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Speaker 3: on the show. Is it's great to be with you

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Speaker 3: in the herd. Obviously we're live in places like Los Angeles,

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Speaker 3: and I always laugh at when we post things from

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Speaker 3: my show, The Doug Outleap Show, which follows this show

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Speaker 3: on most Fox Sports radio stations, how people go, like,

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Speaker 3: get another topic, don't talk about Lebron by the way,

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Speaker 3: Mike Colin doing the outside voice thing, right Colin, Anyway,

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Speaker 3: you can accuse me of a lot of things, Chasing

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Speaker 3: Lebron topic is not one of them. Lebron topic is

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Speaker 3: a real topic that's really been discussed. And oh yeah,

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Speaker 3: by the way, it pops up in your algorithm because

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Speaker 3: it's what people were talking about right now. So, hey, kids,

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Speaker 3: if you just got back from a vacation with your

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Speaker 3: weird thing that happened with Lebron James and the Lakers

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Speaker 3: over the past week or so. Right free agency period

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Speaker 3: open now. Lebron James is not a free agent, but

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Speaker 3: could have been. Instead, he opted in to his player option,

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Speaker 3: which you'll pay him roughly fifty three point nine million

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Speaker 3: dollars next season, but after opting in and signing or

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Speaker 3: picking up his player option, his agent Rich Paul released

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Speaker 3: a statement saying, and I'm not going to quote it's

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Speaker 3: not forbatim, but basically it's like, hey, Lebron wants to

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Speaker 3: win a championship, so the Lakers are on a different

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Speaker 3: timeline of winning a championship. So, hey, we just want

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Speaker 3: you to know Lebron wants to win a championship. It

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Speaker 3: insinuates that he, you know, past tense relationship kind of

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Speaker 3: that they can win a championship as currently comprised in LA.

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Speaker 3: So he's open to any possibilities. The number one thing,

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Speaker 3: one on one takeaway you should have. You're like, why

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Speaker 3: should I care? Again? I'm not gonna sit here and

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Speaker 3: argue with you whether or not you think Lebron, Magic Bird, Jordan,

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Speaker 3: There's just you know, this is like the Lebron Jordan

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Speaker 3: argument is like the abortion argument. You know what, have

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Speaker 3: fun trying to win that one on social media? There

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Speaker 3: is no wink. So this doesn't come from a place

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Speaker 3: of I don't think Lebron James is the best player

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Speaker 3: of all time. But it does come from a place

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Speaker 3: of let's just kind of be honest. Is there any

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Speaker 3: at minimum a top ten and more likely a top

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Speaker 3: Top ten, minimum, top five, Okay, how you want your

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Speaker 3: Like I'm not going to push any argument more than it.

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Speaker 3: I know he's one of the two or three best

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Speaker 3: We're just trying to find middle ground there, right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Lebron's stats and say we Lebron's still best player in

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Speaker 3: as we talk about the West, as if all the

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Speaker 3: think with Kevin Durant, it'll make them better. I'm a

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Speaker 3: What two stops close to working in Brooklyn not his

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Speaker 3: declining return on Kevin Durant's it's there's better depth. Denver

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Speaker 3: Lebron and his camp admitting the Lakers can't win as

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Speaker 3: or they're you know, really how it lands on everybody.

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Speaker 3: They're not good enough to win a championship with Lebron

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Speaker 3: for a championship and you have two top fifteen, top

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Speaker 3: be really good and it's not. So what Lebron and

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Speaker 3: everybody else is admitting without knowing their admitting, is Lebron's

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Speaker 3: no longer a top fifteen, top twenty player. He's for

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Speaker 3: doesn't defend with the same energy. He can be hard

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Speaker 3: he's not. If he was, then there's no way in

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Speaker 3: hell anybody would say that the Lakers can't win a championship.

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Speaker 3: including Lebron James. So if we start with that that

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Speaker 3: things have changed, Lebron has to adjust to where he is,

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Speaker 3: but he still wants to play for a championship contender

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Speaker 3: that Lebron is pouting because now they're doing everything to

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Speaker 3: of himself a lot Lebron James. But let's pretend, for

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Speaker 3: at least the radio show and for this argument, that

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Speaker 3: Lebron James is in fact the bigger man. Lebron James

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Speaker 3: has nothing. He just wants to win, wants to be

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Speaker 3: because he knows in his heart he's not nearly as

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Speaker 3: good as he used to be. Well, if that's the case,

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Speaker 3: then what actions has Lebron actually taken to be solely

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Speaker 3: So they moved on earth, heaven and earth to get him.

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Speaker 3: They get him. They went a COVID championship. Okay, but

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Speaker 3: and it's like, Nana, Na, we want Russell Westbrook. You want

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Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook, not Tomrtre Rosen. Sure, let's overpay to get

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Speaker 3: Russell Westbrook. They get Russell Westbrook. The good vibes last

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Speaker 3: all of I don't know, a month, two months, and

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Speaker 3: from Westbrook and then ultimately move on from our coaches.

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Speaker 3: After moving on from from you know, Frank who wins

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Speaker 3: Darvin Ham. Now you go get JJ Reddick. And then

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Speaker 3: Bronni has earned all of this. Then they play Bronnie James,

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Speaker 3: G League team is turned into a Lebron James sponsored

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Speaker 3: I don't think the win disparity is that great. Like

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was. They literally trade away a

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Speaker 3: the potential of Anthony Davis, which still seems to be limitless,

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Speaker 3: only limited by injuries. And of course Anthony Davis, as

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Speaker 3: But the it's not that big of a win. But

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Speaker 3: it's a win, and anybody would argue as such. Right,

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Speaker 3: So what are you actually mad about that the Lakers

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Speaker 3: want to trade with the Mavericks, that the Lakers are

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Speaker 3: going to be relevant for the next decade. I think

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Speaker 3: This comes from teachers, comes from parents, comes to from athletes.

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Speaker 3: I can take your opinion if it's the opposite of mine.

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Speaker 3: What I can't take or your ideas or your thoughts

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Speaker 3: or you know, if you have a plan, you go do.

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Speaker 3: What you can't take is hypocrisy. If you want to

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Speaker 3: play for a championship and you don't think it's in

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Speaker 3: LA and all that's important to you at the end

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Speaker 3: of your career is winning a championship, well then just

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Speaker 3: don't pick up your player option and you're a free

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Speaker 3: you want. Well, then what do we do with Bronnie?

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Speaker 3: Well again, like again, if if Bronnie isn't tied to you,

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Speaker 5: some time with him and just an incredible human and

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Speaker 5: uh just just uh, you know, really happy for him.

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Speaker 5: Three thousand, Like I said, three thousand career strikeouts. The

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Speaker 5: longevity that it takes, the health, the work and and

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Speaker 5: and then the you know, the ability to strike out

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Speaker 5: three thousand batters in the Major League. Some of these records,

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Speaker 5: you know, as far as now that everybody is is

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Speaker 5: his starters only going five innings and uh, you know

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Speaker 5: two times through the order. This this uh sort of

439
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Speaker 5: new new uh look at starting pitching. I'd be hard

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Speaker 5: to uh to think that somebody, you know, that might

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Speaker 5: be one of those numbers that nobody really gets to anymore.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, we're not gonna have another three hundred game winner,

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Speaker 3: right And he's a twentieth pitcher to have three thousand strikeouts,

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Speaker 3: And it seems very unlikely that in the current landscape

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Speaker 3: of baseball we ever get to that again. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean there's there's several of these numbers you start

448
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Speaker 5: looking at, you know, kind of the way that the

449
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Speaker 5: game is trending that we very difficult, uh, you know,

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Speaker 5: for anybody to ever get to again.

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Speaker 3: I did want to ask you about Jacob Misrowski, the

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Speaker 3: he's the six seven rookie with the Brewers who had

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Speaker 3: just been mowing everybody down and then you know, ran

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Speaker 3: into some trouble the other night against the against the Mets.

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Speaker 3: One of the things I love is when and I've

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Speaker 3: asked you about this about people's swings, but also about

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Speaker 3: people's stuff and whether or not it lasts, does does

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Speaker 3: he last? Obviously he just had one game where people

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Speaker 3: Other than that, he's just been completely dominant. But it's

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Speaker 3: very very early. What are your thoughts on the longevity

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Speaker 3: of a Misowski.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that when you look at

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Speaker 5: his stuff, I think, certainly, you know, when you're pitching

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Speaker 5: at the hundred mile an hour and then and then

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Speaker 5: a little bit over your margin, peerr Is is bigger

466
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Speaker 5: than everybody else's. It's very difficult to square up one hundred.

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Speaker 5: And if you looked at the stats, I think, you know,

468
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Speaker 5: they did hit two homers back to back homers. I

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Speaker 5: think off of him, but uh, there's not a lot

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Speaker 5: of homers hit one hundred mine hour plus fastballs, and

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Speaker 5: so that's that's certainly an advantage for a young pitcher

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Speaker 5: that that you know, you can make more mistakes, and

473
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Speaker 5: guys tend to follow them off or or not have,

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Speaker 5: you know, swing through some of the mistakes you make

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Speaker 5: in the middle of the plate when you throw that hard. Really,

476
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Speaker 5: you know, to me, the long jevity of it is

477
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Speaker 5: to see if you know when it's when it's Velo

478
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Speaker 5: comes down a little bit or as he as he

479
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Speaker 5: pitches in a long season in the major leagues and

480
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Speaker 5: in there's days where you don't feel great and you're

481
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Speaker 5: you're not pitching in the hundred mile an hour range,

482
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Speaker 5: and you have to figure out ways to get guys

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Speaker 5: out when you don't have your best fastball. I think

484
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Speaker 5: that's the true test of longevity and whether or not

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Speaker 5: you know you have a chance to be one of

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Speaker 5: the Alzheimer's or you know you certainly have the ability.

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Speaker 5: And you look at his size and body type, is

488
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Speaker 5: is what you would want when you look at at

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Speaker 5: starting pitchers and guys that that really throw the ball

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Speaker 5: with with a lot of velocity, but don't have to

491
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Speaker 5: to do a ton to do that, Like it comes

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Speaker 5: out pretty pretty easy. He's always been a hard thrower,

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Speaker 5: and so uh I again, I think it goes back

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Speaker 5: to how he can execute his off speed pitches and

495
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Speaker 5: then you know whether he can really come up with

496
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Speaker 5: you know, command that when you don't have your best fastball,

497
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Speaker 5: can you still get out? So those are the greats

498
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Speaker 5: the greats can do, is they could figure out different

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Speaker 5: ways to get you out even when there's stuff is

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Speaker 5: is tired or not quite what it usually is. And

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Speaker 5: and so that to me is is the true test

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Speaker 5: of a guy that is is uh is in it,

503
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Speaker 5: you know, going to be a great pitcher for.

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Speaker 3: The long haul. You look at top the home run

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Speaker 3: race in Major League Baseball and there's some some of

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Speaker 3: the usual you know suspects, right, Otan He's there, Judges there,

507
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Speaker 3: Schwarper's there. But then he hat Kyle Rowley who's leading

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Speaker 3: the world in home runs and he's got as many

509
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Speaker 3: now as he has in full seasons in his career.

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Speaker 3: How sustainable is this, especially for a guy who's playing

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Speaker 3: every day as a catcher.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's been very impressive. I think, you know, people,

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Speaker 5: Seattle is not a good home run park, and for

514
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Speaker 5: him to be doing this in Seattle as a catcher,

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's had some amazing home run per at

516
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Speaker 5: bat numbers in previous seasons for a catcher, So I

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Speaker 5: think it is a little bit you know, I think

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Speaker 5: how many he has already is eye opening. But I

519
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Speaker 5: think when you look at, you know, like some of

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Speaker 5: the numbers per at bat that he's had in this past,

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Speaker 5: you know, it's not totally surprising that he's hitting a

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Speaker 5: bunch of home runs. But I do think it's worth

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Speaker 5: recognizing that in Seattle as a catcher, he's doing some

524
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Speaker 5: amazing things. So it'll be interesting to see I think

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Speaker 5: moving forward. Doug was with when you have a guy

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Speaker 5: with this kind of home run prowess, do you do

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Speaker 5: you continue to catch him and uh, you know, in

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Speaker 5: the long term and and and possibly wear him down

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Speaker 5: a little bit, or do you start to look at

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Speaker 5: more of whether he can transition to a few more

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Speaker 5: dhs and first base type situations where you really optimally

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Speaker 5: take advantage of the idea that he could hit fifty

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Speaker 5: homers a year if he's rested and and and and

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Speaker 5: you know, playing more games. So I think that's something

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Speaker 5: to think about. But it's been it's been really cool

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Speaker 5: as far as just to watch and and he obviously

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Speaker 5: has a great nickname when you call somebody the big dumper,

538
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Speaker 5: and he's totally fine with it. I I can get

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Speaker 5: on board with rooting for a guy like that.

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Speaker 3: Big dumpers and all timer big dumpers and all Timer. Well,

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Speaker 3: let's have a happy force. Allways, Levelless, do you talk

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Speaker 3: about baseball and we'll keep our fingers crossed that that

543
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Speaker 3: Ethan doesn't have to doesn't have to be the other

544
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Speaker 3: brother not selected number one overall in a week and

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Speaker 3: a half. We'll tucks him.

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Speaker 2: At Okay, that sounds good. Thanks bugs, all right?

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Speaker 3: That that's Matt Holliday, good friend and a fifteen year

548
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Speaker 3: All Star, fifteen year Major Leaguers, seven time All Star,

549
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Speaker 3: four time Silver slug and World Series champion in eleven

550
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Speaker 3: with the Saint Louis Cardinals. Let's get to Jason Stewart

551
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Speaker 3: with the.

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Speaker 2: News, No No turns. This is the headline news.

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Speaker 7: Hey, Doug, I don't know if you caught this. Last night,

554
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Speaker 7: Donald Trump was doing kind of this victory lap with

555
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Speaker 7: this bill that's about to go through Congress, and he

556
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Speaker 7: was talking to a bunch of Iowa voters I guess

557
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Speaker 7: you would say constituents last night, and he made this

558
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Speaker 7: proclamation about what might be coming to the White House lawn.

559
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Speaker 6: So every one of our National Park battlefields and historic

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Speaker 6: sites are going to have special events in Ota America

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Speaker 6: two fifty and I even think we're gonna have a

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Speaker 6: UFC fight. We're gonna have Does anybody watch UFC The

563
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 6: Great Dana World. We're gonna have a UFC fight. We're

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Speaker 6: gonna have a UFC fight. Think of this on the

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Speaker 6: grounds of the White House. We have a lot of

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Speaker 6: land there. We're gonna build a little We're not Dani's

567
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Speaker 6: gonna do it. Daniel's great, one of a kind. We're

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Speaker 6: gonna have a UFC Fight Championship fight, full fight, like

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty five thousand people, and we're gonna do that

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Speaker 6: as part of two fifty olds. So we're gonna have

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Speaker 6: some incredible events, some professional events, some amateur events, but

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Speaker 6: the UFC Fight's gonna be a big deal too.

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Speaker 7: And now, Doug, I'm not I'm not an MMA guy.

574
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Speaker 7: I know you watch it. It's not for me, but

575
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Speaker 7: I know a lot of listeners here are big fans.

576
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Speaker 7: I get it. I get the appeal, I get the popularity.

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Speaker 7: There just seems something a little bit unsavory about having

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Speaker 7: that sport on the grounds of the White House.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's.

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Speaker 3: Like your own dude, It's like, look, no, you're not

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Speaker 3: You're not wrong again, And this comes from somebody who

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Speaker 3: I mean, we were talking this week right about how

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Speaker 3: bought the fights last weekend and and enjoyed them. But

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Speaker 3: this is it very very much feels like the Roman

585
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Speaker 3: gladiatorial games to celebrate, you know, to celebrate the emperor,

586
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Speaker 3: doesn't it it.

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00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, Caesar returns triumphant from gaul.

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Speaker 2: Let's put the let's put the sleeves.

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Speaker 3: It's obviously and like, look, Dana's Dana's been brilliant, right,

590
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Speaker 3: He's he navigated the the COVID landscape. He's embraced President Trump.

591
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Speaker 3: President Trump goes to he went to the UFC fight.

592
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Speaker 3: I think it was last one. I don't think he

593
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Speaker 3: went to the last one. He went to the previous one.

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Speaker 3: And they all come over and pay homage to them

595
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Speaker 3: or whatever. But like, if we think of Americana, I

596
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Speaker 3: don't think UFC and m M A is Yeah, I

597
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Speaker 3: don't think that that's a miss.

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Speaker 7: I agree with you. Now, the uh what would well?

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Speaker 3: And so I guess the question is what what would be?

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Speaker 3: Does it have to be baseball.

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Speaker 8: At I think baseball pastime. I wouldn't do it on

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Speaker 8: the Rose Garden. I mean, you've got a perfectly good

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Speaker 8: baseball stadium in DC.

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Speaker 3: But it didn't think Yeah, it's like, you know, we

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Speaker 3: have a stadium right around the corner, like we got

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Speaker 3: this thing. I had a friend who worked for him

607
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Speaker 3: in the first in the first administration, and he's like,

608
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Speaker 3: look when he goes out to speak to people. Just

609
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Speaker 3: understand a lot of times it's whoever he talked to

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Speaker 3: last that he likes. He's going to say something that

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Speaker 3: they said, and it just doesn't it feel like, I

612
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Speaker 3: don't know, we might because because if you listen to it,

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Speaker 3: he said we might, and then he's like, I'm not

614
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Speaker 3: going to build it. Data is going to build it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, twenty twenty five thousand seats, like like

616
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Speaker 3: logistics or whatever. It feels like somebody was just spitballing

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Speaker 3: ideas and Data's like, you know, we'd like to do, Like,

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Speaker 3: let's have one out there. Ah, sure sounds good. Don't

619
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Speaker 3: run it by anybody. Don't know logistics have possibilities or

620
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Speaker 3: if it's really a good idea, just sounds like a

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Speaker 3: good idea at the time.

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Speaker 7: Now, the Dallas Mavericks have announced their roster for the

623
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Speaker 7: Summer League basketball that starts the next week. Doug sure, really,

624
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Speaker 7: the only name that we care about the Dallas Mavericks

625
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Speaker 7: Summer League roster is a Cooper Flag. I'm just wondering, uh,

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Speaker 7: since your your other job is a full time Division

627
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Speaker 7: one head coach, like as a coach watching Cooper Flag

628
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Speaker 7: in his initial games against pros. What what are you

629
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Speaker 7: going to be looking for as far as where he's

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Speaker 7: at developmentally and whatnot.

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Speaker 3: I just think how it How how do you use him?

632
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Speaker 3: I think that's the big question, Like what is he

633
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: He's a really good player, but he's not a five?

634
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Speaker 3: You know, is he a wing or is he more

635
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 3: kind of forished? I know we say, hey, it's positionless basketball, like, yeah,

636
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Speaker 3: that sounds good. He's I wonder if there's there's this

637
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: misconception from some people, like, well, he brought the basketball

638
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Speaker 3: up the court. That doesn't make him a point guard,

639
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Speaker 3: right like when the Mavericks went to the finals two

640
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 3: years ago. Kyrie Irving dribbles the ball a lot and

641
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Speaker 3: does make plays, but most people will tell you, like,

642
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 3: Kyrie's not a point guard, Luca is, So how are

643
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Speaker 3: you going to use him? Because I don't think the

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Speaker 3: point guard dominant ball handler thing is his thing at

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Speaker 3: the next level because that comes with making all kinds

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Speaker 3: of reads. It's obviously inorganically going to force him out

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Speaker 3: beyond the three point line. And he's he's unbelievably skilled

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Speaker 3: and talented, but it's it's more playing the four than

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Speaker 3: anything else. Like a ball handling four. So I just

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Speaker 3: think how he's used and where his skill set best

651
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Speaker 3: fits on an NBA floor, and then kindergarten. Youbody, Yet,

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Speaker 3: you don't really see that in the summer league, but

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Speaker 3: you do get a sense of how they think he's

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Speaker 3: going to play, what can best accentuate the positives in

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Speaker 3: his game. That's what I'd be looking for.

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Speaker 7: Most among the summer league debuts that we've seen in

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Speaker 7: the last twenty five years. Right, I remember Lonzo was

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Speaker 7: a big deal. I think because of LeVar ball. Zion's

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Speaker 7: was a big deal. You and I went to Vegas

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Speaker 7: for a Wemby's debut, Like, where do you think this

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Speaker 7: ranks among those as far as hype goes for summer

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Speaker 7: league debuts.

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Speaker 3: You mean with Cooper Flag? Yes, well, because it's supposed

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Speaker 3: to be against Browning and the Lakers, I think it

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Speaker 3: will be massive, And look, Bronni should dominate anytime you

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Speaker 3: track these things. Anyone who plays summer league who's played

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Speaker 3: at all in the NBA the year before usually dominate

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Speaker 3: because you're playing against guys that many of them have

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Speaker 3: never played professional basket before, let alone NBA basketball. But

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Speaker 3: he did have a very enigmatic year even in the

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Speaker 3: G League. I mean some he was really inefficient for

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Speaker 3: about the first half of the year, and he had

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Speaker 3: one decent game in a blowout in the NBA. So

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Speaker 3: I think it's in it's it's will be a top

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Speaker 3: anybody's charts of all time hype because one Cooper Flag

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Speaker 3: is a name everybody knows, everyone knew he'd go number

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Speaker 3: one overall. Then you throw in the Brownie James factor

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Speaker 3: on the other side, and it's the Lakers and Las

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Speaker 3: Vegas is like the second home to Lakers. I think

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Speaker 3: it's right there above that of Wemby and most any

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Speaker 3: other summer league debut that we've seen, Zion Williamson type

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Speaker 3: of debut. That that's why I think it recks and

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Speaker 3: that Chason Stewart news.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by The

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 3: I'm Doug Gollyvillion for Colin coming up in the Herd,

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Speaker 3: a former women's basketball or she's still a women's astual

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Speaker 3: legend weighs in on Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese. That's

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Speaker 3: up coming next.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays

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Speaker 2: and Noone Easter not a im Pacific.

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Speaker 3: Doug Gollievan for Collins, The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio

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Speaker 3: app Jaycetu, and I grew up in southern California, so

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Speaker 3: we know names like Penny Uh, Penny Toldner, who of

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Speaker 3: course was a superstar at Long Beach State, and Cheryl Miller,

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Speaker 3: who is a superstar at USC in women's basketball. Of course,

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Speaker 3: Cheryl has gone on to being a media star. Uh.

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Speaker 3: She was a longtime sideline reporter in the NBA, and

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Speaker 3: now with the WNBA starting to really get some traction,

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Speaker 3: especially with obviously the addition of Kaitlin Clark, there's been

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Speaker 3: lots to talk about Caitlin Clark and the Angel rees rivalry.

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Speaker 3: I heard this. This is Keishawn Johnson's podcast. He had

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Speaker 3: the great Cheryl Miller on the Hall of Famer and

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Speaker 3: she had this to say, the comparison of that rivalry

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Speaker 3: with Magic and Bird.

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Speaker 9: The reason I do it is, and it just because.

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Speaker 3: I'm old school.

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Speaker 9: You had Magic and Larry who competed in college, but

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Speaker 9: it has championships, so Magic wand Larry didn't. It's kind

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Speaker 9: of like the same thing a little with Angel Reese

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Speaker 9: and Caitlin Clark. But the difference is with the men.

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Speaker 9: It's a rivalry, yeah, and it's a great theater. The

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Speaker 9: narrative is always different with the women. We were either petty,

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Speaker 9: we're jealous, envious. You know, we can't just be are

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Speaker 9: two people who just generally don't like you. And that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I don't have to like it.

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Speaker 9: I respect your game and everything else, but we don't

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Speaker 9: have to be cool bay y'all. But it's the narrative

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Speaker 9: by the media that bothers.

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Speaker 3: The narrative with the media. What's the narrative with the media.

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Speaker 3: All we can do is evaluate how these women have

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Speaker 3: acted towards Caitlin Clark, and it appears to be about jealousy,

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Speaker 3: about pettiness, not about competitiveness. Right, that's just a reality

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Speaker 3: to it. I mean, every person I speak with in business,

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Speaker 3: in the business of sports, every person, men and women,

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Speaker 3: they all say, like, I don't understand what's going on

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Speaker 3: with these women. They have the golden ticket. And it's

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Speaker 3: not just that they don't appreciate the golden ticket. They

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Speaker 3: think the golden ticket is supposed to be honored that

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Speaker 3: they found it, you know, that's the crazy part about it. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the Golden Ticket is a reference to Charlie and the

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Speaker 3: chocolate factory, right, I mean, just imagine if Charlie, you

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Speaker 3: know who they is, they had all those people living

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Speaker 3: in one house, like his mom is, his uncle, his grandpa, whatever,

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Speaker 3: and he gets the golden ticket and he's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you're supposed to be honored that me Charlie found you

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Speaker 3: golden ticket. Like yeah, that's not how it works. Not

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Speaker 3: how it works. It could be listen, it could be

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Speaker 3: Magic and Bird. The problem is that Angel Reese right now,

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Speaker 3: and even you know, Caitlin Clark, but not anywhere near

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Speaker 3: the two best players in the game, or especially She's

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Speaker 3: not at that level yet. Nor do people actually care

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Speaker 3: that much about how good you are. It's just about

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Speaker 3: following and Calm Clark they love and Angel Reshia's polarizing.

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Speaker 3: Cut him next. Lamar Jackson's going to try and do

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Speaker 3: something as a leader. I don't know if he's equipped

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Speaker 3: to do. What is it? Find out next in the Herd,