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Speaker 1: Welcome to her playbook. I'm Madeline Burke. Joined this week

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Speaker 1: by Giant scout Hannah Burnett. First of all, um working

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Speaker 1: go from graduating and U massen to being a trailblazer

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Speaker 1: as a full time scout? How did that journey come about? Yeah? So,

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Speaker 1: um I started out as an intern, which I think

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Speaker 1: a lot of people in this industry kind of start

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Speaker 1: camp intern, so that I did that in between my

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Speaker 1: junior and senior year at UMSS. SO did that over

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Speaker 1: the summer, and then, like everybody else, I just kind

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Speaker 1: of looked for internships and I just applied to all

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Speaker 1: E Golfice in New York City, and being from New

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Speaker 1: York it was awesome. So I got I got to

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Speaker 1: be home for a little bit after college and you know,

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Speaker 1: commuting in and out from Long Island in New York

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Speaker 1: City every day doing the grind. So I was there

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Speaker 1: for seven months as a player personnel assistant and and

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Speaker 1: you know, when I was there, I tried to network.

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Speaker 1: I went out to the Jets, I went out to

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Speaker 1: the Giants um and met some people and just kind

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Speaker 1: of learned about scouting and figured out that's kind of

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Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And got on with the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons for two years and was a scouting assistant

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Speaker 1: and coordinator with them, And you know, one thing led

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Speaker 1: to another, and lucky enough to be here and have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to be a college scout, which is really

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Speaker 1: Once I got that foundation and figured out which way

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go, that was the dream job. So

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Speaker 1: it's been awesome. A lot of times, you know, you'll

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Speaker 1: hear from these Armshare quarterbacks or fans at home will say, well,

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Speaker 1: this person has never played the game at a pro level.

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Speaker 1: This person can't know how to scout or how to

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Speaker 1: evaluate talent. But there are a lot of people male

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Speaker 1: and female who never played pro football or college football

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Speaker 1: and can still see that. What do you how do

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Speaker 1: you respond to that? Yeah? I always say that gender

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Speaker 1: doesn't define your knowledge for football. I like feel very

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Speaker 1: strongly about that. I just think that if you work hard,

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Speaker 1: and if I'm working just as hard or harder than

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Speaker 1: somebody else. Why can't I get the knowledge that they have,

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Speaker 1: you know? And so that's the way that I look

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Speaker 1: at it. Even though I didn't play the game, you

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Speaker 1: know what, it doesn't matter if I continue to work

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Speaker 1: gain the knowledge that they have and maybe even gain

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Speaker 1: a little bit more. How much scheme do you have

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Speaker 1: to know to be able to evaluate these college prospects? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say that. You know, you want a good foundation,

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Speaker 1: So you want to know, like what kind of defense

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Speaker 1: the basics. I think a lot of times like we

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Speaker 1: are required to know like the basics, and it's better

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Speaker 1: to know a little bit more, so, hey why are

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Speaker 1: they running this? And a lot of times we get

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Speaker 1: that information from talking to coaches, we talked to sources

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Speaker 1: and hey we're talking about a player. Why was he

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Speaker 1: doing this when you were in this defense? Oh, that's

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Speaker 1: his responsibility. So it gives us a better idea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he knows what he's doing. That was what his assignment was.

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Speaker 1: So we can learn a little bit more from just

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Speaker 1: digging in. And that all comes to the the background piece.

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Speaker 1: Knowing your player and knowing who he is and what

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Speaker 1: variations that you could say, this looks kind of like this,

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Speaker 1: And when you're not as familiar with what exactly the

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Speaker 1: Or how does that work? Yeah? I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: like to grade our instincts, Right, how instinctive is the player? Like?

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Speaker 1: different coaching staffs or different organizations have different ways in

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Speaker 1: different way in which they record information or collaborate information

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Speaker 1: and how do you learn the same language essentially, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So we kind of call it like the scouting manual

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Speaker 1: of it is speaking a different language, but it's kind

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Speaker 1: of the same foundation. You know what you're looking for,

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Speaker 1: Like you're looking for smart, instinctive, fast players, right, everybody

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Speaker 1: base everything off of what those critical factors are, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we want guys that represent that. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is different throughout every team. Every team does it differently,

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Speaker 1: how how has that experience meant for you? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: our directors, from Joe, from Brandon, from everybody, and just

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Speaker 1: As a college scout, how do you describe what you

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Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, so you know, a lot of what

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Speaker 1: all the positions, so there's not nothing really like anybody

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Speaker 1: And we're in constant communication with you know, our directors

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Speaker 1: And it's constant communication and just being able to kind

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Speaker 1: But I'm like, that's letting the weather beat you. And

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of like day in the life. It's

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Speaker 1: like whether it's a flat tire, whether your car is

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Speaker 1: getting towed, it's always something so right because outwardly people

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