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Speaker 1: This is me Eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely,

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Speaker 1: bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You

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Speaker 1: can't predict anything, alright, So right off the bat, before

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Speaker 1: we even introduce everyone, Jason Phelps, I'm gonna we're gonna build,

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Speaker 1: We're we're gonna create an elaborate We're gonna create a scenario. Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna respond to the scenario, like like how

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Speaker 1: you would suggest people to respond to the scenario? All right? Now?

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Speaker 1: Who um, who can do like a pretty convincing gobbl noise? Oh? Mark? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon, going me a sample for you? Yeah? Let

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Speaker 1: me yea, let me let me Okay, So you guys,

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Speaker 1: you know how you know when when you get a

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Speaker 1: couple of glars gobbling over each other, and then who

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Speaker 1: can be an angry hen? I'll go, I'll go angry.

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Speaker 1: Hen You're gonna be a You're gonna be you're the

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Speaker 1: boss gobbler, marks them. We haven't even got to do

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Speaker 1: get out yet, Okay, marks the boss gobler. And Remy's

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Speaker 1: like the guybler always tries to gobble over the boss gobler. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and we need a angry hen. I can't do it now?

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Speaker 1: Can anyone do an angry hen who's doing that? Oh? No,

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Speaker 1: aid of yeah, but I want her like angry. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So okay, So here you are. I'm gonna paint the

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Speaker 1: scenario for you. All right, Okay, it's Jason Phelps Felts

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Speaker 1: game calls. You've been making a lot of calls. I

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Speaker 1: have just like our dudes buying turkey calls right now

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Speaker 1: or did they already buy them? They are still right

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Speaker 1: up to the last day, right up for the last

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Speaker 1: week buying. There's still guys like now that it's opening

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Speaker 1: day tomorrow. But the typical responses, Hey, if I ordered

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Speaker 1: the day, can you get him out tomorrow? And when

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Speaker 1: have my can you have to my camps up? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. So here you are. It's dark, okay, and

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Speaker 1: and uh you're a hundred fifty yards away, and here's

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Speaker 1: what's happening. Okay, So that's what's going on. Okay. So

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do real soft tree ELPs if they're still

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Speaker 1: on the tree. So this is so okay. So so

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Speaker 1: you're you're calculating they're up in the roost and you're

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a lot. You know, drag goes out. Well,

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Speaker 1: these galblers are low t because normal goblins would have

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Speaker 1: root to my to my TREEO. Um, so that's your TREEO?

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Speaker 1: Really quiet? Four to five yelps? And what are you

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Speaker 1: think of when you think in the trio, I'm just

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Speaker 1: letting him know. Ideally I'm still on the tree as

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Speaker 1: But I'm trying to let them know there is a

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Speaker 1: you know, a hen over in that tree, and say trio.

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Speaker 1: When you say trio, you're saying that, not that you're

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Speaker 1: yelping to them in the tree, but you're in your

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Speaker 1: so I'm trying to paint that picture. You may, they

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Speaker 1: usually roost next to some other hands. They knows it

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Speaker 1: the tree. Help again. And so by their instant response,

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Speaker 1: standing first, spending a bunch of gas to go out

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Speaker 1: there and cut the stuff down when I will when

424
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 1: I will have no return on my investment. Now, mark, um,

425
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: can you define food plot real quick? I guess a

426
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 1: general definition would be some type of crop planted with

427
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: the specific purpose of either attracting an animal to it

428
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: and or supplementing nutrition. So that could be something like

429
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: clover or kale or rape or soybeans or corn or

430
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: when are we anything like that? Are you? Um? Are

431
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 1: you sensitive when people bring up the comparison of food

432
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: plots debate? No, I don't care. I mean, I under

433
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: I understand the argument. Um, it doesn't hold water from me,

434
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: but I but even if it did, that's all right.

435
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 1: You can you can choose to see it that way.

436
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: I'll I'll do my thing, you do yours. I got

437
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 1: an our white tail, do you thing for it? I

438
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: got another answer? Brody sketches, sketch this deal out. Uh So,

439
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: last fall in Pennsylvania, a an archery hunter was he

440
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: was hunting public land, had a bunch of trail camera

441
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: setup was pretty familiar with do you already do you

442
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: already know what we're talking about? Really? Um um um?

443
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 1: It sounds like this guy's a pretty dedicated archery hunter,

444
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: for for just from knowing you know what we've read

445
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 1: about it. But he's hunting public land trail cameras. He

446
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 1: puts an arrow in a pretty gigantic bug, especially considering

447
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: it was shot in Pennsylvania, which is like a heavily

448
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: hunted stage. Yeah, you could call it a big, huge

449
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,679
Speaker 1: giant on public land in Pennsylvania. It's impressive and and

450
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania's seeing more big bucks because they went to antler

451
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: restriction a while back. But either way, he sticks an

452
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: arrow in this deer and does not find it. Um

453
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like it may have been a questionable, questionable shot.

454
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: No one really knows. Either way. He doesn't find the deer,

455
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: and forty one days goes by and he finds eventually,

456
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, he kept looking for the buck, finds the

457
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: buck forty one days later, archery season has ended. He

458
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: may have found it during rifle season. I think he did.

459
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: But he puts his tag on a desiccated carcass that

460
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: have been picked over by predator. Is the only thing

461
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: that's left as the spy and the skull and the

462
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: antlers tags, the tags the antlers, and eventually the word

463
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: gets out. The guy gets the buck measured. Pennsylvania Game

464
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: and Fish Commission confirms it as the new state record

465
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: archery kill. What do you think about that? Mark Kenyan?

466
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: That's cool, really, But there's new state records and states

467
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: like every year. Now it seems like I can't keep tracking.

468
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: That's not the question. Are you not getting the question?

469
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: What's the question? Archery kill? Is it a hunter killed

470
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: record versus a found forty one days later? There is

471
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: a place in the record. And I don't know. I'd

472
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: like to have this guy on the show. You would

473
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: love to get this guy on the show to talk

474
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: about this, because he's like a meteorite could have fallen

475
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: from the sky and that animal forty one days. But

476
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: then when do you set the where's the lie? I

477
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Eight hours? Eight hours? No?

478
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean if it was up kill, like what killed it? Infection? Coyotes? Right?

479
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm an interesting I have a similar situation

480
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: that happened to me one of the best year I

481
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: ever shot. It was a poor shot, unfortunately, and then

482
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: I found it was shot poor shot um. But I

483
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: thought he's gonna die. So I searched in search and

484
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 1: search and search and search, never found him until I

485
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: came back in February to shed hunt and there he

486
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: is right in his bedroom where he usually was. So

487
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: do you act like you found did you find it

488
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: or get it? So the way I would describe it

489
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 1: is that I killed him but I always say I

490
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: found him in February. So let's say that buck was

491
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: a big giant record buck. Yeah, would you turn it

492
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: in as a record buck or would you look at

493
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: it on your wall and be like, damn, I made

494
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: a bad shot on that buck. So that I I

495
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: found that I found. I found his skull and his spine,

496
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: everything there. Got a salvage teg from the DNR, brought

497
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: it home, and then a friend of mine had an

498
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: extra cape. He said, hey, man, that this is a

499
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: buck that kind of like my Holy Field deal. I

500
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: had hunted this buck for two or three years, knew

501
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: him really well, had been chasing this thing forever um

502
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: and this whole thing happened. My friends like, man, you

503
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: have so ch like wrapped motion wrapped up in that deer.

504
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: You should mount him. I want to give you my cape.

505
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: So I thought about it. I was like, I don't know,

506
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: But in the end I decided to do it, and

507
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: I put it on my wall so that every time

508
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: I walked past that thing, I always think about, never

509
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: make that mistake again, like never, don't screw up, practice more,

510
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: compose yourself. Like every little thing I can second guest

511
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: or thought through that I might have been wrong, did

512
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: wrong on that evening. Now I rethink that's so it's

513
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: your it's your totem of self. Flag how's that word? Flag? Flagulation,

514
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: self flagellation, flagulation, So open yourself. It's a powerful it's

515
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: a powerful representation of like what was a really painful

516
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: like moment. It was like a high when I got

517
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: that shot this day I've been after and then the

518
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: mistake and then uh so, let's say a dude walks

519
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: in and he's like, hey, you know what turns out

520
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: that'd be the that's the new state record. Would you say, well,

521
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: uh no, I'd say I don't know. I don't I

522
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: don't know where that line is. I definitely wouldn't try

523
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: to promote as a state wreck. I wouldn't have like

524
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: turned it in to try to get as a state record. Now,

525
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: this happened to my old man too, and it was

526
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: not I remember it was enough days where he hit

527
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: a deer out of his tree. It was a nice box,

528
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: especially for like that that era in Michigan. He shot

529
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: a deer right below him and no exit wound. Weeks later,

530
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: my brother Danny's walking out the rifle hunting finds the

531
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: deer um and it hadn't gone far. It's like it's

532
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: still it was in the went into a corn field,

533
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: and we must have walked over a hundred times, walked

534
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: around it, even to the point where it was so

535
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: baffling how we could have missed it that we entertained

536
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: this idea that he had left and then days later

537
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: came back. But then when you look at the placement

538
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: of the era, that's just that's doesn't make sense. We

539
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: just missed him, right, And I don't know he found

540
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: it weeks later, but he entered it. He entered it

541
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: in if you went and looked his like commemorative box

542
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: of Michigan or whatever his name is there with that

543
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: tuck and all he did he took the head off.

544
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: It had to go find a cape. I remember the Winner.

545
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: We're out hunting rabbits. We dropped in to take a

546
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: look at that buck and there's a whole board in

547
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: the side of it from creators getting in there. And

548
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,239
Speaker 1: I looked in there and found a possum. Denned up

549
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: in there, pulled him out by his tail and took

550
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 1: up I still have a picture of me holding that

551
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: possum up by his tail, so he entered that buck

552
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: in and not looking at it like when you're a

553
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: little kid, you don't know you know now looking I'm like, damn,

554
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man. You're like, you didn't really get him.

555
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: You found It's like a thing you found, you didn't

556
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: get him. It's a really interesting question because you, I

557
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: guess it depends on the shot, Like if you know

558
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: that that shot killed that deer, But is is getting

559
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: him meaning that the killing of that deer in the

560
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: the the recovering of it in a certain timespan, or

561
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: is that killing it? And I mean, and then to

562
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: your question, you don't know when that deer died, if

563
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: it died the next day, or if it died then

564
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: and you just missed it, or if it died a

565
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: week later, but it was because of the wound. I

566
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: hate I hate this whole conversation because the idea of

567
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: wounding and deer in this being a long drawn off

568
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: processes is a horrible thing that's talk about. Yeah, but

569
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: the thing that happen, so I don't like exactly it

570
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It does happen, So what would do I

571
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: want to go? Okay, so picture this scenario that that

572
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: you're the commander of the world, and as commander of

573
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: the world, it comes to you that you need to say, uh,

574
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna put a time limit on it. Yeah, I

575
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: would say seven days. Pat here, here's my thought. Can

576
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: you hear me? All right? Um? So I have a

577
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: couple of questions just to clarly, he's really going to

578
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: decide on how he's so if this rood is the

579
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: resident expert, right, so this particular dear, maybe I missed this,

580
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: But did that guy that shot that deer, like say,

581
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: he shot that deer and killed that deer, right, but

582
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I don't know how long the season is.

583
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Maybe it's too shorter a season for this happened. But

584
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: this could happen in Montana where if you if you

585
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: don't recover your dear. It's not illegal to shoot another

586
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: deer and any states, but it's it's I would consider

587
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: it unethical. But if that guy shot another deer in

588
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: that deer's place, so he gets up in the tree stand,

589
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: he shoots that buck, he doesn't find it. In two days,

590
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: he goes and find it, right, another buck walks by,

591
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: arrows that buck punches his tag and puts it on

592
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: that deer or now I would say that guy can

593
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: claim it if he like the right thing, goes, I

594
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: killed that deer, he cuts his tag. He goes, I'm

595
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: gonna look until I find that deer. You know what

596
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: I mean. If he was like diligent and goes, I'm

597
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna look until I find that deer, it's like, all right,

598
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: he made a bad shot. He reconciled that he cut

599
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: he that's his deer. He punched his tag on it.

600
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: Now he looks for it, and it took him six

601
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: weeks to do it. That really sucks. But he put

602
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: in the effort. Good on him, he knew he killed it.

603
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: That's his. But if he's like the next morning, oh,

604
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: a little spiker walks by and he shoots it, punches

605
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: his tag on that, and then finds that deer later

606
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: exact the that's not the lad the former version happened.

607
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: It was the form revers. I don't know if he

608
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: hunted anymore. I don't know if he kept I mean,

609
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: he was out during rifle season when he tagged it.

610
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: I believe, looking well, who knows. I'd love to have

611
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: this guy off. I mean, there's so many details he

612
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: can't clear up. But he you know, in order to

613
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 1: register this buck for a record, he had to put

614
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: a tag on it, and he tagged the skull basically.

615
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, he went above and beyond legal and ethical

616
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: obligations to find the thing. But if I was commander

617
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: of the world, it would be like, you gotta find

618
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: that thing in order to register. You gotta find it

619
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: in time to use the meat. That would be my

620
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: cut off. But I tend to agree. But again, let's

621
00:33:53,760 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: say you get a hit and you're like, man, not

622
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: a great hit. I'm gonna let it go overnight. It's

623
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: gonna get cool tonight. I'm gonna let it go over

624
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: tonight because I think that it's gonna give me a

625
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: better chance to find it than if I bump it.

626
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: And then you go out and Kyle's got so. So there,

627
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: here's a guy, he's got like a whole plan, he's

628
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: doing everything right. He goes out beyond his control. Kyleot's

629
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: got it. I would still say. I would say to

630
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: that too, I'm like, you got it, Yeah, you got

631
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: the buckets your It's unfortunate that that happened. You were

632
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: probably aware that that was a risk. It probably rolled

633
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,359
Speaker 1: through your mind based on everything you had going for you, um,

634
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: everything that you were dealing with, uh, your buck. Yeah,

635
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,919
Speaker 1: I take back my previous declaration as commander of the world.

636
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: I like Brodie's better everybody. I want everyone to just

637
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: to just put a time stamp on it. I'm gonna

638
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: say as commander that I'm talking about God putting a

639
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: gun to your head and you saying, and he says,

640
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: you have to tell me a time period forty eight hours.

641
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: With great reluctance, I would say forty eight hours because

642
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: I do think that you know with that that meat

643
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: aspect fits into that in most cases, barring very warm weather,

644
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, various snaf foods. But so maybe

645
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: I'm just unfamiliar with Pennsylvania rules. Is it because it

646
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: was a bow? Because hoping, I mean, Boot and Crockett.

647
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: Half the things in there. Most of the world records

648
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: are pick up skulls. That's explain what that explain? Record record.

649
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: Bighorn sheep was found on that island out in Flathead.

650
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: Everybody knew. I mean that sheep was pretty much high

651
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: fence sheep. He's on this little island out in the

652
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: lake and there's a million pictures of it, and then

653
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: that sheep dies and then the state of Montana has

654
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: the new world record. Yeah yeah those sheep. Yeah, so

655
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: now and then now and then a bear of black

656
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: barrel slim out there. There's a bunch of fruit trees

657
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: out there, and now and then a black burill swim

658
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: out there when the fruit trees are in blossom. So

659
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: imagine they do deal with some level of like stress.

660
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: But you go out there, yeah, you just can go

661
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: out there and sort of almost walk up and you know, yeah,

662
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: so hang out with them. So I guess I was

663
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: like when I saw that that's the new world record,

664
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, well, is the Bronx Zoo gonna beat

665
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: that record next? Could? That's but that's that's the whole thing.

666
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Is that hunter killed or is it found? And in Pennsylvania,

667
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of states and and Buona Crockett, they

668
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: have different categories, right, like hunter killed animals and picked

669
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: up animals, even sheds, right. So I think the question

670
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: everyone's got about this buck is was it hunter killed

671
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: or was it found? So my question, my answer to

672
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: that would be simple, when he walked out there, did

673
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: he find it? Yes, he found it? There you go,

674
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: he would the guy. He would say that he found

675
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: it during rifles. He didn't recover it. He didn't recover

676
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: it during rifles. He's he found. You can't. Yeah, you

677
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: can't recover something months later you find I mean exactly

678
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: if you were to go missing in the adrad It's uh,

679
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: I was recovering chopped up cars. Okay, I'm sorry, can

680
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: you can you can? You hand Phelps your deal? So

681
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: just the argument of finding it, like we use blood,

682
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: we use tracks, we use broken twigs. So he didn't

683
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: recover it, he found it. Like Remy said, there's there's

684
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: some key ingredients to finding a buck versus recovering a buck.

685
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: And I would say he definitely found it. But Jason

686
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: Phelps and the whole thing, you had to put an hour,

687
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: like you you were forced to put a time limit

688
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: on it or else you can get you know, killed

689
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, but you have to look for it

690
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: an all daylight hours up until that point, Like there

691
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: needs to be some effort involved, like when we if

692
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: you want to make a bad shot, there needs be

693
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: some effort involved. So for two days, but you better

694
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: spend those two days looking for it. Martin Bourbon Oh man,

695
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back up here, because there's a lot of

696
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: twists and turns to this thing. So as they say,

697
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: it starts to make its own gravy, that's exactly so

698
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: when he was so when he I'm gonna say, when

699
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: he found this buck, was he actively searching for it

700
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: or did he stumble upon it? That's why That's why

701
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: Jason's point. Was he reading that sign, was he you know,

702
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: going over there in his head like you know, like okay,

703
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: I think he might have bet it he was. He

704
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,439
Speaker 1: had shot the thing, he knew it was potentially dead

705
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: in the area, and I think it was a continual

706
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: process of hoping he would eventually stumble across those antlers.

707
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: So he wasn't in his hunter orange during the rifle season.

708
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't know all the details that you know, but yeah,

709
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean he was continuing to look for it, um,

710
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: But it's not It's not as if forty one late

711
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: days later he was thinking he was hunting that buck.

712
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, And to your point, I mean,

713
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: I mean, odds are right that that buck died as

714
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 1: a direct relationship to being hit with that arrow, but

715
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: also could have been who knows well there's so many

716
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: there's so many unknowns. Like you said, there's so many unknowns,

717
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 1: that's a lot of time. Did somebody else put an

718
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: arrow in that deer as it watered by his stand

719
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: and he didn't find it too? You know? I mean, yeah,

720
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: maybe caught a little e h D in the meantime,

721
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, it's it's it's And I'm not

722
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: trying to take anything away from this guy. Man. I

723
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: would like, like I said, I would love that. I

724
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: would love to chat with him because I'm just curious

725
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: his perspective on it. I'm not like, I'm not like

726
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: dogging on the guy. What's the WEP just is a

727
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: really interesting situation. It's yeah, I mean, it's totally interesting topic.

728
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: Here's another one, motor perplexing one, and again Mark just

729
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 1: has this. Sorry, I'm sorry, but it comes down to

730
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. It's okay because white tails are the most

731
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: hunted species in North America, for the attention should be

732
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: on us this. I gotta tell your story. Someone someone

733
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: walked up to me yesterday and they said, so get this.

734
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: I was at a bar. This is someone telling you that. Yes,

735
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: someone's telling me a story. So I'm speaking as the storyteller.

736
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: The storyteller walks up to me and says, I was

737
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: at this bar for a b h a pint night,

738
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: and uh, he saw me wearing this public landowner shirt.

739
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: The guy walks up to me, and he's confused, who

740
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 1: are you being right now? I'm the storyteller. You're you?

741
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: No, No No, okay, I'll be you. I'm telling a story

742
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: of a guy telling me a story of a story.

743
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,959
Speaker 1: So it's confusing, but you you're me, okay. I am

744
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,479
Speaker 1: the person that I just talked to you yesterday. Hey, Mark,

745
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: go ahead. I was at a point. I was at

746
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: a pint night in the up and this guy walked

747
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: up to me and he was he saw me wearing

748
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: my public landowner shirt and he says to me, hey, uh,

749
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: you're wearing that public landowner shirt. It'd be really cool

750
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: if you could get Mark Kenyan to come up here

751
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: and talk about that kind of stuff, or if you

752
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: can't get him, maybe Steve Rinella Man. All right, they

753
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: got the ranking right. Yeah. It wasn't like when Remy

754
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: got to be the boss gobbler. I was like, that's

755
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: the first time that's ever been said. Okay, so all right,

756
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: this is this is out of your comfort zone. But

757
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: it's just something I heard from Brody that you just said. Yeah, Brodie,

758
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: he lay the groundwork again. Brodie, we're talking about last

759
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: night we talked about this is the most baffling. Okay,

760
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: the other night, Brodie sends me an article and it's

761
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: a guy I don't want to talk about who he is.

762
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: It's a guy griping about all right, it's so complicated.

763
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: You can order because he's griping about um social media people. Okay,

764
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: gear ambassador, gear ambassadors, how they ruin everything and they

765
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: like to take pictures of big, huge, giant trout. And

766
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: he knows the truth that they catch these big trout

767
00:41:55,080 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: when they're spawning. And Brodie, who's a guy catch released

768
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: trout fisherman, sends it to me annoyed about the perspective

769
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: on it. And Brody brings up to me, like, why

770
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: is it that the whole world everything they fish. Everyone's

771
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: always fishing the spawn. People travel great distances. This fish

772
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: steelhead when they're in the river spawning. You fish salmon

773
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: in the river spawning. People plan trips to fish bluegill

774
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: off the beds. You throw a jig into a bass bed.

775
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Everyone fishes spawning fish, but all of a sudden, like

776
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: trout piarists have gone and said that this whole huge

777
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: history of people targeting fish when they congregate to spawn

778
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 1: is unethical if it's a brown trout. And you agree

779
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: with that, Oh no, I didn't. I thought that it

780
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: was an unethical practice, you know the way I was

781
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: saying supposedly, because I don't know. I'm just I just

782
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm learning this. So I just taught myself to fly

783
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: fish over the last few years. I've never really been

784
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: a big trout fisherm until just recently. I was telling

785
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,919
Speaker 1: the crowd about this article I and so I was saying,

786
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: they were saying, this is supposed and I was looking

787
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 1: at you, like, right, I don't know. Yeah, I got

788
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: the impression that came out to me. I was like,

789
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: I was like, is that the case? I have? No,

790
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: I have no clue, So reading that like I would,

791
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm just fishing. I don't know, I don't get it.

792
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Call him, please go ahead. Everybody's right and everybody's wrong. Okay,

793
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: uh yeah, And we have certainly built up this hierarchy

794
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: of species that's nothing new. But there comes a point

795
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: where okay, So there's this river around here, it's called

796
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: the Lost tail Water Fishery below you know, below the dam,

797
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: and there comes a point where you cannot hardly walk

798
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: in that river, wade in that river without standing in

799
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: a red in a spawning bed. At the same time,

800
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the water is eighteen inches deep and

801
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: you can see every single fish. I do not find

802
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: it ethical to then go fish for those fish because

803
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: you can you can drag him foul hook, he can

804
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: hook him in the back and drag him off that

805
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: bed or flawesome. Yeah, and then they'll turn around and

806
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: go right back to that bed and sit on it.

807
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: So what's the problem. The problem is, it's I mean,

808
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: it does not fishing. Okay, So when when a little kid,

809
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: if there's a down not catching. When the look kid

810
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: goes down to his mom's dock and there's a dozen

811
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: bluegill beds in knee eat water, and not only will

812
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: they feed, but they'll aggressively guard their nest, and he

813
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: lobs a worm into that collection of bluegill beds? Is

814
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: he is he being unethical? Let me come on, so

815
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: I have a question. Yeah, I mean, and this is

816
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: the nature of this discussion, right, it's like, first of all,

817
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: the stuff that you Flatlanders do, I mean, who really cares? Right, right?

818
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: So like the crappie of the bluegill, the bass. For

819
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: some reason, we have us as a rocky Mountain West

820
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: society have decided that that stuff just doesn't matter as

821
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: much as our trout do. Um, and maybe that has

822
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 1: something to do with like recovering populations. But you can

823
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: talking about non native like rainbows and browns, like, first

824
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 1: of all, they're not disappearing anytime soon, and they don't

825
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: technically belong in any of these synthetics. The synthetics purely

826
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 1: synthetic fish. Uh yeah, but so look at the freaking

827
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: pike minnow right. The squaw fish, those I will not

828
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: mess with on the bed, completely native fish. There's a

829
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: bounty on their heads below the Baudeville Damnado. They're endangered.

830
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: You can't like like you know, so it's all I

831
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: did not know that. Yeah, they're in Colorado. People got

832
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: chucking them on the bank wrote this article that gout

833
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: that we kind of all apparently read or got forwarded around.

834
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Was referring to Brown's. Yes, that was import This is

835
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: where it makes more gravy like Steve says, well, how

836
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: it read to me was as much as much as

837
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: this guy was concerned with the ethics of ripped and

838
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: spawners off of a bed, he was more concerned with

839
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: dudes from out of state coming in and screwing up

840
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: the fishery that he guides on. So it was like, well,

841
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: I could have been out on that spawning bed making money, right.

842
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: You know. The other the thing that I took away

843
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: from it though, was just the fact I thought the

844
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: point he was making was how people are putting ethics

845
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: or their crossing lines to try to get famous, Like

846
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: Instagram frightness. He was talking about how more and more

847
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: people are doing these huge photo shoots with every big

848
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: fish because they want that huge photo and they want

849
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: to be on the cover of whatever they want to

850
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: free pair of sunglasses or something. So you see people

851
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: staying around for two minutes holding the fish out of water,

852
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 1: or you see people in this case, he said that

853
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: they were going down a closed Stretcher river. They knew

854
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: it was closed, but they still went down and they

855
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: had to pass signs that said I was closed. I

856
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: don't remember why I was closed or anything. That's a

857
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: different story that's called poaching, so that he was making

858
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: that argument. I thought that people were doing things like

859
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: that to get famous. The one particular fishing question was caught.

860
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy did all kinds of illegal stuff,

861
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: but there's like a greater picture of this, generally fishing

862
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: for spawning trout being like something you should go to health. See.

863
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 1: I thought that he was using that as the story

864
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: to illustrate the larger Yeah, well it's okay, one of

865
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: the most masterful writer in the world. So I feel

866
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: that he he's got a few axes to grind. He's

867
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: kind of in a grumpy mood. He doesn't like maybe

868
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: he's the I'm sure there's he's gonna hate this. It's

869
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: probably like a fair bit of jealousy involved a little bitterness, Okay,

870
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: And you put all these ingredients together and you get

871
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: kind of a rant. And just as he's taking talking

872
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: about the influence of social media on fishing in an

873
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: example of that would be that that you would be

874
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: so audacious as to catch a spawning trout to up

875
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,319
Speaker 1: your social media presence. Okay, as much as he's taking

876
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 1: that little iceolate example to prove a larger point, I'm

877
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. He did when I'm plucking out.

878
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: One portion of this is to say, like to declare

879
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: that you targeting a particular species of imported European fish

880
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: um during its spawn as being unethical. How how does

881
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: that relate to all of the fish that we all

882
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: sort of agree you do fish during the spawn and

883
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: has the gentleman that wrote that article, I'm presumably if

884
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: he's a fishing guide in whelming, he's a pretty seasoned angler.

885
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: Presumably he's been up to Alaska or BC and fish

886
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: to king in the river. There's there to lay his

887
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: eggs her eggs. Yes, the difference is, let's say you

888
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: have this catch and release fishery cat you then the

889
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: fish come up and spawn, they're on their beds, they

890
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: get through the spawning process, but then they're guarding their

891
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: beds um and they're not eating, but they're doing that

892
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 1: aggressive behavior of knocking other fish off the beds or

893
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: and um. You know, and you're fishing eggs. Sometimes they're

894
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: trying to knock eggs off their bed other other fish's

895
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: eggs off their beds and um. There is a time

896
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: of year where there's eight of us in this room.

897
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,759
Speaker 1: We could walk up that river and all eight of

898
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: us could catch that exact same fish somehow, some way,

899
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: because it's gonna go back to that bed and it's

900
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: gonna sit on that bed and it's gonna do his job.

901
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: And you know, we could stress it out to the

902
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: point very easily where it's gonna die. So why would

903
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: that be allowed in this catching release fishery where the

904
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: point is to try to release them and let them

905
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: get caught again. But if you're out there fishing, presumably

906
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: not for those spawners. It's legal to be out there fishing,

907
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: and you're out fishing, not targeting those particular spawners, and

908
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: you're pointing at the dude who is But you're out

909
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: there fishing and you're catching pre spawned fish and you

910
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: scoop up a female that hasn't spawned yet and she

911
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: spews a bunch of eggs out in the net. Who, Like,

912
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: where do you draw the line? Like, if you don't

913
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: think you should be fishing for spawning fish, then advocate

914
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: for closing it all together, right, Like, nobody should be

915
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: out there in that case. It doesn't matter if you

916
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: catch them ten days before they spawn or when they're

917
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: on their bed. I don't I don't think that's wrong. Yeah,

918
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: I mean I think you are. You're correct? Um, yeah,

919
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: why we do not do that? I do not know you.

920
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: I don't know how. We used to target the spring bullheads.

921
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: You know, bullheads like to spawn like spawning cavities, so

922
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: busted up sea walls hollow logs, and then they didn't

923
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: get inside and they turn around so their heads looking

924
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: out to defend the nest. We wouldn't even use a rod.

925
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: You just go around and dingle, wrap some line around

926
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: your hand and dingle a little cleo against his face

927
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: and have him grab it. To the point we sometimes

928
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: dive down snorkeling mass dive down and in dingle it

929
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: in front of me. So that's like right now I'm

930
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: looking at being like, man, that was so unethical, But

931
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: I just don't just not feeling it. Yeah, I'm not

932
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: feeling the guilt. I think if you're gonna try to

933
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: eat the thing, fine, but if not, like I feel

934
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,919
Speaker 1: like there's should It goes back to like that there's

935
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: a reasonable act, reasonable chance of failure when you eliminate

936
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: all those chances of failure by being like, okay, big fish,

937
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: ten inches of water, I can throw a rock in there.

938
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna run away, but it's gonna come right back

939
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: to that the exact same spot. I can catch this fish,

940
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Like one point, is it still fish? But maybe for

941
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: the guy who only gets to fish a few days

942
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 1: a year and he's got to get a lot of

943
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: social media, like you gotta make it happen here. I

944
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: gotta jump in here because I grew up like cal

945
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: did fishing pitching pitchfork and spawn and browns, I mean,

946
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: trout fishing. You know, bass fishing wasn't a thing. And

947
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: maybe it's just regional because you just if I was

948
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: in a lake, right and there's a stream coming into

949
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: that lake, you'll see a hundred fishermen away from that.

950
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: No one will be going and fishing those those fish

951
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: off their beds. It's like it's like, why don't you

952
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: just go So if a fish swims up stream, whyn't

953
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: you just go pick it up and then like go

954
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: take a picture with it? Like is that fishing? Yeah?

955
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's too easy. It takes out. You

956
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: might as well just go like buy your fish or

957
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: go like put them in a swimming pool, because those

958
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: trout aren't Like I don't know, but when I first

959
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 1: started bass fishing, I would never cast at a fish

960
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: that was on its bed. Ever, I didn't know that.

961
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, you just don't do that. We'd

962
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: go get leeches and lay them on the beds. Yeah,

963
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: I mean now I do that because I understand that

964
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: that's how you fish bass. But I'm like, bass fishermen

965
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: must just like have they just don't care enough for

966
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 1: whatever it's different. They're so sturdy. Yeah, you like, trout

967
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: are very fragile. It's like my parents or I grew

968
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: up this small kind of man made private lake and

969
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: we stopped and you could just see that trout die fast.

970
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: It's very hard for trout to exist. And especially when

971
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: you're talking in Montana, you're talking cutthroats or native fish.

972
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: If you see that fish on the bed, you need

973
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,320
Speaker 1: those fish to have their a fighting chance. Now, fishing

974
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: other places like pre spawn, most of the fish that

975
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: are on the bed, they're waiting for those eggs that

976
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: are laid a lot of those eggs have been fertilized,

977
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: so though they already have that fertilization, they're already ready

978
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: to hatch. There that further step from the fish that's

979
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: just out in a deep swimming around. They constantly produce eggs.

980
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: So for the fish that gets in the net, spews

981
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:28,439
Speaker 1: its eggs and you let it back go, she's gonna

982
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: have just so many eggs tomorrow. Yeah, that's my with

983
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: have you have you guys have red shadows on the

984
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: koy cock by the anthropologist Richard Kane Nelson. No, but

985
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: I will say, salmon, they're going to die, so you

986
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: can just scoop them out of the river. I don't

987
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: care that. That's another part of this. It's another part

988
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: of this. I'm gonna throw it. I feel like I've

989
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: been living in a gray area with a million different caveats. Yeah,

990
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: I love to fish for trout. I'm gonna throw. I'm

991
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: gonna throw another twist in there that we're talking about

992
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: last night. So where we live in Wisconsin, we have

993
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: the ribs that dumping in Lake Michigan, which to my knowledge,

994
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 1: by and large, the steel head that returned to those

995
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: rivers do not successfully spawn. And yet from an ethic standpoint,

996
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: many people say, I won't fish those I won't fish

997
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 1: to those fish that are on their reds, even though

998
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: it's an artificially supported fishery. Artificially supported fishery and those

999
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: fish aren't gonna successfully spawn. You've got those kind of

1000
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: artificial fisheries all over the Great Lakes where it's like, yeah, man,

1001
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: we're pound these salmon and steelhead while they spawn, and

1002
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: then the state stocks a little six inch molts and

1003
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: it starts all over again. You know, So what do

1004
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: you think of that? I mean, I just think it's interest.

1005
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. I mean I'm not really seeing

1006
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: a from a from a resource standpoint, like yeah, I mean,

1007
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess you could harassed that fish enough for two

1008
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 1: Remy's point. You know, if you caught it and stressed

1009
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: it out to a point that it maybe it wouldn't

1010
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: return to the lake, then you're you know, you're down

1011
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: the fish, right. But I mean there's like, you know,

1012
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: oftentimes they'll be you know, three or four six fish

1013
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: waiting in the bucket right behind those spawners that guys

1014
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 1: are fishing too, and you know, ten minutes later that

1015
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: fish could be pushing up on a red you know,

1016
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: right near in that same spot. So I just I

1017
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: don't know, I just feel like it's a super gray area.

1018
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: And then to your point, like so all of a sudden,

1019
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: you're a kid, well of course I'll let a kid

1020
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: do that. Well, I mean, just like every little thing

1021
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: changes it, you know, I've seen it, like it gets

1022
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: so bad in some places. We would go up and

1023
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: fish the North Platte River in April when the rainbows

1024
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: are spawning hard, and uh that the local guides there

1025
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: would like if they saw you fishing two spawners, they're

1026
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: just like scream at you. But then those same guys

1027
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: there'd be like a hundred yards stretch of beds, and

1028
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: those same guys will float over top of those fish

1029
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: in their drift boat to knock them down into the

1030
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 1: next hole, and then they'll get out and fish for

1031
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: Why here, here's a kind of here's why I um.

1032
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: I want to get back to Richard Knelson real quick

1033
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 1: in a minute, but here's why I brood over the

1034
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: subject because, um, the foundations. Okay, the foundation of fishing

1035
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: is it was a food acquisition activity, right, everyone accepts that, right.

1036
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: So it's like it comes out of a it comes

1037
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: out of an interplay of life and death. And to

1038
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: watch a segment, to watch a segment of fishing becomes

1039
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: so civilized and so sort of mechanical, where you're um

1040
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: fetishizing introduced non natives. You're establishing this whole other structure

1041
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: of it's like wrong to utilize these resources in a

1042
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: certain way. It's it's no longer like the goal of

1043
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: like with hunting and fishing, the goals used to be

1044
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: that you would study an animal, you would study it

1045
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: and find its vulnerabilities and exploit those vulnerabilities to some extent.

1046
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: And timing issues, like people like to hunt bucks during

1047
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: the rut because they don't act like they do normally.

1048
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: They lose some of their inhibitions, they travel more during

1049
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: the daytime, they're more vulnerable, and that's like a whole

1050
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: culture is built around exploiting this vulnerability. But all of

1051
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: a sudden, to all of stodd get to the spot

1052
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: where where like the segment of the fishing world becomes

1053
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: so divorced from the foundational reality of what it is

1054
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: that it that it sets up this whole other bizarre structure.

1055
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: I don't think it's wrong. I just look at it

1056
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: and I brood over it. It's puzzling to me. Uh.

1057
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: In Shadows on the Coya Kard, which is about the

1058
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: coy Kon people, um Richard K. Nelson spent some time

1059
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 1: with them, and they like to their den dig forbears.

1060
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 1: So their bear hunting method is you kind of get

1061
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: a sense it's handed down generation generation, all the bear

1062
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: denning locations, and knowing that a den doesn't usually get

1063
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,000
Speaker 1: used twice in a row, you kind of like keep

1064
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: a track of what den might have a bear and

1065
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: you go around the late spring and that's how you hunt.

1066
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: You dig bears out. It's unethical to just shoot a

1067
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: bear walking around. Any person can do that. It takes

1068
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,919
Speaker 1: a special man to go in and drag a bear

1069
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: up out of its den and kill it right an

1070
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: So if you went ask most people, if you if

1071
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: I went out to my buddies that I hunt with,

1072
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh yeah, what I do you know,

1073
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: I go down, I just kill him right in the den. Right,

1074
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 1: You'd be skewered as the epitome of unethical behavior. So

1075
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: it is, it's just like in certain cases it's so

1076
00:59:53,880 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: arbitrary and there's so much baggage at play, absolutely, and

1077
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking here, like how hypocritical I am? Right

1078
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: because I will not fish to that fish that I

1079
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: can see that I know is not going to move,

1080
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: because like I'm just like, well, it's a foregone conclusion.

1081
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: But when the water is all murky and muddy, and

1082
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: I've been telling you for years how much I've been

1083
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: enjoying fishing for these smallmouth bass. Well, the reason they're

1084
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: so susceptible to flies a flyer rod is because they've

1085
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: moved up into their spawning area. But the difference is is,

1086
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm fishing in eight feet water that's murky,

1087
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: and I can't see them, and so for some reason,

1088
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: that's the mental difference for me is the you know,

1089
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: my percentage of being successful is in this you know,

1090
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: reasonable area for me of you know, it's still a

1091
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: game of chance and still feels sporting. Everyone has that though.

1092
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve, if you like could have anything in

1093
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: your tackle box, would dynamite be your number one choice?

1094
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: And you'd be like, every time I go fishing, I

1095
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,720
Speaker 1: just throw a stick of jelly in there and blow

1096
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: them out of the water. You wouldn't do that, you know.

1097
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: It's because it's guaranteed. It's like fishing for a trout

1098
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: on its bed is so guaranteed that it's not even sporting.

1099
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: It's like your sportsman because you do it in a

1100
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: certain way, whether it's legal or not. You've got. Everybody

1101
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 1: has their own code of ethics, and it's like, Okay,

1102
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: what might be acceptable to one person isn't acceptable to another.

1103
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: But also what what's the intent behind it? If your

1104
01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: intent was I just want to picture a big fish

1105
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: like dynamite, throw it in there, pull your big fish up,

1106
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: take a picture. You're like, ah, whatever, man, I see

1107
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: what you're saying. To kill that fish. But oh we

1108
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: swam away. He's just in shock. He'll be all right.

1109
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: If I thought the question was that easy, I wouldn't

1110
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: have brought it up. Yeah, it's it's one of the

1111
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't even really know how I feel about it.

1112
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: That's a good point. It's a perfect topic for this

1113
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: time of here. I mean, I really gotta call on

1114
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 1: I think on Monday from a guy buddy of mine

1115
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: in Montana. He's like, yeah, man, when you're coming up

1116
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: land a giant, we're gonna go out there. He's like,

1117
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: I feel kind of bad fishing them on their heads,

1118
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: but everybody else is really Yeah, there's the conversation you

1119
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: just had just had. Yeah, I mean it's that time

1120
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 1: of here. When I live in the Great Lakes, we'd

1121
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: fish steel heads starting Thanksgiving. Sometimes depending on the water levels,

1122
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 1: because so a lot of times you still had to

1123
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 1: shoot up the rivers when the when the rain the

1124
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: fall rains came and still had to push up. But

1125
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 1: the whole time, the whole time, it was all just prelude.

1126
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: It was all prelude to the spawn mm hmm. And

1127
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:47,439
Speaker 1: sitting down there at dawn and it starts to get

1128
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: light enough, you can start to see the reds, the cleaning,

1129
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 1: you know, the spawning beds. You can start to see

1130
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: that golden clean area, and all of a sudden, that

1131
01:02:56,200 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: gray shadow pulls across that. The feeling of like, dude, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1132
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 1: it is odd, right, the feeling you'd get no one's there,

1133
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 1: you got the spot and you see that, just that

1134
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,439
Speaker 1: little shadow come out on there and move away. Oh

1135
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: my god, to have someone come and tell me that

1136
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: I was wrong. I'm not open to it. Uh Okay,

1137
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: moving on real quick, Um, everybody's cool on that. Uh

1138
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: Mark again, Mark Kenyon, quick thing. I'm glad to have

1139
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: you here. Your famous deer, your famous Holy Field deer

1140
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: isn't dead. He's not dead. Okay, So if you listen

1141
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: to wire to hunt, um, you'll if you go back

1142
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: in the back lock. You hear the marks got this

1143
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: whole story of Jason's deer around the same deer he sees.

1144
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 1: He's like basically roommates with him, and but the mysterious

1145
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 1: deer and and and he's had opportunities in the past

1146
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: to get him and didn't get him. Then he thought

1147
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,880
Speaker 1: he was dead. And then what you just found his

1148
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,919
Speaker 1: shed and he's not dead. Yeah. Well, yeah, last time

1149
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: I was doing a podcast with you guys, I was

1150
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: talking about how had my missed opportunity at him and everything,

1151
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 1: And then like a month later, I think I was

1152
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 1: talking to you about Yeah, I heard from a friend

1153
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: of a friend that the neighbor shot a big one.

1154
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: This was the only like quote unquote big buck that

1155
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: I'd seen in the area for like three years, so

1156
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: it had to be that dear. So I thought, oh, yeah,

1157
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 1: he's dead. He disappeared off trail camera. I didn't see

1158
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: him in times a year. You just see him after that.

1159
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of moved on and then randomly

1160
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,919
Speaker 1: mourned his loss. I don't know have more his loss,

1161
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: but I came to terms of the fact that this

1162
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: part of my of my life was done. And and yeah,

1163
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: like late February, I think it was. I just was like,

1164
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: I need to go get some fresh air, take the

1165
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: dog for a walk. So I went out to this

1166
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 1: property just thought. I walked just kind of the outside

1167
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: little edge is just a nice little spot and snow

1168
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: on the ground. Wasn't looking for shed antlers or anything,

1169
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,959
Speaker 1: and just stumbled onto some that was a nice little

1170
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: stand up pines, and I just saw these this crown

1171
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: of time sticking out of the snow. Pull it up

1172
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, he's still around. Never was a

1173
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: little bit. It was exciting, it's awesome. It was a

1174
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 1: little bit and uh it was a little bit bitter

1175
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: sweet because a tiny bit of me was relieved when

1176
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: i'd like come to terms with him being gone, because

1177
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: all right, I can move on like I wanted. I'm

1178
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: gonna go hunt some different places. I'm gona do some

1179
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: different stuff, and I find like, oh ship, I'm back

1180
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: to this again. So now your whole next year's all

1181
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: playing out. You gotta try to find this book. Well,

1182
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm telling myself now is that I'm

1183
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: not gonna do what I did last year. I'm not

1184
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: going to like change all my I'm not gonna put

1185
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: all my eggs in that basket. I would love to

1186
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: finish this four year journey. Now. I love to kill

1187
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: this deer um, but I'm not gonna let it like

1188
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: consume my life. It's not gonna be the end all

1189
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: be all. I'm gonna do a lot of different things. Yeah,

1190
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hut smart. Yeah, I'm still gonna try to

1191
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: target that deer and see what happens. But like you

1192
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 1: said some number months ago, maybe the way it's supposed

1193
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,600
Speaker 1: to end is that I never do. And the story

1194
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 1: and he rides off from the sunset. It was a movie.

1195
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 1: It fills a movie, and you shot at people be

1196
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 1: bummed at the end of the movie. People, I told

1197
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: you it should be like the movie The Golden Seal.

1198
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: Did I tell you this. We're in the end. Then

1199
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: he got mad a chance and he comes out. You

1200
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 1: guys lock eyes, and you can't do it. You just

1201
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: drop your gun or drop your bow and start to weep.

1202
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 1: And the buck and it starts foggy and it's snowing

1203
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: in the buck like looks at you and you guys,

1204
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: and he walks off. That's a movie. But in the end,

1205
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: the buck walks up and you kill him. Dude. No,

1206
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: it's gonna like that movie. People like conclusions, they like

1207
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: things tied up in a nice bow. It needs to

1208
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: be like the end of The Deer Hunter. Yeah yeah,

1209
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,040
Speaker 1: And then you got mad because I hadn't seen it.

1210
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: Have you seen you? You haven't seen the Deer h

1211
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: haven't seen the Deer but I saw pop up somewhere

1212
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 1: like I should watch that. You haven't seen the Deer Hunt?

1213
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: In my bad on that one? Please anyone right here? Yeah, Lestern, Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah,

1214
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: you've seen it. They're hunting it's red stags. Yeah, there's

1215
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 1: so much about that movie. It's a it's a war movie, right,

1216
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: it's about get the right one. So it's it's it's

1217
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: some guys from Pennsylvania, colk and in that Steel country,

1218
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: the Highlands, Scottish stags across in the in the mid

1219
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: It's a real problem in movies when you get to

1220
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: know them too much about wild life, movies really start

1221
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:30,280
Speaker 1: to let you down. The worst movie is The Reverend

1222
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,439
Speaker 1: Velvet Bulls running across the River and wanted burn. Dude.

1223
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 1: It was like that, uh, The Deer Hunter where it

1224
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: winds up it's like we're in Pennsylvania Steel Country. But

1225
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's a Stag's terrible even at night.

1226
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: They show up in the morning. Last Mohicans, it's a

1227
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: red deer. Yeah, they just get you every time. Man.

1228
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: I thought about just offering my services to movies. Yeah,

1229
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,160
Speaker 1: just be a consultant anything that has to do with hunting.

1230
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: It would be a great jobs, you know, just just

1231
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: for I'll do it for free, just from my own

1232
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: viewing bremy. I'll tell you right now that I have

1233
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: done some of that, and they do not care. Don't listen,

1234
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: they do not care. Early on in my TV career,

1235
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, I get it, but we're not making reality.

1236
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: We're not marking in this Two Hunters. Early on in

1237
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: my TV career, I was trying to explain to a

1238
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: producer about the whole problem of not knowing what's going

1239
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: to happen next, and at one point he grew frustrated

1240
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: and he said, well, that's what animal wranglers are for.

1241
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw up my defense for not seeing

1242
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: that movie though, because I do recall now thinking about

1243
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: it back in the day when video stores were like

1244
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: a big thing, you know, and going to get a

1245
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: video with your curtain in the back corner. That's a

1246
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: different story, begging like I passed that one and be

1247
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: on the shelf, and then like, that's the one I

1248
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: want to see The Deer Hunter. I know I'm gonna

1249
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: love that movie, just you know, going off the time.

1250
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 1: And then my parents would be like, I don't think

1251
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: that's a movie for you, and and and then I

1252
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: just I never I never caught back up with it.

1253
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: I never I never revealed that that secret. But yeah,

1254
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 1: it's stunning. I mean, it's what it's a masterpiece. And

1255
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: then check it out. Guys, guys from the you know,

1256
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: it's guys from Pennsylvania. Um. They go off to fight

1257
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: in Vietnam. It's Christopher Walking, Robert de Niro. One of

1258
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: them goes into the Green Bray's. They meet up in

1259
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: a then the whole Russian Roulette. It's just like it's horrible.

1260
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: It is horrible, but there's some there's a reckoning, like

1261
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,680
Speaker 1: what Mark will eventually have with holy Field. There's a

1262
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:42,680
Speaker 1: reckoning in the end where the deer Hunter finds his

1263
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: deer and cannot do it. Oh unrelated note, Mark, what's uh,

1264
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? Guys? Like at vortex. I got

1265
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 1: a whole big, brand new building. Yeah yeah, I mean

1266
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: that's that's the biggest sale. I mean, that's been definitely

1267
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,639
Speaker 1: a long, a long process us and yeah, kudos everybody

1268
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: that that worked on that project. So yeah, we recently

1269
01:10:05,080 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: got moved in, got settled. So now it's not Middleton, Wisconsin,

1270
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 1: not Middleton, YEP. So we're we're we're close, fairly close,

1271
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: I mean not too far away. Um in an adjacent

1272
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: community called Barneveld, and it's that's a really cool town.

1273
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: Smaller town, a little bit, a little bit more rural,

1274
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: so not as many sandwich options, not as many sandwichs options.

1275
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: But it's good man, I think I think it's actually

1276
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: it's but it's forcing me to eat healthier because you know,

1277
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 1: you bring a good lunch every day. So so when

1278
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: we're hanging out there though, and we went to where

1279
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: you guys were manufacturing the what's the line of sculpes

1280
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: you manufacture that you were manufacturing that when we went

1281
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,759
Speaker 1: to look so right now it's the razor, the razor

1282
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 1: h d A, MG, what happened all that stuff? That

1283
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: stuff moves, Yeah, moved, which is a big process in

1284
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: and of itself, just you know, I mean, I mean

1285
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: you hire a company to like take that on, and

1286
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 1: I mean that's what they specialize in, is is moving

1287
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: equipment like that. And I wasn't super close to that process,

1288
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: but I know, I know it was a process. Did

1289
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: they give you a humorous office? Corner office? I probably

1290
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,840
Speaker 1: have the sweetest cube in the world. You got a cubicle? Yeah?

1291
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: Did you look out your window recently? Tell me you

1292
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: saw some birds or is that someone different? Does you?

1293
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: I mean the so yeah, I'm on I'm on the

1294
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: second floor and actually the whole building. I mean, when

1295
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: you guys can buy, I mean you'll see it. I

1296
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: mean it really is, uh you know, an engineering masterpiece.

1297
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: But uh um, yeah, I mean good windows, good light. Yeah,

1298
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: we we we look out on on on the I

1299
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: guess the front of the building or where you would

1300
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:44,439
Speaker 1: enter the building, um backs up to nature Conservancy. So yeah,

1301
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: you got Do you feel it to be unethical if

1302
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: you shot one of those turkeys out of your second

1303
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: story office building? I do, out of the second story

1304
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: office building. Yeah, I'm probably probably not gonna take that shot.

1305
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: But I've been thinking about that though lately, because I

1306
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: mean we've been seeing them there you know, they're they've

1307
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: got some regulars that come by and you get to

1308
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: know him. Not to get to know him, but I

1309
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: mean you see him regularly, and I'm like, man, you know,

1310
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 1: like I just don't think. And again it goes into

1311
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: those like ethics, not ethics, but just like those gray

1312
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: areas of if I was just to be turkey hunting

1313
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: in general and I came upon a turkey, i'd probably

1314
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: shoot that turkey. I don't know, because that that's the

1315
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: thing I have to say. This is like grade school.

1316
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: There's so many people in here. It's like you can

1317
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: be talking over thirteen people know what's going on. Okay,

1318
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,920
Speaker 1: this is what I don't get though. Your thing with

1319
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: the trout on their spawning beds. Why can't you shoot

1320
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 1: a turkey in a tree? Because it's wrong? And I would.

1321
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: That's how if it's legal, I would shoot every turkey different.

1322
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,360
Speaker 1: Here's your turkey hunt. Forget the calls. You sneak up

1323
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:46,639
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the tree in the dark. As

1324
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,679
Speaker 1: soon as shooting our starts. You have a little deeper

1325
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: on your watching, Paul, And when that turkey some double

1326
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: As a young man. As a young man, I attempted

1327
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: something like that it did not work. My questions is,

1328
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: are those turkeys spotting? Why can't you shoot a turkey?

1329
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 1: Is different? Turkey's are majestic, noble. No. Here, this is

1330
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 1: where the whole thing falls apart. Here's what the whole

1331
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,960
Speaker 1: thing falls apart, because I do believe that there is

1332
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: a right and a wrong way to get a turkey. See,

1333
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 1: I just can't go. I just cannot. I will never

1334
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: in my life be talked into that. I used to

1335
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,839
Speaker 1: be a bushwhacker. I used to bushwhack him, and now,

1336
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: um now I'm like, Saul is it, Paul's who is it?

1337
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 1: Who's who's up on their Bible learning? Who got who

1338
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 1: gets blinded? On the way? Who the damask is? Saul

1339
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: or Paul? If not one of you guys knows this

1340
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: gets blind I don't know. Yeah. So I had my

1341
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:55,759
Speaker 1: Damascus moment um where I stopped bushwhacking turkeys. See everyone

1342
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: that goes turkey hunting so hard, I'm like, can the shotgun?

1343
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: I'll show you how hard it is. Listen, Yeah, you

1344
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: feel a different grade turkeys one decoin ducks, right, Yeah,

1345
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: but I like the jump ducks, but it's not as

1346
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: cool as decoy them. It's just when there's so much

1347
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: more stuff and so much more effort to decoin, but

1348
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: you would never shoot a duck on the water. He's like,

1349
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 1: not true. I have been in situations where and there's

1350
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 1: a very good argument you made for it. Where I've

1351
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: been with people who said, listen, uh, I put a

1352
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: lot of time and effort into selecting my spot and

1353
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: camouflaging myself and putting out my decoys and calling. And

1354
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm hunting a high pressure area. Right if I can

1355
01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: do everything so right and trick the birds so much,

1356
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,240
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be like, oh, I only kind

1357
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: of tricked them where he passed over and I shot him.

1358
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,679
Speaker 1: But I went through all the work to fully trick

1359
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: him to the point where he handed in my spread.

1360
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, you're too good. You tricked him

1361
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: too much. You've now forfeited your right to shoot the duck.

1362
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 1: But so some guys will be like, I'm gonna now

1363
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: jump it up, right. So now you're like, if you

1364
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: put yourself in the ducks position, okay, where I say

1365
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 1: to you, brody, I'm gonna kill you now. I could

1366
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: just shoot you in the head right now. I'm gonna

1367
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 1: shoot you in the leg and then run around and

1368
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 1: chase you and beat you over the hell of a gun?

1369
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 1: What are you gonna pick? I'll take the quick one.

1370
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 1: But that's a shooting him on the water. I think

1371
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: it's less effective. You can't break their way exactly. They dive.

1372
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: It's it's almost more you jump them up, so you

1373
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: know you'll kill him because because then he's yeah yeah, now, yeah,

1374
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: I've seen some you know, not that I was. I

1375
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say I was on the trigger, but

1376
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: I have seen I have seen some on the water

1377
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 1: gimmes where everybody's kind of like, how in the world

1378
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: did that not work? Right? They almost have to aim

1379
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,200
Speaker 1: below him. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I'm gonna

1380
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: get back to mark from it though, Um what layout for?

1381
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: Like what's going on with new products and whatnot with

1382
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: you guys? So yeah, man, um really talking about getting

1383
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: a little job about turkeys? Is there anything I should

1384
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: be getting excited about? Man, we got some new buyos

1385
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 1: that are super sweet that'd be good for turkey hunt.

1386
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: Like how does it fit? Like, what is what you

1387
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: got coming out? How does it fit in? I mean

1388
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:23,040
Speaker 1: their new So we just like like three weeks ago

1389
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 1: we released our new I guess our new generation of

1390
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: the Viper HD buyos um. So if anybody's familiar with

1391
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 1: like the original Viper HD series, this is kind of

1392
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 1: a next evolution of those. And I mean, I guess

1393
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: for me, how works in the Turkey hunting is you

1394
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 1: should always have a set of binoculars whatever you're hunting.

1395
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: I had to get you know what the already my

1396
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: body Tommy Yets and it was like, do you bring

1397
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: binoculars turkey hunting? I'm like absolutely, yeah, I've been like

1398
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: the look at stuffing binoculars everything hunting, I'd be annoyed.

1399
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: I mean, and I have forgot my binoculars before, you know,

1400
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: getting out of the house early in the morning, and

1401
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 1: you it's like forgetting your cell phone. It's like, you're

1402
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: it's the cell phone of hunting equipment, even though I

1403
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 1: guess cell phones are kind of part for hunt equipment. Now,

1404
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. You always check in your pocket, Yeah,

1405
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: I bring them with Yeah, you have it, yeah, use it,

1406
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: keep it, keep all the time. So they're that, I mean,

1407
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 1: that's uh, optically there step up form factors awesome. They're

1408
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 1: a little bit more compact, so what are they like

1409
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: when it when it comes to are they more they're

1410
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: they're less money than the Razors. Yeah, so they'd be

1411
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of like a tier tier below the Razor. But

1412
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:30,639
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're solid, biny, they're good. So I'd

1413
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: say that that's the binal that I would suggest even

1414
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: before and now, like a person who has a need

1415
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 1: for kind of who uses their optics in a manner

1416
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: where they kind of have that need for top tier

1417
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: optical performance but maybe don't have the budget to take on,

1418
01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, a top tier binal like the Razor HD.

1419
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 1: You know you can fall back into that Viper HD

1420
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 1: and you're still getting a very very good optic for

1421
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 1: your dollar. Ya. How do you guys when you're picture

1422
01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: and all that man um Like what the do do

1423
01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: do people call up in Uh? Do people call up

1424
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 1: and like express bafflement about what how stuff like why

1425
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,840
Speaker 1: bnoculars and stuff are so expensive? Or they just kind

1426
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 1: of like people just accept now that it's like a

1427
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: thing that costs money. It was difficult, Like I always

1428
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 1: talk about one of our guy books, I wrote about

1429
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: guys that roll up in fifty pickups with Tony Tony

1430
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 1: Doll bronoculars. I'm like, you got it all wrong, bro,

1431
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think that still happens, you know,

1432
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 1: And I think, and we've talked about this before, but

1433
01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it takes somebody having having that

1434
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 1: optics epiphany, you know, when they when they really see

1435
01:18:36,640 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: what it's about, you know, and maybe they use their buddies,

1436
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, really good buyos or something like that, and

1437
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: then you know they're like, oh man, I need to

1438
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: get a set of that. I can tell you my epiphany.

1439
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: Do you know what my epiphany? I think we talked

1440
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 1: about it before, but yeah, well was it. We're hunting

1441
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: on the uh years ago the first time everyone out

1442
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: there were hunt on the north slope of the Brooks Range,

1443
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,720
Speaker 1: and there's a grizzly coming up the other side of

1444
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 1: the river from our camp and I'm looking that a

1445
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 1: thing my binals and that looked at my buddies, binys,

1446
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:07,679
Speaker 1: and he had just he had to spend a season

1447
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 1: pack and moose on Alaska Peninsula. And the guy gave

1448
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: us that of souped up binos, and well, I'm looking

1449
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: at which just like this amorphous brown blob walking up

1450
01:19:20,040 --> 01:19:21,720
Speaker 1: the other riverbank and I looked through his and I

1451
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 1: can see that that there's like the winds blowing and

1452
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: it's forming these little cowlcks and the bear's hair. And

1453
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm watching this like cowlic kind of move around on

1454
01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:37,000
Speaker 1: its rump with the breeze blowing on it, and I'm like,

1455
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 1: I can tell you what I'm gonna be saving up

1456
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 1: some money for. It's like actual binals. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1457
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 1: and and since then now, I'm just like, I'm just

1458
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: addicted to looking through them. Well, And I think that

1459
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: you when you get used to having something like that

1460
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,639
Speaker 1: in the woods, like if you haven't been using binos,

1461
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: if you haven't been carrying them, which I think i'd say,

1462
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 1: by and large, like a lot of people do now, right,

1463
01:19:58,479 --> 01:20:00,920
Speaker 1: but I think maybe it's less common, know even you know,

1464
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 1: fift twenty years ago whatever, um, throwing a very non

1465
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: concrete timeline on that. But um, once you do, I

1466
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 1: think you realize like what you've been missing, and you

1467
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,599
Speaker 1: just yeah, you can't get enough. And then you you

1468
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:17,400
Speaker 1: realize how important they are and what you can do

1469
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: with them, like you can look at stuff, you know,

1470
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: and whether your tree stand hunting and Wisconsin or you know,

1471
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:25,640
Speaker 1: Cuisier hunting in Arizona, man, I mean, that's it's an

1472
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:27,680
Speaker 1: important piece to have, for sure. You hang out with

1473
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: bubbly dog dering. I was hunting with Doug one time

1474
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 1: and we walked up in what he calls the big woods,

1475
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 1: up by the wet spot, which are the two great

1476
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: names for bars um. And we get by the wet

1477
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: spot and I just like, take my binos and scan

1478
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 1: through the big woods and glass up the tippy tippy

1479
01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: top of a turkey fan. Never in a million years

1480
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: would we would have walked in and spooked, glassed up

1481
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,639
Speaker 1: that tippy top of a turkey fan, and we sat

1482
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: down and killed that bird maybe an hour later. Never

1483
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: would have never would have found that turkey. No. I mean, yeah,

1484
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have killed that bird without those binos. No.

1485
01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: I was kind of like when I saw I was

1486
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 1: like shocked by what I was looking at. I think

1487
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,000
Speaker 1: it's like a super important thing. And I mean that's

1488
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just you know a good example of

1489
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: one tactic, right. You know, when you're creeping into that field,

1490
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: you know, stay back glass it, you know, before you

1491
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 1: expose yourself and blow the whole thing out, you know,

1492
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: and you guys obviously saw something, got an opportunity and

1493
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: capitalized on itself. I got sorry the north thing like

1494
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 1: speaking of I'm talking about that there should be a

1495
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 1: bar called the wet Spot, which we discussed before. A

1496
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 1: guy rode in to say, like, if there was a

1497
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 1: bar called the bearded hen, would you go into it?

1498
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 1: And he also was wanted and this is a good question.

1499
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: Would most states you could kill? Like most states, a

1500
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: legal bird is a bearded bird one and one hands

1501
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: is bearded roughly. I think it's like it depends on

1502
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: areas and whatnot. Um, would you shoot a bearded him?

1503
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 1: Ask me that question, would bearded him? I've got one

1504
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,559
Speaker 1: mounted on my wall. Shot a beard, shot a beard

1505
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,400
Speaker 1: end and you knew you were shooting a beard at head.

1506
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 1: That's a good question. It was fall. It's just like

1507
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 1: beard boom, exact same minus the mountain. You shot a

1508
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 1: beard at ye? Really yell now that these guys have

1509
01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 1: broke the ice and I know it's the same thing.

1510
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, I rolled a bearded in in the spring

1511
01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 1: in the spring, but I called this bird in and

1512
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, and it's kind of you know, doing this

1513
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: turkey stuff, and a little beard poked out I'm like,

1514
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 1: oh cool. So you're like it's a female, but it's

1515
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,519
Speaker 1: got a beard, so it's legal, you know. I mean

1516
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,200
Speaker 1: at the time, it was happening pretty quick, but I

1517
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: saw that beard let it rip, and I don't know,

1518
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: I can't say that I necessarily. I mean in the fall,

1519
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit different because there, you

1520
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But yeah, I mean that's that's

1521
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: what happened. See, I think it's wrong. Identified I want

1522
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 1: to clarify I have never shot a turkey out of

1523
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: a roost, but I also don't think it's wrong, just

1524
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 1: in case I'm backling, But I have no quantu You

1525
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: can kill a turkey with attack hammer in your backyard.

1526
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: It's a barn animal. Man. No rules the turkeys. I

1527
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: generally fall under our states whatever the state defines as

1528
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:33,880
Speaker 1: the regulations. Yeah, you know what Eldo Leopold said about

1529
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 1: that no ethics is doing the right thing is watching,

1530
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: even when doing the wrong thing is legal. My god,

1531
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's wrong wrong. It's not wrong wrong.

1532
01:23:48,360 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: But if I was hunting, and I I was hunting

1533
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: spring out spring turkeys, and I and I and a

1534
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 1: hand came in with a beard on it. I would

1535
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: not be able to This is coming from the man

1536
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 1: who would who would pitch for it? Browns out of

1537
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 1: a train. I would not be able to harm that

1538
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: female turkey. I don't believe. Last day of long hunt

1539
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: and there's a bearded hen, I don't know what. Would

1540
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: you go into a bar named the Bearded Hen with

1541
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: a level of uncertainty? Would you bring your wife into

1542
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: a bar called the Bearded Hen? Absolutely not. That's the

1543
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: only way I would go in. Um, all right, Uh,

1544
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,839
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of concluding thoughts, lots of concluding

1545
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: thoughts to go through. Um, we'll start with Brodie. Oh man,

1546
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:47,599
Speaker 1: I'm just excited Turkey Seasons. I'm not there for the opener,

1547
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,439
Speaker 1: but Colorado opened today, so I'm stoked to get back

1548
01:24:50,479 --> 01:24:53,240
Speaker 1: and go chase some turkeys and shoot him out of

1549
01:24:53,240 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: trees with a nail gun. What's what is your what

1550
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 1: is your actual like turkey hunt plan? Well, I got

1551
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: two tags that drew a tag and I gotten over

1552
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: the counter text. So I'll hunt the draw tag first

1553
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: and then let all the guys clear out of the

1554
01:25:09,439 --> 01:25:12,200
Speaker 1: over the counter areas, and then after get after a

1555
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later, Yeah, My brother got both his

1556
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 1: turkeys today just watching said, yeah, he just did a

1557
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: trip and got two turkeys, so he doesn't like stretching

1558
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 1: the hunt out. No, you know, in some places you

1559
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 1: can't do that on the on the same day. You

1560
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,720
Speaker 1: know what I saw the other day in Arkansas, You're

1561
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to shoot Jake's spring season. That's immoral to

1562
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 1: make hands. He can't shoot a Jake. Well, you know,

1563
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 1: we're going to Missouri tomorrow and I've been trying to

1564
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: weigh out in my head. I'm you know, I'm like, okay, yeah,

1565
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold out for long beard. But at what

1566
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 1: point do I, as my brother says, put the Jake

1567
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,799
Speaker 1: breaks on one. Well, that's what's nice about having two tags.

1568
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 1: You can, you know, you can focus on the big

1569
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,559
Speaker 1: bull and take a Jacob. They banned shooting Jake's in

1570
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 1: the spring. I just stumble across it, you know, looking

1571
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,400
Speaker 1: at that, like on Arkansas website and they posted their

1572
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: legs and no Jake's for you listeners, that Jake is

1573
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 1: a it would be a one year old turkey, and

1574
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:22,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't have spurs. He's just got little round nubs

1575
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 1: and his beard is like an inch or too long,

1576
01:26:25,640 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: and I'd have a few more unpunched turkey tags. If

1577
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: it was illegal to kill Jake's I would never shoot

1578
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: a Jake. That's where I draw the line and the

1579
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: roofs with his nail gun. And he's like, yeah, I

1580
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:41,639
Speaker 1: only go see, I only go so low. Here a beard,

1581
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: a bearded hand, that's one thing that's just weird. But Jake,

1582
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,639
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't even have a chance to breed yet. No,

1583
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 1: they don't monsters, his fan his fans not totally tricked out,

1584
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 1: can't do a real rip and gobble. Uh was that

1585
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 1: that's your concluder? Yeah, Mark Kenyon been in the hot seat. Yeah, uh,

1586
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, this is my first b h A rendevo

1587
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: had been at. We haven't really talked about like where

1588
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:09,800
Speaker 1: we're at here and what's going on. But I think

1589
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: my concluding thought was just what an awesome group of

1590
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 1: people that's here at this event. I mean, the energy

1591
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: has been really impressive. The relative youth has been surprising

1592
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: and impressing. That's maybe not surprising, but I think compared

1593
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: to other events you go to within the hunting and

1594
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: fishing world, it's it doesn't look like this. Um So

1595
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: that was encouraging to see and um stoked about. It's

1596
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: just you get a lot of excitement and group like

1597
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: this for the future of what we're doing here in

1598
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 1: the hunting and fishing and conservation world, and the future

1599
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: is bright when you look at this group. Yeah, it's

1600
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: kind of stunning to see pictures of the group and

1601
01:27:44,439 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 1: the age demographic defies the norm. I remember not too

1602
01:27:49,000 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 1: long ago i read that um in Michigan the average

1603
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: age of a person who buys a trapping license goes

1604
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: up exactly one every year, which is old tad still

1605
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: at it. It was harrowing. Can we talk about how

1606
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,440
Speaker 1: you're off the market? Oh yeah, all those ladies locks.

1607
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could wooly mammoth ivory, yeah,

1608
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 1: it's not legal wooly mammoth ivory. Yeah? Is there? I

1609
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 1: don't know, is there now? There's like a big thing

1610
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: they want to band mammoth ivory because it's becoming like

1611
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: replacing elephant ivery. Apparently, you know, a lot of it

1612
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,760
Speaker 1: depends on where it was found private land, public land.

1613
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:43,680
Speaker 1: It's found in private land. It's like, yeah, because yeah,

1614
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of you know what, Brody were you

1615
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: just sent me that article, I think you did you know? Uh,

1616
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: if familiar with the Lacey I guess the Lacey Act.

1617
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: So for a listener who isn't, you're excused if you

1618
01:28:57,320 --> 01:28:59,320
Speaker 1: don't know the Lacy Act. The Lacy Act is one

1619
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,200
Speaker 1: of the things that allow just too. You know, back

1620
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 1: in the early the Lacy Act is one of the

1621
01:29:05,320 --> 01:29:08,080
Speaker 1: things that allowed us to start putting an end to

1622
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 1: market hunting, which was decimating wildlife populations. Is it makes

1623
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: it a federal offense to move like illegally obtained wildlife

1624
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: across state lines. So if states states might have um

1625
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: lacks rules governing wildlife, but the Lacy Act allows you

1626
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 1: to make federal crimes out of moving things around. And

1627
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,560
Speaker 1: someone will just show me an article where this is

1628
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: kind of perplexing. They're using the Lazy Act to go

1629
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 1: after people smuggling dinosaur bones. So here you're taking an

1630
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:45,559
Speaker 1: animal from sixty five million years ago who has a

1631
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:50,799
Speaker 1: fossilized bone and using a contemporary wildlife trafficking law to too.

1632
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 1: It's a novel approach, man, how well it will hold

1633
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: up in court? It's not recognized as wildlife. When I

1634
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 1: called albert a first fishing game, when I found that

1635
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:05,840
Speaker 1: buffalo skull there only a couple of hundred years old.

1636
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: He said, great buffalo is not a recognized game species. Okay, yeah,

1637
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: whatever you want, you find some mineralized like when you

1638
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:22,679
Speaker 1: find a dinosaur fossil, that's right. It's just a weird deal, man,

1639
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,840
Speaker 1: it's a weird deal. But what they're looking for there

1640
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: is where it was applicable is there's a lot of people,

1641
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:32,200
Speaker 1: like right now, everybody goes to Mongolia for dinosaur fossils.

1642
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: It's like the New it would be like you know,

1643
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,120
Speaker 1: it'd be like New Mexico in the nineteen thirties, right,

1644
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: It's just like it's not picked over yet. People used

1645
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 1: to see it in disregard it the same way you know,

1646
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: people used to not pick up Indian arrowheads. And all

1647
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you get enough time and separating the

1648
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: two events and it starts to become something noteworthy. So

1649
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 1: there's people like looting all these and there's not much

1650
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,000
Speaker 1: enforcement in Mongolia. So there's people looting all these dinosaurs

1651
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 1: fossils out of Mongolian bringing them into the US, and

1652
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 1: they're using the Lacey Act to go after people with it,

1653
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,240
Speaker 1: which I thought was an interesting approach. Uh, but aremy

1654
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,679
Speaker 1: your concluder. You're married. I feel different. Yeah, it feels good.

1655
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: I think it should feel different a little bit. You know.

1656
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: I like it. I'm excited about it. It's a great wedding,

1657
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,720
Speaker 1: and uh, it was a lot of fun also. Uh.

1658
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: One of my final thoughts. Everyone will think that I

1659
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,839
Speaker 1: hate on Turkey's mostly it's just for fun, because that's funny.

1660
01:31:29,960 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny. It's like one of those things.

1661
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,600
Speaker 1: It's like I can pick the turkey guy that's a

1662
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,719
Speaker 1: fanatic about turkey and just go after him only because

1663
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I think I've got that turkey hunter distaste from guiding

1664
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 1: him Montanas or guiding elk hunter so much, and these

1665
01:31:46,120 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: guys coming and going, oh yeah olk cutting, No, I've

1666
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 1: I've got it. It's just like turkey hunting. I'm like, nah' sorry,

1667
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: I've been turkey hunting. It's nothing like they make similarities. No,

1668
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,759
Speaker 1: sheep hunting. It's a lot like turkey hunting. I think

1669
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,200
Speaker 1: what I think of turkey hunting is being like a

1670
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:11,880
Speaker 1: little mini elk hunt because it's like it does have

1671
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: this right that there's a male and he has this

1672
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: audacious noise he makes and then there's a female and

1673
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 1: she has sort of a more a more tempered kind

1674
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 1: of calm version that she makes, and you're using the

1675
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: one to bring in the other, and you sit up

1676
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: on a high spot and you're praying to hear a goble,

1677
01:32:30,479 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: just like you're praying to hear a bugle. If I

1678
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,439
Speaker 1: was yeah, it's like saying elk hunting is a lot

1679
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,799
Speaker 1: like well, then turkey hunting is all like pigeon hunting.

1680
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I would never say it, right, I

1681
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: think Yanni does say it. Yeah, so yeah, but I

1682
01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: see where they're coming from. I get it, But it's also,

1683
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: in my mind, two completely different things. And if anybody

1684
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 1: that has said that to me while I've been guiding

1685
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 1: them learned within a few minutes that it was not

1686
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the same. So I'm like, all right, Like a statement

1687
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: of saying the hunting of the two is similar, I

1688
01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: would say that that's pretty false for obvious reasons to anybody.

1689
01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 1: But I think when you start talking about interacting and

1690
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 1: calling animals, there are any other animals that I've hunted

1691
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: anywhere where you call and interact with like that. And

1692
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: I've done a little bit of duck hunting now and

1693
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 1: that's that gender. That's that gender specific. What calling ducks

1694
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: isn't the same thing. But that's what I'm saying. I

1695
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 1: don't think it's the same thing at all. You know,

1696
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,240
Speaker 1: even though a lot of people get into the interaction,

1697
01:33:38,280 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 1: but it's still not like you're not playing the hen

1698
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:43,080
Speaker 1: or the cow and trying to call in a bowl,

1699
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 1: or you could play with the gobbler or another bull

1700
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: and calling the bull. Yeah, terrain similarly to you know,

1701
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:52,559
Speaker 1: to bring the animal over a roll to come see

1702
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, you making that call. I mean, you do

1703
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: those same two exact tactics. He's gonna be like, you know,

1704
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 1: it's a lot like turkey hunt. I used to disagreem,

1705
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 1: but now I agree. Um cal, I don't know. I

1706
01:34:10,120 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 1: mean all all good things. That fish deal man, we've

1707
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 1: been over that a million times, and similar circles on

1708
01:34:18,439 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: fishing fish off their reds and yeah, it said, it's

1709
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: a real interesting one. Um I had something to that. Yeah,

1710
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 1: please do. I didn't have my head set on earlier.

1711
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 1: We didn't have a head set. But it's kind of

1712
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,800
Speaker 1: like the stocked pond. You can make an analogy with

1713
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 1: the stocked pond, right, like fishing the reds all of us.

1714
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 1: Probably that would ethnically like kind of not do it

1715
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,479
Speaker 1: now for trout or just whether it's ectics or just

1716
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 1: kind of like whatever, it's too easy. It's fishing to bucket.

1717
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:50,000
Speaker 1: The first time you went and did it, you're probably like,

1718
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: holy shit, it's fun, you know, like, oh my god,

1719
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, and then this second or third time, it's

1720
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,320
Speaker 1: kind of like going back to this stocked trout pod.

1721
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: The second Yeah, all right. See that's the thing. That's

1722
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,160
Speaker 1: why I feel a little bit of guilt because I

1723
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: remember um hearing about and really like exploring and trying

1724
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: to find the mythical brown trout spawn. Yeah. Yeah, because

1725
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 1: this is before it was a bad thing. I remember

1726
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:23,040
Speaker 1: people like I remember reading in like guide books, you know,

1727
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 1: good areas to go look for spawning browns. Yeah, yeah,

1728
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,600
Speaker 1: bets probably could find. Guy books told you how to

1729
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, blow up Candida Geese off Damns by packing

1730
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,640
Speaker 1: a buckshot around dynamite sticks to you know what I mean,

1731
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:39,240
Speaker 1: build yourself a cannon. What you're gonna need. Uh. So

1732
01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,599
Speaker 1: that's your concluding thought. You just want to touch back

1733
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: on something earlier. Oh, I guess I'll just say thanks.

1734
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 1: I love these discussions. That's good and uh and yeah,

1735
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: I guess also absolutely blown away at how much this

1736
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 1: b h A rendevous has grown. It's crazy. We had

1737
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 1: those seminars this morning, nuts and I asked, h, I

1738
01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:05,760
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta introduce Remy for his Q and a

1739
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:11,639
Speaker 1: UM and be the moderator for him. But asked out

1740
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:17,240
Speaker 1: of the gate, how many people is this year first rendezvous?

1741
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 1: And I mean it had to have been over fifty

1742
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 1: of that rare I thought it was even more like

1743
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,759
Speaker 1: eighty plus percent. There's a there's a lot of people

1744
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,400
Speaker 1: in there. Surprised me. See it's four hundred and that

1745
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,679
Speaker 1: had to be over three I think. Yeah. The first

1746
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:35,040
Speaker 1: one I went to was probably six or seven years

1747
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 1: ago and it was at the fair ground in Missoula,

1748
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,599
Speaker 1: and I gave a talk to like the dinner thing

1749
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 1: and uh most maybe a hundred fifty people. Yeah, yeah,

1750
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,519
Speaker 1: it's so it's growing like crazy. Anik market spot on

1751
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: And I mean the youth is so encouraging to see

1752
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:02,559
Speaker 1: it's the youngest uh um kind of rotten gun anything

1753
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 1: I've been around, so um pretty neat to see hopefully

1754
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 1: make its impacts. I think as far as uh, there's

1755
01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 1: lots of talk today, Um, in the last couple of

1756
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 1: days really about you know, how we move the needle

1757
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:24,680
Speaker 1: as far as new hunter recruitment and hunter retaining retainment,

1758
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: and um, just like like Remy said many times this morning,

1759
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:34,680
Speaker 1: it's like, we gotta every single person is an ambassador

1760
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,560
Speaker 1: for what we love to do, and we gotta do

1761
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 1: a hell of a lot better job putting a better

1762
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: face on it. So, yeah, it's been a cool, uh

1763
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 1: cool couple of days so far. Mr Phelps. Yeah, so

1764
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 1: this is my first b H rendezvous. It's been awesome. Um.

1765
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 1: The only thing that's kind of open my eyes is

1766
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm fairly conservative. I come from a logging town, and

1767
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 1: then you kind of show up with people that maybe

1768
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,760
Speaker 1: you don't see eye to eye with, but we're all

1769
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: here for the one thing that we love. So they're

1770
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,000
Speaker 1: less taxes. You're like, and I'm gonna make a funny joke,

1771
01:38:03,040 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, like the shiny puffy coats. I kind of

1772
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 1: make a joke like at home, I'm the guy in

1773
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: a fleece because that's old school. But yeah, I'm like,

1774
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:10,920
Speaker 1: I've never been around so many hunters in a shiny

1775
01:38:10,920 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: puffy coat before. But it's cool because you can take that.

1776
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 1: And we're all here for the same reason. We all

1777
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: love to recreate on public land. We all love to

1778
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:19,880
Speaker 1: hunt and fish on it. And for all of us

1779
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: to come together, um as a group of people with

1780
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: the one passion and be laser focused on public lands,

1781
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: is it is awesome? Um? Yeah, And I do want

1782
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 1: to do you? Do you feel that this? Can you

1783
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: check this out? No, it's got a first, it's got

1784
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: a first. Let you can check it out like part

1785
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:40,320
Speaker 1: part of my jackets a little shiny. No, No, you're good. No, No,

1786
01:38:40,360 --> 01:38:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. Remy's Remy's a jerk for shooting turkeys

1787
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:49,759
Speaker 1: have a tree? How about bearded hands? So there's two sides,

1788
01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,040
Speaker 1: like and then we didn't you guys didn't even really

1789
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,400
Speaker 1: get into like the genetic mutation side of it, like

1790
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: maybe we should get those things out of here? Are

1791
01:38:55,240 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 1: they bad? I don't know if it's bad. I've just

1792
01:38:57,160 --> 01:38:59,400
Speaker 1: heard that side of the story, like it is a

1793
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: genetic mutation and we should shoot those things. I would

1794
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: say that without genetic mutations, Um, I feel like life

1795
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: would have ended a long time ago. Yeah, I mean,

1796
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying I I wouldn't specifically target one

1797
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: of one came walking through the setup and I knew

1798
01:39:16,680 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 1: it was a bearded him. I would probably let it go.

1799
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 1: But it's it's it's one of those things where you know,

1800
01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pass my my own belief onto something.

1801
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:24,040
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to shoot, it's within the

1802
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:25,839
Speaker 1: state laws. And that kind of gets back to the

1803
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 1: the fishing thing, um, you know where where kel doesn't

1804
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,120
Speaker 1: want to fish over over the edds, but then maybe

1805
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:33,800
Speaker 1: my kid does because that's a different experience, and so

1806
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily say we want to put laws that

1807
01:39:36,320 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: you know, cover that or blanket it for everybody. But

1808
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: then you know he's out there for the sport and

1809
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,280
Speaker 1: and uh, you know the uncertainty of of hooking up

1810
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: one we're like me taking my kid. Maybe I don't

1811
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 1: want to do that, but I want to have the

1812
01:39:46,439 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 1: ability to take my kid and hook up to that fish.

1813
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 1: And so I think there's a and you know, you

1814
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: gotta look at it through that scope of of who

1815
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:57,640
Speaker 1: the person is and um, you know, take take it

1816
01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:01,719
Speaker 1: for what it is. When you were talking earlier about uh,

1817
01:40:01,880 --> 01:40:09,080
Speaker 1: like political spectrums, do you feel that uh, do you

1818
01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: feel that that people right, who who lean politically right,

1819
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,040
Speaker 1: and people lean people who lean politically left. Do you

1820
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: see like in your community that people coalesce around the

1821
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: idea of supporting public lands or in particularly supporting federal

1822
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 1: land management agencies and sort of assisting them and and

1823
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: you know, giving them verbal support and helping them, you know,

1824
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:39,960
Speaker 1: make decisions that allow access. But you know, do do

1825
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: you feel that there's that people are coming around this

1826
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:44,760
Speaker 1: idea on your community or do you feel that it's

1827
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,599
Speaker 1: a divisive issue in your community? In the dead center

1828
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:51,559
Speaker 1: of Warehouser Country, you know, the biggest land management manager

1829
01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 1: in the state of Washington, and so we don't there's

1830
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 1: a very select few of us that have to travel

1831
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: two hours to the east to recreate on you know,

1832
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: some federal lands. Um, we have some state owned ends

1833
01:41:00,200 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: and stuff. But so I would around home, it's more

1834
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,160
Speaker 1: of interest on like how warehouses managing, not necessarily on

1835
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 1: on the you guys are recreating on publicly accessible land

1836
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,240
Speaker 1: that's privately owned. Well, now, as long as you pay

1837
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: three and fifty bucks, you get a key. Yeah. I

1838
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 1: bought a hundred dollar pass for walking. Yeah. Yeah, so

1839
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:21,760
Speaker 1: you can do that. Yeah, I mean everybody everybody finds

1840
01:41:21,800 --> 01:41:25,400
Speaker 1: it important, you know, anything that that, um, you know,

1841
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:28,160
Speaker 1: affects them and their recreation and people are passionate about

1842
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: So we don't get a big push in my area

1843
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,000
Speaker 1: for public lands besides a few of us that that

1844
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, routinely drive two hours eastern saying so when

1845
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: you're when you're hunting local, you're hunting warehouse warehouses or

1846
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 1: privately owned industrial which yeah, and that's like that too,

1847
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,519
Speaker 1: is a significant thing. And I think that that's a

1848
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: I think people look at the public lands debate and

1849
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 1: groups like b h A that really support public lands,

1850
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: and I think other people kind of have this question,

1851
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: like like our friend Doug, who's very involved in private

1852
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:05,080
Speaker 1: land conservation, and he'll kind of feel like he doesn't

1853
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:06,840
Speaker 1: really say this, but I think it's sometimes he feels like,

1854
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,400
Speaker 1: why all of a sudden, all this attention, Like most

1855
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:12,880
Speaker 1: land in the country, especially in these most land's private land.

1856
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: If we're gonna get serious about conservation with it, to

1857
01:42:14,840 --> 01:42:17,400
Speaker 1: pay a lot of attention to private land conservation, that's

1858
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:19,599
Speaker 1: where real con that's where some of the most important

1859
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 1: conservation work. But you know, I would say him, um,

1860
01:42:24,240 --> 01:42:26,280
Speaker 1: and I do say to him, but but there's not

1861
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 1: an emptiness there. I think that we have stuff in

1862
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 1: place to try to do that, like farm bills, CRP programs.

1863
01:42:32,880 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot more dollars per acre that

1864
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 1: go into private land conservation issues. But I think he

1865
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:40,639
Speaker 1: kind of feels that, um, there's a sort of lack

1866
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:45,360
Speaker 1: of sexiness around all that, just like the work of

1867
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:48,439
Speaker 1: doing good wildlife work on private land. And I think

1868
01:42:48,439 --> 01:42:50,840
Speaker 1: like that there's this third area too, which is these

1869
01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: sort of almost like wilderness type places, these big tree

1870
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:59,000
Speaker 1: farms which are the size of they only land the

1871
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 1: size of National four Us that are you know, privately held,

1872
01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:06,080
Speaker 1: and there's a conservation question to have there too, and

1873
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: also like giving them some giving them the credit of

1874
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,680
Speaker 1: allowing a public access program. They're not making tons of

1875
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,479
Speaker 1: money on public access. And I think it comes back

1876
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: and maybe I'm a little off here, but it comes

1877
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:18,679
Speaker 1: back to the reason we're so passionate about public lands

1878
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:20,400
Speaker 1: is all eight of us in this room can end

1879
01:43:20,479 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: up at some wilderness in Colorado hunting, and so we are,

1880
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,880
Speaker 1: um all concerned about the conservation on that piece of

1881
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: public land. Where a private land in Oowa, I have

1882
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: this much interest in it because I'm never gonna get

1883
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 1: a hunt there, even though I do care about the species.

1884
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: So I think it comes back to a little bit

1885
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: of that selfish nature that all of us in this

1886
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: room can take it and not take advantage. But we

1887
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,880
Speaker 1: we have the ability to to recreate on some of

1888
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 1: this public land that potentially holds the animals we want

1889
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: to go pursue where that private land back east and

1890
01:43:49,560 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: it just doesn't hold anything for us, even though we

1891
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: all do care about you know, the the white tail,

1892
01:43:54,439 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: and and you know the stuff that is back there

1893
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 1: that that I may not you know, get the get

1894
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 1: the hunt that private proper. Ever, you know, uh, are

1895
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: you talking about Dog? He's got a funny story. I

1896
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of hesitate to tell this. I don't want to

1897
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:11,080
Speaker 1: get Dog in trouble. Well I'll tell it. So Dougs

1898
01:44:11,080 --> 01:44:14,160
Speaker 1: in a bar and a guy, like a local guy

1899
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,760
Speaker 1: in the bar. It's like, oh, yeah, if you want

1900
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 1: to hunt Doug's place, you gotta be like a celebrity.

1901
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, Doug won't anybody on his place, and dogs

1902
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:25,320
Speaker 1: is half the bar. Goes, I was just hunting Dog's place,

1903
01:44:26,200 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: So that goes. Baby, You don't hunt Doug's place because

1904
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you're an asshole. So there is Yeah, I think there

1905
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: is that, like, sure, you're doing great work, but what's

1906
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:42,599
Speaker 1: the how's it benefit me? Um? Yeah, that's a that's

1907
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 1: a funny thing to bring up, that there is some

1908
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: sort of like a little bit of a selfish nature

1909
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: about public land because you're looking out for your own

1910
01:44:50,200 --> 01:44:52,759
Speaker 1: best interest. I remember saying it before that if someone

1911
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 1: came to me, like like with the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge,

1912
01:44:56,320 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 1: if I had to make a deal. We're talking about

1913
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: this with John Garrick. I think if I had to

1914
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,320
Speaker 1: make a deal with the devil and they said, Okay,

1915
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 1: here's here's the here's the story, Sonny, you never you're

1916
01:45:09,439 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 1: never allowed to step foot back here in exchange for

1917
01:45:13,800 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: that will never drill it, but you'll never see it again,

1918
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: or you can come here all you want. I would

1919
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:20,680
Speaker 1: be like, well, I'll take the I'll take the I

1920
01:45:20,680 --> 01:45:24,519
Speaker 1: don't step foot on it ever again. Deal, Like, let's

1921
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:27,320
Speaker 1: go with that one. So I think that it's not always,

1922
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I think that you wind up having

1923
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: this idea um of that you do have a sense

1924
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:34,439
Speaker 1: of ownership over and whether you're gonna use it or not.

1925
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:36,320
Speaker 1: It feels the same way. That's why I think the

1926
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 1: thing that needs to happen in the conservation world is

1927
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:44,000
Speaker 1: the sense of um and it happens in other factions,

1928
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:47,400
Speaker 1: other cultural factions were an attack on one is an

1929
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:49,560
Speaker 1: attack on all. But I think that a lot of

1930
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,520
Speaker 1: times outdoors may tend to be very sort of myopic

1931
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: and kind of provincial in their view of that. They're

1932
01:45:55,439 --> 01:45:58,639
Speaker 1: really worried about their corner of the world, and it's

1933
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: like harder to picture. Like for me, I've never hunt

1934
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: in Nebraska, so maybe a conservation issue of Nebraska doesn't

1935
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:08,760
Speaker 1: feel as immediate to me, right, But to try to

1936
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:14,440
Speaker 1: foster this conservation sense where where people do they're like, oh,

1937
01:46:14,520 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 1: there's trouble brewing Nebraska. I don't go there, probably never

1938
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:19,800
Speaker 1: will go there, don't have anybodies there. But I'm gonna

1939
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: come in their defense and help him out on this

1940
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 1: this wildlife issue, just because I'm viewing it like an

1941
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,960
Speaker 1: attack on one, his attack on all. But I think

1942
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,840
Speaker 1: it's super frustrating. It's gotta it's not can't only be

1943
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: a direct threat. It has to be an immediate, direct

1944
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:36,280
Speaker 1: threat for the hunting community to get really fired up

1945
01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 1: from what I've seen right now, let me get my

1946
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:48,800
Speaker 1: boots on, uh Mark bourbon concluders. I got a couple one.

1947
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: My level of guilt for shooting the spirited hand is

1948
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,760
Speaker 1: off the charts right now. But I put some thought

1949
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,760
Speaker 1: into it because I was thinking that you got to

1950
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: feeling guilty about the beard and head, well, yeah, because

1951
01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 1: it's I felt bad because well, and actually I'll say this,

1952
01:47:05,240 --> 01:47:07,160
Speaker 1: I kind of felt bad at the moment too. But

1953
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:11,000
Speaker 1: I put some thought into why those rules are in place,

1954
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 1: and I think it applies to the scenario in which

1955
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:21,080
Speaker 1: this incident happened, where I called this burden identified with

1956
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: absolute certainty that it had a beard, Yeah, And I

1957
01:47:25,720 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: made the decision to pull the trigger based on that,

1958
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: And then upon further discovery, I was like, oh, that's

1959
01:47:35,320 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 1: a unique thing. Yeah, but you gotta have some marker,

1960
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 1: Like you can't say male or female because um, you're

1961
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna invite because people are gonna be like, well, I'm

1962
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: gonna what's the best way to indicate male or femaleness?

1963
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:53,599
Speaker 1: And someone might very reasonably say a beard because you're

1964
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 1: not gonna tell him look at the spurs because it's

1965
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 1: hard to see spurns like it's down on its foot

1966
01:47:58,200 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 1: and he's walking through tall grass. So you can have that.

1967
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 1: You can't say like, oh, you gotta wait till he

1968
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 1: fans out in struts and displays because a lot of

1969
01:48:05,240 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: times they don't do that, or he'll gobble. Well maybe

1970
01:48:09,000 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 1: he comes in quiet, so at some point. And then

1971
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:13,519
Speaker 1: there's there's things with the head, like a seasoned turkey

1972
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,800
Speaker 1: hunter will look at the head, especially in the spring,

1973
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 1: and know what they're looking at, but not always so

1974
01:48:20,280 --> 01:48:22,479
Speaker 1: the same way, dear, like it doesn't say well some

1975
01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 1: states people say like a boker male, but oftentimes it's

1976
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,960
Speaker 1: an antlered deer. Because you gotta go, like, what is

1977
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: the identifying feature that we're all going to agree upon?

1978
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:35,560
Speaker 1: So the fact that one and one turkeys is masquerading

1979
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 1: around with the beard, I don't think it's like a

1980
01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 1: it's a legitimate mistake to make. Right. You see, you're

1981
01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 1: sitting there in the woods and here comes to turkey

1982
01:48:43,560 --> 01:48:45,880
Speaker 1: and also there's that beard. It's like game on most people.

1983
01:48:46,240 --> 01:48:48,479
Speaker 1: Well yeah, and that's why I'm I'm I'm almost wondering

1984
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: and I don't know right, But like like you said,

1985
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: it's an identifying feature, so that rule is put in place.

1986
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: So if something like does like that does happen, like

1987
01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 1: that person didn't break the law right because was the

1988
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 1: intent was not there. Like my guess would be that

1989
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 1: if there was no such thing as a bearded hint,

1990
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:11,439
Speaker 1: they'd be like, how you can only shoot you know,

1991
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,840
Speaker 1: So you know that's my that's my And then my

1992
01:49:14,880 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: other concluder, so's tearing you up? Have you pitched forker

1993
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:24,280
Speaker 1: Brown off his spawning bed regularly? And then my other

1994
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 1: concluder is yeah, I mean, and I'll just echo Mark

1995
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:30,400
Speaker 1: and Cow's uh thoughts on the on the b ch

1996
01:49:30,439 --> 01:49:37,360
Speaker 1: a rendezvous, cool event, awesome like minded people. I think

1997
01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: there's um a unique electricity and a unique energy and

1998
01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:47,840
Speaker 1: a strong momentum of of groups that maybe that hunt

1999
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 1: and fish, but maybe cross a few other boundaries. And

2000
01:49:51,160 --> 01:49:53,599
Speaker 1: uh and I think, you know, I think that momentum

2001
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: is gonna hopefully you know, carry through where people whether

2002
01:49:56,240 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 1: you do hunting fish or you know, enjoy public lands

2003
01:49:59,320 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 1: for other recrea sational purposes. You know, we can all

2004
01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: agree on the same thing, that about how important they are.

2005
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:10,360
Speaker 1: Well said, I got two concluders, no kind of one

2006
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:12,479
Speaker 1: who was here when we were talking about all the

2007
01:50:12,520 --> 01:50:18,799
Speaker 1: way different ways they um artificially inseminate and extract semen

2008
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 1: from dogs and whatnot. You were here, yea, yeah, yeah,

2009
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 1: I el Rannie and Doug a guy to listen to that,

2010
01:50:26,479 --> 01:50:29,479
Speaker 1: and wrote in how he uh when he wasn't doing

2011
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:33,840
Speaker 1: animal and physiology studying in a veterinary school, he was

2012
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,720
Speaker 1: talking about their method of horse seeman collection as they

2013
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: would have this, uh he calls it a large wooden

2014
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 1: contraption that the stallion would do his business too. And

2015
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: after it did his business, you would use a They

2016
01:50:47,400 --> 01:50:51,120
Speaker 1: demonstrated how to use it like a little straw, and

2017
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,400
Speaker 1: you just use a little vacuum created with your own

2018
01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: mouth to kind of fill that straw with the semen

2019
01:50:59,120 --> 01:51:01,759
Speaker 1: after he deposed on this, and then you've just packed

2020
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: the straw away for later years. And you say, you

2021
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: only you don't you only oversuck once, then you don't

2022
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,479
Speaker 1: make that you don't make that mistake again. But we

2023
01:51:09,479 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: have gotten a lot. I'm not gonna go through all.

2024
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:12,800
Speaker 1: We had a lot of feedback from people about how

2025
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: to extract semen from various creatures that i'll I'll not

2026
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:17,599
Speaker 1: get into right now, but I wanted to share that

2027
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 1: one quickly. And the only thing I wanted to say

2028
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:23,840
Speaker 1: is um, this is from the bottom of my heart, like, uh, dude,

2029
01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:26,120
Speaker 1: it is so nice to have people like all of

2030
01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:32,880
Speaker 1: you guys to talk to, like honestly man um Yeah,

2031
01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:35,200
Speaker 1: and he sense of loneliness one feels in the world,

2032
01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:37,760
Speaker 1: Like find a group of guys like you so you

2033
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 1: can like talk about this ship and they understand what

2034
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:42,519
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Uh. It makes me feel very happy

2035
01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,519
Speaker 1: and alive. So thank you very much everyone for joining us.

2036
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thanks for having