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Speaker 2: I listened to the Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 3: Niggas all lose a mine for wine, for die for pussy.

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Speaker 3: amen in that. I mean the pump fakes on Facebook

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Speaker 3: You over compensate too much for the pussy. You like

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Speaker 3: that's what pussy niggas do. I know the ways of

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Speaker 3: many times she gotta tell you that dick is disposable,

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Speaker 3: your truth. Hey, welcome to the black Out Test podcast.

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Speaker 3: Your host Rod and you can never trivial lives to

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Speaker 3: We are live on a Sunday morning, just barely ready

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Speaker 3: Live like music before, like, play a little music while

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Speaker 3: Hope to see some of these folks out at podcoron

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Speaker 3: this Saturday and Sunday. Yes, I'm actually still looking forward

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's wrong with.

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Speaker 2: Me, right am I rubbing off on you? What is happening?

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Speaker 3: It did look terrible and it was not what I ordered,

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Speaker 2: And it made me think about hashtag all robot lives matter,

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Speaker 3: But even if they create that variety, if they still

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Speaker 3: Like, Oh, there's nothing worse than having a you know,

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. So I don't think that

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Speaker 3: Look for some people, right, can't speak for everybody, like

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Speaker 2: Not I mean, I mean that that's that's now that

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Speaker 3: You won't see a lot of men with a girlfriend

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Speaker 3: We're so far away from sex robots, Like have y'all

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Speaker 2: Trying to make it with personality they like mannequins, like

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Speaker 3: We can truly say like, oh yeah, now that right there.

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Speaker 3: This stuff in movies. There's this little there's this uncanny valley,

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Speaker 4: We haven't got that far yet. We need to get

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Speaker 3: As long as we're at a point where I can

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Speaker 4: It's not.

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Speaker 3: We're not there yet. You're just fucking a sex toy

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Speaker 4: And like I said, it's the reasoning behind it that's

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Speaker 3: And that's why I don't think it'll ever get to

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Speaker 4: Like there's just a bunch.

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Speaker 2: Right, And and I think, and like I said, I'm

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Speaker 2: you know, it could be because I'm horning you. Not

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Speaker 2: you know, they don't always want to put their dick

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Speaker 3: The time, and they make women feel like they undesirable too.

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Speaker 3: So it's like if because then the ego is, well,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to fuck, it's something wrong with you.

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Speaker 4: It ain't the man.

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Speaker 3: The man is supposed to always want to fucking women.

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Speaker 3: Are you know, you're not as good enough of a

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Speaker 2: Right, And it's one of those things too. I think that,

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Speaker 2: Motherfucker's got damn plastic. You know this is plastic, right,

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Speaker 2: It's a plastic thing or rope or something that is

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Speaker 2: a quote unquote substitute. But it would never replace it

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Speaker 2: you know this is like a bubba gum blue, it

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Speaker 3: Like it's well, see the other thing is these I think, like,

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Speaker 3: let's go beyond the what they're saying, because I don't

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Speaker 3: lot of society is conditioned, all of us, basically, not

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Speaker 4: We call it weak, the.

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Speaker 3: Weaker sex, annoying, nagging, like all these negative attributes we

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Speaker 3: decided it's more important to fuck a mannequin with a

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Speaker 3: Like they haven't made it.

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Speaker 4: To that point yet.

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Speaker 3: They don't even have the programming to truly act like

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Speaker 3: It's literally you're looking at that thing, going, I want

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Speaker 3: all the things that these men hate about women, that's it.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, and maybe a deal though can

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Speaker 3: with you know, like that's like I don't know this

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Speaker 2: And it's one of those things to where like for

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Speaker 3: And you may maybe, I mean, if they smart, they'll

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Speaker 3: me tell you, it's basically the male birth control of robots.

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Speaker 3: They never gonna make them fucking man robots. You probably

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Speaker 3: even kind of like you could sell that so much easier,

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Speaker 3: Like here is a thing you can fuck that won't

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Speaker 4: If you know, if you do.

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Speaker 3: Want to have sex with me all the time, even

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Speaker 4: And all this shit like a robot, you know.

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Speaker 3: For a man, I think the difference is not as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Moe mom, think about it. Even even some

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Speaker 4: Well, maybe I'm not even talking.

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Speaker 4: You put it in the closet and then you open

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Speaker 3: Say, hey, come fuck me real quick, let me clean

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying physically, but just there's a situation.

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Speaker 3: There's a hostile environment that you walk into, which we

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Speaker 3: dude that's not, you know, at least to some degree,

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Speaker 3: program to be hostile towards women in femininity in general.

441
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,159
Speaker 3: You know, what's the what's the odds of finding a

442
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:11,199
Speaker 3: man that isn't homophobic, isn't misogynistic, isn't have some of

443
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: that religious patriarchal stuff in that doesn't have even that

444
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 3: in a good place of I want to provide and protect.

445
00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 3: But that also offense works both ways, right, A wild

446
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,399
Speaker 3: works both ways. So even in those situations, you're still

447
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 3: kind of walking into a hostile environment because it's an

448
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,960
Speaker 3: environment that's not you, right, So, and every relationship is

449
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 3: like that. It's how much are you willing to concede?

450
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 3: What is your tolerance level? What what are you gonna

451
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Speaker 3: put up with?

452
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Speaker 4: You know?

453
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Speaker 3: But all that all that to say, like I could

454
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Speaker 3: see just as many benefits.

455
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Speaker 4: But we just don't think of women that way.

456
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 3: Like we would never think of women as what if

457
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: she just wants mind blowing robot sex and not dealing

458
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Speaker 3: with a man.

459
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Speaker 4: To us, that would be like women won't that.

460
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Speaker 3: But you know, that's how fucked up society is and

461
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Speaker 3: how fucked up our environment is, because when we come

462
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: to men, we think of men, and it's really not

463
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Speaker 3: a credit to men.

464
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Speaker 4: This is a this is a detriment. We think of

465
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Speaker 4: men as well.

466
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: They just want to put their dick in something and

467
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: they don't care that they wouldn't have an actual human

468
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Speaker 3: being around them to do shit with and stuff.

469
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Speaker 4: So anyway, you got.

470
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Speaker 2: More, yeah, and no farm. And to me, you know,

471
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Speaker 2: that's a good point that you make, and I think,

472
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Speaker 2: to me, things like that matter. But it's one of

473
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Speaker 2: those things where men treat women like white people treat

474
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Speaker 2: black people. They're always underestimating the buying power of their market.

475
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,320
Speaker 2: They never consider them. They're what they can do profitable,

476
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 2: and they always shocked when they put some shit out

477
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Speaker 2: in the market. It's profitable. Like, oh shit, women buy

478
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 2: stuff too, motherfucker. Yes, women have so much goddamn power,

479
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Speaker 2: even women that are in relationship with men. They make

480
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Speaker 2: like eighty to ninety of the buying decisions in the household,

481
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Speaker 2: from what you eat to the car you drive home. People,

482
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Speaker 2: it maybe doesn't it doesn't make sense, like society quote

483
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Speaker 2: unquote trains people regardless of what the reality of it is.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know you make that's what It leaves

485
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,439
Speaker 3: all these lanes open for other people though, you know,

486
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 3: like I like, look at our podcast.

487
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: We probably if white.

488
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 3: People ever thought about black people, there probably wouldn't have

489
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Speaker 3: been as many people to come listen to us. Correct,

490
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, if if if black if men ever thought

491
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,240
Speaker 3: about women, that wouldn't be you know, as many lanes

492
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Speaker 3: for black women to become entrepreneurs and.

493
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Speaker 4: All this shit.

494
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Speaker 3: Like you look at a lot of black women's businesses.

495
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 3: The reason they succeed is because they super serve the

496
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Speaker 3: audience that is neglected. You know, So somebody gonna come

497
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Speaker 3: out with a fucking a male sex robot that actually

498
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Speaker 3: uh is worth for damn eventually and then and then

499
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Speaker 3: we'll see what happens then because that person probably gonna

500
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Speaker 3: blow up. But all that shit to be all that

501
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Speaker 3: shit to say, like, yeah that the sex robots not

502
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Speaker 3: even there yet. I don't even know why people get

503
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 3: so upset about this. It's not we're not we're not

504
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: close yet. Yeah, when you can walk out like you

505
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: see your real dollar shit, they don't look like people

506
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 3: they don't, like no one ever mistaken them for a person,

507
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 3: like get the fuck out, like we gotta get We

508
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 3: got a long way to go.

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Speaker 4: Man. All right, you have any more random thoughts? All right,

510
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Speaker 4: Well I'll try to throw in a couple.

511
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Speaker 2: Okay.

512
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Speaker 4: Oh, I finally saw Mona last night, y'all.

513
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Speaker 2: It was good.

514
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 3: Saw it on Netflix. It took me a long time

515
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 3: to watch it. I didn't see it when it was

516
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Speaker 3: in the theater because I thought it was a sequel

517
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Speaker 3: to mo Esha. So I was like, I'm gonna skip

518
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Speaker 3: this because I didn't really watch Mosha, so I didn't

519
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 3: have all the the prerequisites, and I, you know, I'm like, damn,

520
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna I'm gonna go to theater.

521
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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna understand it. But I was wrong, you know.

522
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 3: And it turned out the whole story was just a

523
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 3: prequel to that can tuna Chicken of the Sea. It

524
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 3: was the origin story of Chicken of the Sea, Chicken

525
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Speaker 3: of the seas.

526
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 4: So if you guys, you gotta see it. It was

527
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Speaker 4: the cutest.

528
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't have been a cute if I was

529
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 3: on there, it would have been Popey's.

530
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 4: Would have been the name of that chicken by the

531
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 4: next morning. What did they eat? They never ate?

532
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,920
Speaker 3: They was just on the seed for three four days

533
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 3: and never ate. I would have ate the fuck out

534
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 3: of their chicken by day two.

535
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 4: And then, uh, let me see what else.

536
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: Oh, I saw a commercial for General insurance and I

537
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 3: don't know why I never thought this before, but the

538
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 3: funck happens If I get hit by somebody and they

539
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 3: only got the General insurance.

540
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: Your left tie gonna be the only thing you don't

541
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Speaker 2: get money for. That is shure, no cup of shit.

542
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah for nine to nine Centima, What

543
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 2: the fuck is up? Who? What can you cover for

544
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 2: nine to nine cent?

545
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 4: Them off right?

546
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the right left tail light? What the

547
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Speaker 2: fuck is happening here?

548
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 3: Also, Netflix will later I hate the Netflix moved the

549
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: star ratings and now it's just thumbs up thumbs down.

550
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 4: I missed the star ratings.

551
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: Oh, the star ratings matter because that actually tells you

552
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: if the movie is good or thumbs up and thumbs down.

553
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 2: It's not always a good factor if a movie is good,

554
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: because the movie could be good and five stars actually good,

555
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: in four stars good and three and a half star,

556
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 2: like you know what I'm saying, like that matters too.

557
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I don't know. I like, I missed

558
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: the three.

559
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: Fold Stars two stars, like because I you know, I

560
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: might not hate a movie, but now it's just hate

561
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: a like and.

562
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 4: There's a lot of shit that's not I watched it.

563
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm like, and now I gotta leave no rating because

564
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: it's not a thumbs up it is now it's a

565
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: no rating.

566
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 4: So yeah, I missed the Stars.

567
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,200
Speaker 3: I heard what happened was well, part of the thing

568
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 3: I heard one Netflix put out this thing and that

569
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: said they don't care about star ratings. Is if you

570
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: like it, if you don't like it, that's simpler. That's

571
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: what they like to use. The other thing was people

572
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,479
Speaker 3: were the rumor was that Amy Schumer's stand up special

573
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: was getting so many one star ratings and they didn't

574
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: They thought it was maybe trolls or something trolling the Netflix.

575
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: So they was like, we just gonna take off the

576
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 3: star ratings. But I'm like Kingdom, people just put thumbs

577
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 3: down in that worse worse than star ratings. It's just

578
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: a bunch of thumbs down. I don't I don't understand,

579
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, maybe, oh I guess maybe for

580
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 3: the aggregated how many stars is this special? Oh she

581
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: got a two star special? It must be terrible. Maybe

582
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 3: that's what they're trying to avoid. But with thumbs up

583
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,879
Speaker 3: thumbs down, it just recommends it for you or doesn't.

584
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: So maybe they're saying, if you like so and so special,

585
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 3: this is the most similar to that, so you'll like this,

586
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: you know, as opposed to this got three stars and

587
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 3: this got too you know, either way, I don't like it, no.

588
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: And also I don't like it. Maybe it's just me, uh,

589
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: maybe because of racism. What happened to like, if you know,

590
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: black comedian come out with stuff, you have patrolling him

591
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,959
Speaker 2: giving him a star? Nobody ever cared about that.

592
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: I don't know if it ever happened, though a black

593
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 3: commedy like Amy Schumann was in the hot seat for

594
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 3: saying a bunch of wild ship for a while and

595
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 3: there a special came out and I heard it wasn't

596
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 3: that good anyway, and then you got the so that might.

597
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: Have been white people.

598
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 3: He's like, she see this is that double side of

599
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: that white feminism shit. Though, while she gets a spotlight

600
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 3: that a lot of well deserving black and brown women

601
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: won't get. She also gets the focus of some hate

602
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: that a lot of well deserving black and brown women

603
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: won't get. So you know, she'll say some shit that

604
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 3: we and the black community don't give a fuck about.

605
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: So she and it is something maybe we even agree with,

606
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: Like listen, women like when she's like when that article

607
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 3: came out, they basically tried to paint her some type

608
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: of asshole for wanting to get paid more money because

609
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 3: Netflix was paying more to Chappelle and Rock.

610
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 4: She didn't say I want the same or any of

611
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: this shit. She was just like, if y'all at the

612
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 4: price of the brick wet up, I mean, I desire more.

613
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: Imagine how many people went one star, one star, zero stars.

614
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 4: You know that's because she gets a spot like no.

615
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 3: Imagine if Easter Ray said Netflix trying to hire me

616
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: to do a series on Netflix. They paid me low

617
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 3: ball money. In my opinion, I saw they signed say,

618
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: Chris Rocket and Dave Chappelle to the series, and they

619
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: gave them like way more money than me.

620
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 4: I want more money.

621
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: Not the same, not equal. I'm not saying our careers

622
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: are the same anything. I'm just saying, if you're giving

623
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 3: say thirty thousand to them, and y'all only gave me eight.

624
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 4: Well, nigga, I wont fifteen, Like, what the fuck?

625
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: You know?

626
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: I could understand how she could come to that conclusion.

627
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have a problem with it. But imagine when people.

628
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 4: One star bitch, you ain't no, Chris Rock, you ain't no.

629
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: You know?

630
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 4: So I can see how she could.

631
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 3: Become She became a target and fucked up her rating.

632
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: But all that being said, thumbs or thumbs down scenes,

633
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 3: I just missed the stars. I don't care what the

634
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 3: right reason it is. I get the reasoning, but I

635
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:45,719
Speaker 3: missed them stars.

636
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 4: Y'all.

637
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: Anyway, let's get into some other way. I had one

638
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: more random thought, but it's more of a joke. It's

639
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: just a quick joke, and I know y'all gonna hate it,

640
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: but I'm gonna do it anyway. If Jason Whitlock was magician,

641
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: what kind of magic would he do? I?

642
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: Uh wait, do you give up respectability? Politics? All right,

643
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 4: let's move on to the next one. Sorry, I guess.

644
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 2: There is something.

645
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 4: I want to ask.

646
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 3: You that's something that I won't to know.

647
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 5: And tail this question, you have the answer, So tell

648
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 5: me what I want to know.

649
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 4: Do you wanna punk? Do you wanna punk? Won't you

650
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: tell me now? Won't you tell me now? If you

651
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 4: want a phone and let me show your house? If

652
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 4: you wanna phone with me? Do you wanna fund with me?

653
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: All right, lets get into the sad news for LGBTQ people.

654
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 3: Let me get some old ones I hadn't got to you.

655
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: As Facebook blocks the names of trans using drag queens,

656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: this bur Les's performer is fighting back us all the

657
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Speaker 3: way back to June twenty nine. Dotte Lux has been

658
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Speaker 3: called the real Names crusader for helping fight back against

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Speaker 3: Facebook policy that.

660
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Speaker 4: Queer used to say is discriminatory.

661
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 3: Dotty Lux has been called the real name saying we

662
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: already said that. When Caitlyn Beach came out as a

663
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: transgender woman, she decided she would announce the news to

664
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Speaker 3: her entire network of social media Facebook.

665
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 4: However, Facebook wasn' letter.

666
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: In spring twenty fifteen, she said Facebook flag r profile

667
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: she changed it from her legal name to her new name,

668
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: telling her she had to provide documentation to verify her identity. Beach,

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Speaker 3: who had no supporting records at the time, said it

670
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Speaker 3: was important to be able to introduce herself as Caitlin,

671
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: and without that option, she decided to deactivate her account.

672
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 3: Altogether took away that experience of being able to come out,

673
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 3: said Beach, a twenty two year old Michigan student.

674
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Speaker 4: It's it overall stifled me socially.

675
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing about the IDs if you

676
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: live in the state that's a little bit backwards or

677
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 3: they're they're not progressive.

678
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Speaker 4: On those ideas. How am I gonna donna get my

679
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 4: ID change?

680
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: Not to mention that that's costs money and time to

681
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: do that for essentially a virtual platform that you know

682
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 3: doesn't really uh as much as it tries to play it.

683
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, paying promote itself is kind of progressive. You know,

684
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 3: it's a virtual platform that really isn't.

685
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: No, it really isn't. And and Facebook just makes me

686
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: very mad because it's one of those things we kind

687
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: of about it before. It's run by white males, and

688
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 2: white males most of the time are never harassed on

689
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: any platform whatsoever. Or their quote unquote form of harassment

690
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: is when people are like, nigga, you don't fucked up.

691
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 2: That's when everybody, oh God, don't bear her. But you're

692
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: white doing white shit, saying fucked up shit and people

693
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: called you out, and you consider that harassment. That's not

694
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: the same as you're harassing somebody for just existing.

695
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, for for some of the easiest way to

696
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 3: get Facebook to respect that correct name to talk to.

697
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 3: Dottie Lux, the San Francisco Burlerts performer, has made it

698
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: her personal mission to help people restore their accounts with

699
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: their preferred names, acting as a liaison between targeted account

700
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: users and representatives of the social media company. Lux has

701
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: recently posted on her Facebook page offering an assist people

702
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 3: and publicized her efforts in a local blog interview. She

703
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 3: said she has now helped more than two hundred users

704
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: get their names back and has heard from hundreds more

705
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: seeking guidance.

706
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: I watch more and more people I know have their name.

707
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 3: Taken, Lux said in a recent afternoon seated at a

708
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: booth at the stud of popular LGBT bar in San

709
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: Francisco that she co owns as part of a collective.

710
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: It feels violated. Why are we so hell been on

711
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: policing people's identities? The Facebook name controversy, which has been

712
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: brewing for years, is one of many ways the Silicon

713
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: Valley company and struggle to fairly moderate and regulate profiles

714
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: on the platform that now both two billion users.

715
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 4: Following the coordinated protests by drag queens who.

716
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 3: Said they were being kicked off of the platform in

717
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 3: large numbers, Facebook adjusted its real names policies, saying people

718
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: need to use the names they are known by, the

719
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: company contends that it does not allow fake names, and

720
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: the effort to prevent bullying, harassment scams nigga.

721
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: If you don't get the fuck.

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00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: Right right, you're actually contradicting yourself and what you're saying.

723
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 2: And the thing about it is so fucked up.

724
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: Is that a once.

725
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: Because my account got flagged, When your account got flagged,

726
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: there's no process. You basically click. I don't have an

727
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: Emoto dress. You don't give me a phone number the

728
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: call I don't speak to a fucking person. You have

729
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: this algorithm of the system and I don't. And the

730
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: thing is, nobody knows what the magic number is. Is the

731
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: one person? Is it five people, is it twenty five?

732
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: Nobody knows what the magic number is that flags your account.

733
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: And so a lot of times what happens is that

734
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: you have these hate flass people out there, A lot

735
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: of times that don't like you for whatever reason, and

736
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 2: they will purposely go and do this, and then you

737
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: flag my account. All of a sudden, I'm suspended. I

738
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: don't got access, and every time you suspend it, you

739
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: get more and more days. So it's one these things

740
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: where my account is flagged multiple times, but there is

741
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: in a judicial process. I don't get to say my behalf,

742
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: I don't get to come forth, I don't get to

743
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: show any documentation or anything like that. And it's one

744
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: of those things where and my perspective is fucked up

745
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: because most of the time this affects mogulized people. I

746
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: want to know how many white people have you flagged?

747
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: Just regular straight white people have you flagged for having

748
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: having all types of names on their account? Bitter Bob

749
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: Thornton Junior Junior his account not flagged, but somebody in

750
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: the l gt bt Q community of account gets flagged

751
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: because Bitter Bob don't like them.

752
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: Well, I just think it's interesting because.

753
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know what that they might be flagging

754
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 3: white people, Well, they might be fighting flagging white people

755
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 3: for appropriate shit. I mean, Marshall Belkaski gets flagged all

756
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: the time for being a feminist, you know. Uh so,

757
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: so like there's all like they do flag people that

758
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 3: are across the spectrum.

759
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: But it's just.

760
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 3: Basically, is this like perception that white people have a

761
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: fairness that's just unrealistic, Like white people fairness to white

762
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 3: people is Well, if I can't say coon, black people

763
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 3: shouldn't say coon. So I'm gonna ban all black people

764
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: on this site. Anyone used the word coon is banned

765
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: from the site. And it's like, well, it's not the same,

766
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, and you don't talk to a person like

767
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 3: you said, there's an algorithm. Algorithms don't have this nuance.

768
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 3: My problem isn't necessarily the initial band. To be honest,

769
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: I would even understand of having a broad sweeping like

770
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: we banned everybody that does blank blank blank, right. I

771
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: don't understand why there's no review process, and I don't

772
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 3: understand why there's no transparency on the review process, because,

773
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,439
Speaker 3: to be honest, there is a review process. It's clear

774
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 3: that people do view these bands, because I've seen my

775
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 3: friends and me get unbanned quicker than they said they would.

776
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: Your banned for thirty days, ten days later, I'm back.

777
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: They don't tell me why they just go, oh, you know, maybe.

778
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 4: They'll see me a little. We've reviewed this.

779
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 3: And it didn't violate terms, so sorry for the mistake

780
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 3: or whatever, right, And I'm like, oh, okay, so y'all

781
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: did have a human being look at this took them,

782
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: however many days they decided this shouldn't have never happened.

783
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: Why did it happen in the first place. What's gonna

784
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: happen to make this better? And now I get no transparency.

785
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: I don't know the person that reviewed it, I don't

786
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: know the process. I don't know who reported me any

787
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 3: of that stuff.

788
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 2: My biggest thing, that's no way, I guess my biggest

789
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,959
Speaker 2: thing is there's no way. Maybe it's just me. Maybe

790
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm old. Shit. I want to talk to somebody. I

791
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: don't want just some random robot shit. Is there somebody

792
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: that can be that I can talk to, because you

793
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: have to have nuance to this because there's.

794
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: Two billion people on this platform, you know, Like maybe

795
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying you can't talk to somebody,

796
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,439
Speaker 3: but I understand on their side too, why that ain't

797
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: gonna be the process? Like we ain't got like we

798
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: kicking say we kick one hundred thousand people off every.

799
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 4: Day or some shit we ain't got.

800
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 3: We ain't gonna hire a hundred thousand people to talk

801
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 3: to everybody individually about this shit. And see, we just

802
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: think of the righteous people, right, the people that shouldn't

803
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: have been kicked out, the people whose name shouldn't have

804
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 3: been fucked with. We don't think about like KKK, Billy

805
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 3: Bob is gonna call up that too, just as mad

806
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 3: as you what I is a free freedom of speech.

807
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 3: I don't got the right to say they don't want

808
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 3: to talk to that motherfucker like they said up there,

809
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: Like I just unbeand you and quietly say.

810
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: We shouldn't have done it and leave it alone.

811
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: Let Billy Bob ste neither one of these motherfucker's gonna

812
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: be able to reach us, you know, not to mention,

813
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 3: you know, the danger of like maybe some of these

814
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: motherfuckers you kick off the platform. I don't want them

815
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: to know my employees' names whereabout address? You know what

816
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 3: I'm saying, though, But I won't speak to alex in

817
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: the accountant or whatever.

818
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna find this motherfucker threaten you or whatever.

819
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: Like some of the shit is just ugly because it's

820
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: messy and it's people. But my thing is the initial

821
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 3: idea of some of these policies what people consider fair,

822
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 3: it's coming from a place of privilege, so it's already

823
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 3: fucked up. Correct, Well, everyone should use their real names.

824
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: What what exactly is that? Well, using them you're known by?

825
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 3: What exactly is that? That's a very vague term of

826
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 3: known by. You know, people might call me Rod in

827
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 3: real life, but my real name might be rodringamists or

828
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: whatever the fuck people might call me. And if I

829
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: see you my fucking I D you know, and uh,

830
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: I say, people call me Barry, you know, like you

831
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 3: might see my government I V I D and be like, well,

832
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: that's not what it says on here. Well that's what

833
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 3: people call me. I don't know what the fuck to

834
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: tell you, right, you know. So yeah, But and for

835
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 3: the record, this is one of the reasons that Facebook

836
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: has less, not not saying none, less of a harassment

837
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: problem than Twitter. Correct, But instead the harassers use the

838
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 3: built in platform reporting and stuff to harass people, right, So,

839
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: so harassers are going to always exist and there and

840
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 3: there's and there's really no way to keep those people

841
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: off of platforms because, like I said, The difference between

842
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: the dragging and a harassment is literally if you like

843
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 3: the person, correct, Because I've seen people report something that hey,

844
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 3: we don't like this motherfucker, get them off the platform.

845
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: Somebody they like says something that gets, you know, the

846
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: same level of attention.

847
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: It's that's harassment, you know.

848
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: So Facebook has to sit around and figure all this

849
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 3: shit out, and I can see why they would have

850
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 3: problems with it, but anyway, all have to say, if

851
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: they never conceived of this idea of a real name

852
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 3: is what's on your government ID, well, it wouldn't have

853
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 3: been in this problem, right, you know, And shout out

854
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 3: to Dotty Lux for doing something about it.

855
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 4: Once again, marginalized person, a person that's dealing with the

856
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 4: bullshit has to be the person to go and try

857
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 4: to have it fixed.

858
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 3: FEDS are spending three hundred and ninety three thousand, seven

859
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: hundred and ninety dollars studying trans women in Uganda. The

860
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: National Institution Institutes of Health is spending nearly four hundred

861
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: thousand dollars studying trans women in Uganda. New grant worth

862
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: one hundred sixty hundred and ninety six dollars was awarded

863
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 3: just six days into the Trump administration, continuing the project

864
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: that was initially awarded in April twenty sixteen. Leading researchers

865
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: on the project say it's problematic and that there is

866
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: almost a complete lack of research examining the HIV risk

867
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Speaker 3: of sexual minority women and transgender people in the African country.

868
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Speaker 4: HIV AIDS is a major.

869
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 3: Contributor to morbidy, morbidity, and the mortality in Uganda, with

870
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 3: an estimated seven point three percent of adults HIV positive.

871
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 4: Yeah men who have sex with men MSM.

872
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: Bear a particularly high disease burden of thirteen point two

873
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 3: percent living with HIV. Despite this increased risk, there is

874
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: considerable dearth of scientific literature documenting the barriers and facilitators

875
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 3: to behavior change in this vulnerable population. We need to

876
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: better understand the HIV risk and preventative protective factors of

877
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 3: MSM and other sexual minority men in Uganda if we

878
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 3: are to develop effective prevention programming. The Center for Innovative

879
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: Public Health Research and nonprofit group based Infornia that focuses

880
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 3: on technology based research, is conducting the study. One recent

881
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 3: study released by the group found that gay people are

882
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: more likely to be victims of revenge form.

883
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: The almost complete.

884
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 3: Lack of research examining the HIV risk of sexual minority

885
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 3: women and transgender people are also problematic. The grant for

886
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: the Uganda study states, despite the assumptions that sexual minority

887
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: women are not at risk for HIV, compelling sero prevalence

888
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: and HIV risk behavior that suggests otherwise. The researchers argue

889
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: that the few studies of trans gender individuals in Africa

890
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: have incorrectly classified biological men who think they are women

891
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 3: as men in scientific research. Of the handful of studies

892
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 3: that have been published in African transgender or African transgender people,

893
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 3: all but one included these women under the rubric the

894
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: rubric of.

895
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 4: Men who have sex with Men MSM.

896
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 3: Individuals who self identifies women should not be classified in

897
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: research as men.

898
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 4: The researchers added that the lack of.

899
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: Research including transgender men and you gotta is concerning given

900
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: the invisible what invisibility of the sexual engender minority SGM

901
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 3: populations in Uganda, fuel by stigma, discrimination, and anti gay laws.

902
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 3: What little is known is largely based upon data collected

903
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 3: in Kompola.

904
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 4: The goals of the study include.

905
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: A comprehensive survey of HIV risk facing sexual engender minorities

906
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 3: in Uganda to find online and text message interventions for

907
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: this population. Studies also conducting the focused groups to identify

908
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 3: sexual decision making behavior and salient language to query sexual

909
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 3: engender identity. So, yeah, I guess it was getting funded

910
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: under Obama and then it got I guess six days

911
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: into Trump administration. We'll see if that is again. But

912
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: it got some more funded in January twenty eighteen, So

913
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: I wonder if that'll continue.

914
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: Probably not, because I don't know if you covered it

915
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 4: or not. This is no recent all of a.

916
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: Sudden, at the quote unquote Christmas party, all.

917
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: They invite any LGBT or black reporters to the White

918
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 3: House Christmas Party this year.

919
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 4: Here's my problem. Why these white people going?

920
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Like, but we're supposed to

921
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: have unity, we all, we all in this together.

922
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 4: Why would you go?

923
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 3: If I if you know that your black colleague can't go,

924
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 3: your lgbt Q pot colleague can't go, why the fuck

925
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 3: you stepping foot up in there unless you about to

926
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: show the fuck out and be like y'all some some

927
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: bullshit for not inviting people.

928
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: If you're not.

929
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: Gonna if you just gonna go there, drink drinks, eat

930
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,280
Speaker 3: their food and chill like ki ki like everything normal.

931
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: You're part of the problem too, man, you're part of

932
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 3: the problem. It's no other way to look at it,

933
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: in my opinion.

934
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even bigger than this. And I know it's

935
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 2: quote unquote and not the company's responsibility. You want to

936
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: come to be like, you know what, none of y'all

937
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: going what you mean the company, like, oh yeah, wreak

938
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: for companies could be like no, if all of y'all

939
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: can't go, nobody is going, right.

940
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: If I'm if I'm your right, if I'm seeing in

941
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: and you work for me, and they say, uh, the

942
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: black reporter can't go. We invited y'all, white reporter. None

943
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: of y'all going none, And I don't give a fuck

944
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: what happens at that part.

945
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: Better I do your fire.

946
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: Because one thing that this White House thrives off of

947
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 3: is media coverage anyway, right, Like they love when they

948
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: get those lives covered. And there's just like because they

949
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 3: know that the more they can be in the press,

950
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 3: the more they can control the narrative. Because the press

951
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: is designed to work a certain way. If they're designed

952
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: to take the press release and just report it, they're

953
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 3: not really designed to take it and be like, this

954
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: is a line, this is drown this is and then

955
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: when they say it this and they know that the

956
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 3: more shit they get out there, the more confusing it gets,

957
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 3: the more size the ship, the more people fuck up,

958
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 3: so you know, and the more they get the cry.

959
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 4: Fake news and all this shit.

960
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 3: Starve, starve them, motherfuckers, Like fuck your party, you know,

961
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: unless you're gonna show out. I always add an exception

962
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: because it never really happens. But if you're gonna show

963
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 3: your ass, then okay, your white ass can go up

964
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 3: in there and throw a tantrum and our appreciate it.

965
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: And but like, why is my co why are my coworkers,

966
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: Why couldn't they come right?

967
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 3: But if you're not gonna if you just gonna go

968
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: in and act like everything's normal, don't go right. You know,

969
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: you know, even if you are gonna show out, there's

970
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: other places you can show out. But I understand that person, like, well,

971
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 3: I'm about to make a mother fucking spectacle, you know

972
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I can understand that person, But yeah,

973
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: I you know, that's that's that bullshit anyway.

974
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: Right, You're supposed to be my coworker. How can I

975
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 2: how can I look at you the same after this?

976
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 2: How can I look you.

977
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: In your eye?

978
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: And we're supposed to be co working, We're supposed to

979
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 2: work together. And I know this is you quality saying

980
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 2: you don't give a fuck about me. Shit, I already knew,

981
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: and you just confirmed it.

982
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

983
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 3: The number one thing and the press drives off of

984
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: is access. And that's what It's always been a great

985
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 3: bargain between the press and the coverage, you know, And

986
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 3: then now that and now when you have an uh,

987
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 3: unscrupulous administration. You see the difference because the Obama administration

988
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 3: was even if y'all fucking hate us, even if you

989
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: hate me, I can't. I'm not gonna violate the protocol.

990
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you cover me.

991
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: You know.

992
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, and they used to get an

993
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 3: at to when Obama would just be like, I forget

994
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 3: what it, but Obama said they weren't fair to him

995
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,280
Speaker 3: on something.

996
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 4: It was like in eight years nigga one thing.

997
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 3: Anyway, they I remember articles like this motherfucker basically like

998
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: I can't believe he had the audacity to say that

999
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: we shouldn't.

1000
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 4: And I'm like, y'all don't talk like that.

1001
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 3: The trumpet, all right, that motherfucker basically just calls y'all

1002
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: pieces of shit, says the media would contempt in his

1003
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 3: eyes and mouth every day, spit your names out. And

1004
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 3: yet here y'all are begging at the altar for just

1005
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: a little more coverage, Like, y'all ain't shit for that.

1006
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: It won't show your ass because you're afraid that you

1007
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 2: get kicked and kicked out the fucking quarter. They don't

1008
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: want you there in no way.

1009
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 4: Right, Ain't y'all ain't shit for that? Dog?

1010
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean, they want you there if you're gonna do

1011
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 3: what they tell you to, right, you know, you port

1012
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 3: their lives and don't challenge.

1013
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: It, right, But if you start questioning in it and

1014
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 2: going to and be like, hey, according to such such

1015
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: a they'd be like, Nope, you got to go.

1016
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1017
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 3: Sex questions on the UK Census discriminates against transgender people

1018
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: and could be made voluntary. The sex question in the

1019
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 3: next census could be made voluntary at the claims that

1020
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: discriminates against transgender people. The tentative recommendation has been made

1021
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: in the Office in the Office for National Statistics. The

1022
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: move would make the UK one of the first countries

1023
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 3: in the world not to require citizens to tell officials

1024
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 3: what sex they are.

1025
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 4: The proposed change for twenty.

1026
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 3: Twenty one census would leave brick could leave Britain without

1027
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 3: an accurate figure for the number of men and women

1028
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 3: living in the country. Research carried out by the o

1029
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 3: NS found the sex question included in twenty eleven census,

1030
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 3: which requires respondents to choose whether they are male or female,

1031
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 3: was considered to be irrelevant, unacceptable, intrusive, particularly the trans particivants.

1032
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: Due to asking about sex rather than gender.

1033
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 3: The report explore other options, including hybrid questions with the

1034
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 3: addition of an other category, but as thinking about sex

1035
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 3: was again thought to be irrelevant and intrusive, while the

1036
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 3: other option was thought to be homogenes trans homogenized okay,

1037
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: trans people and oh to homogenize trans people.

1038
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 4: Oh they don't use Z they use S over there. Okay,

1039
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 4: got it all right.

1040
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 3: It was thought to homogenize trans people and differentiate them

1041
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,760
Speaker 3: from the rest of society. A third two step option

1042
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 3: with the separate sex and gender identity questions was also

1043
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 3: ruled out. The report said we would tentatively recommend that

1044
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: an unchanged twenty eleven since this question should not be

1045
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 3: mandatory for the benefit of particularly intersex and non binary

1046
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: people who cannot chuse male or females or reflection of

1047
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: the current sex agenda. The authors also recommend changes to

1048
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: better meet the needs of transpondence, such as removing sex

1049
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 3: and adding one or more additional categories for non binary

1050
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 3: intersex people.

1051
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 4: It's weird, like they could just add a couple extra.

1052
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: Boxes and it would just saw the problem, you know,

1053
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: maybe even allow people to kind of write in some stuff.

1054
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, write in, But I also understand the idea just

1055
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 4: take it off.

1056
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 2: I understand that too, But I guess for senses we did.

1057
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 2: You go, hey, we actually need to know these numbers

1058
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: for statistical reasons.

1059
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean that's it's kind of irrelevant if

1060
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: it's not gonna I don't know. I'm glad I'm not

1061
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 3: the person that gotta make that decision.

1062
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's almost a catch twenty two because you

1063
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,919
Speaker 2: use these numbers for funding, You use these numbers from

1064
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: statistics and stats like, you know, so these ain't like

1065
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 2: these numbers just don't have a purpose.

1066
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand, but I mean I I yeah, I understand.

1067
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 3: I just I don't know what really is done with

1068
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 3: those numbers anyway. I know that can't be one hundred

1069
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 3: percent accurate. You know, every person not feeling out the

1070
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: senses and getting it completely correct. So I mean probably

1071
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: most people just throw that shit in the trash or something.

1072
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I can see it.

1073
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 4: I can see them being like that shit, ain't that right?

1074
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: There was like you know what, fuck it, it ain't work up,

1075
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: and like I said, fuck it, it ain't work well.

1076
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 3: Both both categories mean more than they thought they did

1077
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 3: in twenty eleven now, so if they don't have the

1078
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 3: words or the language or to classify stuff, and some

1079
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: shit is just unclassifiable, uncalculable. So you know, you're talking

1080
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 3: about human beings. You know, we don't necessarily fit in

1081
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 3: the neat little boxes. I can understand both sides. I

1082
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: can understand the we need more boxes. I can understand.

1083
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: Fuck it just lead a question off like we you know,

1084
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: we know more than we did before pushing you know.

1085
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 4: Anyway.

1086
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: Last one a new video game, Football Manager twenty eighteen,

1087
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: and football is in football soccer. Yes, uh, they have

1088
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 3: introduced a opportunity in the video game for footballers to

1089
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: come out as gay. The creators of Football Manager twenty

1090
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 3: eighteen said is introducing openly gay footballers to try and

1091
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 3: tackle the problem of homophobia in the sport. The game

1092
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: is less than two weeks from its full release, but

1093
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 3: eager fans playing a demo version have already revealed the

1094
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: fourth thing feature. It won't start out in real players,

1095
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 3: though only fictional players called new Gens can come out. Yeah,

1096
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 3: I can see whatever be problematic. There are the I

1097
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 3: mean the opposite if you would have said like and

1098
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 3: so on, so gay. They are computer generated youngsters who

1099
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 3: replaced retiring players at the end of each cities and

1100
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: so kind of like.

1101
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: If you're in the managing Oh got it.

1102
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: The gay director Miles Jacobson said they took the decision

1103
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 3: because they are gay footballers.

1104
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 4: Oh, there are gay footballers.

1105
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 3: Despite there being no openly gay footballers at the top

1106
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: level of British football. We know from their amount of

1107
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 3: professionals that there has to be players who are gay

1108
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: but feel they don't want to come out. I find

1109
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: it weird that it's still a problem in the sport.

1110
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 3: So we decided to try and show people that coming

1111
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: out isn't a big deal and can be a positive thing.

1112
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 3: I just think it's crazy that in twenty seventeen we're

1113
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 3: in the world where people can't beat on sets.

1114
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,760
Speaker 4: Else there will be limits to the future.

1115
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 3: However, it's footballers from leagues and countries where homosexuality is

1116
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 3: illegal will not be allowed to come out.

1117
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 4: That's just making it real.

1118
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 3: If a player is from a country or is playing

1119
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: in the league of a country where it's illegal to

1120
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 3: come out, they were they would not come out in

1121
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: that country, so they so we tried to be respectful

1122
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: because those people probably would take it offensive in those countries.

1123
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 2: And you don't never know, governments are crazy something about like, oh,

1124
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: let me go and find out who actually this person?

1125
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 4: You know? Well, no, no, no, no, no, that you can't

1126
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 4: out real people.

1127
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so this is only fictional players you create

1128
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: that come in smart. And what they're saying is like, say,

1129
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 3: if it's offensive for people to be openly gay, and

1130
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: I don't know, if there's I don't know, some divide

1131
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: some shit has a team, They're like, yeah, you, then

1132
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: you can't there because you know, the motherfuckers that government

1133
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 3: will probably get mad and I sell the game all

1134
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: kinds of other shit, like we're not gonna like, we're

1135
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: not trying to be offensive, quote unquote, but yeah, which

1136
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 3: mirrors reality, right, because you know, you can still have

1137
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: somebody that just can't come out, you know.

1138
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 4: Because of where they play, where they live.

1139
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,399
Speaker 3: You know, Uh, should that player move to a league

1140
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 3: where homosexuality isn't illegal, it will still not be possible

1141
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: for him to come out. That the way that we

1142
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 3: decide to do is that they are from a country

1143
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: where it.

1144
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: Will be illegal to be gay, then they will not

1145
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 4: come out.

1146
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 3: Because the repercussions for the player if they would come out,

1147
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: would be too severe for us to deal with. In

1148
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: the game, we want to we want to be showing

1149
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: the positive side of this regular negative side.

1150
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, because yeah, I don't.

1151
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 3: Even know how you will put that in the game, Like, yeah,

1152
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 3: you come back to this game, you can come back

1153
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 3: and play in your hometown.

1154
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 4: They gonna boo you and call y'all kind of slurs,

1155
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: And I don't want that in my game.

1156
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: I don't want That's not the purpose of the game, right.

1157
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 4: We want us to get home for your out of soccer.

1158
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 3: Give good examples rather than show the reality that these

1159
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: motherfuckers are fucked up.

1160
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 4: I understand that point.

1161
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, we are trying to

1162
00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 2: sell the product that were video game makers, right, and

1163
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 2: they're trying to provide an example it is I assume

1164
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: to the kids and stuff that play these games.

1165
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 3: Thomas Hill hits Hits wait, hit Selsburger Okay. Thomas Hesselsberger

1166
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: was the first English Premier League player to come out

1167
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 3: as gay, doing so four months after he retired in

1168
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. The German midfielder Aston Villa, Everton and west

1169
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 3: Ham for those teams, said he could not imagine coming

1170
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 3: out while he was still playing.

1171
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 4: That's that is sad.

1172
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 3: All right, man, let's move into some other news as

1173
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 3: we you know who has a lot of LGBT bad

1174
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 3: news over here, So let's just move on to get

1175
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: some of that later in the week. Did y'all know

1176
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 3: Beyonce changes that email address every week?

1177
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1178
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: That makes I mean, I didn't know that, but it

1179
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 2: makes sense.

1180
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 3: Ed Sheeran, who collaborated with the single Lady's Hit Maker

1181
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: on his track perfect Uh, She's doing us track with

1182
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: him and the track with Eminem so far, wasn't a

1183
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 3: fan of the eminem One But I need to go

1184
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: listen to ed Sharlon but has revealed how the pop

1185
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 3: superstar has to change her contact details every once every

1186
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: few days. He said, I have an email address I

1187
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: emailed to get in touch with Beyonce.

1188
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 4: It actually changes every week. So I emailed that and

1189
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 4: we got.

1190
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 3: On the phone and I've been in the work since

1191
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 3: and it's been the work since May. That makes sense, thoughts.

1192
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 3: See what else happened? A dude got kicked off a

1193
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: bus by the police because he has smelly socks and

1194
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 3: it calls the uproar on the pack bus. A man

1195
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 3: in India certainly did not put his best foot forward

1196
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 3: got off on the wrong foot all soon when a

1197
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: pungent smelled from his socks caused a fight to break

1198
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: out with his fellow bus passengers and resulted in his arrest.

1199
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 4: Imaginetting your ass because your socks, think so bad?

1200
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 3: The happless travelers on a bus from the Himalayan state

1201
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 3: of him and Child Pradesh to New Delhi when he

1202
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,240
Speaker 3: decided to remove his shoes and socks.

1203
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 2: Oh something, he didn't.

1204
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 4: How you gonna get nah? See that ain't the deal?

1205
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 4: Mm m mm mm yeah.

1206
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: You could have wait till you got off the bus.

1207
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: So he basically did it. And you know you're tight

1208
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: in the bus, everybody in the same proximity, and all

1209
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 2: I don't wanna smell this, right.

1210
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 4: You might be used to your steak ass feet, but

1211
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 4: we not. So they asked him to throw the shoes.

1212
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: And the socks out or or put him back, to

1213
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 3: put him away, and he said, nah, you deserve that.

1214
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 4: Argument started.

1215
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 3: The bus driver was forced to pull over at the

1216
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: police station and the chief saying Jeeve Gandhi, said he

1217
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: was arrested on charge of cause the post nuisance and

1218
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 3: later released.

1219
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: On bail right cause you basically started a foot ride. Mm.

1220
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 3: He added, the man had threatened other passengers and cause

1221
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: the sturbance in the police station. I feel bad for

1222
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 3: whoever Saley got a share in jail, the man that

1223
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 3: turned out a complaint against his fellow passengers and bus

1224
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 3: crew for harassment. Since then, his socks did not smell, nigga.

1225
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 3: If everybody agreed that your socks smell, they do, that's life.

1226
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 3: Just because you can't smell. It's like the ultimate for

1227
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 3: breeze commercial right here, right. He left the area on

1228
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 3: another bus A day later, they said they didn't want

1229
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 3: to hold on to him too long either.

1230
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 4: Worst day of their life.

1231
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 3: Duh, it's imagine your feet smelling so bad it made

1232
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 3: the news.

1233
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 4: Its imagine.

1234
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

1235
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 3: The private equity firm that saved Arby's is making two

1236
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: point nine billion dollar bet on it could do the

1237
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 3: same for Buffalo Wild Wings. So Buffalo Wild Wings got

1238
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: sold to the parent company of Arbist. Arbist and Buffalo

1239
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: Wild Wings still here in twenty seventeen.

1240
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: You think they're gonna have the meats?

1241
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

1242
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Like I said when we talked about Arbist,

1243
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 2: it ain't ast to talk of my list.

1244
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 3: It takes every one ten minutes to order as because

1245
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 3: all of us get there and spend the first nine

1246
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: minutes being like, how did my life come to this?

1247
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: Come on?

1248
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 4: And then you look at their meaning, like what's on

1249
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: here that anyone would eat?

1250
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: The commercials look so good, And then I get to

1251
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 3: the actual Arveist and I'll be like, what was on

1252
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 3: that commercial that made me drive out here? Because I

1253
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 3: don't remember.

1254
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1255
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 4: It's just the power of being Range's voice the.

1256
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: Meats that it could be anything.

1257
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is ving Range's voice is so fucking powerful

1258
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 3: that we really be sitting.

1259
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 4: Like you be at home, like, oh man, froze beef

1260
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 4: with chatter. Oh, I got to get that.

1261
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: Then you get to RBS, you looking on the sound

1262
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: like this ain't the same without Ving Rings talking to me.

1263
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: That's what they need, guys, that's what they need.

1264
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: When you go through the drive through, Ari's no maotter

1265
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 3: who's behind.

1266
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 4: At the drive through? You need to sound like being rains.

1267
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: You need to be programmed.

1268
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 4: H mm hmm.

1269
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 3: That wood fix everything because then I then you get

1270
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: order real fast.

1271
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 4: You know, if you pull up, welcome to Arbist. Can

1272
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 4: I help you?

1273
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 3: You be like, okay, uh, would you like to try

1274
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: some of our delicious meats? I would like to try

1275
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: some delicious meats? Oh yes, what kind of meats? Right,

1276
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 3: give me a number three. I don't even know what

1277
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: it is, Just give me a number Threeving. But yeah,

1278
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 3: he gotta describe everything.

1279
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 4: That's the that's the key.

1280
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: Yes, descript because the description sounds.

1281
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 3: So good like and he gotta describe it, and the

1282
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 3: way he doing the commercials not like you know, it's

1283
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 3: a roast beef sandwich with cheese, like he gotta be like,

1284
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know what makes roast beef even better? Mo,

1285
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 3: roast beef and some cheese. You're like, oh, yes, niggabist,

1286
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 3: we got meat on food, Like I need that in

1287
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 3: my life.

1288
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: We got three brand new sandwiches out here. You like chicken,

1289
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: we got it. You're like turkey on turkey, We got

1290
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 2: that too.

1291
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 4: But yeah, I other than that, I just can't see

1292
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: myself doing it.

1293
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, on the top of mine when I think of

1294
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: what do I want to eat?

1295
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 3: I might drive out to Arbust today just to look

1296
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: at the men and see, all right, what's wrong with him?

1297
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 4: Why they can't get it together? That's a good question,

1298
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 4: you know.

1299
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 3: Uh, the family gave Cardi bs Bodak Yellow a gospel remix.

1300
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 4: How what uh?

1301
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 3: Carter Cardi B's Bodac Yellow is not on the Concker

1302
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 3: and the Billboard charts, but they can also hold it

1303
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: on as a gospel album. Twitter, using known as Kevin

1304
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 3: Young got self critic, posted a video of his family

1305
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 3: giving the song an amazing.

1306
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 4: Soul for rendition. A sound like question, I'll try to

1307
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 4: hit play on it if I can get it to

1308
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 4: play over here. You know it's been freezing lot.

1309
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm magical bad black people. You can

1310
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:55,959
Speaker 2: tell you anything into a gospel song.

1311
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, see if it's lit. He put the video on. Wow,

1312
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 4: I got forty thousand tweets, so it must be good.

1313
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 4: Here you go. It's a minute long. It's something they're

1314
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: just saying. I don't dance now I make money moves.

1315
01:02:34,040 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 3: Uh oh great, and now it's freezing, so.

1316
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 4: Okay. I mean that's like the only part of that

1317
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 4: song they can do.

1318
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 3: I guess because I was thinking when they said a remix,

1319
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 3: I was like, did they change everything to Jesus?

1320
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 4: Because uh, who's gonna tell them that?

1321
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,840
Speaker 2: Just let sound like the choir singing a chorus like

1322
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: that's it. But I was thinking, this is gonna be something.

1323
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: I was thinking, like the pad of the bell song.

1324
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was all right.

1325
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, No, no, no, this to them.

1326
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: There's not much you can do with that to keep

1327
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 3: it Jesus.

1328
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: Come on, or either the dude who did the remake,

1329
01:03:53,400 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: uh Mexice Waters who did the remake for her, yesing

1330
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 2: like that.

1331
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 3: But even that's well, that's different. That's not a gospel remix.

1332
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 3: But even then, like the source material was different like

1333
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: the Golden Girls theme.

1334
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 4: Dude, they did that. That was dope, but he the.

1335
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 3: Source material is different, like correct, I don't know how

1336
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 3: you're gonna turn a little say little bitch is the

1337
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 3: first line into you know anyway, Let's.

1338
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 4: See what we have to do today. What else we got? Uh?

1339
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: Oh uh, let's move into our other segments.

1340
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 3: All kinds of stuff is happening and we gotta get

1341
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: into it. Let's go to our newest segment that we

1342
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: all hate and love, taking.

1343
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 4: Out the trash. Guys.

1344
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 3: It's time to get your your hefty bags, your full

1345
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 3: for that gallon. You're gonna need them, like leaf bag,

1346
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 3: the bags you use for leaves, the big black ass

1347
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 3: bags the outdoor.

1348
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 2: When you're cutting grass and ship.

1349
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 4: Because it's time take the trash music.

1350
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: Long enough you filled them up by trying.

1351
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 4: Get your gloves. You don't wanna get none of this

1352
01:05:03,560 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 4: on you.

1353
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,280
Speaker 2: Get out there and sweat nice smell like outside.

1354
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, get you some bad club, get your clothes that

1355
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: you don't care about. Okay, it's a lot.

1356
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 2: Uh.

1357
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,919
Speaker 3: Dropping off Woody Allen real quick. They go Matt Lower

1358
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 3: by Matt Lower, talk to you later.

1359
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: Matt Lower speaking.

1360
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 3: Of him Matt Lower and his his wife has allegedly

1361
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: left him and fled the country amid sexual harassment accusations.

1362
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: You know what, baby, I don't blame you, because you

1363
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 2: know how society does.

1364
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 4: It's all her fault.

1365
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 3: She ain't lived with him in five years. Apparently they've

1366
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 3: been living apart for years as that marriage has been

1367
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:53,919
Speaker 3: right with discord because of his womanizing, to the point

1368
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,440
Speaker 3: that he offered her five million dollars to withdraw her

1369
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 3: divorce petition.

1370
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 2: Oh dash Fisher, not baby. Yeah, she mould have been

1371
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: like I was gonna try, but now now.

1372
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because people are probably gonna equate this

1373
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 3: with her. You must have known he was out here

1374
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 3: doing I mean, I think just being a cheating ass

1375
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 3: motherfuckers enough to make you not want to deal with him.

1376
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 4: Yes, you're not.

1377
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: About the other ships that. Oh I know you're fucking

1378
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 2: out this woman.

1379
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 4: But my assumption is this strata broke the camel's back.

1380
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 2: It was consentual. You didn't tell me this was non

1381
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:27,240
Speaker 2: consentral sex.

1382
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 4: What you mean?

1383
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 3: Oh even then though, even then, like this is I

1384
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 3: can see why this would be worse, right, you know

1385
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 3: what I mean?

1386
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 4: Like this is cheating, like you know.

1387
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: Because it was private too, and now it's like public

1388
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 2: calling her. That's why she left the country. People calling

1389
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: you want to do interviews, You probably can't. I don't

1390
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 2: know if they got children. And now that you probably

1391
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: can't walk outs not your door, you know what else

1392
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:49,120
Speaker 2: somebody to pick a microphone in your face. You can't

1393
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: be running your friends, but you're being asked about it.

1394
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 2: It probably would be draining.

1395
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1396
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 3: While most of the country has been shocked by news

1397
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 3: giving a loud, squeaky clean image as a wholesome good guy,

1398
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 3: those who knew the couple say he was a bad husband.

1399
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 3: Loward's history of in fidelity reportedly forced his wife to

1400
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 3: keep close tabs on him when he took trips abroad

1401
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 3: because she didn't trust him. When Roche sought to divorce

1402
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 3: Lower years ago, he offered her five million dollars in

1403
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: cash to remain in the marriage. The image coutures Lower

1404
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 3: made the cash offer because he was a poorly so

1405
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: concern over how divorce might be perceived by his audience.

1406
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: So Lower and Rope met on a blind date in

1407
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven, the same year he took over co

1408
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 3: anchor Today in place of the departing Bryant Gumbel, while

1409
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 3: Lower rose to television start him with his Today Show.

1410
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 3: Gig Roch has been featured in Victoria's Secret catalogs as

1411
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,360
Speaker 3: well as in advertising for J Crew. According to Page six, Lower,

1412
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 3: who was a reputation as a philanderer, Philander.

1413
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 4: Was urged to.

1414
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 3: Settle down to get married by NBC executives, who were

1415
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 3: concerned that his playboy image would hurt the Today Show

1416
01:07:55,600 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: given it its heavily female viewership, Probably because it's interesting

1417
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 3: in that it's interesting that that can be a business

1418
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 3: decision for your company to tell you to do.

1419
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 4: And of course you go get it like.

1420
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: A rental wife kind of thing, you know, like let

1421
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 3: me go get somebody that's a These guys always kind

1422
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 3: of had this assembly line thing of like it's it's

1423
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 3: so weird.

1424
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 4: Holly was just weird like that.

1425
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 3: I don't get it necessarily, but like all these men,

1426
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 3: you know, go get these younger Victoria's Secret model type

1427
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: chicks that they you know, that they met through some

1428
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,439
Speaker 3: people or some shit. It's always some weird Well I'm like, well,

1429
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 3: I guess, I mean, maybe it's love, maybe it's not,

1430
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 3: but you know, it's like I'm paying you to be

1431
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 3: the on my arm at events.

1432
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 4: I'm paying you to be uh you know uh.

1433
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 3: When people look at me and pay, they'll be like,

1434
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 3: that's his wife, What a great man. The same way

1435
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 3: I want them to look at my Ferrari, same way

1436
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: I want them to look at my house. You know,

1437
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 3: people always talk about, well, these men always the same women.

1438
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 3: I think this is why it's like a network. It's

1439
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: not really organic necessarily anyway, I don't know. That's all

1440
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 3: speculation for me far be here, for me to know because.

1441
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: They all look a lot of them look identical.

1442
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, like I said, Leonardo caapriovin dating the

1443
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 3: same Victoria's Secret models for his whole career. Now he

1444
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: getting old, he's still do the same shit. I don't

1445
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 3: you know, it don't sound like something that a person

1446
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: that is looking for a partner or someone they respect would, dude,

1447
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 3: because you know who the fuck is Like, I'm consistently

1448
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: trying to find a twenty year old that you know,

1449
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 3: a twenty one year old or some shit, and I'm fifty.

1450
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 3: Like it's at some point it's just got to be

1451
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 3: like the way I'm badging you buy pants or watch

1452
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 3: or something. I can't I can't assume that you're just

1453
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 3: going out here looking for peers at this point, you know,

1454
01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: at any rate, he like she been securing the bag

1455
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 3: or prepared secure the back for quite some time. And

1456
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:57,839
Speaker 3: it's must gonna cost him more than five million.

1457
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: Dollars, right, that's what he paid too, or he wanted to.

1458
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 4: I don't know that she accepted it, Okay, Okay, that's why.

1459
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:04,840
Speaker 2: He was trying to pay. He was trying to pay

1460
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 2: if she accepted it as a whole nother thing. And

1461
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: even if she did, she could have took the money

1462
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 2: and be like, fuck, you were still getting divorced.

1463
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:11,839
Speaker 4: Didn't get that prenup.

1464
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 3: H Terry Crews is having a hard time dealing ever

1465
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 3: since he came out against that agent who you know,

1466
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 3: sexually assaulted him, groped him at a party in front

1467
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 3: of people, and shit, that agent who was suspended initially

1468
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 3: is already back at work. He was only suspended four months,

1469
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: and media outlets apparently have he's been very transparent, have

1470
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 3: been trying to smear him, which when people say, why

1471
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 3: don't these women come out? He's a man, He's a man,

1472
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 3: and he's dealing with this. So when people say stuff

1473
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,720
Speaker 3: like why don't these women come out?

1474
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 2: Everybody don't want to deal with that?

1475
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody and everybody.

1476
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 3: And he's a star, like he has a name like

1477
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: Terry Crews is up, you know, pretty household, pretty household name.

1478
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,000
Speaker 3: He's fifty four years old, he's still in This happened

1479
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: when he was fifty three. Just by being transparent? What

1480
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 3: did he get an email from Russell Simmons who turns

1481
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: out to be an abuser?

1482
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 4: Hey, I mean alleged abuser.

1483
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 3: Russell Simmons turns out to what was Hey, can you

1484
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 3: just like get this agent a break? Why the break

1485
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 3: that you want your victims to give you is that

1486
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: you know? Do you mean the consequence list break? And

1487
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 3: then this agent is connected to all these stars, Adam Sandler,

1488
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 3: even you know and so and you know, I haven't

1489
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 3: seen Adam Sandler saying thing to support Terry Crews.

1490
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 4: People.

1491
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: These people that know this agent, know that work with

1492
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 3: this agency, could easily come out and be like, fire

1493
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: this motherfucker I want I'm Adam saying I won't come

1494
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 3: back to work with you. I take my business elsewhere.

1495
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: Unacceptable to me. Nobody said shit for Terry Crews, and he's,

1496
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 3: like I said, he's a man who we mostly consider

1497
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 3: men have it differently, have a different level of privilege.

1498
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 3: How would this happen if it happened to a man,

1499
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 3: you know.

1500
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 4: But that's the thing.

1501
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 3: People just see this as abusers versus victims, and it's

1502
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: the same playbook.

1503
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that because I always go back to this,

1504
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 2: he's a black man too, So it's one of these

1505
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 2: things where we can devalue what you say because black

1506
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: also is associated with the too. Yeah you're a male,

1507
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: you know, but you're a black male, so you know,

1508
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 2: nobody's gonna believe you're a black ass.

1509
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's just like I said, there's also just this

1510
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 3: assumption though, because they didn't because it ain't just black men.

1511
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 3: They didn't believe Corey Felman and the motherfuckers either. I

1512
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 3: think like this is one of those times, and I'm

1513
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 3: not saying this anyway, racism exists. This is not denial

1514
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: a race, but when it comes to this discussion, very

1515
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: often it is just framed as abuser versus victim, and

1516
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,640
Speaker 3: we have a playbook for right.

1517
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I feel you because it's that couldn't draw

1518
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,680
Speaker 2: on some situations. Yes, you have little other things that

1519
01:13:06,760 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: play factor, but it's one of the things where you're right,

1520
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: it's like something happens, it's a victim, it's an abuser.

1521
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: The same tactics are used regardless on who his own

1522
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 2: either side, right, you know?

1523
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he got an email from Radar Online that was

1524
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 3: gonna flow a fake article about him. He says it

1525
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 3: was comment requests for Radar Online regarding Terry Crews, to

1526
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 3: whom we make a certain Radar Line in tends to

1527
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: publish a story today reporting Terry Crews hired two prostitutes,

1528
01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 3: one of African descent and one of Caucasian on June sixteen,

1529
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:39,759
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen, while staying at a hotel Hermitage Monte Carlo, Monico.

1530
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 3: Mister Cruz chose the two prostitutes from a website euro

1531
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 3: escort Girls, and paid two thy eight hundred yen for

1532
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 3: their the end, I think I don't know some maybe

1533
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,280
Speaker 3: it's pounds for their company. Please provide comment by six

1534
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 3: pm Eastern stand the time, and he says, a day

1535
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 3: after my Good Morning American interview, Radar Line threatened me

1536
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 3: with a false story about me hiring two hookers at

1537
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 3: a twenty fifteen ighty call it a TV festival. It

1538
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 3: never went to press because it was a lie. This

1539
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: is not a coincidence. I told you they were coming

1540
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 3: for me. I also told you I am ready. Yeah,

1541
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: he's determined to fight this too. Let me go to

1542
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 3: the next session.

1543
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:16,200
Speaker 4: Guys, we are back.

1544
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's one of those things where, h every

1545
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 2: victim response diffinitely, but I'm glad he is.

1546
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1547
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: You know, you know, you can't put that person on

1548
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 2: everybody because everybody ain't built for that. But I am

1549
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: so glad he is because fuck them.

1550
01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially as a man, as a black man, you know,

1551
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 3: we deal with a lot of issues about hypermasculinity.

1552
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 4: We deal with a lot of issues.

1553
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 3: About trying to be macho, you know, the you know,

1554
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,799
Speaker 3: I saw someone calling him a homophobic slur on Twitter today.

1555
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 3: He responded to it and said that something about that

1556
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 3: shit too, like that's a deplorable word that you would

1557
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 3: use that even but also like, you know, this is

1558
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 3: the kind of shit they use the silence people, right, And.

1559
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: It's also one of the things too, particular with terry

1560
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 2: crews and sometimes and it frustrates me. A victim is

1561
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: a victim when it comes to this and not at

1562
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 2: one period of time did Terry Crews try to make

1563
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 2: the situation about him as far as taking it away

1564
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 2: from a woman or any other group that's been abused.

1565
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 2: And a lot of people go, well, it's not the time,

1566
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: Well when is it the time? Like now, try to

1567
01:15:29,200 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 2: find the same tactic that use against women, I see

1568
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: women and other people using it against him.

1569
01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:35,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1570
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, this is one line where I

1571
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: feel like we often talk in terms of women.

1572
01:15:41,200 --> 01:15:42,760
Speaker 4: And men because men are typically the.

1573
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 3: Abusers in these situations the violators, and women are often

1574
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 3: the tariants because of the propensity of men to be,

1575
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 3: especially men in power.

1576
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 4: To be typically heteronormative people.

1577
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,560
Speaker 3: Right, they like, there's also ceilings that we normally do

1578
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: put on men that are would you know, gay men, Uh,

1579
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 3: you know people that you know transmit like we've done

1580
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 3: ceilings we put on their lives anyway, so they might

1581
01:16:14,120 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 3: not even have the power to do some of these things.

1582
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 4: Even still, sometimes those men still do.

1583
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 3: Pick targets specifically that aren't necessarily women or cis had women,

1584
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 3: and we still run the playbook no matter what the

1585
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: same way correct, whether it was boys like with Africa

1586
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 3: ban BATA look it out the.

1587
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 4: Defense of him, whether it's.

1588
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 3: Someone that abuses women like a Harvey Weinstein, whether it's

1589
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,680
Speaker 3: this agent abusing a grown ass black man that we

1590
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 3: all look at as like, you don't want to fight

1591
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 3: Terry Cruis is in the NFL.

1592
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 4: We still look at it that way.

1593
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 3: And Terry Crews is one of those dudes that's been

1594
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 3: fighting hyper masculinity where you agree or disagree with him

1595
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:57,160
Speaker 3: because I still remember his comments about like pouring and

1596
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 3: masturbation or something. He's like, that made me cheat on

1597
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 3: my wife, and I'm like, okay, nigga anyway, but I remember.

1598
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 3: But even in those situations, he's been fighting his fight

1599
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 3: for a long ass time.

1600
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 4: So I guess they fucked with the wrong one.

1601
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: He got activated by the Weinstein thing, and he's not

1602
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 3: backing ends, no back down in him, but he's paying

1603
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 3: a price.

1604
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:23,080
Speaker 4: Still, Yes, he is this guy Ari Emmanuel the I

1605
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 4: believe is uh yeah.

1606
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: In an effort to gain support from a colleague who

1607
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,479
Speaker 3: would be sympathetic to the pain of seeing his abuser

1608
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 3: walking around town like nothing had happened. Cruise remix of

1609
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: two thousand and six letter written by power agent Ari

1610
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 3: Emmanuel now the CEO of William Morris Endeavor that demanded

1611
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 3: mail gets and be held accountable for his anti semitism.

1612
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: In the news letter, Cruz simply replaced Gibson's name with

1613
01:17:44,439 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: Adam Bennett's and the term anti semitism was sexual assault

1614
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 3: and gave it to Emmanuel.

1615
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 4: But perhaps most devastatingly, Cruz has been.

1616
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 3: Compelled to expose a lack of support from his own

1617
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 3: community as he put his career, reputation and livelihood on

1618
01:17:57,520 --> 01:17:59,720
Speaker 3: the line. The standard for us right, Whendy Williams was

1619
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 3: quick throw him under the bus. I was asking my

1620
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 3: meeting it this morning. Do I think it was brave

1621
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 3: for him to come out? I said, no, it's not brave.

1622
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 3: He's just talking, she said on her talk show shortly

1623
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 3: at the Cruz Good Morning America interview. Under the cover

1624
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 3: of fame, concern for Cruz, Williams continue to question his

1625
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 3: decision speak out.

1626
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 4: It may have been a really it may have a

1627
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,240
Speaker 4: really negative impact on his career. Do you know what

1628
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:19,599
Speaker 4: I mean?

1629
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 3: Being all black and being all chatty, and his agent

1630
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 3: his name he named names, y'all terror's going in. Then

1631
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,360
Speaker 3: there's Russell Simmons, who of course sent him the letter

1632
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: saying get this dude to pass, asked that he'd be

1633
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,439
Speaker 3: reinstated with great love, all things are possible. Sadly, for Cruse,

1634
01:18:36,479 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 3: of vast majority are two caught up in their own

1635
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: personal battles or accustomed to their privilege to maintain an

1636
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 3: NFL boycott or stand stalely with victims of sexual assault.

1637
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,479
Speaker 3: Is why some former and current players sided with their

1638
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,839
Speaker 3: owners over their fellow athletes. And while most of cruz

1639
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 3: closest comrades in Hollywood, included several approach by BT dot com, have.

1640
01:18:55,360 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 4: Yet to speak up in his defense. So, yep, that's sad.

1641
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 4: That's fucked up.

1642
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it's really what women go through all the

1643
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 3: time too, and that's we always say that's fucked up

1644
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 3: on here too. I don't think it's any more sad

1645
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,200
Speaker 3: because he's a man, or any less sad.

1646
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 4: It's just sad. You know, motherfuckers will let you fry.

1647
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 3: And then people wonder why people don't come out, because

1648
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 3: this is also sending an example to people too, not

1649
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 3: just him coming out.

1650
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 4: We look at people coming out, it's brave. Look at

1651
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 4: this example. You inspire me to come out with my

1652
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 4: sexual soft story.

1653
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 3: And then you look at what happened to them too,

1654
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 3: And society is also sending a message back to other

1655
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 3: people like and this is the call for this shit.

1656
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 3: This is all he's you mean, lucky for Terry Crews.

1657
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:40,080
Speaker 3: He's got a long time, long term career, he's got

1658
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 3: money at this point, he may lose his career over this,

1659
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 3: but be okay. There's a lot of people who ain't

1660
01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:47,639
Speaker 3: gonna be okay, who never had the money Terry Crews at,

1661
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 3: never had the name or the opportunity that's probably sitting

1662
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 3: there somewhere, like I gotta shut the fuck up, and

1663
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,120
Speaker 3: I hope if I'm quiet enough, I can.

1664
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 4: Still get on correct. One of four men don't think.

1665
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,560
Speaker 3: E'sposing themselves constitution sexual harassment of sexual survey finds I

1666
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 3: believe it. Yeah, only twenty four percent of men now

1667
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 3: for the record, because I see a lot of people

1668
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 3: be like, nah, hell no, it's more than that. I

1669
01:20:10,360 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 3: guarantee you that I don't think it is more than that.

1670
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 3: I think a lot of men do it, and they

1671
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,879
Speaker 3: know it's sexual assault and sexual harassment.

1672
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 4: A lot of them do it. They don't care. But

1673
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:23,599
Speaker 4: uh yeah, it was an on line.

1674
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 3: It was a research group that asked over a thousand

1675
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 3: Americans what they think counts as sexual harassment in an

1676
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 3: online survey. They were told to suppleat select all that

1677
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 3: apply to survey found ninety one percent of women eighty

1678
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 3: three percent of men thought being forced to do something

1679
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 3: sexual fit the bill. If that doesn't count sexual harassment,

1680
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 3: what does? Yeah, that wasn't one hundred percent?

1681
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 4: Who are se Yeah? Who are the people that.

1682
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 3: Are, like, I don't know, being forced to do something

1683
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 3: sexual not really harassment to me, I don't know, seems okay.

1684
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 4: Uh, but yeah.

1685
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,639
Speaker 3: Men were even more likely to characterize behaviors that didn't

1686
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 3: involve physical touch and sexual harassment. Twenty four percent thoughts

1687
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 3: flashing someone doesn't count in thirty saying thought making sexual

1688
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: comments about someone's body is harassment.

1689
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And this is one of those things

1690
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,600
Speaker 2: where women are conceived a property and less than and

1691
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 2: your whole existence is for me and my penis, and

1692
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 2: so this is the end result of that. And I

1693
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: actually do believe the numbers are larger, like you only

1694
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:21,920
Speaker 2: you onlyeded a thousand people.

1695
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 3: This is a small svey or a percentage, so you

1696
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 3: believe the percentage is larger. Yes, yeah, see I'll go, Okay,

1697
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: so I don't Obviously it could be this is not

1698
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 3: me saying it's not, but I wanted to add something

1699
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 3: to this that might be the percentage of men that

1700
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 3: really do think that way. I My problem is that

1701
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 3: I would hazard to guess a high seventy five percent

1702
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: at least would defend those men regardless, correct, And because

1703
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: I find I think this is true of a lot

1704
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 3: of harassment, not that there's a small number of people

1705
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 3: doing it. I think there's a large number of people

1706
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 3: doing it, But there's an even larger number of people

1707
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:06,120
Speaker 3: who identify with it and then start defending it, even

1708
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 3: if they wouldn't do it themselves, you know. And that's

1709
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 3: a huge problem in society because you can't ostracize this

1710
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:13,920
Speaker 3: number of people and be like, hey, you have a

1711
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:14,880
Speaker 3: real fucking problem.

1712
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 4: There's men that claim I don't know, I don't know

1713
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:18,680
Speaker 4: them like that.

1714
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 3: I can't speak for every man, I can't speak for myself,

1715
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 3: but there are men that claim to not agree with

1716
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 3: certain things, and yet you see them defend them things.

1717
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,840
Speaker 3: You know, to me, you just as complicit, right, I

1718
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 3: don't have time to parse between like did you do

1719
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 3: this or did you not to me, I'm like, you know, well,

1720
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 3: you sound like a fucking rapist to me the end.

1721
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 4: Right, But let's take that, let's let's let's take it

1722
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 4: at face value. Let's say this dude is a you know, hey,

1723
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:47,599
Speaker 4: I'm raising daughters.

1724
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 3: I would never let's say you would never do it,

1725
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, and that you haven't done it, and

1726
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: that you aren't self reported by why are you defending it?

1727
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: Right? And that's the problem that I have. And then

1728
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 2: when people call you out for defending a fucked up

1729
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 2: you act like there's something wrong with them for disagree now,

1730
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 2: and it's not the goddamn saying you can ship. You

1731
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,560
Speaker 2: can shut the fuck up, that's what the fuck you

1732
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:10,799
Speaker 2: can do. You could be quiet, you can say nothing.

1733
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: You can just let them ride like you do other

1734
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: ship that you really has nothing to do with you,

1735
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,840
Speaker 2: because that's the thing you quote unquote say it has

1736
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,560
Speaker 2: nothing to do with you, and you say this is

1737
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: not a behavy you would do well. Then when you

1738
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 2: see people being caught out, say nothing. And it's one

1739
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 2: of those things where it's something within you that makes

1740
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 2: you feel like you have to defend the male quote

1741
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,439
Speaker 2: unquote racing species and you just can't let the ship ride.

1742
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that gender warship is dangerous as fuck. I wish

1743
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 3: people could. I would just let it go because you

1744
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:42,000
Speaker 3: end up agreeing with shit that you swear to God

1745
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,160
Speaker 3: you don't fuck with because you don't want to quote

1746
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 3: unquote give up a philosophical win to someone of the

1747
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 3: opposite of a different uh sex or sexual orientation in you.

1748
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 4: So you just you know, I don't wanna. Look, men

1749
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 4: are on this side, women are on that side.

1750
01:23:57,439 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 3: I can't say, Hi, that's not even the discussion where

1751
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,639
Speaker 3: having we're talking about pulling you dick out on somebody

1752
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 3: that doesn't deny ask you to see it.

1753
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 4: Oh, I can't.

1754
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 3: I mean, so see, this is the thing, right, So

1755
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 3: I can't say she got a nice dress, Like, why

1756
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 3: are you bringing up that when someone's bringing up Matt

1757
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,679
Speaker 3: lower has a button that locks people in this office?

1758
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 3: Like why are we having two different discussions right now? Yeah,

1759
01:24:20,120 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: you do identify with this predator, even though you swear

1760
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 3: what they did was above the line. The first thing

1761
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:28,720
Speaker 3: you do is think about yourself.

1762
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: Right, and you derail the conversation. So we talk about

1763
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: other shit, or you make the conversation about you and

1764
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:39,080
Speaker 2: ninety something percent of people even higher, almost close to

1765
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 2: one hundred maybe three to five percent, you know, seven

1766
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 2: percent of the most of people quote unquote false accusations,

1767
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 2: but most people it's one hundred percent true. And so

1768
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where when people are coming

1769
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 2: out talking about things that happen to them and talking

1770
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 2: about incidents that happen. Hate to be like this uncod

1771
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 2: fuck about your one friend, you know, because.

1772
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 4: I just don't care what one friend.

1773
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: You know how sometimes people come we know when this

1774
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 2: shit come up, you always have some own time, and

1775
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:11,759
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, this one time I had a friend.

1776
01:25:12,200 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 2: We're not talking about your friends.

1777
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 4: Also, I don't believe you in your friend.

1778
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: Can we just go there your friend?

1779
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 4: Can we just go there?

1780
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 3: I don't believe you on your friend. What do you

1781
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: think a rapist is gonna tell you? You think that's

1782
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,040
Speaker 3: how that works? If you dumb enough to believe that shit,

1783
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 3: that's on you, you know what I mean? Like, it's

1784
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 3: not like these men come out. I was accused of

1785
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 3: rape BYuT three different women. If you know, bitches be

1786
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 3: lying and in your in this case, you choose a

1787
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: camaraderie of your friend and the mask of in the

1788
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 3: shield of manhood to hide behind.

1789
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,679
Speaker 4: It be like, see these bitches be lying. You don't

1790
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 4: know that.

1791
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 3: I've had that conversation had before where there's a dude

1792
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,640
Speaker 3: that wanted I forget what he wanted me to do.

1793
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,320
Speaker 3: But it was my cowork at the time, and he

1794
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, my boy can't DJ at this day

1795
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:56,640
Speaker 3: to night.

1796
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 4: And I'm like.

1797
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:01,040
Speaker 3: Okay, and he was like, I would be DJing, but

1798
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 3: h I said, what happened to him? He's like, oh, man,

1799
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 3: it was in the paper and everything. You ain't heard

1800
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 3: the song, and.

1801
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 4: So I like, now I heard him. Oh yeah, man,

1802
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 4: he got accused of rape by this girl.

1803
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 3: Man, he went in the bathroom and then she came

1804
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 3: out tried to say he raped her, and ship, man,

1805
01:26:14,160 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 3: you know, bitches be lying. I was like, I don't

1806
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 3: it sounds like your boy could be a rapist. Though,

1807
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a hell of a lie. Like how

1808
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 3: many times does that happen? It's like, man, you know

1809
01:26:24,280 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 3: he said, she lying?

1810
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 4: He my friend. You know I bailed him out of jail.

1811
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:29,720
Speaker 4: I was like, you might have bailed the rapists out

1812
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 4: of jail. You don't know that.

1813
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 2: She lined right, And people don't. Men don't want to

1814
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,799
Speaker 2: believe that they are supporting rapists.

1815
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 3: Like, but here's the thing it I could see it

1816
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 3: in his face. It like I violated protocol. I broke

1817
01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 3: the ranks going by just cause I, like I said,

1818
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 3: believe women. To me, isn't all women have to be

1819
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 3: flawless tell the truth all the time, But I believe women?

1820
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 3: Is like, can we consider the possibility your boy did it? Like,

1821
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 3: as you know, he didn't provide any reason that he

1822
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 3: would be targeted or any you know, it wasn't like

1823
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 3: you said, I wasn't even at the club that night.

1824
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 3: It's not like every woman that walked in that bathroom

1825
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 3: accus him a sexual assault. Is not like she accused

1826
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,479
Speaker 3: all these men of sexual assault. She accused this dude

1827
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 3: of sexual assault. Like, maybe he did it. What's so

1828
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,040
Speaker 3: wrong about saying maybe he did it?

1829
01:27:23,160 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 2: You just don't even want to consider it a possibility.

1830
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: And the thing is, you don't know what kind of

1831
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,000
Speaker 2: DNA test is going like, you don't know anything. You

1832
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 2: don't know what kind of investigation is going on, and

1833
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 2: you know, it's just one of those things where, like

1834
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 2: I said, it's a unnecessarily fucked up gender war, and

1835
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,840
Speaker 2: it's a lot of hurt people based off of gender.

1836
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm a man and I gotta defend a man no

1837
01:27:41,960 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 2: matter what. And I'm a woman and I got offend

1838
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 2: a woman no matter what. And it's stupid and it's dumb,

1839
01:27:46,479 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 2: and a lot of it comes from hurt and pain

1840
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 2: by people on the of the opposite sex.

1841
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:52,679
Speaker 3: It's trauma, people playing out there trauma. But but yeah,

1842
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 3: but also like for men, a lot of times, it's

1843
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 3: not about hurting pain. It's just about keeping them lines,

1844
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 3: keeping them ranks together, keeping that privilege together, you know,

1845
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 3: because if I have to examine my friend, I have

1846
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 3: to examine all this shit. You know, if I can

1847
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 3: just the only women I believe is like if they're

1848
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 3: my friend already yeah yeah, like the friend of family.

1849
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 3: But if it's just some other woman defaultagy alive itch

1850
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:20,759
Speaker 3: like anyway, point being, I don't know that the number

1851
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 3: of men doing.

1852
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 4: The shit is. I will never know how high that

1853
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 4: behavior is. It still seems deviant to me.

1854
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:31,120
Speaker 3: It does seem like not the norm quote unquote as

1855
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 3: far as somebody like pulling a dick out and showing

1856
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,719
Speaker 3: it to somebody. But what is the norm is defending

1857
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 3: it that you can't argue that cause because I know

1858
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 3: and by defending it, I'm not talking direct defense. I

1859
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,240
Speaker 3: want to be particular on this. Men will say that

1860
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 3: that is disgusting and that that motherfucker's does. But then

1861
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 3: what they'll also say is, so I can't talk to

1862
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 3: a woman. I can't, so so I can't even And

1863
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, you're kind of defending this because you're

1864
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:58,519
Speaker 3: trying to associate these two different behaviors with one of

1865
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,680
Speaker 3: them may be slightly objectionable to a woman, and one

1866
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: of them is breaking the fucking law. Like, ain't no,

1867
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 3: you haven't passed a law yet that you can't.

1868
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 4: Say nice dress.

1869
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: It's just, uh, it's just something that women may or

1870
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 3: may not get offended by. But we haven't passed a

1871
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,560
Speaker 3: law of that. But we have passed a lot that

1872
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 3: you can't pull your dick out and show it to

1873
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 3: a kid, all right, we have full a law. We

1874
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 3: haven't had passed a law that you can't just violate

1875
01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 3: someone's body or touch them when without asking the shit

1876
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,200
Speaker 3: we passed laws like that. Why are you associating your

1877
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 3: social faux pas, your uh, what do you call it,

1878
01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 3: your awkwardness or whatever let's say let's say you literally

1879
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,400
Speaker 3: are I don't mean a bad thing by well, let's

1880
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 3: just take your social awkwardness. Why are you centering that

1881
01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 3: in a discussion about someone being a serial sexual harasser,

1882
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 3: offender or assault her?

1883
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Why are you How do we get here right?

1884
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: And it all goes boils down to you deviating a

1885
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 2: conversation about the on hand, right, So you talk about

1886
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: your one friend, which may not be true, you know,

1887
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 2: you talk about other shit like that, and it's one

1888
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 2: of the things where it could be very, very frustrating,

1889
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,800
Speaker 2: and it's one of those things where, uh, I don't

1890
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: have time to decipher the quote unquote real rapists from

1891
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:20,640
Speaker 2: the people to defend this. So I just throw you

1892
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 2: out in the same category and be like bucket, if

1893
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 2: you're defending them, you're a part. You're a part of

1894
01:30:24,520 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 2: the problem too. Even if you getn't rape, you're a

1895
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:27,040
Speaker 2: part of the problem.

1896
01:30:27,120 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 4: I agree, you're part of the problem.

1897
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 3: Like I said, I wanted to have that conversation on

1898
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,639
Speaker 3: here because I think it is nuanced and I would

1899
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 3: never defend some dude doing some shit like that. But

1900
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 3: like I said, there's a lot of men that claim

1901
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:41,120
Speaker 3: they don't do these things that defend it, and I

1902
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 3: do want to make that point. Stop doing it, you know,

1903
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 3: even if it's just well I would feel uncomfortable. Well,

1904
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,800
Speaker 3: that's like saying, you know what it is, God got

1905
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 3: to go back to the racial lens. But that's like saying,

1906
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,640
Speaker 3: so at a job place, at what's the place with

1907
01:30:59,800 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 3: the Tesla? At Tesla, you had firing black employees, you

1908
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 3: had calling them racial slurs, and you had hanging nooses

1909
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 3: and shit and spray paintings racial slurs on things. Right,

1910
01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,400
Speaker 3: these are the offenses. This is what they got sued by.

1911
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 3: Multiple brown and black employees are in this lawsuit.

1912
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,600
Speaker 4: Right. That would be like me bringing that up and

1913
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 4: some white dude being like, so, I can't say homeboy

1914
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 4: to my friend at work. I mean, he's black, but

1915
01:31:25,880 --> 01:31:26,760
Speaker 4: we cool. I can't.

1916
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 3: So if I come up and say, what's up my man,

1917
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 3: and I give him a dap instead of a you know,

1918
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:35,160
Speaker 3: instead of just a handshake like I give everyone else

1919
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 3: at the meaning, are you trying to say that I'm racist?

1920
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 4: And you're like, how did these.

1921
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 3: Aren't even We're not having a discussion about that right now.

1922
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 3: We're talking about this other thing that we should be

1923
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 3: agreeing as fucked up. Yeah, that is fucked up. But

1924
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying I can't even come up to my man

1925
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,439
Speaker 3: Darryl and ask him. I can't quote Friday the movie

1926
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 3: when I'm talking to him. You're like, why do you

1927
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 3: keep coming back to you? We were talking about this

1928
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 3: other shit. All you care about is you.

1929
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 4: He is just as fucked up. You're part of the

1930
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 4: problem anyway.

1931
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:11,280
Speaker 3: John Hockenberry, former public radio host, is accused of sexual misconduct.

1932
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:16,960
Speaker 4: Not a good, not a banner week for public radio

1933
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 4: APR he works.

1934
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 3: A former public radio host in New York City, has

1935
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 3: left his show earlier this year. He's been accused of

1936
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,919
Speaker 3: sexual misconduct by author and some of his former colleagues.

1937
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,560
Speaker 3: It's never just one that's the other thing, like no

1938
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 3: offense to I'm not like say with George Takai or

1939
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,040
Speaker 3: Neil de grass Tyson so far that like the people

1940
01:32:40,120 --> 01:32:43,799
Speaker 3: that said that stuff, whether you know what, for whatever motivation,

1941
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 3: whether it happened or not. It's like one person and

1942
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 3: a lot of times these people that engage in his behavior,

1943
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 3: it don't take long. That's why you gotta shut the

1944
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,560
Speaker 3: fuck up. Like when ship first pops off, like with

1945
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,680
Speaker 3: Al Franken. Just shut the fuck up, don't defend him,

1946
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 3: talk about how good a man he is. When five

1947
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 3: more women come out, you're gonna look stupid as fuck,

1948
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 3: right you sitting up here, Tom how Grady was and

1949
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 3: now you look like a dumb ass because you don't

1950
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 3: know everything about that dude. Well, in this case, you know,

1951
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,000
Speaker 3: left the job, left the gig. One person comes out,

1952
01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 3: several more colleagues come out. It's always more than one.

1953
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 3: When they did it, it ain't know, it's never doubt

1954
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 3: when they it's like, oh this is okay. Five women later,

1955
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,600
Speaker 3: he did it, you know anyway. Suki Kim said she

1956
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 3: met former w NYC The Takeaway host John Hockenberry in

1957
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:32,519
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen as a guest on the radio program. He

1958
01:33:32,600 --> 01:33:34,640
Speaker 3: later sent us a series of emails that made her uncomfortable,

1959
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 3: asking for her home address so he could write her letters,

1960
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 3: and tied her on the subject need another dose of you.

1961
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:43,240
Speaker 4: What what? Look at this picture? This old white man.

1962
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 4: That's just so ridiculous.

1963
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 3: He left the radio show on August, saying it was

1964
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 3: time to move on after accusations against the medium ogo

1965
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 3: Harty Weinstein broke. Kim decided to ask Hockenberry's former colleagues

1966
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 3: about whether they ever felt uncomfortable, she wrote. One wrote

1967
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,559
Speaker 3: one former colleague, Christian Meanzer, told her that he may

1968
01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 3: unwanted sexual advances and wrote her sexually explicit notes through

1969
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 3: social media.

1970
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:03,599
Speaker 4: She eventually left the show.

1971
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:07,120
Speaker 3: Other supported similar behavior but did not want to be

1972
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 3: named for the story. Kim author, without you, there's no

1973
01:34:10,760 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 3: us undercover among the sons of nor Korea's elite had

1974
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 3: complained to the station in February, and then he just

1975
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 3: happened to leave and it was time to move on,

1976
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 3: y'all and a statement he was running and the statement

1977
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,479
Speaker 3: in New York polic Radio called the allegations against hacking

1978
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 3: Berry disturbing and said the conduct described in the article

1979
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:36,840
Speaker 3: would clearly violate nypr's standards and workplace part practices. His

1980
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 3: contract inspired in June and was not renewed. She said

1981
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 3: to come to cannot comment on why his contract was

1982
01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,160
Speaker 3: not renewed. A statement from the takeaway post on Twitter

1983
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 3: said the show was disturbed by report and takes allegation

1984
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 3: very seriously. Hackenberry is the statement to the website, saying

1985
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 3: he was harrified that people felt uncomfortable.

1986
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 2: Oh I know who this dude is. Yeah, yeah, because

1987
01:35:00,120 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 2: is he normally he does like a London prime time

1988
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 2: hours and shit like that. Yeah, because when you named

1989
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 2: the seaw I was like, Oh, that's why I haven't

1990
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 2: heard his voice in the wild. That makes sense.

1991
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:14,080
Speaker 4: Looking back, my behavior was not always appropriate, and I'm.

1992
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 3: Sorry for years, but go ahead. I'm sorry looking back,

1993
01:35:18,240 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 3: my behavior was not always appropriate, and I'm sorry. It

1994
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:23,439
Speaker 3: hardfires me that I made the talented and driven people

1995
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 3: I work with feel uncomfortable, that the stress around putting

1996
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 3: together a great show.

1997
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:29,839
Speaker 4: Was made worse by my behavior.

1998
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 3: Having to deal with my own physical limitations has given

1999
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:35,880
Speaker 3: me an understanding of powerlessness, and I should have been

2000
01:35:35,960 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 3: more aware of how to power O world over others.

2001
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:41,759
Speaker 3: Coupled with inappropriate comments and communication could be construed.

2002
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 4: I have no excuses he is in a.

2003
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 3: Wheelchair to be in paralyzed in the high school, fill

2004
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 3: in a car accident. Hickenberry did not immediately respond to

2005
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 3: Associated Press requests for comment. The Takeaway has two point

2006
01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 3: seven million weekly listeners, and it's broadcast on more than

2007
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 3: two hundred and seventy stations.

2008
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of their biggest shows.

2009
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 4: Hosted by Todd's zilswill It. The sixty one year old.

2010
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 3: Hocknberry hosted to take Away from two thousand and eight

2011
01:36:06,160 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: to too earlier this year, and it's a four time

2012
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 3: Emmy Award winner. Yeah, that's you know, that's the thing,

2013
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 3: using your platform to try to holler at people too.

2014
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:20,000
Speaker 3: It's it's unscrupulous man, like these are also that thing.

2015
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:25,439
Speaker 3: This is also that ship where it's coming, it's coming

2016
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:28,080
Speaker 3: home to roost that and now the top getting's good

2017
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 3: force over If somebody made you feel uncomfortable, now is

2018
01:36:31,400 --> 01:36:34,400
Speaker 3: the time, you know. I wish we got a racial

2019
01:36:34,479 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 3: reckoning like this at some point. I don't know that

2020
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 3: we ever will necessarily, but it would be dope, Like

2021
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 3: I would understand, like I feel like a lot of

2022
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: black men particularly and black people that have been kind

2023
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:52,400
Speaker 3: of anti this push like really, you can't even email

2024
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 3: somebody inappropriately at the like really that that's what we

2025
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 3: fired people for. Keeping mind didn't get fired, But I

2026
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,720
Speaker 3: could understand, like some of those people coming around if

2027
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 3: they knew, like, no, we're gonna take your shit seriously.

2028
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,200
Speaker 3: The coworker that calls you homeboy and my man and

2029
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:09,880
Speaker 3: says the N word when you go on lunch breaks

2030
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 3: with him and ship. Were gonna get rid of that dude.

2031
01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:14,840
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna, like, we're gonna do something about it.

2032
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:17,960
Speaker 3: That person that touched your hair without asking permission at

2033
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 3: your job and that always calls you sister girl even

2034
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 3: you know shit like that, We're gonna, we're gonna stop it.

2035
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 3: Like how many of us would come forward and be like, yes,

2036
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,160
Speaker 3: I'm sick of these microaggressions, do something about it, get

2037
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 3: rid of.

2038
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 4: This motherfucker, or fix it works. But I feel like

2039
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 4: sometimes I think with.

2040
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 3: Black shit, we have a little bit of jealousy towards

2041
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 3: any movement that gets traction, that consequences start being handed

2042
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 3: out because of how very very few and far between

2043
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 3: consequences for things that happen to us are. So it's

2044
01:37:49,479 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 3: almost like, oh, y'all gonna listen to these motherfuckers, you know. Anyway,

2045
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 3: Brock Turner appeals his conviction. You guys may know him

2046
01:37:56,320 --> 01:38:00,679
Speaker 3: as a Stanford rapist. He only spent three must in jail,

2047
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 3: and he's appealing his convictions and requesting a new trial.

2048
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:07,280
Speaker 4: Keep in mind, it's not that he didn't do it.

2049
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 3: He got the lightest sin as possible, really and he's

2050
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 3: He claims that his trial was fundamentally unfair, key to

2051
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,080
Speaker 3: his request for a new trial. As a statement the

2052
01:38:23,120 --> 01:38:26,080
Speaker 3: prosecutor repeatedly he made during the trial saying saw occurred

2053
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 3: behind the dumpster.

2054
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 2: That's what it fucking found you.

2055
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,400
Speaker 3: Turner's lawyers argue it did not occur behind the dumpster. Indeed,

2056
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 3: the victim was found in a completely open setting.

2057
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:40,200
Speaker 2: You were caught in the goddamn act. What the fuck

2058
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 2: are we talking about?

2059
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 4: He said, behind the dumpster prejudiced the jury against.

2060
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:48,680
Speaker 2: Turner, But in fact, what are we talking about here? Uh?

2061
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 3: The characterization of the crime implied an intent on the

2062
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 3: appellan's part to shield the sick and sequester his activities,

2063
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 3: and applied more to pravity, callousness, and culpability on the

2064
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,559
Speaker 3: appellans part because of the inherent connotations of filth, garbage

2065
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:07,280
Speaker 3: that that try this, and criminal activity frequently associated with dumpsters.

2066
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,719
Speaker 3: You don't get the fuck trash, delicious, don't even.

2067
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:16,080
Speaker 2: Know this shit, because why is it? Because so now

2068
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:17,960
Speaker 2: you're going force the victim to go through this bullshit

2069
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 2: all over a fucking gang.

2070
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 3: Possibly he's petitioning for a new trial. This doesn't mean

2071
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 3: he'll get there. It's a quest will be granted.

2072
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 4: But possibly. Yeah.

2073
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 3: You know, this is one of the things that we

2074
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 3: don't talk about when we talk about sexual assault and

2075
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:32,439
Speaker 3: we go we use the court of law as.

2076
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,759
Speaker 4: They well, look, so and so was found not guilty.

2077
01:39:35,880 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 2: He was.

2078
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:39,439
Speaker 3: And it's like, were they found not guilty or did

2079
01:39:39,439 --> 01:39:42,639
Speaker 3: they keep going to trial until the assault victim went

2080
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 3: salt survival went, I don't.

2081
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 4: Fucking have the fourth trial.

2082
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this again, like.

2083
01:39:47,200 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 3: I'm not leaving my job four years later. I'm trying

2084
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,639
Speaker 3: to move on. I gotta go re traumatized. I gotta

2085
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 3: remember the night for the again in perfect detail, have

2086
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:59,879
Speaker 3: every comment picked apart, over and over again, until eventually

2087
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,719
Speaker 3: they rule to probably get this dude who probably already

2088
01:40:03,760 --> 01:40:05,880
Speaker 3: got a light sentence in the first place, to let

2089
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 3: him go, Like at some point I have to move

2090
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 3: on to.

2091
01:40:08,640 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 2: Right that, or either they're like, fuck it, I'm not

2092
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 2: going to trial, which makes you actually just throw a

2093
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 2: whole trial out.

2094
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:16,640
Speaker 4: Well, they don't always throw the whole trial out. When

2095
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 4: you do that.

2096
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:18,840
Speaker 3: With Nate Parker, I know they did the trial again

2097
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,640
Speaker 3: without the witness, okay, because she just it was like

2098
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 3: four or five years later it was before she died.

2099
01:40:23,680 --> 01:40:25,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it was just a long time later. She

2100
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 3: was just like I'm not doing it again, like I've

2101
01:40:28,439 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 3: done this two or three times now, like y'all, y'all

2102
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 3: passed the sentence already, you know, And then and that

2103
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 3: when she's not there all of a sudden, it's just

2104
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:37,519
Speaker 3: easier to be like, well, nothing happened.

2105
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 4: Let it go.

2106
01:40:38,640 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 3: She let it go, so we it must not be real,

2107
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 3: you know me, She let it go. Now, you know

2108
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. She ain't here, she must let it go.

2109
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 3: Right from pspective, Yeah, she mustn't let it go.

2110
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 4: It must be okay, aero Verse.

2111
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 3: If you guys have watched DC the TV shows on

2112
01:40:54,400 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 3: WB Erroverse co creator was fired following.

2113
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 4: Sexual rath scandal. His name was Andrew Cresberg.

2114
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 3: He's been officially fired by Warner Brothers Television follow claims

2115
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 3: sexual harassment from various cast members.

2116
01:41:10,240 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a history of sexual.

2117
01:41:11,320 --> 01:41:14,519
Speaker 3: Misconduct and appropriate physical conduct with contact with people on

2118
01:41:14,640 --> 01:41:17,880
Speaker 3: the set. It was corroborated by fifteen different women and

2119
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,240
Speaker 3: four men, all of whom had worked for him over

2120
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 3: the years. Good god, corroborate. It doesn't mean that that

2121
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 3: was the number of people he did it to corroborated.

2122
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 3: Could mean that I saw it, heard about it, you

2123
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:30,479
Speaker 3: told me you did it like that. That's still a

2124
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 3: lot of people among the I mean pretty brazen, right,

2125
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 3: At least nineteen people knew about it. Among the allegations

2126
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:40,040
Speaker 3: level at him include detail accounts from passive president employees

2127
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 3: that he touched and kissed women without their permission, asking

2128
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:45,839
Speaker 3: for massagists from female employees who were clearly uneasy.

2129
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 2: Hey, look that massage thing? Is that that the catch o?

2130
01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 4: It's a power thing. I think, make this person touch

2131
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 4: me that don't want to do it.

2132
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 3: The sources also described a verbal history of regularly sexualized

2133
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,160
Speaker 3: contents about women's appearances and how they dress, whether out

2134
01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:02,800
Speaker 3: they were desirable. It makes a ton of sense for

2135
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 3: those at least like me, they've been watching WB shows,

2136
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 3: like why are these women dressed like this?

2137
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:08,120
Speaker 2: Come on?

2138
01:42:09,040 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 3: And it's not hate or nothing. People always turn it

2139
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 3: on the actresses or the characters. But that's a decisuat

2140
01:42:15,240 --> 01:42:17,840
Speaker 3: at the top. It's like, I don't think Felicity would

2141
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 3: go to work as a CEO of a company with

2142
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:23,640
Speaker 3: a middrift hopping out and you know the shortest skirt on.

2143
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 4: I don't think that's how that would work.

2144
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 2: Right, You're right, And sometimes it don't make no sense.

2145
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:31,679
Speaker 2: You go, Okay, you're in this situation, not so funny.

2146
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 2: Why the fuck you got heels on? Anybody else would

2147
01:42:34,040 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 2: not have worn heels in this situation?

2148
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it doesn't make any We already do it

2149
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:42,759
Speaker 4: enough in this genre in movies. You know, it's laughable.

2150
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,400
Speaker 3: In Jurassic Park, the last joint, the woman ran through

2151
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 3: the jungle heel. Yes, I took it as a joke,

2152
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 3: but you know what I mean, we already do it

2153
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:52,080
Speaker 3: enough because someone somewhere was like, we got to pop

2154
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:54,439
Speaker 3: that ass, soid we got to sell this, which and

2155
01:42:54,479 --> 01:42:56,519
Speaker 3: maybe that's what human beings are like, but that also

2156
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 3: means you're putting people in charge they think.

2157
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Like that, right. Also, maybe just me and they may

2158
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 2: not change. This may have to do something to do

2159
01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,560
Speaker 2: with how they write their female characters, right, you know,

2160
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Speaker 2: because sometimes as a as a female, I look at

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01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:14,640
Speaker 2: a lot of how the female characters ridding, how the

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01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 2: love interest is riding, how the desires are riding, how

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01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:20,959
Speaker 2: female characters are quote unquote written out and then back,

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01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: particularly with iris, you know, those are the things I

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01:43:23,439 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 2: look at, you know, and I understand that, you know,

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01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 2: these shows are made for quote unquote twins and teens,

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01:43:29,680 --> 01:43:32,000
Speaker 2: but you also, I'm an adult, and it's one of

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01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 2: those things where children can deal with high intellect relationships,

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01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 2: you know, and it's one of those things where you know,

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Speaker 2: I challenge them to make things more deep in my opinion,

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01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, but like you said, this comes from a

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01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:46,400
Speaker 2: thirty year old, no not thirty, but almost forty year

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01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: old mind, and I hope getting rid of him calls

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Speaker 2: with them to mature relationships and mature some of the

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01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:56,320
Speaker 2: women writing, and also calls with them. I'm not gonna

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01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 2: say change their dressing, but dress them more realists, because

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Speaker 2: I understand, just come from commic books and white dudes

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01:44:02,439 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 2: most of the commic books, So you're trying to quote

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01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 2: unquote mimic of those things. But it doesn't mean it's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they should change the way they dress,

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01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 3: just because it was always ridiculous.

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01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:11,400
Speaker 2: Yes it was.

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01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,479
Speaker 3: It just always was, you know, like I get it,

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01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,800
Speaker 3: superheroes and shit dressed, you know, And it's not that

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01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 3: there's like a shortage of like I mean, how many

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01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,519
Speaker 3: scenes we're gonna get an Oliver and Diggle, no shirts

2187
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:24,360
Speaker 3: doing you know, workouts, Like I'm not saying those are

2188
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 3: bad things, per se and sexy people with sex cells,

2189
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 3: and there's nothing wrong with somebody being but it was

2190
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,080
Speaker 3: just so over the time with all.

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01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,160
Speaker 4: The actresses in some things that just looked ridiculous.

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01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:36,960
Speaker 3: It was like, that's not a choice a person would

2193
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,880
Speaker 3: make in this situation, let alone a person that you know,

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01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:43,799
Speaker 3: we're supposed to quote unquote really have this like profound

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01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 3: respectfulness in this show when everyone else is dressed a

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01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,759
Speaker 3: certain way, They're dressed like they're going out to a party,

2197
01:44:52,840 --> 01:44:54,720
Speaker 3: and you're like, come on, she didn't work at the

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01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 3: police station and wear, you know, a skirt up her

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01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 3: ass and then sit on the desk that shows all

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01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,720
Speaker 3: of her leg Like that's not how, that's not how

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01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:05,640
Speaker 3: they would do this. And it was clearly that they

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01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,920
Speaker 3: were trying to be someone somewhere in decision making like

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01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 3: maybe him, maybe not, but someone somewhere said this is

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01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 3: what we need to do to sell this character and

2205
01:45:15,200 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 3: it was bullshit, right, And the thing.

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01:45:16,920 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 2: Is is across the board, but I think out of

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01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:21,759
Speaker 2: everybody and I love the arrow, it was more blatant

2208
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 2: with Felicity and Arrow because you have other female characters

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Speaker 2: they don't dress like.

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Speaker 3: That, right, Well, then that kind of goes to that

2211
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 3: point that they don't dress everybody like that, then correct.

2212
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:33,519
Speaker 3: I don't know I was saying the opposite. I think

2213
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 3: they dressed women ridiculously if they're but it's specifically the

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01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:39,280
Speaker 3: love interest.

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Speaker 2: Women and that's more. That's more of that because you

2216
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:45,640
Speaker 2: have to think, what the black siren. The siren, they

2217
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 2: don't dress her like that. Yeah, you know, so, I

2218
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:49,599
Speaker 2: mean that's that's kind.

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01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:51,880
Speaker 3: Of what I but Iris is supposed to I mean,

2220
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:53,800
Speaker 3: they basically want to make us scene every scene with her,

2221
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:55,120
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to feel like I got to pull my

2222
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 3: dick out and start jacking off. And that's ridiculous, yes,

2223
01:45:57,680 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 3: but it also makes sense if it's coming from the

2224
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 3: decision making and of.

2225
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,760
Speaker 4: A guy like that anyway. Better.

2226
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,640
Speaker 3: Russell Simmons is stepping down from his companies in the

2227
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 3: wake of the accusation of harassment and sexual assault. You know,

2228
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:14,040
Speaker 3: he's been accused well we read his accusations, but he's

2229
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:17,240
Speaker 3: stepping down. According to The Hollywood Reporter, he said, I've

2230
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 3: been informed with great anguish of Jenny Lummit's recollection about

2231
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,519
Speaker 3: our night together in nineteen ninety one. I know Jenny

2232
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,000
Speaker 3: and her family have seen her several times over the

2233
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 3: years since the eating she described well, her memory of

2234
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 3: that evening is very different from mine. It's now clear

2235
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,120
Speaker 3: to me that her feelings of fear and intimidation are real.

2236
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 4: Well. I've never been violent.

2237
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:37,040
Speaker 3: I have been thoughtless and in sensitive in some of

2238
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,880
Speaker 3: my relationships over many decades, and I sincerely and humbly apologize.

2239
01:46:42,240 --> 01:46:43,599
Speaker 4: This is a time of great transition.

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Speaker 3: The voices of the voiceless, those who have been hurt

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01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 3: or shamed, deserve and need to be heard as Corridor's

2242
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 3: power inevitably make way for a new generation. I don't

2243
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 3: want to be a distraction, so I remove myself from

2244
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:56,800
Speaker 3: the businesses that I founded. The companies will now be

2245
01:46:56,920 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 3: run by new and diversion and of learning and healing.

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01:46:59,360 --> 01:47:01,559
Speaker 3: As for me, I will step aside and commit myself

2247
01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 3: to continue my personal growth, spiritual learning, and above all

2248
01:47:04,400 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 3: us listening. Lumba's column, she wrote that maybe recalling of

2249
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 3: this incident can be helpful to other women who have

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01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 3: spoken or out against Simmons, but realize there's a lot

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01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 3: of state coming forward their story. So much guilt, there's

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01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:21,439
Speaker 3: so much shame, there's an excruciating internal reckoning. As a

2253
01:47:21,479 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 3: woman of color, I cannot express how wrenching it is

2254
01:47:24,280 --> 01:47:27,439
Speaker 3: to write about this successful The writer is about a

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Speaker 3: successful man of color. HBO, of course, announced that they

2256
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:32,839
Speaker 3: won't be working with them. They say they have no plans,

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01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 3: nothing under you know, in production with him.

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01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 4: But yees.

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01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 3: She detailed allegations of sexual misconduct made against Brett Ratner

2260
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: and Simmons. A woman caught it in the story said

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01:47:45,080 --> 01:47:46,040
Speaker 3: that they were in it together.

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01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 4: Yep, we read that. So he's stepping away.

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01:47:52,200 --> 01:47:54,800
Speaker 3: You know. I don't really care his apology, but mostly

2264
01:47:54,840 --> 01:47:57,479
Speaker 3: because I don't think anyone would. There's nothing he could

2265
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 3: have said that would make people accept his apology any way.

2266
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 3: And they never literally admit to doing anything wrong. And

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01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:08,120
Speaker 3: I think to them, they probably think, like, this makes

2268
01:48:08,160 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 3: me feel a look more innocent. I'm saying, when you

2269
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:13,439
Speaker 3: say you don't recall or you see it just a

2270
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 3: different way, it kind of sounds like you must have

2271
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 3: done that shit all the time, you know, but you

2272
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 3: know at the same time, but you know, he's stepping down.

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01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,360
Speaker 3: ABC News suspended.

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01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 4: Oh wait, this is a trash. How do you get

2275
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:27,400
Speaker 4: in here?

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01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:30,360
Speaker 3: Damn, I just saw suspended and put this nig in

2278
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 3: the trash. That's a different type of story anyway, DC

2279
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 3: Comic Editor DC Comics suspends editor Eddie Berganza amid sexual scandal.

2280
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,400
Speaker 3: So this motherfucker taken up out the paint too. Comic

2281
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 3: book dude rights for Batman, Teen Titans, and Wednesday Comics.

2282
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 3: Made a name for himself in nineteen ninety eight when

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01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 3: he won Comic Buyers God Fed Award Favorite Editor.

2284
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 4: But he has been released.

2285
01:48:59,280 --> 01:49:03,080
Speaker 3: He DC Entertainment release of statements saying basically he was

2286
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 3: suspended laid out a planning on how they're going to

2287
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:10,879
Speaker 3: handle situations going forward. It was a report from Bust

2288
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 3: Feet News that came out earlier this week, rounding up

2289
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:18,000
Speaker 3: several women's sexual harassment acculations against Braganza. The editors in

2290
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,519
Speaker 3: proper behavior appears to be on somewhat of an open

2291
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:24,080
Speaker 3: secret in the industry. Unfortunately, the company seemly turned the

2292
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 3: blond eye despite this multi employee HR complaint filed against

2293
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,559
Speaker 3: him in twenty ten. Do the significant contributions to their business.

2294
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 3: This comes on the heels of suspension of Era versus

2295
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:40,639
Speaker 3: producer Andrew Kresberg, who is also battling similar allegations. Yeah,

2296
01:49:40,680 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 3: it's funny DC gets away with a lot of shit

2297
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,920
Speaker 3: for some weird reason, because yes they do. Marvel had

2298
01:49:45,960 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 3: a dude that lied about using the pseudonym an agent

2299
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 3: pseudonym even to like sell comics and get around this

2300
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 3: way of getting this Grant so and now he's like

2301
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:58,599
Speaker 3: the editor in chief of Marvel and it's been four

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01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:00,120
Speaker 3: days and I think they're trying to get him. And

2303
01:50:00,160 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 3: I've seen somebody tweet like it's been four days and

2304
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 3: they haven't done anything. But y'all excited about the Infinity One.

2305
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I guess that is fucked up.

2306
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 4: But I mean.

2307
01:50:10,439 --> 01:50:13,200
Speaker 3: That, like Marvel, the standard for Marvels is much higher.

2308
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 3: Like this dude had been sexual harassing women since twenty ten,

2309
01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 3: and there isn't like a but y'all niggas went to

2310
01:50:18,720 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 3: see Justice League or anything like that.

2311
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:21,960
Speaker 4: It's just kind of different for them.

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01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:26,599
Speaker 3: Garrison Keiler got fired by MPR. He put my hand

2313
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,240
Speaker 3: on a woman's bare back. He says, Oh, you know,

2314
01:50:29,320 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 3: Garrison Quiler, don't you. I probably do a Prairie Home companion.

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01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:38,560
Speaker 2: Yes, that's not dude, that's that old man show that

2316
01:50:39,560 --> 01:50:41,760
Speaker 2: used to come on and it's it's born as fuck,

2317
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:45,000
Speaker 2: but it's literally popular. I've heard it several times, and

2318
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 2: he would actually travel around the country and his shoe

2319
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,880
Speaker 2: would be so black people love him. His shoe would

2320
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,360
Speaker 2: be sold out. I know exactly who you're talking about.

2321
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,839
Speaker 4: And the thing that you funded this show, NPR cup.

2322
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 2: I know my seven dollars a month.

2323
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,360
Speaker 4: You made it hospital for this man to do the

2324
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:02,680
Speaker 4: things he did, and.

2325
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:04,680
Speaker 2: I made it possible while I paid for NPR to

2326
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 2: get him. About the paint too, That's true.

2327
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 4: Nobody ever talks about that part.

2328
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,960
Speaker 3: Garrison Keeler, whose soothing voice and gentle humor helped define

2329
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 3: the world's view of Minnesota, has been dropped by Minnesota

2330
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 3: Public Radio for inappropriate behavior.

2331
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,280
Speaker 4: MPR said Wednesday.

2332
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 3: It is seven All Ties to the Blong Time Host Radio,

2333
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 3: a priier companion show, the show which he handed off

2334
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 3: last year to handpack successor Chris Stile, who it will

2335
01:51:29,439 --> 01:51:33,040
Speaker 3: be retitled. Keeler holds a trademark and his old broadcast

2336
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:34,040
Speaker 3: no longer will be aired.

2337
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,599
Speaker 2: They're basically getting rid of him, and that show has

2338
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:41,800
Speaker 2: been shown for years for years, for decades, and.

2339
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 3: The show it sounds like and he is not one

2340
01:51:45,200 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 3: of those people that is even admitting that he was

2341
01:51:48,680 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 3: wrong or anything. He told the Star Tribute by email,

2342
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 3: I put my hand on a woman's bare back. I

2343
01:51:55,080 --> 01:51:57,960
Speaker 3: mean to pat her back after she told me about

2344
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 3: her happiness, and her shirt was open in my head

2345
01:52:00,040 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 3: and went up about six inches.

2346
01:52:01,800 --> 01:52:03,600
Speaker 4: He would call, I apologize.

2347
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:06,080
Speaker 3: I send her email of apology later and she replied

2348
01:52:06,120 --> 01:52:07,680
Speaker 3: to she forgiving me and not to think about it.

2349
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,320
Speaker 4: We were friends. We continue to be friendly, right up until.

2350
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:13,720
Speaker 3: Her lawyer called it's astonishing that fifty years of hard

2351
01:52:13,760 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 3: work can be trashed in the morning by accusation. She

2352
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,760
Speaker 3: said in Facebook post Wednesday evening. I always believe in

2353
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 3: hard work and now feel so the meaningless. Only a

2354
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,040
Speaker 3: friend can hurt you this badly. I think I have

2355
01:52:23,120 --> 01:52:24,680
Speaker 3: to leave the country in order to walk around in

2356
01:52:24,720 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 3: public and not feel accusing glances.

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01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 2: Does he do not even know he look like well,

2358
01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 2: I don't A lot of white folks do. Like He's

2359
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 2: in the realm that most of us don't deal with.

2360
01:52:33,800 --> 01:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Like I said, I listened to him on NPR and

2361
01:52:37,640 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 2: some of the stories are interesting, but overall it's just

2362
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 2: not my cup of tea. But yeah, he literally would

2363
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 2: travel all around the country for those of you don't know,

2364
01:52:44,200 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 2: because when you listen to the radio show they would do.

2365
01:52:47,400 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 2: All his shit would be live and you would hear

2366
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 2: people cheering, they would have actors, they would be at

2367
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 2: this auditorium and that auditorium, and.

2368
01:52:55,160 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 4: It would be sold out.

2369
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 2: So I tell you he's big in a lot of

2370
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,640
Speaker 2: those white people. Rim. He's been doing this shit for

2371
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 2: like fifty years, so you know, forty fifty years, so

2372
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,600
Speaker 2: he's been around for a very fucking long time. So

2373
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:08,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people know who he is. You know,

2374
01:53:08,680 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 2: he's got a state for his self, and I could

2375
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:13,280
Speaker 2: see him having to quote unquote lead the country because

2376
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 2: it's like you said, all those social story coats and

2377
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:16,839
Speaker 2: people gonna look at him like mm mmm.

2378
01:53:17,439 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 4: He ain't gonta leave a country. I know he talking

2379
01:53:19,479 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 4: about he'll be all right.

2380
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, yeah, he'll be all right. When I

2381
01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:23,479
Speaker 2: mean he got to the country. He gotta leave the

2382
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 2: country for his own consciousness.

2383
01:53:24,920 --> 01:53:26,800
Speaker 3: He is trying to make himself feel bad and try

2384
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 3: and make everybody feel sad. Long he don't have to

2385
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 3: leave the country. He don't have to leave a country.

2386
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 3: This shit happened too much. Like there's a not to

2387
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 3: be cynical, but there's a certain level of shit where

2388
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:38,240
Speaker 3: it's like it's so common. I don't even know why

2389
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:41,920
Speaker 3: people tripping that hard. Like the offenders like they feel

2390
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 3: so sad for these dudes. I'm like, y'all, do realize

2391
01:53:44,360 --> 01:53:46,840
Speaker 3: that it's twenty seven of these dudes y'all feel sad

2392
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 3: for at this point, He'll be y'all really don't care.

2393
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:50,760
Speaker 4: He'll be fine.

2394
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,720
Speaker 3: He could go start his own show or taking show

2395
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:55,280
Speaker 3: somewhere else if you want it correct. If you can

2396
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 3: probably just take a shit to a premium play, pay

2397
01:53:57,880 --> 01:54:00,680
Speaker 3: for a platform and be just fine. Bill o'reiley did

2398
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 3: just that, And I don't know if he made more

2399
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 3: money that That was your boy, Glenn Beck.

2400
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 4: Bill O'Reilly did just that, just kept taking with his lives.

2401
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,679
Speaker 4: He don't give a fuck m M. But we always

2402
01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 4: make it sound like these niggas going to jail or

2403
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 4: some shit. Nothing's gonna happen to you.

2404
01:54:15,400 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody gonna fuck you up in person, whether it

2405
01:54:18,120 --> 01:54:19,840
Speaker 3: should happen or not. You're gonna be able to go

2406
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:22,559
Speaker 3: anywhere you want to do whatever, you want. He later

2407
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 3: deleted the public comment, then, in a post on to

2408
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,120
Speaker 3: his Facebook friends, including some journalists, said that he had

2409
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 3: a good conversation with my dear friend who I'm married to,

2410
01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:31,920
Speaker 3: on the subject of what do we really need in life?

2411
01:54:31,960 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 4: It's very simple.

2412
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 3: I need her, and I need to have work to do,

2413
01:54:35,480 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 3: and I need to live someplace where we can both

2414
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:39,280
Speaker 3: be happy. Have about ten years of work to do

2415
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 3: sitting in my computer. I want to write a couple movies,

2416
01:54:41,840 --> 01:54:45,560
Speaker 3: write a weekly column, preferably humorous, write a book called Gratitude.

2417
01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 4: I think we should move east and leave the past behind.

2418
01:54:48,480 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that he already got plans to move on.

2419
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 2: He will be just fine.

2420
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lead a country. You're gonna lead a country

2421
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 4: and write a couple of movies.

2422
01:54:55,960 --> 01:54:58,800
Speaker 3: Brouh. So you planning on re entering public life and

2423
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 3: being like this, this is all that happened. Keep in mind,

2424
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:04,600
Speaker 3: we still haven't heard what he was accused of. We've

2425
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 3: only heard his version of what he was accused of.

2426
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,640
Speaker 3: How many people will run with that and be like, Wow,

2427
01:55:08,800 --> 01:55:10,480
Speaker 3: all he did was pad a woman on the back,

2428
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 3: And I can't believe this happened to him, Like, let

2429
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 3: me tell y'all something while these fucking y'all let me.

2430
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:20,640
Speaker 3: Let me say this, while these fucking accusations come as

2431
01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 3: news to us, companies.

2432
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 4: Don't make moves based off of one fucking thing.

2433
01:55:26,200 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 3: Their only news to us because we people have protected

2434
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:32,600
Speaker 3: these people's secrets for so long, or people have had

2435
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:35,640
Speaker 3: grace and been like, I'm gonna just LEGI slide and

2436
01:55:35,800 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 3: it's adding up or no one will believe me, so

2437
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 3: why would I say anything anyway, By the time a

2438
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 3: Matt Lower gets fired, you know, I mean, fucking people

2439
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:45,200
Speaker 3: have had to complain. Right by the time they let

2440
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,600
Speaker 3: girls and keeler go, they're not doing this shit because

2441
01:55:47,600 --> 01:55:50,520
Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, he touched someone's back in nineteen ninety

2442
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:52,360
Speaker 3: one and she just told us about it yesterday, So

2443
01:55:52,480 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 3: we said he gotta go. It's gonna I guarantee you

2444
01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a lit me a motherfucker's coming out, like, Yo, this.

2445
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,040
Speaker 4: Nigga did this, he said Dad, he was doing And

2446
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 4: it's the people.

2447
01:56:01,160 --> 01:56:04,760
Speaker 3: That's how it always works, you know, when the companies

2448
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:06,600
Speaker 3: end up in a bad position because they can't really

2449
01:56:06,680 --> 01:56:09,280
Speaker 3: air this nigga out, like we let him go because

2450
01:56:09,320 --> 01:56:12,640
Speaker 3: fifteen people being complaining and and we didn't do anything,

2451
01:56:13,320 --> 01:56:15,040
Speaker 3: which is what I wanted to resaying on say, shit,

2452
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:17,560
Speaker 3: we didn't do anything for ten years, and this is

2453
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:19,720
Speaker 3: finally too much. That's they don't want say that. So

2454
01:56:19,760 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 3: they just gonna be like we had to go, and

2455
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 3: we don't talk about private employment.

2456
01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. Although he stepped away from there, he.

2457
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 3: Will remain a producer credit and continue to record his

2458
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,320
Speaker 3: daily feature, The Writer's Almanac, for syndication by NPR's distribution

2459
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 3: on Saint Paul based American Public Media. Yeah, so they

2460
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:42,040
Speaker 3: ain't doing nothing but moving shifting them, shifting them around

2461
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 3: a little bit. You can't be on here with your

2462
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:47,760
Speaker 3: name and your face out right. But he gonna still

2463
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:49,280
Speaker 3: do his daily feature, the Writers out on that.

2464
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 4: Y'all cool with that. NPR said it would halt the feature.

2465
01:56:53,160 --> 01:56:57,000
Speaker 3: It also would separate itself from Pretty Good Goods online Catadall,

2466
01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:59,920
Speaker 3: which sells his merchandise, and the website Prairie Home.

2467
01:57:00,800 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 2: Oh so basically they're gonna halt that.

2468
01:57:03,600 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 3: Although he stepped away from there, he retained his producer

2469
01:57:06,800 --> 01:57:10,720
Speaker 3: credit and continued to record his daily feature for syndication.

2470
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 3: Oh so, I guess he recorded and they say they're

2471
01:57:12,520 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 3: not gonna put it out right, but it's.

2472
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:15,840
Speaker 2: Not like they was gonna do that. And then they

2473
01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, we gotta cut all We

2474
01:57:17,800 --> 01:57:19,960
Speaker 2: got officially cut all ties with you.

2475
01:57:20,440 --> 01:57:22,920
Speaker 4: I'm in shock. The new host still road on Twitter.

2476
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 3: I know nothing beyond what's contained in the NPR statement,

2477
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,040
Speaker 3: but I trusted the proper steps of being taken. The

2478
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 3: Prairie Home Team is in New York City for three

2479
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:31,360
Speaker 3: weekends or live shows.

2480
01:57:31,400 --> 01:57:34,960
Speaker 4: Again. It's Saturday. Add Tommy representatives refuse.

2481
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,040
Speaker 3: A comment, but Owaii Public Radio email said the working

2482
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 3: title is now The Chrystial Show, and this host will

2483
01:57:39,840 --> 01:57:42,120
Speaker 3: address the situation in this monologue Saturday.

2484
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 4: I don't know what he said.

2485
01:57:43,960 --> 01:57:45,520
Speaker 2: I don't know because this is the new host because

2486
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 2: they did a transitional changes. So it's one of them

2487
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,720
Speaker 2: things where they was like, look, we can't use that name,

2488
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 2: but we used the name because it was easier to

2489
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:53,360
Speaker 2: use the name because it was kind of a staple

2490
01:57:53,480 --> 01:57:55,440
Speaker 2: like McDonald's. You know, we don't want to change the

2491
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:58,080
Speaker 2: naxt mcdonaldal's. Everybody know what the punk McDonald's is. But

2492
01:57:58,120 --> 01:57:59,880
Speaker 2: now they're like, fuck it, we got to reboot basic.

2493
01:58:00,520 --> 01:58:03,200
Speaker 3: Keeler later posted a statement on his website that said,

2494
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 3: I've been fired over a story. I think it's more

2495
01:58:05,400 --> 01:58:08,560
Speaker 3: interesting and more complicated than the virgin NPR heard most

2496
01:58:08,600 --> 01:58:11,640
Speaker 3: stories are. It's some sort of poetic irony to be

2497
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 3: knocked out the airbos story, having told so many of

2498
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:16,760
Speaker 3: them myself. But I'm seventy five and don't have any

2499
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:20,160
Speaker 3: interest in arguing about this, and I cannot can you imagine?

2500
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:24,960
Speaker 3: Can you imagine it? Being like I just ain't even

2501
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 3: gonna argue about being a huge as sexual So I

2502
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:28,640
Speaker 3: don't know.

2503
01:58:28,760 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 4: It's just too much caing Caine be bothered.

2504
01:58:31,920 --> 01:58:34,440
Speaker 3: I cannot un conscious bring danger or to a great

2505
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 3: organization I worked hard Forss nineteen sixty nine. I'm sorry

2506
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:39,600
Speaker 3: for all the poets whose work I won't be reading

2507
01:58:39,640 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 3: on the radio, and sorry for the people who will

2508
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:44,000
Speaker 3: lose work on account of this. But my profound feeling

2509
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:46,160
Speaker 3: is that of gratitude, especially to my wife Jenny, and

2510
01:58:46,200 --> 01:58:48,760
Speaker 3: for this painful experience has brought us even closer together.

2511
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 3: He and Jenny nilsen Is. She's a violinist from the

2512
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 3: Minnesota Opera. They've been marrison Is nineteen ninety five. It

2513
01:58:54,520 --> 01:59:06,080
Speaker 3: is his third marriage. So yeah, I don't know, I

2514
01:59:06,200 --> 01:59:07,720
Speaker 3: still don't see the accusation.

2515
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:15,000
Speaker 4: Oh. He also wrote a column defending al Franken uh

2516
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 4: that this week, So that sounds kind of weird. Uh Yeah.

2517
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 3: What's funny is they still haven't put the accusations out though,

2518
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 3: at least that I see, Like that's not even a

2519
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:27,920
Speaker 3: link to him.

2520
01:59:28,720 --> 01:59:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't miss it. Yeah, they just this is all

2521
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,720
Speaker 4: from his side and n PR side. What is on

2522
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:36,880
Speaker 4: startributing dot com?

2523
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah huh, it said beyond the statement that they were

2524
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:45,120
Speaker 3: they would not comment beyond the statement saying they're notified

2525
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 3: last month of allegations relating to his conduct while he

2526
01:59:48,120 --> 01:59:49,680
Speaker 3: was responsible for reducing PHC.

2527
01:59:50,160 --> 01:59:50,440
Speaker 4: That's it.

2528
01:59:51,680 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 3: So hm interesting somebody gonna tell anyway he got to

2529
01:59:57,600 --> 02:00:03,000
Speaker 3: the trash with him peace. I'm trying to imagine telling

2530
02:00:03,080 --> 02:00:05,400
Speaker 3: somebody I just can't even be bothered with this ship

2531
02:00:05,520 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 3: man like y'all really gonna make me defend my reputation,

2532
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:14,840
Speaker 3: like just whatever, I'll just leave there us out here,

2533
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 3: try and make it sound like I did something. All right,

2534
02:00:17,840 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 3: Let's try to do something fun before we leave, guys,

2535
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 3: all right, let's do.

2536
02:00:22,240 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 4: Let's do a little bit of a guest the race.

2537
02:00:25,600 --> 02:00:29,960
Speaker 4: How about that? Now that it is time for some

2538
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:36,120
Speaker 4: guest star race. That's right. It's guest star race time. Now,

2539
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 4: that is time for some guest star race. That's right,

2540
02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:44,400
Speaker 4: it's guest star race time. That's right.

2541
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:47,720
Speaker 3: It's time for guests the race. The number one game

2542
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 3: t going across all the podcasts. Man, we read to

2543
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:50,840
Speaker 3: play news arts all over the globe, and we asked

2544
02:00:50,840 --> 02:00:54,000
Speaker 3: our contestants today caring in the chat room to guests

2545
02:00:55,400 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 3: race and of course the uh chat rooman hair and

2546
02:01:00,200 --> 02:01:00,680
Speaker 3: a racist.

2547
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:02,960
Speaker 4: All right, let's get into it.

2548
02:01:03,480 --> 02:01:07,680
Speaker 3: A woman twenty six years old chopped off her boyfriend's

2549
02:01:07,720 --> 02:01:10,680
Speaker 3: penis with garden chers during a sex game.

2550
02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:16,520
Speaker 4: Oh no, what's happening? I forget that story, forget that story.

2551
02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:19,120
Speaker 4: A boy, a boy. We'll go to another one, y'all.

2552
02:01:19,200 --> 02:01:21,000
Speaker 2: Look. I was like, wait a minute, we can take

2553
02:01:21,040 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 2: a screen.

2554
02:01:21,640 --> 02:01:22,880
Speaker 4: Y'all are all gonna get that right?

2555
02:01:23,120 --> 02:01:23,240
Speaker 2: Right?

2556
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 3: I will try a different one. A New Hampshire woman

2557
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,880
Speaker 3: is charged with burning her roommates ferret in the oven faerreit.

2558
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:36,880
Speaker 3: The bird fairre is not a bird fare It looks

2559
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:41,200
Speaker 3: like a prairie dog. Okay, which will be a prairie home.

2560
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:45,480
Speaker 4: Huh ferreit.

2561
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:47,440
Speaker 2: I was thinking parrot.

2562
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:48,480
Speaker 4: My bad.

2563
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:50,040
Speaker 2: That's why I said like a bird.

2564
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 4: That's an interesting way to get to that conclusion.

2565
02:01:53,520 --> 02:02:00,560
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, anyway, police are accusing Okay, all right, it's

2566
02:02:00,600 --> 02:02:02,480
Speaker 3: hard didn't know you when you just I can't even

2567
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:02,760
Speaker 3: read the.

2568
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 4: Story to move on, So I wait till you get

2569
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 4: it out of the system. You go ahead, sure, yes,

2570
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:11,000
Speaker 4: all right.

2571
02:02:11,520 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 3: Police are accusing a New Hampshire woman of her roommates

2572
02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 3: pet ferret, which was found dead in a smoke field oven.

2573
02:02:21,800 --> 02:02:24,040
Speaker 3: Manchester Police said they got a call around two forty

2574
02:02:24,080 --> 02:02:27,560
Speaker 3: am Wednesday about smoking the apartment caused by a burned

2575
02:02:27,600 --> 02:02:33,920
Speaker 3: item in the oven. Mmmmm mmm uh that sounds more

2576
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 3: less like a burned item and a burned pet. A

2577
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 3: friend even, I hope they were able to ferre it

2578
02:02:42,480 --> 02:02:46,880
Speaker 3: out what happened to it. Firefighters cleared the building and

2579
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:51,000
Speaker 3: found the ferret. Two people who rented the apartment said

2580
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,400
Speaker 3: they owned the ferret and they had a temporary guest.

2581
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:57,640
Speaker 3: Let me guess who burned it. Police say twenty six.

2582
02:02:57,600 --> 02:03:00,520
Speaker 4: Year old Evona Clifford on one count of animal cruelty.

2583
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:04,240
Speaker 4: She was arrested. She was scheduled to be arraind Wednesday afternoon.

2584
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:05,920
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't immediately known that she had a

2585
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 3: lawyer of phone number could not be found for her.

2586
02:03:08,640 --> 02:03:12,520
Speaker 4: Guess the race of Avonna. What was her name, Avanna Clifford.

2587
02:03:13,320 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 3: Oh, white chars going white. Let's check the chat room

2588
02:03:15,880 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 3: and see what you guys believe. The whites love to

2589
02:03:21,200 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 3: rescue raccoons of ferrets. White does not taste like chicken.

2590
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:28,080
Speaker 4: White. That ferret wasn't even seasoned. White.

2591
02:03:30,680 --> 02:03:49,240
Speaker 3: White them folks white. The correct answer is white. Yeah,

2592
02:03:49,240 --> 02:03:51,640
Speaker 3: I guess it's like the burning the bunny, but with

2593
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:55,640
Speaker 3: a ferret. They say ferris make good pets. They're really smart.

2594
02:03:56,560 --> 02:04:04,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they make good prairie home opinions. Uh, that's

2595
02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 3: her picture that didn't show up yet.

2596
02:04:06,200 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 2: I don't see it yet.

2597
02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,880
Speaker 4: Okay, let me see. We go over there.

2598
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh look at the ferry. Gotta hold her.

2599
02:04:13,880 --> 02:04:20,080
Speaker 3: Hair, right, she got that that I'll burn your ferry hair. Friday,

2600
02:04:20,480 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 3: they was letting us dad at the crib. I wonder

2601
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,600
Speaker 3: what happened to make her burn the fucking Is that

2602
02:04:24,680 --> 02:04:27,879
Speaker 3: a week? I don't think so that's all her girl.

2603
02:04:28,200 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 2: Mmmmm mm hmm. That's why she was like, Oh, you're

2604
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 2: gonna fuck my hair.

2605
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna burn the hell out of you, Avonna Clifford.

2606
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:38,240
Speaker 3: Let's see what else you got here?

2607
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:45,600
Speaker 4: How about how about this one?

2608
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:52,080
Speaker 3: A woman is accused of swapping barcodes at Walmart, and

2609
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:56,200
Speaker 3: she paid three dollars and seventy cents for eighteen hundred

2610
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:57,600
Speaker 3: dollars worth of electronics.

2611
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:01,040
Speaker 4: Oh m hm electronics.

2612
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:04,000
Speaker 3: A Florida woman was arrested on Monday after attending to

2613
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,400
Speaker 3: carry out one of the most interesting rivalries we've ever seen.

2614
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:09,760
Speaker 3: Cheyenne Amber West, a twenty five year old mother from

2615
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:13,600
Speaker 3: Fort Pierce, was charged with felony grand theft and felony

2616
02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:16,840
Speaker 3: shoplifting after she set she rang up eighteen hundred and

2617
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:19,840
Speaker 3: twenty four dollars worth of electronics for just three dollars

2618
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:21,960
Speaker 3: and seventy cent at a Walmart self checkout.

2619
02:05:22,440 --> 02:05:23,360
Speaker 4: The suspect that her.

2620
02:05:23,280 --> 02:05:26,240
Speaker 3: Mom, Alicia West, allegedly picked up several high priced items

2621
02:05:26,280 --> 02:05:29,720
Speaker 3: from the stores electronic department, including video games and the laptop,

2622
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:32,680
Speaker 3: covered up the barcodes the stickers of merchandise from the

2623
02:05:32,680 --> 02:05:37,960
Speaker 3: store's clearance department. A lost prevention officer at Walmart took

2624
02:05:38,040 --> 02:05:40,480
Speaker 3: notice of the pair and stopped them before they made.

2625
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:42,360
Speaker 4: Off with the discount of goods. Quote unquote.

2626
02:05:42,680 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 3: I am just trying to get gifts from my son

2627
02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:50,320
Speaker 3: that I came Afford West Total responding deputy, Yeah, I

2628
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,560
Speaker 3: guess that's one. I guess she was trying to do that.

2629
02:05:54,600 --> 02:05:56,880
Speaker 3: The computer is for my husband, since he just got

2630
02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,600
Speaker 3: me a coach purse. I did he pay for a person.

2631
02:06:00,320 --> 02:06:02,640
Speaker 3: I figure he deserves something nice as well. West is

2632
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:05,400
Speaker 3: currently being held in Indian River County Jail in Florida

2633
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 3: for three three thousand dollars bond.

2634
02:06:10,640 --> 02:06:12,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it must have been a nice perse.

2635
02:06:13,080 --> 02:06:16,280
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta give her that, guess the race

2636
02:06:16,440 --> 02:06:20,280
Speaker 3: of Cheyenne Amber West Black.

2637
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,240
Speaker 4: Here's going with black? Let me check the chat room. Stee,

2638
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:28,160
Speaker 4: what they say? Why is there a picture coming up? There?

2639
02:06:28,240 --> 02:06:31,960
Speaker 4: We go, pas, there we go? All right, cool.

2640
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:34,120
Speaker 3: Let me see what you guys think in the chat room.

2641
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:38,240
Speaker 3: They just they watched black folks too much to have

2642
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:40,400
Speaker 3: gotten away with this white. But they didn't take me

2643
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:43,200
Speaker 3: to get away with it. My personal hero assist about

2644
02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:43,720
Speaker 3: that bargain.

2645
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:44,000
Speaker 4: Black.

2646
02:06:44,080 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 3: It was black Friday Black. She's white black, So I

2647
02:06:47,480 --> 02:06:50,040
Speaker 3: can't get this for free, black as fuck. I'm gonna

2648
02:06:50,080 --> 02:06:51,280
Speaker 3: full I'm gonna fill up this.

2649
02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:52,280
Speaker 4: Plastic tub with meat.

2650
02:06:52,360 --> 02:06:55,960
Speaker 3: Black big, big ball of brand. Appreciate us, never lost,

2651
02:06:56,640 --> 02:06:59,160
Speaker 3: never lost, she lost her freedom. That response was extra

2652
02:06:59,240 --> 02:07:03,400
Speaker 3: white trying to operate the self checkout scanned white, wouldn't

2653
02:07:03,400 --> 02:07:07,680
Speaker 3: stop the white person white. No one names their child

2654
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,440
Speaker 3: after a city of Montana, but white folks.

2655
02:07:10,840 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 4: The correct answer is white. Some of y'all did miss it, though.

2656
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 3: Yep, that's her right there, trying to get away with

2657
02:07:42,680 --> 02:07:44,240
Speaker 3: that that bullshit.

2658
02:07:44,720 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you think they got cameras?

2659
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:49,040
Speaker 3: But but that seen you swapped them labels eighteen hundred

2660
02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:51,920
Speaker 3: dollars for three dollars, a six seventy you catch you?

2661
02:07:52,040 --> 02:07:53,600
Speaker 2: Come on, you ain't walking at the front door in

2662
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 2: no fucking computer for three dollars.

2663
02:07:55,320 --> 02:08:09,560
Speaker 4: And change bus round saying the double up, saying the

2664
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 4: race sor right, double the points, double the race, and

2665
02:08:12,400 --> 02:08:13,600
Speaker 4: the bonus round. I guess the race.

2666
02:08:13,680 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 3: So far, everybody is just about two for two except

2667
02:08:19,080 --> 02:08:21,280
Speaker 3: for a couple of y'all, and we did a terrible,

2668
02:08:21,520 --> 02:08:24,240
Speaker 3: terrible job. But the rest of y'all two for two, man,

2669
02:08:24,360 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 3: So let's see if we can keep it sweet going

2670
02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:28,320
Speaker 3: Karents two for two?

2671
02:08:30,160 --> 02:08:32,320
Speaker 4: Okay, that one that article is no longer all right.

2672
02:08:32,360 --> 02:08:41,680
Speaker 4: Let's see. Let's try another one. How about this one?

2673
02:08:43,160 --> 02:08:44,360
Speaker 4: You one and one? You missed one?

2674
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said black for the first one.

2675
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:48,960
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh for the second one. Okay, I thought you

2676
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:52,600
Speaker 4: said white, my bad one and one. Look at you

2677
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:53,400
Speaker 4: being all honest.

2678
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:55,280
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think that's right.

2679
02:08:55,720 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 3: This man hid in the woods for ten years to

2680
02:08:57,800 --> 02:08:59,080
Speaker 3: escape a bad relationship.

2681
02:09:00,040 --> 02:09:01,960
Speaker 4: Malcolm Applegate, sixty two.

2682
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 2: White Applegate went to strict.

2683
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 3: Okay, it was a diag give away for some reason,

2684
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. Applegate was a racist name, was a

2685
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:16,200
Speaker 3: white name. Alligate left his wife when he's sixty two.

2686
02:09:16,200 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 3: He went to extreme manager measures to get out of

2687
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:20,440
Speaker 3: the way. He disguised a controller relationship. He left his

2688
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:23,200
Speaker 3: wife for the woods one day, without telling anyone that

2689
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:26,120
Speaker 3: he lived there for five years, staying hidding for a

2690
02:09:26,160 --> 02:09:29,520
Speaker 3: total of ten Oh. Shit, must have had one of

2691
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:33,200
Speaker 3: those six robots up there. I camped in thick Woodland

2692
02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:35,760
Speaker 3: near Kingston and made that home for five years while

2693
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:38,320
Speaker 3: maintaining the gardens at a local community center for the elderly.

2694
02:09:38,440 --> 02:09:41,760
Speaker 3: He said gardening is what started the problems in this marriage.

2695
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:43,400
Speaker 3: He says his wife didn't want him work in so

2696
02:09:43,480 --> 02:09:45,880
Speaker 3: many hours and would get upset over any time he

2697
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:49,040
Speaker 3: spent outside of the house. The controlling behavior started to

2698
02:09:49,080 --> 02:09:50,760
Speaker 3: get out of hand and she demanded that I cut

2699
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:52,760
Speaker 3: my hours. After a long time trying to stay in

2700
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:55,400
Speaker 3: the marriage, I decided to leave for good. He set

2701
02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:59,200
Speaker 3: out to Birmingham, United Kingdom to London by bicycle, later

2702
02:09:59,320 --> 02:10:02,200
Speaker 3: on foot. At the his bike was stolen. The journey

2703
02:10:02,200 --> 02:10:08,160
Speaker 3: took nearly three weeks. Applegate eventually moved into euma's Greenwich Center,

2704
02:10:08,640 --> 02:10:11,040
Speaker 3: a South London homeless shelter which he worked where he

2705
02:10:11,080 --> 02:10:13,240
Speaker 3: worked odd jobs and raised money for the homeless in

2706
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:16,320
Speaker 3: his spare time. My day to day involved working in

2707
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:18,880
Speaker 3: the shop to or driving the vans. I'm not fussy

2708
02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:20,840
Speaker 3: what job's given to me as long as I'm working.

2709
02:10:21,400 --> 02:10:23,920
Speaker 3: Family and friends had no idea what happened to himuntil

2710
02:10:23,920 --> 02:10:26,280
Speaker 3: he finally broke his silence to his sister. I've been

2711
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:28,360
Speaker 3: It had been a decade since our last center, and

2712
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 3: in that time she had been to all of the

2713
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,040
Speaker 3: Salvation Army hostels in the South trying to find me.

2714
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:35,880
Speaker 4: I think she assumed I was dead.

2715
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 3: I wrote her letter once I was settled in Greenwich,

2716
02:10:39,080 --> 02:10:41,600
Speaker 3: and she phoned me up in flood of flood of tears.

2717
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:44,520
Speaker 4: We now have a great relationship. Again. There's no word

2718
02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:45,440
Speaker 4: about his wife though.

2719
02:10:46,080 --> 02:10:49,320
Speaker 3: I like the people who donate to ama Emos to

2720
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:51,800
Speaker 3: know that I'm grateful for being given a second chance

2721
02:10:51,880 --> 02:10:52,280
Speaker 3: at life.

2722
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:58,240
Speaker 4: Like you, what are you talking?

2723
02:10:58,360 --> 02:10:58,400
Speaker 2: You?

2724
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:02,880
Speaker 4: You used them in their money? Like you didn't have

2725
02:11:03,040 --> 02:11:03,600
Speaker 4: to do any of this.

2726
02:11:03,720 --> 02:11:05,560
Speaker 3: She could have just got a divorce if you want

2727
02:11:05,600 --> 02:11:08,200
Speaker 3: it that bad. I have a lovely room, I'm able

2728
02:11:08,280 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 3: to work, and I can still lead an act of

2729
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:10,240
Speaker 3: social life.

2730
02:11:10,280 --> 02:11:10,720
Speaker 4: I love it here.

2731
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:13,520
Speaker 3: My life is officially back on track. That poor woman,

2732
02:11:14,440 --> 02:11:18,280
Speaker 3: I guess the race. Can you say white chack, yes, chat.

2733
02:11:18,120 --> 02:11:20,480
Speaker 2: Room, apple tree, apple bottom, whatever his name is?

2734
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:21,760
Speaker 4: He white applegate.

2735
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:25,640
Speaker 3: All right, let's check the lived in the woods for

2736
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:27,960
Speaker 3: ten years. White didn't want him to work too hard.

2737
02:11:28,040 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 3: White hid in the woods for ten years, That is white,

2738
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 3: a long time bear Grills would be proud of that

2739
02:11:34,640 --> 02:11:38,080
Speaker 3: white man looking for Robin hood. White. Ain't no nigga

2740
02:11:38,160 --> 02:11:39,960
Speaker 3: heading in the woods for ten years. Hide in the

2741
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:40,800
Speaker 3: woods for ten years.

2742
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:44,400
Speaker 4: They would hang out in their mama's basement. White white.

2743
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:48,160
Speaker 4: The correct answer is, and everyone gets the same thing.

2744
02:11:48,400 --> 02:12:05,000
Speaker 4: You got it right. He's white. That's terrible.

2745
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:06,680
Speaker 2: Men.

2746
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:11,280
Speaker 4: You know he want a sex robot. Can't wait. I

2747
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:11,960
Speaker 4: can't wait to.

2748
02:12:11,960 --> 02:12:14,520
Speaker 3: Get him a sex robot just somewhere sitting around like

2749
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:18,240
Speaker 3: these the only problem with women. They be talking women

2750
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:21,280
Speaker 3: and she just didn't want to work that hard, and

2751
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:24,360
Speaker 3: he was like, fuck that. I'd rather drive or ride

2752
02:12:24,440 --> 02:12:28,560
Speaker 3: a bike three weeks and get it stolen and then

2753
02:12:28,640 --> 02:12:31,640
Speaker 3: not talk to you for ten years and live off

2754
02:12:31,680 --> 02:12:35,040
Speaker 3: of other people's donations than to say to you, I

2755
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:39,120
Speaker 3: won't out of this relationship, right mm mmmm anyway, that's him.

2756
02:12:40,680 --> 02:12:42,960
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the last thing. Guys, do

2757
02:12:43,080 --> 02:12:47,240
Speaker 3: some sored ratchiness. We went a little long today, but I.

2758
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:51,200
Speaker 4: Didn't mind it. I hope you guys enjoyed it. All Right,

2759
02:12:51,280 --> 02:12:51,600
Speaker 4: here we go.

2760
02:12:53,200 --> 02:12:54,800
Speaker 3: There's a lot of trash to take out the day,

2761
02:12:54,880 --> 02:13:12,720
Speaker 3: so it was Here's what it is. I keep laughing

2762
02:13:12,760 --> 02:13:15,280
Speaker 3: to myself about Garrison Quiller. Can you imagine a world

2763
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:18,640
Speaker 3: where all you did was touch a woman's bare back

2764
02:13:19,200 --> 02:13:23,360
Speaker 3: by accident a little too high, and she forgave you,

2765
02:13:23,680 --> 02:13:25,640
Speaker 3: and you apologize even though you said it was nothing,

2766
02:13:26,720 --> 02:13:28,720
Speaker 3: and that's why you got fired. Can you imagine that

2767
02:13:28,800 --> 02:13:32,640
Speaker 3: we lived in that world? Can you imagine? I can't

2768
02:13:32,680 --> 02:13:35,440
Speaker 3: even fucking imagine that we we don't live in that

2769
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 3: world yet, what did he really do? I cannot wait

2770
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:41,800
Speaker 3: till the tea drops on him, cause I i'm'na be

2771
02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:45,720
Speaker 3: looking for his shit, cause yeah, this shit always finds

2772
02:13:45,760 --> 02:13:48,000
Speaker 3: its way to me anyway or whatever, but i'm'a be

2773
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:50,880
Speaker 3: looking for his shit specifically, cause I I guarantee you

2774
02:13:51,000 --> 02:13:52,960
Speaker 3: it this the other side of the story is not

2775
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,440
Speaker 3: that shit. Well, you know, I just feel uncomfortable with

2776
02:13:55,960 --> 02:13:58,720
Speaker 3: he touched my back too high, and I think even

2777
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 3: though it was let's see twenty seventeen, nineteen ninety one,

2778
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:06,000
Speaker 3: it was like twenty six years ago, twenty five years ago,

2779
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,040
Speaker 3: I think he should be fired today. And I just

2780
02:14:08,120 --> 02:14:11,200
Speaker 3: wanted y'all to know that that's it. And NPR was like, hmm,

2781
02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:14,960
Speaker 3: you're right, we're gonna fire this nigga. Yep, No, well't

2782
02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:18,520
Speaker 3: need no more Nope, we will need no more evidence, nothing. Nope,

2783
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 3: that's it.

2784
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:21,680
Speaker 4: That's that's all. He's gone.

2785
02:14:23,680 --> 02:14:25,680
Speaker 3: Like, we'll all be shocked if that weve gotten to

2786
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:27,480
Speaker 3: that point, we'll all be shocked together.

2787
02:14:27,960 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 4: We all be shocked together.

2788
02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:31,920
Speaker 3: But when you let the person who's accused kind of

2789
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:34,160
Speaker 3: paint the narrative, they're never gonna come out and say

2790
02:14:34,600 --> 02:14:35,520
Speaker 3: that that's what it was.

2791
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:36,480
Speaker 2: You know.

2792
02:14:37,040 --> 02:14:38,920
Speaker 4: Anyway, we'll see.

2793
02:14:39,640 --> 02:14:41,240
Speaker 3: A man was arrested after he pulled out a sword

2794
02:14:41,320 --> 02:14:44,800
Speaker 3: during the argument on Thanksgiving Day. Richard lengthen to him, uh,

2795
02:14:44,960 --> 02:14:48,720
Speaker 3: thirty five, he tried to call some turkeys from Jive

2796
02:14:48,840 --> 02:14:50,680
Speaker 3: Turkeys thirty.

2797
02:14:50,440 --> 02:14:52,240
Speaker 4: Four years old day for the sort out of one

2798
02:14:52,280 --> 02:14:53,600
Speaker 4: forty in the afternoon.

2799
02:14:54,320 --> 02:14:55,960
Speaker 2: Oh shit, right after the time.

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02:14:56,440 --> 02:14:58,080
Speaker 4: He must have been mad. It was gonna take a

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02:14:58,120 --> 02:14:58,840
Speaker 4: couple more hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Thanksgiving as all the day with the times that

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02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:01,560
Speaker 2: two and three.

2804
02:15:02,160 --> 02:15:04,880
Speaker 3: It was involved in a physical altercation with Daniel Blake

2805
02:15:05,960 --> 02:15:09,440
Speaker 3: Danielle Blake, who when he grabbed a loan and tallic

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02:15:09,480 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 3: sword and stuck struck Blake with the flat side Lengthicum

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02:15:14,160 --> 02:15:15,840
Speaker 3: later said they were arguing.

2808
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:18,880
Speaker 4: Over a drug deal made the day before. Going to

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02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:19,360
Speaker 4: a report.

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02:15:19,880 --> 02:15:22,280
Speaker 3: When asked if he used the sword to fight Lyngthicum

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02:15:22,360 --> 02:15:25,200
Speaker 3: said the sword's maybe going too far, but his action

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02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:33,240
Speaker 3: was justified. He faces aggravated battery a man. Okay, yeah, Now,

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02:15:33,320 --> 02:15:36,240
Speaker 3: according to the original story, they said he was arguing

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02:15:36,280 --> 02:15:38,680
Speaker 3: about a loaf of bread Thanksgiving morning and it took

2815
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:43,320
Speaker 3: a turn. Oh wait, no, this a different nigga that

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02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:44,920
Speaker 3: did this. He ain't had no sword, all right, Well

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02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:48,320
Speaker 3: fuck him then. Anyway, be careful out here, guys. Motherfucker's

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02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,800
Speaker 3: bringing stores to Thanksgiving. You know what I'm supposed to

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02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:52,040
Speaker 3: do with.

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02:15:52,080 --> 02:15:53,240
Speaker 2: That, you know?

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02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:55,680
Speaker 3: All right, guys, we'll talk to you all tomorrow. Thank

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02:15:55,720 --> 02:15:58,440
Speaker 3: you so much for listening to the show. Yes, so

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02:15:58,800 --> 02:16:00,880
Speaker 3: hope you enjoyed it until well then, I love you.

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Speaker 2: I love you too.