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Speaker 2: Me, I'm a man, I'm for I've heard so many

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Speaker 1: Ato Steak is that woo whoo? And them and tie.

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Speaker 3: Dan Robinstein, it is time to embark on a wonderful

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Speaker 3: journey through the ACC. The aforementioned All Costco Conference. Costco

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Speaker 3: not a sponsor, still could be Dan, how are you today?

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Speaker 1: You excited? I'm great.

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Speaker 2: I don't think Costco needs us, right, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Costco needs our audience as beautiful and vast and wonderful

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Speaker 2: and international and uh pretty big at this point, which

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Speaker 2: where uh maybe we should start paying Costco uh to

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Ty.

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Speaker 2: I think the All Costco Conference as a defining term

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Speaker 2: but this is it's not that they added clear quality,

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Speaker 3: You know, we've joked for years about the quote unquote

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Speaker 3: We've also got two more episodes on the ACC coming up.

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Speaker 3: So the way that we have structured our previews this

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Speaker 3: Hopefully not, hopefully not, hopefully not. That is the plan

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Speaker 1: Dan, Yeah, shall we dive in.

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Speaker 2: Let's welcome to the danger zone the ACC.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, there's there's also something interesting when you mentioned

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Speaker 2: because that that feels very much on the books.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's I think a cautionary tale speaking of

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Speaker 3: And so what happened, Well, yeah, numbers on offense got better,

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Speaker 1: Something could go belly up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it makes a conference super interesting for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And the look all of these teams. We can list

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Speaker 2: this conference might not exist anywhere near what it looks

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Speaker 3: A little bit too familiar with each other's beats at

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Speaker 1: Yes, you knew I was going there next.

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Speaker 3: Now they all have access to the actual documentation what

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Speaker 3: some private investment. We've talked about that before, and perhaps

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Speaker 2: I have enjoyed by the way that like with regard

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Speaker 2: That on sort of the the reverberations of this all that,

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Speaker 2: very happy with where things stand right now. We are

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll add give us all of the teams, come

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Speaker 3: When I think of Brett your Mark, I think of

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Speaker 3: Who wants to launch the missile at San Francisco?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, itchy trigger finger. Yeah, he's like that. He's like

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Speaker 1: Excuse me.

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Speaker 3: He's the crazy guy in the fight. And you don't

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Speaker 3: the whole thing up. No, no, and how or if

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Speaker 1: You'd have to be a fool not to.

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Speaker 2: Carolina and Virginia. Yeah, a bunch of Miami, a lot

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Speaker 3: I think you have to be thinking about it bigger picture,

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Speaker 3: They know that the ACC is on thin ice right now.

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Speaker 3: Florida State and Clemson seem to be the most vociferous

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Speaker 3: like Carolina, thank you, thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so There's just a a.

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Speaker 3: Lot going on, Dan, A lot is on right now,

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Speaker 3: and it stands to reason, as you said, that this

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Speaker 1: I don't know at some point in the very near future.

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Speaker 3: But the good news for us as we're doing this

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Speaker 3: episode is that it does exist, and I'm excited as

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Speaker 2: Do we want to talk tears, Dan, let's talk tears.

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Speaker 2: You did, thank you best, right.

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Speaker 3: You did the bottom half of the conference alphabetically, because

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Speaker 3: alphabetically we have to break.

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Speaker 1: It up by divisions anymore. We just broke it.

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Speaker 2: By NC State through WAKE, and then you have BC

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Speaker 2: through Miami.

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Speaker 1: NC State through Wake, BC through Miami.

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Speaker 3: Correct who are your true contenders in that group, in

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Speaker 2: In the whole group, My contenders right now are Florida State, Clemson, Miami,

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Speaker 3: I can't keep going, keep going. We're going to disagree

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Speaker 2: Okay, but in turns like I think Miami's upside. I'm

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Speaker 2: Cam Ward obviously has the ability to win games. The

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Speaker 1: I think contend, can well yeah, intend? Yes, my Miami

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Speaker 1: is gonna win the conference. You do you think Miami

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Speaker 3: not just because we picked them for the online Dynasty.

440
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Speaker 1: No no, no, that's cool. No, I mean I think

441
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:09,919
Speaker 1: they can't.

442
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 2: Like, there's obviously reasons why you shouldn't feel confident in Miami.

443
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: That they lose games in dumb ways against what looks

444
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: to be inferior teams. They've had offensive struggles, they've had

445
00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: waning attention over the course of you know, not just

446
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: Mario Cristoball, but many dias Miami era teams have had that,

447
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,400
Speaker 2: so like there are reasons to say, like if Miami

448
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 2: were an ACC contender, they would have won the AEC

449
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,880
Speaker 2: at some point. So Florida State is obvious. Why Clemson,

450
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 2: I think because the defense and their coaching track record,

451
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 2: you still have to consider them. You know, they've won

452
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: a lot of ACC games, even as they've been a

453
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Speaker 2: down team.

454
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Speaker 1: These pass m yeah.

455
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: Quote unquote for their own standards, by their own you know,

456
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: trying to measure up against their own bar. They've been

457
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 2: down because they've been in national championship caliber program in

458
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 2: the last decade. NC State I'm going to consider in

459
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,880
Speaker 2: that spot because of what they return and when you're

460
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: perennially in that like nine ish win zone, I have

461
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 2: to tip my cap to having a special season, the

462
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: opportunity to have a special season if you're adding quarterback

463
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: with upside. So I feel good about that. And what

464
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,639
Speaker 2: NC State has done against the quote unquote power contenders

465
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 2: in this conference in the last two three years, they're

466
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: like they have the ability to win those games and

467
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: it's just not dumping off a random eight you know,

468
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 2: a Week eight game or something. So I think those

469
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Speaker 2: are the contenders I have down here, Florida State, Clemson, Miami,

470
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Speaker 2: NC State. Is that what I said at the top, Yeah,

471
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: I have the same four. I have the same four.

472
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Speaker 2: And this is where we start getting into the whole

473
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Speaker 2: emerging storylines slash a discussion portion of this episode, which

474
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Speaker 2: is really the reason we structured it this way.

475
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Speaker 1: Do you have like a one B or like a

476
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Speaker 1: peekin team er teams?

477
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Speaker 3: I do? I do, But I want to talk a

478
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Speaker 3: little bit more about about these four schools just for

479
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Speaker 3: a minute.

480
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Speaker 1: Okay.

481
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: The biggest question going into this ACC season is how

482
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 3: big a step back we're going to see out of

483
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 3: Florida State. That's the biggest question on my mind as

484
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 3: I went through all of these teams. It was how

485
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: big of a step back is Florida State taking? And

486
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: relative to Florida State, are these other teams improving or not?

487
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: I think Miami definitely got better. My question for Miami

488
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 3: is if Mario Cristobal can win in spite of himself.

489
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Speaker 3: To your point from earlier.

490
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Clemson.

491
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Speaker 3: Clemson got a lot of flak for its stance on

492
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 3: the transfer portal. I will wax poetic about that when

493
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Speaker 3: we get into my Clemson preview. But there is a

494
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: case to be made that Dabo didn't need to. They

495
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 3: didn't need to, that he could have gotten better quicker

496
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 3: using the portal, but that in reality, with what they

497
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,120
Speaker 3: did on the recruiting trail, especially what they added out wide,

498
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: he didn't really need to and Clemson I think will

499
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: be better because of it.

500
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, My perspective, The.

501
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 3: NC State question to me is more of like a

502
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 3: theoretical than anything specific. I mean, I like Grace and

503
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 3: McCall will be interesting to see how he does stepping

504
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,199
Speaker 3: up to a power league play better teams throughout the

505
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 3: course of a year. They've obviously added some of the

506
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 3: names that we mentioned earlier, but it is a question

507
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 3: of is the hype real and how does Dave Dorin

508
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: deal with that, right, because, as you said, they've constantly

509
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 3: been in that conversation, and I do wonder now where

510
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 3: they've added serious talent, where it seems like there's like

511
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: a lot of momentum around this program, if that will

512
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 3: mean different results. The reality is it doesn't always mean

513
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 3: different results.

514
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Speaker 1: Dan No.

515
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Speaker 2: A lot of the times, if a coach is impressively

516
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: winning nine games every year, that kind of says that

517
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 2: he's a nine game winner, right.

518
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 3: And that's the biggest misnomer I think when it comes

519
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 3: to previous season and you see it in all the

520
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 3: publications that you read. And I don't fault any of

521
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 3: these guys who put these together. They all do a

522
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: fabulous job. I've got three of them here in front

523
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 3: of me. But there seems to be this assumption that

524
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 3: just because a good coach has won, let's just use

525
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: a nine game example, perennial eight or nine game winner.

526
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 3: Now you add more talent to that coach's arsenal.

527
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: Coming into this new season, there.

528
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: Seems to be an assumption by many that that means

529
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 3: this coach will take another jump forward.

530
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Speaker 1: Doesn't always mean that.

531
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Speaker 3: More often than not, it doesn't, and that leads to

532
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: incredible frustration among many fan bases year in and year out.

533
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: We see it every single year, and so my question is,

534
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: is Dave Dorin gonna be able to take that next

535
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: step with this team. I think he's got enough talent

536
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 3: to do so. I know he's got the schedule to

537
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 3: do so. There's a lot working to NC State's favor.

538
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of can he when the rubber

539
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 3: meets the road. My favorite catch phrase, can he actually

540
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: translate that talent into more wins on the schedule, And

541
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: I'm not so.

542
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: Sure of that.

543
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: I still have them in that lead pack here, I

544
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: still have them in my top four true contenders for

545
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: the ACC. They're the one I'm shakiest on for sure. Yeah,

546
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: we look at what has ailed NC State even recently,

547
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: like hold Louisville, who ends up in the a SEC

548
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,239
Speaker 3: championship game last year to thirteen points in a losing effort, Like,

549
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: it's just unacceptable if you have designs of winning this

550
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 3: or competing at like eleven and one or something ten

551
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 3: and two to win the conference, like losing twenty four

552
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,200
Speaker 3: to three to Duke, an injured duke at the time

553
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: they played, It's unacceptable to expect that type of team.

554
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: And this is a duke team that was not far

555
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 3: off last year with a healthy Riley Leonard. But it's

556
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 3: unfair to heap too many expectations in terms of contention

557
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 3: on NC State. But because of their recent successes and

558
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: dramatically outnumbering their failures, I think it's appropriate. And the

559
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: other element of this too is like the reason we

560
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: don't I think the reason we have such an open

561
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 3: top of the conference is we are qualifying a lot

562
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: of or quantifying whatever a lot of these quarterbacks is

563
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: being good with upside. I'm not sure there's an excellent

564
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 3: quarterback in the conference. As a matter of fact, I

565
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 3: would say there is full on not an excellent quarterback

566
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 3: in this conference today. Like I think there are you know,

567
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 3: reasonable criticisms of dju and of cam Ward and of

568
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: Kate Klubnick, and of Kyen Drones and Max Johnson and

569
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: Kyle McCord, Like I think they're deep at the top

570
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: of like interesting upside guys. But I don't look at

571
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: any of these guys it's like this guy is so

572
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: good that they'll be able to weather like an awful

573
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 3: Week six or something like that, because he is just

574
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 3: going to carry this team. Whereas the talent of some

575
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: previous guys in this conference, whether it's Jordan Travis, whether

576
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 3: it's Drake May whoever, you know, going back to Trevor Lawrence, whatever,

577
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: of quarterbacks in this conference, like, I don't think there's

578
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: an apparent guy like that who stands alone or stands

579
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: with another quarterback as you know, capital E elite or

580
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: whatever not at this moment, I think the best pure

581
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: passer might be Preston Stone from SMU. I think that's

582
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: where we're at. I like Preston Stone a lot. There

583
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: are plenty of other intriguing names in here. Cam Ward interesting,

584
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 3: duel threat guy, Haines King duel threat. Yeah. Grayson McCall

585
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: can do a lot. We've seen him thrive in various systems.

586
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: You look at a guy like a Thomas Castillanos from BC.

587
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: Baker Kid took over two series into literally two series

588
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: into BC's season last year. From EMMITTT. Moorehead who we

589
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 3: liked before. We like Thomas Castianos. He's another name that's

590
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 3: really interesting.

591
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: Haines King.

592
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: We love Haynes King on this show. We'll talk more

593
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: about Haines King for sure. There are plenty of names

594
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 3: here that I think are very interesting, but I think

595
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: your points the right one. There is a lot of uncertainty.

596
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: Even though we feel pretty good about the lead pack

597
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 3: of quarterbacks, we just we don't know to which heights

598
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: they will ultimately make it black.

599
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even some of the best quarterbacks in this conference,

600
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: because there is something weird again about quality and bulk

601
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: the All Costco Conference that like, even when Jordan Travis

602
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: was healthy last year, even when Florida State was running

603
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: the table in the ACC, they were eking by Boston College.

604
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 2: They were either down or tied or something heading into

605
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter against Duke. This was a very very good,

606
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: if not very strong Florida State team last year, but

607
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: they weren't consistently separating themselves in the way that like

608
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: an excellent team should. And I don't put that on

609
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: Jordan Travis per se, but like, I wasn't crazy confident

610
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: in this offense all of the time to be so

611
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: good that they were holding their own with an excellent defense,

612
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: so of their own that is. So that to me

613
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: is interesting with this conference that even the excellent recent

614
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: teams have struggled in their own ways because week to week,

615
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 2: there's just somebody does that one excellent thing, right if

616
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: it's Thomas Cassiano's you know, scrambling, or if it's Virginia

617
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: Tech's past defense, Like there is that that element that

618
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: somebody's just gonna bite you via this one specific strength

619
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: that's the ACC.

620
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,719
Speaker 3: So is that like the beauty isle of Costco that

621
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 3: we just described, is that what that is?

622
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Speaker 1: The contenders? Yeah, I don't know.

623
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: I think the most popular, well loved part of the

624
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: store is probably the it's not a food court, but

625
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 2: like they have like the dollar fifty hot dog and soda.

626
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: They've got the giant slices of pizza. Like that has

627
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: the biggest approval rating. Okay, that's I don't know if

628
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: it's the.

629
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: Food court, food court, we'll say that's the food court.

630
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Florida State, those are the teams that are gonna

631
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: eat the most. Florida State, Miami, Clemson, NC State. Yeah,

632
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 3: is the fearsome forcem at the top. Now you mentioned

633
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 3: the Lurkers. I've I've broadened that a little bit and

634
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: I titled it the Lurking Tier.

635
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: And also how did they get this schedule tier?

636
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 3: Okay, which I think is true for three teams. Yeah,

637
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 3: three teams in particular Louisville Virginia Tech. And I'm really

638
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: high on SMU. That's the team we disagree on. I'm

639
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: so high on SMU. I almost can't stand how high

640
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: I am on SMU.

641
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: This year, what they were right there with Boston College

642
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: in the bowl game, right a down trod in Boston College,

643
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 2: who lost their coach to become a defensive coordinator in

644
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: the NFL. They lost by what nine backup quarterback.

645
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I believe the Wasabi Fenway Bowl to U Commoners, so.

646
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: They got that chance to contend with an ACC team

647
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: and couldn't quite cut it with Boston College.

648
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: Continue. We'll save the SMU disagreement for a second.

649
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: Lost by seventeen to a disappointing TCU last year.

650
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: Continue.

651
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 3: Louisville is in a really interesting spot this year. Year

652
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: one under Jeff Brahm was a raging success ten and

653
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: four last season. This year though a bit of a

654
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 3: talent drain, retooling offense as a result. I think the

655
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: defense will lead this team, and we'll talk more about

656
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 3: that on a future episode. The question, though, is on offense,

657
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 3: and in particular Tyler Shuck. They are building this offense

658
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: now around Tyler Shuck. It is his seventh year in

659
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 3: college football.

660
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: You only get to play seven years.

661
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 3: If you're hurt a lot, and he's been hurt a lot.

662
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: He was rehabbing from a season ending injury a year ago.

663
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Now he has landed with Louisville after what we saw

664
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 3: with brom last year with Jack Plumber and how he

665
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 3: in a sense rehabbed his career. I think we have

666
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: a fair amount of confidence that Jeff Brom knows what

667
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 3: he's doing now to coach quarterbacks, knows how to coach offense,

668
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: but what he can't coach his health. And I worry

669
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: about Louisville. I think that the schedule is there for them.

670
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: I'm not certain about the offense. I think the defense

671
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: will be really solid, one of the best in the conference.

672
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: But the question, to me, the big open question, is

673
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: what happens if Tyler Shuck goes down again. I kind

674
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 3: of feel like if Tyler Shuck goes down, the whole

675
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 3: thing goes down. And so that's why I'm teetering on Louisville.

676
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: I like the program. I like the momentum that Jeff

677
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: Brom established in just one year. I don't like Tyler

678
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: Shuck as the guy around which the offense will revolve

679
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: because I just think there's so much that can go

680
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 3: wrong there, if only because of his health. If you

681
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: get high level Tyler Shuck, that would be a boon

682
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 3: for sure. How often have we seen that and for

683
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: how long have we seen that? That's the issue for

684
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 3: me with Louisville this year.

685
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: So I think you're right, and just big picture of

686
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: Louisville is Louisville's success last year was large part thanks

687
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 2: to a good defense and a strong rushing attack. So

688
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 2: are you adding pop on offense, firepower on offense?

689
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: Probably? Yeah, those receivers should be a year better.

690
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 2: You know they recruited in the portal. Really well, this

691
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: isn't a lot specific preview, but like this is now

692
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 2: you're two of Jeff Brom. You got players from all

693
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: over coming in and the way they ended the season

694
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: was disappointing last year. Like I think they're You're you're

695
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 2: right to what did you call them, lurkers, peakers something

696
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: like that. I have Louisville in that category of Virginia Tech.

697
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: I even feel a little bit better about Virginia Tech

698
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 2: in that category. I don't know if you put SMU

699
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: there as well. I know you are, you're high on

700
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 2: Preston Stone, but I just sort of what you've seen

701
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 2: is what you've gotten out of Jeff Brom teams and

702
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: Tyler Shock, Tyler Shock, Tyler Shock, and I'm okay with

703
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 2: them there, but for some reason, I just am not

704
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: fully sold there.

705
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Uh, Virginia Tech. Let's go to Virginia Tech. Now.

706
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: We have been preaching at the altar of the Hokies

707
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 3: for a good six months now. I feel like everybody

708
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 3: else was laid on the punch with respect to the

709
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech schedule. We've been talking it up literally since February. Okay,

710
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: it is very, very favorable for the Hokies this year.

711
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: And my question for you, and I know we'll talk

712
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: more about this and keep kind of previewing upcoming episodes here,

713
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: that's not my intention, but yes, my question of Virginia Tech,

714
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: just from Afar, is do we like Virginia Tech more

715
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: because of their team or because of their schedule? And

716
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 3: I know the two work hand in hand, but I

717
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: keep trying to check myself and be realistic about this team,

718
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 3: and I'm having this thought that maybe I just like

719
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 3: them more because of the schedule. Clearly there's momentum they

720
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 3: have improved. I don't mean to say otherwise, but I

721
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 3: am fearful that I am liking them more because of

722
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: the schedule.

723
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I hear you on that. I mean, by

724
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: the way their schedule they have what Marshall and Rutgers

725
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: early on. They lost those games last year, So we

726
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: can pump the brakes a little bit on the schedule

727
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: those are both road games last year, but they did

728
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: lose those two matchups. And I just wonder with Virginia

729
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: Tech as it relates to like their contention status is,

730
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 2: did they just improve to like pretty good last year

731
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: and are we overreacting to improvement as ready to contend.

732
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Part of me thinks that, like we should see, like

733
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 2: what the fifth best performance from Virginia Tech looks like

734
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: this year before we go all in on their ready

735
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: to compete, which we're not putting Virginia Tech in that

736
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: top tier. So I think we're on the same page

737
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: here that like they've got more to prove, Kyrien Jones

738
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: has more to prove as a passer, and with what

739
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: they return, there's every reason in the world to believe

740
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 2: that with this schedule as we perceive it in you know,

741
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: mid July, that they should be able to win more clunkers,

742
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: you know, win losable games. But like they just lost

743
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: to full on below average teams last year to start

744
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: the year. They weren't ready to compete at the start

745
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 2: of last year. They improved over the course of the season.

746
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm not ready to jump into the

747
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech waters quite yet.

748
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, A lot back and did establish momentum as year

749
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: war on. We're both pretty high on Kiren drones. I'm interesting.

750
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 3: I'm interested in hearing your full Virginia Tech preview see

751
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: what you uncovered.

752
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, there's much more to like about Virginia Tech

753
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: right now. They deserve to be in that like looking in,

754
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: are they winning games twenty three to twenty rather than

755
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: losing games twenty to three to twenty against whoever Boston

756
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: College or Wake or Duke or something like that, winnable

757
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: games because wasn't the case last year? Are they Have

758
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: they arrived to that level? We disagree vehemently on SMU.

759
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a fair question to ask if

760
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: SMU can contend right away. Okay, I think this is

761
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 3: a good team. There's a lot back. I think there's

762
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: a lot pointed in a good direction. I think the

763
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: schedule is marvelous. You apparently disagree with me on that front.

764
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: But my sense is that this is one of the

765
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 3: take a toe of things that we can establish here.

766
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: Oh more takes why birth. So the SMU over under

767
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: is eight.

768
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: They were eleven and three last season, as you mentioned,

769
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: lost the Bowl game to BC in the Wassabi Bowl.

770
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: SMU is eight over under. I am aggressively going over

771
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: on SMU and the eight. Would you like to take

772
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 3: the opposite side of the bet, since you apparently don't

773
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: like SMU at.

774
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: All, I'd say I don't like SMU at all. How

775
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: it sounded to me when we talked earlier. I'm just

776
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: telling you why I don't feel like they're ready to compete.

777
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 2: Why are they not ready to compete for the conference?

778
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: Why are they power five teams last year? How did

779
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: they do against power five teams last year? When they

780
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: want to let games? There's all those power five games

781
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: last year at TCU, Boston College.

782
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 3: Last year their losses were against Oklahoma. Yeah, we're against TCU,

783
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 3: and of course UH lost the Boston College game in

784
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: the bowl game.

785
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So after they lost to TCU, here are

786
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: their defensive sp plus opponent rankings one sixteen, eighty one,

787
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: one thirty one, eighteen one, fourteen, one, thirty three.

788
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 1: One eleven.

789
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,959
Speaker 2: Now, I'm not holding it against SMU that they played

790
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: a bunch of busted defenses, but I think you're being

791
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 2: a little bit. You're being seduced by that eleven and

792
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 2: three without I think fully recognizing how they got there,

793
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 2: and I think there's always going to be an adjustment

794
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: period when you make a move like this. I think

795
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 2: Preston Stone is absolutely a power five quarterback. I think

796
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: some of the receiving talent and skill talent they have

797
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,479
Speaker 2: is absolutely worthy of winning a bunch of power five games,

798
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: especially in the ACC against what I said were like

799
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: possibly thirteen out of seventeen disappointing defenses. So maybe that

800
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: fits in that aligns well with what SMU has done lately.

801
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 2: I just think for all these teams there's an adjustment

802
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: period when you make this kind of move. And if

803
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: you talk about SMU's schedules specifically, they're gonna be on

804
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: the road, right, SMU has at Stanford and at Duke

805
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: back to back what I'm calling a mileage plus double double.

806
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: Those teams stink, though, Dan, those aren't good teams. Ty,

807
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: I don't care. I'd like, all right, that's fine, that's fine.

808
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: It's tough to win on the road. It's it just is.

809
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 2: And it's a new Manny Diaz Duke team, and you know,

810
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: Stanford has a ways to go on defense. I'm with you,

811
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 2: and I'm with you that no Clemson or Miami. They've

812
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: got a soft landing with Pitt BC and at Virginia Cal.

813
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 2: I think to sort of finish things out, like I

814
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: think they're gonna be a good team. But I'm not

815
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 2: hot and bothered right now with SMU's ceiling in the

816
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 2: ACC because I just think it's it's gonna be tough

817
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: to come in and make a splash.

818
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: I do. I mean the recruiting rankings over the last

819
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: it's been good in the portal five years.

820
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 3: They'll say over the last five years recruiting rankings on

821
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 3: the SMU side compared to their peers, it's not favorable.

822
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 3: It definitely supports your case that there will be a

823
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: little bit more of a speed bump as they join

824
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: this conference. And typically we do see big issues on

825
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 3: defense whenever anybody steps up, whether you're coming up from

826
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 3: FCS to FBS. Not true in all cases, of course,

827
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: but whenever you're seeing that upgrade. Defense is generally the

828
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: trenches and defense is where you tend to see the

829
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: biggest disparities. And so there's absolutely a case to be

830
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: made on the defensive side of the ball for SMU

831
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 3: that they're not going to be ready. I do think

832
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 3: the offense will be pretty good. I think they'll be

833
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: able to score. And in a conference that does not

834
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: knock me over with a ton of brick wall defenses,

835
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 3: I think SEM is very interesting. I am not picking

836
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 3: SMU to necessarily go on and win conference, but I

837
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: put them comfortably in this lurking And also how they

838
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: get the schedule category, because I do feel like they're

839
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 3: going to knock somebody off, and I also think the

840
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 3: schedule works their advantage. I get what you're saying about

841
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: two consecutive road games Stanford and Duke.

842
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 1: What'd you call it? The mileage plus? Yeah, the mileage

843
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: plus double double yeah.

844
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: But of the other teams on here, they do have

845
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: back to back games at home against Florida State on

846
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 3: the road against Louisville. But the rest of this schedule

847
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 3: is workable. Nevada is a mess HCU. They'll beat HCU,

848
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 3: b YU. I think they could beat BYU as well.

849
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: It's a Friday night game, I think, yeah.

850
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: Pitt Boston College, Virginia and Cal those are all winnable

851
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: games in my view.

852
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 2: You probably thought so in the Wasabi Fenway Ball too,

853
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: didn't you.

854
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: I did think so in the Sabi family bold.

855
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: But guess what Thomas Costeanos. All you have to do

856
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: is stop him.

857
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: Couldn't do it?

858
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: All? Right, we at least agree that they belong in

859
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 3: this lurking category. Maybe I will be able to talk

860
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: to you in SMU as you go through your preview.

861
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: Now you did the full deep dive in SMU, so

862
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: maybe I shouldn't talking, but I will try to convince

863
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 3: you otherwise.

864
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: No, that's okay. Next tier up here, By the way.

865
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: What do we call this from a Costco standpoint? What

866
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: is what's working and with like, you know, kind of

867
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,879
Speaker 3: just hiding. I guess I think this is the samples, right.

868
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 3: You walk around Costco and they've got like the oh

869
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: do you want to try? Like a pig in a blanket,

870
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: So like they're just sampling their possibility to contend here,

871
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: they're sampling, you know, top tier status.

872
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm going with. Next up is.

873
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 3: Plucky teams with questions for me. Okay, teams with a

874
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: significant pluck factor but also a fair amount of questions.

875
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: So this is the close they say, stack up a

876
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 2: bunch of clothes, a lot to pick through. You know,

877
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 2: there could be some diamonds in the rough. You're gonna

878
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: get some like baggy Columbia cargo shorts as well.

879
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: Do you remember when we got.

880
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: That question, somebody sent in on a Q and A

881
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 3: asking us. I forget what the other choice was, but

882
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: one of the two options was you can either do

883
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: this or you can Kirkland branded clothing for the rest

884
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 3: of your life.

885
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I do remember. Yeah, that might have been another point

886
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: of disagreement between you. Did you say yes on Kirkland?

887
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: I think I did. It's there's pretty good stuff. It's

888
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: not all bad. I hear you, but I don't know.

889
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: I like a little zazz to my looks.

890
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm as I'm sitting here wearing a polo shirt that's

891
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: just kind of off green with nothing on it.

892
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:21,959
Speaker 1: Yeah.

893
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 3: Continue, I've got North Carolina, Cal, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Pitt,

894
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 3: and Boston College.

895
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: Was that six teams? Repeat that one more time.

896
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: North Carolina, Cal, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Boston College. Those

897
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: are my six teams that are plucky but have serious questions.

898
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: Hmmm, plucky with questions. I'd put Syracuse there, I'd put

899
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: North Carolina there, I'd put Georgia Tech there. I'm not

900
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 2: sure if i'd put anybody else there, cal Pit, Boston College,

901
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: You'd put them down a wrung. I would put Pitt

902
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 2: down a run. I'd put Calum BC new coach at BC.

903
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: Cal's got a lot to prove. Losing an offensive coordinator

904
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 2: bringing back a bad defense. Pit seems like they're kind

905
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: of in shambles. But new offensive coordinator is I don't

906
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 2: know there's hope there. But like man the depths to

907
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: which Pitt fell last year, it was a return a

908
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 2: bunch on offense. But I don't know if I can,

909
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 2: if I can fully get energized by where pitts right now?

910
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Why don't we talk about the teams we agree on?

911
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: Then? Oh, teams we agree on in North Carolina, Syracuse

912
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: and Georgia Tech correct North Carolina. For me, it's a

913
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 3: two part question of could Jeff Collins fix the defense?

914
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Can anybody fix the defense?

915
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: Frankly, is it even a coaching thing that can fix

916
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 3: the defense or is it a talent thing. We may

917
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 3: find out more by December, of course.

918
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: And you'll remember, like you go to last year with

919
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: North Carolina's defense, and like early to mid October, Tho

920
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: was like Jean Jays, like the right has he got nope, has.

921
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: Not fixed it.

922
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: No. And the second question for them is their quarterback situation.

923
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: So if you trace NC State North Carolina, excuse me,

924
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: back through the last couple of years, you've had Sam Howe,

925
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 3: you've have Drake May been blessed to have high level

926
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 3: quarterback play. These guys get drafted into the NFL. Even

927
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: before him, you know, there there was a Mitch Trubisky era.

928
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: Like they have had good quarterback play at UNC. This

929
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 3: is not to say that Max Johnson will not be

930
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 3: a good quarterback, but Max Johnson is most certainly not

931
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 3: going to be a first round draft pick. He also

932
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: has health issues. He's bounced around a lot. So what

933
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 3: does among.

934
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 2: Us ty Well saw hurts, my hamstrings are sore, my

935
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: lower back continue.

936
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in our forties. He's still in his twenties.

937
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: He might be in his forties. He could be in

938
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 3: his forties at this point. Yeah, but can he stay upright?

939
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 3: And how must they adjust that offense, if at all,

940
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: to accommodate him. He is not as good a passer

941
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: as either of those guys that I just mentioned.

942
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: Does it look different? I like a Marion Hampton.

943
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: I was gonna say he has maybe the best play

944
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 2: action or one of the best play actions in situations

945
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: in the league. In that Omaron Hampton certainly looks like

946
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 2: the best running back. If he's not the best running

947
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: back in the ACC, I mean, somebody probably emerges this

948
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: year as it, because he seems like the obvious first

949
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: team guy.

950
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my question there. The Georgia Tech conversation

951
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 3: is damn interesting. We're really high on Haynes King. I

952
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 3: think this offense is going to be able to score

953
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 3: points like crazy. I don't know if they're going to

954
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 3: be able to play defense. Again, this is a half

955
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: team situation for Georgia Tech and really an open question

956
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 3: of to what end, if at all, have they bridged

957
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:36,280
Speaker 3: that gap.

958
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: In the offseason between offense and defense.

959
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Georgia Tech coming off of a year. You're

960
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 2: right about the big defensive questions and they tried to

961
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: address it in the portal, which I think to a

962
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 2: certain extent they did, and hiring a new coordinator. I'm

963
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: just with Georgia Tech. I like Brent Key. I really

964
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 2: like Brent Key actually, but there is something about at

965
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: least Georgia Tech's twenty twenty three heading into the season

966
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: like they didn't always lose, but when they lost, boy

967
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: howdy did they right? They make it count? Did they

968
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 2: stand out? You want to lose to Bowling Green all right?

969
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: Not by like three?

970
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:10,280
Speaker 1: Okay?

971
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: That that's the thing with me with Georgia Tech when

972
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,760
Speaker 2: you have you know, whether it was the turnovers, the interceptions,

973
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 2: you know it was the turnovers on defense that kept

974
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: them in games or made results look closer than they

975
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 2: probably should have been. Like the I think it was

976
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: the Georgia game was like a seven or eight point

977
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: game like that was back and forth for a chunk there.

978
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: But they would just give away games, they would give

979
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: away leads, they would so it was it was one

980
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 2: of those things where you have to buy into Georgia

981
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 2: this or Georgia Tech this year that they're going to

982
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: be a lot more buttoned up in everything that they do,

983
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: which is fine, right that that is the definition of

984
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: frisky that one week they're going to lose a stupid

985
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 2: game and the next week they're going to beat you know,

986
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: an eight and two team or something. That there is

987
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 2: that element to Georgia Tech where you're just like you

988
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: cannot blink in a good way or not.

989
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: The Syracuse conversation.

990
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: We're gonna be having this conversational a year, and it

991
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 3: is at least to start the year. How long of

992
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: a ramp up period does fran Brown need? Like fran

993
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 3: Brown comes over from Georgia. He gave an impassioned introductory presser,

994
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 3: and I think if you're a Syracuse fan, you got

995
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 3: to be excited to be able to get this guy.

996
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: He seems like he wants to be there.

997
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: Of course, everyone wants to be there until they decide

998
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 3: they don't till a better job comes along. Hopefully that

999
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: is not the case for Syracuse and fran Brown. If

1000
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:41,479
Speaker 3: early returns are there, it's because of what they've done

1001
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: very quickly in the transfer portal with Kyle McCord, with

1002
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: the deal Diggs we mentioned earlier.

1003
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:46,800
Speaker 1: There are others.

1004
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 3: He has definitely hit the ground running in that sense,

1005
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: and I think Syracuse is a good schedule. I think

1006
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 3: that's part of why we like them, why we both

1007
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 3: feel that they're plucky. It is, though, truly a question

1008
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: of how long is it going to take to get

1009
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: everyone aligned. It's not always easy when you're stepping foot

1010
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: on a new campus, you're a new coach with new schemes,

1011
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,239
Speaker 3: new players to get everything organized, especially for a first

1012
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 3: time head coach that quickly that might be a little much.

1013
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 3: That said, Syracuse is a weird place to play, I

1014
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: reiterate that the schedule is kind of beautiful, and so

1015
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: there are a lot of things working in his favor.

1016
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: I just don't know how quickly he can reboot that program.

1017
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: There's something especially freeing about one hiring a new coach,

1018
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 2: two returning enough familiar talent, and three being like kind

1019
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: of so off the geographic beaten path that the expectation

1020
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: like it's a good year if Syracuse goes eight and

1021
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: four and knocks off a couple really good teams and

1022
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 2: wins the games they should win. If you go back

1023
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 2: to when you know, Dino Baber is like one more

1024
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 2: games than what they look like they should have won. Yeah,

1025
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,280
Speaker 2: and got you know, throttled by Notre Dame in Yankee Stadium.

1026
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: But like Syracuse is closer to Toronto than it is

1027
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 2: to Virginia, right that, like there is something about Syracuse

1028
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 2: where like you can just kind of be light on

1029
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: your feet about succeeding there. And to get Kyle mccorr

1030
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 2: to bring back Ronda Gatzen coming off of injury, like

1031
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: the guys on defense coming back the schedule, as you mentioned, Like,

1032
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: I just think there's something that, like, in the right way,

1033
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 2: they can succeed by being care free because it's that

1034
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: year one thing. There's juice there, there's you know, fresh blood,

1035
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: all those things that, like, I love Syracuse this year.

1036
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: I might love them as a seven and five team, sure,

1037
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: but I love the idea of Syracuse.

1038
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: Being dangerous this year in their own way.

1039
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 3: I think I'm with you on that one, Dan, I'm

1040
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: really with you on that one. All right, let's close

1041
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,160
Speaker 3: this out then. So we had a light disagreement on

1042
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: cal Pitt and BC, and we can kind of put

1043
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 3: that conversation on the on the side for a minute.

1044
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: Are there any teams you would group in the same

1045
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: category as cal Pitt and BC? Because of the remaining schools.

1046
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 3: We've got Duke, We've got Uva, We've got Wake, and

1047
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 3: we've got Stanford, all of which I have in my

1048
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 3: bottom tier, which I just labeled drive for six. I

1049
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 3: don't think any of those teams can be very good,

1050
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 3: and I can describe why. And I'm sure we'll talk

1051
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: more about it when we do team previews or whatnot.

1052
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: But Cal, Pitt and BC do any of them in

1053
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 3: your view, belong in that bottom tier with those other four.

1054
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 2: I think Pitt probably stands above because of at least

1055
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 2: Pat Nardozi's track record in this conference, whereas like many

1056
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Diaz who knows Justin Wilcox, who knows Bill O'Brien, who

1057
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 2: knows like there is something familiar about patn Ardoozy succeeding

1058
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: in the acc and taking a bad you know, defense

1059
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: that was down and you know transforming it, or you know,

1060
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 2: having the success he's had on offense occasionally.

1061
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: With the right quarterback.

1062
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 2: That he gets a little bit of the benefit and

1063
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 2: the opportunity to turn things around in my eyes, and

1064
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 2: he's bringing guys back that like, I think Pitt has

1065
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 2: done more to earn, say a slight benefit of the

1066
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 2: DOWBT Like, yep, you were embarrassing at times last year,

1067
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I could squint and see what

1068
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 2: did you call the previous year friskiness, danger whatever?

1069
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 1: I could see that With Pet it is a question

1070
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: of was last year a blip?

1071
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 3: You know, was last year, but was last year and

1072
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 3: the year before frankly a blip? And can they get

1073
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 3: back to playing defense. Will this new offense take I

1074
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: think that's the big question.

1075
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 1: And they they've been like their portal stuff has been

1076
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: so bad. It's been bad.

1077
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: And Pitt's unfortunately fell victim a little bit to this

1078
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: new portal era that we're in where guys want to

1079
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: go elsewhere. We saw that a couple of years ago

1080
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 3: with Jordan Addison right, that was one of the great

1081
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 3: early examples of this working against teams.

1082
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: Of Pitt's caliber.

1083
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: The shift on offense though, to more of the up

1084
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: tempo stuff, I just especially because the defense.

1085
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: Last year was in such a bad place. I wonder.

1086
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 3: I worry that switch to an up tempo offense has

1087
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: a negative effect on the defense, which is then overstressed.

1088
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: Maybe they don't have their bodies and Pitt turns into

1089
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 3: a half team overnight in a really weird way.

1090
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: Now they've been a half team before. It was just

1091
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: the shoe was on the other foot defense versus offense.

1092
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: But uh, Pitt's interesting.

1093
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 2: I might even put Virginia Tech in or excuse me,

1094
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 2: Virginia in that interesting category, like I might separate Virginia

1095
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 2: from BC. Duke just loses so much. I'm kind of

1096
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: high on Manny Diaz. I'm high on you know, what

1097
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: the offensive ceiling might be at a certain point this year.

1098
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna take a minute. But you lose

1099
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 2: close before you win close. Hypothetically maybe not if you're

1100
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: Scott Frost Nebraska, but like you look at the way

1101
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: Virginia competed, and look they had, you know, maybe the

1102
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,399
Speaker 2: best receiver, one of the best, like three or four

1103
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: receivers in the conference, in Malik Washington, and he's gone.

1104
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 2: There's still enough with Virginia that they played hard, they fought,

1105
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 2: they lost close, they won close in a couple of

1106
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: instances where they probably shouldn't have that. Like I'm just

1107
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm not again, I'm not engorged about Virginia.

1108
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. Sorry.

1109
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: We haven't done Patriot League. So I got to get

1110
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 2: these words out of somehow. But I've got an eye

1111
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 2: on them. I've got an eye on Virginia as somebody

1112
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 2: that I don't think is as far off from respectability

1113
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 2: as it might appear from afar. I know that sort

1114
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: of sounds headgy tie, I understand, but I can I

1115
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: can understand being in a world, an acc multiverse in

1116
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: which Virginia makes a Bowl game this year.

1117
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: We'll put Duke, will put Wake, We'll put Stanford in

1118
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 3: the bottom in the CEA. A lot of what you

1119
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: said about true as Pitt, I could go along with it.

1120
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: On the UVA front, Uva is interesting.

1121
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,440
Speaker 2: I like to I wish I had a better home field.

1122
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't know what they're I don't have their schedule.

1123
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: I do have their schedule in front of me. If

1124
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: you want to get into Virginia, no, no, let's save it.

1125
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: Let's save it.

1126
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll save that. Where I want I go with

1127
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: this though, is Cal. Yeah.

1128
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 3: And I came into this not thinking very highly at

1129
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 3: all of Cal. I came out of it feeling like

1130
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 3: they're gonna knock somebody off.

1131
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: You're hot for Aught. I am hot for At. I'm

1132
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: so sorry everybody. I'm hot for At. Okay, And.

1133
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if Cal is sort of like the acc

1134
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: ephis pitch this year, well, location wise wise for sure.

1135
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: And I think.

1136
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,919
Speaker 3: They're gonna need to lean into what they're good at,

1137
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: which is their offensive line actually wasn't horrible last year,

1138
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 3: at least took strides forward, and they've got arguably one

1139
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: of the two best running backs in the conference with

1140
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 3: jade not, and I think if they steer more into

1141
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 3: that on offense and ditch to some extent the up

1142
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 3: tempo stuff that they were doing a year ago. They

1143
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: hired from within, right within, promoted their offensive line coach,

1144
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 3: who did a good job with that line. They're a

1145
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 3: little bit deeper at the quarterback position, and I think

1146
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: there's some more certainty there, whether it's Chandler Rogers or

1147
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: Fernando Mendozo, who played a good deal the games last year.

1148
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 3: I just think on offense there are pieces in place

1149
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 3: that could make them plucky and interesting, and anytime you've

1150
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 3: got a playmaker like ot you can catch somebody defensively,

1151
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 3: which has been justin Wilcox's calling card. They vastly underperformed

1152
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 3: last year, and so there's been a bit of a

1153
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 3: trend line there they need to try and reverse that.

1154
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 3: I do wonder if playing the uptempo offense affected the

1155
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: defense in an adverse way last season, and so I

1156
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 3: think maybe reassessing a little bit how they play offensive

1157
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: football could also benefit them on defense. So I'm higher

1158
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: on cal than you. I'm also higher on Boston College.

1159
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: The Boston College rosser is not as bad as you

1160
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:00,439
Speaker 3: would think, no.

1161
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: It's not, and there's there's pieces.

1162
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are definitely pieces. Thomas Castiano is a big friggin' dude.

1163
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 3: He's like six', five two. Forties he's built like dju

1164
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 3: and he can move and he can. Run he needs

1165
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 3: to be better about not throwing, interceptions but ran for

1166
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 3: thirteen touchdowns a year. AGO i Think bill O'Brien did

1167
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: an excellent job taking that, roster hitting the rounde, running

1168
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: plugging guys in via the. Portal that can, help AND

1169
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: i think if nothing, MORE bc will be better and

1170
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 3: will be serviceable this. Season last year was it ended

1171
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 3: up being a bit of a transition year With castianos

1172
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 3: getting the job, early them kind of retooling the offense

1173
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: a bit to accommodate. HIM i think starting fresh With

1174
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 3: bill O'Brien bringing his expertise at the quarterback position into

1175
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,439
Speaker 3: the fold will be beneficial For Boston. College So I'M

1176
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 3: i think they will catch. Somebody Boston college is always

1177
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 3: a weird place to, play you, Know like we have

1178
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 3: a couple of those spots in THE Acc. Syracuse Boston

1179
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: college certainly now like col And stanford fit that gold as.

1180
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 3: WELL i THINK bc is going to catch somebody not

1181
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: sure who they're weird in that you can take a.

1182
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: Call while you're watching the guess correctadium, correct but you

1183
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 2: don't have to pinch closed your other. Ear you, open

1184
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 2: take a, call be like, no, no it's a good.

1185
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Time fourteen three in the second, quarter nobody's doing. Anything,

1186
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: YEAH i.

1187
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 3: DON'T i don't know if we have anything else that

1188
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: we want to add in our drive for six category

1189
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 3: at the? Bottom what what are we labeling these two

1190
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 3: tiers from A costco, Standpoint so The North, Carolina, Syracuse

1191
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 3: Georgia Tech plucky tier and then whatever we're grouping Pit

1192
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: Uva cal AND bc in.

1193
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 2: TWO i guess they're the bakery still Bacon tye just

1194
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: dowing the, oven waiting to see how it comes. OUT

1195
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: i don't, Know, okay are they gonna the tires changed

1196
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: at the auto body section of a number of Different.

1197
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: Costcos douke lost a. LOT i Think stanford's still a

1198
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 1: good year away And wake we can talk more About.

1199
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 2: Wake wake is interesting in, THAT i mean they're in

1200
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 2: a similar boat philosophically as Like pitt, right where like

1201
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: you have to Give dave Claus in some benefit of

1202
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: the doubt that he can figure things out in a

1203
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 2: conference in which he. Succeeded it's been a, minute and,

1204
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: defensively they've kind of fallen off the cliff and they,

1205
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: have you, know interesting guys on both sides of the

1206
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: ball and have been a thorn and a number of team.

1207
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: Sides but if you are sort of taking them at

1208
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: surface level where they've been these past couple of, years you're, like,

1209
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: MAN i don't you know Losing Sam harmon last, Year

1210
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 2: Mitch griffiths wasn't hit and he's. Gone now where there's just,

1211
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: like how can you win with this Ro how can

1212
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: you go seven and five with this roster when so

1213
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 2: many of the teams on their schedule are so proactively

1214
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: adding quality, players, starters depth, pieces, whatever And wake is

1215
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: just sort of trying to do what it did like

1216
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen or. Whatever you, know they really hit their

1217
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 2: high water.

1218
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: Mark all? Right that does it for our? Tiers the

1219
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: way that this will.

1220
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 3: Work now for parts two and, three we're going to

1221
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: go Through we're going to talk about individual. Teams, Dan,

1222
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: yeah explain our work, Here explain our reasoning with respect

1223
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: to our tiers and how we see the conference shaking.

1224
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,160
Speaker 3: Out my acc championship game Is miami Against, clemson With miami.

1225
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 1: Winning, okay have you given any thought to?

1226
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 2: YOURS i definitely Have. SYRACUSE i just MY acc championship

1227
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: is probably going to BE i THINK i probably have

1228
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: like a repeat of like Maybe Florida State. Miami, OKAY

1229
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: i could see. It And i'm not super high on

1230
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: either of those, quarterbacks But West coast, footprint, yeah, Sure

1231
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 2: Florida State. Miami and the THING i like about both

1232
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 2: of those teams is that hypothetically they can win an

1233
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 2: ugly game against an inferior OPPONENT i think more often

1234
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: than the rest of the teams on their schedule because

1235
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 2: of you, know star power on defense Mostly all, right,

1236
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: well right in, again soberbogmail dot, com hit, follow hit

1237
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,840
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1238
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,560
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1239
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,880
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1240
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 2: content the online dynasty that we are spinning. UP i

1241
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 2: think there's ten teams in it, now so there's plenty

1242
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,880
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1243
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1244
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Speaker 1: That.

1245
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: Dan we will be dropping our next episode On sunday

1246
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 3: for the Forballer, hood and Then part three will drop On.

1247
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 3: Tuesday after, that we'll launch right into The big. Twelve

1248
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 3: we've got The power conferences in front of, Us we've

1249
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,800
Speaker 3: Got Notre dame and The independence in front of. Us

1250
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna do every team every conference here over the

1251
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 3: next couple. WEEKS i also did want to throw this

1252
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 3: out IF i, could just as a means of keeping ourselves. Honest,

1253
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 3: yeah and in tune with the verballer. Hood it is

1254
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: just you AND i doing all of this. Research we

1255
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: don't have any producers or anything that are helping us with,

1256
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: this AND i thought it would be wise to mention

1257
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:29,320
Speaker 3: retroactively the things that we screw. Up oh, okay it

1258
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 3: was brought to my attention from verbal or Dan out

1259
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: On twitter that my analysis of The Miami ohio schedule was,

1260
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: great but also.

1261
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: From twenty twenty three and not twenty twenty. Four but

1262
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: did you get the twenty twenty three schedule? CORRECT i

1263
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: THINK i don't even know IF i got that.

1264
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 3: RIGHT i Batched Miami ohio and are pretty bad BY

1265
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 3: i Like Miami.

1266
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: OHIO i Like Chuck.

1267
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: Martin they're one of the best two teams in THE.

1268
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 3: Mac BUT i screwed that one. Up we regret the.

1269
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 3: Error we regret the error the other thing THAT i messed,

1270
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 3: up AND i actually don't have anything for. YOU i

1271
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: think you might have pitched a perfect game, here zero.

1272
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 3: Chance but continue the thing THAT i messed. Up it

1273
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 3: was the most tie screwup. EVER i was talking About

1274
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 3: memphis when we did The american preview AND i said

1275
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 3: to you that per projections from our Friend Bill, connolly

1276
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 3: they are the biggest half team in The American. Right

1277
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 3: turns OUT i did the math wrong on that.

1278
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,520
Speaker 1: ONE i wasn't too far. Off the biggest half team IS.

1279
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 3: Uab there are ninety four spots between uab's offense and

1280
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 3: their bad. Defense memphis it's only ninety one spots between

1281
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 3: their offense and their bad. Defense so still a conference,

1282
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: Favorite still a really big, Gap definitely still a half. Team,

1283
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 3: Yes but in the interest of being accurate and honest

1284
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: and transparent with the, verballerhood excuse.

1285
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: Me that was another mistake THAT i.

1286
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: Made so if there are any other ones that you

1287
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: notice and you want to send them, in do so.

1288
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: Kindly we are doing all this. Research it's taking a

1289
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: lot of our.

1290
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: Times we want people to comb through these, episodes like

1291
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: the golf rule book experts who send THE pga notes

1292
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 2: like actually that was an illegal, Drop and the person

1293
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: who sends us the most, errors maybe we'll send them a.

1294
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: Shirt by the end of preview. SEASON i would listen

1295
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,040
Speaker 2: more closely to me if you're trying to. LOOK i,

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Speaker 2: Mean tie screwed up, early BUT i think long. GAME

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Speaker 2: i think It's Mike. BLOSH i don't know how you pronounced,

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Speaker 2: it BUT i didn't have THAT b in.

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01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: FRONT i THINK i Said Mike.

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Speaker 2: Glosh but, YEAH i would with a fine tooth comb

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01:06:37,600 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: go through everything we. Say not grammar, wise we promise

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 2: nothing in terms of how well we do or don't.

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01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: Speak but if we screw something, up very politely let us.

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01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: Know and if somebody is particularly adept at catching our, errors,

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01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: yeah we'll send. You like a win Your clunker. Shirt

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Speaker 2: how about that seems.

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Speaker 1: Apt release when Your clunker, shirt which was.

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Yeah that's coming soon, though guys will be dropping on

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01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:05,479
Speaker 2: our new and improved merch.

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01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: Store we promit it's a good. One though you like

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Speaker 1: how it LOOKS i. DO i. Do do you have

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: your own copy?

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01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 3: Yet?

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01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: No did you get? One? No not? YET i. Will

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01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:14,920
Speaker 1: there are four out.

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01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 3: In the wild that we gave away to some contest

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01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 3: winners and some other folks who helped.

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01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: Us they're really, nice but that's. It you AND i

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01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 1: don't even have. Them we know what they look, like

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01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: but that's.

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Speaker 2: It OR i guess you can go to Like kith

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01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 2: Or supreme In New. YORK i think they're going to

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01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: be dropping there. First, right those are very hip. Stores, sure,

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01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 2: sure those are very cool Place.

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Speaker 1: I've never heard. Of Tell supreme tells you everything you

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01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: need to know about, Me, dan.

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01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: You've never seen that Like Red Supreme. Rectangle, no really. Never,

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01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: YEAH i figured you would have seen at least That

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Speaker 2: kith is, Different but, yeah this Is these are Like

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Speaker 2: Ari wasserman places.

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Speaker 3: To all, Right, well, look thank you one and all

1333
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 3: for bearing with us. Here hopefully you learn. Something we're

1334
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: gonna get a lot deeper with this conference on our

1335
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 3: next two. Episodes for that guy over, there my good

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Speaker 3: Friend Dan, rubinstein for my, Self tie Hilden, Brandt we'll

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01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,080
Speaker 3: talk to you all On.

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Speaker 1: Sunday in the, meantime stay, solid, PEACE

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