1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Good morning. It's Wednesday, the thirteenth of September here in London. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: This is the Blueberg Day By podcast. I'm Caroline Hepga and. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:12,399 Speaker 2: I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, BP's CEO, Bernard Looney 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: quits over failing to fully disclose past relationships with colleagues. 5 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Apple On veils its latest handsets but increases the price 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: of its top end model, and we. 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: Take a closer look at why a deepening rift between 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia and the United Arib Emirates will make it 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: harder to end eight years of war in one of 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: the world's poorest countries. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Let's stop with a roundup of our top stories. 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 2: BP CEO Bernard Looney has resigned over failing to fully 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: disclose past relationships with colleagues. Lonie's exit leaves the oil 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: and gas giant leaderless as the company pushes ahead with 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: a costly transition to low carbon energy. Bloomberg's Managing editor 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: for Energy and Commodity, Simon Casey, says the decision is 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: part of a wider trend at corporations. 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 3: The CEO's also failing to be honest with their boards. Fundamentally, 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: that's what this is probably about. It's got a lot 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: tougher in recent years. Its boards feel much more empowered 21 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: to force the rules and the whole being the CEO 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 3: to account. 23 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 2: Simon Casey says, while BP hasn't named a long term successor, 24 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: it typically picks CEO from among the ranks of its 25 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: own top executives. 26 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: The European Central Bank expects inflation in the Bloc to 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: remain above three percent next year. That's according to a 28 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: report from Vouters that scene as bolstering the case for 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: a rate rise at tomorrow's meeting. Elsewhere, European Commission President 30 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: sulvon DeLine is set to give her annual State of 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: the European Union speech later. Ploomberg's meyor Todeo has a preview. 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 4: The head of the European Commissioner sort of underline, is 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 4: said to unveil her State of the Union speech at 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: the European Parliament in Strasbourg. Leader today, this is the 35 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: big political speech of Laurentree. It signals we're back from 36 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 4: the summer break, the European Parliament is officially back in 37 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 4: session and it outlines the policy priorities of the European Commission. 38 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: In theory This could be the final one from Ursula Funderlion, 39 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: as her term will be over next year when the 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 4: European elections are due. Across the block, haven't said that 41 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 4: there is widespread speculation in Brussels that you will aim 42 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: to get a second term. 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 3: Now. 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 4: When it comes to the content, not a lot has leaked, 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: but we should expect multiple references to Ukraine and bring 46 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 4: in Ukraine closer to the European Union. In Brussels, Maria 47 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: today bloomber Radio. 48 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: Apple has launched a range of upgraded iPhones and raised 49 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: the price of their top end handset by almost ten percent. 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: The new models, which include a USBC connector, represent the 51 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: first significant iPhone overhaul since the five G phones came 52 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: out three years ago. Apple CEO Tim Cook says it's 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 2: all about making steady improvements to the product. 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 5: Since the very first iPhone, we focused on giving our 55 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 5: users a device that's incredible powerful, remarkably easy to use, 56 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 5: and beautifully designed. Every year, we've built on this foundation 57 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 5: to create experiences that make a real difference in our users' 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: daily lives. Today, we're pushing what users love about iPhone 59 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 5: even further. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: Tim Cook's latest product launch comes as the Apple CEO 61 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: is looking to pull out of a sales slump and 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: fears of a consumer backlash in China. 63 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: Storms and flooding in eastern Libya are thought to have 64 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: claimed more than twoy three hundred lives, with thousands more missing. 65 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: A search for survivors is underway after a Mediterranean storm 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: hit the city of Dirna, with dams collapsing, triggering floods. 67 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: High water levels, but also tumultuous politics are hindering rescue efforts. 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: Rami L. Shahabi, from the World Health Organization in Libya 69 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: says it's a disaster zone. 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 6: The situation is more disasters than we expected and the 71 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 6: keep binding up, so those who have not been reported 72 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 6: as found are considered very likely to be dead or 73 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 6: under the rubbles of those building that collapsed after the flood. 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the Red Cross says that more than ten thousand 75 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: people are still missing after the massive floods. 76 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 2: Double Line Capital CEO Jeffrey Gundlack is fired back at 77 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: retired bond king Bill Gross, saying he hopes he feels 78 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: better about himself. The ongoing feud in the world of 79 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 2: finance returned after Gross criticized Gundlack saying he wasn't anywhere 80 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: near being crowned a bond king. 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 7: To be a bond king, or Quinn, you need a kingdom, 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 7: you need a kingdom. Okay, Pimco had two trillion dollars. Okay, 83 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 7: Double Lines got like fifty five billion. That's no kingdom. 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 7: That's like Latvia for car Estonia. Then look at his 85 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 7: record for the last five six seven years, had a 86 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 7: sixtieth percentile smack of a b. 87 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: That doesn't how's Bill gross there? Speaking to Boomberg's Odd 88 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: Lots podcast, in response, gond Black says, quote, it's sad 89 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: for somebody who's been out of the business for ten 90 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 2: years and is still trying to exercise the demons. I 91 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: hope he's doing fine. 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: Barkley's CEO, Csven Katakrishnan sees a deal making revival on 93 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: the way. The UK bank boss says that prices are 94 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: reaching acceptable levels and investors have plenty to spend. The outlook, though, 95 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: contrasts with news elsewhere in the sector. So Deutsche Bank 96 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: says that it's decommissioned sixty percent of the underlying applications 97 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: that the firm uses to run it's fixing come trading 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: business as it tries to reign in costs. The German 99 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 1: lender has been struggling to contain expenses in recent quarters 100 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: as it wrestles with inflation, a botched IT overhaul, and 101 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: also an ongoing processes issue. 102 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: And China's biggest cities have been home to one of 103 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: the world's greatest economic success stories, but that trend now 104 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: appears to be coming to a halt. According to d 105 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: compiled by Bloomberg, starting salaries or falling in finance and 106 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: technology by as much as forty percent downwards, bial Leese 107 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 2: workers cutting back further on spending as Beijing tries to 108 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: restore confidence in the economy. Another story of the Commaro 109 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 2: this morning is an interesting one. When we think about 110 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: the challenges facing particularly European countries and their aging demographics, 111 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: we talk about it a lot, particularly the conversations are 112 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 2: having about the pension's triple lock at the moment and 113 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: how much that's going to cost the government, But a 114 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 2: study by the chief forecaster at the UK's Office for 115 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: Budget Responsibility actually says that shrinking populations could be good 116 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: for people in the world's richest countries, saying that the 117 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: economic impacts are likely unbalanced to be positive and predictions 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: of dire effects are implausible. 119 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is David Miles, you know, he's a well 120 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: known voicer in the UK. I think is absolutely fascinating 121 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: because of the pressure that countries like Germany, Italy and 122 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: increasingly the UK are under, but also further afield places 123 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: like Japan. We're hearing increasingly policies around demographics, around population, 124 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: and it's less about immigration than that is about birds. 125 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: I think the issue though, with what David Miles is saying, 126 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: it's the punitive childcare cost, the expense of raising children. Actually, 127 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: that is the counterbalance to this. The reason that people 128 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: might be better off is that it's just so expensive 129 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: to have children, which I'm not sure is a particularly 130 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: positive message. 131 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 7: Frankly. 132 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: One of the things I aquaate from this is the 133 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: paper is published in the Journal of the Economics of Aging, 134 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 2: which I don't have a subscription to, but I'm now 135 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: already tempted to take. 136 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: It absolutely Okay. One of the stories on the terminal 137 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: that caught our attention when it comes to UK news, right, 138 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,559 Speaker 1: should we have a think about Apple unveiling its four 139 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: new iPhone models and a one hundred dollars price increase 140 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: for the top of the range fifteen promax. It comes 141 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: to as the company's trying to pull out of a 142 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: sales slub in the Chinese market. For more, let's speak 143 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: to our chief correspondent, Mark German. Good morning Mark. First 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: of all, on the products themselves, how significant actually was 145 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: this upgrade to the iPhone in the end. 146 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me. Glad to be 147 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 8: here on our UK programming. The iPhone update was quite significant. 148 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 8: If you're coming from a model, let's say, an iPhone 149 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 8: thirteen or an iPhone twelve or earlier. I think the 150 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 8: iPhone fifteen pro brings over some various significant improvements. I think, 151 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 8: you know, from a consumer perspective, what you can see 152 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 8: is new is new, and that's what sells, right. Other 153 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 8: than the upgrades that you know bring faster processors, the 154 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 8: visual upgrades are really significant, and so I think the 155 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 8: new titanium construction, along with the new color options you 156 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 8: have for these iPhone fifteen prone promaxes, is going to 157 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 8: drive a lot of sales overall. If you, you know, 158 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 8: compare the whole package to this iPhone fourteen iPhone fifteen 159 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 8: compared to maybe some upgrades in the past maybe to 160 00:08:57,240 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 8: the iPhone twelve or maybe to the iPhone ten. It's 161 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 8: not as significant, but I still think they needed to 162 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 8: They do what they needed to do to have a 163 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 8: successful holiday quarter. 164 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: Look, all of this is coming at the backdrop of 165 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: a slowing smartphone market. 166 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 7: Mark. 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: You've been at the forefront of so many big stories 168 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: around Apple that Bloomberg has broken. How is the company 169 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: coping with its strategy to try and boost growth at 170 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: a time that, you know, the overall market doesn't look 171 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: so good. 172 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 8: You know, it's interesting they're not trying to push you know, 173 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 8: unit sale increases. If they were, they'd be cutting prices instead. 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 8: They're doings, are trying to find new ways to generate 175 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 8: additional revenue. You've seen a few levers that they pulled 176 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 8: today in some countries. The iPhone fifteen pro is quite 177 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 8: a bit more expensive than it is in than the 178 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 8: iPhone fourteen Pro was. There's new iCloud storage tiers which 179 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 8: could help some services revenue that the tiers net up 180 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 8: to sixty dollars US per month. The previous tier cap 181 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 8: at ten dollars per month for a two terrorbyte package. 182 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 8: Now it goes up to twelve terrabytes, which is more 183 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 8: stores than probably anybody needs for two and a half lifetimes. 184 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 8: And they're also going to be making some new revenue 185 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 8: on some of these USBC accessories. But one point I 186 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 8: want to make, because I know we have a UK 187 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 8: audience here, is that the UK is unique today for 188 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 8: a very key reason. There was actually no price increase 189 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 8: in the UK. In fact, the new iPhones are cheaper 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 8: in the UK than they were previously, coming down by 191 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 8: about one hundred dollars, coming down by about one hundred pounds, 192 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 8: which corresponds to about one hundred and twenty eight dollars US. 193 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 8: So if you're in the UK, you might be getting 194 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 8: a better deal than you did last year. 195 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: Ooh, okay, music to people's ears, I imagine if they 196 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: are fans. How serious though, I mean, looking at country 197 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: by country are the troubles in China? Then there are 198 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: all these fears around a government backlash, but then also 199 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: a potential consumer backlash against Apple. 200 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 8: You know, I personally think that Apple's going to be 201 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 8: okay in China. My concern for them is a sense 202 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 8: of nationalism. The new Wellaway phone is having a very 203 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 8: strong reception in China, but I think the titanium casing 204 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 8: the premium feel of these new phones is going to 205 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 8: do well in China. One thing Apple did not do 206 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 8: this time around was released a red iPhone or a 207 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 8: gold iPhone. Those are two incredibly popular colors in China. 208 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 8: I think if you see iPhone sales a bit sluggish 209 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 8: in China, that's going to be one contributing factor. And 210 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 8: Apple may roll around and try to put out a 211 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 8: red or gold phone in the spring, maybe in the 212 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 8: March April time frame next year. But at this point 213 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 8: I'm not anticipating a big dip in China, at least 214 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 8: this quarter. I think this is an issue that might 215 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 8: perpetuate in the coming quarter. So that's something we're keeping 216 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 8: an eye on. But it's quite honestly impossible to know 217 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 8: until we see sales. I mean, clearly the initial noise 218 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 8: on the ground there is not coming in the positive direction. 219 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 8: But this does not seem anywhere near his diar as 220 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 8: it did four years ago when a huge nationalism push 221 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 8: really inspired people to not buy iPhones and other products 222 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 8: in the numbers they did previously. 223 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: Mark, great to have you on the program. You're welcome anytime. 224 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: That's Mark go and our chief correspondent they're bringing us 225 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 2: the latest on those product launchers from Apple. 226 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Now I want to turn to a big story in 227 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: the Middle East. So after coming together in twenty fifteen 228 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: to wage war against the Iran backed Houthi rebels in Yemen, 229 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and now immerse 230 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: in a power struggle through local proxy forces. Now this 231 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: threatens to undermine US and international efforts to try to 232 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: bring peace to a country that has been racked by 233 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: conflict and poverty. Blue mag Saudi Arabia reporter Sam Dagga 234 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: joins US now for more. Sam, very good to have 235 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: you on the program. Good morning, and for your reporting 236 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: what is going on in Yemen At the moment, I 237 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: thought that actually the fighting had been reduced somewhat. 238 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 9: Thank you, yester, morning and great to be with you. Yes, 239 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 9: I mean there's been a aul truth since April twenty 240 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 9: twenty two. But what's going on at the moment is 241 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 9: the Saudi Is, particularly Saudi Arabia, is trying to have 242 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 9: a ceasefire agreement between the Yemeny factions, and in order 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 9: to achieve that, it is negotiating directly with the Iran 244 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 9: backed Hoothies right, and it's trying. Saudi Arabia is trying 245 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 9: to cast itself as a mediator, but of course it's 246 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 9: an it's a it's a part of this war. I mean, 247 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 9: it waged war on them in twenty fifteen, and the 248 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 9: Houthis are saying to Saudi Arabia, we need we need 249 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 9: you to pay war reparations. You're not a mediator, You're 250 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 9: a party to this conflict. And we also need a 251 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 9: share of the oil and gas resources of the country. 252 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 9: And they're even threatening to target Saudi Arabia again, I 253 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 9: mean as as recently as Sunday. And then you have 254 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 9: Yemeny factions that are backed by the United Arab Emirates 255 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 9: that are saying, we are being kept in the dark 256 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 9: in all of this. You're not telling us Saudi Arabia 257 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 9: what you're doing. You know how you're negotiating with the Houthis, 258 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 9: and we feel that you're going to make too many 259 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 9: concessions to them and they're going to emerge stronger out 260 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 9: of this. 261 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: What are then the interest of Saudi Arabia and the 262 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: UAE in Yemen, great. 263 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 9: Question, I mean Saudi Arabia is primarily interested in you 264 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 9: know extricating itself from a disastrous war. I mean, this 265 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 9: is a war that it started in uh you know, 266 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 9: in concert with its allies, and the US supported this effort, 267 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 9: and but you know, a campaign of air strikes and 268 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 9: economic blockade, you know, failed to dislaunch the Houthis, who 269 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 9: now control the northern part of Themmen, including the capital Sana. 270 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 9: And the war started also to impact Saudi Arabia itself. 271 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 9: I mean, hundreds of drug oons and myththiles were fired 272 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 9: by the Houthis at vital oil and security installations inside 273 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 9: of Saudi Arabia. So it really wants to end the war, 274 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 9: bring it, bring it to an end at any cost, 275 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 9: and focus on its vision twenty thirty for economic transformation. 276 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 9: And it also wants to keep Yemen intact. It shares 277 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 9: a long border with Yemen, and the UAE, on the 278 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 9: other hand, has a different agenda. It feels like it 279 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 9: really expended blood and treasure in Yemen and it wants 280 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 9: to have, you know, maintain control over the coast of Yemen, 281 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 9: which has some very key ports like Aden and Al Mukalla. 282 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 9: And that's key to the UAE's ambition to bolster its 283 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 9: position as a trade and maritime power in the region. 284 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 285 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 286 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 287 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 288 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 289 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 290 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station, is also available on your 291 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: Amazon Alexa devices. 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