WEBVTT - Shaken w/ Beverly D'Angelo

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<v Speaker 1>Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories,

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<v Speaker 2>Dune Done. Hello, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Lisa, my name is Kara. We're your

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<v Speaker 1>co hosts. We take you on a world win adventure

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<v Speaker 1>of a recap of an episode of SVU, a deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive into the true crime was based on and an

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<v Speaker 1>interview with an iconic guest usually and today's no different.

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<v Speaker 1>But first we catch up, we chat, we banter, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have just so much to talk about. We are

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<v Speaker 1>fresh off of a Northeast tour. I love that you

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<v Speaker 1>said adventure in that little intro part. That was cute

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<v Speaker 1>below deck adventure. That's us be Yeah, we just got

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<v Speaker 1>back from New York, Boston, Philly, Hartford. We had the

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<v Speaker 1>best time. You guys are the best listeners ever. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was so fun. The shows were awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all on hies that met us after we're definitely

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<v Speaker 2>like those people really like you, and we're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we like them. They're educated, they're fun, they tip well,

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<v Speaker 2>We're obsessed.

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<v Speaker 3>They dressed cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone in Philly showed up in Amanda Rollins cosplay like

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<v Speaker 2>head to toe hand leather, a little silky blouse, little booties.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it was more of you need to start

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<v Speaker 2>dressing and cosplay. She really blew me away. I was

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<v Speaker 2>so shout out to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, just okay, we our New York show was incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>It was packed, beautiful venue. There were some employees that

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<v Speaker 2>really fucked up, and we had a couple of our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners fly from fucking Florida and be yond away at

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<v Speaker 2>the door. So I just want to shout out, we

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<v Speaker 2>are so sorry that that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Brittany.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a shout out to Brittany, our girl who who

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<v Speaker 1>came who?

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<v Speaker 3>And we love you and we're really sorry that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jasmine, there was a snaphoo and we will make

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<v Speaker 1>it up to you the next time we are wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be, so message us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the owner of the venue is definitely wants to

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<v Speaker 2>talk to Kara immediately, not me, but.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we tried.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the next day in Boston it was like

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<v Speaker 2>our dude Clay was amazing. And then after New York

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<v Speaker 2>being treated so poorly by this man. Then it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's like nothing is consistent with our life, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>understand why our lives are Like the life of a

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<v Speaker 2>performer is so wild to a lot of people because

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, even when things are smooth, smooth, smooth, one

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<v Speaker 2>dickhead can turn everything around.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the next day you're with.

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<v Speaker 2>An angel named Clay who's buying so many dips. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just like bringing drinks, so positive, so kind, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you go somewhere else the next day on a high

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<v Speaker 2>sold out shows. Oh my god, the hotel is shitty

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<v Speaker 2>as fuck. The electricity is gone. We can't check in.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's an emotional rollercoaster, but yeah, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>ride the ride. Baby, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a great time, and we do. We also,

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody missed it, we were on Watch What Happens Live?

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<v Speaker 1>Truly a goal we've had since we like started the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast when like exactly right asked us like, oh, are

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<v Speaker 1>there any like press things you'd want to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, we would like to be on Watch

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<v Speaker 1>What Happens Live as the Bartenders, and our dream came true.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so excited. We had the best time. I was

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<v Speaker 1>nervous and also, like you know, I had a weird

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<v Speaker 1>sense of dread about it. I think because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like getting dressed for things makes me stressed out. But like, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>every person we interacted with there was great.

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<v Speaker 3>We had the best time.

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<v Speaker 2>We did have the best time. We looked incredible, like

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<v Speaker 2>our color combos. Thanks to our friend Lauren Joyce, who

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<v Speaker 2>made you wear monochromatic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so if anybody saw it, I'm wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>purple top with purple pants. Not even an unintentional shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to our purple conspiracy theory about auditors for you,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe a subconscious intention. And then Lisa was wearing

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<v Speaker 1>this gorgeous, like green cool dress and I was going

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<v Speaker 1>to wear my purple top with black pants, and my

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<v Speaker 1>friend and I had purple ones too. I'd ordered the

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<v Speaker 1>same pants and purple, and she goes wear the all purple,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, what it had not even occurred

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I don't have an eye for fashion, and

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<v Speaker 1>it looked great. I thought it looked amazing. And we

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a little batman villain, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, and we did look like Scooby dear Joker realness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we popped like because I was gonna wear the

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<v Speaker 2>dress I ended up wearing into the live show. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>just like worked out perfectly. Our friends who are Bravo

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<v Speaker 2>fanatics also got to come.

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<v Speaker 3>Andy on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he gave us some sass, which I would

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<v Speaker 2>be disappointed if I didn't get a little latitude, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest. But the fact that he out loud said

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I love the Bartenders, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said, can you guys be my hype squad?

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<v Speaker 1>It was like that never happened. Yes, unless it's Bruce

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<v Speaker 1>Bassi's best friend. That does not happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, we met our mole on the inside at our

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<v Speaker 2>live show in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>That was really exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>Our person who works at Law and Order SVU, she

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<v Speaker 1>came to see the show in New York. It was

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<v Speaker 1>so cool to meet her. We jumped up and down

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<v Speaker 1>like Mariushka showed. Yeah, like when we met this girl,

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<v Speaker 1>we were like, yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so fun. But back to watch what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the funniest parts too, is me

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<v Speaker 2>and you try to explain to our parents what we

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<v Speaker 2>were doing. Oh yeah, We're like, we're on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but we're on the side.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like, are you making drinks? We're like, we're not,

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<v Speaker 3>but we're the bartenders. Are you making drinks? We're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's so confusing to people that are not in

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<v Speaker 1>the bravosphere, But if you want to watch it, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the episode where the guests are Bianca bel Air

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<v Speaker 1>and montes Ford and they're from the WWE and they

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<v Speaker 1>were awesome. They were so cool to talk to and

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<v Speaker 1>that it's their episode that I think aired on like

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<v Speaker 1>one seventeen so or January seventeenth, so go check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on Peacock and probably Bravo app and every thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was I mean see being in the clubhouse

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<v Speaker 2>was it was really wild. All my parents said was

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<v Speaker 2>you guys looked so excited, and we were and we

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<v Speaker 2>hope we get to We did not answer his questions

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<v Speaker 2>as well as I think. We know we have it

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<v Speaker 2>on the inside, but it truly was too overwhelming.

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody knows we didn't get them in advance. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, who's the goat of SVU. We were likeugh,

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<v Speaker 1>lurishka and I see like, I mean, we were just

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<v Speaker 1>like so excited and it was hard to get like

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<v Speaker 1>Pithy answers out. But I thought we were fun, and honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>he just I think he just felt our enthusiasm and

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<v Speaker 1>that's why he liked us.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know, but then I would bother. But then

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<v Speaker 2>I would bother care because I would turn around. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>we should have said the hair department.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, what about Maloney's ass.

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<v Speaker 1>I kept being like, Hindsight's twenty twenty, let's have fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But Lisa is like, you know, if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>this about her from watch listening to this podcast, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta put turn your volume up.

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<v Speaker 1>She her love language is gift giving, so of course

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<v Speaker 1>she comes armed with a gorgeous gift from both of

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<v Speaker 1>us that she has fully picked out and wrapped and

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<v Speaker 1>everything for his kids, like these beautiful all this bag

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<v Speaker 1>of beautiful like trinkets and books and stuff for the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And I a skeptic as always, was like he might

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<v Speaker 1>just give that to an assistant and never even look

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<v Speaker 1>at it. No, the next day he messages and says,

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<v Speaker 1>public comment, thank you so.

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<v Speaker 3>Much for the gifts for the kids. They're amazing, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's all Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>They were expensive, and they were expensive. It was weird

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<v Speaker 2>buying a multimillionaire presence. But my thought was, he's given

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<v Speaker 2>us over fifteen years of entertainment, and.

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<v Speaker 1>If we can't give him a little something back, who

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<v Speaker 1>are we.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the cornerstone, and his children are so cute

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't actually need anything for himself. So it

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<v Speaker 2>was just like a token of appreciation for how much

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<v Speaker 2>she's really done for all of us. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>would our group chats be about, what would we talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I would like to see an alternate universe where

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<v Speaker 2>Bravo didn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>And then it was like would I have have a

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<v Speaker 3>friend again?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it really is such a glue between everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>But then that's another thing that was amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>But that morning or the day before I checked into

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<v Speaker 2>the hotel, the night stand collapsed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I moved it back.

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<v Speaker 2>A little to plug in my laptop and it just went.

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<v Speaker 2>I like fully broke the legs gave out of this

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<v Speaker 2>night stand. Thank god I wasn't standing underneath. Thank god

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<v Speaker 2>my laptop wasn't on it. I mean it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like wild a wild start. Yeah, like these wilds up

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<v Speaker 2>and downs of being on the road. Baby, I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to think of did we Oh, we ate good food.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what else did we do? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>Before that, we were in Indianapolis and we shared the

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<v Speaker 2>hotel with a hunting and crossbow convention. It was so crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>it was And that wasn't the craziest part. The craziest

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<v Speaker 2>part was, I mean, and the difference Indiana. We have

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<v Speaker 2>the most incompetent hotel employee I have ever ever come

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<v Speaker 2>across in the history of my life. Then we're in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City and this woman, I'm like, you better

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<v Speaker 2>be in med school.

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<v Speaker 3>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>We just stayed at home, impatible and she was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>We stopped on her floor to say goodbye before we left.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, we gotta go say goodbye to our girl.

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<v Speaker 3>Like she was amazing. She just knew all the details,

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<v Speaker 3>not a question to be asked.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like and this password is here, we go here,

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<v Speaker 2>we have this at this time, this means this, this is.

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<v Speaker 3>That enjoy and it was like, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was also covering people's shifts, so she worked

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<v Speaker 2>like forty hours. Like we saw her at night when

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<v Speaker 2>we checked in in the afternoon the next day. What

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<v Speaker 2>we came back like, she just never left because she

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<v Speaker 2>was covering friends shifts so they could go on vacation

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<v Speaker 2>and just friendly, competent, incredible. I to print something. She

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<v Speaker 2>let me get on her computer, like I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then in Indiana we both got charged. The woman

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<v Speaker 2>knew nothing. We got in at past midnight. We got

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<v Speaker 2>in at six am.

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<v Speaker 1>So you book a hotel for the night before because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have them turn you away at six am

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<v Speaker 1>when you're fucking exhausted.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's the thing, like the check ins and

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<v Speaker 2>not till three pm. So a room's not guaranteed. You

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<v Speaker 2>always book for two days. And so we get there,

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<v Speaker 2>she goes, we gave your rooms away and we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me. She goes, well, you didn't come before midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, yeah, but if we booked it today, you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't give us a room, would you.

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<v Speaker 3>And she goes, oh, yeah, okay, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, clickity clack clack, and then for there were

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<v Speaker 2>other things. But then at the end she goes, okay

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<v Speaker 2>and put your card in. I go for what She

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the room. I go, our room is paid

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<v Speaker 2>for we're performing at the comedy club. Oh you're right,

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<v Speaker 2>we still got charged. We did, and she was so hello,

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<v Speaker 2>and Carri just was like, that's why she's on the

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<v Speaker 2>night shift.

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<v Speaker 1>That is why, that's why she's here on the night shift.

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<v Speaker 1>She this is woman is not for dates. She's she's

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<v Speaker 1>not ready for high, high traffic hours.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

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<v Speaker 1>The best was like, we get into the elevator with

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of these hunter crossbow people later and Lisa goes.

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<v Speaker 3>So, did you guys all go do archery today? It

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<v Speaker 3>was so fucking funny.

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<v Speaker 1>They all looked like they were like what, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they and then she was like, like the hunting and

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<v Speaker 1>they were like oh.

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<v Speaker 3>And then she was like, so what do you guys do?

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<v Speaker 1>Just talk about hunting and they were like yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we'd rather be hunting, of course. And then later

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<v Speaker 1>after our show, we went to go have a drink

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<v Speaker 1>at the hotel bar and they were all in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa and I were two of the only women in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire bar, and you bet your ass they approached.

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<v Speaker 2>But they looked like my favorite Murderer guys, Like that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they looked like, like criminals on my Favorite murder,

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<v Speaker 2>not my favorite murderer, the murder in Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 3>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, making a murder? Make look at making a murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine Wisconsin fucking junkyards? That's what they look like.

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<v Speaker 1>They all just looked like guys that like to hunt.

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<v Speaker 1>And they came up to us and were like, where

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys from? And we're like try, and we were.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa was just giving them like newts as they say.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was already high.

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<v Speaker 2>But because I could talk to any you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>met Kara's forty five to seventy people this trip. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I met college friends, camp friends, high school friends, childhood friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I met everybody, and I talked to everybody. I could

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<v Speaker 2>talk to people. You can have questions what am I

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you bleed out your deer? Get the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>away from me? Like, I don't know. If you're not

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<v Speaker 2>a feminist, I can't, Like, I can't try. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>not a hope inside of you that you might have

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of respect towards women, I just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we just had really nothing to talk to them about.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they came up, they were like, where are you from?

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<v Speaker 1>We said, California, don't you hate it California. Yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like and then they went and sat

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<v Speaker 1>down and one guy came back and we were like, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not happening. Well, this is what bothered me too,

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<v Speaker 1>because if they came up and was like you're at

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<v Speaker 1>a place, what are you guys doing here? Be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, what's what the hunting, and then we could

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<v Speaker 1>start what they did one of my pet peeves, which

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<v Speaker 1>is they came in and goes, why are you two

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<v Speaker 1>girls fight in and it's like, we're not. We're talking

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, you guys, we're here to and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just like implying so much, inserting yourself so much when

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<v Speaker 1>we are talking, like I think, interrupting someone's evening to

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<v Speaker 1>think that you are more interesting than them without like

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<v Speaker 1>like acknowledging reality.

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<v Speaker 3>It just bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>It just bothered me when they they came up and

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<v Speaker 2>just said, you guys are fighting and it's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>we're enjoying each other's company.

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<v Speaker 3>But so that bothered me.

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<v Speaker 2>If they were just like, you can't be here for

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<v Speaker 2>the hunting, it would be different. I just hated the

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<v Speaker 2>intro of it all. It really it doesn't I don't like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because it there's a tinge of misogyny in it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, for sure. But the show in Indie was great.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Every you're married, Yeah, they're probably married. I'm glading ring.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're also at out drunk. We were pretty sober.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on shingles medication. I did have another flare up,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what my doctor said. She goes, Yeah. He

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, yeah, from now on, when you're stressed,

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<v Speaker 2>you're sick, you will have shingles.

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<v Speaker 3>So from now on, yeah, you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, like, when you're stressed, you're sick and your immunity

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<v Speaker 2>goes down, you will have flare ups.

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<v Speaker 3>That is it? Like that is my life? Now? What?

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<v Speaker 2>But I message about the vaccine and me am I decrease.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, did you not tell me that. No, we

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<v Speaker 2>spent so much time together. It's honestly, and there's no

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<v Speaker 2>stop in sight. I don't even think we're getting a

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<v Speaker 2>day off, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you God.

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<v Speaker 2>But we also have to talk about the New York

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<v Speaker 2>hotel in terms of not not one space to open

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<v Speaker 2>her suitcases, but an exercise ball. They provided a giant

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<v Speaker 2>exercise ball, but I couldn't open my suitcakes.

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<v Speaker 1>There were literally like TRX cables so you could like

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<v Speaker 1>do standing like presses.

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<v Speaker 3>But those don't take na. Yeah, so that's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>put a suitcase.

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<v Speaker 2>And they had a shelf made especially for yoga blocks.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, how about a place to open my suitcase.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just it was wild. Well we didn't talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the flight thing. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an earlier flight than Lisa, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>thought that we were on the same flight. So I

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<v Speaker 1>check in, I don't even notice, Like I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>check in the day before, don't even notice. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time we're planning for a ten to twenty flight.

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<v Speaker 1>But my flight's eight forty five. So we wake up

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<v Speaker 1>at six thirty and my flight's like ready to receive

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<v Speaker 1>you at eight forty five for your flight, And I'm like, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>our flight got changed because I like wasn't putting it

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<v Speaker 1>together that I just was on a different flight. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Lisa luckily as Jimon medallion and was able to

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<v Speaker 1>like call, and then we figured out it was my mistake,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they just moved me to a new flight

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like no charge, no big deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But who but the initial like wake up was very like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh yeah. I was like, because we had a rental

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<v Speaker 3>car we had to return.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, do I have to just run to

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<v Speaker 1>the airport and make Lisa return the car and like a, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>What's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the one time in the history of our

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<v Speaker 2>relationships that I had to be like calm down, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>calm down, because that's why I can't even be next

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<v Speaker 2>to a tech because if anything goes wrong, I just

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<v Speaker 2>I can't keep it together. But in this one moment,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you need to relax.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. She was like I'm finding out. I was like, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>But also also the flight was so empty, like there

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<v Speaker 1>was a guy next to me, and when I fell

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<v Speaker 1>asleep and woke up, he was gone, Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>everybody just moved to their own row. So luckily, the

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<v Speaker 1>flights for Delta seem like they've been a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more chill, but really quick. We will be a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of places in February. We are going to be at

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<v Speaker 1>JFL Vancouver, and tickets are going fast, so don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>to get tickets for that if you live anywhere near Vancouver.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna be there on February twentieth as part of

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<v Speaker 1>the JFL Festival, but you can buy individual tickets for

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<v Speaker 1>our show. And then we're going to be in Portland

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<v Speaker 1>at Helium Baby on to twenty one, and then on

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<v Speaker 1>two twenty two, we're gonna be in Tacoma. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you live in the Seattle area, I think it's right outside,

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<v Speaker 1>come on up, come see us. We had a blast

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<v Speaker 1>in Seattle last time we were there, and we love

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<v Speaker 1>you guys, so come on out.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are our three dates right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we're going to have more to announce LATA,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's our little mini Pacific Northwest situation.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's so funny. People are like, when's when's the

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<v Speaker 2>tour over? And it's like, I guess officially this one

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<v Speaker 2>is done, but we're coming back ever, Yeah, we are,

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<v Speaker 2>We are ready. We love doing the live shows. We

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<v Speaker 2>have so much fun. Yeah, I love the PowerPoint and

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<v Speaker 2>we love meeting everyone after and it's just been like

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<v Speaker 2>so fun.

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<v Speaker 3>I ask.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a complainer, so my instinct is always to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>this guy's an idiot, but overall, like you can never

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<v Speaker 2>take my complaints at anything.

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<v Speaker 3>But what is it face value? Is that right? Or

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<v Speaker 3>am I wrong, like I am deep down always happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, even though you're complaining, you're very positive I am.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like really fucked up, twisted my toxic trait. I

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<v Speaker 1>complain even though I'm happy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well uh and also.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and a bunch of people came to shows like

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the beanies, wearing the purple sweatshir wearing the like

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<v Speaker 1>the zip ups. So if you guys are interested in

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<v Speaker 1>our merch, it's really fun. It's uh, that's mess That's

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<v Speaker 1>messed Up live dot com actually is where you can

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<v Speaker 1>get tickets and it has a link to our merch.

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<v Speaker 1>So just go to That's messed Up live dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>See if we're coming near you, check out the merch.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's all I'm done selling you guys. We should

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<v Speaker 1>get started because this is a hot episode today, super hot. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this episode is shaken, taking it back to season five,

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<v Speaker 1>episode ten. This came out in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>god twenty years ago almost. So we open on two

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<v Speaker 1>nannies gabbing at a playground.

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<v Speaker 3>One is old and one is young, and uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, the young girl sends like this little girl named

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<v Speaker 1>Lucy on her way and she's very stern. She's like, Lucy,

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<v Speaker 1>do not take your jacket off. I'm not gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you again. It's like, okay, bitch, calm down, and Lucy looks,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Two at Max, I don't know and

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<v Speaker 1>she toddles on off, and the older nanny is going

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<v Speaker 1>on and on about how she's so in demand right

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<v Speaker 1>now and another family offered to double her salary, but

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<v Speaker 1>she just couldn't leave little Jack. He's devoted to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, ma'am, he's a child. He's like devoted

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<v Speaker 1>to who gives some goldfish?

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<v Speaker 3>And the young girl is like, please give me the job.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate missus Pritchard and Lucy does not obey me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like wow, a nanny who's never met a

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<v Speaker 1>child before, this is wild. And the older lady is like, well,

0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:34.399
<v Speaker 1>her mom spoils her. Have you tried timeouts? It's like

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<v Speaker 1>timeouts barely work, but they certainly don't work for a

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<v Speaker 1>two year old. Rosie today said to me, you should

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<v Speaker 1>give Oscar a timeout, and I'm like, I don't even

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<v Speaker 1>give you timeouts and you're three and a half. An

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar has no idea if I just sat him in

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<v Speaker 1>another room he's like the age of this baby. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what am I doing here? It does not

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<v Speaker 1>teach any lessons.

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<v Speaker 3>Where did Rosie learn about timeouts? Probably like TV shows

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<v Speaker 3>or something. We don't do them.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I tell her, do you need to go to

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<v Speaker 1>your room and be by yourself for a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and like calm down if she's like freaking out. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm never like, go to your room and be alone,

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<v Speaker 1>like as a punishment.

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<v Speaker 3>I know someone that I follow online. They have two.

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<v Speaker 2>Friend she's and when the friend she's misbehaved, they put

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<v Speaker 2>them on the top of like a really high chair

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't get down from, and there they have

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<v Speaker 2>to sit up on a high chair.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a chair my little brothers. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I had the chair, but my little brothers did, and

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<v Speaker 1>we would send them to their chair and they just

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<v Speaker 1>had to It was a chair in the dining room

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<v Speaker 1>that faced a wall and they just had to sit

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<v Speaker 1>and stare at the wall for a little while as

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<v Speaker 1>their punishment. But anyway, the older lady is like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we tried time outs, and then the younger nanny says, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't do timeouts because the mom says that it

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<v Speaker 1>will stunt Lucy's creativity probably correct, and the older nanny

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<v Speaker 1>is like, bring her to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm the god of nanny's I'll straighten her out.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is when they realize, oh fuck, no one

0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>has been watching this child for like this entire conversation,

0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.960
<v Speaker 1>and then nanny goes ballistic trying to find her like Lucy,

0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.120
<v Speaker 1>and Lucy's screaming and we don't see where this kid is.

0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.080
<v Speaker 1>Cut to Stabler on the scene with a uniform who's

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<v Speaker 1>telling her giving him the scoop, and it's like, her

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<v Speaker 1>name's Lucy, her nanny is Sarah, and the older lady's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Veronica Nash, and they Veronica Nash has told

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<v Speaker 1>him that there has been like a quote unquote freak

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<v Speaker 1>hanging around the playground and if it was a pedophile snatching,

0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to give SVU the early heads up. And

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 1>then like Daddy Craigan is there, and it's like, what

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<v Speaker 1>in the white missing child is going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Like why would he, just like the captain of.

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<v Speaker 1>The SVU be there when a kid has been missing

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<v Speaker 1>for like twenty minutes. But I guess it's because live

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:33.480
<v Speaker 1>is on an emergency hearing. But it's so wild for

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the captain to show up, and then Craigan and Stabler

0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:40.680
<v Speaker 1>are examining the area, plodding out where like a pedophile

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<v Speaker 1>may have like laid in weight, and then suddenly, eagle

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>eyed Stabler spots something in the brush and he runs

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<v Speaker 1>over and it's like the little girl is just lying

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<v Speaker 1>underneath tons of shrubbery a little ways away from the playground,

0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:54.760
<v Speaker 1>and he just scoops her up, and she's so small,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is a really really little kid, and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like in little tights and Mary Jane's like, she's really small.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we're at the credits, so dundun, what is

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<v Speaker 1>happening here at the hospital? We are getting the low

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:10.080
<v Speaker 1>down from a doctor that we've seen before, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is her first episode. This is doctor Anne Marilla played

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<v Speaker 1>by Julie White, and this is her first of five episodes.

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<v Speaker 3>But she was also in the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Head about the horny teacher who had a tumor, and

0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:23.320
<v Speaker 1>then the episode Starved, the Dean Kine episode. I think

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:25.200
<v Speaker 1>she's the one that like tells that she's like always

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<v Speaker 1>the one telling them that someone's brain dead and never

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<v Speaker 1>gonna come back. And yeah, she's on the brain floor. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's the brain goal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I wonder if like throughout the years, the different

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.400
<v Speaker 2>doctors are on different floors, or if it is all

0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:39.879
<v Speaker 2>just like e er triage like that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I do wonder now if she's the head girl, like

0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:45.960
<v Speaker 2>if the surfer guy has a specialty, or like they're

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<v Speaker 2>always in different.

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Hospitals too, like the Saint Mark's, and like other times

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:53.080
<v Speaker 1>there are other ones like yeah, so, but I've not

0:22:53.480 --> 0:22:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder. I wonder if they all see each

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<v Speaker 1>other at a conference every year and they're like, what

0:22:57.320 --> 0:22:58.199
<v Speaker 1>do you think about stable?

0:22:58.240 --> 0:22:58.960
<v Speaker 3>Or what a hot head?

0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You know? Like, I wonder if they talk about it. Oh,

0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the doctors have their own Christmas party.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>She explains that Lucy has intercranial bleeding and a laceration

0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:11.480
<v Speaker 1>on the back of her head, but no skull fractures,

0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 1>so she basically has like a cut on the back

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>of her head, but not not enough that it like

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.560
<v Speaker 1>caused the intracranial bleeding. So they're on her way to

0:23:20.560 --> 0:23:23.440
<v Speaker 1>surgery right now. They didn't do a rape kit because

0:23:23.440 --> 0:23:25.200
<v Speaker 1>her clothing was all intact, and they did a quick

0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:27.760
<v Speaker 1>loom a light and didn't find any seamen and you know,

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so I guess we're putting that to bed. Craigan tells

0:23:30.640 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>Elliot that the mom is on route. She works at

0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 1>an ad agency downtown and that the dad died of

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.400
<v Speaker 1>a heart attack last year.

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<v Speaker 3>So they go talk to the nanny. They're asking about the.

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<v Speaker 1>Strange guy, the like quote unquote freak that was hanging

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:43.480
<v Speaker 1>out and she said she never saw him, but Veronica

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.359
<v Speaker 1>did and she's like, and I'm there every day with Lucy,

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:48.800
<v Speaker 1>so it's like, weird, I've never seen this, this like,

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, creep, as she describes, and Sarah is saying

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 1>she doesn't remember any weird strangers at all. And that's

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.080
<v Speaker 1>when the mother, Evelyn Pritchard, arrives and she's you know,

0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:01.080
<v Speaker 1>oh Lucy, where are you? Very dramatic. And she's played

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 1>by Cynthia Edinger. I thought I recognized her from stuff.

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 1>She's been in a lot. She was in Carnival, she

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>was in a bunch of episodes of Deadwood. I did

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.439
<v Speaker 1>notice in her credits that on Kirby Your Enthusiasm she

0:24:10.480 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 1>played the role of Fallatio Teacher, So I don't know

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:14.639
<v Speaker 1>if that's an episode people remember.

0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Well. She was also another Svu. Yeah she is. What

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 3>is that one with your guy with Titus?

0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, with Bosch or whatever, what's his name, Welleger

0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 2>Titus Welliver, she is. So this is one of my

0:24:29.760 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It is one of my favorite episodes. But like, Titus

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>plays a bad dad and the daughter's found on the

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<v Speaker 2>train tracks and she's abused and has marks that she's

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>been tied down. And the dad, we find out, like

0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:43.960
<v Speaker 2>wants tons of kids, but the mom, Evelyn, can't get

0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>pregnant and so like, I don't know, but he also

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 2>lets other people fuck her to get lots of kids.

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.480
<v Speaker 2>And the daycare in their house is actually all of

0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:56.320
<v Speaker 2>their kids, and there's a head in the wall. It

0:24:56.400 --> 0:25:02.600
<v Speaker 2>is a wild episode. She's at an Amazing your career Yeah, yeah,

0:25:02.640 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 2>so that's her, and.

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>She's obviously distraught. She goes right in for Sarah like

0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>how could you let this happen? And then she just

0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.600
<v Speaker 1>starts monologuing about like I don't know what I'll do

0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:15.520
<v Speaker 1>if I lose my daughter and this and that, and

0:25:15.560 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 1>she starts sobbing into Stabler's chest and is like why

0:25:18.160 --> 0:25:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is God punishing me? And Stabler's like, oh, another god

0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:24.000
<v Speaker 1>fearing person like myself and he directs her to.

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 3>The hospital chapel.

0:25:25.280 --> 0:25:28.159
<v Speaker 1>They go talk to the other nanny, Veronica Nash, and

0:25:28.280 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>I knew this woman was familiar, and she is, and

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.800
<v Speaker 1>here's who she is. Her name is Olga Meredith. She

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:40.639
<v Speaker 1>plays Abuela Claudia in In the Heights God and in

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Incanto she is the singing voice of Abuela Alma. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a person that has watched in Kanto seventy

0:25:47.600 --> 0:25:51.120
<v Speaker 1>five thousand times, you've heard this woman sing when she's.

0:25:50.920 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Like the miraculis you just you that's her.

0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 1>And she's been in five episodes of SVU in more

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:01.239
<v Speaker 1>recent seasons as Judge Roberta Martinez in seasons eighteen through

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:02.640
<v Speaker 3>She's a judge.

0:26:03.320 --> 0:26:05.960
<v Speaker 1>So we've seen this woman around and we've heard her voice.

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>A legend a singer, and anyway, this one, the character though,

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.679
<v Speaker 1>thinks she invented nanny ing. She says, Sarah's a babysitter,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 1>she's not a certified nanny, and this happens when children

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 1>are left with unqualified caregivers. And she says she noticed

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the creep and Sarah didn't because she's better trained. And

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 1>at first she thought this dude was just a dad

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to get candid shots of the pictures of the kids,

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:31.199
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't. And so now she takes Stabler to

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>the rocks where she saw the guy taking the photos,

0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and now she's gonna go downtown for a sketch, and

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 1>she's like anything to help.

0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:38.679
<v Speaker 3>Suddenly there's like.

0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>A reporter from the trib and Elliott's face and he's

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:43.040
<v Speaker 1>looking for a scoop and I'm like, have you ever

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.120
<v Speaker 1>gotten a scoop from Elliott? Stabler sir like, I don't

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>know why you think this is going to happen, and

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>the convos seamlessly blends into Stabler running into CSU Captain

0:26:52.480 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Jude at Ciper. She's like, sorry, I tried to get

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.119
<v Speaker 1>the guy to Scraham, but no dice. She says, the

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:00.200
<v Speaker 1>area where the girl was found was totally clean. Oh,

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.439
<v Speaker 1>she's got nothing to go on. And then at the

0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:04.680
<v Speaker 1>top of the rocks, what do you know, the guy

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>left an empty film box behind him, like it's nineteen

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.320
<v Speaker 1>seventy five and no one has been on those rocks

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:12.439
<v Speaker 1>in you know a couple of well, I guess he

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:14.200
<v Speaker 1>was there the day of the problem, which is that day.

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 3>So back at the precinct.

0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Twang is like film is a weird choice, Like pedophiles

0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:23.520
<v Speaker 1>love photos, but they have gone digital, like they don't

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 1>want to get busted taking their film to get developed.

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>So unless you have a dark room, it's not really

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.280
<v Speaker 1>a great, you know, a great move. So he just

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 1>says it's a risky move for a pedophile. And Craigan

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>enters with the Goods about the fingerprints from the film box,

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 1>and they belong to Dennis Papillion and he.

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 3>Has a record for burglary.

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>He works at a drug store on Broadway, and he

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>fits Veronica's description, which seems like the description of most men.

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 3>They go to the drug store.

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 1>This guy's operating the photo kiosk, So this is a

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:51.639
<v Speaker 1>full red herring. He's been at works at seven am.

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:53.560
<v Speaker 1>The reason his film prints are on the film is

0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 1>because he sells the film. And he remembers developing the

0:27:56.359 --> 0:27:58.199
<v Speaker 1>film for a guy who brought in a bunch of

0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 1>pictures of kids playing really shit and he just hands

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>them this guy's pictures and his address and name, and

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 1>his name is Ronnie Iickels, and he's on twenty ninth Street.

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Now we cut to this random dude who's in custod

0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>He's sitting with Craig and he goes, hold on, I'm

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.200
<v Speaker 1>no damn baby Raper and it's like, I love two

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>thousand and three. And so again there's no sexual assaults

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>evidence on this little girl. So I don't even know

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 1>why we're going there. But they're like, why were you

0:28:20.800 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>taking pictures of random children? And you psycho and he's like,

0:28:23.680 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>I was working. I'm a PI but he's not certified

0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>yet and he didn't want to get involved, so when

0:28:28.480 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the cops showed up, he was like, I'm out of here.

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>He didn't want to get busted, basically, and his client

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>is a rich guy named David Jeffries, and shocker, he's

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 1>not a pervert who wants pictures of little kids. He

0:28:39.040 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>just wanted to make sure that his nanny was treating

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>his kid right. This is a big nanny ng episode.

0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And the worst thing he got was the nanny smoking,

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>which is wild. I was a babysitter and a nanny

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>for a long time when I smoked, and I never

0:28:50.320 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>smoked with the kids.

0:28:51.800 --> 0:28:54.760
<v Speaker 3>But back to the drawing board, Liv walks in.

0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 1>She's in this episode, like very briefly, she's this is

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>a very stabler heavy episode, we don't get a lot

0:29:00.400 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>of live she walks in. They're talking about how Lucy's

0:29:03.080 --> 0:29:06.120
<v Speaker 1>still in surgery. Elliot lays out all the photographs that

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>they got from this guy and their time stamped, and

0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 1>so they really kind of set up a whole timeline

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 1>of everything that happened. And there was really only like

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 1>one minute between when he had Lucy on film, and

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.959
<v Speaker 1>so when the nanny starts spinning around looking for her

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and causing a scene, so something is up, Like no

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>one was even near her. Maybe there was no crime.

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she tripped and conked her head. And Stabler's like, yeah,

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>kids fall all the time, they don't usually need surgery.

0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>And then ring a ding ding, the phone call comes

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 1>that calls Stabler back to the hospital because Lucy's doctor

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.760
<v Speaker 1>wants to talk to him. At the hospital, the doctor

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 1>tells him that Lucy is stable but still unconscious. She

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>has bilateral subdural hematomas with retinal shearing, which Stabler immediately

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>knows is shaken baby syndrome.

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 3>Hart's, I know that's shaken.

0:29:49.920 --> 0:29:53.640
<v Speaker 2>It's obviously something very serious, but I can't something about

0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>shake and bake. Do you remember those commercials? It's shaking

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 2>bake and I helped, So you really do?

0:29:58.840 --> 0:29:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Ok I did.

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.000
<v Speaker 2>I never did it, but it does sound fun like

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it seems I never did it.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I probably would have loved it anyway. Shaking bake

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Shaking baby syndrome so hard to say. The doctor says,

0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to say. What so disrespectful.

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>I know we love babies, but it's it is just like,

0:30:17.880 --> 0:30:22.120
<v Speaker 2>so the baby was shaken baked. I don't know, but

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 2>there is a more modern term, and we'll get it.

0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, probably gonna get ye. We're staying in this

0:30:28.720 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 2>fantasy of the early two thousands.

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Exciting.

0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, the doctor says, it's hard to say what

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 1>her chances are, but if she does recover, she'll probably

0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>have permanent brain damage. Someone shook this kid so hard

0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>it damn near killed her. And Stabler is concerned because

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, he gets his concern face on because you

0:30:46.040 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 1>could just see like the flashes of all his own

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>children in his eyes. And now Melinda's in the house

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>giving everyone the rundown on shaking baby syndrome, and she's

0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 1>like talking about how bilateral subderbal heemotomas are the most

0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>common injury with shaking baby syndrome. And they're basically bruises

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>on your brain. Like my mom famously fell famously. I

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:06.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like I've talked about it before, but maybe I haven't.

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 1>She fell in a restaurant in San Francisco in like November,

0:31:12.160 --> 0:31:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and not until like late December did we find out

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>she got a subdural hematoma from it.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.840
<v Speaker 3>She was just bleeding in her brain. She had to

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:20.680
<v Speaker 3>have a full.

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Operation, like where her like head was cut open to

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.320
<v Speaker 1>like relieve the pressure of the bleeding. Because when she fell,

0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:28.560
<v Speaker 1>her head snapped back so quickly, and when you get

0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.400
<v Speaker 1>older with age, it's more likely to happen.

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 2>But she was so scary a doctor, So what how

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>did she know she was having symptoms? Because I feel

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 2>like it's dangerous. Some people die because they don't know.

0:31:41.560 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>After about five weeks, she started having horrible headaches, like

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the headaches came in but it didn't happen right away,

0:31:47.280 --> 0:31:49.360
<v Speaker 1>And then she went to the doctor immediately. Yeah, and

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.000
<v Speaker 1>then she went to the doc. Well, finally we like

0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 1>made her. Doctors are notorious for the shit. She like

0:31:53.360 --> 0:31:55.120
<v Speaker 1>will not go to the doctor when she has a problem.

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>We forced her, and I think my brother did, and

0:31:58.240 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>they brought her and finally we found out what the

0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>fuck happened, and she had to have a whole operation.

0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:02.480
<v Speaker 3>Was so scary.

0:32:02.600 --> 0:32:06.000
<v Speaker 1>So definitely, if you have a bad fall, check it out,

0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>get checked out.

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.160
<v Speaker 3>But can they see right away, you said?

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Five weeks later she realized, like if she went to

0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>the doctor the next day, how would they know.

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you're right, you're right, maybe it would

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>take it. It would have taken longer. But I think my

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>mom did ignore the headaches for longer than she should have.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 1>If you have like persistent headaches, you gotta go get

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>checked out it.

0:32:24.640 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Because you never know.

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Scary because you know they don't know what happened to

0:32:28.920 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Bob Saggett yet really, but he did have like a

0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:34.959
<v Speaker 2>brain injury, like someone like there was something And I

0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 2>wonder if that could happen where you get hit but

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>then for a long time comes in. It's really I

0:32:41.960 --> 0:32:46.120
<v Speaker 2>didn't realize that this this is scary. I didn't realize, yeah, this.

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 3>That can happen.

0:32:48.240 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't think a subjurb molhemotome like on

0:32:50.320 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 1>its own is like yeah, but you just have to.

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>And I think this girl was shaking a lot harder

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:56.040
<v Speaker 1>than my mom's fall.

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:58.840
<v Speaker 1>But just the way that my mom's brain like I

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>think smacked the back of her skull. It did a

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:04.959
<v Speaker 1>little bruise. But anyway, Melinda's explaining all this, she has

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a fucking doll that she shakes. Casey Novak's there taking

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:10.600
<v Speaker 1>this all into Then she shakes an egg and a

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:14.200
<v Speaker 1>jar to observe, to basically demonstrate what happens. I'm like,

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you have so many props, Melinda Warner, the Gallagher of Emmy's.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>And Novak is like, so you can testify that shake

0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and baby syndrome is the only cause, the only thing

0:33:26.240 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>that could have killed, like hurt this child. It didn't kill,

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>it could have hurt this child, And she goes, yep,

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>the medical report confirms it. Plus she has compression fractures

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.440
<v Speaker 1>on her ribs, which means somebody grabbed her like really

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.800
<v Speaker 1>hard to shake her on her ribs. And Casey's wondering

0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:43.520
<v Speaker 1>how this could have happened out in the open and

0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>such a short amount of time, like at the playground,

0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and Melinda's like, I think, based on the blood pooling

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:50.520
<v Speaker 1>in the skull cavity, the attack actually happened twelve to

0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 1>forty eight hours earlier, so she would have been sleepy, vomiting,

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:57.080
<v Speaker 1>but ambulatory for a couple of days. So I guess,

0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 1>like that's another thing too, if you have, like if

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:01.320
<v Speaker 1>you're really letharge and feeling out of it and you're

0:34:01.360 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>vomiting for no reason, but you've also had a recent

0:34:04.360 --> 0:34:07.560
<v Speaker 1>head thing, get checked out, you know. So anyone who

0:34:07.600 --> 0:34:09.800
<v Speaker 1>has had contact with her in the last three days

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:13.200
<v Speaker 1>is a suspect. At the hospital, Stabler's explaining it all

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to Evelyn, who doesn't get how yesterday her daughter was

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>walking and talking and fine and now this and he's like, well,

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:20.839
<v Speaker 1>it's a slow process. I'm sure the doctor's explained it.

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:23.399
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, well, the only adults Lucy spends time

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 1>with are me and Sarah. And they're like, do you

0:34:25.040 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>have a boyfriend? And then this is what I love,

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>because we've been talking about how the captions have great

0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 1>descriptions of sounds.

0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>The caption over her says mirthless chuckle. I was like,

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:40.880
<v Speaker 2>get me a T shirt that says mirthless chuckle.

0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 3>So funny.

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>She goes, I haven't dated since my husband died, and

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I worked late and when I got home,

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Lucy was asleep and I hate working late, but I

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>got to get the overtime, babe. And so Lucy was

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.000
<v Speaker 1>alone with Sarah basically for like all of these two

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:55.760
<v Speaker 1>days because of how much the mom.

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:56.120
<v Speaker 3>Had to work.

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:58.640
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, well, what's your feeling on Sarah, And

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the mom's like, she's okay. I mean I want someone

0:35:01.120 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 1>with more experience, but I can't afford it. And then

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>she's like, I caught her yelling at Sarah once, but

0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 1>if she had hit her, I would have fired her.

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Sometimes she sees bruises and marks on Sarah on Lucy,

0:35:11.000 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>but Sarah always says she fell down or got hit

0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>at the playground, and I was like, yeah, probably by

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>my brute of a son, Oscar. He just walks up

0:35:17.480 --> 0:35:21.720
<v Speaker 1>to any child and smacks them. He's horrible these days.

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.840
<v Speaker 2>He's been such a gentle little boy.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:26.600
<v Speaker 3>I can't believe he's out there hitting.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 1>But he has Rosie because Rosie's taken things from him.

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Rosie's in his grill, and now he's like, now I

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:36.120
<v Speaker 1>fight back. He's like, I'm older, I can walk. He's

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Jeffer Lopez exactly, yes, exactly. He's been taking taekwondo on

0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the side and he's like, now I fucking rise up.

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know.

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>He just goes up to random kids and pushes them,

0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm always like, but he smiles when he does it.

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he thinks he's being nice and playful. Anyway,

0:35:54.640 --> 0:35:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Now Stabler is talking to Sarah the nanny again, and

0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.919
<v Speaker 1>she's like, well, my hours are eight to six, which

0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a brutal, fucking.

0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 3>Long day with a child.

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>I'll say that my hours are eight to six, but

0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Evelyn never gets home till after nine, and she and

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>he's like, wow, those are long hours. Like Stabler's really

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 1>trying to like befriend her and he's and she's like, yeah,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Lucy was a colicky baby and now she's a screamer.

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:18.799
<v Speaker 1>She has huge tantrums when her mom goes out. And

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 1>he's like, Oh, you couldn't pay me to do what

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>you do. I hear a kid scream, It makes me insane.

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:25.040
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, yeah, good thing, you're never around to

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:25.919
<v Speaker 1>help raise your kids.

0:36:26.000 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Tabler like, I'm.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Shocked there's not more FaceTime with him and his kids. Oh,

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess there's no babies here. Maybe if like baby

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Elliott was ready around. Yeah, but they usually try to

0:36:38.040 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>make you know he's holding a baby then thinking tie it.

0:36:41.239 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 3>In, yeah, exactly.

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you can tell he's trying to get her

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 1>to trust him by being like, yeah, these fucking kids,

0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>am I right? Like, girl, I feel you, you know.

0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>And she admits that she spanked Lucy like a little

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>while ago when she threw a toy at her even

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:57.359
<v Speaker 1>though Evelyn told her not to.

0:36:58.000 --> 0:36:59.879
<v Speaker 3>And that's wild too. I mean, I guess twenty years

0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:01.239
<v Speaker 3>a go maybe was a different time.

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.120
<v Speaker 1>But I've never hit a kiss, smacked a kid that

0:37:03.160 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I babysat for ever, or my own kids.

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:09.480
<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. It just feels like worse to

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 3>smack a kid that's not yours, Like.

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 1>You could get in like I would never smack my

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 1>own kids, but you know, I wouldn't smack. I wouldn't

0:37:16.840 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>even tap a kid on the butt with like a

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:20.799
<v Speaker 1>little spank for a kid on babysitting for But I

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:23.960
<v Speaker 1>used to expect my brothers, I guess, but not not

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>for discipline, just to terrorize them.

0:37:26.160 --> 0:37:28.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I never had the urge to hit a kid.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Usually when kids are really bad, I would just be

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>like I would just give up and be like, fine,

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:35.600
<v Speaker 2>you want to throw it through.

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>It not my life. I'm not coming back. What about

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.239
<v Speaker 1>if there's a kid crying in first class? Ever had

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>the urge?

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Then no, because I feel bad for the parents. I

0:37:43.280 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 2>really do. I even if I'm annoyed or whatnot. I'm

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:50.360
<v Speaker 2>never like pissed at a kid and I feel bad.

0:37:50.920 --> 0:37:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeahs normal, That's not true though, if you're not doing anything.

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:56.759
<v Speaker 3>Yes, that's what I always say.

0:37:56.760 --> 0:37:59.520
<v Speaker 1>If the parents are scrolling their phone while their kid

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 1>is screaming on an airplane, then I'm mad, you know.

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of all my years of childcare and camps and

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>all of it. Like, I've also never been in a

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.480
<v Speaker 2>physical fight with an adult. Like I just don't think

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 2>that's my urge in any way. Yeah, yeah, totally. I

0:38:13.239 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 2>mean I used to smack around my little brother. We

0:38:15.280 --> 0:38:16.359
<v Speaker 2>would smack each other.

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 1>But like I've not I always say I've never physically

0:38:18.920 --> 0:38:22.120
<v Speaker 1>hurt anybody I'm not related to, Like it's only my siblings,

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like I've pulled my I've pulled the shit

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:26.919
<v Speaker 1>out of my sister's hair when I was a kid.

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:27.360
<v Speaker 3>Damn.

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:30.839
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, she finally gets that Elliott thinks she's the one

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:32.920
<v Speaker 1>that hurt Lucy, and she's like, wait, you don't think

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 1>I did I didn't do anything. And then they're like, well,

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>then why don't you take it. He's like take a

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:38.640
<v Speaker 1>polygraph and she's like, I'm scared, and then we think

0:38:38.680 --> 0:38:42.960
<v Speaker 1>she's about to confess, but twist, she confesses to stealing

0:38:43.000 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>from the mom's purse. She's like, I take money from

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.600
<v Speaker 1>the mom's purse, five or ten bucks at a time.

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>Like it's a lot of snot acting happening. She's got

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>a drip of snot coming down and I know.

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 3>But it's like, babe, this is s view.

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 2>They don't care about that, the nice confession, but because

0:38:57.440 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 2>I believe that she wouldn't do that, like wow, you know, she.

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Does get upset at the idea that she's gonna get

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 1>busted for stealing maybe a total of one hundred dollars,

0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>and so you know, Stabler buys it. He's like, I

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:12.759
<v Speaker 1>don't think she did it. And Novak's like based on

0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>what and he's like, my gut. She's like two bad,

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>your gut's not admissible in court, babe, And Huang's like, well,

0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:21.880
<v Speaker 1>she does fit the profile. Overworked, like long hours with child,

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>with a child, you know, who misbehaves and Stabler's like,

0:39:25.280 --> 0:39:27.960
<v Speaker 1>she's tweaking over a couple bucks, and Novak's like yeah,

0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:29.480
<v Speaker 1>or she's a complete sociopath.

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:31.560
<v Speaker 3>That's like making you think that she didn't do anything.

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Craigan shows up to drop a bomb that the trib

0:39:35.080 --> 0:39:37.919
<v Speaker 1>just posted a story, a published a story because it's

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>actually not the Internet about this, and that a witness

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.239
<v Speaker 1>saw Sarah abusing Lucy and the piece was written by

0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Ian Felson and done done.

0:39:46.760 --> 0:39:48.640
<v Speaker 3>It's the guy we met earlier at the park.

0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:51.479
<v Speaker 1>So Stabler shows up to talk to this reporter who's

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>out waiting for a purp walk, like a full TMZ reporter.

0:39:54.600 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And Stabler's like, give me your witness and I'll give

0:39:56.560 --> 0:39:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you exclusive on the arrest. And the guy's like, no problem,

0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>calls his w andess on his flippity flip phone and he's.

0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Like, most journalists are so endo up keeping their sources private.

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like interesting this guy's but I think it's because

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:10.360
<v Speaker 2>this is a shitty paper.

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I think this is supposed to be like the poster

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:13.839
<v Speaker 1>like a rag. And the guy's like, oh, I guess

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll ask her if she's okay with it. If you're

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 1>going to give me exclusive on the arrest, like if

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:21.200
<v Speaker 1>it does something for me, you know. So he calls

0:40:21.200 --> 0:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>his source and he and then he gets off the

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 1>phone with her and he's like, yeah, she says, she's

0:40:24.400 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>down to talk to you.

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:26.680
<v Speaker 3>It's Veronica Nash Done Done.

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 1>That's the other nanny, and we've already talked to that bitch,

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:31.800
<v Speaker 1>So what the hell she knew more? And she didn't say. Obviously,

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Stabler is not going to take that well. So now

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>he's over at her place and he's like, you never

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:38.160
<v Speaker 1>told me any of this, and she's like, well you

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.320
<v Speaker 1>never asked. I thought we were focusing on the pedophile

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>picture taker. And he wants to know what she told

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.879
<v Speaker 1>the reporter exactly, and she starts talking major shit about

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:51.400
<v Speaker 1>this poor little shaken baby. She's like, Lucy is difficult, wilful, defiant,

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, who isn't bitch Like she's one and

0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a half years old right basically or two?

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Like they're all wilful and defiant.

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Sarah can't control her and and gets frustrated and hits Lucy,

0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:04.839
<v Speaker 1>this is what Veronica is alleging, and she says she's

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>seen it more than once, and then she said a

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 1>few weeks ago they took their kids to the museum

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>and Lucy was going off and a staff member yelled

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>at Sarah to get control of her, and then Sarah

0:41:13.520 --> 0:41:18.040
<v Speaker 1>smacked Lucy across the face hard. So now like a

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>good cop that doesn't probably exist in real life. Stablers

0:41:21.320 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 1>at the New York Children's Museum talking to the woman

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>who was like running the kids area, and she's like, oh, yeah,

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember Lucy really spirited it really spirited child.

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>She wanted to touch everything. We love that.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 1>So she's acting like she appreciates Lucy's kind of like

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>wild behavior, and she's like, it's an interactive play site.

0:41:38.040 --> 0:41:38.960
<v Speaker 3>We're down, you know.

0:41:39.320 --> 0:41:41.239
<v Speaker 1>And then she said we didn't really care that she

0:41:41.320 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>was being loud and touching all this stuff. It was

0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the nanny who got pissed and she hit the little

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>girl really hard. And then she's like, I went to

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it had a security guard, but when I got back,

0:41:48.480 --> 0:41:52.319
<v Speaker 1>they were gone. So then he shows the woman, the

0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 1>teacher lady from the museum. I don't know what to

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.359
<v Speaker 1>call this, this museum like docent. I don't know who

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 1>she is, but she works at the museum with the children,

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and she's like He's like, look at the picture. Is

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>this the woman pointing to Sarah And she's like, well, well,

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:08.360
<v Speaker 1>well the woman who hit the kid is Veronica, not Sarah.

0:42:08.520 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>She IDs Veronica as the child slapper. Done done. So

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.959
<v Speaker 1>Stabler comes in hot and gets right in Veronica's face.

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:17.080
<v Speaker 3>She's an interrogation.

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.680
<v Speaker 1>She's like, well, Lucy deserves a spanking, she needs discipline,

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, you're sick, lady. You need attention so

0:42:23.120 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 1>badly you run out and lie to a reporter, which

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>is wild, Like why would you go to a reporter

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:29.200
<v Speaker 1>just to have your name in the paper? I guess

0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>is what Saber accuses her of. But it's like, you're

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the one that's been smacking kid. It's like, Erica Jane,

0:42:34.000 --> 0:42:35.279
<v Speaker 1>why are you going on a reality Why is her

0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:37.000
<v Speaker 1>husband leting on a reality show when he's got a

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 1>huge ring? Jenshaw, why are you going on a reality

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>show when you have a full crime syndicate happening underneath you? Anyway,

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>It's just so stupid what people do, but they need attention.

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:51.360
<v Speaker 1>So she was like, listen, it wasn't me that shook

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:54.080
<v Speaker 1>the kid, because I was at my employer's country home

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>all weekend, and that just reminds me about how my

0:42:56.480 --> 0:42:58.959
<v Speaker 1>sister was a public She still is a public school

0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 1>teacher in New York City, but she used to teach

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.200
<v Speaker 1>it a different school with fifth graders, and they would

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>always be like, where's your country house, Miss Caitlin, And

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 1>she'd be like, not everybody has a country house, like

0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:12.680
<v Speaker 1>they just thought everybody has one. So her alibi does

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:15.160
<v Speaker 1>check out. So she did smack the baby, but she

0:43:15.160 --> 0:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>didn't shake her. And Craigan's like, we could still go

0:43:17.400 --> 0:43:21.279
<v Speaker 1>after Veronica for assaulting Lucy. The papers will crucify her,

0:43:21.320 --> 0:43:24.040
<v Speaker 1>she'll lose her job, and stablers like do it. And

0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:27.600
<v Speaker 1>then Craigan, you know, always getting to the psychological is like,

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 1>what are you really mad at?

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.839
<v Speaker 3>Elliott? Is it her or yourself? And He's like, I'm

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:32.240
<v Speaker 3>just pissed.

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:35.080
<v Speaker 1>I spent a whole day chasing around this woman's lies

0:43:35.120 --> 0:43:37.280
<v Speaker 1>when there's like a little kid in the hospital dying

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.840
<v Speaker 1>and I can't, like I'm not getting anywhere on her case.

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.600
<v Speaker 1>In walks Munch with the results of Sarah's polygraph test

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and she passed with flying colors, which doesn't matter.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 3>Polygraphs aren't real.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 1>They don't met like they're easy to beat, apparently, and

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>they don't called up in courts. I don't really know

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>why that exonerates her, but I know she didn't do it.

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>But I'm just saying when they rely on a polygraphic

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 1>confuses me. Munch says, the only thing the trip is

0:44:00.160 --> 0:44:03.160
<v Speaker 1>good for is lining my bird cage. And do we

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 1>think Munch has a bird?

0:44:04.800 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 4>What do you think?

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 3>It's just a figure of speech. He would he would

0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:10.280
<v Speaker 3>have a fucking bird. He would think you're reptile.

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and his bird would be named like Socrates, yeah,

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>or what's what's like a grassy knoll reference or something

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:23.480
<v Speaker 1>like something about jfk assassination. So anyway, Sablor head's bow.

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 1>I really think he has a bird that talks. I

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:26.640
<v Speaker 1>really do.

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe his bird is named my ex wife, So

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.399
<v Speaker 1>whenever he talks about my ex wife, it's the bird

0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:37.920
<v Speaker 1>he's talking about. Anyway, Sablor heads back to the hospital

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 1>and Evelyn's like by her daughter's side, and it's so sad.

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>We're not really getting a full look of this baby,

0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.120
<v Speaker 1>but we're seeing a very tiny body in like a

0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:49.200
<v Speaker 1>crib with around the head bandage and like tubes. It's sad,

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and Evelyn's like any updates detectives and she's like well,

0:44:53.040 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's like, well, Sarah's in the clear.

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 3>So she's like, well, then who hurt Lucy? And he's like,

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:58.240
<v Speaker 3>why don't you tell me, bitch?

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, you and Sarah are the only ones

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.560
<v Speaker 1>that were with her, so what's up now? We got

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>to look at you or what's happening? And suddenly she

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>has more info. Suddenly she's like, okay, I should have

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>told you before, but there was someone else. I just

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't think he could have done this. And it's a

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.880
<v Speaker 1>man I've been seeing. His name is Drew Farmer. He's married,

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:16.720
<v Speaker 1>and I did leave him alone with Lucy.

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Done.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Done, end of act two, top of back three. We

0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:24.520
<v Speaker 1>got Drew Farmer. He is her boss and she's been

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>having an affair with him for a couple of months.

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>And that explains all the overtime. Oh and I didn't

0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:33.799
<v Speaker 1>catch that. Yeah, yeah, so all the time she's been

0:45:33.840 --> 0:45:34.320
<v Speaker 1>at the office.

0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 3>He also looks familiar. Who is this guy?

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know one of the ones I didn't look up. Well,

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 1>they bring this guy in and he's Deny, Deny. He's like,

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.560
<v Speaker 1>Evelyn's just an employee, and it's like, sir, they've already

0:45:44.560 --> 0:45:47.240
<v Speaker 1>brought you in. They fucking know everything. She's the only

0:45:47.280 --> 0:45:50.200
<v Speaker 1>one working overtime that's on your support staff. And guess what,

0:45:50.440 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 1>she only works overtime when your wife is.

0:45:52.040 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 3>Out of town. Done done.

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>He says he never touched the girl, so it's a

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.560
<v Speaker 1>full admission about the affair. And he's like, if my

0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.320
<v Speaker 1>wife finds out, she'll cut my ball off, and Stabler's like,

0:46:01.360 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>criminal court will do worse, and he's like, I don't

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>know what happened to Lucy. Sabler is like painting the

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>scene and he's like, you're having a nice romantic evening.

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Then your girlfriend has to go out to the store,

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 1>and then the kid wakes up. She won't shut the

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.240
<v Speaker 1>fuck up. It's you're not gonna get your rocks off.

0:46:15.600 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Sabler's hammering him and he's like, you shook her to

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:19.839
<v Speaker 1>shut her up, and he's like, no, I just picked

0:46:19.880 --> 0:46:22.200
<v Speaker 1>her up. And then she puked all over me, and

0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:25.360
<v Speaker 1>he's like, Evelyn never mentioned the throw and she's like

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and the guy goes, I never told Evel and I

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:30.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't want to spoil the mood. And then he realizes, fuck,

0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>something was wrong with the kid and I never told

0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the mom, and I could have maybe saved her life,

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Like I never said to the mom, hey, your daughter

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>just barfed everywhere, like for no reason. He just cleaned

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 1>it up and like put her back to bed. So

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:45.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not enough to hold the guy on unfortunately, just

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:47.799
<v Speaker 1>being an asshole who doesn't tell a mom and when

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:50.279
<v Speaker 1>her kid barfs, and so Stabler's really pissed off. He's

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.279
<v Speaker 1>like this poor girl's in the hospital, can't speak, and

0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:55.440
<v Speaker 1>all the adults in her life are lying, and Craigan's like, you're.

0:46:55.400 --> 0:46:58.319
<v Speaker 2>All assholes, but like I don't know if I if

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 2>everyone knows puke is dangerous, you know what I mean?

0:47:02.400 --> 0:47:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Like I definitely think you tell a mom when their

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.520
<v Speaker 1>kid threw up. Well, I wouldn't clean it up, Yes,

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I would go your kid puked, your kid puked, here

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:17.439
<v Speaker 1>you go, yeah, exactly, But you wouldn't be like, uh,

0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 1>it happened, everything's fine. Didn't hear a word from her,

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know that, like you know, And so

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Craigan's like, all right, well, let's go back to the

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>medical evidence of it all. And at Melinda's office and

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:31.239
<v Speaker 1>she's running through the timeline of Lucy's three days before

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:33.919
<v Speaker 1>the hospitalization, like Sunday night is the date night where

0:47:33.960 --> 0:47:38.080
<v Speaker 1>she bars Monday, the babysitter describes her as lethargic Tuesdays

0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 1>when she collapses in the park, So her vomit Sunday

0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 1>night is a classic sign of head trauma. And so

0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.720
<v Speaker 1>the symptoms and the timeframe point to Evelyn Lucy's mom

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And because you know, Sarah doesn't work on the weekend,

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:52.279
<v Speaker 1>so they have to connect to Evelyn if they can

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 1>match her hand size to the size of the rib fracture,

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:59.560
<v Speaker 1>like the bruising of the rib fracture, which seems again

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.320
<v Speaker 1>like a reach. A lot of people have similar sized hands.

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I guess to narrow it down.

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Of the people that have been with her outside the hospital,

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>they Evelyn's like sitting on a bench enjoying some fresh air,

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and they Stabler and Melinda Grabber and are like, hey, mind,

0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:16.319
<v Speaker 1>if you just hold out your hand like this and

0:48:16.400 --> 0:48:16.800
<v Speaker 1>like an.

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.120
<v Speaker 3>L shaped like a too legit to quit.

0:48:19.239 --> 0:48:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Elle And then she runs this machine and she goes,

0:48:23.400 --> 0:48:25.959
<v Speaker 1>it's a match. So she's measuring the size of her hand.

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Not sure how that's a legal way to identify someone,

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.520
<v Speaker 1>but here we are and she says.

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:31.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm a good mother.

0:48:31.200 --> 0:48:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't hurt Lucy, and they mirandize her as they

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:34.480
<v Speaker 1>take her ass away.

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:36.479
<v Speaker 3>Now top of act four.

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.640
<v Speaker 1>In interrogation, Stabler tells Kasey he didn't get a confession

0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>because Evelyn lawyered up and a jury feel will not

0:48:44.120 --> 0:48:46.239
<v Speaker 1>feel bad for a woman who scrambled her kid's brain,

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:49.040
<v Speaker 1>is what Novak says. And then Elliot, it's like every

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 1>parent has been there, and they're chatting about Stabler's parenting woes,

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.120
<v Speaker 1>which I'm like, when are you ever doing it? And

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 1>in walks the amazing fucking legend Beverly di'angelo, who we

0:48:59.160 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>all know and love, and she's playing defense attorney Rebecca Balthus.

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.360
<v Speaker 1>This is her third episode out of five as this character,

0:49:07.560 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 1>so she's played Rebecca about this five times, and then

0:49:10.320 --> 0:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if you watch more recent seasons, she's come back as

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Caresie's mother, Sarah Fina Caresi, the most Italian name of

0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:22.200
<v Speaker 1>all time. So Rebecca Balthus obviously thinks they're railroading her client,

0:49:22.640 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and Casey has such a great line she goes, oh,

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 1>what like, like, what's the defense? Temporary insanity brought on

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>by the stress of raising a child with permanent live

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:30.319
<v Speaker 1>in help.

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 3>I was like, Lol, that was getting me.

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 1>And then Balthus is like, no, no excuses, She's innocent

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:38.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'll prove it. She's really good. I like her

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot in this. So we cut, even though I

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 1>do think she's defending a baby killer. So we cut

0:49:43.120 --> 0:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to court. Melinda is testifying that in her opinion, Evelyn

0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 1>is responsible, and then she rests her case to Casey

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:52.960
<v Speaker 1>rest her case, and here comes Beverly and she's like,

0:49:53.480 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 1>are you familiar with hemophagasitic lympho hestiocytosis aka HLA? And

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I was like, wow, she said it off the top

0:50:02.040 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of her head, like she was a medical doctor, and well,

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:07.759
<v Speaker 1>you just you know, yeah, but I wrote it out.

0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm reading it like she said it, like she memorized

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:11.480
<v Speaker 3>that shit.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>And she's basically making the argument that this rare disorder

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:21.120
<v Speaker 1>called HLH can also causes brain bleeding and eye bleeding.

0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:24.399
<v Speaker 1>And Melinda's like, sure, maybe, but it wouldn't have caused

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:26.799
<v Speaker 1>the rib fractures. And she's like, well, they gave her

0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.680
<v Speaker 1>CPR in Central Park that could have caused the rib fractures,

0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:32.319
<v Speaker 1>and what about the posterior fractures that would have been

0:50:32.480 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 1>they could have been caused by Elliott Stabler who grabbed

0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:36.320
<v Speaker 1>her and ran out of the park with her. And

0:50:36.360 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 1>it's like, did they give her CPR?

0:50:38.640 --> 0:50:39.279
<v Speaker 3>I thought she was.

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Breathing anyway, where's all the hand measuring evidence?

0:50:42.640 --> 0:50:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Huh?

0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Why are we not talking about how the hand evidence

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>matches the mom We've just thrown out the hand evidence.

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like how we got her and now we're just

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.680
<v Speaker 1>not talking about it anyway. The only way to determine

0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 1>HLH versus shake and baby syndrome is an autopsy. It's

0:50:57.160 --> 0:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>like CTE, where you can only find out after someone

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 1>dies if they had it.

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:03.719
<v Speaker 3>I didn't know that about ct Oh.

0:51:03.800 --> 0:51:06.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you can't confirm ct until you chop open the

0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.680
<v Speaker 1>brain and look inside. So while it's very obvious sometimes

0:51:09.680 --> 0:51:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that someone has it, you can't really confirm it. So

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.880
<v Speaker 1>she's like, so it could have been HLH, and Melinda

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:20.279
<v Speaker 1>has to admit, yes, there is a small possibility it

0:51:20.320 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>could have been that, but it doesn't look good for

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution. So now Evelyn is up on the stand

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.840
<v Speaker 1>testifying about how she always dreamed of having a baby

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.160
<v Speaker 1>and it was the best day of her life. When

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 1>her baby was born, and that she dreamed of being

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:33.920
<v Speaker 1>a stay at home mom, and that her dumb husband

0:51:34.000 --> 0:51:36.399
<v Speaker 1>died and now she has to work, and she never

0:51:36.520 --> 0:51:38.680
<v Speaker 1>any have a good life insurance policy.

0:51:38.760 --> 0:51:40.919
<v Speaker 3>They seem like smart New Yorkers, Like what the fuck

0:51:41.000 --> 0:51:42.000
<v Speaker 3>I know? I don't know.

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:44.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe young I'll be honest, knock on wood. I

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:46.920
<v Speaker 1>don't have a life insurance policy. I gotta get one.

0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's expensive. How expensive?

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:50.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

0:51:50.280 --> 0:51:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I should just get one. It's stupid. I need to

0:51:52.160 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 1>just add it on to my plan. Yeah, Codo Insurance,

0:51:54.719 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 1>go visit Vicky. Yeah, I want to interact with Vicky

0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 1>on a professional level.

0:51:58.800 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>No, it seems like she is really good at her

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:05.479
<v Speaker 2>job because Brian moylan went to like Mexico for some

0:52:05.640 --> 0:52:09.720
<v Speaker 2>conference to meet her and like do Codo insurance stuff,

0:52:10.360 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 2>and I think she's like pleasant day to day wildly like,

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but she is good at her job.

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, but don't go to Codo Insurance. I

0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>take it back free ads for her, but I probably

0:52:25.440 --> 0:52:27.839
<v Speaker 2>just gonna bundle it with my home in auto. But yes,

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm also not shaming anyone who doesn't have life insurance.

0:52:30.440 --> 0:52:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I know nothing about it, but seeing.

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:35.360
<v Speaker 1>You are correct at their vibe of having a nanny

0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:37.640
<v Speaker 1>and working at an ad agency seems like her husband

0:52:37.640 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 1>would if you have the like, I don't know, you're right,

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>they seem like the vibe of people that would have

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 1>like the husband.

0:52:43.600 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Would have had like health insurance or something.

0:52:45.600 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, yeah, well yeah, but like my parents

0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 2>are like immigrants or like they don't know what's up. Yeah,

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:55.800
<v Speaker 2>but you're you speak American, get life insurance.

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.680
<v Speaker 1>So she testifies that she never Lucy, she doesn't believe

0:53:01.719 --> 0:53:04.080
<v Speaker 1>in it. She never shook her because she knows what

0:53:04.120 --> 0:53:05.879
<v Speaker 1>that does to a child and that she would never

0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.120
<v Speaker 1>hurt her. And Novak then comes in with a full

0:53:09.600 --> 0:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>shaming of a working mom. She's just like, and how

0:53:12.440 --> 0:53:14.160
<v Speaker 1>much time do you spend with her while you're busy

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.400
<v Speaker 1>at work? Like, I don't really like this look for Novak,

0:53:16.440 --> 0:53:17.640
<v Speaker 1>but I do get that we have to get this

0:53:17.680 --> 0:53:18.400
<v Speaker 1>woman somehow.

0:53:18.920 --> 0:53:21.360
<v Speaker 3>She basically is like, you shook Lucy because.

0:53:21.120 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 1>She was ruining your romantic date. And she cries and

0:53:23.600 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 1>she's like, no, that's not what happened. And then we

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 1>cut to Novak and Stabler walking and talking. She's like,

0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:30.399
<v Speaker 1>I think this is open and shot. He's gonna charge

0:53:30.400 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 1>the jury soon, blah blah blah, and Stabler's like, you

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:35.040
<v Speaker 1>never know what these juries like. They might get sympathetic

0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 1>to this mom who's like daughter is in a coma,

0:53:37.640 --> 0:53:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and then they get a call big news, bad news,

0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Lucy just had a stroke and they don't think she's

0:53:43.760 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 1>gonna make it. So now he gets to the hospital,

0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Julie White is giving us the download again. She had

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>a massive brain hemorrhage that destroyed her cerebral cortex. She

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.440
<v Speaker 1>would be dead if she wasn't on life support. This

0:53:54.480 --> 0:53:56.760
<v Speaker 1>is kind of like when the Terry Shivot thing happened,

0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and like her parents kept thinking there was going to

0:53:58.440 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 1>be a miracle thing. But then when she died, they

0:54:00.280 --> 0:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>caught her brain open and they were like, she was

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.919
<v Speaker 1>never going to recover. Like they did figure it out,

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.840
<v Speaker 1>Like they were correct, you know, but I guess it

0:54:07.920 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 1>is weird when some people do come out. They said,

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 1>she's in a persistive vegetative state. Minimal brain function keeps

0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 1>her heart beating and blood circulating, but she can't see

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:19.799
<v Speaker 1>or hear, and the bad news is she's in constant pain.

0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:22.879
<v Speaker 1>The EEG shows no active thoughts but her primitive brain

0:54:22.920 --> 0:54:26.200
<v Speaker 1>functions are still intact. So and the doctor says there's

0:54:26.280 --> 0:54:28.279
<v Speaker 1>just no way she's ever going to get better. She'll

0:54:28.320 --> 0:54:31.160
<v Speaker 1>deteriorate until an infection kills her or life support is

0:54:31.200 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 1>turned off. And Stabler's like, the jury needs to know

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about this in case. He's like, I mean, bro, it's

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:37.960
<v Speaker 1>too late. I've given my summation. I don't have any

0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 1>legal grounds to delay this case. And he's like, this

0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:43.680
<v Speaker 1>baby's suffering is not irrelevant, and like, you know, a

0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>stern word from Stabler, and all of a sudden, Casey

0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Novak sees a way in. So she's like, let me

0:54:48.560 --> 0:54:50.719
<v Speaker 1>see what I can do. So now she's in a

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>walk and talk with the judge who is named Lois

0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:56.759
<v Speaker 1>Preston that Lisa always calls Lewis, and she is arguing

0:54:57.360 --> 0:55:00.279
<v Speaker 1>about the facts of the case with Bevy d and

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:04.320
<v Speaker 1>she's like, what, nothing's changed. The woman Beverly Dangelo is like,

0:55:04.360 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>the kid was in a coma before and now she's

0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>still in a coma.

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Nothing is She is Bevy a real nickname. I think

0:55:12.000 --> 0:55:15.080
<v Speaker 3>people are named Bevy, but I just started oo. I

0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.399
<v Speaker 3>like that. I like that a lot.

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:21.919
<v Speaker 2>That's cute. I love him, and she's the best. She's

0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.320
<v Speaker 2>stunning in this episode.

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.960
<v Speaker 1>She really is beautiful. Oh she's a gorgeous woman. I

0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.120
<v Speaker 1>thought she was beautiful in Christmasification. I was always like,

0:55:28.160 --> 0:55:30.160
<v Speaker 1>why are you cheating? I mean, I know Christy Brinkley

0:55:30.239 --> 0:55:32.080
<v Speaker 1>is the person he's fantasizing about, but I was like,

0:55:32.120 --> 0:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>you've a pretty hot wife. But Novak is trying to

0:55:35.840 --> 0:55:38.120
<v Speaker 1>argue that this will soon be a murder charge, and

0:55:38.160 --> 0:55:40.879
<v Speaker 1>Beverly's like, uh no, it's not, because the mom has

0:55:40.960 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 1>no intention of ever turning off that life support. And

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 1>Casey's like, well, I think the jury should be able

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 1>to consider newly discovered evidence, and Beverly dangelo is like,

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.080
<v Speaker 1>only if it's presented by the defense, Like, so, I

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:53.879
<v Speaker 1>guess that's a part of law that I didn't really

0:55:53.920 --> 0:55:56.000
<v Speaker 1>know that if there, if the case is like kind

0:55:56.000 --> 0:56:00.000
<v Speaker 1>of ended, new evidence can only be introduced by the defense.

0:56:00.000 --> 0:56:02.320
<v Speaker 1>It's not by the prosecution. They only get one try

0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.000
<v Speaker 1>so that she said, as she puts it, they only

0:56:05.000 --> 0:56:08.000
<v Speaker 1>get one bite of the apple. And then the judge

0:56:08.000 --> 0:56:11.440
<v Speaker 1>sides with her Beverly D'Angelo, who just smirks and walks away,

0:56:11.920 --> 0:56:16.120
<v Speaker 1>and later Stabler walks into the empty courtroom to find Novak,

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:18.360
<v Speaker 1>who tells him, yeah, it was a hung jury.

0:56:18.400 --> 0:56:19.560
<v Speaker 3>They were hopelessly deadlocked.

0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.359
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, but you're retrying, right, and she's like, yeah,

0:56:22.360 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's gonna make a difference. She's too sympathetic.

0:56:25.680 --> 0:56:28.120
<v Speaker 1>And then Stabler gets his like far away look idea

0:56:28.239 --> 0:56:31.080
<v Speaker 1>face with a little light bulb above it. And now

0:56:31.080 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>he's in the hospital and Evelyn is reading good Night

0:56:33.600 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 1>Moon to Lucy and she sees Stabler and is like,

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 1>why are you here? And he's like, I'm here to

0:56:38.440 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 1>see Lucy and she gives him the old do you

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:44.320
<v Speaker 1>have children Detective, which honestly, that would be funny on

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:45.800
<v Speaker 1>a T shirt, like do you have children?

0:56:45.880 --> 0:56:49.200
<v Speaker 3>Detective? They say it so much that would be a

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.279
<v Speaker 3>fun T shirt.

0:56:53.320 --> 0:56:57.240
<v Speaker 1>And he begs her to let Lucy go. He's like, please,

0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.480
<v Speaker 1>like end her pain, and she's like, I believe that's

0:56:59.520 --> 0:57:01.080
<v Speaker 1>up to God. And he's like, bitch, you don't think

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm the most Catholic motherfucker you've ever met. I believe

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 1>it's up to God too. But one of my kids

0:57:06.120 --> 0:57:08.640
<v Speaker 1>had something like this where there was nothing I could

0:57:08.680 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 1>do to alleviate their suffering. I would pray to God

0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:13.239
<v Speaker 1>that he would help me end their suffering. And she

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:15.880
<v Speaker 1>says if she loses to her daughter, she might as

0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:18.560
<v Speaker 1>well be dead too, and it's like you've lost her,

0:57:18.680 --> 0:57:20.920
<v Speaker 1>like this is a husk of a child sitting next

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:22.720
<v Speaker 1>to you, Like I don't know what you think is

0:57:22.800 --> 0:57:26.000
<v Speaker 1>happening here. But now Stabler is talking to Fred Thompson

0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:30.200
<v Speaker 1>aka DA Arthur Branch and he wants the DA's office

0:57:30.280 --> 0:57:33.720
<v Speaker 1>to take on the fight to take Lucy Off's life

0:57:33.720 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 1>support and he's like, they successfully did it in California

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>and then like Branch was like, yeah, but then they

0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.920
<v Speaker 1>failed in Florida, like it kind of depends on the

0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:44.600
<v Speaker 1>case and where you are. And Stabler's like, I don't

0:57:44.640 --> 0:57:46.440
<v Speaker 1>really care about Evelyn. I'm not trying to get her.

0:57:46.520 --> 0:57:48.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm not trying to like get her on murder. I

0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>just think this girl is in constant pain and we

0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>need to stop it. And he's like, okay, fine, but

0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 1>remember Evelyn is her mom. We gotta be careful or

0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna paint us as baby killers as well. So

0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:01.120
<v Speaker 1>it seems like he's saying yes that he will do this,

0:58:01.320 --> 0:58:04.160
<v Speaker 1>but we don't get a definitive answer in the next scene,

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Novak's pissed at Stable. She's like, why'd you go over

0:58:06.640 --> 0:58:08.160
<v Speaker 1>my head to the boss and he's like, I'm just

0:58:08.160 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to do what's right for Lucy and Novak's like, look,

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know. He apologizes. He's like, I shouldn't

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 1>have gone over your head, and he's like, what do

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:17.800
<v Speaker 1>we do here? And Novak's like, I don't even know

0:58:17.800 --> 0:58:18.240
<v Speaker 1>what I would do.

0:58:18.280 --> 0:58:18.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a mom.

0:58:18.880 --> 0:58:21.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I would do if I was Evelyn,

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>And I.

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Don't know what I would do if I shook my

0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 3>baby to death.

0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's like you don't have to be a

0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:29.480
<v Speaker 1>mom to know what if you hear of a child

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:31.120
<v Speaker 1>that's in constant pain that's going to be a vegetable

0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.439
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of their life like that, that's not work.

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't know.

0:58:34.080 --> 0:58:36.320
<v Speaker 1>That's my opinion, but maybe other people are going to

0:58:36.400 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>be like, you're crazy, wait for a miracle, but I

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 1>don't think you do that, Like, yeah, but you were

0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:45.720
<v Speaker 1>raised by a doctor I guess who's also a Republican

0:58:45.760 --> 0:58:49.920
<v Speaker 1>in pro life, So who knows. Listen, Craigan goes, welcome

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:51.960
<v Speaker 1>to SVU, It's not all black and white.

0:58:52.040 --> 0:58:54.320
<v Speaker 3>So I think maybe this is Novak's first season.

0:58:54.360 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 1>So they're trying to like still teach her, teach her

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 1>lessons and shit, And now in the judges chambers they're

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.960
<v Speaker 1>arguing it out again, and Novak is saying, the ethical

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.120
<v Speaker 1>option here is to take her off of life support,

0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and Beverly d'angelo's like, they just want to be able

0:59:06.520 --> 0:59:09.480
<v Speaker 1>to charge Evelyn with murder and she's like, no, I

0:59:09.560 --> 0:59:13.560
<v Speaker 1>represent Lucy's best interests, and Beverly DiAngelo goes, well, it's

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 1>hardly in her.

0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Best interest to be dead. And I thought that that

0:59:17.080 --> 0:59:21.040
<v Speaker 3>line delivery was so good. She's just naturally really funny.

0:59:21.600 --> 0:59:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then this dumb bitch mom is in the

0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:26.560
<v Speaker 1>meeting and she's like, well, I've really been praying for

0:59:26.600 --> 0:59:28.520
<v Speaker 1>her to get better, and it's like, oh, oh you've

0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:29.080
<v Speaker 1>been praying.

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's see if that.

0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Works, like and then you know, they're arguing like she's

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:37.080
<v Speaker 1>in God's hands, not yours, and then Beverly DiAngelo's character

0:59:37.120 --> 0:59:40.680
<v Speaker 1>goes the prosecution wants to execute a helpless child, and

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:43.760
<v Speaker 1>you Judge Preston is like, girl, stop, like you're doing

0:59:43.760 --> 0:59:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the most enough, and Novak argues that missus Pritchard's right

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:52.840
<v Speaker 1>to like control her daughter's living or dying is nullified

0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:55.680
<v Speaker 1>by her legal predicament. Her judgment is biased because her

0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:58.120
<v Speaker 1>freedom depends on her daughter living.

0:59:58.640 --> 0:59:59.320
<v Speaker 3>And so the.

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Judge says, oh, okay, great, so prove to me that

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<v Speaker 1>cessation of life support is in Lucy's best interest.

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<v Speaker 3>So now we're in court and.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got doctor uh I forgot her name, but Julie

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<v Speaker 1>White is the actress we forgot. We get her the

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<v Speaker 1>brain doc on the stand, and she's giving all of

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<v Speaker 1>the extremely.

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<v Speaker 3>Sad, fucked up details.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like, every time we touch Lucy, she has a seizure,

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<v Speaker 1>her bones are brittle, she literally got broke a hip

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<v Speaker 1>getting her diaper changed the other day.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Beverly D'Angelo gets her chance to cross examine the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor and she pulls the trick like ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Heard of this person or this person or this person,

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<v Speaker 3>And she.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes, well, I'm not their doctor, and she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank god because all of them jumped out of Coma's

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<v Speaker 1>ready for pancakes.

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<v Speaker 3>She's like, so do you admit miracles happen?

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<v Speaker 1>And the doctor's like, I guess, and she's like she

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<v Speaker 1>says she had permanent, irreparable brain damage. Life support is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping a shell of a person alive, like there is

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<v Speaker 1>no hope. Like the doctor is like, I think sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people are in comas and it's kind of unknown why,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they can just come out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is like, there are scans of her brain.

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<v Speaker 3>It is mush.

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<v Speaker 1>It is not coming back, it cannot regenerate itself, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there is no hope that she'll ever like live and

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<v Speaker 1>be like on her own, off of breathing tubes and

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<v Speaker 1>life support. Again, So seizure's brittlebones, constant excruciating pain. And

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<v Speaker 1>finally they're pointing all this stuff out, and finally Evelyn

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<v Speaker 1>is like, okay, stop, turn off the machines. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want Lucy to stuffer anymore. Just turn off the machines.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. And then she confesses to everything right

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<v Speaker 1>there on the spot. She basically turns to Stable and

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<v Speaker 1>confesses to him. She's like, I did it. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I love her, Please turn off the machines. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she's begging the court. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>your decision. You could literally just whisper to your lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's turn off the machines right now, like it's you're

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<v Speaker 1>still in your hands. She's like, I loved my baby.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to fuck. I just wanted to have

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<v Speaker 1>a night for myself. She woke up, she wouldn't stop screaming.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so angry. I just shook her over and

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<v Speaker 1>over until she stopped crying. It's like, never occurred to me.

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<v Speaker 1>My kids make me so fucking bonkers where I will

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<v Speaker 1>literally go like, but I would never shave, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know to grab their boy.

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<v Speaker 3>They're so little. I don't know. I just would never

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<v Speaker 3>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Any that horny to me, that Harney could be me,

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be me, Like, I've never been that horny in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. So she says, she shook her until she

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<v Speaker 1>stopped crying, and then she's like and then I put

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<v Speaker 1>her down, and she smiled up at me, and she

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<v Speaker 1>seemed Okay. It's like your child smiled at you after

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<v Speaker 1>you shook the shit out of her, Like, God, that's sick,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't I mean, Supressure wasn't scared anyway. After

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor doctor told her that the baby had been shaken,

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<v Speaker 1>she just kept telling herself it couldn't be her.

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<v Speaker 3>Fault, and that's where you lose me completely too.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, well, when the doctor told me what happened,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept telling myself, well, it couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>my fault, because you're like a sociopath.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's it's hard. It's denial.

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<v Speaker 2>We're asking someone act normal and abnormal circumstances.

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<v Speaker 1>This bitch killed her baby. She's gotten that, you're right, but.

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<v Speaker 3>She did kill her to Fox, so I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Still not on her side. So the whole ession is

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<v Speaker 1>to Stabler, like she has something to prove to him,

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<v Speaker 1>which is funny to me, but anyway, so we get

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<v Speaker 1>that that's done.

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<v Speaker 3>Cord is over. Final scene, Cragan meets.

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<v Speaker 1>Stabler at a bar. And they're always making Craigan meet

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<v Speaker 1>at a bar. It's like he is an alcoholic. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you guys ever, just like meet at fro Yo or something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wild and he tells U Stabler they turned off

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<v Speaker 1>the machines. It took about ten minutes and Lucy died.

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<v Speaker 1>It was peaceful and Evelyn was able to be there.

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<v Speaker 1>The jail brought her down, like the prison. So he

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<v Speaker 1>then we get Stabler, I don't know, gunning for an

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<v Speaker 1>Emmy or something. He gives this long monologue where he's

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<v Speaker 1>like really tearful, it's really really like fucked like it's

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<v Speaker 1>touching and like really emotional. And he shows Craigan a

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<v Speaker 1>picture of Maureene when she was Lucy's Ah, she looks

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen months old, like I don't know two at the most.

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<v Speaker 1>And he tells a story about how he was just

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<v Speaker 1>out of the marines Cathy was knocked up again. He

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<v Speaker 1>was home alone with marine and she spilled grape juice

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<v Speaker 1>all over this new carpet that they had just bought

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<v Speaker 1>that they couldn't afford. He grabbed her to spanker, but

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<v Speaker 1>she twisted away and he slapped her in the face,

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<v Speaker 1>and as his hand was coming down for a second time,

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<v Speaker 1>a voice in his head said stop. And then he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm standing there holding this limp little girl, my

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<v Speaker 1>limp little girl, and I'm saying sorry over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, I could have killed my kid

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<v Speaker 1>over a lousy carpet, and it's fucked up, like like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a little bit of goosebumps just retelling it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's a crazy moment where he's he's basically empathizing

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<v Speaker 1>with this woman and how you know he's made mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>of moments of anger with his children. Hence, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Craigan's already asked for his keys and he's like, let

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<v Speaker 1>me take you home, so they walk off, And that,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, is dick wolf. I'm not that excited to

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<v Speaker 1>hear about the real stuff, but I made it.

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<v Speaker 3>I made it palatable.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's take a break and we'll come back

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<v Speaker 2>to some shaking baby news. Okay, guys, so this is

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<v Speaker 2>sad and obvious.

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like you would have a hard time with

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<v Speaker 3>this one, Cara, but thank you for taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I well, no even telling you, I'm like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not gonna be any but this is such an

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<v Speaker 2>overview that hopefully won't be too traumatic.

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<v Speaker 3>And then but there are dead babies.

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<v Speaker 2>But also there are so many cases, so much controversy.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know, and I hope you like the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that I kind of chose to focus on and why.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is obviously tons of information out there, so

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<v Speaker 2>shaken baby syndrome, And like I said up top, there's

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<v Speaker 2>medical professionals would prefer to call it abusive head trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's abusive head trauma. I will I'm not a doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>I will continue to call it shaken baby syndrome. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it's abusive head trauma. We'll see what if I can

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<v Speaker 2>remember it. And according to the National Center on Shaken

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<v Speaker 2>Baby Syndrome, there are between six hundred and fourteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>cases in the US each year. But that's like like

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<v Speaker 2>a five or.

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<v Speaker 3>Six year old fact.

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<v Speaker 2>The constellation of symptoms known as the triad are brain swelling,

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<v Speaker 2>bleeding on the surface of the brain, and bleeding behind

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Melinda called it a constellation of symptoms as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the writer look at the same article.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, yeah, no, I think that's just like the language.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just had never heard of like a constellation

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<v Speaker 1>of symptoms.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I never have heard that like phrase.

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<v Speaker 2>But go on, yeah, I only think about men in

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<v Speaker 2>black and that little cat with her little necklace, so

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<v Speaker 2>those I guess that was a full galaxy. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 2>if those three symptoms are together, then it has been

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<v Speaker 2>uniformly accepted as evidence that a crime has been committed,

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<v Speaker 2>even if other signs of abuse aren't there. So you

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<v Speaker 2>don't really need like bruises, broken bones or anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if the triad exists, those have become okay and

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<v Speaker 2>saying like abuse has taken place others, so signs of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and we saw some with the baby Lucy, but it's unconsciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>unconscious unconsciousness, Okay, you got it. Yeah, but what's the

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<v Speaker 2>episode we did? Conscience conscience, conscience, Yeah, seizures, not smiling

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<v Speaker 2>or babbling or talking, extreme irritability, vomiting, breathing difficulties, lethargy,

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<v Speaker 2>and then paler blue colored skin, like a soft spot

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<v Speaker 2>on to the top of their head that's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>built up, and inability to lift their head, widened pupils,

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<v Speaker 2>inability to focus or follow movement with their eyes, tremors,

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<v Speaker 2>and coma. So a lot of signs, yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes there are no immediate signs that and they go

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<v Speaker 2>unnoticed and can cause huge problems in the future. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I found one thing that I didn't really talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>but like a child died twelve years after from from

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<v Speaker 2>like residual shit from being shaken as a baby.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So it happens most soten when a parent or

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<v Speaker 2>another caregiver becomes frustrated angry because a baby is crying

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<v Speaker 2>or they're unable to cope with the responsibilities of caring

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<v Speaker 2>for a child, or they might not know that shaking

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<v Speaker 2>a baby can be dangerous. Like that's a thing too,

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<v Speaker 2>I think now it's such a thing that like everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 3>I found one clip from.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor phil And who was a doctor, being like one

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<v Speaker 2>shake can kill a baby, and it's like, Okay, that

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<v Speaker 2>was a little panicky, that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>A yeah, but it had like a big moment in

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<v Speaker 1>like the nineties or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, oh, we will talk about Yeah, nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>seven is when shaken baby really hit the scene. Jelly

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<v Speaker 2>shoes and shaking babies. Okay, this I'm so disrespectful. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's considered a severe type of child abuse and all

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<v Speaker 2>you know, cause it causes swelling, bruising, bleeding in the

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<v Speaker 2>baby's brain, neck, and spinal core damage, fractures to the

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<v Speaker 2>baby's ribs, collarbone, arms, and even legs, and can lead

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<v Speaker 2>to brain damage, lifelong disabilities, and even death. Young children

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<v Speaker 2>have proportionally bigger and heavier heads than adults and weaker

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<v Speaker 2>neck muscles, and their brains are immature, which makes them

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<v Speaker 2>more susceptible to the injuries. So, yeah, their heads are

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<v Speaker 2>just too big for the little necks, and so when

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<v Speaker 2>you shake it, it's just like the head mobility is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot bigger than if like I were to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Karen and I were to shake each other. And the

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosis gave a generation of doctors and prosecutors a way

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<v Speaker 2>to account for unexplained head injuries and babies and for

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<v Speaker 2>stronger cases of child abuse when police had no witnesses, confessions,

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<v Speaker 2>and only circumstantial evidence. And so I didn't know that

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<v Speaker 2>this was controversial, did you No? Yeah, So like a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people think that this is all based on

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<v Speaker 2>junk science and that shaking baby syndrome is fucking bullshit,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of doctors and professionals that have like

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<v Speaker 2>testified in the stand regret it. And the guy who

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<v Speaker 2>created it and coined it and found it it was

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<v Speaker 2>like horrified and disappointed that the way it's been used

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<v Speaker 2>in criminal trials.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're just like accusing random people who made who

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<v Speaker 1>maybe their kids died of SIDS or something, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>just like, up, you shaken baby, You shaked your kid

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And so it's just like it's caused a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of contra Like there's just a lot of back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth and a lot of different opinions, and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Had no idea. I thought it was like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>just the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So some doctors believe that other factors other than shaking

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<v Speaker 2>that have nothing to do with criminal behavior might also

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<v Speaker 2>describe the triad. So the guy like I mentioned, who

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<v Speaker 2>first identified baby shaken syndrome is Norman.

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<v Speaker 3>Guth Kelk who became the Norman. Let's call him Norm.

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<v Speaker 2>So Norm became the pediatric neurosurgeon in Great Britain.

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<v Speaker 3>That's cool. He became suit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like I didn't write that, okay, But he became

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<v Speaker 2>super curious about babies who were coming into his hospital

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<v Speaker 2>with unexplained brain injuries. And he noticed a pattern. And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, where he was in Manchester, a common way

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<v Speaker 2>to punish a baby was to shake it, like not

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<v Speaker 2>hard but light shaking was kind of like a cultural

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<v Speaker 2>way that parents punished their kids, h and so, And

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<v Speaker 2>what he realized was like they weren't admit and then

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<v Speaker 2>finally parents would be like, okay, I shook the baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I gave the baby a good shaking.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that gave him the basis for his paper

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen seventy one on shaken baby syndrome and then

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<v Speaker 2>when prosecutors started using it in court to convict people,

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<v Speaker 2>he was absolutely shocked. He told the Retro Report, which

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<v Speaker 2>is part of the New York Times, he was shocked

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<v Speaker 2>and desperately disappointed. And he was against defining it as

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<v Speaker 2>a syndrome and the idea that every time this happens

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<v Speaker 2>that it must be a crime. So he began reviewing

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<v Speaker 2>shaken baby syndrome where he believed caregivers have been wrongly accused.

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<v Speaker 2>And he did that his whole life, and he died

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty sixteen at age one hundred. His big thing

1:12:10.120 --> 1:12:13.320
<v Speaker 2>was reevaluating crimes where he thought people were being falsely

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<v Speaker 2>accused for crimes they didn't commit. So in nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what you said, like there was a

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<v Speaker 2>big moment in the US where shaken baby was huge.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know this name even yeah, yeah, So this

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<v Speaker 3>was the case.

1:12:25.880 --> 1:12:28.759
<v Speaker 2>So it was nineteen ninety seven a young British nanny

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<v Speaker 2>was charged with murder by shaken baby syndrome, and it

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<v Speaker 2>brought everything into the national spotlight and raised a scientific

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<v Speaker 2>debate that continues to shape child abuse cases today.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I just can't believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it captivated the US because nothing makes people more

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<v Speaker 2>upset than injured children. So people were riled the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 2>The nanny's name is Luis. Are you proud?

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<v Speaker 3>How much? Always that is?

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<v Speaker 2>So? Louis Woodward is the name of the nanny, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was charged with murder in nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 1>You're still saying Louis, like if they did man a

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<v Speaker 1>Mexican man's name?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, but what at lewis Louise? Louise? We'll put

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<v Speaker 3>a z in there. You probably should.

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<v Speaker 2>So her name was Louise Woodward and she was a

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<v Speaker 2>British shapair working for Suneil and Deborah Epen in Newton, Massachusetts.

1:13:21.080 --> 1:13:23.640
<v Speaker 2>She was eighteen years old and accused of shaking an

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<v Speaker 2>eight month old boy, Matthew Epan, so aggressively that he died.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. She was in Newton, mass I know

1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:33.479
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people from there. I thought you would

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<v Speaker 3>because of you know, the New England of it all.

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<v Speaker 3>It's close to my college.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's not that far from my college, so

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a lot of them college from there. Young.

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<v Speaker 3>So she called the police. She made the call.

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<v Speaker 2>So if she did it and did something terrible, like

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<v Speaker 2>why would she call the police, or maybe she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know the connection between her actions and you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it was happening to the baby.

1:13:50.760 --> 1:13:51.360
<v Speaker 3>We don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>So the autopsy showed that the infant had died of

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<v Speaker 2>a two inch fracture to the back of his head,

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<v Speaker 2>and prosecutors said that she had shaken the baby until

1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:01.720
<v Speaker 2>his brain hemorrhaged. She was held without bail at a

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<v Speaker 2>maximum security prison following her arrest. The defense, which was

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<v Speaker 2>paid for by the AU Pairs Agency, like so, yeah,

1:14:10.240 --> 1:14:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the agency paid for it, and the defense argued that

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<v Speaker 2>the boy's injuries may have come early, like weeks earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it was not from her, because so he

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<v Speaker 2>had a fractured head and arm that seemed like it

1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:24.639
<v Speaker 2>could have happened weeks prior. But there was and there

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<v Speaker 2>was no way to prove it by a reasonable doubt

1:14:27.479 --> 1:14:30.479
<v Speaker 2>because while a doctor was on the stand, the defense

1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:32.080
<v Speaker 2>like kept yelling.

1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Were you there? Were you there?

1:14:34.560 --> 1:14:34.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

1:14:34.880 --> 1:14:38.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's the big thing, like there are no witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>There is no reasonable doubt in these cases.

1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:44.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Well, there is plenty of reasonable doubt,

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<v Speaker 1>is what you're saying.

1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yeah, yeah, lots of doubt

1:14:50.000 --> 1:14:52.559
<v Speaker 2>So on the stand, Woodward said that the she only

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<v Speaker 2>shook Matthew lightly in a gentle motion to try to

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<v Speaker 2>get him to respond when she already found him unresponsive,

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<v Speaker 2>and she ganda panic. So she's saying that, like she

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<v Speaker 2>just was like, oh my god, the bass, wake up,

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<v Speaker 2>wake up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so that's what she admitted to.

1:15:08.880 --> 1:15:12.120
<v Speaker 2>And she said that like she was communicating this to

1:15:12.160 --> 1:15:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the cops and that they kind of twisted the words god.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that's the defense. So the key prosecution witness

1:15:20.280 --> 1:15:26.680
<v Speaker 2>was doctor Patrick Barnes, and he's a neurodiologist, neuroadiologist, so

1:15:26.760 --> 1:15:33.200
<v Speaker 2>he's a neuro radiologist and in quotes, I was adamant

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<v Speaker 2>that it had to be child abuse, shaken baby syndrome,

1:15:36.120 --> 1:15:38.200
<v Speaker 2>he told the retro report, as repeated by the New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times. But she maintained her innocence throughout the three

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<v Speaker 2>week trial, but the jury, after three days of deliberation,

1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:47.080
<v Speaker 2>found her guilty of second degree murder, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>sentenced to fifteen years to life. But within days of

1:15:50.680 --> 1:15:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the trial, the judge called the murder conviction an injustice.

1:15:54.320 --> 1:15:57.479
<v Speaker 2>He knocked it down to involuntary manslaughter and reduced her

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<v Speaker 2>sentence to time served to two hundred and seventy nine days.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you know this name was in my head. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I know the Louise Woodward case. I

1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:08.559
<v Speaker 1>don't know anything about it. Like I was like a

1:16:08.600 --> 1:16:10.519
<v Speaker 1>teenager when this case happened, and I heard about it

1:16:10.560 --> 1:16:12.240
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and I was probably babysitting at the

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<v Speaker 1>time and.

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<v Speaker 3>Nervous to hear about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, but I also didn't know any of this

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<v Speaker 1>holy shit keep going.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, yeah, well this I feel like the nineties when

1:16:21.320 --> 1:16:24.439
<v Speaker 2>you're that young a lot of it. Like I like,

1:16:24.479 --> 1:16:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I totally I heard about the mortgage crisis.

1:16:27.400 --> 1:16:28.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't care. It didn't affect me.

1:16:29.080 --> 1:16:32.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean about Monica Lewinsky, but I was like, oh,

1:16:32.320 --> 1:16:34.680
<v Speaker 1>she's a slut. Like I didn't really realize like any

1:16:34.760 --> 1:16:36.720
<v Speaker 1>of what was going on until like later when I

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<v Speaker 1>really researched things.

1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:40.040
<v Speaker 3>I knew there was a cigar in the pussy. I

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<v Speaker 3>did know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that too, but I thought, like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>the way she was portrayed in the media is exactly

1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:46.880
<v Speaker 1>how I believe she was. Like I did not get

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<v Speaker 1>the nuances of that case at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So, the judge said in a sixteen page decision

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<v Speaker 2>that he did not find any malice on her part

1:16:55.200 --> 1:16:59.960
<v Speaker 2>to support the conviction. Woodward showed no emotion during this reduction,

1:17:00.080 --> 1:17:03.120
<v Speaker 2>in comparison to like when she received the guilty verdict,

1:17:03.200 --> 1:17:04.200
<v Speaker 2>she was fully crying.

1:17:04.360 --> 1:17:05.200
<v Speaker 3>But I think she.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, Deadpam So the Epens, in an interview with

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Globe after this, said what does that say

1:17:12.600 --> 1:17:14.960
<v Speaker 2>about justice? Does it say that you could just kill

1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:17.679
<v Speaker 2>a baby and that your youth and inexperience with cranky

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<v Speaker 2>babies counts for more than a child's life and I

1:17:21.360 --> 1:17:25.280
<v Speaker 2>do you know they're obviously in pain. Though some praised

1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:27.800
<v Speaker 2>his decision here in the States because it held her

1:17:27.840 --> 1:17:31.120
<v Speaker 2>responsible for the baby's death without unduly punishing her for

1:17:31.200 --> 1:17:36.320
<v Speaker 2>what seemed like an unintentional crime, but most of Massachusetts.

1:17:35.720 --> 1:17:37.920
<v Speaker 3>Was pissed as hell, outraged.

1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.040
<v Speaker 2>But Woodward returned back to England, where to many British

1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:44.040
<v Speaker 2>people she was seen as innocent, even though a manslaughter

1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:46.960
<v Speaker 2>charge like did stick with her. The judge says, didn't

1:17:47.000 --> 1:17:49.680
<v Speaker 2>say innocent, It just made the conviction less. But to

1:17:49.720 --> 1:17:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the British people it was like she's innocent, she's out

1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:55.519
<v Speaker 2>pall yeah. And in the UK they were just kind

1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:57.920
<v Speaker 2>of horrified by the televising of the case since in

1:17:57.960 --> 1:18:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Britain they don't allow cameras in their courtroom, and like

1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:05.240
<v Speaker 2>they just were really confused by the Americans, like pre

1:18:05.360 --> 1:18:09.480
<v Speaker 2>trial publicity that generate that they believe generated a prejudice

1:18:09.520 --> 1:18:13.679
<v Speaker 2>prejudice jury, and that like the parents of the baby

1:18:13.760 --> 1:18:17.480
<v Speaker 2>were on TV all the time while the jury was deliberating,

1:18:18.080 --> 1:18:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Like their laws are just really different there.

1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:23.400
<v Speaker 3>So they were like pretty gross stout.

1:18:23.520 --> 1:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like how most the world is confused

1:18:26.040 --> 1:18:29.120
<v Speaker 2>why we have medical like pill commercials, Like that's not

1:18:29.160 --> 1:18:32.559
<v Speaker 2>really a thing outside of the US. So, in her

1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:36.680
<v Speaker 2>hometown of Elton in Cheshire, Miss Woodward so like all

1:18:36.680 --> 1:18:39.559
<v Speaker 2>her friends and neighbors packed into every corner of their

1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:42.920
<v Speaker 2>local pub, the Rigor, and they watched the judge reduce

1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:44.920
<v Speaker 2>her sentence and she didn't have to serve more time,

1:18:44.960 --> 1:18:47.320
<v Speaker 2>and people were jumping and grabbing each other. They sang

1:18:47.439 --> 1:18:50.960
<v Speaker 2>songs about her freedom in the tune of soccer songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if she's from the area where shaking was

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<v Speaker 1>like a cultural thing or was that too much earlier

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<v Speaker 1>than her than how old she was.

1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but that I mean, you can't really

1:19:01.640 --> 1:19:03.600
<v Speaker 2>get rid of that stuff with an a generation, you

1:19:03.640 --> 1:19:05.920
<v Speaker 2>know that. Yeah, I don't know where chester Shire to

1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Manchester is, but yeah, could be. There were cut fire crackers,

1:19:10.520 --> 1:19:13.240
<v Speaker 2>car honking and then Woodward came back home and gave

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<v Speaker 2>an interview to the BBC when returning home and maintains

1:19:16.439 --> 1:19:19.280
<v Speaker 2>her innocence and that she did nothing wrong. She believes

1:19:19.320 --> 1:19:21.960
<v Speaker 2>that she was made to be a scapegoat, particularly by

1:19:21.960 --> 1:19:24.720
<v Speaker 2>those parents and back in her home of England, she's

1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:25.559
<v Speaker 2>a dance teacher.

1:19:25.600 --> 1:19:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Even though she did go to law school.

1:19:26.960 --> 1:19:29.040
<v Speaker 2>She worked on a law firm but then said no thanks,

1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.840
<v Speaker 2>became a dance teacher, and she got married and took

1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:36.639
<v Speaker 2>the dad's last like the guy's last name, and has

1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:38.400
<v Speaker 2>a child, so she has a daughter of her own.

1:19:39.439 --> 1:19:41.599
<v Speaker 2>And with a quote to the Daily Mail, she wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I know there are some people waiting for me to

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<v Speaker 2>have a baby so they can.

1:19:44.360 --> 1:19:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Say nasty things to me.

1:19:45.960 --> 1:19:48.080
<v Speaker 2>It upsets me, but that's not going to stop me

1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.920
<v Speaker 2>for leading my life. I am innocent, I've done nothing wrong.

1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm entitled to enjoy my life and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to apologize for being happy. But like the article that

1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:01.360
<v Speaker 2>I read that in was on Yahoo. Yeah, yeah, who no,

1:20:01.520 --> 1:20:06.720
<v Speaker 2>I know, yeah, finance and it's from Cosmopolitan, and the

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<v Speaker 2>it was called Where's Louis Woodward? The Killer Nanny? So

1:20:11.240 --> 1:20:14.680
<v Speaker 2>like they still called her the killer nanny even in

1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:18.880
<v Speaker 2>this thing that was like years after she was home

1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:21.360
<v Speaker 2>like with the baby and everything, and they're like, and

1:20:21.439 --> 1:20:22.759
<v Speaker 2>where's the killer nanny?

1:20:22.840 --> 1:20:23.200
<v Speaker 3>Now?

1:20:23.800 --> 1:20:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she wasn't innocent. She still had an involuntary

1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:31.559
<v Speaker 2>manslaughter charge, so it's not like she's fully innocent. I

1:20:31.560 --> 1:20:34.320
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I don't really have like opinions. I feel

1:20:34.360 --> 1:20:36.519
<v Speaker 2>I obviously feel bad for the parents who.

1:20:36.360 --> 1:20:40.599
<v Speaker 3>Have I wonder what happened? Yeah, I wonder, Like it's

1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:41.479
<v Speaker 3>it's the problem.

1:20:41.560 --> 1:20:44.760
<v Speaker 1>It's not really the defense's job to present an alternative

1:20:44.840 --> 1:20:45.599
<v Speaker 1>theory of the crime.

1:20:45.640 --> 1:20:47.559
<v Speaker 3>They just had to prove that. So it's kind of like,

1:20:47.600 --> 1:20:48.519
<v Speaker 3>but what did happen?

1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:52.600
<v Speaker 2>You know? Yeah? And then very annoyingly, you're gonna like

1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:57.559
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hate this. It's not about the shaking, but

1:20:58.200 --> 1:21:02.120
<v Speaker 2>there started to become giant contempt towards the mother and

1:21:02.200 --> 1:21:05.479
<v Speaker 2>working mothers and how you shouldn't let other people take

1:21:05.479 --> 1:21:08.920
<v Speaker 2>care of your kids. God, and even though in that

1:21:08.920 --> 1:21:11.719
<v Speaker 2>episode the mother did it, they're acting like moms don't

1:21:12.200 --> 1:21:12.360
<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like, of all those instances of shaking baby, I

1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:18.200
<v Speaker 1>bet it's a ton of moms. It's not just like

1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:22.439
<v Speaker 1>fucking nanny's doing it, you know, or it's dad's or

1:21:22.479 --> 1:21:24.519
<v Speaker 1>it's uncles or it's like whoever. There's a lot of

1:21:24.520 --> 1:21:25.519
<v Speaker 1>people around children.

1:21:26.160 --> 1:21:28.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I have some facts later that have nothing

1:21:28.520 --> 1:21:30.640
<v Speaker 2>to do with shaking baby, but I found interesting in

1:21:30.640 --> 1:21:32.680
<v Speaker 2>my research, So we'll talk about the highest rate of

1:21:32.760 --> 1:21:36.559
<v Speaker 2>like who who abusers? Oh okay, but both the mom

1:21:36.560 --> 1:21:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and dad were doctors, an optimologist and an anesthesiologist, and

1:21:41.360 --> 1:21:43.640
<v Speaker 2>people were questioning their judgment of leaving the kid with

1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:48.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody else. Newspaper headlines read lifestyle of a yuppie put

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<v Speaker 2>on trial. There was like montage clips of people talking

1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:57.679
<v Speaker 2>shit about them, and one was horrific. And some guys said, well,

1:21:57.760 --> 1:21:59.760
<v Speaker 2>they didn't want a kid, so now they don't have

1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:03.880
<v Speaker 2>one just because they had a nanny. Like I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>the nineties were way more far away than like I realize.

1:22:08.960 --> 1:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>But people were like, I would never leave my kid

1:22:10.800 --> 1:22:14.280
<v Speaker 2>with someone. She got hate mail and yeah, and.

1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:17.759
<v Speaker 1>It's of course coming to her because it's full misogyny.

1:22:17.200 --> 1:22:20.280
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, like the dad, dad can go out and work. Yeah.

1:22:20.320 --> 1:22:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, she was only working three days a week and

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<v Speaker 2>would come home for lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's like way better than what most working moms

1:22:27.400 --> 1:22:27.760
<v Speaker 1>can do.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>And like the woman in the episode, I mean, she

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<v Speaker 2>was guilty, but like if people were mad that she

1:22:35.040 --> 1:22:38.600
<v Speaker 2>had a nanny, like her husband died, what do you want? Yeah,

1:22:38.680 --> 1:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>then we should live in this. I mean I believe everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I believe in a base income for everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think stay at home mothers just like should

1:22:45.200 --> 1:22:50.000
<v Speaker 2>be given an income from the government and alma, all

1:22:50.080 --> 1:22:53.040
<v Speaker 2>women I think should be given money so they can

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<v Speaker 2>escape abusive partners. I think all like, I believe in

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<v Speaker 2>all of that.

1:22:57.120 --> 1:22:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was just home with my kids for

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen fucking days in a row.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was really hard.

1:23:02.360 --> 1:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I was actually thinking about stay at home moms and

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<v Speaker 1>being like wow, wow, no.

1:23:06.479 --> 1:23:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Because I think because I don't want children, and I'm like,

1:23:08.960 --> 1:23:11.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm a feminist, people think like I might be anti

1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:15.200
<v Speaker 2>like something, and I'm like, pay stay at home moms

1:23:15.320 --> 1:23:15.880
<v Speaker 2>all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So after the trial, you know, I mentioned the doctor who,

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<v Speaker 2>like the prosecution was yelling or the defenseeing neuroradiologist. Yes,

1:23:28.600 --> 1:23:32.400
<v Speaker 2>So this is the neuro radiologist, doctor Barnes, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was on the stand for the prosecution and getting.

1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Yelled at like were you there? Were you there?

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<v Speaker 2>So he was the witness for the prosecution, and he

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<v Speaker 2>has rethought his testimony is and is now convinced that

1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:47.040
<v Speaker 2>the diagnosis happened too fast in criminal cases, and other

1:23:47.320 --> 1:23:52.160
<v Speaker 2>causes could be infections, diseases, earlier injuries from accidental falls,

1:23:52.520 --> 1:23:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and even strokes that occurred in utero. Like I saw

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<v Speaker 2>one case where a man served all this time and

1:23:58.680 --> 1:24:02.120
<v Speaker 2>then they read tested stuff because new medical examiners, like

1:24:02.160 --> 1:24:04.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these cases, people get put away and

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<v Speaker 2>then a new chief medical examiner starts and starts re

1:24:07.280 --> 1:24:11.120
<v Speaker 2>examining cases and they get to choose what happens. And

1:24:11.200 --> 1:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>so like they found one case where one of the

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<v Speaker 2>babies actually had like twenty five like all these strokes

1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:19.759
<v Speaker 2>in utero. It's just a controversy that I didn't know existed.

1:24:19.800 --> 1:24:24.559
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like, this is what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>One New York Times article stated, like shaken or not,

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, the dominant issue is

1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:35.080
<v Speaker 2>child abuse, and child abuse is not good. And this

1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>is the other tidbit that I found that has nothing

1:24:37.960 --> 1:24:39.639
<v Speaker 2>to do with this, but I thought it was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because of who we are. So various studies over the years,

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<v Speaker 2>as reported by The New York Times, suggests that the

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<v Speaker 2>most serious threat to a small child's well being is

1:24:49.160 --> 1:24:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the presence of a mother's living boyfriend. Ah and they

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<v Speaker 2>source the American Academy of Pediatrics. There was an eight

1:24:58.000 --> 1:25:00.600
<v Speaker 2>year study and it showed that a how told with

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<v Speaker 2>an unrelated adults were nearly fifty times kids were fifty

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<v Speaker 2>times is likely to die of inflicted injuries if there

1:25:09.520 --> 1:25:12.280
<v Speaker 2>was unrelated adults in the home and eighty three percent

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<v Speaker 2>of those were perpetrated by the person that's unrelated.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1:25:18.200 --> 1:25:20.639
<v Speaker 2>So and that's I always say this. If a man

1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>wants to date you and you have children, do a

1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:23.760
<v Speaker 2>background check.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you for doing all of this work on

1:25:29.600 --> 1:25:30.479
<v Speaker 1>shaking baby.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know where. I don't know what to think.

1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think with anything like courts and law

1:25:36.280 --> 1:25:39.160
<v Speaker 1>enforcement can be make mistakes and be corrupt, and I'm

1:25:39.200 --> 1:25:41.000
<v Speaker 1>sure people have been accused of things, but I do

1:25:41.040 --> 1:25:45.320
<v Speaker 1>think it exists, right, Like people do fucking snap when

1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:47.719
<v Speaker 1>their babies won't stop crying and do anything to shut

1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:48.120
<v Speaker 1>them up.

1:25:48.600 --> 1:25:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I do believe that the guy, the doctor

1:25:51.439 --> 1:25:53.560
<v Speaker 2>in England in the seventies who came up with this,

1:25:53.840 --> 1:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>like I think he thinks it's real and everyone think.

1:25:56.800 --> 1:25:58.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just the shock of how it

1:25:58.640 --> 1:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>was used so liberally and criminal trials, yes, is what

1:26:02.479 --> 1:26:07.320
<v Speaker 2>kind of alarmed the medical community. But but yeah, there

1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:09.280
<v Speaker 2>was a heyday, Like there was just like a montage

1:26:09.320 --> 1:26:13.320
<v Speaker 2>of people on daytime talk shows being like shaking baby,

1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:17.839
<v Speaker 2>shaking baby, and like I've seen them like bus ads

1:26:17.960 --> 1:26:19.679
<v Speaker 2>like don't shake your baby, and.

1:26:19.840 --> 1:26:23.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, all that stuff.

1:26:23.479 --> 1:26:26.639
<v Speaker 2>But that's why you shouldn't even if you really want kids,

1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>it's so hard. Like that's why another reason why you

1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:32.879
<v Speaker 2>should not force people to raise children that don't want children.

1:26:33.360 --> 1:26:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, they will share.

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<v Speaker 1>And just like in that first year of life, there's

1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:41.679
<v Speaker 1>like postpartum, there's all kinds of like emotional and physical

1:26:41.720 --> 1:26:44.479
<v Speaker 1>things that moms and dads are going through. And like

1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:47.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm not excusing anyone, but I'm just saying, like mental

1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.040
<v Speaker 1>health access has got to be part of this too,

1:26:50.200 --> 1:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:26:50.680 --> 1:26:55.679
<v Speaker 2>So it's not blaming parents, but I just feel so sad,

1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>like your baby is dead and now you're on trial

1:26:58.360 --> 1:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>and you're like what and then and you can't even

1:27:01.560 --> 1:27:02.879
<v Speaker 2>it's yeah.

1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:04.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, horrible.

1:27:04.479 --> 1:27:07.479
<v Speaker 1>But listen, we've got an amazing palette cleanser to make

1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:11.439
<v Speaker 1>you forget about all of these deceased babies. Our guest

1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>is amazing, So do not go anywhere, guys, it's guest time.

1:27:22.320 --> 1:27:24.639
<v Speaker 1>And I do not say this lightly when I say

1:27:24.720 --> 1:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>that our guest today is an absolute icon. You know

1:27:28.400 --> 1:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>her as Ellen Griswold from all of the Vacation films.

1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:33.840
<v Speaker 3>You know her from American History X.

1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.360
<v Speaker 1>You may have seen her on several separate episodes of SVU,

1:27:36.400 --> 1:27:38.559
<v Speaker 1>where she not only plays a character in today's episode,

1:27:38.600 --> 1:27:41.679
<v Speaker 1>but she also plays Sara Fina Caresi, mother of Dominic

1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>quote unquote Sonny Careesi. And she also was recently in

1:27:46.439 --> 1:27:50.639
<v Speaker 1>the huge Christmas smash Violent Night. But on today's episode,

1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you know her as defense attorney Rebecca balth This, guys,

1:27:54.080 --> 1:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>please enjoy our amazing convo with Beverly DiAngelo.

1:27:58.960 --> 1:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>You're such a get for us, Like we're just so excited.

1:28:02.000 --> 1:28:06.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe you're so down. But Kara wrote the medicine.

1:28:06.960 --> 1:28:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Say it out loud, Cara.

1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:12.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I remember you're in court. You're asking Melinda

1:28:12.520 --> 1:28:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Warner the medical Exameter. Have you ever heard of chemo.

1:28:16.360 --> 1:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Phagosytic lympho lympho histosis? I can't. I'm reading, I know,

1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and it rolls right off your tube like you went to.

1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:31.000
<v Speaker 4>Medical took a lot of professional application. What is it again,

1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:33.440
<v Speaker 4>hem hem hemo.

1:28:35.200 --> 1:28:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Lympho.

1:28:36.200 --> 1:28:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we have like medicaltosisosis.

1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:43.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, because I couldn't when when I read that, I went,

1:28:44.240 --> 1:28:48.040
<v Speaker 4>are you kidding me? That's a laugh line. There's like,

1:28:48.520 --> 1:28:50.240
<v Speaker 4>there's this thing I used to do. I'm the only

1:28:50.280 --> 1:28:51.960
<v Speaker 4>person in the world that thinks it's funny. But if

1:28:51.960 --> 1:28:53.400
<v Speaker 4>we were in person, I would do it with you.

1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:56.040
<v Speaker 4>And it's not even a game. It's just I think

1:28:56.080 --> 1:28:58.120
<v Speaker 4>I made it up, but in between takes to just

1:28:58.439 --> 1:29:00.840
<v Speaker 4>keep myself from being bored. But like you know, one

1:29:00.880 --> 1:29:03.280
<v Speaker 4>person you can see me has to take a sip

1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:06.599
<v Speaker 4>of water, right ha ha. And now as you're taking

1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:10.599
<v Speaker 4>the sip of water, the other person says, where were

1:29:10.640 --> 1:29:14.320
<v Speaker 4>you on the night of October sixteenth? And you go,

1:29:15.120 --> 1:29:18.679
<v Speaker 4>I was with foul Duncan and then the other person

1:29:18.760 --> 1:29:21.320
<v Speaker 4>and then you take a sip. Well, the other person says,

1:29:21.640 --> 1:29:25.559
<v Speaker 4>Flower Vuncalpusa died on June nineteen eighty two and then

1:29:25.600 --> 1:29:28.800
<v Speaker 4>you go spit it out. So to me, I didn't

1:29:28.800 --> 1:29:31.240
<v Speaker 4>really put that all together right as in telling. But

1:29:31.320 --> 1:29:34.000
<v Speaker 4>to me, when I read the name of that condition,

1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:36.960
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a medicine or the condition, I

1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:39.559
<v Speaker 4>thought all I could think of was that game. You know,

1:29:39.640 --> 1:29:42.000
<v Speaker 4>have you ever heard of him at official? Sounds like

1:29:42.040 --> 1:29:46.040
<v Speaker 4>a it has a Nazi tinge to it. I'm so

1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:48.280
<v Speaker 4>glad you picked that because it's the first thing I

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:50.240
<v Speaker 4>thought of when I found out that you had this

1:29:50.320 --> 1:29:53.000
<v Speaker 4>podcast and dissected SVU.

1:29:52.960 --> 1:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>No and we love your back as like Sarahie Currency

1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the most Italian name of all time.

1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:01.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I wish they'd be back.

1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Well, I bet you well, I bet you.

1:30:04.400 --> 1:30:08.040
<v Speaker 4>You know was recurring, But what happened was what Narberto

1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:11.519
<v Speaker 4>said was that you know, they were exploring when Warren

1:30:11.600 --> 1:30:14.240
<v Speaker 4>Light was the showrunner, which is when I did that

1:30:14.439 --> 1:30:17.519
<v Speaker 4>episode in January of twenty twenty two. That's when we

1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:19.320
<v Speaker 4>shot it. I don't know when it came on. I

1:30:19.320 --> 1:30:24.839
<v Speaker 4>think March or something. But anyway, Warren Light and seconded

1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:28.479
<v Speaker 4>by Norberto, saw that as a recurring character because they

1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:32.840
<v Speaker 4>were thinking of going into Peter Cresi's home life.

1:30:32.960 --> 1:30:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:35.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, So you know, I think the episode you

1:30:35.560 --> 1:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>were in was kind of like you meeting Kelly Gettish's

1:30:38.680 --> 1:30:41.120
<v Speaker 1>character to kind of like, you know, feel her out,

1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:44.759
<v Speaker 1>and so you she we just talked to Kelly Giddish

1:30:44.800 --> 1:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>and she was raving about you. She was like you,

1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:49.640
<v Speaker 1>She's like you boy yet Beverly D'Angelo and I go,

1:30:49.720 --> 1:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we go, we're talking to her this.

1:30:50.840 --> 1:30:54.479
<v Speaker 4>Weak ever, But I mean, really, that show is like

1:30:55.520 --> 1:30:58.080
<v Speaker 4>you know what they say, it starts from the top,

1:30:58.160 --> 1:31:01.880
<v Speaker 4>and Marissa Hagerta is one of the most incredible human

1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:07.720
<v Speaker 4>beings on the planet. Besides her acting chops, She's got

1:31:07.760 --> 1:31:11.080
<v Speaker 4>a heart and a soul and I even her brother

1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:12.639
<v Speaker 4>has a plant store here in La I.

1:31:12.560 --> 1:31:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Got yes, I used to live near it.

1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:18.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And now did you see they built that building

1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:21.200
<v Speaker 4>so it doesn't get any sunlight. Oh yeah, they built

1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:23.639
<v Speaker 4>a building on right and Franklin.

1:31:24.160 --> 1:31:25.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was it.

1:31:25.439 --> 1:31:27.960
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, you know, if you need a rare plant,

1:31:28.000 --> 1:31:30.400
<v Speaker 4>you call you know, Mickey Mickey Das.

1:31:30.479 --> 1:31:30.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:34.960
<v Speaker 4>The thing is that the atmosphere of that shoot, it's

1:31:35.080 --> 1:31:40.759
<v Speaker 4>it's an everybody's emotionally in tune and invested in the show,

1:31:41.560 --> 1:31:44.720
<v Speaker 4>and everybody's supporting each other to do their best, so

1:31:44.760 --> 1:31:50.400
<v Speaker 4>you're not getting you know, little uh fractures anywhere. You know,

1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:53.280
<v Speaker 4>when you come on as a guest, you're like coming

1:31:53.280 --> 1:31:56.400
<v Speaker 4>into heaven, you know what I mean. It's it's it's wonderful,

1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:58.559
<v Speaker 4>it's it's a it was a wonderful atmosphere. And it

1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:00.559
<v Speaker 4>was that from the get go, and I did it

1:32:00.600 --> 1:32:02.479
<v Speaker 4>early on. I mean, I don't know what season it

1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.479
<v Speaker 4>was in in two thousand and one, but I think

1:32:04.520 --> 1:32:08.120
<v Speaker 4>that's when I did Shaken one or two thousand.

1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:10.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it was some doesn't two?

1:32:10.800 --> 1:32:14.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean so that's where it was only five

1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:15.840
<v Speaker 4>years old then. I mean it was a hit.

1:32:16.240 --> 1:32:19.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was season five when you did Shaken, and.

1:32:20.040 --> 1:32:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah you did your first one was Course, which I love.

1:32:23.000 --> 1:32:26.360
<v Speaker 2>But I have to say, your character is so funny.

1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Your character is just is so quick and like sharp,

1:32:28.880 --> 1:32:30.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's like I don't think so it makes all

1:32:30.160 --> 1:32:33.200
<v Speaker 1>these old jokes and obviously part of that is scripted,

1:32:33.240 --> 1:32:35.200
<v Speaker 1>but like you must have brought something to that too,

1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:37.640
<v Speaker 1>having like years and years of comedy experience.

1:32:38.600 --> 1:32:40.840
<v Speaker 4>You know, I'll tell you something that they say and

1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:44.439
<v Speaker 4>I want to believe it because I'm so old now.

1:32:45.120 --> 1:32:49.640
<v Speaker 4>But they say that, you know, talent doesn't age, you

1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:52.439
<v Speaker 4>know what I mean. I don't want to say that

1:32:52.520 --> 1:32:56.519
<v Speaker 4>it's genetic to anybody, but because I really do believe

1:32:56.560 --> 1:33:00.000
<v Speaker 4>in applying yourself and studying and developing a skill set.

1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:04.760
<v Speaker 4>But acting talent is a different thing. Singing talent. You know,

1:33:04.800 --> 1:33:08.519
<v Speaker 4>your voice, your chords can age, your voice gets lower

1:33:08.560 --> 1:33:12.360
<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that. But that core engine of whatever

1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:16.479
<v Speaker 4>it is that allows a person to connect with words

1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:20.160
<v Speaker 4>and inhabit a role and get into that moment, you

1:33:20.160 --> 1:33:23.200
<v Speaker 4>know that that is a talent. You know you can

1:33:23.560 --> 1:33:27.160
<v Speaker 4>learn that deepest thing. But skill set is a lot.

1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:31.760
<v Speaker 4>But so as far as what did I bring from

1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:35.360
<v Speaker 4>years of this and years of that, I never bring anything.

1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:39.080
<v Speaker 4>What I do is I look at what I'm supposed

1:33:39.120 --> 1:33:44.719
<v Speaker 4>to do. I have a hamster real head for research.

1:33:44.760 --> 1:33:47.320
<v Speaker 4>I love deep dies, and I start to invent a

1:33:47.360 --> 1:33:50.360
<v Speaker 4>whole thing, and whatever it is that gets invented out

1:33:50.360 --> 1:33:52.519
<v Speaker 4>of this will come into it. But I never sit

1:33:52.560 --> 1:33:54.800
<v Speaker 4>there and go like, oh, got to have the word

1:33:54.920 --> 1:33:58.880
<v Speaker 4>K because that's a funny letter, you know, I don't.

1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:00.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean all of three.

1:34:00.680 --> 1:34:03.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I look for that. But even that, with the

1:34:03.479 --> 1:34:08.920
<v Speaker 4>way that storytelling has evolved, with this long storytelling medium

1:34:08.920 --> 1:34:12.400
<v Speaker 4>of streaming and stuff. Even those little kind of punchline rules.

1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:15.360
<v Speaker 4>You can have it in a moment, but there's a

1:34:15.360 --> 1:34:20.040
<v Speaker 4>different thing happening now, and so rules don't apply. And

1:34:20.080 --> 1:34:23.240
<v Speaker 4>I have a very specific way that I go through

1:34:23.320 --> 1:34:25.000
<v Speaker 4>a script and the way that I get into a

1:34:25.080 --> 1:34:28.000
<v Speaker 4>character and all that kind of stuff. But it's that

1:34:28.320 --> 1:34:32.919
<v Speaker 4>is something that I've accrued over time, and I've accruited

1:34:32.960 --> 1:34:37.639
<v Speaker 4>over time doing playing and supporting roles because I'm supporting actress.

1:34:37.720 --> 1:34:41.160
<v Speaker 4>So the thing about supporting roles, it is like you

1:34:41.200 --> 1:34:45.320
<v Speaker 4>aren't carrying the full storyline. You know that the the

1:34:45.320 --> 1:34:48.800
<v Speaker 4>the the the audience isn't watching you start here and

1:34:48.840 --> 1:34:50.919
<v Speaker 4>go all the way there and get all those little pieces.

1:34:51.439 --> 1:34:55.519
<v Speaker 4>With a supporting role, you know you are. It's kind

1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:57.840
<v Speaker 4>of like a musical. You're either you're you're You're there

1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:03.240
<v Speaker 4>either to further the plot or to develop character, so

1:35:03.360 --> 1:35:06.040
<v Speaker 4>to present yourself as a whole. This is just something

1:35:06.080 --> 1:35:09.080
<v Speaker 4>that I have always been drawn to, just because of

1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:12.400
<v Speaker 4>my need to. You know, anytime that I've been offered

1:35:12.439 --> 1:35:14.439
<v Speaker 4>a role that was a sporting role, I go, well,

1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:16.479
<v Speaker 4>what happens to her between the time you see her

1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:19.120
<v Speaker 4>in the kitchen and then you don't see you until she's,

1:35:19.439 --> 1:35:22.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, on the steps of the courthouse. I like

1:35:22.600 --> 1:35:25.240
<v Speaker 4>to fill that stuff in so that so that the

1:35:25.360 --> 1:35:29.280
<v Speaker 4>character emerges, so that I know where I'm at, I

1:35:29.360 --> 1:35:31.280
<v Speaker 4>know what's happened, and I can make that up. It

1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:33.040
<v Speaker 4>can be anything. I could have had a fake leg

1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:35.800
<v Speaker 4>put on and throw anything, but you know what I mean,

1:35:35.840 --> 1:35:38.320
<v Speaker 4>it's it's it's something that that I love to do,

1:35:39.080 --> 1:35:41.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, and that that that gives me room for

1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:47.400
<v Speaker 4>the imagination. And so guest starring on Law and Order,

1:35:47.680 --> 1:35:50.240
<v Speaker 4>you know, I do remember, you know, some of that,

1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:52.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, like figuring out like well, where does she

1:35:53.040 --> 1:35:55.559
<v Speaker 4>live and what did she do after that thing? And

1:35:55.600 --> 1:35:57.519
<v Speaker 4>why did she How did she find out the name

1:35:57.560 --> 1:35:58.240
<v Speaker 4>of that disease?

1:35:58.640 --> 1:36:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she dug deep because like that woman pretty It

1:36:03.200 --> 1:36:06.280
<v Speaker 1>was like the medical examiner was like, this is shaking

1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:08.599
<v Speaker 1>baby syndrome, hands down, and you were like, what about

1:36:08.600 --> 1:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>this seventeen syllable disease?

1:36:11.720 --> 1:36:14.280
<v Speaker 4>I found about? That was also because I was a

1:36:14.320 --> 1:36:17.320
<v Speaker 4>defense lawyer. It was shaking baby right, yeah.

1:36:17.160 --> 1:36:20.080
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, she shook that baby. She shook that

1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>baby for sure. Yeah.

1:36:22.040 --> 1:36:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times your your people are guilty,

1:36:24.400 --> 1:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>but that doesn't matter your paid defense.

1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:28.040
<v Speaker 4>They're guilty. Yeah.

1:36:28.120 --> 1:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:36:29.320 --> 1:36:31.479
<v Speaker 1>And was looking at your IMDb you have like six

1:36:31.560 --> 1:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>things in pre production or post production. It was like,

1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:36.599
<v Speaker 1>you're like the busiest woman in the world.

1:36:36.680 --> 1:36:38.519
<v Speaker 4>Okay, let me get this out of the way. For

1:36:38.560 --> 1:36:42.240
<v Speaker 4>why I'm working so much now, I had my kids.

1:36:42.320 --> 1:36:45.160
<v Speaker 4>I got pregnant forty eight. I gave birth of forty nine,

1:36:45.760 --> 1:36:49.240
<v Speaker 4>difficult pregnancy, hit the ground running. Was a single mother.

1:36:49.680 --> 1:36:52.320
<v Speaker 4>You know, nobody's really a single mother. But I was,

1:36:52.360 --> 1:36:54.120
<v Speaker 4>you know, split up with their dead by the time

1:36:54.479 --> 1:36:57.679
<v Speaker 4>they were three. So you know, I got I remember,

1:36:57.720 --> 1:37:00.400
<v Speaker 4>I got offered Winter's Bone, and I couldn't it because

1:37:00.400 --> 1:37:03.600
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't be gone for months. Because I'm from Ohio.

1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:07.679
<v Speaker 4>I wanted my kids. I knew that the right way.

1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:10.160
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't even think of an alternative. The right way

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:12.479
<v Speaker 4>to raise kids was to have at least one parent

1:37:12.720 --> 1:37:17.040
<v Speaker 4>who is emotionally and physically available at all times. Now,

1:37:17.320 --> 1:37:21.120
<v Speaker 4>but Gino is one of our greatest actors. You kind

1:37:21.120 --> 1:37:24.600
<v Speaker 4>of assess everybody's need. He's a true artist. I'm not

1:37:24.640 --> 1:37:26.839
<v Speaker 4>going to say, don't go off and do that Oscar

1:37:26.920 --> 1:37:30.200
<v Speaker 4>worthy thing so that I can go to you know

1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:34.519
<v Speaker 4>Texas and you know, sit on a cactus and saying something,

1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:36.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. It was just it wasn't

1:37:36.200 --> 1:37:39.000
<v Speaker 4>a sacrifice. It was just how do I do all

1:37:39.080 --> 1:37:42.240
<v Speaker 4>this and give my children what they need? So people

1:37:42.280 --> 1:37:45.200
<v Speaker 4>stopped asking me to do things. And I did do

1:37:45.880 --> 1:37:50.240
<v Speaker 4>law and order, but that was before I started saying

1:37:50.240 --> 1:37:54.439
<v Speaker 4>no to, before I broke up with that. And then

1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:59.960
<v Speaker 4>I did entourage, and I did some little teeny independ

1:38:00.240 --> 1:38:04.240
<v Speaker 4>things here and there that really nobody saw and didn't

1:38:04.240 --> 1:38:11.000
<v Speaker 4>really mean anything to anybody. But then my kids graduated

1:38:11.000 --> 1:38:15.880
<v Speaker 4>from high school and they got on their paths, and

1:38:16.280 --> 1:38:19.960
<v Speaker 4>my daughter had to have an operation. She had an

1:38:20.000 --> 1:38:22.280
<v Speaker 4>anomaly in her face. We knew we were going to face,

1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:26.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, a major surgery when she was twenty, and

1:38:26.720 --> 1:38:29.439
<v Speaker 4>we did. We moved up to it was a year ago.

1:38:29.560 --> 1:38:32.280
<v Speaker 4>Last June was a year and a half ago. I

1:38:32.320 --> 1:38:35.040
<v Speaker 4>got a place in Santa Barbara close to her surgeon.

1:38:35.560 --> 1:38:36.960
<v Speaker 4>I guess I'm talking about it a lot because it

1:38:36.960 --> 1:38:39.360
<v Speaker 4>was kind of traumatic. But anyway, so she had this

1:38:39.400 --> 1:38:43.479
<v Speaker 4>life change and surgery and I realized, oh, there's space,

1:38:45.000 --> 1:38:47.360
<v Speaker 4>you know, because you never stopped parenting. But as far

1:38:47.439 --> 1:38:51.439
<v Speaker 4>as like getting my kid in college, getting Livy to

1:38:51.520 --> 1:38:56.200
<v Speaker 4>her final point, physically correcting some stuff that she had

1:38:56.240 --> 1:39:01.360
<v Speaker 4>been born with. You know, I felt like, okay, okay,

1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:04.599
<v Speaker 4>they're they're they're really on their feet. And I examined, well,

1:39:04.600 --> 1:39:07.640
<v Speaker 4>how much do I need to be needed? And I thought, no,

1:39:08.000 --> 1:39:11.200
<v Speaker 4>this is time. I mean, I've really my kids, just

1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:13.680
<v Speaker 4>see my faith in them, so I don't need to

1:39:13.680 --> 1:39:16.360
<v Speaker 4>stir up any you know, situations where oh and then

1:39:16.400 --> 1:39:16.920
<v Speaker 4>they need me.

1:39:17.560 --> 1:39:17.760
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1:39:18.800 --> 1:39:22.840
<v Speaker 4>It was really about freeing. And what started to surge

1:39:22.920 --> 1:39:25.840
<v Speaker 4>up in me was my creative need, you know. I mean,

1:39:25.880 --> 1:39:28.720
<v Speaker 4>that's that's what started me on my trajectory when I

1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:31.960
<v Speaker 4>left home at seventeen, you know, to express, you know,

1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:35.120
<v Speaker 4>whether it's painting or singing or acting whatever. It is,

1:39:35.280 --> 1:39:38.719
<v Speaker 4>not dancing now, I'm allows a dancer, but my niece

1:39:38.760 --> 1:39:44.519
<v Speaker 4>Courtney's an excellent dancer. She stars in river Dance. Anyway. Anyway,

1:39:45.280 --> 1:39:49.760
<v Speaker 4>So what happened was I was sitting there in this

1:39:49.760 --> 1:39:53.120
<v Speaker 4>this little house in Santa Barbara's beautiful day, and I

1:39:53.160 --> 1:39:56.000
<v Speaker 4>started to think about this idea of manifesting. You know

1:39:56.640 --> 1:40:00.080
<v Speaker 4>that when you really center yourself and you think of

1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:03.280
<v Speaker 4>of you know, what your wants and needs are. When

1:40:03.320 --> 1:40:06.120
<v Speaker 4>you are really aware of that, and for me it

1:40:06.160 --> 1:40:09.640
<v Speaker 4>was my creative need. It does kind of calibrate just

1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:13.080
<v Speaker 4>what you do. And I believe this. I think it

1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:16.400
<v Speaker 4>brings things to you when you're really in your core,

1:40:16.720 --> 1:40:20.080
<v Speaker 4>really truly who you are. It sends out a kind

1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:23.400
<v Speaker 4>of resonance. I believe this, and that's based on a fact.

1:40:23.960 --> 1:40:25.360
<v Speaker 4>Do either of you play the piano.

1:40:25.960 --> 1:40:27.280
<v Speaker 3>My whole family does.

1:40:27.400 --> 1:40:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I did it a little as a child, but I

1:40:30.000 --> 1:40:30.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, did you have.

1:40:30.840 --> 1:40:32.559
<v Speaker 4>A baby grand or a grand piano?

1:40:33.000 --> 1:40:34.160
<v Speaker 3>My mom had a grand piano.

1:40:34.200 --> 1:40:38.000
<v Speaker 4>All right? Then you know what a sustain pedal is.

1:40:39.200 --> 1:40:41.040
<v Speaker 4>That's a pedal on a piano that when you press

1:40:41.040 --> 1:40:43.639
<v Speaker 4>it down, it lifts the felts off the strings so

1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:48.920
<v Speaker 4>they resonate. If you press the sustained pedal down and

1:40:49.040 --> 1:40:52.599
<v Speaker 4>you lift the top of the piano and you go

1:40:55.920 --> 1:41:01.840
<v Speaker 4>into the piano strings the corresponding a note, that string

1:41:01.920 --> 1:41:07.920
<v Speaker 4>that holds that note will reverberate. It's called sympathetic resonance.

1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:12.879
<v Speaker 4>I think sympathetic resonance and that's a fact of life

1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:17.320
<v Speaker 4>that if you sing a certain frequency into a piano,

1:41:17.640 --> 1:41:21.640
<v Speaker 4>it will make that string reverberate. And I think that

1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:25.120
<v Speaker 4>I kind of this is my thing. I think that

1:41:25.160 --> 1:41:29.360
<v Speaker 4>applies to life, that if you are centered in yourself

1:41:29.400 --> 1:41:32.439
<v Speaker 4>with what you truly need, not what you think you need,

1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:36.320
<v Speaker 4>you know intellectually, but if you really really get to

1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:39.559
<v Speaker 4>the core of that, it sets off something and it

1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:45.480
<v Speaker 4>draws people in, like singing a note incurs a sympathetic

1:41:45.520 --> 1:41:50.519
<v Speaker 4>resonance from a piano. And so what happened was my friends.

1:41:51.360 --> 1:41:53.320
<v Speaker 4>A friend of mine called me up and who I'd

1:41:53.320 --> 1:41:56.040
<v Speaker 4>worked with before when she was like working your way

1:41:56.080 --> 1:41:59.040
<v Speaker 4>up as a producer. She said, I'm producing a TV

1:41:59.080 --> 1:42:02.680
<v Speaker 4>show for CBS. I have a great role for you.

1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:05.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm going to offer it to you. Boom. Now did

1:42:05.880 --> 1:42:07.760
<v Speaker 4>the pilot. It got picked up. Now I have a

1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:10.479
<v Speaker 4>recurring role on a CBS show that premieres in the

1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:15.799
<v Speaker 4>spring called True Lives. Norberto Barbara was in that group

1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:23.479
<v Speaker 4>the following that was a fall Robert Schwartzman, Tony Kay, you.

1:42:23.439 --> 1:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Know what I mean.

1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:25.960
<v Speaker 3>They heard the vibrations.

1:42:26.320 --> 1:42:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it wasn't like I was calling him saying, hey,

1:42:28.320 --> 1:42:29.640
<v Speaker 4>do you want you know, can you give me a

1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:30.559
<v Speaker 4>job or anything? Yeah?

1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:33.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you weren't like, hey, I'm back on the scene. Yeah,

1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:34.480
<v Speaker 3>it's just a headset.

1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:37.000
<v Speaker 4>It's just a mindset.

1:42:37.040 --> 1:42:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I think I have another thing I want to ask

1:42:39.640 --> 1:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>you about the Simpsons.

1:42:40.840 --> 1:42:42.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm a huge Simpsons head.

1:42:42.160 --> 1:42:45.559
<v Speaker 2>I love Lurline Lumpkin, and I can't believe it's you, Okay.

1:42:46.120 --> 1:42:49.400
<v Speaker 4>Frank Zappa was a very good friend of mine, as

1:42:49.479 --> 1:42:52.680
<v Speaker 4>was his wife and his children. Duesel to this day,

1:42:52.720 --> 1:42:59.360
<v Speaker 4>Deweesel's a very close friend. Anyway, Frank was using a

1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:02.040
<v Speaker 4>sink clip toward the end of his life, and it

1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:04.679
<v Speaker 4>was a It was a machine that like you could

1:43:04.720 --> 1:43:08.400
<v Speaker 4>program with notes, you could get sound sources like somebody

1:43:08.400 --> 1:43:11.439
<v Speaker 4>could burp, and you could splay it out in a scale. Anyway,

1:43:11.439 --> 1:43:15.320
<v Speaker 4>he wanted to record my voice and for some and

1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:18.000
<v Speaker 4>I was dating this guy and for some reason, I

1:43:18.080 --> 1:43:22.040
<v Speaker 4>was wearing a cheerleading outfit that I'd gotten at La

1:43:22.200 --> 1:43:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Rag I think. Anyway, so I took this guy that

1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:31.040
<v Speaker 4>was with over to Frank's studio and also the guy

1:43:31.120 --> 1:43:34.160
<v Speaker 4>was with was really drunk. But Matt Grunning was there.

1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:38.320
<v Speaker 4>Oh so we never got around to meet oohing into

1:43:38.360 --> 1:43:41.400
<v Speaker 4>his cinclavier, but we had this really nice get together

1:43:41.520 --> 1:43:45.160
<v Speaker 4>night and I met Matt and a few weeks later

1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:48.880
<v Speaker 4>I got this offer to play LiLine Lumpkin, the singing

1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:52.080
<v Speaker 4>waitress from Spittle County, and I just sat right down

1:43:52.120 --> 1:43:54.280
<v Speaker 4>at my piano. I called my brother Jeff, I said

1:43:54.320 --> 1:43:56.639
<v Speaker 4>get over here. We sat right down at my piano

1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:59.680
<v Speaker 4>and I wrote, well, the bases were empty on the

1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:02.760
<v Speaker 4>and of my heart when the coach called me up

1:44:02.960 --> 1:44:05.559
<v Speaker 4>to the plate, So I wrote, finally bagged me a

1:44:05.600 --> 1:44:09.880
<v Speaker 4>homer And then I sent it into them. They liked it,

1:44:10.880 --> 1:44:13.760
<v Speaker 4>and so we used it in the show. And then

1:44:14.560 --> 1:44:16.600
<v Speaker 4>because also you know, sometimes you don't get all the

1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:21.519
<v Speaker 4>contracts signed before you actually complete something. And so then

1:44:21.560 --> 1:44:24.720
<v Speaker 4>I got this contract to sign from Fox, and it

1:44:24.840 --> 1:44:28.280
<v Speaker 4>said that they would own that song, that they would

1:44:28.320 --> 1:44:31.320
<v Speaker 4>own the publishing. And I had a publishing company because

1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:33.960
<v Speaker 4>my brother and I had this little secret company where

1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:37.640
<v Speaker 4>we would do soundalikes for soundtracks for people in television

1:44:38.120 --> 1:44:40.920
<v Speaker 4>that couldn't afford to buy the original. We'd like, wow,

1:44:41.200 --> 1:44:44.760
<v Speaker 4>you'd crank it out. So anyway, it said you got

1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:47.160
<v Speaker 4>to do this and this and this and and I

1:44:47.200 --> 1:44:49.400
<v Speaker 4>think I even had a direct conversation, or it was

1:44:49.400 --> 1:44:51.360
<v Speaker 4>through my age or something, but I said, even Randy

1:44:51.439 --> 1:44:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Newman gave us a song, Fox has to own this.

1:44:54.400 --> 1:44:57.840
<v Speaker 4>And I just never signed it. I just never signed

1:44:57.840 --> 1:45:01.840
<v Speaker 4>it because I was thinking, if it's oh beeracratic, that

1:45:01.840 --> 1:45:04.719
<v Speaker 4>there are all these layers of stuff, and most actors,

1:45:04.760 --> 1:45:07.200
<v Speaker 4>I've always read every single word in a contract my

1:45:07.200 --> 1:45:10.680
<v Speaker 4>whole life, out of curiosity and also because you know

1:45:11.640 --> 1:45:15.160
<v Speaker 4>my life. But it would have been such an easy

1:45:15.240 --> 1:45:18.040
<v Speaker 4>thing to sign. If I hadn't ever read that, you know,

1:45:18.080 --> 1:45:22.519
<v Speaker 4>it'd be like yes, yesessyes. And just by not signing that,

1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:26.680
<v Speaker 4>I guess it fell through the cracks because I to

1:45:26.720 --> 1:45:30.000
<v Speaker 4>this day I get, you know, residuals from the performance

1:45:30.000 --> 1:45:31.320
<v Speaker 4>and also from the publishing.

1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, that makes me so happy. I know.

1:45:35.240 --> 1:45:37.920
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know you wrote that. That's amazing and amazing,

1:45:37.920 --> 1:45:41.240
<v Speaker 2>that's amazing. Do you have the action figure of her?

1:45:41.800 --> 1:45:46.000
<v Speaker 4>I do, Okay, I have a couple of action figures.

1:45:46.120 --> 1:45:48.080
<v Speaker 4>I have one that's set in a bowling alley and

1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:51.360
<v Speaker 4>then another one that's set somewhere else amazing. There's one

1:45:51.400 --> 1:45:53.920
<v Speaker 4>box that came out that's a bowling alley. I don't

1:45:53.920 --> 1:45:54.920
<v Speaker 4>have merchandising now.

1:45:58.080 --> 1:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>So you brought up vacation before we're talking to you

1:46:00.720 --> 1:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>now in the holiday season, what happens when like every

1:46:04.000 --> 1:46:07.080
<v Speaker 1>year Christmas rolls around that movie is like huge in

1:46:07.120 --> 1:46:07.639
<v Speaker 1>my house.

1:46:07.840 --> 1:46:10.679
<v Speaker 3>It's like a class family business classic, like.

1:46:10.800 --> 1:46:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Walking around in the most beautiful world you can imagine.

1:46:15.840 --> 1:46:17.600
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I was like, does it annoy you that?

1:46:17.880 --> 1:46:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Like it comes back around every year? You love it?

1:46:20.200 --> 1:46:23.920
<v Speaker 4>It's so beautiful because by the way it's built. Yeah,

1:46:24.120 --> 1:46:26.320
<v Speaker 4>it didn't start out like that the first one. By

1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.080
<v Speaker 4>the way, the first one was r rated and was

1:46:29.840 --> 1:46:33.800
<v Speaker 4>but everybody identified with it instead. But I mean there's

1:46:33.800 --> 1:46:36.679
<v Speaker 4>some vision as a satire, but anyway, it just keeps

1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:40.400
<v Speaker 4>growing and growing and growing. And what I find is

1:46:40.400 --> 1:46:44.519
<v Speaker 4>that the people who like Christmas Vacation and who have

1:46:44.640 --> 1:46:48.519
<v Speaker 4>it as part of their lives, they're family people. They're

1:46:48.600 --> 1:46:53.240
<v Speaker 4>nice people. They're not mean spirited, they're lovely. So to

1:46:53.320 --> 1:46:56.840
<v Speaker 4>get that kind of love really, you know, that kind

1:46:56.880 --> 1:47:01.040
<v Speaker 4>of appreciation. I do find that the real hardcore Christmas

1:47:01.120 --> 1:47:03.719
<v Speaker 4>Vacation fans don't want to know about anything else I've done.

1:47:05.560 --> 1:47:07.680
<v Speaker 4>And I've got this series coming out and I'm a

1:47:07.680 --> 1:47:10.240
<v Speaker 4>badass and by the night that's nice. You know that

1:47:10.360 --> 1:47:13.040
<v Speaker 4>dress that you wore, that green my wife is a

1:47:13.360 --> 1:47:15.200
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. It's not like it's a

1:47:15.240 --> 1:47:18.519
<v Speaker 4>close set, but it's very specific and around this time

1:47:18.560 --> 1:47:22.120
<v Speaker 4>of years. It's just a lovely thing because it's so

1:47:22.280 --> 1:47:26.160
<v Speaker 4>much a part of a certain certain strata of our culture.

1:47:26.200 --> 1:47:29.680
<v Speaker 4>There's a certain grouping of people, but they really like

1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:32.200
<v Speaker 4>it and it means a lot to them, And it

1:47:32.240 --> 1:47:36.080
<v Speaker 4>feels so great to feel that appreciation. Like I had

1:47:36.080 --> 1:47:38.640
<v Speaker 4>anything to do with it. You know. It's like you

1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:40.600
<v Speaker 4>look at that movie, you take what you want and

1:47:40.680 --> 1:47:42.920
<v Speaker 4>it does something to you. I just showed up and

1:47:43.000 --> 1:47:46.280
<v Speaker 4>did the thing. But the character, by the way I

1:47:46.400 --> 1:47:49.960
<v Speaker 4>did bas on my mother. I did based on the

1:47:50.080 --> 1:47:52.160
<v Speaker 4>character of my mother because I was a wild job.

1:47:52.160 --> 1:47:54.880
<v Speaker 4>I left them at seventeen. I lived on communes. I

1:47:54.920 --> 1:47:59.599
<v Speaker 4>was saying, my rol bands. I was not that person. Yeah, yeah,

1:47:59.640 --> 1:48:02.719
<v Speaker 4>you know. But it was a chance to pay tribute

1:48:02.720 --> 1:48:05.559
<v Speaker 4>to my mother, who was devoted to my father. I

1:48:05.600 --> 1:48:08.920
<v Speaker 4>grew up witnessing a great love affair, so I had

1:48:08.960 --> 1:48:10.040
<v Speaker 4>to pass it along to her.

1:48:10.280 --> 1:48:10.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:48:11.120 --> 1:48:14.400
<v Speaker 1>It also just introduced me to so many people like you,

1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Chevy Chase, Julia, Louis Dreyfus, Randy Quaid, I mean, Juliette Lewis.

1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:20.880
<v Speaker 3>Like all these, I know, huge.

1:48:20.640 --> 1:48:22.840
<v Speaker 1>People that I didn't know who anybody was when I

1:48:22.880 --> 1:48:23.720
<v Speaker 1>first watched it.

1:48:23.800 --> 1:48:26.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, like you know what I was. I was

1:48:26.840 --> 1:48:29.600
<v Speaker 4>in Yeah, well nobody else did either. But I was

1:48:31.320 --> 1:48:35.120
<v Speaker 4>in Pittsburgh doing this autograph thing with Chevy and the

1:48:35.160 --> 1:48:38.160
<v Speaker 4>woman who was helping me from the convention, the best, Antoinette,

1:48:38.240 --> 1:48:41.800
<v Speaker 4>the Best, she invited me to. I got stuck there

1:48:41.960 --> 1:48:44.559
<v Speaker 4>and so I didn't leave on Sunday. But on Sunday night,

1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:47.880
<v Speaker 4>she and her sister had they have a party where

1:48:47.920 --> 1:48:51.800
<v Speaker 4>people dress up as characters. Oh my gosh, and her

1:48:51.840 --> 1:48:56.320
<v Speaker 4>sister and her sister's friend they wore those those jogging suits,

1:48:56.400 --> 1:48:59.759
<v Speaker 4>those like aluminum foil looking jogging suit. I was almost

1:48:59.760 --> 1:49:03.080
<v Speaker 4>gonna go and say I was dressed up as Zellen Griswold,

1:49:04.479 --> 1:49:06.040
<v Speaker 4>but I couldn't. I had to wake up at like

1:49:06.080 --> 1:49:07.920
<v Speaker 4>six in the morning to go to the airplane.

1:49:08.320 --> 1:49:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh.

1:49:09.640 --> 1:49:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wait, we could literally talk about your career forever,

1:49:12.360 --> 1:49:13.839
<v Speaker 1>but let's circle back to SVU.

1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:15.920
<v Speaker 4>Really cut that stuff out. You can cut it out.

1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:19.080
<v Speaker 2>No, we would never cut it. We would never We

1:49:19.120 --> 1:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>want to know it all that was all gold.

1:49:22.439 --> 1:49:26.599
<v Speaker 1>But so, I mean, do you have like memories of SVU,

1:49:26.760 --> 1:49:29.920
<v Speaker 1>like you and Richard Belzer, you and Marushka like you know,

1:49:30.240 --> 1:49:32.479
<v Speaker 1>specific like any little stories or anything.

1:49:33.320 --> 1:49:35.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, I gotta tell you about me. Let me

1:49:35.880 --> 1:49:38.240
<v Speaker 4>get it up on IMDb side. Remember the name of

1:49:38.280 --> 1:49:42.160
<v Speaker 4>the one person I'm thinking of. Anyway, It just all

1:49:42.200 --> 1:49:46.040
<v Speaker 4>good stuff. Iced tea was great. When I went in

1:49:46.040 --> 1:49:48.920
<v Speaker 4>to do looping, he had cocoa with him. Yeah, she's

1:49:48.960 --> 1:49:52.120
<v Speaker 4>the sweetest person in the world. But Richard Belzer, I

1:49:52.240 --> 1:49:56.000
<v Speaker 4>was a big fan of his comedy, right. We were

1:49:56.400 --> 1:50:00.439
<v Speaker 4>in the same kind of click in the early days,

1:50:00.479 --> 1:50:03.680
<v Speaker 4>but didn't really I didn't intersect too much with the

1:50:03.680 --> 1:50:06.519
<v Speaker 4>guys who were doing stand up. But Sam Kinnison I knew,

1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:09.519
<v Speaker 4>and Chevy was you know, they knew about him in

1:50:09.560 --> 1:50:11.240
<v Speaker 4>the stand up world and stuff. So there were a

1:50:11.280 --> 1:50:13.080
<v Speaker 4>little bit of overlaps. But I was something it was

1:50:13.120 --> 1:50:19.240
<v Speaker 4>the hottest Wow. Well yeah, so that was wealth real

1:50:20.479 --> 1:50:25.599
<v Speaker 4>and met his wife and but Mariska, you know, yeah,

1:50:25.720 --> 1:50:27.840
<v Speaker 4>I was so moved by her that I wrote her

1:50:27.880 --> 1:50:30.960
<v Speaker 4>a letter like I wrote her like basically a fan

1:50:31.160 --> 1:50:36.120
<v Speaker 4>letter when I left here, you know, because really and

1:50:36.160 --> 1:50:39.040
<v Speaker 4>the director and everybody, even the wardrobe people. I can't

1:50:39.280 --> 1:50:42.000
<v Speaker 4>I can't even describe it. It's like I don't know

1:50:42.040 --> 1:50:45.400
<v Speaker 4>what the equivalent would be. Just think of go that

1:50:45.560 --> 1:50:49.280
<v Speaker 4>you're invited over to someone's house or everybody there is

1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:52.960
<v Speaker 4>a genius and they're brilliant and they love what they

1:50:53.040 --> 1:50:56.559
<v Speaker 4>do and they're happy to see you. That's you know,

1:50:56.760 --> 1:50:57.719
<v Speaker 4>Lawn or SVU.

1:50:57.960 --> 1:51:01.519
<v Speaker 3>Do your kids are they? Did they have like the

1:51:01.560 --> 1:51:03.800
<v Speaker 3>bug for the business or what?

1:51:04.560 --> 1:51:10.000
<v Speaker 4>My daughter is a live actor in an escape room, Oh.

1:51:09.800 --> 1:51:12.280
<v Speaker 3>My gosh, amazing.

1:51:12.160 --> 1:51:16.360
<v Speaker 4>In the best escape room in the Los Angeles area.

1:51:16.960 --> 1:51:21.400
<v Speaker 4>It's in Silmar. It's called the Basement and there's a

1:51:21.439 --> 1:51:26.320
<v Speaker 4>whole backstory. It's horrifying. It gave me the creeps. But

1:51:26.360 --> 1:51:29.200
<v Speaker 4>I'm going back on Sunday because niece. I have my

1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:32.160
<v Speaker 4>son and my niece in my house, my nieces living

1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:33.960
<v Speaker 4>with me. My son kind of got booted back here

1:51:33.960 --> 1:51:36.720
<v Speaker 4>from his apartment with the COVID thing, but once they

1:51:37.240 --> 1:51:39.719
<v Speaker 4>stop the online classes, he'll be back in his apartment anyway.

1:51:39.720 --> 1:51:41.519
<v Speaker 4>So I got a house full of I got my

1:51:41.560 --> 1:51:43.719
<v Speaker 4>two nieces are here, Courtney who's here all the time,

1:51:44.040 --> 1:51:46.320
<v Speaker 4>and Katie just came in. So we're going to go

1:51:46.360 --> 1:51:48.400
<v Speaker 4>out and go to the escape room. But it's got

1:51:48.400 --> 1:51:54.040
<v Speaker 4>a backstory where these horrible people killed and imprisoned kids,

1:51:54.160 --> 1:51:57.400
<v Speaker 4>and one was a cannibal, and so Livy is like

1:51:57.520 --> 1:52:05.519
<v Speaker 4>in one room, she's a blind and death made and

1:52:05.920 --> 1:52:07.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, has blood dripping out of her eyes and stuff.

1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:10.439
<v Speaker 4>Now of course you can see, but you know she

1:52:10.560 --> 1:52:12.360
<v Speaker 4>gives prompts when the people get lost.

1:52:12.680 --> 1:52:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh my gosh.

1:52:14.920 --> 1:52:17.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, she's deep into it. She's a live actor. And

1:52:17.320 --> 1:52:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Alan I went and we were like, oh my god,

1:52:19.400 --> 1:52:24.680
<v Speaker 4>this is like the greatest ser you know, and you know,

1:52:24.680 --> 1:52:28.719
<v Speaker 4>because it's interactive. And my son Angel, from the age

1:52:28.720 --> 1:52:33.360
<v Speaker 4>of fifteen, he's was drawn to video games and he said,

1:52:33.640 --> 1:52:36.040
<v Speaker 4>at a very early age, said the art form of

1:52:36.080 --> 1:52:38.760
<v Speaker 4>the twenty first century. So he's a video game developer

1:52:38.920 --> 1:52:40.519
<v Speaker 4>and he's developing a game right now.

1:52:40.600 --> 1:52:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh cool.

1:52:41.320 --> 1:52:47.519
<v Speaker 1>Well, wow, Beverly, this was a thrill that. I mean,

1:52:47.640 --> 1:52:49.840
<v Speaker 1>we we're gonna we need to have you back. There's

1:52:49.840 --> 1:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>too much more to talk about.

1:52:51.080 --> 1:52:54.040
<v Speaker 4>I'm also tomorrow.

1:52:56.720 --> 1:52:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Can you even believe that we just talked to her.

1:53:00.320 --> 1:53:01.439
<v Speaker 2>It's not even hitting me.

1:53:02.200 --> 1:53:06.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I am like a huge Christmas vacation fan.

1:53:06.920 --> 1:53:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I like love her so much. I just she was

1:53:09.400 --> 1:53:12.320
<v Speaker 1>so cool. She reminded me of well, I always say,

1:53:12.360 --> 1:53:13.640
<v Speaker 1>she kind of reminded me of when we talked to

1:53:13.680 --> 1:53:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Kathy Moriarty because we talked to her forever and she

1:53:15.840 --> 1:53:18.559
<v Speaker 1>seems like this brassy, like I've been in this business

1:53:18.560 --> 1:53:20.200
<v Speaker 1>a long time. They both kind of sound like they

1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:23.200
<v Speaker 1>smoke SIGs, like you know, I like, I'm obsessed.

1:53:23.320 --> 1:53:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I just thought she was so cool.

1:53:25.040 --> 1:53:28.760
<v Speaker 2>So open, like you know, not not any not many

1:53:28.760 --> 1:53:30.439
<v Speaker 2>people that come on our show are like this, but

1:53:30.479 --> 1:53:32.600
<v Speaker 2>it's so much was a star like that. It's like

1:53:33.040 --> 1:53:36.040
<v Speaker 2>pr publicists say this do and say that, oh what's that?

1:53:36.439 --> 1:53:40.400
<v Speaker 2>And she is just so open, so giving, so honest,

1:53:41.120 --> 1:53:45.559
<v Speaker 2>no games, no hiding stuff, Like I just I loved

1:53:45.800 --> 1:53:48.760
<v Speaker 2>everything about her and down to her living room, I

1:53:48.800 --> 1:53:51.120
<v Speaker 2>mean everything like and.

1:53:51.120 --> 1:53:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like obsessed with her before I even knew

1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>that she had kids with al Pacino. And then when

1:53:55.080 --> 1:53:56.800
<v Speaker 1>she was like yeah al and I went to go

1:53:56.840 --> 1:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>see our daughter at the Escape Room, I'm just like,

1:53:58.840 --> 1:54:02.920
<v Speaker 1>you're what is your life? Beveragelo Like she's amazing, And

1:54:03.000 --> 1:54:06.360
<v Speaker 1>we have we have figured out my sushi for like

1:54:06.520 --> 1:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, Elliott's stabler. Benson knew that that couldn't have

1:54:09.000 --> 1:54:11.599
<v Speaker 1>been stabler because he's eating sushi. And we figured out

1:54:11.640 --> 1:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>mine is escape rooms. If you get a tech if

1:54:15.840 --> 1:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>I ever call Liza and she goes cool I'll be

1:54:19.360 --> 1:54:21.080
<v Speaker 1>at this escape room and I'll call you back in

1:54:21.120 --> 1:54:23.240
<v Speaker 1>a half an hour. I'm like, okay, immediate call to

1:54:23.320 --> 1:54:25.479
<v Speaker 1>nine one one, because that's not happening. That's not real.

1:54:25.560 --> 1:54:27.839
<v Speaker 1>She's been taken and she's under duress.

1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Because what was so funny?

1:54:29.439 --> 1:54:32.200
<v Speaker 2>So I was at Kara's house, but Jared was walking

1:54:32.240 --> 1:54:34.040
<v Speaker 2>in the back door. He didn't know I was there yet,

1:54:34.360 --> 1:54:37.760
<v Speaker 2>and so all he saw was a McDonald's coffee on

1:54:37.880 --> 1:54:41.040
<v Speaker 2>the counter, and in his head it was like what

1:54:41.080 --> 1:54:44.360
<v Speaker 2>because not only does Karen not actually go to McDonald's,

1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:49.280
<v Speaker 2>she does not drink coffee. He was like, this, what happened?

1:54:49.320 --> 1:54:52.400
<v Speaker 2>This is pod snatchers or body snatchers. And then Lisa

1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>just popped out and was like I'm here, I'm here,

1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:58.920
<v Speaker 2>Ah God, And then you know what I mean. Obviously,

1:54:59.000 --> 1:55:01.240
<v Speaker 2>Beverly's great. If you're listening to all of this with

1:55:01.280 --> 1:55:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the tour, Like then we get back from the tour, Rosie.

1:55:05.160 --> 1:55:10.680
<v Speaker 1>As COVID, Well, she's completely asymptomatic. It's crazy. So we're

1:55:10.680 --> 1:55:12.280
<v Speaker 1>just wearing masks in the house. I think I still

1:55:12.280 --> 1:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>probably have some immunity from when I just had it.

1:55:14.760 --> 1:55:16.560
<v Speaker 1>I think she got it at school because a couple

1:55:16.680 --> 1:55:19.160
<v Speaker 1>kids have had it at school, but just so far,

1:55:19.240 --> 1:55:21.880
<v Speaker 1>my Oscar doesn't have it. We're keeping it. It's just like, yeah,

1:55:21.960 --> 1:55:25.720
<v Speaker 1>it's like life is so fucking just punches you in

1:55:25.760 --> 1:55:29.080
<v Speaker 1>the face over and over again, especially with my fucking kids.

1:55:29.120 --> 1:55:31.200
<v Speaker 3>But everything, you know, it's cute.

1:55:31.840 --> 1:55:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Oscar waved to me for the first time on FaceTime

1:55:34.600 --> 1:55:35.960
<v Speaker 2>and it was really cute.

1:55:36.280 --> 1:55:37.360
<v Speaker 3>And Jared taught him.

1:55:37.360 --> 1:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>If you're a fan of Drag Race, and you know,

1:55:39.040 --> 1:55:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Alaska's catchphrase is hi, like Jared basically taught them how

1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:45.160
<v Speaker 1>to say that. And so now Oscar whenever he's on

1:55:45.200 --> 1:55:48.520
<v Speaker 1>FaceTime with me, he goes hi, and it is really

1:55:48.960 --> 1:55:51.400
<v Speaker 1>sending me. I don't know if we have like a

1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:53.480
<v Speaker 1>full post mortem from this episode.

1:55:53.600 --> 1:55:56.600
<v Speaker 3>But don't shake your don't shave your baby.

1:55:58.080 --> 1:56:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, kids cry, and it's actually way better to wait.

1:56:02.240 --> 1:56:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Should we do that on the road?

1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Should that be our big surprise at the end we

1:56:05.400 --> 1:56:09.880
<v Speaker 2>do a full shaken baby dance? And so where all

1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the lessons we've learned don't have sex with your sister

1:56:13.720 --> 1:56:14.800
<v Speaker 2>or shake your baby.

1:56:16.000 --> 1:56:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I know it's hard to like you to be frustrated

1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:22.040
<v Speaker 1>with like screaming children, It is hard, but like physically

1:56:22.680 --> 1:56:26.400
<v Speaker 1>grabbing them or shaking them is never the answer. It's

1:56:26.480 --> 1:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>literally unless you're giving them brain damage, it will not work.

1:56:30.240 --> 1:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Like shaking a kid will only make them Shaking a kid,

1:56:33.040 --> 1:56:35.600
<v Speaker 1>grabbing a kid, like doing anything physical to a kid,

1:56:35.600 --> 1:56:37.160
<v Speaker 1>it's only gonna make them more hysterical.

1:56:37.280 --> 1:56:38.440
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, don't do it.

1:56:38.960 --> 1:56:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1:56:39.400 --> 1:56:40.240
<v Speaker 3>It's really weird.

1:56:40.320 --> 1:56:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Like the encouragement for everyone to have children is so wrong.

1:56:44.400 --> 1:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>It's like you should be like everyone should be like,

1:56:47.040 --> 1:56:50.280
<v Speaker 2>don't have kids unless you go to therapy, work on

1:56:50.360 --> 1:56:53.480
<v Speaker 2>your anger, have patience. I don't know, it's like we

1:56:53.640 --> 1:56:57.440
<v Speaker 2>just let anyone procreate. It's it's wild. Look, I don't

1:56:57.480 --> 1:57:00.280
<v Speaker 2>shake your baby. I've lost my temper with my kids.

1:57:00.320 --> 1:57:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Trust I have, but I just like I never ever think,

1:57:04.040 --> 1:57:06.200
<v Speaker 2>oh if I shake them, it will quiet them down.

1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you gotta just know how to hand,

1:57:10.880 --> 1:57:13.480
<v Speaker 2>research some ways to commonly deal with with parenting stuff.

1:57:13.480 --> 1:57:14.440
<v Speaker 3>But also I.

1:57:14.400 --> 1:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Think you should drop to your knees in public and scream,

1:57:17.440 --> 1:57:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Like that would make more sense to me then.

1:57:19.280 --> 1:57:23.080
<v Speaker 1>But also for this lady in this episode, like if

1:57:23.120 --> 1:57:25.400
<v Speaker 1>you're fucking a guy who can't handle it, if you

1:57:25.440 --> 1:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>go to your daughter's room for five minutes and just

1:57:27.840 --> 1:57:29.880
<v Speaker 1>calm her down and put her back to bed. I

1:57:29.920 --> 1:57:31.800
<v Speaker 1>don't even care. Like, first of all, he's cheating on

1:57:31.840 --> 1:57:33.480
<v Speaker 1>his wife with you. This is not the guy worth

1:57:33.560 --> 1:57:36.600
<v Speaker 1>killing your kid over in this episode, Jesus. But I

1:57:36.640 --> 1:57:38.360
<v Speaker 1>know she just wanted to get laid after she's a

1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:41.080
<v Speaker 1>widow and all that, but come on, come on, lady,

1:57:43.000 --> 1:57:46.520
<v Speaker 1>but she is serving her time. And I think also

1:57:46.800 --> 1:57:49.000
<v Speaker 1>the bottom line is get yourself a lawyer like Rebecca

1:57:49.040 --> 1:57:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Beltis who talks about hypophagiosis or whatever and gets you

1:57:52.600 --> 1:57:57.160
<v Speaker 1>off based on a completely wack a doo untestable theory.

1:57:58.640 --> 1:58:02.080
<v Speaker 3>I know, what an a what an actress? What a role?

1:58:02.480 --> 1:58:05.200
<v Speaker 2>What a what a blessing? And you know, I'm glad

1:58:05.240 --> 1:58:08.520
<v Speaker 2>the baby's an actress. Yeah, not a real baby.

1:58:09.080 --> 1:58:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But speaking of advice and how you can you know,

1:58:12.640 --> 1:58:14.800
<v Speaker 1>work with your kids or whatever, let's get into what

1:58:14.800 --> 1:58:17.200
<v Speaker 1>would Sister Peg do. That's our weekly segment where we

1:58:17.200 --> 1:58:19.960
<v Speaker 1>give you guys a resource, a link, a book, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast episode, something that can help you learn more about

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<v Speaker 1>what we talked about. In today's episode. We wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>direct you guys today to childhelp dot Org that addresses

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms and causes of shaking baby on the article

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<v Speaker 1>that we're posting, as well as advice for stressed out

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<v Speaker 1>parents and caregivers, like if you're constantly feeling stressed.

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<v Speaker 3>With your kids, I totally get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out this article see if you can get some

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<v Speaker 1>advice on like ways to walk away, ways to take

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<v Speaker 1>a break, recenter yourself and not get too upset. Child

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<v Speaker 1>Help is a nonprofit organization dedicated to the prevention and

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<v Speaker 1>treatment of child abuse, and check out their website to

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<v Speaker 1>find preventative measures against some of the causes of shaking

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<v Speaker 1>baby syndrome as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's again childhelp dot Org.

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<v Speaker 1>And that will as always be posted as a story

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<v Speaker 3>What would sister peg dos?

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, that's amazing. I didn't put that together, but

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<v Speaker 2>of course we have. Next week's episode will be Contrapasso

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<v Speaker 2>Season nineteen, episode three. We got some Peacock action, some

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