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Speaker 1: enough for Dallas Cowboys football. He's hanging with the Boys,

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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star

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Speaker 1: in Frisco. Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and

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Speaker 1: Shannon Gross. Whoa man, it has been a long time,

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Speaker 1: so long that I forgot that we moved to Mondays

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Speaker 1: still in the afternoon. Kurt heading on Mexican time. Kurt

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Speaker 1: then I got here and we lost Douglas still in Mexico,

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Speaker 1: Still in Mexico. How you boys been good? Great? Man,

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Speaker 1: we've been been great. You look good? Yeah? You all good? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you look good. Nate, Yeah, man, we've just been We've

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Speaker 1: just been, you know, moving along. And he took a

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Speaker 1: good questions. I heard, I heard Nate came out hot. Well,

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Speaker 1: What we do? Oh? Man? Then we were Yeah, guys

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Speaker 1: of you lined up another guest today, right, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: Championship game. But I don't wave on Tom Brady when

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Speaker 1: you when you you have to go take it from Tom.

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Speaker 1: You have to go beat Tom. And so as much

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Speaker 1: as I'm an NFC man in the NFC East, because

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Speaker 1: I believe in your division, I believe that if your

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Speaker 1: division strong, and if you can go through your division

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Speaker 1: and win any ship, prepare you for the for the

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Speaker 1: super Bowl. So so here we are, you know, and

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Speaker 1: let's see what's happening, man, I mean I will finish

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Speaker 1: this discussion to do your thing, hurt. You want to

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Speaker 1: do the honors? Sure, no doubt. Hey, don't let him

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Speaker 1: get the big head. Now come on to welcome to us.

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Speaker 1: Welcome right now is the great Michael Downs For those

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Speaker 1: fans out there who need a refresher, he was with

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Speaker 1: the team from what eighty one to eighty eight? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and a former teammate of Nick Nick Newton. For briefly, Michael,

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Speaker 1: you're joined here by Nate Newton, who you know well,

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Speaker 1: I assume, and Shannon Gross and our who's our? I'm

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00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: just bombing this great. You're doing a great job. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the show, Michael. Thanks for taking some time with us.

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00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, it's my pleasure. I hadn't talked to lady

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Speaker 1: of two years. And yeah, man, I'm glad to get

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Speaker 1: to talk with you for a minute. What's up, Mike Man,

445
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: because I'm shocked you didn't come there. We had this

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00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: past summer, was it? Dak had the bollet or the

447
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: golf thing? And I saw walls and too tall and

448
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: all of that out there. So where you being? Mike?

449
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: You know, I must have not heard that one right,

450
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: because I usually try to go to those events because

451
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: that's the only time you know, we've we've seen people, yeah,

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00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: get together. So I try to go as much as

453
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Speaker 1: I can. But I think I just missed out on right.

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Speaker 1: What was So? What what are you doing in life

455
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: right now? Man? Before we start pepping you with other questions.

456
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm working with real estate. I'm a real estate broker

457
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: and I've been doing that for probably about eighteen nineteen years.

458
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm about to get out of it because

459
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's it's a tough business, right, Wow,

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00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 1: eighteen nineteen years man, a graduate of Rice. I mean,

461
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: so we use a business major. You was into heavy

462
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Speaker 1: real estate even in college. Now I am a business major,

463
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I've been trying to do it for

464
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: a kid and so, you know, just like everybody else,

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Speaker 1: I mean we we uh we all you know have

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Speaker 1: to do something. I have to Football's right, That's what

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Speaker 1: I've been doing. You're still in the DFW area. He's

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Speaker 1: a high schoolers from South Oak Cliffs, all right. I was.

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Speaker 1: I was born in Parkland Hospital, so I'm not going

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Speaker 1: anywhere and uh, like Nate said, I went to high

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Speaker 1: school here. Uh been here. My whole life really uh

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Speaker 1: went down the rice uh in Houston, Texas, uh for college,

473
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Speaker 1: and I came right back to Dallas as soon as

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Speaker 1: I could. I was. I was surprised. I mean, you

475
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Speaker 1: were part of that rookie class with Everson Walls, right,

476
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, and everything gets all the glory, I guess

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00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: you'd say, because he had eleven interceptions that year. But

478
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Speaker 1: Michael that same season h Finnish seventh in the NFL

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Speaker 1: with seven interceptions. I think you were what second on

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Speaker 1: the team and tackles and and you were an all

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Speaker 1: rookie that year, right, yeah, I was. And uh, don't

482
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Speaker 1: don't forget Dennis Thurman. Dennis had nine interceptions that year

483
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Speaker 1: and had and as a team, I think we had

484
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: thirty some interceptions. Wow, uh cowboys that had thirty interceptions

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Speaker 1: in the last ten years combined. Man. And I tell you,

486
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: when when you told me that you wanted to talk

487
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Speaker 1: about the secondary, I felt a little little shot because

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Speaker 1: before I'm honest, Uh, I don't have nothing good to

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Speaker 1: say about. Well, we're not gonna we we get around

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00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: that hit. But when you when you look at this second,

491
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Speaker 1: without being too critical, what does this secondary need to

492
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Speaker 1: do to become better. Is that our front end need

493
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: to rush better to give them more opportunities? Are Is

494
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Speaker 1: it some some little things that you see that they

495
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: can improve on. Yeah, you did that. That's not the

496
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: number one thing, is uh just getting more pressure on

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Speaker 1: the quarterback? Uh? And but also you know the guys

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00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: out there in the secondary, Uh, they just need to

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Speaker 1: be more aggressive. And I don't know, you know, if

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Speaker 1: they play zone or man and man or whatever, because

501
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: it's really kind of hard to tell from from tv. Uh,

502
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Speaker 1: but I think they need to be more aggressive on

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Speaker 1: their end and uh, you know, and that and that's

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00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of easy to sit up somebody you're saying being

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Speaker 1: more aggressive, like, uh, one, don't one coverage, just get

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Speaker 1: closer to the guy, press up on them a little bit. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying there? Yeah, and you know

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Speaker 1: it's not all about just interceptions, but you know you

509
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: got knocked downs too, and so um, I just I

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00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 1: just I just see, you know, watching the game from television,

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Like I said before, Uh, the guys, you know, the

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Speaker 1: wide receivers touching passes and defensive black is not even

513
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: close to him, you know, and men, even though it's

514
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: the same thing I tell people we don't have. We

515
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Speaker 1: don't make the windows small enough for the court for

516
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Speaker 1: the opposing quarterbacks, you know, because a lot of times

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Speaker 1: you can scare a quarterback off just being in the

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Speaker 1: right presentity, right presentity of whether player at in the angle,

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Speaker 1: at the quarterback look at it, and that I'll make

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Speaker 1: them go away. Sometimes that's what they do to day

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Speaker 1: is a lot of times, you know. But I'm with

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Speaker 1: you one hundred percent, man. So, but is it anything

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Speaker 1: positive that you do see? Do you like the young

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Speaker 1: group of guys. Do you think in time they get aggressive?

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Speaker 1: How would you look at that? You know? The only

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Speaker 1: thing that I I song that I could appreciate was,

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Speaker 1: you know, cornerbacks traditionally don't make tackles, and but uh,

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Speaker 1: those guys, uh were cockling more than I've seen, you know,

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Speaker 1: in a few years from Cowboy second day. So I

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Speaker 1: do get them credit for that and just kind of

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Speaker 1: hope that they can continue to make the tackles but

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Speaker 1: get close to those. Why I achieved was as well, right,

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Speaker 1: our guys had to come in this year as rookies

534
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: and kind of you know, sink or swim. What was

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Speaker 1: that like for you and Everson that first year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: did you ever feel in over your head or was

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00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: it just getting go? You know? And I know Everson

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Speaker 1: will will back me up on this. Um. We came

539
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: in under coaching Landry obviously, and that scheme was was

540
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: very difficult to understand because we you know, we might

541
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Speaker 1: line up in one way and by the time the

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00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: ball snaw, you know, we gotta adjust and and do

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Speaker 1: something else. And uh, I mean that was all the time,

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00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: and and talking about the famous flex exactly. Yeah. And

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00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: and the flex was you know good in this day. Uh,

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Speaker 1: but it was it was difficult. You know. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys that I saw when I were coming

548
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: in that I thought good athletes, but they didn't make

549
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: the team because um, you know, they didn't pick it up. Yeah,

550
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't pick it up. And and and coach Landry

551
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: was a stickler about you know, like if you if

552
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 1: you can't understand this, you can't play that bottom line.

553
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: And so we are when we came in. Uh, you know,

554
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: we just I can speak for myself that it was difficult,

555
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: but somehow I understood it. And uh and as a safety,

556
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: you know, we were responsible for helping on the linebackers

557
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: to make the adjustments, you know, to tell everybody they

558
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: were changed, and we're going over there. We're wanted, you know,

559
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: gonna do this and so um. You know, I'm not

560
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: saying I'm I was smarter than anything anybody else. It

561
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: just once I got it, I got it. You know,

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00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm you men. I want to say it, but I

563
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: knew my second year. But if we wouldn't change offensive

564
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: line coaches, I've never been here, bro really, because the

565
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 1: offense was sent you it was to the point, Mike,

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Speaker 1: I understand totally saying. It was to the point where

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Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman, if a got moved six or

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00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: seven inches one way or the other, it almost changed

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Speaker 1: our whole blocking scheme. If you line up in trips

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00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: three wire receivers the one side, uh, and then you

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00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: motion one of them, guys, our whole secondary would literally

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Speaker 1: start screaming stuff out, not only to themselves, which most

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00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: of them knew it, but to the linebackers. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: you know, then you know that I'm not here. I'm

575
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: not backing you up. I'm over here now. So I

576
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: used to I used to marvel at guys who would survive.

577
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't about where you athletic enough? Gil Brent was

578
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: bringing in athletic guys, but where you from the shoulders up?

579
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: Smart enough to stay here? Right? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we

580
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: had the best athletes. Believe me, we had to go

581
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: get you off a tennis court. They was getting the

582
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Speaker 1: best athletes. Well, Michael, what do you think about everything

583
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Speaker 1: Wall's nomination near for Hall of Fame? I think that's

584
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: been a long time coming. Yeah, I really do. And

585
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, everything has has done something that no better

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00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: about in the league have done. And that's uh with

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00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: the interceptions, Uh, you lead the league and interceptions three

588
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: separate seasons. Uh, I mean that's uh, that's spectacular, right. Yeah.

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00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: You know when I first met Everson Man, you know,

590
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: some people call Arry, but you would never meet the

591
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: more confident guy and his abilities and who he not

592
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: just as ability is on the football, but who he

593
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: is as a man. If you meet him, you're gonna

594
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna meet a guy that feels good about itself

595
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: in his situation, you know. And uh, you know how

596
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: Mike is, um being humble about Walls wouldn't be that helpball,

597
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: you know. And they they I agree with you, and

598
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: and and I was I was just thinking this weekend

599
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: about Everson and I did a memory just popped up

600
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: because and I remembered Everson getting beat UH on pass

601
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: and I can't even remember who who, what team was

602
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, but you know, he came over UH to

603
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: the bench and sat down on the bench and he

604
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: just got beat for a touchdown or something. And all

605
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: he said was man and and you know, and I

606
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: kind of expected him to say something marath and you know,

607
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: blame somebody or they've classed or whatever. All he said

608
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: was man and and And to me that was confidence

609
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: because he couldn't believe that happened to him, right, he

610
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: could not believe it. Man, That man was man, I

611
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: got beat Like man, this dude, really, you know, so, oh,

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00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: I understand totally what you're saying is uh, I look back, man,

613
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: and you guys just with great guys. Man, y'all y'all

614
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: played with great confidence. And and I'm this is what

615
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: was so unique was once again a rookie like myself

616
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Speaker 1: or anybody else, that was the first time with coach

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Speaker 1: Landry in this schemes because Coach Langer was the offensive

618
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Speaker 1: coordinator and the defensive coordinator. Because he was able to

619
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Speaker 1: look at film and come in on Monday and tell

620
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: and we Mike, they don't know. He's sitting in front

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Speaker 1: of each other offensively and defensive, and he coach Landry

622
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: would call you out from the whole team in front

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Speaker 1: of the whole team. You remember that, Mike, Oh yeah,

624
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: you know. It used to be funny. Man. Like Belichick

625
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: does with his team, he would call you had to

626
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: be responsible for your teammates. And they're gonna call that

627
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: right here, Randy. The Sporters took it because it was

628
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: so weird. I listened to the defense. It was so weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, why wouldn't he take a step inside when

630
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: the play going outside? But he had to take that

631
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Speaker 1: step inside because the linebacker was going outside on the

632
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: initial read. Now you had to take your steps first,

633
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: you know what. I ain't think, man, this don't make

634
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: no sense. I see the ball going outside. Hey, Michael,

635
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: do you have a a podcast friendly Nate Newton story

636
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: that you can share with us? There we go, Nah, Gus,

637
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that all these old veterans on the

638
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: team and a young Nate Newton what he think about?

639
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: I was quiet my first year and a half two years.

640
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 1: I was quiet. Basically, that's true, Michael. I couldn't learn nothing,

641
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: that is true. But I I don't I don't know

642
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: if this is a good one or not. Oh yeah,

643
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh the season that Nate came in, and you know,

644
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: we had uh run for these and all that bench

645
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: press and and uh so you know, to be competitive

646
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: and and par uh there was offensive lineman versus offensive lineman,

647
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: and Nate ended up being the fastest um offensive lineman

648
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: on on our team, and and and and you know,

649
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of guys and kind of the wond

650
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: like I ain't got through right, but but we was

651
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: like they ain't gonna give him a chance to start

652
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: or anything. And uh and that was kind of like

653
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: the the joke you know that that that season. But

654
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: we were impressed with me just because athletically, you know,

655
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: I offensive line was around two seventy two sixty yeah,

656
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: two sixty three hundred, the fastest fastest guy, fastest offensive

657
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: lineman on the team, and athletic, I mean, just had

658
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: it all. We saw Mike. Excuse me, so, Mike, but

659
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: see that what I was saying. It took a couple

660
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: of years for you to learn this system and That's

661
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: why I said athletic didn't have nothing to do it

662
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: with it when you first came into coach Landry. Since

663
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: that's why when I saw Downs, I saw Walls, I

664
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: saw Dennis. All these guys were smart, smart players. You know,

665
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: they knew the system. They knew how to uh fornago

666
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: within the system because they didn't always play exactly how

667
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: coach Nanager wanted it, but they had to be smart

668
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, well this is what I saw, and

669
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: this is what I told a guy, you know, and

670
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 1: the offense was basically the same. Guys will sit up

671
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: like they're gonna cut him. He don't know the system,

672
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: they're gonna cut him. You know. Well, I'm glad you

673
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 1: verified because Nate's been telling us from zero to forty

674
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: yards he can beat anybody from zero to ten yards. Bad.

675
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: I extended about forty forty yards like I could be

676
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: sucked up. So, Mike, do you do you do you

677
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: keep in touch with the guys of your when you

678
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: came in like Dennis, and I know you talked to everything,

679
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: but do you keep up with you guys? Yeah, you know,

680
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of difficult to keep in touch. But

681
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: like I we were talking about earlier about golf. That's

682
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: where I see, you know, most of the guys that

683
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: I played with, and you know Dave Donley, you know,

684
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: he he can play golf every day if they let him.

685
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: And so, uh, you know, I get to see him

686
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: and of course every son and uh you know ta yeah,

687
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: I see two tall uh a lot um And I

688
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 1: can't think of you getting old. Yeah you say that

689
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: as a joke, but yeah, hey, Michael, how is in

690
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: your eyes? How is the game changed from when you

691
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: first came into the league to what it is now?

692
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's it's more because of cool more,

693
00:45:56,080 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: you know, because all the rules and regulations that have changed.

694
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: And like um, and I can't remember what they called it,

695
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: but when you make a tackle from on the guy

696
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: from behind and you pulled horse collar pars collar, Yeah,

697
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: we we did that every week, you know, so we

698
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 1: things like that, uh, you know, And and I'm kind

699
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: of glad they changed it because you can't hurt somebody,

700
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, tackling that way. But it's just more physical.

701
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: And I and when I looked back in the seventies,

702
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, with Roger start Back and mail Renflow and

703
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: those guys. Uh, it was the same thing. It was.

704
00:46:53,600 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: It was more physical, uh than it is now. So

705
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 1: that's that's that's it is. Uh. Do you there were

706
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: so many interceptions within your era and you had more

707
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: than than than most any one of your era as

708
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: a group. Do you think there are so few now

709
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: because the NFL is so risk averse on offense or

710
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: are people just not talented in that regard the cornerbacks? Yeah,

711
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: I would. I would say it's a little bit of both.

712
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: Um and not that we were that athletes per se,

713
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: but um, we when we thought about we we wanted

714
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: to accept it. We didn't we didn't want to knock

715
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: it down or or whatever, and so you know, my

716
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: mindset was was just different. You know. Uh. We would

717
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: talk before the game about trying to make the interceptions

718
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: and I don't you know, I don't know if they

719
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: do that now because I haven't been around the guys,

720
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: but I mean that was on our mind and so

721
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: I think along with having a good defensive line, but

722
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: our mindset as well created an atmosphere for you worth

723
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: getting more interceptions than anything else. You know, Like we

724
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, with everything in one year, everything getting

725
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: the leveling and then it's getting nine and I get seven.

726
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: You don't you don't see that no more. Now there's

727
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: a generation of cowboy fans that can't even imagine that

728
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: kind of productivity coming from the cornerbacks. M Yeah, and

729
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: so I I think a lot of it has to

730
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: do with, you know, the way you think. You know,

731
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: if you if you if you just trying to survive, yeah,

732
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: and make a tackle or knock it down, then that's

733
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: probably what you're gonna do. Uh. But you know, we

734
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: and and and I think everything and I kind of

735
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: started up and off. Our first game in eighty one

736
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: was against the red Skins and and in DC, and

737
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: uh I made the first interception. I made an interception

738
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: and uh um, I think within two minutes, you know

739
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:00,280
Speaker 1: that they were on the field. Uh And and Everson

740
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: wasn't starting at that time, but Everson made two interceptions.

741
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: You know, he was he was a nickel owner and

742
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: he had two interceptions. So we and we won the game,

743
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: of course, but um, just the first game of the year.

744
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: We got a couple of rookies, well actually we had

745
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: Lyon Feller's was a rookie as well. And and we

746
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: I think we ended up with three interceptions. Maybe it

747
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: was four, but that kind of set us the pace too,

748
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: you know what was gonna go on because that's you know,

749
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: we felt good. Yeah, so that was that was fun,

750
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, and it actually started that first game of

751
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: the year and it went on, you know, for the

752
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 1: whole um season for your career too. Well, Michael, we

753
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out with us for a few minutes.

754
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: This was really cool to have you on. And uh,

755
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: we'll hopefully talk to you soon. Kurse got your numbers,

756
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: so maybe we can get you on in the future things. Mike.

757
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 1: Good to hear your voice. I was glad. I would

758
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: be glad to do that. And they always good to

759
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: hear from you, man. So let's let's try to hook

760
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: up something, all right. Maybe we can get you in

761
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: here in the studio so you can actually hang out

762
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: with Nate a little bit. Yeah, I'll do that. It's

763
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: one's going to go to Mexico. Man. Well, I thank you, Mike,

764
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 1: all right, all right, take care. Let's take a quick break.

765
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: And we got about seven or eight minutes left and

766
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: I want to get you know what, don't just go

767
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: ahead and finish the show. Okay, I want to get

768
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: back into what Nate was saying while ago, because I

769
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: agree with Nate. What's that the Tom Brady argument? Everybody's

770
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: sick and tired of Tom Brady winning. And I'm sitting

771
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: you know what, do something about it. We were witnessing

772
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: greatness like I actually used to. I used to be

773
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: the same way. And then I realized how good this

774
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: cat is. Like at halftime, we were watching the game

775
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 1: at the sports bar on the property there in Mexico. Halftime,

776
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: I was like, they've been outplayed the whole game. They

777
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: can't move the balls, like the y'all realize they're winning

778
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: the game. The Patriots are gonna win this game. Like

779
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: there was no doubt in my mind. That's how good

780
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: he is. And let me tell you how funny this is.

781
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: And and this is when I really really noticed it.

782
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: The Seattle Seahawks. You could have ran the ball in

783
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: one yard. You want to be super smart, get an interception,

784
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 1: lose the Super Bowl. You are Atlanta winning the game.

785
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: Oh he had to was run the ball, which you

786
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: want to be. Oh, we're gonna see to who we are.

787
00:52:56,040 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna pass the ball. Guess what The Patriots Okay,

788
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: you want to do it like that, Thank you. We

789
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: just go want to mention and stop your passing game

790
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: or not that you get an end zone. Guess what

791
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: they lose the game? Now you got a run game.

792
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: That's awesome. You've been mixing it up. The young quarterback

793
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Bortles have been playing lights out. Guess what you're doing.

794
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: First down? You run the ball getting no yards. They're like,

795
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: oh they dummies run the ball again getting no ya.

796
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: Don't you think you should pass on first down? Just

797
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: up one time, try to get seven yards to the

798
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: one and too. So guess what Jacksonville lose. Now, let's

799
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: see what flets the cocks and the balls gonna do.

800
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: Y Nick flos and the balls just flets the cocky.

801
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: They're not giving the Eagles a much chance. It seems like, oh,

802
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: what's the spread? I don't even look. I'm not sure.

803
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 1: I haven't looked at it all. Look it up. I

804
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: think if the Eagles get on top, they can do

805
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: it differently. I think if the Eagles get on top,

806
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: they can do it differently than than most teams because

807
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: they are defensive minded team, but they also can run

808
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: the ball with you with a gi and the big

809
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: guy that they got from New England. I can't think

810
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: of his name, but Lunt So I think they can

811
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: run the ball equals well. And then Clement's got number thirty.

812
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: Heal a nice guy. All my man gotta do is

813
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: not panic. Nick Foles, just don't panic like uh my

814
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: boy to fight him's case. Kingdom finally showed up the truth.

815
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: It took him sixteen took away eighteen games, and the

816
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: true case Kingdom finally show And I'll tell you what, man,

817
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: I bet Carson Wentz is just sick because you know

818
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: how hard it is to get to him. He got

819
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: that team to a super Bowl. He knew he hadn't

820
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 1: played the last what three games, and him to sit

821
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: there and watch and just know like this, this could

822
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 1: have been my shot. It might have been his only chance.

823
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: So but I with you, Nate, like I just I'm

824
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: just appreciate. I appreciate what you see. I appreciate, you know,

825
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: like even the Golden State Warriors, you know, Kevin and

826
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:03,800
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett. He he's so loed. He well where he

827
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: was once setting out for him. So I'll tell you what, man,

828
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna leave the Thunder. You gonna

829
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: play for Detroit, I'm gonna show everybody who I am.

830
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 1: That's stupid. Why not go to the Warriors. You can

831
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: get what I'm saying. And so my greatness thing is

832
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: simple to this right here. Birthhead, Rex Birthhead, He's like

833
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: He called New England. Hey, man, coach, I know you

834
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: know how to use me. He called Belisha, I know

835
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: you know how to use me. Let me come play

836
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 1: for y'all. Why would Rex Birkhead League one play? Said, man,

837
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: let me go to Cleveland. Let me show everybody who

838
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: I am. Yea. The people that criticize those people or

839
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: the same people that would do it exactly like they're Oh, man,

840
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: I would never do that. You don't want to win

841
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: a super Bowl? People hope that the day of I'm

842
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: gonna build this team is over that went out? Would

843
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Speaker 1: call free agency made that obsolete. When you give a

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Speaker 1: guy a chance to say, I'm gonna make twenty five

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Speaker 1: million dollars a year next to a guy that's gonna

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Speaker 1: help me win a Super Bowl or NBA Championship or

847
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: Baseball World Series versus nah, I'm gonna take twenty five

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Speaker 1: meal and just go over him and be a statistical

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Speaker 1: genius and lose the rest of my career. Come on, man,

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Speaker 1: it happens though a lot of guys look at the money. Yeah,

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00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: they go for the money. They used the budding. I

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00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: mean that first contract after my rookie one. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: get the money and then I'm gonna go play. Gotta

854
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Speaker 1: go even you gotta play. And it depends on how

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Speaker 1: much money we're talking about, like if if it's if

856
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Speaker 1: it's brother. Basketball is different. You don't have to even

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Speaker 1: have this debate. Football, you have to have a fate

858
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Speaker 1: depending on who's got what up under the cap. You

859
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: don't have to have a debate. In basketball. People can

860
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,439
Speaker 1: know that your contract coming up and they're gonna dump

861
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: for you know, they started playing in a couple of years.

862
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: The Warrior's right. Okay, they saw two years ago that

863
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Speaker 1: Durant was coming up, so they the great Uh Jerry West, Hey,

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Speaker 1: look man, we need for you to do like you

865
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: did when you win and got shocked. We need for

866
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Speaker 1: you to do that when you win and got this

867
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Speaker 1: guy Paul Kasaul. He did this ain't something Jerry West

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Speaker 1: just started doing. He knows how to go talk to

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Speaker 1: a dude and they're like, Hey, we need for you

870
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Speaker 1: to go get Durant. And so they all the madly

871
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: knew the guys they was getting in trading for they

872
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: already making. And even if they knew, if they would

873
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: have failed and not got the rant, the t would

874
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 1: have still been good enough to be challenging for NBA Championship.

875
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: They just wanted to seal the faith of the rest

876
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: of the league, you know, not me. And I get

877
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: an arguments with guys about this because Lebron is fighting

878
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: a battle by himself. Because I tell people saying, y'all

879
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: keep looking at the NFC of the East Finals. Lebron

880
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: ain't looking at the East. He looking at how can

881
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 1: I be the Warriors? And so most fans you ought

882
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:10,919
Speaker 1: to be satisfied. No losers are satisfied. Winners want to win.

883
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: The Cowboys should be looking how to beat the Patriots,

884
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: on how to beat the but it steps. It's always steps.

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00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: That's why Lebron left Cleveland. He knew he couldn't make

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00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: that happen in Cleveland, so he left and went to

887
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: Miami and learned from one of the great guys that

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00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: what's the gym for the I can't think of the

889
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: gym for that. Pat Rollins one of the best that

890
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: building the team and nothing. And he showed his cat

891
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: how to build a team. Then he took off. He

892
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: went back to Cleveland and put him a team in place.

893
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: But he know like, oh man, I can't beat I

894
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: can't beat Durant. I had it, I had it. I

895
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: figured out how to get Lotok Curry, how to how

896
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: to play him, But you can't figure out how to

897
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: play U Kevin Durant. He needed another. That's why he

898
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: wanted Paul George because he needed somebody that could stand up,

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Speaker 1: play defense and pressure. I'm on the other end when

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00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: it's time for him to play defense. So when you're

901
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: building a team and you and you in the right league,

902
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: the NBA is the right league. If you're trying to

903
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: build a quick fit, instant team, the NBA is the

904
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: right league. But you still got some preparation. It's four

905
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Speaker 1: and a half Patriots. That's it. It's dropped a little bit.

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Speaker 1: It was I think it opened like a five or six,

907
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: and how it's four and a half? Who you got? Patriots?

908
00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: Tired of him? Think's gonna win? N I ain't going

909
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: against Tom Brady, ain't going against the people that you

910
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 1: can get any excuse you want until you take it,

911
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: and even next year, you gotta take it twice. For

912
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: me to be the man, you gotta beat the man twice. Yeah,

913
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: you got used the man who you got, Douglas. Like

914
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 1: the brothers said in the street, you could be bad.

915
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: You can talk that over the police, y'all. You want

916
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: to the pool, ye over? That's right? Yeah, that used

917
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: the man who you got. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna

918
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Speaker 1: take that wisdom from Nate and apply it to my life.

919
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: But I will go with the Patriots all four unanimous.

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01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 1: And that's why that's why the Eagles get has got

921
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: a chance, right, that's all. They played the game right now.

922
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Speaker 1: I don't believe me. If if that Monday, if they win,

923
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Speaker 1: if the Eagles win, I'm gonna be excited because the

924
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Speaker 1: NFC East one. So I'm kind of like that. If

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Speaker 1: I love my division, I hate my division, but I

926
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: love my division. I hate the Eagles. Can't stand in

927
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: New York Giants, I do something bad to the Red skin.

928
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: But if we win a Super Bowl, I'm down with

929
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: the East. There you go, Well, I missed you guys.

930
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Speaker 1: Glad you're back. Good news is I'll be back next Monday. Good.

931
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Speaker 1: I think you can get us another guest. See what

932
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: we can do. You only seem to be able to

933
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Speaker 1: do that whenever I'm not here. Doesn't have to be

934
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Speaker 1: next week. But he's got to get James Washington. That

935
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: guy's name has come up so much and we know

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Speaker 1: he's a good guest. Who's drive by Jane Washes found

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Speaker 1: another dude in the Senior Bowl. Well, Kurt, thanks, Well, no,

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Speaker 1: Douglas gotta find us somebody. Everybody that got somebody except

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Speaker 1: Douglas really really challenge. That's what she said. I pull

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Speaker 1: them out the closet, pull them out. Whoa that kind

941
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Speaker 1: of show? Now, Douglas Douglas, thanks for pushing the buttons

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Speaker 1: with a guess. Thanks for right, Thanks for bringing it

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Speaker 1: as usual. Kent, thanks for pushing the buttons. We will

944
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: It's eleven o'clock on Mondays, even o'clock. Try to be

945
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Speaker 1: on top. I will be here on fooling around with

946
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Speaker 1: some young ladies. That been No. I will do the work.

947
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Speaker 1: So we will see you guys. That's X meet yeah

948
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Speaker 1: next Monday. Hang you with the boys. This has been

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Speaker 1: a production of Dallas Cowboys dot com and the Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Football Club