1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so podcast starts now. I guess has begun already. 2 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: It's like, already, it's a question podcast starts now? Now 3 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: now in all times, we're just going to start it 4 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: now in this era. Yeah, when we were bestowed a 5 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: podcast and told that we had to run this until 6 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: the day we perished. At first, I was overjoyed. Yeah, 7 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: when we were appointed by President Obama to start the 8 00:00:52,520 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: first real podcast of the Trump era, we said, we said, listen, 9 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: I feel like the fact that you're choosing us to 10 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: do this is kind of like emblematic of a lot 11 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: of people's criticisms of you. Oh George, I would love 12 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: for you to unpack that, maybe give us something. I 13 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: have nothing more to say. I mean, I thought it 14 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: was brave of me to speak up. But then you know, 15 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: he started giving us those medals. It was with Ellen 16 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: that same ceremony. I loved that ceremony. That's when we 17 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: got those medals. I was so touched. And yeah, I 18 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: was a little bit annoyed that the media coverage didn't 19 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: show us as much as they showed Ellen. Right. Well, 20 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: it was weird because everyone else was getting them for 21 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: like lifetime achievement. But we were best New Artists for 22 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: the Podcast category of the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: that category never gets the attention that it deserves. I 24 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: feel like, I remember, podcasts are are the life blood 25 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: of this nation, and yeah, and we're just ignored often. 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: It really is. I mean I remember when the girls 27 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: who host what's that podcast, Who's your Daddy? Call Your 28 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: Dad Eddie? No one talked about it, No one talked 29 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: about it. I love the president that these awards are 30 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: given out before the podcast ever comes out. I think 31 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: is so powerful. It's opprescient. No, it is that is 32 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: That is exactly what it is. When people think things 33 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: are prescient, you've got to give it up for that totally. 34 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: I did just want to very quickly say that we 35 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: are bordering on doing a literal John Earlier joke word 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: for word, Oh are we do you remember how he 37 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: had a thing where he was like, not everything is 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: eerily prescient, John, Really, if you can hear this smash 39 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: that r T, we'd love to have you. How fucking 40 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: pitiful is that? I love begging for urties you even 41 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: more pitiful than when we were upstaged by Ellen at 42 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: the Presidential Medal of Freedom ceremony hosted by um Sarah Silverman. 43 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah? Good George? UM, what, how so 44 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you're hungover today? I'm hungover? But you know what, Listen, 45 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: we say this every week, and I'm starting to think 46 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: that it's probably not We're not being very good role 47 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: models by beginning every episode by talking about how hungover 48 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: we are. We have been recording Sunday mornings. I mean, 49 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: I guess it is two pm, but like spiritually speaking, 50 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: Sunday mornings, and UM, so that is why we've been 51 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: hungover lately. It's not because we're just constantly you know, 52 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: binge drinking. Not there anything wrong with that. No, it's beautiful, 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: it's good. Um. But last night I had the experience 54 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: of meeting the first new people I have met since 55 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 1: Quarantine started. It was my first time introducing myself in 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: over three months. Did you stumble at all? Did you 57 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: forget your lines? Was it hard? Honestly? And I memorize 58 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: my sides. I I memorize the lines way ahead of time, 59 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: of course, and this was I mean, this was like 60 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: a four hour long ord deal. So it took a while. 61 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: I actually got the role before Quarantine started. Congratsmate, thank you. Um, 62 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: but I have to say. I was like, I was 63 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: not able to tell whether I was acting normally or not. 64 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: And then after we left, I was like, was I 65 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: being like there was a point where I was like 66 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: I thought I was being kind of like cute by 67 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: like fake fighting with my boyfriend and being like, I 68 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: can't believe you didn't know that. And then after it 69 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: was over, I was like, was that toxic? Yeah? That's 70 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: I mean, fake fighting to be cute is like kind 71 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: of classic toxic. Right, it's like tt to like it 72 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: was toxic. Yeah, no, it's true. He assured me it 73 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: wasn't toxic, But I really was like, if he was 74 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: a different person that was less chill, it would have 75 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: been toxic. George, as someone who knows you as well 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: as one can know a coworker, Yes, I think if 77 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: you were there and you were being yourself, I bet 78 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: it was normal. I bet you were being completely normal. 79 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: And if anything else, it's everyone else that was being weird. Yeah. No, 80 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: I do think everyone was matching each other's energy. It 81 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: was also we It was a gay cup game mail couple. Wait, 82 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: so that's stop right there, and let's celebrate that. Let's 83 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: not gay men. And they were married to one another. 84 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: That is the America I want. I think we should 85 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: legalize gay marriage. I mean, it's controversial, but I think 86 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: you're right, and I think we hear his tradio lab 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: believe that we. I if there is one issue that 88 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: I think the entire lgbt Q plus community should rally 89 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: around right now, it is same sex marriage. That is 90 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: the issue of our time. I keep going to these 91 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: protests and I keep saying I I will, I will pull. 92 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: I pull the mics away from people, and I pull 93 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: them the like little the thing the cheerleaders have away 94 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: from people, and I yell into it and I say, 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what this march is about, but I 96 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: just wanted to say, legalized same sex marriage now. And 97 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: the people, the people boo at you, They boo at you, 98 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: and you say, this is this is exactly what's wrong. 99 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: They're proving my point. They're proving my point because I all, 100 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm all I'm saying is that we should legalize same 101 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: sex marriage. And to think in in liberal, progressive Brooklyn 102 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: that there are people booing back, and I mean like 103 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: a diverse array of people booing me arguing for equal rights, 104 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: so so sad, heartbreak it just goes to show you, 105 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: you know, this isn't just a problem with like Trump 106 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: voters in Middle America. I mean, it is in our 107 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: own backyards. It's literally in our own backyards, which we 108 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: all have in Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. I mean, thank god, 109 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: everyone has a backyard. I don't know. All of our 110 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: friends have backyards and giant um apartments that they actually 111 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: don't pay for themselves. And that's our America, that is 112 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: every day America. UM. I think I can see on 113 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: the zoom our guests today, is um reacting in such 114 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: a way. I can't help but wonder if they would 115 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: want to hop in at this very moment. I usually 116 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: I'm the one that prematurely asks the guests to join us, 117 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: but this time it almost feels pointed, like you're trying 118 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: to make me stop talking. No, George, I would never 119 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: make you stop talking. I just feel I can't help 120 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: but feel like you wouldn't because you don't have that 121 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: power over me. You and all of the organizers of 122 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the various protests I have crashed do not have that 123 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: power over me. Um. I don't know. So would it 124 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: be crazy to bring in our guest right now? Or 125 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: is that, like, I guess. I mean, at this point, 126 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: it would be weird if I said no. I mean, 127 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: you were in unprecedented times. This can I do something 128 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: unprecedented like bringing the guest early? Yes, unprecedented times, this 129 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: is the time to legalize same sex marriage. I owe 130 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: a debriary. Where do you stand on that? Obviously I believe. 131 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: I believe in it. I think it will exist one day. 132 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: I just think, like, you know, it's tough when there's 133 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: big social issues and we have to be careful like 134 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: what we're like, you know, getting what we're addressing first. 135 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: Like I just think, like my family, I don't know, 136 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: I can't say like okay, like you know, um, by 137 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: the way, this is the year where we're going to 138 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: have um, no police, um, gay people getting married, ramps everywhere. Um, 139 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 1: you know what's next. So I just ramped like the 140 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: vegetable Oh I was thinking ramps like a skateboard ramps. No, 141 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: I'm ramps like the vegetables ms everywhere. They've banned a 142 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: lot of arms markets. It's that's crazy, and it's all 143 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: part of this. It's systemic. It's all part of the 144 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: same issue. The reason you can't get ramps anywhere is 145 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: the same reason you can't get gay married exactly. Here's 146 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: what I think is a solution all of this, but 147 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: a solution take all the police, okay, and and have 148 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: them work as um as like security guards at only 149 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: gay weddings. Okay, that's actually it. That's it. I just 150 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: feel like I don't have a problem with you know, 151 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: I think it's fine if two guys want to get married, 152 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: But why do they have to get gay married? Why 153 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: can't they just get regular married and be two guys? 154 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: And that that is so powerful, That is so powerful. 155 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: I think if two guys want to get married, it 156 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: can definitely happen, as long as it's sort of like 157 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: as a bit to sort of like scam some sort 158 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: of insurance company. Of course, that is powerful and beautiful 159 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: if that's the reason you're getting married. I agree. I 160 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: think also, um, I like any situation where two men 161 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: live together for a really long time and they've even 162 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: raised a child, um, but they're not like officially married, 163 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: and then one day when their child comes back and 164 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: it's like, I'm getting married and you have to meet, um, 165 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: the parents of my fiance, but you have to pretend 166 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: to be straight. I think that that's like healthy to me, 167 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: tearing up random and fun. I wish somebody could put 168 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 1: like that on a T shirt, like that is pride. Yeah, 169 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 1: you're right. Do you think women can be sorry? Do 170 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: you think women can be gay? No? I can't. I 171 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: feel like something is in my ears, Like I feel 172 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: like it would be really cool if women were gay. 173 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: I think it could be like random, like for sure, 174 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: right yeah, random. So women being gay, that's like women 175 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: like hooking up with men. Yeah, but they're kind of 176 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: like quirky about it. Yeah yeah, okay, that's cool. Yeah, 177 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting because women and men are so different, 178 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: and that men are gay and women are straight. That's 179 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: literally the great divide is that all men are gay 180 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: and all women are straight. It's so fucked up and toxic. Yes, 181 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: it's just like why we're in these streets. This is 182 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: why we march, this is why we protest, this is 183 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: why we DisCrit Now I get it. You shouldn't have 184 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: I shouldn't have um taken that microphone away from those 185 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: people because they would have explained to me that the 186 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: reason they were there is because women are straight and 187 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: men are Gay's the thing said, you know what, I agree. 188 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm with you on this. Yeah. I 189 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: feel like now is a time where a lot of people, 190 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it's really important to listen right 191 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 1: more than than speak sometimes. And I think that's like 192 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: a good lesson for you to have lived as well, 193 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: not to just read or see like a little Instagram 194 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,719 Speaker 1: infographic and post it and you lived it right and 195 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: you've made a mistake, but it's a teachable moment. And 196 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: now next time you go to a protest and you 197 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 1: see somebody getting ready to talk about gay marriage, you say, 198 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute, and listen, because I 199 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: think you're about to discover the all on them are straight? 200 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,439 Speaker 1: Are gay? Do you know what I think I should 201 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: do is go to the protests and then keep keep 202 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: stealing the mics and then tell my story about how 203 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: I learned that it is important to listen. You should 204 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: write a book and I'm going to put it on 205 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:25,680 Speaker 1: a reading list for people. Oh my god, yeah, Um, 206 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: can I tell you it's a secret. Yeah, Uh, I 207 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: won't tell anybody. Chucking Larry is like hot, you were 208 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: going to do this, like I'm not like I remember 209 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: when that trailer dropped and being like this is hot 210 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: to me and being like, I kind of want to 211 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: see this movie because I do want to see if 212 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: they like have sex like in the movie. Sam, absolutely 213 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: troubling and reveal all the things I've said. I mean, 214 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: I've pretty much said NonStop offensive things since we started 215 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: recording this episode. This is so much worse. I wanted 216 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: to see them have sex. There's a scene where they're like, 217 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: shower really work if we're only to please please, And 218 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: I was like, this movie seems hot, absolutely heartbreaking sentence. 219 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: I wanted to see them have sex. It's so it's 220 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: so honest, like there's no poetry about it. It's just 221 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: trying right now. It's subject verbs who wanted to watch 222 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:40,359 Speaker 1: them have sex. No, we get it, Sam, we understand 223 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 1: we So I wanted to check out this movie to see. 224 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: This is not a situation where you say it comes better. 225 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: It's this. It's maybe in the movie they have sex 226 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: like Blue, move the plot forward. I wanna this is 227 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: like this feels like the beginning of safe to me. 228 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: But instead of Sam being like I feel sick, you 229 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: just keep saying like I want to see Chuck in 230 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: Larry has sex. And we know we have to send 231 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,839 Speaker 1: you off to the desert. Sam has environmental illness like 232 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: Julianne Moore and safe Sam is environmentally ill. Right now, 233 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: I am sick. I'm sick with something wait safe predict covid. Oh, 234 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: I guess people have already said that. Never mind. Um, 235 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, am I a genius? Wait a minute, Random, Wait, 236 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: but are there movies about like illness that kind of 237 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: relate to our current moment? Should I make a list 238 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: of them and then publish it on the New Yorker 239 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: dot com? So random is do the right thing about 240 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: like sort of like society? Okay? Wait, wait, Random, I 241 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: made this reading list, you guys. I have this reading 242 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: list and it's White Fragility, Um, James Baldwin and Becoming 243 00:14:54,160 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: by Michelle Obama. Okay, random, I made this reading list. 244 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: It's Michelle Obama's Becoming right for Robin's The Singer, and 245 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: um my blog my Tumbler from two thousand and nine. 246 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: Do you want to know something funny? I was someone 247 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: posted something that was like how to not be a 248 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: performative ally? And I was like, first of all, already 249 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: it's like this is an Instagram graphic, but you know 250 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: that aside I was like, you know what I'm I'm 251 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: really interested in. Like I've tried to be very careful 252 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: about what I share because you don't know where things 253 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: are coming from. Like, for instance, whatever, we're not going 254 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: to go there, but I over the podcast that doesn't 255 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: go there. Are you gonna get mad at me for 256 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: my Instagram um graphic farm? No, no, not where. I 257 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: underpay Ris de Freshman to make Instagram graphics for me. Know. 258 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: My point is that if you followed who made this graphic, 259 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: it was literally a like a blonde woman who is 260 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: an influencer like her like pre pre that last two 261 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: we women are white. Have you ever heard of a 262 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 1: little miss Rachel Dola? All up? You ever heard of 263 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: a little miss Mary J. Bloge? Yeah? Thoughts so Mary J. 264 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: Bloge No, okay, So literally before all of this, if 265 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: you scroll down her Instagram, it's literally all just photos 266 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: of her and flow addresses and she's like Saturday vibes. 267 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: And then one day decided she was going to be 268 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: the authority on Performative ally Ship, so she made the graphic. 269 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: She made the graphic and then one of the slides 270 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: has the words source colon Wikipedia. Yes, Queen absolutely which 271 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: I love because it's like you could have just not 272 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: I mean, no one actually has to source the claims 273 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: they make on an Instagram graphic. But she was like, no, 274 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to cross all my tea Sason dot all 275 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 1: my eyes source Wikipedia. Wow, I love that. Oh oh 276 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: my god source stormfront dot com source my friend Stephanie. 277 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: And yeah she's white, Get over it. She's one of 278 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: the good ones. Look at she made a graphic. You 279 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: can't be pissed if you make a graphic. That means 280 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: you're one of the good ones. Yeah. Wait, what were 281 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: we talking about before I completely derailed the conversation. I 282 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: think we were talking about what we're talking about, pre 283 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: Chucking Larry Um meeting somebody for the first time. Oh yeah, wait, 284 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: do you remember Chuck and Larry when, like, like when 285 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: I just I have such a distinct memory of Jessica 286 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: Biel in the trailer for that movie where the whole 287 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: thing was like they were pretending to be gay, but 288 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: Jessica Bill was like, I have boobs, and then they 289 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 1: were like, oh god, I mean to say that movie 290 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: is my entire sexual fantasy? Is okay? Well, once again, 291 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: once again here we are. Is it Kevin James James, 292 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: Adam Sandler, and Adam Sandler. Yet that wanted to have 293 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: sex If we're not just to make things as clear 294 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: as possible, I wanted to see Kevin James and Adam 295 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: Sandler have sex, stimulated sex, fake sex. I wanted to 296 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: fake it. And Robin Williams plays the priest right like 297 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: the Mandy Moore movie. Oh, there's a Mandy Moore movie 298 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: called like wait is there's a Mandy Moore movie where 299 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: it's I think Mandy Moore maybe John Krasinski, and the 300 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: cover is them on a bed, but then Robin Williams 301 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: in the middle, and he's a priest, and I think 302 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: the whole thing is that they are trying to convince 303 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: this priest to marry them. Oh, License to Wed. And 304 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: both of these films are available in Criterion's Pride collection 305 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: available now. The Work can look like anything. Oh my god, 306 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: those are on my reading when I go when I under. 307 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I was going to say, what's the over 308 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: under on Audrey gellman um coming out with a new 309 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: women's workspace. But it's called the Work. It's called the 310 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: Work as opposed to the Wing Wing. Yeah, it's called 311 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: the work, and she has like a co chair that's 312 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: a black woman who she like. Last time she talked 313 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: to her was in high school. Would it be spelled 314 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: like differently, like kind of funny, like with an E 315 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: or something? Yes, now that I didn't even I didn't 316 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: realize that it was work, as in, like, you better work? 317 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? But it's also like she's like, 318 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: now that I have left the wing, I have worked 319 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: on myself. I realized it's time to do the work, 320 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: and I want to invite women to do it together. 321 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I literally now I get it listening 322 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: at all? Well, I think and this is sort of 323 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: why topic I pick didn't matter, And you know, maybe 324 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: we should get to the topic. Would that be crazy? 325 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: We should? I just very quickly want to say that 326 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: Audrey Gellman speak for me. Was when she played when 327 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: she guest starred on Girls. Do you remember that? You know? No? 328 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,199 Speaker 1: I don't, And that's fine, we can move on. What 329 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: did she play? She played like Adam's new girlfriend that 330 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: was like really quirky and had like feathery earrings. Classic. Yeah, 331 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: I love that episode. It's upsetting because it's because I'll 332 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: never be able to write an episode of TV as 333 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: good as that ever got christoff thinking about it. You know, 334 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: there was a part when, um, when HBO's Girls stopped existing, 335 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, but I'm not in it ever. 336 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Like now I'll just never be in HBO's Girls, like 337 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: I kind of felt like ever since, like kind of 338 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: waiting to be in HBO. Some HBO shows where it's like, okay, 339 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: so you're saying that you love the Brooklyn community, and yeah, 340 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: here here's me and Sam Taggart waiting in the wings, 341 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: showing up to the damn digance reading the damn sides. 342 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: We're not getting booked. I'm saying, wait a minute, what's 343 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: going on? I cannot believe I wasn't in um uh, 344 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: what's a recent HBO show? Have you been in high maintenance? 345 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: I have not been in high maintenance? Tim? Have you 346 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: been in high maintenance? I have not been in high maintenance. 347 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: But it's one of those things where it's like, you know, 348 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: like we I think we've said this on the pot. 349 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: It's like I haven't been on high maintenance, but like 350 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: I'm on high mainten. Yeah, we've said we haven't been 351 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 1: on high maintenance, but we are in a way in 352 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: High Maintenance. And then also, uh, we don't like Sam 353 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: hasn't actually created and starting girls, but he has in 354 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: many ways he has. I have you been on a 355 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: High Maintenance? I have not been on High Maintenance. That's weird, 356 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: that's crazy that we actually managed to find the only 357 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: three people you are. You might be our first guest 358 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: who hasn't been on High Maintenance. Credit is the last 359 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: the last Brookly comic to not be in or on 360 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: High Maintenance. That's a credit. That's absolutely a credit the 361 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: only Brooklyn comics that has been sort of like silently 362 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: banned from the High Maintenance. You've been shadow band from 363 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 1: High Maintenance. I'm talking about it. I've been blacklisted from 364 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: High Maintenance. Better be into the fucking Quarantine episode if 365 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm in the Zoom episode of High Banten are not 366 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: in the fucking Zoom episode of High Maintenance. I swear 367 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: to god conspiracy at that point. If you be and 368 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: dam aren't doing dabs on the Zoom episode of High Maintenance, 369 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: I will not be happy if I don't play a 370 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: subway performer that is suddenly revealed to be the son 371 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: of a conservative politician and also gay. Then and also 372 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: on Zoom. Then I will I'm quitting the business like 373 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: some sort of like visual artist who's throwing myself a 374 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: Zoom birthday party on high maintenance. I will be so upset, 375 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: you should be, And I'm going to like play the 376 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: person who, like everybody, thinks things are going really well. 377 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: But like secretly, now that I'm zooming from home, you 378 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: can see that my relationship actually isn't what it seems. 379 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: That was the most that's actually really good actually isn't 380 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: what it seems. Oh my god, you've been recast by 381 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: Sarah Highland. I'm so sorry. I'm literally happy. I know 382 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: you wrote the role for yourself, but wait, Sarah Higland 383 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: is actually here. She's worth about the film. Yeah, she's 384 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: really really good at it. I can go. Hey, guys, right, wait, sorry, 385 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: I were actually changing most of what you wrote, and 386 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: Sarah Highland is rewriting it. Sorry. I wanted to write. 387 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 1: I wanted to write for years, So I'm ready to go. 388 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: All right, are you ready? Boys? Sarah, you've really you've 389 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: wanted to branch into writing ever since you started doing 390 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: Modern Family. Yeah, ever since I started doing Modern Family 391 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: and I was rereading my journals and I was like, 392 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: we mean, I'm actually really good writer. So I basically 393 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: turned everything into scripts and jesse Tyler Ferguson encouraged you 394 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: to to to reach out to people. Yeah, well he 395 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: actually he's you know, a lot of people don't know 396 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: this about Jessie Tyler Ferguson. He's actually a writer, is well, 397 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: and in many weeks he's my mentor um and he 398 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: gave me a lot of really productive notes on my script. 399 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I gotta know how was working with him on set. 400 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: It was so amazing. He's so funny and he does 401 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: so many pranks. Sarah, I have a question for you. Yes, 402 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 1: there is this um uh, an old friend of mine. 403 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: I haven't spoken her in years. Her name was Ioa Debris, 404 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: but there's like a rumor going around that she wrote 405 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: the first draft of the episode that that you wrote. Yeah, Hollywood, 406 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: is really funny that a lot of people like to do, 407 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: you know, say rumors and and spread gossip. Yeah, but um, 408 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: that actually is not true. Um she's really toxic and 409 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: also can't read, So I don't I think it's crazy 410 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: that people would say that an episode. Yeah sorry, sorry, girly, Girly, Wait, 411 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: where do you stand on girly. Oh, this is a 412 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: new segment. Where do you stand on girly? I think 413 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: it's not for me. I like to I like to 414 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: some I like to say it because I think it's 415 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: funny sometimes, but I don't think I've ever used it seriously. Yeah, 416 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: is like a secret code language that various um white 417 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: women comedians online used the kind of signal uh signal 418 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 1: to one another that you know they're about to rise up. 419 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: There are there's like girlies. You're like more like mobilizing 420 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: the other girls writing is mobilized. I think it's like 421 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,440 Speaker 1: there's the girls, right, and then the girls call out 422 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: to and mobilize the girlies. Okay, so like the girls 423 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: are like the generals and the girlies are the troops. Sorry, 424 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 1: I only understand things when they're like in Armynent. I 425 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: know you're like the tour you always if you have 426 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: a gun, like you keep waving your gun on zoom. 427 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: It's how I let people don't I want to talk? 428 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Do you think Sarah Highlands? When Sarah Highland's episode of 429 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: High Maintenance goes viral and she's the new sensation multi 430 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: hyphen it, do you think she will then reboot Girls 431 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: and call it girlies? Do I think that? Is that 432 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 1: something that? I think? That's what you think about every day? 433 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: Have you been thinking about? And then she will finally 434 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: reconcile with Io when she casts Io as girl at party. 435 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: Oh that would be fun. I love your necklace. Okay, 436 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: let's get the real ready, Okay, let's do it. We're 437 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna bring in our topic. Yeah, no, let's do straight shooters. 438 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: What do you think oh our first segment? Yeah? Okay, 439 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: do you think that's yeah, let's play straight shooters. Yeah, 440 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: let's do straight shooters. No, that's really a good idea. 441 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: You're so mad. No, I'm not. I'm literally not mad. 442 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: I just like seem that way sometimes, like I'm not mad, George, 443 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: I literally think sorry, but I literally think Sam isn't mad. 444 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 1: And the way that you're speaking right now, I just 445 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: want you to know I think that you're not. You're 446 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: not understanding that he's on that, and neither mine. To 447 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: be honest, you're not You're not part of this, like 448 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: you're a guest. Okay, wait a minute. Who's been producing 449 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: your episodes, cutting everything, designing the art, walking into your 450 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: accounts and running your social media pull that against us 451 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: forever like me, it's a job. Yeah, but like I 452 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: don't like the dentist that I have underneath your benefits. 453 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: I want I want a different dentist. Also, if we're 454 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: talking about this, like I like you haven't been like 455 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: churning out infographics like we need right now, Like that's 456 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: not my fault. The risty students are starting to unionize, 457 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: and it's a bad because if when the girlies unionized, 458 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: it's I mean, then it's Shirak, Oh my god and 459 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: all girly remake of Shirak still directed by Spike Lee 460 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: though yeah, but written by Sarah Hiland. Okay, okay, good. 461 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: I want to get Straight Shooters over with so we 462 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: can go back to to whatever this podcast is. I 463 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: obviously you know what it is. We don't even have 464 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: to explain it, so let's okay. So, but for any 465 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: new listeners that may have decided that this is their 466 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: first episode that they want to listen to, Straight Shooters 467 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: is a segment if you decided this is your first episode, 468 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: go back, go back and come back here do the work. 469 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Audrey Glmett, we know with you girl. Listen to Bowen, 470 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: Listen to Max Wizard, Listen to Amy Zimmer listen to Yeah, 471 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: I did my research. Incredible, you actually did do the research. 472 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean when I'm asked to do a pod, 473 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: my ass is not doing any research. Just okay, Wow, 474 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: he knows the guts. I'm listening to these nights of 475 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: this pod. Okay, But if you are one of these 476 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: freaks and losers who's listening to this for the very 477 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: first time, Straight Shooters is like where we ask a 478 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: series of rapid fire question to like engauge our guests, 479 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: like familiarity or whatever with straight culture. I guess did 480 00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: I just say that I sounded stupid? Right? Sam? Look 481 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: at me? Yes, you are not stupid. I'm an idiot. 482 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: He didn't say if he was, or was it he 483 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: has if he sounded that way. Again, It's like we're 484 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: trying to have a conversation and you think this is 485 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: about you. I'm just I want a different dentist, and 486 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm not going to shut up till I get one. 487 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm trying to see somebody. You literally got entirely new 488 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: veneers made of the finest material. Yeah. Literally, your teeth 489 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: are blinding. My teeth are ivory cut from damn Hilary 490 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: fucking duff and you have the nerve to come here 491 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: and complain about your dentity because I want them fucking bigger. 492 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: I want my teeth because I'm not going to stop 493 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: until my jaw hinges, because my teeth are so until 494 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: you look like venom. I I was suing us because 495 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: her dental insurance doesn't cover wanting your teeth to look 496 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: like venom. I found that them just too good. And 497 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: I don't want to pay out a pocket and if 498 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: you won't cover me, then I'll take it to fucking court. 499 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 1: I don't care. I know lawyers on Twitter. Oh no, 500 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: oh no, I know people lawyers on Twitter. I actually, 501 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: you know what's crazy. I literally ran into a lawyer 502 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: I know from Twitter yesterday on the street. Is that true? Yeah? 503 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: You're lying. Stephen Patrick Ross is his name? No, you're lying, 504 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: Stephen Um. Let me think, uh. Stephen Um sees Patrick 505 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: from SpongeBob. Patrick sees the Ross Clothing Store, Ross sees 506 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: Diana Ross in the Ross Ross Dress for Last with 507 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: my cousin who is named Ross Petting Moss, who's the 508 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: on the Ross in the Ross with My Guts? And 509 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: Ross Petting Boss with Carly Love for Who's the boss, 510 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: I'm at a loss. Okay, hire me. Hired me and 511 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: Sam as a writing team. Hire us. Damn fuck wow, 512 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: this is crazy. Okay, our first sement, Our first segment. 513 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: We've been recording for forty seven minutes. You could have 514 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: chimed in with a rhyme. You could have tried with rhyme. 515 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: It was a really easy rhyme to hit like. You 516 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: could have started this by saying the name of a 517 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: real person I know, and then you to circle back 518 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: to your lives. Let's get this game started because I 519 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,880 Speaker 1: can't listen to George July anywhere. What Citi bike or 520 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: Revel scooter? Oh I think Revel. Okay, you know what 521 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: I O? Um, Scottie Pippen or Pip in the musical, Um, 522 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen performative ally ship or a Bachelor of Arts 523 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: and Performance Studies. Um a Bachelor of the Arts in 524 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: Performance Study. Yeah, education is important. Okay okay, Um, drop 525 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: a deuce or drop a brick. Drop a deuce? Okay. 526 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: A movie that wins the Audience Award at Sundance but 527 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: then doesn't hold up well. Or a gritty detective series 528 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: on f X that has a surprisingly well rounded guest 529 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: roll for Jean Triple Horn. What is wrong with y'all? 530 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: The Questionroom, Audience, Audience, Audience Awards, Sundance. Okay, A squared 531 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: plus B squared equals C squared or math is gay? 532 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: Math is gay? A multinational corporation with terrible labor practices, 533 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:20,120 Speaker 1: or a millennial startup with a toxic workplace culture. Oh 534 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: I think millennials start up. Okay, Wait, Samma, do you 535 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: have another one? No? Sure, yes, yes you do. Okay, 536 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: I got it in just in time. Open my comedy, 537 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 1: open mic poetry, or finance. I really thought you were 538 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: going to say our open mic eagle. Damn, that's actually smarter. 539 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: That's actually smarter. Okay, she's hired. Um Open my poetry. 540 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 1: I had a summer where I was being swindled by poets. Yeah, 541 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: but I hooked to put three poets and it was 542 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: really toxic and thought why I get out of here? Yeah? 543 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: I was on hooks up with three different people of 544 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 1: the same kind. Yeah, that's beautiful. Well, I guess it 545 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: only happened once. But Andrescovea UM dated three guys one 546 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: month huh. Yeah, and in fact we made them um 547 00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,720 Speaker 1: like give them personalities. If they were the three little pigs. 548 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: So I O of the three poets you, well, first 549 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: of all, we have to rank you on a scale 550 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: of one to one thousand dubs. I think this is 551 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: a Um, well, George, you do it, No, you do it. Okay, 552 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: I'll do it. I'm gonna say you got four five dubs. Okay, 553 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: exactly how much I was gonna say. All right, that's solid. 554 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: I can live with that amount of doves, and we 555 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: will be sending you that many live ducks to your apartment. 556 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: Is that okay? Whatever I want with them? What are 557 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: you gonna do? That's what I mean? All bets raining. Wow, 558 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 1: that sounds like a good video. Yeah, we're all gonna 559 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: dance just fully blue snot everywhere. You're human, you're raw, 560 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: and you're human and beautiful. Um, wait, what we're gonna do? 561 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: Before we gave iowa rating of doves, we were talking 562 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: about something. Oh yeah, IOU of the three poets you 563 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: hooked up, can you please? Um if each of them 564 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: was a member of three l W who would they be? Okay, okay, okay, 565 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: there's one, Okay, there's one who's now married. Um, and 566 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,760 Speaker 1: I actually forget who's in three where they overlap. Okay, 567 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,920 Speaker 1: that is your crossed to bear. Do they not overlap? 568 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: That's definitely true, right threeal w one of the members 569 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: of three Wait, yeah, yeah, yah, that's one with a lisp. 570 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: That's um Kiley correct, correct this promise to promise. Okay, 571 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: so we I'll actually said the one who's okay, there's 572 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: one who's like also was Sculptor, and I think he's 573 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: promise it promises. I think he's Kei ly Um because 574 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: he still follows me on Instagram, okay, and and and 575 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: that and that's sort of like and like that's a 576 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 1: list that's like, that's a that's prompted promises. Okay. Then 577 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: the one who's married right now I think is Adrian 578 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: by Yan, who's like she also was the Cheetah Girls. Yeah, okay, 579 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: god three was just a training ground for Cheetah for 580 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: the Cheetah Girls. And then and then the one who 581 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't And sometimes we'll we'll send each other like 582 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: funny things on Twitter. But I'm like, while your life 583 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: is like is like like together now, like you're like 584 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: you're a married person like you are on the real 585 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: marriage is essentially the real to me. And then the 586 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: one I don't talk to anymore? Is the is the 587 00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: is the other one? Okay, okay, I literally don't know 588 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: who these people are. Can can you do it? And like, okay, 589 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 1: if like can all these poets? Right? Yeah? Okay, I 590 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: have them straight in my head. So there's Sculptor, one, 591 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: married one and the third one. What's his defining characteristic 592 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 1: that I don't talk to him anymore? Don't talk to 593 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: him anymore? I think he's really cool still and I'm like, 594 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: you're a good person, okay, but we just don't talk. 595 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,920 Speaker 1: Can you do? Um? These poets each one as like 596 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: the starting Pokemon in like a red or blue version. Okay, question, Okay, 597 00:39:53,800 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: that's bulb store, right yeah yeah, yeah, okay, Sculpture is Squirtle, 598 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: Mary is Charmander. What I know? Talked about your what 599 00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: was more? Got him? Daddy? How long ago is it 600 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: that you hooked up with these poets? I mean maybe 601 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: like three years now, three or four years? Yeah? I was, 602 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was just I was just thirteen. Okay, 603 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:44,360 Speaker 1: So we need to introduce our topic topic. Take it away, girly, okay, girlies, 604 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:49,640 Speaker 1: gather around um okay. Wait, So initially George came on 605 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: my podcast, and when he came on, he sent me 606 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: a list of things, a list of things that he 607 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: might talk about. And then when I and then when 608 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: George invited me here, I made a list of things 609 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: that I was like, oh, maybe I could talk about 610 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: these things. And then um my list um was movies, libraries, church, podcasting, 611 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 1: being straight and then animal Crossing and then I said, well, 612 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: actually everyone in Animal Crossing is either queer or ace. 613 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: So then that sort of canceled that up here. I 614 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: actually didn't really I I just thought it was like 615 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: thinking of topics. And then it came to me in 616 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: a dream. I was sleep soundly in my bed, ocean 617 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: waves crashing in the distance, and I woke up with 618 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:47,920 Speaker 1: a start and I said, ah, here is the topic. Whiteness, whiteness, 619 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:59,640 Speaker 1: white whiteness. Okay, well, good chatting luys later, Well this 620 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 1: has been the podcast. Have an amazing day. Um. I 621 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: think one of the most destructive things you can do 622 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: is compare. Is compare is like when gay people, when 623 00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,359 Speaker 1: like white gay people compare their plate to other, um 624 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:24,360 Speaker 1: oppressed groups. Now it does feel like we're setting up No, 625 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 1: it's true, Yeah, what's true. It's true. Whenever Um, like 626 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: a white gay man says that he says the press 627 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 1: as a black woman. It's true. Because here's the thing, right, 628 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,279 Speaker 1: All oppression is math. So if you basically just add 629 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: up like two things like okay, group kind of poor 630 00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: and your game one plus one, that equals one big oppression. Um, 631 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,120 Speaker 1: and so that's actually how the math work. Yeah, I 632 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: mean Beyonce taught me that one plus one equals two. 633 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, glib, keep going, George, No, keep going. But 634 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,240 Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know about whiteness 635 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: as a straight topic. Yes, because to me, right, all 636 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: the things I was thinking about, I was thinking really hard. 637 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: I was. I was thinking so hard that I said, 638 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: I mean, this is your job, Like this podcast is 639 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,880 Speaker 1: your job. So it makes sense. It's my it's my 640 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,080 Speaker 1: dental insurance, it's my house, it's all my socks are 641 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,360 Speaker 1: tied up. It was in this job. Um, all of 642 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 1: my creative pursuits are here. And so you know it's tricky. 643 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: It's tricky, tricky. Um. But all the things I was 644 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: thinking about, its quoting trucks. Uh, those are the two things. 645 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,399 Speaker 1: Boston was a possible topic. And I said, wait a minute, 646 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: all these things they come back to the rooted root. Listen, 647 00:43:56,080 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 1: minister Io Faricon. I know, no, it's true. I mean 648 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: and I I do think that could be said for 649 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: a lot of the topics we've done. I'm like trying 650 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: to think back. I mean with Max we Tod Denver whiteness, Um, 651 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean talk about I mean Lake culture with Bowen's whiteness. 652 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: That's whiteness. Um what was the jest that was right? 653 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: But that's whiteness. I mean, Lady GoGG, he's white, he's Italians. 654 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking the concept of times, the concept of 655 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,839 Speaker 1: time is black or or the concept of time is white. 656 00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:56,920 Speaker 1: But we're moving the concept of time is black. Um. 657 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 1: But wait a okay, I feel like we're there is 658 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: a current reckoning happening where people are trying to educate 659 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:16,480 Speaker 1: themselves about whiteness by reading what do you think? I mean, like, 660 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 1: I think it's kind of like it's wrong. Um, it's 661 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 1: also I mean, first of all, it's wrong. Um, I 662 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 1: mean I get if you are like sensitive or whatever, 663 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,759 Speaker 1: you're like I need somebody to ease me into this, 664 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,240 Speaker 1: but also like I don't care, like but also okay, 665 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,640 Speaker 1: brave news, I don't care. It's also it's just weird 666 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 1: to me. I like Rave tweeted about this where people 667 00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,200 Speaker 1: are like doing all this homework and like stressing out 668 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000 Speaker 1: about all this like homework. But it's like black people 669 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 1: have been and other people of color have been saying 670 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:55,920 Speaker 1: this stuff for like sent like a like a centuries 671 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: a century, you know, if not more, and like it's 672 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,520 Speaker 1: out there, but it's just always been homework or like 673 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,520 Speaker 1: set aside to like be you know, like this is 674 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,319 Speaker 1: the hard stuff, so you just gotta you know, we'll 675 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: save it for a time when you're ready to take 676 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: in the hard stuff. And it's like, yeah, I don't know, 677 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: well I think what's happening. Yeah, it's like I think 678 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,719 Speaker 1: here's and this is I'm not sure if this is 679 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,600 Speaker 1: a straight thing or just the way thing, but what's happening, 680 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:28,480 Speaker 1: I feel is like the viewing race through the or 681 00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: like having a conversation about whiteness rather than having a 682 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:39,280 Speaker 1: conversation about like the about like the people who are oppressed. 683 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 1: Then people are like people feel like it's very revelatory 684 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: because they're like, oh, this is a new way to 685 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: look at it, Like we are the ones who need 686 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,360 Speaker 1: to do the work. It's not about like you know, whatever. 687 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: But then that in turn means that that then then 688 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: white people are centered in the conversation and then they 689 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,399 Speaker 1: suddenly become really excited to do a hostile take because 690 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,399 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my god, I guess they never about 691 00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,480 Speaker 1: it that way. It's also take over of my Instagram 692 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,480 Speaker 1: graphics farm, like it's like that. Um, yeah, I mean 693 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 1: I think it's like because also there's a thing where 694 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if you're a white person, you've been 695 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 1: like laboring, and then you're putting all of this into 696 00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,719 Speaker 1: a book. Then like I guess, then go off, go 697 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: off girly. Um, are you talking about the girl start Robin? Yes? Um, right, 698 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: but yeah, but then also it's you're profiting off of 699 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:38,040 Speaker 1: that and then going into businesses and ultimately still doing 700 00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:46,439 Speaker 1: like sensitivity seminars and set up uplifting black and other 701 00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: POC voices. And we're still figuring out how we feel 702 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:59,479 Speaker 1: about POC and biopic Um I love bisexual POC. Really 703 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: by opening came out, but am I wrong? It was 704 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: a new release. It's definitely it's like the only movie 705 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: of like acronyms. Oh so is it? Because I I 706 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: don't know if you if this person like is he 707 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: came to speak when I when I was in college. 708 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: Do you know Tim Wise? No? Yeah, Like that's okay. 709 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,920 Speaker 1: So Tim Wise's whole thing is like talking about white privilege, 710 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: I guess, and he's white, Like how do those people 711 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: like do those people think they're doing good? It's like 712 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: the whole thing. It's like they're like no one else 713 00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: is doing and also being like this hurts me a 714 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:53,279 Speaker 1: libra but oh tragically. Oh it's crazy that you know 715 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: Tim Wise is a libra. I guess you googled him? No, 716 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,560 Speaker 1: I just I keep it in my mind. Well, the 717 00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,759 Speaker 1: other thing would have conversations about whiteness or about white 718 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: privilege on its own, rather than having conversations more broadly 719 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: about like dynamics, like social dynamics, is that you can 720 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,120 Speaker 1: essentially have an entire conversation, presumably about racism that only 721 00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 1: talks about white people. And I've had those conversations and 722 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,719 Speaker 1: they're annoying. Um, they're so annoying. I feel like also, like, 723 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:27,359 Speaker 1: I mean a lot of gay people to that thing, 724 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,040 Speaker 1: especially gay white people, were You're having conversations and they're like, yeah, 725 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: it's like so crazy. You know, like I grew up 726 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: gay and that was insane, and it's like there are 727 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 1: people who are also people of color and gay at 728 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: the same time. My ex roommate and then I'll just 729 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,880 Speaker 1: sort of like speak about her liberally because because whatever. Um, 730 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960 Speaker 1: but she she was like from the South and her 731 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,400 Speaker 1: girlfriend was also from the South. And when everything was 732 00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,839 Speaker 1: you know, going on, like none of them are really 733 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,920 Speaker 1: posting anything or talking to their families, but they're like 734 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: go you know, they like go to a protest and 735 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 1: they're like this is so sad, and I'm like, okay, 736 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 1: but like it's not because like you're still able to 737 00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: have like movie nights with your friends and like go 738 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: out to like restaurant. Like you're not actually sitting with this, 739 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: like like you're not actually applying this to your life 740 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: in a in a way that to me, that's straight. Yeah, 741 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,000 Speaker 1: I do think it's a straight thing to like take 742 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,759 Speaker 1: on causes as accessories. Yeah, Like I feel like also 743 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: I think also I think do you know what I 744 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: think really started a lot of like our current culture 745 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,840 Speaker 1: is the concept of having pieces of flair like in 746 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:51,239 Speaker 1: office space, go on. It's like or the concept of 747 00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: like bumper stickers. It's like it's basically kind of like 748 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,720 Speaker 1: it's almost like yeah, it's almost exist debate or having 749 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: opinions as aesthetic objects or like it's like Mr. Basketball 750 00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:15,320 Speaker 1: is literally like yeah yeah, or just like merch like 751 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,239 Speaker 1: basically anything to to immediately externalize your opinion rather than 752 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,879 Speaker 1: have it be in your brain for one second. Well 753 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,040 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's Twitter culture, that would it's your homographic, 754 00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:32,200 Speaker 1: it's sharing, and it's the like. But it's like literally 755 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:38,680 Speaker 1: just just take a moment and chat privately talk definitely, 756 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,399 Speaker 1: and I mean we can get into this, but we're 757 00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,680 Speaker 1: definitely dealing with what where a lot of people are 758 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:50,400 Speaker 1: chatty chat chat chat chatter, rooting, chat chat chatting, people 759 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,880 Speaker 1: be chatting, people be chatting, and then it's like, I 760 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,399 Speaker 1: don't know what. I also just think it's very clear 761 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,759 Speaker 1: to me, especially being a black person. Right now, I'm 762 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: like I know who you are and I know who 763 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,759 Speaker 1: you've been, and so it's very clear. When it's like 764 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,399 Speaker 1: very transparent, I think people don't even realize it where 765 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:21,040 Speaker 1: it's just like how you're processing things, whether like you know, 766 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that doesn't need to be humor, but 767 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,000 Speaker 1: if you're like so obsessed with having a hot take 768 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:35,160 Speaker 1: or you know, publicly seeming like you're can't even think 769 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: something people people can't see this, But Sahim and I 770 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: are about to explode the way we are. It's just 771 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: very tight lift never been tighter. This is the only 772 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:56,120 Speaker 1: podcast that guarantees we will not go there. We will 773 00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:00,960 Speaker 1: not go there that brings up topics vaguely, sort of 774 00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:05,879 Speaker 1: under a guise of a lot of language, and directly 775 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,719 Speaker 1: say what we are talking about. Somebody commented under one 776 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,919 Speaker 1: of my tweets the other day they were like queen 777 00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: of sub tweets, and I was like, to me, this 778 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,040 Speaker 1: is very over and if your feelers are getting hurt 779 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,680 Speaker 1: by it, well then that's your own problem. I'm not 780 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:23,960 Speaker 1: subbing anybody. I'm just I'm just I'm chatting to this 781 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,200 Speaker 1: is a conversation. Oh my, it is. I mean to 782 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,279 Speaker 1: your point, I O, it is interesting how people I 783 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,960 Speaker 1: think you can't see them. Yeah, you know what I mean. 784 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: It's like everyone knows, like people are smart enough to 785 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,400 Speaker 1: know who each other are. If someone like says something, 786 00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,840 Speaker 1: I still know who that person is, Like I see you. 787 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean, there's like a lot of like I feel 788 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,520 Speaker 1: like nervous um, like preemptive rebranding, like everybody's like getting 789 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,200 Speaker 1: ready to like rebrand justin it's like like a new 790 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,719 Speaker 1: world order, right strike. Yeah, the most exciting part of 791 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:07,840 Speaker 1: this moment is all the rebranding. You can feel it. 792 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: You can really feel a yeah wow, people being like, Okay, 793 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,160 Speaker 1: I gotta reading my whole thing and that when you 794 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: know I'm going to come back in August with like 795 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,680 Speaker 1: a whole new perspective, and uh, that's also my thing. 796 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, don't you don't have to be fake about it? 797 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,360 Speaker 1: Like if you're not, then you're not like like you 798 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,719 Speaker 1: can try to learn or whatever, but like and and 799 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: do your best. But I'm like, that's why I almost 800 00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,919 Speaker 1: like it's okay to it's okay to it is okay 801 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,960 Speaker 1: to keep something private. I think people do feel like 802 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,760 Speaker 1: an anxiety about wanting to also publicly seem like they're 803 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,160 Speaker 1: learning and regaining. But it's like, I men, be real, 804 00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 1: like not all of us can read PDFs of black literas. 805 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,040 Speaker 1: I'm literally not in college right now, you know what 806 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,319 Speaker 1: I mean. Like I'm just not in college right now. Yeah, 807 00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:04,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like it's like I don't know. 808 00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,840 Speaker 1: It's it's also, yeah, I have this problem with reading 809 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,000 Speaker 1: list is that they're kind of like overly um uh, 810 00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, like kind of performative. Sam's is just like 811 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,400 Speaker 1: is not in college right now. It doesn't want to 812 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:23,239 Speaker 1: stop reading. It's like, I mean, I'm I've literally been 813 00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: reading one book by Ursula Kyla Gwin for six months. 814 00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: I cannot finish this boring asked book. But I'm stuck 815 00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,880 Speaker 1: with it. I can't start up new pdf. I'm reading 816 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:40,839 Speaker 1: a damn book that's boring. That's of luck with the Ursula. Obviously, 817 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:50,480 Speaker 1: that's obviously people are it's strange to just feel also 818 00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,400 Speaker 1: like a lot of people are doing learning and you 819 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,160 Speaker 1: want to be like supportive and you want to be 820 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,040 Speaker 1: like okay, like you are interested. So that is why 821 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,960 Speaker 1: you're going to read. That's why you're gonna stream White 822 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 1: Fragility by Robin now available on Spotify and Apple Music. 823 00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,760 Speaker 1: But it's it's also the thing where it's like okay, 824 00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,960 Speaker 1: but now, like why I have to be responsible for 825 00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,480 Speaker 1: telling you like this is not great, or like you 826 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: shouldn't be giving money to Shaun King because he's like 827 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: there's like or like the ray is cool, but is 828 00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: he actually doing like the most accessible groundbreaking work sort 829 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: of let the best say you know I or I, 830 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:39,520 Speaker 1: but um, you know, it's an interesting time and like 831 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: forcing me to reckon, like like like you're like chilling 832 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,640 Speaker 1: and like I have to like be like wrecking and 833 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: like you know, wrestling in my brain, that's straight. That's 834 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,640 Speaker 1: that's that's straight. That's me being like do I send 835 00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:04,040 Speaker 1: the text or not? Do you can I ask me something? People? 836 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 1: There has been behavior that I have become aware of 837 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:21,280 Speaker 1: gorgeous opening though it's like people our age and it 838 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,560 Speaker 1: will be like a white person basically like texting a 839 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:31,000 Speaker 1: black friend or acquaintance sometimes like either asking like in 840 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,440 Speaker 1: order to fact check something, being like check with a 841 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: black person, asking them like is this true if they 842 00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:39,640 Speaker 1: read something? Or asking them like, um, do you know 843 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,919 Speaker 1: of places to donate you know if they or whatever, 844 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:48,800 Speaker 1: or like asking them like, um, like is the or 845 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: some controversy happens, asking them so that they can make 846 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,400 Speaker 1: sure they have like the quote right opinion, which I 847 00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 1: feel like that has been happening. Acquaintance, Um, of course 848 00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,200 Speaker 1: I really do not like person you hung out with once. 849 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm glad I made an in fact, but 850 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:11,360 Speaker 1: leave me alone. Um. Something that's sort of been shocking, 851 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,560 Speaker 1: and I can't believe I'm saying this. I don't you. 852 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm not even sure if I believe it. Um. Black 853 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 1: people are also different, um and have different frames of 854 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: experience and um beliefs, um. And so even though some 855 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: of them are like you know, there are some things 856 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 1: that are sure universal or like we know to be 857 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,160 Speaker 1: true or false. Like I mean, people stand on different 858 00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: like you know, the standing in different places on different issues, 859 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,760 Speaker 1: and I don't know, even there's some people who people 860 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: are like retweeting and posting and it's like, I'm like, 861 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,640 Speaker 1: just dude is wrong. So wait a minute, What's what's 862 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:54,920 Speaker 1: going on? This nice sucks? So what do we do 863 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: about that? You know, it also goes back to the 864 00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,160 Speaker 1: whitness thing, because is when you're centering whiteness, then the 865 00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: way that you interpret uh, people who are not white 866 00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:10,040 Speaker 1: is through their relationship to whiteness necessarily, like there are 867 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,400 Speaker 1: elements of someone who isn't white that have nothing to 868 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 1: do with like the relationship to racism or their relationship 869 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 1: to whiteness. George, you're saying that. I mean, literally minutes ago, 870 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 1: I was saying I'm not in college, and you're saying that, 871 00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe like maybe maybe it's time for me to go 872 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,560 Speaker 1: back to college. Maybe I'm literally for me to go 873 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,920 Speaker 1: back to college. So that's what I've learned. I don't know. 874 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's like trying to figure it 875 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,960 Speaker 1: all out and people and people are going to be 876 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: right sometimes that people are going to be wrong, but 877 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:49,200 Speaker 1: I think as long as they like spirit of like I, 878 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,760 Speaker 1: you know, I might be wrong here, I'm willing to learn. 879 00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,240 Speaker 1: If part of this process is me accepting that I 880 00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,640 Speaker 1: could potentially be wrong, I think I would have a 881 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 1: problem with that. That doesn't I mean, I'm trying. I'm sorry. 882 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to make things as easy as possible for everybody. 883 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,720 Speaker 1: And I really would like to apologize. And I know, 884 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,800 Speaker 1: and I know, I'm know, and I'm still trying obviously, 885 01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 1: and you know it's um and I'm really and I'm 886 01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:15,000 Speaker 1: evenly sorry because I just didn't mean I'm sorry. What's 887 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,800 Speaker 1: going on. I just want to say, if there's anything 888 01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:19,360 Speaker 1: you should take away from this is like you you 889 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,120 Speaker 1: have to do work, okay, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, 890 01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,920 Speaker 1: thank you, you're right. Yeah, I've been really lazy and 891 01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: um not really thinking um in any way, and and 892 01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:34,000 Speaker 1: so yeah, thank you and recognizing that is the first step. 893 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:44,200 Speaker 1: So whiteness is straight. So being white, I'm straight, you're 894 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're working against it in a beautiful way, 895 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,840 Speaker 1: but you're working against it for sure. So if you're 896 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: white and you're gay, that's activism. So so if you're gay, 897 01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: you're you get to like speak sort of like the 898 01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 1: hold on. I think maybe something got um. I think 899 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,479 Speaker 1: maybe something got crossed, like the lines got crossed or something. 900 01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:13,320 Speaker 1: Maybe I cut out for a little bit or something. Hello, Hello, guys, 901 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:27,440 Speaker 1: Hey can you hear me? He hello, I can't Okay, Well, um, 902 01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:35,200 Speaker 1: this has been I'm George. Uh, I'm io, and I'm 903 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Sarah Highland. Play guys, really make sure it was like, 904 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: um no, I mean, I don't know. I think it 905 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,400 Speaker 1: is just like you are like fighting against it, and 906 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:50,160 Speaker 1: sometimes it is just like yeah, even though you are, 907 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's okay. It's how the Irish became white, okay, 908 01:01:56,200 --> 01:02:01,400 Speaker 1: um where I don't know. It's like gay people were 909 01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: just like the Irish. God, oh my god, um so 910 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: did we do a good job? Did not? Hey do? 911 01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm just like, I guess here's the thing and this 912 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,640 Speaker 1: is not my um my story to tell, but I do. 913 01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,920 Speaker 1: I have been seeing the kinds of conversations people have 914 01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: been having in public because that's all I can see, 915 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: And then I know what kinds of conversations I'm having 916 01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: in private that are not public um, And I'm like, 917 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 1: are we going? Are people understanding things more or less? 918 01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:48,760 Speaker 1: Because sometimes you will watch, like you'll read things from 919 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: like you know, earlier eras of activism and earlier eras 920 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,560 Speaker 1: of like mass social awakening, and you're like, these people 921 01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,800 Speaker 1: actually make more sense than like these Instagram graphics and 922 01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,440 Speaker 1: part of because it's like we're like trying to be 923 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 1: aware of so many things at the same time, and like, 924 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,000 Speaker 1: for example, like I don't know, I was listening to 925 01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,560 Speaker 1: like an old Malcolm X speech and where it's also 926 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,400 Speaker 1: this thing where, you know, like in the earlier parts 927 01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 1: of his life where he was like a lot more 928 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,640 Speaker 1: militant and like, you know, very anti Semitic and like 929 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:24,200 Speaker 1: very sexist, and then it's like towards the end of 930 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,560 Speaker 1: his life he started being like, Okay, wait, I'm learning 931 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:28,720 Speaker 1: all these things. I realized there have to be ways 932 01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 1: to address all of this. You know, this this issue 933 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 1: that I know is systemic and bad, but also like 934 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:38,400 Speaker 1: not be an anti satellite and then he died, Um whoops, 935 01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:45,680 Speaker 1: and um yeah that's don't know, it's so crazy like 936 01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:48,920 Speaker 1: two days ago too, like real, I can't believe he 937 01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: died before getting the chance to And that's sort of 938 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 1: and that was what we robbed, really, that was why 939 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,520 Speaker 1: he was robbing. He definitely got to her body talk, 940 01:03:57,600 --> 01:03:59,880 Speaker 1: but he did miss my fragility and he loved it. 941 01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:06,360 Speaker 1: Um he was almost through listening or done listening with 942 01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: all of CHROMATICA. Um. Yeah, god, but he you know, 943 01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:18,400 Speaker 1: he killed you know, it is like sad. Certainly that 944 01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,200 Speaker 1: is so sad. He never got to hear Babylon. He 945 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:23,160 Speaker 1: didn't quite get to the end. He was like I 946 01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 1: like the black pink. Oh no, scientists have an able 947 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:35,919 Speaker 1: to pinpoint that he died during Sour Candy. So sad. 948 01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:38,840 Speaker 1: I can't believe Malcolm X died while listening to sound. 949 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:46,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, yeah, but I know it is I think, Yeah, 950 01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: it's like we're trying to account for a thousand things, 951 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,800 Speaker 1: and I feel like everybody feels so pressured to be 952 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: learning the things that they know that they should like 953 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,280 Speaker 1: that they mentally are like okay, whoops. I feel feel 954 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,280 Speaker 1: like I should have already known this, and like there's okay, 955 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,480 Speaker 1: white guilt, um, sorry, okay, if everybody can calm down, um, 956 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,320 Speaker 1: but there's like that white guilt like kicks in. And 957 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,520 Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, we'll have to learn like all 958 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,800 Speaker 1: of these things at once because I feel bad that 959 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,400 Speaker 1: I haven't learned them already, and like I'm not gonna 960 01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,080 Speaker 1: lie like I'm I'm probably still gonna be like, yeah, 961 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,480 Speaker 1: you should have learned it already, but like you know, 962 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:30,600 Speaker 1: I would rather you or one make like sustainable change 963 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,720 Speaker 1: in their lives, you know, like be doing like small 964 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: active work, Like you don't have to drop a thousand 965 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,640 Speaker 1: dollars and send it to like Black Lives Matter if 966 01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:40,960 Speaker 1: you don't have it. But if you have like a 967 01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,520 Speaker 1: mutual aid fund in your own community and you donate 968 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,120 Speaker 1: like five bucks a month every month, or you like 969 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 1: join a tenant's union, or when you see that there's 970 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: going to be like bridge housing in your community, you 971 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,840 Speaker 1: don't like lobby against it. You like lobby in favor 972 01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,800 Speaker 1: of it. And if you realize is a black person 973 01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: who has the opportunity to be hired in your workplace 974 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: than you, you know, lobby for that to happen, or 975 01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:09,200 Speaker 1: even if that means you maybe not getting like the 976 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: pair is that you wanted, Like if you make like 977 01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 1: sustainable change in your life, maybe that's better than like 978 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: overwhelming yourself with information that you know that you're not 979 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:29,439 Speaker 1: going to really remember or retain. Yes, yes, then here's 980 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:38,920 Speaker 1: the thing. First of all, Oh but second of all, 981 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:42,720 Speaker 1: that was correct. And third of all, what I want 982 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:47,280 Speaker 1: to say is that that is the issue with sustainable 983 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: change is less sexy than pronouncement. And so men and 984 01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:00,440 Speaker 1: and here's where we are agreeing podcast Marida go there 985 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,240 Speaker 1: and everybody goes to an agreement even though it's muddy. Um, 986 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,320 Speaker 1: do you think I feel like with how there do 987 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: you think we have gone? We saw there. I don't 988 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,960 Speaker 1: know if we went there, but you know what we did. 989 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,200 Speaker 1: We like drove on the highway and the sign said 990 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,840 Speaker 1: like like you could like the exit to there was 991 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:30,560 Speaker 1: right there, and we're like, We're like, oh, that's where 992 01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,520 Speaker 1: there is. And then we just kept going, Yeah, like 993 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,800 Speaker 1: we know where there is. If we need to go there, 994 01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: we could turn there like through like you know the 995 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: window of our car. Yeah, it's in the ways, app 996 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,680 Speaker 1: but like and and but now we've passed the turn. 997 01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,920 Speaker 1: So it keeps being like, make a U turn, make 998 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: a U turn, make a U turn. Yeah, and we're 999 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:58,760 Speaker 1: like no, it keeps interrupting from Attica. You know, Okay, 1000 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 1: it's time for our finals. The last thing I'll say 1001 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:06,400 Speaker 1: is that I think I'm sorry I'm talking. Oh I'm 1002 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 1: not a podcast, I'm talking. Oh um damn. We did 1003 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,720 Speaker 1: sound like that. We were really pissed. The last thing 1004 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,920 Speaker 1: is like we have to be willing to make space 1005 01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:25,639 Speaker 1: for nuance and just like understanding that, um, things are 1006 01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: not gonna be black and white, um like, and we 1007 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,000 Speaker 1: have to just be willing to like understand that. I 1008 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,479 Speaker 1: don't know, like obviously there's conversations you could do Devil's 1009 01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,920 Speaker 1: advocates for everything, and there's gonna be like caveats and 1010 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,240 Speaker 1: like butts and all these weird things that make it 1011 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 1: messy because like that is life. But you know, like 1012 01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: in dismantling and confronting things, like we have to be 1013 01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,040 Speaker 1: willing to just understand that, like every every situation is 1014 01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:01,080 Speaker 1: going to be sort of different and requires understanding and patience. 1015 01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:13,720 Speaker 1: Yes here here title of ep io takes down canceled. No. 1016 01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,240 Speaker 1: I think that's um, that's genius. We learned about nuance 1017 01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,200 Speaker 1: on the right first top of this podcast, So to 1018 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:21,479 Speaker 1: touch back on that as a subject, I think that 1019 01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,120 Speaker 1: was when I had first part the way to do it. 1020 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,920 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it is. Yeah, it's tough. The Internet 1021 01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,120 Speaker 1: really wants you to be like piste off and perfect, 1022 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,880 Speaker 1: and it's like, I mean, no, you just yeah, And 1023 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:43,280 Speaker 1: I don't need the Internet to be Yes, yes we are. 1024 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,240 Speaker 1: We're learning that I don't need the Internet to be 1025 01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:52,719 Speaker 1: piste off perfect. Brandy Melville's on the line, I don't 1026 01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,880 Speaker 1: need the Internet to be piste off perfect. That should 1027 01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,560 Speaker 1: be stradio adverge. I'm out here working for you on 1028 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:03,880 Speaker 1: my day off. Oh my god, Oh my god. Clink clink. 1029 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,720 Speaker 1: You know what, though, your teeth look amazing bigger every day. 1030 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,519 Speaker 1: My real housewats plot wine. Danny says, I can't go 1031 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,960 Speaker 1: back to get my surgery, but I want my teeth bigger. 1032 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:23,240 Speaker 1: That's what I want. Oh my god, And then you're 1033 01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 1: your catchphrases. My teeth are big, and so is my personality. 1034 01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:32,040 Speaker 1: My teeth are big and they're only getting bigger, just 1035 01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:36,400 Speaker 1: like my personality. My teeth looked like venom. Yeah, my 1036 01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,000 Speaker 1: teeth look like venom, and I'll suck you dry my 1037 01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:49,479 Speaker 1: teeth all sweet like venom thing is like sucking people 1038 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:54,080 Speaker 1: dry like that is actually not a venom thing, is 1039 01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:03,200 Speaker 1: it not. I'll and I'll suck till you're dry. Venom. 1040 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,160 Speaker 1: Whole thing is that he's like a really good sex order. 1041 01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:11,120 Speaker 1: That's aboutom whole thing. See, I haven't seen that movie. 1042 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,679 Speaker 1: I love that. It's right, I'm gonna suck you dry, 1043 01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,720 Speaker 1: talking people dry? Why the teeth? Think about it? Is 1044 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,760 Speaker 1: never gonna write for Marvel. It's revealed that I've never 1045 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:39,360 Speaker 1: had sex or no like howe scriptures grape until someone dry? 1046 01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:45,320 Speaker 1: You never had a drink of anything? I need you? 1047 01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:49,639 Speaker 1: Can you make a graphic for teaching me what sex? Yeah, 1048 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:53,280 Speaker 1: it's gonna take like a week. Source Wikipedia. Okay, great, 1049 01:11:53,680 --> 01:12:00,960 Speaker 1: source my friend venom. Wow. Think now we should do 1050 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:03,760 Speaker 1: our final segment we need Oh my god, we are 1051 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,599 Speaker 1: three minutes late to our recording with our next guest, 1052 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,920 Speaker 1: who we're gonna have much less energy for. I have 1053 01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:16,200 Speaker 1: to say yes, yes, yes, all right. So our final 1054 01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: segment is shout outs and we, you know, give a 1055 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 1: shout out to something that we love, sort of the 1056 01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,439 Speaker 1: high energy. You gotta imagine you're in Times Square, it's 1057 01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,720 Speaker 1: two thousand two, and you're shouting to your whole high 1058 01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:33,720 Speaker 1: school squad back home in wherever the Hellum, George, do 1059 01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: you have one? Hey, guys, I want to give a 1060 01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:42,479 Speaker 1: shout out to um kind of me being suddenly a 1061 01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,920 Speaker 1: humorless scold about social distancing. They said it couldn't be done, 1062 01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: but I went three months thinking it was really like 1063 01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: annoying when other people did that, like I was doing 1064 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,800 Speaker 1: actually a really good job of social distancing and still am. 1065 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,760 Speaker 1: But I always thought it was like so lame when 1066 01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,000 Speaker 1: people would like shame other people for like being in 1067 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,559 Speaker 1: the park. But now the actually I think it's getting 1068 01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,600 Speaker 1: dangerous and people are not doing what they're supposed to 1069 01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,639 Speaker 1: be doing. I have decided that I am very into 1070 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,000 Speaker 1: making people feel bad about themselves, but actually not to 1071 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,880 Speaker 1: their face, just kind of sending other people's instagrams to 1072 01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,520 Speaker 1: people I know and being like if you fucking insane? 1073 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,360 Speaker 1: And so I think doing that is good and I 1074 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,080 Speaker 1: really am enjoying um that now in the month of 1075 01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:26,160 Speaker 1: June almost July, I that is who I have decided 1076 01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:37,560 Speaker 1: to become. Wo um okay, what's up, listeners? Um? I 1077 01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,280 Speaker 1: just want to give a question out to UM. My 1078 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,479 Speaker 1: hair the day after I wash it. The day I 1079 01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,400 Speaker 1: wash it, it is a mess. It is fluted out. 1080 01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:50,680 Speaker 1: It is uncontrollable. It's kind of like Miley Cyrus. It 1081 01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:54,439 Speaker 1: can't be taking. But then if I go to sleep 1082 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,320 Speaker 1: and I wake up the very next day, the natural 1083 01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:01,600 Speaker 1: greases just put it in the perfect little poof. It 1084 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:08,439 Speaker 1: is manageable yet fresh, little curls, fun, floppy, fresh, summer fun. 1085 01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:12,200 Speaker 1: I love my hair that day. The third day it 1086 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,000 Speaker 1: is bad, greasy, too much, and I can't deal with it. 1087 01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:19,000 Speaker 1: I should shower more, but I don't want to and 1088 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:24,599 Speaker 1: don't need to because we're trapped. I love life XO 1089 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:30,200 Speaker 1: x o. UM. Okay, I don't want to give a 1090 01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:36,000 Speaker 1: shout out to Um Anthony Marcus, Tony shaloub Um, Libra 1091 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 1: king or Um on October night, something that I do 1092 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,519 Speaker 1: just remember because our first days are very close to 1093 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,920 Speaker 1: each other. I know that I talks about whiteness Um, 1094 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,840 Speaker 1: but I believe that he is a white man of color. 1095 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:50,799 Speaker 1: He is a Lebanese American king. Um. He's fucking gorgeous 1096 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:54,760 Speaker 1: and really talented. All cops are bastards, except for Monk, 1097 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,800 Speaker 1: who is the last good cop. I think that he 1098 01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,640 Speaker 1: seems really nice and I would love to the opportunity 1099 01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 1: to just like stay hi to him one day. Um, 1100 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,599 Speaker 1: and I really hope that he's doing well because him 1101 01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:07,719 Speaker 1: and his wife both hide COVID but they have recovered 1102 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:16,200 Speaker 1: and I love them. Look, wow, that was I thank 1103 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,200 Speaker 1: you for coming on. I oh, this was a really 1104 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,120 Speaker 1: incredible EPP. I think we it was. It was. It 1105 01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:27,120 Speaker 1: covered all the bases, extremely funny, deeply off the rails, 1106 01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 1: and yet just when they thought we couldn't do it. 1107 01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 1: You want to talk about oppression, and I just want 1108 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:36,920 Speaker 1: to give a quick shadow to me and Sam for 1109 01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,400 Speaker 1: listening and speaking at all the correct times and finally 1110 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: unlocking the perfect way to be a good ally. So 1111 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,200 Speaker 1: if anyone has any tips, we are holding workshops and 1112 01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:52,920 Speaker 1: it costs five We'll be going to a black organization 1113 01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:57,320 Speaker 1: a US having brunched at a black neighborhood at a 1114 01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,679 Speaker 1: restaurant that is owned by white people. We will invite 1115 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: our black friend who we know he is busy that day. 1116 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:04,920 Speaker 1: By the way, we're not wearing masks.