 3: is as anywhere as near as good as Jackson Tigers.

1024
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: Greg had the Australian mentality. He was an Arnold Palmer,

1025
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 3: a gopher, broke of everything, and a lot of times

1026
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 3: he let his ability to have all that talent get

1027
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: in his way. And I think Rory has done that

1028
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 3: in the past few years. And I think he's getting

1029
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: away from that now. He's starting to understand his own

1030
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 3: game a little better, you know, So we'll see what happens.

1031
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: But he is truly one of the best players he's

1032
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: ever lived. I mean, you can't say he isn't. Look

1033
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 3: at his record.

1034
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: Going to the PGA. Give me some dark horses that

1035
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: you think could play well. I mean, obviously I think

1036
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: everybody's going to be looking at Scotty. I think everybody's

1037
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: going to be looking at Rory Brooks. Having just won again,

1038
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: He's going in there with a bunch of confidence. I

1039
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: was with him today. He's back to really feeling like

1040
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: he's playing good. He wasn't happy with the way he

1041
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: played at the Masters, So I think he's going to

1042
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 1: be somebody they'll talk about. But give me some of

1043
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: the other players that you think could have a chance

1044
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: this week.

1045
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: Well, I think the young Aberg kid. I'm not sure

1046
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: I'm pronounced his name right. I think he's phenomenal. I

1047
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 3: think he does. He have oh the length of time

1048
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 3: that I have learned how play.

1049
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: And win a major, only a second major.

1050
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the guy who plies under the radar

1051
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: the most, who hasn't won one, and it's hard to

1052
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 3: believe his Tommy Fleetwood. And I don't say that just

1053
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 3: because I work with him. I just know his game

1054
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: so well and how good he is. And you know,

1055
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 3: he could have won the Open Championship last he could

1056
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: have won the US Open Championship. He put himself in

1057
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: those positions, the putts didn't quite fall for him. He

1058
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 3: played beautifully at Augusta finished tied for third at Augusta.

1059
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 3: If he puts it all as good as as Sephid

1060
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: that he would have been right there given him a chance.

1061
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 3: I think Tommy is a dark horse that you can

1062
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: look at. If I'm looking at some of these other players,

1063
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 3: you can't leave out Patrick Cantley because he's a good

1064
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 3: ball striker. He's a strange guy, but yet he has

1065
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: the talent to do it. Max Holmes's got the talent

1066
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 3: to do it. If I look at some of the

1067
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 3: live guys that are playing there, Cam Smith, you've already

1068
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 3: said the rom we know books, we know if Terrel

1069
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: Haddon can keep a cool ahead about himself, I love that.

1070
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 3: I love this guy. I got to say something about

1071
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: terol at Terrell Hadton is what the game needs right now.

1072
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: The game the PGA Tour, for example, to me, these

1073
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 3: young players are so good, but the tour is driven

1074
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: by superstars and characters don't really have Chef was a superstar,

1075
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: but he doesn't have that charisma the others half. Terrel

1076
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 3: Hatten's got it, man, He's got the other I wish

1077
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 3: there was a few more like that. I'm not saying

1078
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: that we need to keep a microphone around him all

1079
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 3: the time. But he gets a bad shot. But Doug

1080
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 3: gun Tom Bench is entertaining.

1081
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: And how much does Tyrell Houghton reminds you of yourself

1082
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: when you played the tour?

1083
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: Well, his demeanor reminds me of itself. Not this talent

1084
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 3: level I entered into talent. I love the guy and

1085
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: as you know, off the course, he's a nice guy.

1086
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: He just is passionate about what he does. And when

1087
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: he goes into these rent and ravens, it's usually about himself,

1088
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 3: not about anything else.

1089
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, he's not complaining about he rarely. I mean

1090
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: he'll complain about hitting the flag or getting a bad break,

1091
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: but normally the thing he's complaining the most about Tyrell

1092
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: on the golf course is Tyrol.

1093
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you look at you look at Bryson. Bryson

1094
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: is an odd duck. But Bryson's a hell of a player.

1095
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: I mean, you in the US Open, the Wing Poot,

1096
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: you can play golf. I'll tell you that. But see,

1097
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 3: we don't have these kind of guys anymore. We don't

1098
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 3: have these these out of the box kind of guys.

1099
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 3: We got to whole bunch of clones that all look

1100
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 3: the same. They're beautiful golfers, and I'm not taking it

1101
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: away from them because they're phenomenal golfers. But the problem

1102
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: is you turn on the television and a normal PGA

1103
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: tour vet and you look at the top ten, you

1104
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 3: may only know one or two of these people because

1105
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: the really superstars haven't played that well at various times,

1106
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 3: so people turn it off, they go to something else.

1107
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: We need these guys that are a little bit of

1108
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 3: a character. I mean we had it in the old days.

1109
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: I mean you still have it on the Champions There

1110
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: Tour with John Dadley. People love John Tiley. John Daily's,

1111
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: you know, poor guy, he can't get out of his

1112
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 3: own way. He's a tremendous talent. But we need stuff

1113
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: like that. We need characters, and I think the Living

1114
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: has kind of brought that in with the music and

1115
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 3: the way the guys have a good time out there

1116
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 3: and stuff. So there's there's a lot of things that

1117
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: I think need to happen in professional golf, But I

1118
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 3: think the overall first thing is we got to get

1119
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 3: all the best players playing in the same event. And

1120
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: we're going to have that next week at Valhalla, and

1121
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 3: quite honestly, I can't wait to see what's going to happen.

1122
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: Lastly, we'll see Tiger Woods hopefully again next week at Valhalla.

1123
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: We saw him play at Augusta. What do you think

1124
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: we'll get from from t dub? I mean, is are

1125
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: we going to continue to get more of what we

1126
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: saw at Augusta to where you can obviously see that

1127
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: he'll have a day where he's fresh and looks like

1128
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: he has all the shots and looks like he's in command,

1129
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: and then halfway through the next round, it's like there's

1130
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: an expiry date on his body and his body just

1131
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: gives out on him, and you're thinking, man, if he

1132
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: can just finish this round and somehow finish this tournament's

1133
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: it's a win and a success for him.

1134
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: Well, let's just kind of like it is anytime Tiger

1135
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 3: Woods plays. We like it because we don't know what's

1136
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: going to happen. We all know Tiger Woods. If he

1137
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,319
Speaker 3: shows up to play, he's going to tell you I'm

1138
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: there because I think I have a chance to win.

1139
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: The downside is Claudie can't walk. Can he walk? Seventy

1140
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 3: two holes so far has proven that he can't, and

1141
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 3: That's a sad thing for me because I hate seeing

1142
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods as great as he was. And really he

1143
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 3: seems to have put a lot of work on his

1144
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 3: golf swing. I like the way he's swinging the club,

1145
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: what he's dealing with with his legs. He figured out

1146
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: how to offset that a little bit. So the talent

1147
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: level is still there. It's Tiger Woods. There's nobody's ever

1148
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 3: had more talent in the world. Look like golf of

1149
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods. The problem is you got to walk seventy

1150
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 3: two holes and he just hasn't proved to himself. Forget

1151
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: proven anything to us. He didn't prove anything to us.

1152
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: We know how great he was. I just hate seeing

1153
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 3: him going out there suffering and try and make himself

1154
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 3: believe he can still do this when I'm not sure

1155
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: he even believes he can walk seventy two holes. But

1156
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: we're gonna get it. We're going to get a look

1157
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: at it and see if he can. And you, you

1158
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: and I have been in Valholliver for it's hilly. There's

1159
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: a lot of hills and a lot of up and

1160
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 3: down there, and that's wear and tear on him. But

1161
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 3: if he shows up, I know Tiger Woods. And I'm

1162
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: never gonna ever say he can't do something, because that

1163
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 3: was what I used to challenge him within the ten

1164
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: years I work with him. When I really wanted him

1165
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: to do something, I just tell him he couldn't do it,

1166
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 3: So let's move on to something else. What do you

1167
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 3: mean I can't do it? I told you probably could,

1168
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 3: but it would take a long time. No, let's show

1169
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 3: it to me. So you know, he's got his mind

1170
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 3: believing that he can, and he's used after his strength

1171
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: his whole career. I just hope if he shows up,

1172
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: he could be healthy and he can enjoy his time

1173
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 3: out there. The fans love him, They love having him back.

1174
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: Television loves having him back once again. We'll just absolutely

1175
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 3: what happens.

1176
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: Well, he famously won in a playoff at Valhall against

1177
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: Bob May. You were working with him then, what do

1178
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: you remember? What do you remember about that week?

1179
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: Oh? I just remember the back nine that he played

1180
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 3: and then the playoff post. I mean it was just amazing.

1181
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean you got to hint it to Bob May.

1182
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: Bob made did everything right. Bob May did not lose

1183
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 3: the PGA. Tiger Woods just beat him, and to lose

1184
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 3: the Tiger Woods, there's no excuse. But I've made made

1185
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: some great potts and hit some great shots. He'll be

1186
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 3: remembered the fact that the Tiger won. But to me,

1187
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: I and I was doing the broadcast for Sky, I

1188
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: was there at the time. Bob May was amazing. Tiger

1189
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 3: coming down the stretch was amazing. I mean the puts

1190
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: he made on seventeen putty made on the last hole

1191
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 3: coming down that hill with that slider was unbelievable. After

1192
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: coming beautiful bunker shot coming out. I mean, there was

1193
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: some some cool stuff going on there. Valhalla is special.

1194
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: I remember the Ryder Cup when your man Anthony Kim

1195
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 3: who now on LIB was playing Sergio Garcia and that

1196
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 3: what was it the fourteenth hole or something? He won

1197
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: the hole of clothing. No, he won. He'd racing to

1198
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 3: the next day and Jose Riya, one of the vice captains,

1199
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 3: had to say, no, hey, k wait a minute, you

1200
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: won the match. So there's I've got some cool memories

1201
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 3: at Valhalla, and I think we're going to see some

1202
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: more next week at least, I hope.

1203
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: So all right, Well, great talking to you.

1204
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,040
Speaker 1: I think the stuff you're doing with Rory, Yeah, and

1205
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 1: if he'll listen to you with the wedge stuff, I mean,

1206
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: it'll definitely help him because he's I mean, he's seventy

1207
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 1: seventh and and starts gained approach. You can't win majors

1208
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: if you're Rory McElroy and be in the seventies in

1209
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: in hitting greens.

1210
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: You've got to be one of When Rory McElroy is.

1211
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Playing his best, he is an elite iron player, and

1212
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: I think the work that you're trying to do will

1213
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: help him get back there.

1214
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 2: Thanks for talking to us.

1215
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: Always good to talk to you, and I'll give you

1216
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: some updates from the PGA.

1217
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,959
Speaker 3: All right, thanks for having men. Love you, buddy.

1218
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: So some really good takes from Butcher there. And as

1219
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 1: I said in the in the opening, I mean the

1220
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: life that he has lived in the game of golf

1221
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: and the players that he's been lucky enough to work with.

1222
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: I thought he it's second to none, the record that

1223
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: he has, how many players he's helped win major championships.

1224
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: And I thought he also, you know, said some really

1225
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: good things, some clear thinking things about you know, the

1226
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: game of golf. In twenty twenty four Live the PGA Tour,

1227
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: wear all the shakes out stuff like that, so always

1228
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: good to get.

1229
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 2: His views on things.

1230
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: And PGA Championship I can't wait for its start. Should

1231
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 1: be a good week Valhalla. Lots of storylines. Does Scotti

1232
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: Scheffler get another major championship? Can Rory get his first

1233
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: in ten years? I mean this is the last time

1234
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: he got one was in fourteen at Valhalla. Can John

1235
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: Rahm get another one? Can Brooks Keepker get another one?

1236
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 1: Can Max Homa and some of the guys that don't

1237
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: have one, can they get there first? Some great storylines.

1238
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: I think the majors are the most important events in

1239
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: professional golf at the moment, regardless of what side of

1240
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 1: this debate you're on, But it seems to be the

1241
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: time that we're getting the best players from all the

1242
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: various tours. I think hats off to the guys Seth

1243
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: Wall and the guys at the PJ of America for

1244
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: giving invites out. I think it's that, you know, we

1245
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: try and find a way to make all this work

1246
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: as supposed to, try and find a way to make

1247
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: it not work. Son of a which comes to you

1248
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 1: most Wednesdays, We will definitely see you next week.