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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's row.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I am John Shmall, joined by front of the program.

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Speaker 2: He's been joining us for probably about a half a

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Speaker 2: decade now. Jordan Reid, who joined us from the mothership

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Speaker 2: over at ESPN. Jordan, what's up man?

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Speaker 3: What's going on? John? Thanks for having me so.

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Speaker 4: I was a pleasure joining you, and I always look

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Speaker 4: forward to our draft talks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we had fun hanging out there and Frisco and Mobile.

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Speaker 2: We saw each other down there. We'll have each other

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Speaker 2: on at the Combine in a few weeks. But I

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Speaker 2: thought this would be a good time just to talk

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Speaker 2: specifically about the guys we saw at the two All

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Speaker 2: Star Games. So let me start with the broad question

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Speaker 2: Senior Bowl, what was your favorite position group and why?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I had to be the Trenches.

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Speaker 4: That's what everybody was looking forward to coming into the event,

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Speaker 4: and I think it definitely did live up to the hype.

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Speaker 4: But the defensive line is really what stuck out to me.

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Speaker 4: And you've heard a million people say it that this

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Speaker 4: defensive line class is loaded. So I wanted to see

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Speaker 4: if it was going to live up to the hype,

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Speaker 4: and it definitely did. And we'll get into some guys

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Speaker 4: or later on in the pod, I should say, but

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Speaker 4: I mean, there was a plenty of guys that stood out,

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Speaker 4: and at these events, you want these projected first or

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Speaker 4: second round pick guys to really stand out and live

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Speaker 4: up to that billing.

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Speaker 3: And I thought a lot of guys did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I gotta be honest with you, And again

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Speaker 2: we'll get into the specific guys. I thought the offensive

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Speaker 2: line held up pretty well in spots too, for a

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Speaker 2: group that wasn't as highly touted, I thought they had

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Speaker 2: their fair share of wins.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, And you know, the interior line class

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Speaker 4: wasn't really praised a whole bunch coming to the event,

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Speaker 4: but there was some guys that definitely did play well.

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Speaker 4: But the offensive tackle class is the one that really

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Speaker 4: has been a little bit of a question mark, I

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Speaker 4: would say coming into the Senior Bowl, just because there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of guys that if they're a tackle, some

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Speaker 4: even going inside to center. So what I really wanted

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Speaker 4: to see really play out at the Senior Bowl specifically,

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Speaker 4: was who could hold up on an island and then

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Speaker 4: who looked more comfortable inside.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a great agree with you.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this going in that so many guys

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Speaker 2: of break that down first? I think that's interesting to me.

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Speaker 2: The guys that showed me I feel good about you

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Speaker 2: at tackle. I thought Anthony Belton from NC State looked

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Speaker 2: pretty comfortable out there. I thought Josh Connelly, despite that

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Speaker 2: with a one on one. I thought he looked pretty

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Speaker 2: Jonas Savanea I think he looked better at guard. Curious

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Speaker 2: Whyat Milim I think looked better at guard. Coming out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I think Connelly looked

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Speaker 4: You could see that he wasn't as stout as some

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Speaker 4: Marcus and Bow was really intriguing to me. I actually

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Speaker 4: He had some rough reps early on in the week,

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Speaker 4: about my grade with him at center. But you have

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Speaker 2: I am assuming Belton, you feel good about him at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one that I did not get to

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Speaker 4: he was outside a great Zabel. I thought he was

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Speaker 4: And I think he's a tackle all day long, even

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Speaker 3: I thought he had a really good week.

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Speaker 2: How about Ursery, because I think he has the strength

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Speaker 2: But some of the foot speed stuff, I think some

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Speaker 4: So the thing that I wrote about Ursery is that

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Speaker 4: He's just one of those guys that just gets the

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Speaker 4: But the power and just the length that he has,

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Speaker 4: showed that at the Senior Bowl. And once again, he's

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Speaker 3: Just gets the job done. Now, he's not going to

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Speaker 4: I think he's better in that mangat power downhill type

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Speaker 4: that's really where he is going to be made at

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Speaker 2: On the next level, the American team was stock full

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you had done your work on them already. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: which one of those small school guys you think really

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Speaker 4: He's a developmental prospect, but I thought he really held

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Speaker 4: And you look at his frame, he's everybody of six

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Speaker 3: But I mean he.

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Speaker 4: Looked the part. He looked just like all of his

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Speaker 4: to get better with him. I think that's something that

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Speaker 4: does need to improve with him over time. But you

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Speaker 2: Now, which guys from that group you can go tackle

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Speaker 2: or red your choice you think really shine the brightest?

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Speaker 3: Well, man, I'm just looking at my list here. There's

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Speaker 3: so many guys.

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Speaker 1: Let's use.

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Speaker 4: One that I did a lot of tape on but

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Speaker 4: hadn't seen in person, with Darius Alexander of Toledo.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he blew me away, John.

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Speaker 4: I was so impressed with him, and he played five technique,

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Speaker 4: He played some three technique and even slid inside and

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Speaker 4: played some one technique throughout the week as well. And

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Speaker 4: it didn't matter if it was the game, if it

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Speaker 4: inside drill, he stood out. I mean I noticed him

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Speaker 4: many different ways that you can use him, his hand power, his.

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Speaker 3: Ability to disrupt.

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Speaker 4: He can two gap, he can one gap, There's a

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Speaker 4: lot of things that he can do. And I think

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you about Darius Alexander Beiez. I marked

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Speaker 4: it's like, why do these guys not have more productions?

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Speaker 4: So that's very frequent on both of their tapes. So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Stuart, I saw that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Shamar Stewart's gonna be the highest drafted

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Speaker 4: I think it would be between him, Walter or Nole,

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Speaker 4: he was edged out of stone sixty five two hundred

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Speaker 2: All Right, the edge guy that we talked about when

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Speaker 2: I'm one of those a couple of guys that I thought,

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Speaker 2: That guy opened my eyes. I know, you know, the

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Speaker 2: But Jordan, I mean, he looked more of a physical

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Speaker 4: About, Yeah, he was one that I put a star

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Speaker 4: And what I love about these All Star games, John,

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Speaker 2: All right, this event is not tailored for a guy

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So I was talking to some scouts on the sideline

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Speaker 4: You want to hit on guys that you know you're

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Speaker 3: But you know they're gonna come in.

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Speaker 4: So you can tell that he loves the game and

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Speaker 3: As well.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has seen that friendic video about him going around

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that. A couple guys, Tyro Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Going in to the event, I thought he was a

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Speaker 4: He's one of those guys that's just a gamer, Like

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Speaker 3: I definitely could see that from him.

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Speaker 2: You know, he was there, he was fine, But those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and there are two players that really are in

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Speaker 4: how they what I call, differentiate themselves in the cluster

441
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,240
Speaker 4: of this talented edge group that we do have. So

442
00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,880
Speaker 4: those are two names to definitely keep an eye on

443
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Speaker 4: as far as how they do test at the combine.

444
00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:52,160
Speaker 2: And then finally up front, what am I supposed to

445
00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,800
Speaker 2: make a Dion Walker? I watched them over the summer.

446
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,560
Speaker 2: I watched his twenty twenty three tape, and I'm like,

447
00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:58,160
Speaker 2: this guy could be a top ten player, Like that's

448
00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,360
Speaker 2: how he looked like Dexter Lawrence to me. And I

449
00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,440
Speaker 2: don't say that lightly. I've seen Dexter Lawrence every day.

450
00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,280
Speaker 2: I know what that dude can do. That's what he

451
00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,560
Speaker 2: looked like in twenty twenty three. Then I went back

452
00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,439
Speaker 2: and I watched his tape about a month ago in

453
00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, and I'm like, this does not look

454
00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,239
Speaker 2: like the same dude. Then I figured, all right, he's

455
00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,280
Speaker 2: gonna show up at the Senior Bowl. He's that big,

456
00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,520
Speaker 2: he's that athletic. One on one, he's just gonna toss

457
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:18,919
Speaker 2: these guys around. And I'm watching Clay Webb, but I

458
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,359
Speaker 2: know he's from Georgia originally, but from Jacksonville State, like

459
00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,840
Speaker 2: just Stone in them at the line, I'm like, yeah,

460
00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,280
Speaker 2: is he just playing too high?

461
00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,439
Speaker 1: Is he out of shape? What's the deal with Deon Walker?

462
00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:30,480
Speaker 2: And how is a team going to convince themselves that

463
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Speaker 2: they can develop what's clearly a very physically talented guy

464
00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,919
Speaker 2: into a more productive and consistent player.

465
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,480
Speaker 4: He's gonna be one of the more polarizing prospects in

466
00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,439
Speaker 4: this year's class, and it's either you like him or

467
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,760
Speaker 4: you don't like him. There's really no in between with him,

468
00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,639
Speaker 4: And you're right. I thought the twenty twenty three tape

469
00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,399
Speaker 4: was much better, where he had I believe seven and

470
00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,320
Speaker 4: a half sacks, and then this past season the only

471
00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,120
Speaker 4: add one and a half sacks, so the production obviously

472
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,960
Speaker 4: was way down with him. But I mean you've seen

473
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,680
Speaker 4: him up close. He's massive, six foot seven, three hundred

474
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,919
Speaker 4: and forty pounds. He looks exactly how you want a

475
00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,800
Speaker 4: three technique or a one technique to look inside, but

476
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,679
Speaker 4: the motor doesn't always run as hot as you would like.

477
00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,159
Speaker 4: And then also he just plays way too high. But

478
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,840
Speaker 4: with Walker, he's never a player that's gonna play with

479
00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,199
Speaker 4: adequate pad level just because of how big he is.

480
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,480
Speaker 4: And then you have to remember he played over eighty

481
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,920
Speaker 4: five percent of the defensive snaps at Kentucky, So I

482
00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,119
Speaker 4: think it was a situation of where he was just

483
00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,280
Speaker 4: gassed a lot of times in those games. So Scott

484
00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,840
Speaker 4: raised a question to me, what happens when he plays,

485
00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,000
Speaker 4: you know, sixty percent of the snaps. We reduce that

486
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,119
Speaker 4: a little bit more to where he can play a

487
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Speaker 4: little bit faster and the pad level can be a

488
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:37,000
Speaker 4: little bit better. So it's a situation of where you

489
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:38,879
Speaker 4: either you like him or you don't. I currently have

490
00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,520
Speaker 4: a second round grade on Walker. It wouldn't surprise me

491
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,320
Speaker 4: if he ends up going in that ranger. If he

492
00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,520
Speaker 4: does end up going a little bit higher. So I

493
00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,320
Speaker 4: think this is a prospect that's really going to be

494
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,440
Speaker 4: very split in a lot of draft rooms. But he's

495
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Speaker 4: one player that I do have a second round grade

496
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Speaker 4: on and he's another that I'm looking forward to seeing

497
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Speaker 4: how he does test at the combine.

498
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Speaker 3: How to lot get in here?

499
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Speaker 1: If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the

500
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Speaker 1: middle with it this great?

501
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Speaker 3: How do we make that happen?

502
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jordan, Obviously, people always watch the wide receivers

510
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,200
Speaker 2: and dbs at.

511
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,119
Speaker 1: These events, and they're one on ones and then the team stuff.

512
00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 2: Not as exciting a group as I think we've had

513
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 2: in years past in terms of guys going to be

514
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,560
Speaker 2: really high picks. Who stood out for you among the

515
00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,000
Speaker 2: wide receivers? Why don't we start there?

516
00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I thought a lot of guys stood out.

517
00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,800
Speaker 4: Jaden Higgins of Iowa State was one that really stood

518
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 4: out to me. Tess Johnson of Oregon was another tank

519
00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:47,960
Speaker 4: Dale type of receiver, a shorter side, very twitchy, just

520
00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,000
Speaker 4: understands how to get open. But the one that was

521
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,440
Speaker 4: most surprising to me was Jack Betch from TCU, and

522
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,399
Speaker 4: I thought he was the best of the bunch in

523
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,879
Speaker 4: this year's class. And you know, the story is incredible.

524
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 4: What happened to him over the past few months. Fortunate,

525
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,159
Speaker 4: i should say, But you can tell that he was

526
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 4: playing with a chip and the shoulder and a different

527
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 4: type of purpose.

528
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 3: And I mean, the dude catches everything.

529
00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 4: I mean, that's what you want to see in these

530
00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 4: seven on seven, these one on one drills and then

531
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,040
Speaker 4: when it translates over to team. But it's not just

532
00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 4: how well he was catching the ball. He was creating

533
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,639
Speaker 4: separation as well. So he's another that I definitely have

534
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,240
Speaker 4: to go back and do a little bit more film

535
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 4: work on. I had a late third round grade on

536
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 4: him coming in, but it wouldn't surprise me if he

537
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 4: comes in, If he ends up being drafted somewhere a

538
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 4: late second, early third round or even higher, that wouldn't

539
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 4: surprise me at all, just because of how well he

540
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 4: played in mobile.

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's built very well, he's strong, you could he's

542
00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 2: he's got the guns right, he caught everything can test

543
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,200
Speaker 2: to catch physical receiver.

544
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Speaker 1: What I want to do, and I'm gonna go back

545
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 1: and I watch him.

546
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: Now, how well does he separate, because I'm not sure

547
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: how consistently he's going to be able to get that separation. Now,

548
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,879
Speaker 2: there could still be a role for him again the

549
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:50,840
Speaker 2: art rout runner. I think all that stuff was great,

550
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: just and how we tests I think will be big

551
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 2: in terms of how fast he runs right and his

552
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,840
Speaker 2: three coding for change of direction.

553
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are a bit of things that everybody is

554
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,920
Speaker 4: waiting on just to see how early tests the three

555
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,159
Speaker 4: cone the forty times, just so we can have an

556
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 4: actual number on him. But as far as what the

557
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 4: product is on the field, I think it's without question,

558
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 4: you know that third or early fourth round range. But

559
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,640
Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me if he goes a little bit

560
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 4: higher than that.

561
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with him.

562
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 2: Looking you mentioned Ted Johnson, this event is made for

563
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: a guy like that. He's just too quick and fast.

564
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,399
Speaker 2: You can't cover one on one. Two other receivers. I

565
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 2: agree with you on those two. I thought Higgins teammate

566
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 2: jaywen Knowle, I thought he had a really nice day.

567
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 2: You know, a lot of people think of these slot

568
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: guys as quicker than fast. That dude's a vertical slot man.

569
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 2: They ran him deep and he was getting separation all

570
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 2: day long. And then I thought the other receiver on

571
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: the American team that did a pretty nice job was

572
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,159
Speaker 2: ty Felton at a Maryland. I thought he'd be a

573
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 2: little bit taller and be a little bit heavier based

574
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 2: on what I saw on tape, but yeah, I thought

575
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: he did good on all three levels of the field

576
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Speaker 2: getting open.

577
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we had a lot of these receivers that kind

578
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 4: of looked the same, especially when they're in the same

579
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 4: tier as well, kind of those what I like to

580
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 4: call those power slot type of receivers. It's about you know,

581
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: five nine to five eleven seventy to one ninety range.

582
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 4: There was a lot of receivers in that range you mentioned.

583
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 4: No we haven't even mentioned Xavier Rastrepo was one of

584
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: the better slot receivers in this draft class too. So

585
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 4: Noel definitely was really impressive. Just his change of direction

586
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 4: skills and his ability to get open to create separation

587
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 4: I thought was one of the better parts of his

588
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 4: week and mobile.

589
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 2: Kyle Williams, did you watch him before that? Before he

590
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 2: got that, because that guy's fast. Man Like you look

591
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 2: down and you think traditional slot, but he was running

592
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 2: away from guys deep.

593
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:30,480
Speaker 1: I was pretty impressed with him as well.

594
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, he probably was one of the bigger surprises for

595
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 4: me as far as just how well he looked up close. Now,

596
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 4: he's not as shifty or as quick twitch that I'd

597
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 4: like to say as some of these other receivers, but

598
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 4: everything's so smooth for him. It's change of directions, his

599
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 4: catching ability, his ability to get open. And I actually

600
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 4: got a text about him coming into the week and

601
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: somebody said that he's actually been training with Ricky Proll,

602
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 4: the long time Carolina Panthers receiver, and he just couldn't

603
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 4: stop raving about him during training. So I was like, Okay,

604
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna not get too excited to see if it

605
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 4: really translates over into practice and see what Ricky Proll

606
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 4: was raving about.

607
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 3: But now I'll see why he was raving so much

608
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: about him.

609
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 4: I mean, the route running ability, the catching ability, and

610
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 4: then just the handout coordination with him.

611
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 3: I was really impressed with Kyle Williams.

612
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, all right.

613
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: Defensive backs, you know, as of Ray Thomas, and I

614
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: think I have that pronunciation right, correct me if I'm wrong.

615
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: Out of Florida State, I think body type wise, he's great.

616
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if he tried to, but he got

617
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 2: put one on one against Tes Johnson way too much

618
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 2: and that's just not a good matchup for him. And

619
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: good for him if you won the matchup against the

620
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: best guy, I appreciate that, but not a great matchup

621
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Speaker 2: for him. He's the guy that stood out. I thought

622
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 2: Quincy Riley was pretty good. Darien Porter, I thought good

623
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: length playing outside. He was a guy that kind of

624
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: jumped out of me. I thought it was good. Then

625
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 2: Max Harriston out of Kentucky. Those are the corners that

626
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: kind of jumped for me. I'm curious who from that

627
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: group you really liked.

628
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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was three guys coming in that really were

629
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Speaker 4: in the same tier for me, Azah Thomas, as you mentioned,

630
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 4: Trey Amos of Ole Miss and then also Max Harriston

631
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Speaker 4: of Kentucky. I had a second round grades on all

632
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: those guys coming in, so I wanted to see who

633
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: really stuck out and really differentiated themselves. I thought Thomas

634
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: was the best of the bunch. Then after that Harston

635
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 4: and then Amos, But it really just depends on who

636
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 4: you're looking at at this certain time that you're looking

637
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: at with these guys as well, so I think they're

638
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: all in that similar cluster. But Thomas, just the movement

639
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: skills with him when he wasn't matched up against Ted

640
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 4: Johnson really stuck out about him. And then, of course

641
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 4: we didn't get to see Harriston on the last day,

642
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 4: but the first two days I thought he really did

643
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 4: stand out.

644
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought he did too, all right.

645
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 2: I have trouble in these practices Jordan figuring out running

646
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 2: backs and linebackers because their whole job is trying to

647
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 2: tackle somebody. There's no tackling, so you know, what are

648
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: you supposed to see? Let's start with running backs. I

649
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 2: thought Trevor atn after watching him at Georgia, and I

650
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 2: feel like the burst that he had in Florida the

651
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: previous year was not as quite as there. I don't

652
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: know if he was banged up and he got healthier.

653
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: I thought that bouncing kind of burst that he had.

654
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: I thought that Florida a couple years ago was back.

655
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I mean I thought he was great

656
00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 4: every single day. I thought he performed really well, and

657
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 4: it wasn't just the running but the pass catching stuff,

658
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 4: which is really his wielhouse of where he should excel.

659
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: I thought he looked so.

660
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 4: Smooth doing that, and you know they had him running

661
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 4: the Texas routes, the will routes, the swing routes, everything

662
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: that he was doing, he looked like the wide receiver

663
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 4: out there. I thought he looked really efficient. But one

664
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 4: guy that I was really surprised by was the quin

665
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 4: Allen of Syracuse. And you know, I watched a couple

666
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: of games on him coming in and we actually when

667
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,199
Speaker 4: I was helping out the ACC Network this this fall,

668
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 4: we actually did we had a visit up there, I

669
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 4: should say with Fran Brown and we sat down with

670
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: Kyle McCord and the quin Allen. So that really was

671
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 4: my first exposure to him in person. That translated over

672
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 4: to the season this year. But seeing him against the

673
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 4: best of the best in Mobile, I thought him along

674
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: with at and I thought they were the best two

675
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 4: running backs there. I was really surprised with the quin

676
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 4: Allen just how well he moved.

677
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: Two of the running backs on. They asked about Ali Gordon.

678
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: It's a guy that a lot of people were really

679
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: highly regarded on them manning into this draft process.

680
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 1: I never saw like the burst I wasn't totally on

681
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: board with that.

682
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 2: He runs really high, but he's two hundred and thirty pounds,

683
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 2: which would I think you'd like to see.

684
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Gordon? Then on the other

685
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum. RJ.

686
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: Harvey, smaller guy two seven five seven and a half.

687
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: I think probably just Burst wise the best running back there,

688
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: but he likes to bounce a lot.

689
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: So just your thoughts on those two guys.

690
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 4: Well, I'll start with Ali. Ali is I think a

691
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 4: scheme specific type of back.

692
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 3: You want him.

693
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: Moving more so downhill once again the Mangap power zone.

694
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 4: You don't really want him in his zone scheme, I

695
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 4: should say. He's not really a one cut and go

696
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: type of runner. He's more so if you want him

697
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 4: moving behind those pullers, making decisions and then hitting the

698
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: ball downhill using his size. So with him, the vision

699
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: is a little bit questionable with him. That's another aspect

700
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 4: I would like to see him get a little bit

701
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 4: better at. But I mean the size six foot one,

702
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 4: two hundred and thirty three pounds. He obviously was the

703
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 4: biggest running back in this year's group, but once again,

704
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 4: he has to be in a certain type of scheme

705
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: for him to excel. And the production obviously was much

706
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 4: better in twenty twenty three as opposed to last year

707
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 4: in twenty four. But they had so many questions up

708
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 4: front at Oklahoma State really interested to see where he

709
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: does end up going. I have a late third early

710
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 4: fourth round grade on him right now, but it wouldn't

711
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: surprise me if he goes earlier, but it would't surprise

712
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 4: me if he goes later as well, just because there

713
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 4: may base some teams that have some question marks about

714
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 4: some of the character riches that we have outlined with

715
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 4: him already. So he's another interesting one. And they really

716
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 4: loaded running back group and then R. J. Harvey like

717
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 4: ETN very similar type of runners, those those you know,

718
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 4: very elusive type of runners that can run inside, that

719
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 4: can run outside. You want to use them as an

720
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 4: asset in the passing game as well. He obviously was

721
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 4: UCF's best weapon last year. They did a really good

722
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 4: job of utilizing him all over the place. And they

723
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 4: did the same thing and Mobile used him in the

724
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 4: slot a little bit. I saw him running some routes

725
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 4: in the slot a little bit as well. So really

726
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 4: interesting player for sure.

727
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: Devin Niel's boring, but I think he's pretty good. I

728
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: watched him in Kansas. I'm like, ah, he's not that quick,

729
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: he's not that big, but them he finds the holes,

730
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: he gets through him in he gains yards. Are we

731
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: sleep on him a little bit just because the tapes

732
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 2: not exciting, even though he's just really really productive.

733
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: I'm not Devin Hills also, man, he's one of my

734
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: favorite running backs in this class. I have a third

735
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 4: round grade on him, and I think he's one of

736
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 4: the most versatile and this year's bunch. I mean you

737
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 4: can just turn on the tape against Colorado everything. I

738
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 4: mean there's no holes in his game at all. And

739
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 4: he's very thick as well, from like a stout standpoint

740
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: five to eleven. I think he came in at two

741
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty pounds, which was much heavier than what

742
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: they listened to him on the roster. I think like

743
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: five or six or so pounds I should say, heavier

744
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 4: than what they listed him as on the roster. So,

745
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: I mean, there's not a lot of holes in this

746
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: game at all. And when we look back on this

747
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 4: loaded draft class. It would not surprise me if we

748
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 4: look back and say that he was easily one of

749
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: the top three running backs in this class.

750
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: All right, it's a stacked running back class. That's also

751
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: a stacked tight end class. And I think again that

752
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: was reflected in the guys that were here. Jordan who

753
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: from this group. Really, you know, it made you look

754
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: down at your sheet and put a little star and say,

755
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: all right, this guy really helped himself this week.

756
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 4: I mean, I was excited about this group coming in.

757
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 4: Elijah l Royo of Miami. I thought he was terrific.

758
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: He's such a smooth mover man. He's so efficient, really

759
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 4: good mover, really good hands, snatches the ball out of

760
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: the air. I was really impressed with him. And then

761
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 4: Mason Taylor of LSU. He's another that was just so

762
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 4: smooth and everything that he did their oute running is

763
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: just so easy for him. Terence Ferguson of Organ was

764
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: another interesting one coming into the week that I had

765
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 4: a star beside as far as just to pay a

766
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 4: little bit extra attention on him. Even though product the

767
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: production wasn't overly great in my opinion at Oregon, I

768
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 4: thought he showed some things that he really didn't show

769
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 4: on tape that he was capable of and mobile.

770
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: All right, tell me what I miss it on Mason Taylor,

771
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: because you are not the first person to tell me

772
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: that they loved them they thought he was fantastic. I

773
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: think he's a really good all round player. He's big

774
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: enough the block. I talked to him for like five

775
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: six minutes. Really nice kid, humble. You would never know

776
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: he's the son of a you know, former, you know

777
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 2: of an NFL Hall of Famer, Like you'd have no

778
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: idea great kid. But I don't see the burst and

779
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: athleticism of like an Arroyo. I kind of see him

780
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: as good a little bit everything, But I don't see

781
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: that elite trade with him. What am I missing? Tell

782
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: me why I'm wrong?

783
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it just depends on what you're looking

784
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 4: for from those tight ends. I don't think he's a

785
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,719
Speaker 4: guy you're going to depend on as far as an

786
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: in line blocker a lot.

787
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 3: That's just not a strong suit.

788
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: But and this is why I differentiate F and Y

789
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: tight ends in my rankings. Why is more so the

790
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: dual threat types that you're using in line and then

791
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: also as a receiver he's a true f tight end

792
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: that you don't want him inline blocking at all.

793
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: You want him more so playing in the slot.

794
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 4: You can put him in the backfield a little bit

795
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 4: if you want to get creative with him, but he's

796
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: going to be a true receiver. But with him he

797
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: isn't an overly twitchy guy. But he's one of those

798
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 4: players that's just really smooth and understands the nuances and

799
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 4: details of playing the position. He's not going to create

800
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 4: a whole lot of separation, but he can make those

801
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: contested grabs that you love to see. And I think

802
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 4: it was the last day when they were doing the

803
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: red zone period a red zone seven on seven and

804
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,080
Speaker 4: also red zone one one on ones. That's really where

805
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: you got to see his skill set really shine. So

806
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: I'm with you in that he's not going to be

807
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: an overly twitchy, er athletic type of player. But when

808
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 4: you're talking about the smoothness and understanding the nuances and

809
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: details of the position strictly from a route running standpoint,

810
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 4: I think he's one of the better ones in his class.

811
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: I think that's a really good description.

812
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: All right, linebackers and safeties, Again, these are two spots

813
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: that I struggle with in these practices.

814
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on guys that jumped out of you.

815
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 4: Of those two spots, one was Demetrius Knight of South Carolina.

816
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 4: He's one I think it's still being slept on on

817
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: this class. And he has an interesting story. I mean

818
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: a lot of people have heard about it already. He

819
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: started off his career at Georgia Tech for the first

820
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 4: four years and then he went to UNC Charlotte before

821
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: coming to South Carolina for one year. He's already married,

822
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: he's a father of two kids. He actually did door

823
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: dash to make ends meet during his time throughout his career,

824
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 4: so incredibly humble prospecting you talked to him, I mean,

825
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: he's just happy to be there. But he just had

826
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 4: a switch that he turned on during practice where he

827
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 4: just turned on. He just turned into a completely different guy,

828
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: and that's what you love to see. He actually wore

829
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: the green a practice as well, which is something that

830
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: I look forward to seeing exactly who has the green dot,

831
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 4: who's calling the plays during practice as well, So you

832
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: know he has the mental capacity and he's one of

833
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: those players that's battled through a lot of adversity as well.

834
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: So love his story being very slept on in this class,

835
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 4: and I actually have a late third round grade on

836
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: him right now, and I think that's a fair range

837
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 4: of where he could end up going just looking at

838
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: my list as well. Eugenia Sance is another of Auburn

839
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: that really stood out. Then.

840
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: Also Jeffrey Bass of Oregon.

841
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: He's another that I asked some question marks about as

842
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: far as is his change of direction skills and then

843
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: just how consistent he could.

844
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: Be in coverage. But it really surprised me with his

845
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: moving skills.

846
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: How about the safeties?

847
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 4: Ke and Andre Scott is one that I didn't know

848
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 4: a whole bunch about coming into the event out of

849
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 4: Illinois State. He was a late ad, but you talk

850
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 4: about somebody that came from a small school that really

851
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 4: stood out. He had a couple of big hits in practice,

852
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: but also the fluidity with him, I think he's capable

853
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 4: of playing not only strong safety, but also he could

854
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: play some free safety as well. He's one that I

855
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: was really surprised by. Jonash Sanker is one that I'm

856
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 4: really surprised by as well. He's another that I thought

857
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 4: primarily could only play as a free safety as far

858
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: as being on the top of the roof of the defense.

859
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: But he showed me some things as a strong safety

860
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 4: and practice as well as far as his consistency as

861
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: a tackler, which is something I thought he had to

862
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 4: clean up.

863
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 3: Coming into the event.

864
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: But one that I absolutely fell in love with was

865
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: Billy Bowman of Oklahoma. I thought he had a really

866
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 4: good showing. He just needs to get better with some

867
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 4: of his tackling angles, but as far as the ball

868
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: skills and just being a true center field type of safety,

869
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 4: I fell in love with him during practice.

870
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

871
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: of crunch time football, I'm your man.

872
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan,

873
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: you should talk to Citizens.

874
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

875
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: learn about aniliar regie.

876
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your

877
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: money with Citizens. I was surprised that, and I'll go

878
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: back to the linebacker for second, that Jack Kaiser moved

879
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: as well as he did. You know, I was thinking traditional,

880
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 2: you know, notre dame middle linebacker, right, the guy that's

881
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: not gonna move that well, he's gonna be good between

882
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: the tackles and be a big hitter.

883
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: He was actually pretty good in coverage during the week.

884
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: I was pretty impressed by his movement skills.

885
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 4: He was.

886
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm right there with you.

887
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: I thought there was some stiffness that he showed on

888
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 4: tape and that he was just gonna be a traditional

889
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 4: box safety, but I thought he held up well in coverage.

890
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about the one on ones.

891
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: And yes, I know it's catered for the wide receivers

892
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: and you see these guys doing these four or five

893
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: second releases at the line of scrimmage, but you know,

894
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: for the safeties and also the corners, you get to

895
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 4: see how well they move and just how dependable they

896
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: are in man coverage as well. So Jack Kaiser is

897
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 4: one that I was definitely surprised by, especially his movement skills.

898
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Now I'm with you on that, all right.

899
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 2: We didn't talk about the quarterbacks that everyone wants to

900
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: hear about.

901
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: Jaln Milroe started real slow.

902
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: I wonder I would have liked to see him unleash

903
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: the arm a little bit, because I know he has

904
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: a big arm, but.

905
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: I didn't see it chowing the big arm.

906
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: Yea, it would just chuck it down field a couple times.

907
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: I thought Jackson Doll was pretty consistent. Dylan Gabriel small,

908
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: obviously not the biggest arm, but I thought he was

909
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: accurated on time.

910
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Chuck showed.

911
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: I thought his kind of physical traits a little inconsistent.

912
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this group of quarterbacks and anybody that

913
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: really either helped to hurt themselves.

914
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always interesting with these quarterbacks just because you

915
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 4: really want to gauge the arm strength and the accuracy,

916
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 4: but you can't knock them too much, just because, like

917
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,479
Speaker 4: I tell everybody, they didn't need half right, They didn't

918
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: mean half of these guys until the connecting flight over

919
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 4: to mobile.

920
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 3: So timing is something that's always going to be off

921
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: with them.

922
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: And you have to remember this is these guys' first

923
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 4: time going through with NFL verbiage, taking snaps from under center,

924
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 4: and then also relaying these plays to these players as well,

925
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 4: And that's something that I had to remind myself, especially

926
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: with Dylan Gabriel. He couldn't catch the snap under center

927
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: the whole first day. He dropped probably about four or

928
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 4: five snaps. But you have to remember he's not working

929
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 4: those mechanics at all over the first you know, six

930
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 4: or seven months of the season, so this is his

931
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: first time really take making those snaps from under center.

932
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: And then with Jackson Dark, it's a similar thing. He

933
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,800
Speaker 4: didn't take any snaps from under center, just because everything's

934
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 4: so signal bas and this is his first time going

935
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: through those progressions. So with Dark, what I wanted to

936
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: see was was he comfortable going through those you know,

937
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 4: those first, second, third steps getting to his checkdown. Can

938
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 4: he do those things and exhaust those progressions? So I

939
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: thought I thought he did a really good job the

940
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 4: second and the third day, I thought he really looked comfortable.

941
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 3: That third day, he had a really good pass.

942
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 4: Over the middle of the field. I can't remember who

943
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: it was to, but he hit skinny post over the middle.

944
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 4: I thought that was one of the better throws of

945
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl. So you just want to see those

946
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 4: guys progressively get better.

947
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 3: And then with Milrow, I.

948
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 4: Thought he did struggle those first two days, but the

949
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: third day I thought he settled in a little bit more.

950
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 4: It's just the inconsistency over the short to intermediate parts

951
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: of the field, which was a big question mark with

952
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: him coming in, but the deeper parts of the field

953
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 4: he had a really nice Whell route throw.

954
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 3: I believe it was the Jack.

955
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 4: Betch down the sideline on the will route during the

956
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 4: third day of practice. So with Milrow, you just have

957
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 4: to have a really distinct or detail development plan with

958
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 4: him just because he just needs a lot of refinement

959
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,760
Speaker 4: as a passer, so you have to be really patient

960
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 4: with him during his development.

961
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 2: Do you think his measurements, his height and his hands

962
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: s eiyes are going to scare some teams off despite

963
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 2: the fact he's a great athlete.

964
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I don't think it's going to

965
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 4: scare teams off. I think it just depends on how

966
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: much leeway or runway that you have to development just

967
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 4: because I think he's I think he's at least two

968
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 4: years away from really being counted upon as far as

969
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 4: a refined passer. And that's why I say he has

970
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: to go somewhere that's really patient with him, just because

971
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: he has such a ways to go as a passer

972
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 4: in the short intermediate areas. Jalen is just more comfortable

973
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 4: when you have concepts that allow things to play out.

974
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 4: And what I mean by play out is that those

975
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: deeper concepts to where he can set up drop back

976
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: and really read those things that are happening down the field.

977
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: That's why he's more comfortable in the deeper parts of

978
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 4: the field. But when he has to make those pre

979
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: snap reads and what I call grip it and rip

980
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 4: it type of throws and the short to intermediate areas,

981
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: that's really where he struggles the most.

982
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: All right, final two questions, Just throw me a couple

983
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 2: names of guys that you saw are trying that were

984
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: on the field, not the guys that showed up. It

985
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: didn't work that they really kind of jumped at you

986
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: and said, all right, you know these guys pretty these

987
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: guys impressed me. Maybe if we just started talking about

988
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: as a potential maybe day two.

989
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: Pick two guys really stood out to me, John. The

990
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: first one is Arondez Gaston Junior, or the second, I

991
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 4: should say, the tight end from Syracuse. I thought he

992
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 4: had some really good movement skills and he's one of

993
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 4: those guys similar to a Mason Taylor, that I think

994
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 4: is a true f tight end. You don't really want

995
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 4: to use him in line the whole bunch, just because

996
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 4: he's not going to be counted upon and consistently as

997
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 4: a blocker where his value is going to be is

998
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: in the passing game. And then another who I thought

999
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: or two I should say two more that I like

1000
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: to mention that I thought was the two best players

1001
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 4: is Jordan Phillips, the interior defensive lineman of Maryland.

1002
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: I mean you see him, I mean he's stacked, he

1003
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: was shredded.

1004
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 4: He has the physique and the size that you love

1005
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 4: to see at the position, and nobody could block him

1006
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: just because of how explosive he was. And then he's

1007
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 4: only twenty years old, so those younger type of prospects

1008
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 4: that you love to see just because the upside could

1009
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 4: be immense and there's no telling where he could be

1010
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 4: three for five years from now. But the best player

1011
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 4: that I thought was at the Shrine Bowl was Kansas

1012
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 4: cornerback Kobe Bryant. I was really blown away with how

1013
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: well he played. And he didn't play in the game,

1014
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: and he didn't play, he didn't practice the last day.

1015
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 4: But I thought, doing those first two days, you saw

1016
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 4: everything that you love to see, especially from a player

1017
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,959
Speaker 4: that you're expecting to be one of those top five

1018
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: players overall, top five prospects. I should say at the event,

1019
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 4: I thought he was by far the best player there.

1020
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: I'm with you were aline than that all right.

1021
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: Now, besides watching the prospects you mentioned, you talked to scouts,

1022
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: you talked to people in the league. What's your feel

1023
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: right now? And again this is going to change. We're

1024
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: going to talk again a month at the combine. What's

1025
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: your feel for what might happen ahead of the Giants

1026
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: at one and two, Titans with the brand new front office,

1027
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: and now with the Browns Miles Garrett trade request. You

1028
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 2: know how that affects all these things. We have no idea.

1029
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: How do you think those what do you think those

1030
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 2: first two picks are going to look like? And just

1031
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: a general tenor of what this top of the rats

1032
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: are going to look like, specifically with cam Ward and

1033
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: Shure Sanders and when they might drop off the board.

1034
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 3: It's pre combined.

1035
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of guessing games that are happening

1036
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: right now. Honestly, John and everybody's just speculating. But it's

1037
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: either quarterback or edge rusher for both of them, in

1038
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,439
Speaker 4: my honest opinion, and it's either a quarterback or Abdual Carter.

1039
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 4: I think those are only I think he's obviously the

1040
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: only one that is worthy of going at the top

1041
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 4: of the draft. I should add in Colorado Travis Hunter

1042
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 4: as well. Those are your top two guys in the

1043
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: draft in my opinion. But the unfortunate thing for the

1044
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 4: Giants is that both of those teams are they need

1045
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 4: a quarterback.

1046
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: So the Giants are in a great spot right now.

1047
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: You're hoping and praying and you're crossing your fingers that

1048
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: Abdual Carter is obviously one of those picks, whether it's

1049
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 4: to the Titans or to the Browns, either one, just

1050
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: because now you're in position to either get cam Ward

1051
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: or Shad Door Sanders. So, like I said, it's still

1052
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 4: early and a lot of speculation that is happening right now,

1053
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 4: but it's either a quarterback Travis Hunter or at Do Carter.

1054
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 4: Those are going to be your top three picks. But

1055
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 4: once again, it's early right now. But Giants fans keep

1056
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: crossing your fingers that one of those two players, Travis

1057
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: Hunt or arab du A Carter go one or two overall,

1058
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 4: just because the quarterback is going to fall in your

1059
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: lab Then.

1060
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: Well, well let me ask you.

1061
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that let's say two quarterbacks go one

1062
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 2: and two, is that necessarily a bad thing just in

1063
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: terms of how you have these players graded in comparison

1064
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 2: to the quarterbacks, Like how far away I have Warred

1065
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,479
Speaker 2: ahead of Sanders, and I think I have both guys

1066
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: graded probably lower than the.

1067
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: Top two position players. And I'm with you.

1068
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: I think those are the two elite position players in

1069
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: the draft class. So, if you're a Giants fan, I

1070
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: know you desperately need a quarterback. I get that, and

1071
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with it at all. Is it the

1072
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: worst thing of the world that if you walk away

1073
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: with a thing with the Travis Hunter or ab Dual

1074
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: Carter or do you think these two quarterbacks are so

1075
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 2: good that you definitely want to make sure you walk

1076
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: away with one of them.

1077
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 4: Well, you obviously want a quarterback just because the Giants

1078
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 4: they desperately need one. They need a long term answer there,

1079
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 4: So option number one, you hope that Shador or Cam

1080
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 4: fall to you at three. Overall, I think they would

1081
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: be happy to have either once because they don't have

1082
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 4: an answer on the roster right now. But if Travis

1083
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 4: Hunter or I do a Carter, do a Carter fall

1084
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 4: in your lap, You're not mad about that at all.

1085
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 4: Like we mentioned, we both believe we're in agreeance that

1086
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 4: either one of those guys could go at number one overall,

1087
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 4: Carter probably more so than Hunter just because of positional value.

1088
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 4: But I think you're not complaining at all if you

1089
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 4: end up with Carter or a Hunter, just because the

1090
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: Giants have needs at either one of those spots. But

1091
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 4: you always want to be in a position of where

1092
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: you take the best player available that makes the most sense,

1093
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 4: and I think either one of those guys will make

1094
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 4: sense if a quarterback is not available to them on

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Speaker 4: the board at three.

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Speaker 1: If both are there, do you pick water or standards.

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Speaker 4: I like Cam better right now, and I've been saying

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Speaker 4: this since really September. I think the perfect coach for

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Speaker 4: cam Ward would be Brian Dable, just because I think

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Speaker 4: the mixture of both of them is really a recipe

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Speaker 4: for success, just because with Cam, the biggest thing that

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Speaker 4: Cam has to learn in order to have success on

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00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: the next level is just be okay with good and

1104
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 4: not chase the great. That's what you see a lot

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Speaker 4: on tape with him, is that he's chasing the right

1106
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: and sometimes he has to be satisfied with taking the

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00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: good and his time at Miami, yes, he put up

1108
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: those miraculous numbers. I think the world of cam I

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00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: think he's going to be a productive player on the

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Speaker 4: next level. I've already said I put it out on

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00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 4: record that he reminds me of Jordan Love when he

1112
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: was coming out of Utah State, and that there's a

1113
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: lot of turnover worthy plays with him, but that's just

1114
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: the life of a playmaker. And for every nine or

1115
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 4: ten good throws that he has, there's gonna be two

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00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: or three.

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Speaker 3: That leave you scratching your head.

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Speaker 4: But like we see with and now I'm not comparing

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Speaker 4: him to these guys, but with Ma Holmes, Josh Allen,

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Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson, all these electrifying playmakers, there's always going to

1121
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 4: be those two or three head scratching plays, but there's

1122
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Speaker 4: gonna be those nine or ten that make you sit

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Speaker 4: up in your seat and go wow. And that's what happens,

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00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 4: and that's what you see a lot with cam Ward

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Speaker 4: on tape. So he has to go to a position

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Speaker 4: coachu or demanding head coach that can rein in some

1127
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 4: of those turnover worthy plays. But there's a lot of

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00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,399
Speaker 4: times where you just have to let him be him.

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Speaker 4: But I would rather have a quarterback like that as

1130
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 4: opposed to somebody that's hesitant to throw the ball downfield.

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Speaker 2: I'd rather have to rain somebody in than tell them

1132
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: to to rev the inione A little bit on with

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Speaker 2: your final question, compared to the guys last year, where

1134
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: would you have cam Ward in your quarterback stack?

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Speaker 1: Last year?

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Speaker 4: Both would be in that Pinnix Knicks tier for me,

1137
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: along with McCarthy, they would be in that similar tier,

1138
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: so that quarterback you know, five six seven range. I

1139
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 4: think that's where they would end up going. But like

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Speaker 4: I said, I'm higher on cam Ward than a lot

1141
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 4: of people. I think a lot of people are really

1142
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: overthinking him, especially with the turnover worthy stuff. It's just

1143
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 4: a matter of you got to rain that in a

1144
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: little bit, and I think that's gonna make or break

1145
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: his his performance on the next level. But as far

1146
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 4: as just from a traits standpoint, I think he's right

1147
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 4: in that tier, you know, with Pennix, McCarthy and then

1148
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 4: also Nix, I think in that quarterback five six seven range.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be honest with you, I think I probably haven't.

1150
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: I've watched play six games award. I'm gonna watch every

1151
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 2: snap just because you know it's a big deal with quarterback.

1152
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: So I think I think I might have him had

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00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: a McCarthy, I might have him at four last year.

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Speaker 2: But I'll have the wait and see as I get through. Jordan,

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00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 2: good stuff, my friend. You got anything coming up out

1156
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 2: on ESPN that you want the folks know about?

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00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: No, right now, we're just reving up for the Combine.

1158
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: Actually I do. I lie. I actually have my Top

1159
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 4: fifty coming out on February eighth, so that'll be releasing,

1160
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 4: and then also we'll be reving up for the Combine

1161
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 4: of course, and then we'll be releasing our official big boards.

1162
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Speaker 4: We'll have a ton of mock drafts as well, and

1163
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Speaker 4: then we'll have our sportsman excuse me, sports centered specials.

1164
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Speaker 4: There's a tongue twist of sports center specials that are

1165
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Speaker 4: starting to go on me my colleagues, Field Yates, Matt Millan,

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Speaker 4: and also of course the godfather mel Kiper Jr.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Jordan's always good to talk. I'll talk to you,

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00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: always good to see. Look forward to seeing you the

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Speaker 2: Combine a few weeks, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thanks as always, John Say travels.

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Speaker 2: As Jordan read form ESPN on The Giants of the

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Speaker 2: podcast brought to you by citizens, Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody