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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What does the body of

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Speaker 1: really a way of life? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. If you

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Speaker 1: like spending time on the beach, then you'll recognize the

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Speaker 1: catchphrase living the salt life and most likely you've seen

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Speaker 1: for an outdoor apparel brand, Salt Life, but it's taken

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Speaker 1: on a cultural meaning of its own for those with

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Speaker 1: it has an extreme following. The company sells all types

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Speaker 1: of gear for surfing, fishing, diving, and beach going. In

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Speaker 1: the first six months of twenty nineteen, Salt Life made

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Speaker 1: by four friends in two thousand and three and the

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Speaker 1: name is credited to co founder Michael Troy Huddo, but

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Speaker 1: Our friend from crime online dot Com, John Limley. So

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Speaker 1: the salt life started out as like beach apparel and

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Speaker 1: beach gear, fishing, diving. I've seen it a million times.

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Speaker 1: We even have things labeled the salt life or extreme

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Speaker 1: outdoors people. What does that have to do with the

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Speaker 1: dead body of a teen girl? Again, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nations series X sim

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Speaker 1: one eleven. Let's introduce to you an all star panel,

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Speaker 1: and I mean I'll star first of all. James shell

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Speaker 1: Nutt twenty seven years Metro major case including swat now

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Speaker 1: lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm dot com. Doctor Debbie

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Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor, Columbia University at Debbie Joffe

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Speaker 1: Ellis dot com. Robert Crispin, former cop now private investigator

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Speaker 1: with Crispin Special Investigations dot com. Right now medical examiner,

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Speaker 1: doctor Tim Gallagher joining us from the jurisdiction of Florida.

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Speaker 1: And Ray Kiputo, lead news anchor W DBO Ray, what

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Speaker 1: can you tell me about the salt life? And then

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Speaker 1: I'll get to the dead girl? Well, Nancy, it's an

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Speaker 1: iconic brand, like you mentioned that is centers round anything

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Speaker 1: involving saltwater or diving, fish, swimming, surfing now is a

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Speaker 1: New York transplant when I came down here, Like, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know about Salt Life the brand, but you can't

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Speaker 1: Life writing on T shirts. I mean, it's something that's inescapable,

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Speaker 1: but it is more than a brand, and it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like a way of life, you know, sitting out

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Speaker 1: the Salt Life brand just plays into that Florida living. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll know just a moment, rakipeat because we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of dive gear, swim gear, snorical gear from the

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Speaker 1: Salt Life. But my children are certainly certainly not sitting

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Speaker 1: with an umbrella in it, Kipato. I didn't really see

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Speaker 1: that coming, Yeah, Nancy both. I mean it's a native

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Speaker 1: So to me, salt Life equates with extreme outdoorsmanship. I

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Speaker 1: the back of one of the founder's, Troy Huddle's nets,

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Speaker 1: And I guess your guess is as good as mine. Nanty.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes things just catch on with people and they go viral,

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Speaker 1: Ortiz debut at PEC. Cheryl Miller is a Hilton Singer

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Speaker 1: it's not a stressful play since that's where you go

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Speaker 1: What I've got about Hilton Singer Island is um. It's

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Speaker 1: When people say that things like that don't happen here.

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Speaker 1: James SHELNUTT, I mean no offense, Ray computer, Because you

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Speaker 1: shelnut Why do people always say that never happens here?

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Speaker 1: the Beach. Okay, so maybe you were right about the

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Speaker 1: whole salt life thing, Ray Kipeter. Now I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: places like this. That's just a beautiful resort, Nancy. I

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Speaker 1: mean you described it. It's a time, this little flice

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Speaker 1: Singer Island itself. It's it's just very rich, beautiful little

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Speaker 1: Did you say from the heart down to the rest

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Speaker 1: of the body, snakes along the spine? Right, there's a

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Speaker 1: vessel coldy, a order, and it comes out of the

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Speaker 1: top of the heart. Half of it goes to your head,

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Speaker 1: and the other half travels down the length of your

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Speaker 1: spine to your organs. It branches out into your organs

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Speaker 1: and then goes down to your legs. So that is

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Speaker 1: a very major blood artery that can be in your

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Speaker 1: abdominal area. That is in your abdominal area, and once

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Speaker 1: it's perforated, you will bleed out within minutes. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm listening to doctor Tim Gallagher correctly describe what may

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Speaker 1: have happened. We know this teen girl sustained a single

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Speaker 1: shot to the stomach. Did she suffer? Did she blade out?

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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to this. Listen

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Speaker 1: the probable cause affidavit revealing Huddo was reportedly dating eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old Lake City teen Laura Grace Duncan at the

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Speaker 1: time of her death at a hotel in Riviera Beach.

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Speaker 1: Investigators say Duncan's father was aware of the relationship and

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Speaker 1: told them he hadn't had contact with his daughter for

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Speaker 1: days before she was found dead of a gunshot wound

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Speaker 1: inside a room at the hotel. Investigators say who told

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Speaker 1: them he thought Huddo was quote giving her drugs to

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Speaker 1: keep her sedated, giving her drugs to keep her sedated?

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00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: Did you hear that? That was David Jones at wt

449
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: LV First Coast News to RK Amputo, lead news anchor

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Speaker 1: Orlando News WDBO. What. First of all, I'm just being

451
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: smacked in the face. A fifty four year old multi

452
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Speaker 1: millionaire is dating a teen girl just out of high

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Speaker 1: school or I guess out of high school. What's that

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Speaker 1: all about. I don't know. He's literally three times her

455
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: age and this girl was one years old. She was

456
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: an infant when this guy started his Salt Life brand.

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00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how they met with the drugs make

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Speaker 1: it sound like he was grooming her. He got her hooked.

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00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: They couldn't have been in a long term relationship, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: because she wasn't old enough to be in a long

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Speaker 1: term relationship last year. She was a sophomore in high

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Speaker 1: score something like that, but drugs keeping her sedated on drugs.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. You guys, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the death is shooting death of a teen girl allegedly

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Speaker 1: the hands of a multi million dollar founder of the

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Speaker 1: Sault Live take listen to the rest of what WTLV

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Speaker 1: friend Davy Jones says. The day before Duncan's body was found,

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Speaker 1: Huddo reportedly overdosed into Saint John's County gas station. Detectives

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Speaker 1: from South Florida, who questioned Huddo at the hospital in

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Speaker 1: Jacksonville say he told them, quote, oh my god, I

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Speaker 1: think I hurt my Gracie, before crying. According to the affidavit,

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Speaker 1: Huddo said he and the teen were heading to the

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Speaker 1: Florida Keys to visit friends, that they stopped at the

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Speaker 1: hotel and at one point were quote playing inside of

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Speaker 1: the hotel room as if they were shooting with their

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Speaker 1: finger and a gun. He said at one point, quote

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Speaker 1: he pointed the gun at Gracie, it went off and

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Speaker 1: shot her. Police say manslaughter carries a maximum sentence of

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Speaker 1: fifteen years in Florida, but Huddo's charges could be upped

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Speaker 1: if new evidence comes to light. So we're learning what

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Speaker 1: he is saying that somehow he has a drug overdose

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Speaker 1: one day before the body is found of this team girl,

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Speaker 1: which means now we're looking at at least two days

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Speaker 1: he has left her there. And what's significant to me

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Speaker 1: to James shell Nutt, you're the lawyers, he says they

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Speaker 1: were playing a game with their fingers and a gun,

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Speaker 1: that he pointed the gun at Gracie and it went

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Speaker 1: off and shot her. Did you hear him say he

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Speaker 1: was playing a game. Yeah, b s. You know. I

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Speaker 1: will tell you some of the best advice that I

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Speaker 1: got when I became a police officer many years ago,

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Speaker 1: was never lose sight of the overall picture of what's

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Speaker 1: going on. Never lose your common sense. Look, this guy

494
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: drugged this eighteen year old girl miles hours away from

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Speaker 1: her home. This guy left her in a hotel room.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you I don't know where to

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Speaker 1: begin from the forensic side of things, but I will

498
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: tell you that story doesn't make sense. It doesn't hold water.

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Speaker 1: And I don't buy that for one second. And it's

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Speaker 1: disgusting that he would even say that. I feel the

501
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: same way. Nothing is adding up. Maybe we can go

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Speaker 1: back to doctor Debbie Joffee Ellis's theory that he thought

503
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Speaker 1: maybe she was not shot, or that maybe what she

504
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: was asleep on the bed. I'll have to explore that

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Speaker 1: with her. Take a listen now to our friend Al

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Speaker 1: Pefley WPEC CBS twelve. Totto told detectives at a hospital

507
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Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, oh my god, I think I hurt my Gracie,

508
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Speaker 1: as he began to cry. The next day at the hospital,

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Speaker 1: the arrest, Refort says mister Huddle stated that him and

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Speaker 1: Gracie was playing inside of the hotel room as if

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Speaker 1: they were shooting with their finger and a gun. As

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Speaker 1: it turned out, their play turned into a tragedy. The

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Speaker 1: arrest befort says mister Huddle went on to state as

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Speaker 1: Gracie was sitting on the counter inside of the bathroom,

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Speaker 1: he pointed the gun at Gracie, at which time it

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Speaker 1: went off and shot her. The arrest report says Duncan's

517
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Speaker 1: father believes gave Duncan drugs to sedate her. Hoddo is

518
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: being held on two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars bond.

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Speaker 1: He's charged with manslaughter and possession or use of a weapon.

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00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: At his initial court appearance today, Hoddo did not say anything.

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Speaker 1: The judge said he viewsed Hodo as a flight risk.

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00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: The prosecutor told the judge that Houdo has prior rest

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Speaker 1: for DUI, reckless driving and marijuana possession. Then why is

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00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: he only charged with manslaughter? That that's something I don't understand,

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00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to get into the age difference.

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Speaker 1: He's fifty four, she's just turned eighteen, but they drugging her.

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Speaker 1: I mean the parents Ray Kaputo Wdbo had to know

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Speaker 1: that she's in a romantic, a sex relationship with a

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Speaker 1: man who's pushes sixty. Yeah, they did. And in fact

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Speaker 1: it was her father too that that at tracked her

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00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: phone and he was worried. But you know, Nancy's an

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00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: eighteen year old girl. You know, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: family dynamic, but she's eighteen. She's technically an adultance. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much influence that has over at

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Speaker 1: that point. Well, you know what, you're absolutely right. Take

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00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: a listen to WPEC CBS twelve. This arrest report says

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Speaker 1: Michael Huddo has admitted to the fatal shooting that killed

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Speaker 1: his eighteen year old girlfriend. He says they were playing

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00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: inside their Singer Island hotel room, but what started as

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00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: two adults having fun led to a deadly outcome, which

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Speaker 1: is so saded Healey Land says she was a close

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00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: friend of Laura Duncan an elementary school. She was like bubbly,

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00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm really kind hearted. She was just really sweet, like

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Speaker 1: she didn't have a mean ball in her body. A

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00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: family friend describes the eighteen year old from Lake City

546
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: is down to earth and having a heart of gold

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00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: the Riviewer of Each. Police say her life was cut

548
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: short by her fifty four year old boyfriend, Michael Huddo

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00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: of Wellborn, Florida. Huddo was one of the co founders

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00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: of Salt Life, a brand of leisure apparel and sunglasses,

551
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: and according to the arrest report, he's married. On October

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00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: twenty ninth, Riviewer Beach police were called to the Hilton

553
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: Hotel on Singer Island to do a welfare check after

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00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: Duncan's father was unable to reach her. They found Duncan's

555
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: body on the floor in a seventh floor hotel room.

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00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: She had a gunshot, one to the stomach. The previous day,

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00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: police say Hyde was found at a gas station in

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00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: Saint Augustine, twitching, making delusional comments and crying, oh blah blah.

559
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: So he takes drugs. I mean, he knows that he's

560
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: left the girl back in the room. This eighteen year

561
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: old girl, Laura Grace Duncan is back in the room,

562
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Speaker 1: dead and or dying, and he's loading up on drugs

563
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: having left her there. I mean to you, doctor David

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00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: Joffe Ellis psychologist, Professor Columbia. He knew that she had

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Speaker 1: been shot. He told cops they were playing two adults

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Speaker 1: playing gunshot with their finger. I don't know how a

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00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: loaded gun got into that scenario. That he shot her

568
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: in the stomach, he had sedated her for whatever reason

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Speaker 1: and left her there. Yeah, there's no doubt that from

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00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: what I'm hearing, that he's responsible. However, some of the

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00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: things that are clear to me. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: I didn't mean to imply earlier that he thought she

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00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: was napping on the bed, No, I said that. But

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Speaker 1: what seems pretty clear to me is that he and

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00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: they were under the influence. When one is under the

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00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: influence and playing around, there is no rational thinking, there's

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00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 1: no groundedness in reality. There's ridiculousness. To me that the

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00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: age difference is really no red flag in any way.

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00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: It's very common for young girls to be seduced by

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Speaker 1: the glamor of a successful old or welcome something. Can

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00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 1: I ask you something, if it's that common, how many

582
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: teen girls do you know eighteen dating a guy that's

583
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: pushing sexy? I mean in your personal life, do you

584
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: know anybody that's doing that? Well? In my personal life

585
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: and and in my professional life, it's not uncommon. You

586
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: do know a teen girl dating a sixty year old man?

587
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,879
Speaker 1: Not in my personal life, but yes, indeed yes, But wait, wait, wait,

588
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: you say not in your personal life. I'm asking you.

589
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you know anybody whose daughter is a teen girl

590
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: dating a guy pushing sixty At present? I don't, But

591
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: in the past I have, yes, in your personal life,

592
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: a teen girl was dating a guy pushing sixty. Yeah, okay,

593
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: all right, because I don't. I don't know anybody whose

594
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: teen girl is dating a sixty guy pushes sixty years old.

595
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: But you know what it is, Hey, that's just me.

596
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: So I don't think it is normal. I don't think

597
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 1: that's normal or common. I don't think it's common. It's

598
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Speaker 1: not uncommon, Nancy. It really it's not uncommon. That means

599
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: it's common, and I don't think it is common. But

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00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: that actually is neither here nor there. What matters is

601
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: the fact that in our jurisprudence system, the voluntary use

602
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: of drugs or alcohol is never a defense to a

603
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: violent crime. Ever, there are cases where if the perpetrator

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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: is comatose, they're at that extent and they commit a

605
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 1: violent crime, it could be a defense. But the reality

606
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: is that's factually impossible, because if you're a comatose, you

607
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: cannot commit a violent crime. You're passed out, Okay, totally

608
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: passed out. The law is voluntary use of drugs or

609
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: alcohol is not a defense. And another thing, while I'm

610
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: on it shall not to a one grown person and

611
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: a teen girl playing in a hotel where the teen

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00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: girl is sedated, I imagine for sex purposes. They're playing

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Speaker 1: what Tops and Robbers and he's the only one with

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00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: a gun. Wow, that's some game. Yeah, people acted in

615
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: extraordinary ways, Nancy, and not everyone acts in a nice

616
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Speaker 1: kind of what the stereotypical idea of normal behavior is. Again,

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Speaker 1: in my professional experience counseling variety of people of a

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00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: variety of ages six play and fantastizing, is my unusual

619
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: is that's some game that's not a game that's called murder. Look,

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Speaker 1: I'm will tell you what I would not be surprised

621
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Speaker 1: to see at all. You know they charged with manslaughter.

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00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: That is the easy charge. Right now, they know that

623
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: they have that charge. That charge is not going to

624
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: get kicked out at some probable cause. Hearing that charge

625
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: is not going to get dismissed on some motion from

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Speaker 1: his defense lawyers. That's the low hanging fruit to keep

627
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: him at bay in jail till they further investigate this.

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00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: This is not a game. Let me tell you what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do. They're gonna look under her fingernails for

630
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: his skin. They're gonna look on him to see if

631
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Speaker 1: he has any injuries where this poor eighteen year old

632
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: child was fighting him off. They're gonna go back and

633
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: forensically look at this hotel room or struggle. They're gonna

634
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: look at exactly what Rob Crispin said, this man left

635
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: this room, left this poor girl. They're bleeding and dying

636
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: without calling for help. They're gonna look at her text messages.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna do it for as it called of her phone.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna take a look and say, hey, well she's

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Speaker 1: testing her friends back in fourth Hey he's acting weird,

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Speaker 1: or he's acting filing, or I'm scared. I would not

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Speaker 1: be surprised whatsoever if at the end of this case

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Speaker 1: no one thought it was a game and his budd

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Speaker 1: is sitting in jail on a murder charge. My fear

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Speaker 1: is two things. One the sedation, because she may have

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Speaker 1: been drugged out of her gourd so she didn't fight back.

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Speaker 1: And two money Crispin Robert Crispin of Crispin Investigations. Money

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Speaker 1: is floating around this area like water. If anybody interested

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Speaker 1: in this case who would normally want a murder prosecution

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Speaker 1: on behalf of this team, girl gets a stack of

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Speaker 1: money and goes along with a manslaughter charge. This may

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Speaker 1: just go away, just like hey, does Jeffrey Epstein that

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Speaker 1: name ring a bell to you, Crispin and your backyard

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Speaker 1: where Epstein is statutory raping these little girls and he

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Speaker 1: gets poop a little slap on the hand. Is that

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen this time in Florida with this guy?

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Speaker 1: Clearly a clearly could ring that way. Of course, he's

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Speaker 1: going to have the best legal defense team he's got

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Speaker 1: going because money clearly is not an object for him.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of good points that were just brought

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Speaker 1: up for text messages, for d forensics under her nails,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. But this has all the ear

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Speaker 1: markings of a bad drug use gone bad. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love whether it was just after his Miranda or before.

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Speaker 1: I love his spontaneous utterance of you know, I think

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Speaker 1: I heard Gracie. I mean this goes back even the

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Speaker 1: day or two before when the father went for the

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Speaker 1: welfare check because he says his daughter was acting out

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Speaker 1: a character. We'll see, it's just will see if money

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Speaker 1: is running the courts down at Singer Island. We'll see

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime Story signing off, goodbye friend,