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Speaker 2: I never told you production if I heard you, And

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Speaker 2: today we are bringing back a classic holiday appropriate that

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Speaker 2: was I think it was your idea, Samantha, but I

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Speaker 2: loved it. And it was on Greela the Iceland's Christmas Witch. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it was a fun one. It was a fun one,

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Speaker 2: and it's been on my mind because over on the

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Speaker 2: other show I Do Saver, we're doing an episode on Skier.

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Speaker 2: The depending on who you ask, yogurt or thick Cheese.

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Speaker 2: But one of the goblins we talked about in this

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Speaker 2: story steals Skier. So it just made me think of it,

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Speaker 2: and I thought it would be a fun one to

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Speaker 2: bring back as we enter the end of the year

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Speaker 2: getting dark ely. Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness in Iceland.

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Speaker 2: It was really fun to research this one, so please

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Speaker 2: enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Danny and Samantha

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Speaker 2: and welcome to Steffan never told you a protection of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So I am so excited about this one.

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Speaker 1: I am so so excited because.

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Speaker 2: Probably a lot of you experienced the same thing. We've

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Speaker 2: talked about it every year we talk about it, but

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Speaker 2: for us like when the holidays come, it doesn't it

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Speaker 2: means like a sprint to the end with getting ahead

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Speaker 2: with work, so you can quote take time off and

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Speaker 1: Want to anticipate it.

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Speaker 2: So I think it was like October we were talking

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Speaker 3: Well, we were talking about the fact that we've been

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Speaker 3: talking about witches yes much, and we were like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be said, We're not gonna talk about witches anymore.

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Speaker 1: But then but.

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Speaker 2: Then you had the idea like, I wonder if there's

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Speaker 2: a Christmas witch, how there had to be yes, and

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Speaker 2: you were correct, You correct. There are multiple Christmas witches,

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Speaker 2: some of which are kind of like nice and.

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Speaker 1: Curb commercial.

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Speaker 2: Because we found a book as well called The Christmas Switch,

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Speaker 2: which is not what we were looking at looking for,

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Speaker 2: but maybe we'll look into one day. No, we were

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Speaker 4: Like we're talking Grim's fairy tale level.

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Speaker 2: And so we've had this outline since then four months

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Speaker 2: and yeah, today we are talking about Griela the Christmas Witch.

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Speaker 1: I will say I.

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Speaker 2: Looked up the pronunciation, but it was from a UK

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Speaker 2: video and this is an Icelandic which so hopefully Griela

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Speaker 1: And yeah, this was gonna be a bit shorter.

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Speaker 2: Because again, holidays have got a lot going on, not

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Speaker 2: too much as written about Greela sadly enough, although I

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to share it. Yes, oh it's so cool.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, if you have any details we missed

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Speaker 2: any Christmas witches we should shot out, please let us know.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, if you if you listen to this and

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Speaker 2: We have done so many episodes on witches, as you said,

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Speaker 2: episodes on monsters. We've done episodes on why women love monsters.

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Speaker 2: I would say our discussion of Bobby Yaga is particularly

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Speaker 1: Go check that one out if you'd like. That was

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Speaker 2: But Christmas whiches have roots in pagan history, to deities

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Speaker 3: Huh, I wonder if it's related to the line in

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Speaker 2: They weren't related at first. They kind of got you know,

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Speaker 3: So this gets a bit complicated in terms of how

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Speaker 1: People were at her whim and mercy, or the lack thereof.

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Speaker 3: Her physical descriptions have varied over the years, from more

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Speaker 2: So there's sheep coat clod he tries to suckle use

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Speaker 2: I think that's how you pronounce it. Sausage swiper he

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Speaker 2: Huge nose and an insatiable appetite for stolen baked okay

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Speaker 4: I like these very specific, right somewhat. Yeah, they are

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Speaker 4: Why do they have to lick so many things necessary?

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Speaker 2: I know, Well, it's funny too to me again, going

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I got a very big kick out

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of it, but as I mentioned at

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Speaker 2: I've heard of Krila because I went to Iceland to

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Speaker 1: This is his story.

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Speaker 2: No, sir, no, sir, I say, and this I've I

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Speaker 2: Apparently kids are still terrified of her. They're still are

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Speaker 2: there's definitely been kind of an embracing of of this creepier,

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Speaker 3: Family and her whole family. Yes, yeah, looking at the pictures,

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Speaker 1: But that's about what we could find.

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Speaker 1: Exactly what we were looking for for our.

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Speaker 2: Easy kind of winter episode, but fascinating and we could

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Speaker 1: No, we have to I have to at least mention this.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, obviously there's a lot of interesting ones about Frau

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Speaker 1: Nobody is safe from her.

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Speaker 2: But that was the one where I was like, whoa

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the guests, the celebrations now are of her

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Speaker 2: I think I think there's both, but I think I

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, she can still hold on too that claim.

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Speaker 2: Some of it involved like leaving smudges of feces on

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Speaker 2: Which is traditions that I found, So if you know

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