Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal Come that for me. I'm
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Speaker 1: Dan, how are you you know? Ty?
Speaker 2: Life is good out west. I'll say it again, I've
Speaker 2: said it before. It's about sixty degrees. Had a great
Speaker 2: Italian meal last night. Been weirdly staying on East Coast time. Okay, okay,
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Speaker 1: Yeah, how how do you do that?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I be going to sleep around nine pm, be waking
Speaker 2: up about six am, but you go to sleep at
Speaker 2: nine pm normally, right, So basically I'm just sleeping a
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Speaker 3: What is the weather situation in southern California right now?
Speaker 1: Not bad?
Speaker 2: Tie, It's not like tropical but I was out in
Speaker 2: Palm Springs for camera guy Dave's wedding and that was
Speaker 2: that was very nice.
Speaker 1: I was about seventy five degrees. It's about sixty degrees tie,
Speaker 1: no rain, going to San Francisco for a couple days,
Speaker 1: just going on a tour. That's toasty, baby, it is.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to Chicago next week, so it's about
Speaker 2: to take a turn, about to take a seventeen degrees
Speaker 2: turned for the worst.
Speaker 3: Welcome back in with Dan and I. We run a
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're going to try to do the
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Speaker 1: Really get it up a good one window before, a
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Speaker 3: We will have more details forthcoming on the live show
Speaker 3: the additional lot of tickets for January six. We're also
Speaker 3: working on something a little special in the lab that
Speaker 3: we can't reveal quite yet.
Speaker 1: Ooh, that would be probably earlier on in the weekend ish.
Speaker 3: That would be correct. Yeah, got something cool. Not ready
Speaker 3: to unleash the beast yet, but that is as we
Speaker 3: say in the industry, a tease, Daniel.
Speaker 2: I cannot wait for you to unleash your beast Tye.
Speaker 2: I cannot, nor can I, Dan. Let's get right into it.
Speaker 1: We have Bret news. Daniel.
Speaker 3: Just because you went out to the West Coast does
Speaker 3: not mean you can escape the hotbed of news that
Speaker 3: we have brewing here in the college football world. Now,
Speaker 3: as some of you might have noticed from reading the interwebs,
Speaker 3: college football has a new early sign period. It sort
Speaker 3: of changes the schedule as we know it, at least
Speaker 3: on the recruiting side of things. That new early signing
Speaker 3: period is between today, which is December twentieth, when we're recording,
Speaker 3: and on Friday, December twenty second. Between now and then,
Speaker 3: guys are going to be signing all over the place.
Speaker 3: If you want more details on the whares and the
Speaker 3: whys and the hows of the new schedule, I would
Speaker 3: advise it was very instructive for me to read Bud
Speaker 3: Elliott's piece out on esp Nation. He's been writing about it,
Speaker 3: he's been guessing about how things might change from this
Speaker 3: point forward, given some of the formatting adjustments that they've
Speaker 3: made in college football. But if you really want to
Speaker 3: deep dive and get more info on the new signing period.
Speaker 3: Dan bud Elliott's a good resource for you.
Speaker 1: My main takeaway.
Speaker 3: Is that the new signing period is basically the new
Speaker 3: signing day.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, Nineteen of the top twenty five, at least
Speaker 2: for the blue chip guy right now, nineteen of the
Speaker 2: top twenty five on twenty four to seven's composite rankings
Speaker 2: have signed or I think are expected to sign maybe
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty twenty one. We're recording this evening time East
Speaker 2: Coast time on Wednesday, so who knows what will happen
Speaker 2: in the next few hours today, in the next couple
Speaker 2: of days. We apologize this show once again is not live,
Speaker 2: so there it seems like an overwhelming majority at least
Speaker 2: of the top kids will sign, though there's I think
Speaker 2: a good chunk of them that will wait until February
Speaker 2: to take more visits, which certainly is an advantage for
Speaker 2: kids that are deciding between a number of schools, have
Speaker 2: a lot of options, and honestly, a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys are just finishing up their high school playoff time
Speaker 2: and haven't had time these past few weeks. As it's
Speaker 2: the clock has sort of ticked down to this early
Speaker 2: national signing day to take their last visit or too.
Speaker 2: So I think there are some guys that are waiting
Speaker 2: to do that. There's some you know people be it
Speaker 2: for Stanford or Notre Dame or UCLA or took Northwestern
Speaker 2: that have to wait on. Some academics that I have
Speaker 2: not fully come in the final or I guess the
Speaker 2: second to last semester in high school. And it affects
Speaker 2: you know, a number of kids just coaching changes that
Speaker 2: are happening. So you have coaches scrambling a lot quicker
Speaker 2: than they used to before an early February signing day.
Speaker 2: You have teams in early bowl games. I know just
Speaker 2: from somebody that is you know, as I am following Oregon,
Speaker 2: this was where this past weekend was supposed to be
Speaker 2: a huge recruiting weekend and could not be so anymore
Speaker 2: because of the Las Vegas Ball the Bowl. So there's
Speaker 2: a number of pieces that are being shuffled across the
Speaker 2: deck because of this early signing period. And I also
Speaker 2: get tie why you know, some people prefer this, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think coaches fully prefer it, but maybe kids
Speaker 2: who have been committed for a long time. They just
Speaker 2: want to get the process over, move on with either
Speaker 2: the rest of their high school career as a as
Speaker 2: a student, just as a kid for the last few months,
Speaker 2: or getting ready to enroll as an early enroll lead
Speaker 2: in their college of choice.
Speaker 1: So it definitely is a different dynamic.
Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is now we've got this new
Speaker 3: early signing period. I think they're going to try and
Speaker 3: fashion this as the more elaborate of the two. The
Speaker 3: one in February does not go away. It's still there,
Speaker 3: but it does seem as if there's more of a
Speaker 3: push to ink guys.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: What's interesting to me is that we don't fully know
Speaker 3: the effects of this new schedule quite yet. Nobody really
Speaker 3: knows how it's going to shake out. It might take
Speaker 3: a few recruiting cycles to figure out what this is
Speaker 3: going to be, how this needs to be modified to
Speaker 3: be more effective in the future. One early read though,
Speaker 3: and Bud Elliott, God bless him, he's been predicting this
Speaker 3: since I think the summertime. He said a while back
Speaker 3: he thought small schools might see a benefit from this, because,
Speaker 3: as you know, there are a lot of these fringe
Speaker 3: guys who traditionally have waited around to see if they
Speaker 3: get offered from bigger programs. In this setup, it almost
Speaker 3: forces them to make a decision earlier in the process,
Speaker 3: and in a lot of cases that'll be to a
Speaker 3: place like ECU or Kansas over waiting around to go
Speaker 3: to Texas, waiting around to see if he gets something
Speaker 3: from Florida, so on and so forth. So again, a
Speaker 3: lot remains to be seen about how this whole thing
Speaker 3: shakes out. It is interesting though, that we're kind of
Speaker 3: flying blind through at least cycle number one of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it affects guys who perhaps have had injuries
Speaker 2: later on in their career. Sure, yeah, your tape isn't
Speaker 2: fully out. I know Florida allegedly asked, I think ECU.
Speaker 2: That would be ECU, not TCU. East Carolina's their quarterback.
Speaker 2: Now I believe signee or at least commit to sort
Speaker 2: of hold off. Whereas if you're a three star kid,
Speaker 2: even a promising three star kid who might be fringe,
Speaker 2: power five, group of five, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 2: when you're not as in demand, you want to grab
Speaker 2: that spot. So I know, I was talking to our
Speaker 2: pal Yogi Roth about this. Carter Bradley who is the
Speaker 2: son of former I think Jacksonville Jaguar head coach Gus Bradley,
Speaker 2: Bradley promising young quarterback, I think a high three star
Speaker 2: kid instead of waiting on perhaps to see if a
Speaker 2: bigger program misses on a quarterback of choice, and they
Speaker 2: have some big programs who have missed this past few
Speaker 2: weeks for quarterbacks scrambling late. He signed with Toledo because
Speaker 2: that is a guaranteed spot. I guess he feels the
Speaker 2: most wanted there. I can't speak to his exact feelings,
Speaker 2: but you know, certainly Toledo promising program with Logan Woodside
Speaker 2: succeeding Jason kandall just getting an extension. So guys are
Speaker 2: just they're grabbing those spots and they don't want to
Speaker 2: be backup plans because sometimes backup plans don't work out.
Speaker 2: You know, those spots don't open up like schools are
Speaker 2: thinking that they might. So yeah, I think you're totally
Speaker 2: right that those three star kids who ordinarily might get
Speaker 2: that last second Ohio State or UCLA off or something
Speaker 2: like that, they're not waiting. They're grabbing their spot and
Speaker 2: they're moving on with their lives.
Speaker 3: Hey, a bird in hand right versus two in the bush.
Speaker 3: I think that's what we're going to see, at least
Speaker 3: again as it relates to some of these fringe guys
Speaker 3: who could wait around and get an offer from a
Speaker 3: bigger school. The other thing that seems obvious is that
Speaker 3: there's a downside for you and I and you alluded
Speaker 3: to this. But we are once a week podcast, and
Speaker 3: given the fact that this is a rolling three day thing,
Speaker 3: we're going to do our best to cover a thirty
Speaker 3: thousand foot view. For now, We're going to give you
Speaker 3: major storylines and team rankings and key names and things
Speaker 3: like that. We will come back in February we'll talk
Speaker 3: to you about how things all ended up. Keep in
Speaker 3: mind that we are still trying to figure this whole
Speaker 3: thing out as well. So with that being said, Daniel,
Speaker 3: after at least one day of this new signing period,
Speaker 3: give me a sense for how the team rankings are looking.
Speaker 3: Any surprises are What are the early takeaways from how
Speaker 3: teams are doing now?
Speaker 2: I don't think there's all that much in the way
Speaker 2: of surprises. Ohio State has been putting together a behemoth
Speaker 2: of a class. Clemson has. When I say finished, I
Speaker 2: mean they have sort of approached the end of the
Speaker 2: cycle in a very strong fashion. I think they've ended
Speaker 2: up with four of the top nine recruits in the country.
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, who a lot of people have been very
Speaker 2: intrigued by for a number of years now, A big
Speaker 2: quarterback from I want to say, Georgia, great hair, sixty
Speaker 2: six two fifteen and unbelievable head of hair.
Speaker 1: I'm never allowed to cut that here. Xavier Thomas.
Speaker 2: I think, a defensive end as is kJ Henry, a
Speaker 2: defensive end from the Clemson class.
Speaker 1: And then Jackson Carmen.
Speaker 2: Who was the sort of early story of the day
Speaker 2: for you know, seemingly exciting reasons, but honestly not all
Speaker 2: that exciting because it was he told a story about
Speaker 2: urban Meyer allegedly being on the down side the back
Speaker 2: half of his career. According to Dabos Swinney during his recruitment,
Speaker 2: Jackson Carmen being the number one recruit in the state
Speaker 2: of Ohio, a giant offensive lineman. I don't know that
Speaker 2: Davos Swiney was incorrect. I don't know that there's anything
Speaker 2: so controversial about a coach pointing something out that may
Speaker 2: be true, and there's some solid evidence that you could
Speaker 2: point to. I suppose just the fact that Ohio, a
Speaker 2: huge high school football state, lost the number one recruit
Speaker 2: to a school in the South.
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty significant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, big one, big one. That was one of the
Speaker 3: true surprises of the day. What's the top ten.
Speaker 2: So we have Ohio State, Georgia, Texas, and Georgia has
Speaker 2: finished extraordinarily, so I want to talk about it next
Speaker 2: the end. Yeah, a lot of linemen, five star linemen
Speaker 2: just coming to Georgia in droves. Texas may have I
Speaker 2: know our pal Budd said this maybe the best defensive
Speaker 2: back class anybody's had ever. They got a commitment from
Speaker 2: a five star kid named Anthony Cook, so they're in
Speaker 2: the top. They'll probably finish top two, three, four somewhere
Speaker 2: in there. Penn State has finished very strong. Micah Parsons,
Speaker 2: who you remember. Recently Ohio State had to stop recruiting
Speaker 2: as part of a self imposed disciplinary thing for improper
Speaker 2: contact with Kirkirk Street on the game day sets.
Speaker 1: An incredible story.
Speaker 2: By the way, Alabama in a shakra is finishing strong
Speaker 2: and should continue to climb. Miami's had a very strong
Speaker 2: class this whole time. Notre Dame a very strong class Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Impressive given it it's Lincoln Riley's I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's his first full class because he took over
Speaker 2: in June, you want to say June. So certainly a
Speaker 2: pretty cool accomplishment from Lincoln Riley. Auburn, Clemson, Washington, who
Speaker 2: I believe brings in two blue chip quarterbacks, so always
Speaker 2: interesting there, including one of whom was an Oregon commitment
Speaker 2: to Mark Helfrich. Michigan is finishing pretty well. Oregon has
Speaker 2: fallen from that top six or seven perch, but they're
Speaker 2: still in the top fifteen. Florida got a huge commitment
Speaker 2: from an Ohio state quarterback, Emery James. Emery Jones, Yeah
Speaker 2: to Dan Mullen, so you know you have to look admire.
Speaker 2: I guess the thinking of Emery Jones like, Wow, Urban
Speaker 2: Meyer's gonna run me a lot. I better go to
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen, Who's going to run me a lot in
Speaker 2: warmer weather. Let me let's go back to Georgia. We'll
Speaker 2: get to Emory Jones here. But okay, Georgia I thought
Speaker 2: was a pretty big story. One of the hot names
Speaker 2: in this recruiting class was Justin Fields. Justin Fields is
Speaker 2: a quarterback. Originally it sounded like he was going to
Speaker 2: Penn State. He decommitted from Penn State. He ends up
Speaker 2: signing with Georgia. Also at Georgia, we've got one of
Speaker 2: the top running backs, Zamir White.
Speaker 3: We've also got Dalvin Cook's little brother, James Cook. We've
Speaker 3: got Jamari Sallier on the line, Cade Mays on the line,
Speaker 3: probably the best offensive line class in the entire country,
Speaker 3: and at least according to twenty four to seven's composite,
Speaker 3: six five star recruits on the board for Georgia just
Speaker 3: in day one, what is day one of this new
Speaker 3: early signing period. That is a haul and a half
Speaker 3: for Kirby Smart, who clearly now after making the playoff,
Speaker 3: after having a good recruiting class a year ago, seems like, Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what it's going to be year in and
Speaker 3: year out. Maybe not quite as high as we're seeing
Speaker 3: this year, but if you're a Georgia fan, you've got
Speaker 3: a lot of reason to be really excited.
Speaker 1: What I don't get.
Speaker 3: Though, not to take all the air out of the
Speaker 3: room here, but if you're justin fields and you see
Speaker 3: that Jake from he is a freshman starting could potentially
Speaker 3: lead the Dogs to a national championship.
Speaker 1: What is the allure of going to Georgia.
Speaker 2: Well, he's from Georgia, so there is the idea of
Speaker 2: staying somewhere close. I mean, what is the allure of
Speaker 2: any five star coming in a year after another blue
Speaker 2: ship quarterback? We've seen it at other places, to a
Speaker 2: tag of below has gotten on the field at Alabama
Speaker 2: after you know, Jalen Hurts succeeded to a pretty crazy
Speaker 2: extent as a true freshman. The honestly, what did why
Speaker 2: did Jake from go when Jacob Eeson was there? Well,
Speaker 2: transfers happen, injuries happened, you know, life happens. And if
Speaker 2: Justin Fields truly felt and I say, this is somebody
Speaker 2: who has never spoken to him, has no insider.
Speaker 1: Knowledge of the inner workings of his brain.
Speaker 2: But if he feels that he felt most at home
Speaker 2: at Georgia, like the coaches at Georgia the most, and
Speaker 2: feels like he has an honest to goodness shot to
Speaker 2: compete at some point, probably doesn't expect to come in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen and win the job. But if he expects
Speaker 2: to come in and prove himself, and I again no
Speaker 2: inside knowledge of anybody's brain. But Jacob Eeson, who knows
Speaker 2: how long he is for Athens after seeing perhaps some
Speaker 2: writing on the wall with Jake From's success as a
Speaker 2: true freshman. Life happens and you just got to follow
Speaker 2: your heart. You remember Georgia did this a few years
Speaker 2: ago now with Zach Mettenberger and Aaron Murray, and that
Speaker 2: ultimately worked out for everybody. Aaron Murray had a record
Speaker 2: setting career for the Dogs, and Zach Mettenberger went on
Speaker 2: to have a pretty good transfer.
Speaker 1: He played for the Titans.
Speaker 2: He played for the Titans. It you know, Aaron Murray's
Speaker 2: brother got on The Bachelor. I watched It's all happening. Okay,
Speaker 2: so at a certain point, I mean Washington signed too.
Speaker 2: I think Texas signed a couple of well regarded quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Michigan has a couple of pretty good quarterbacks in this
Speaker 2: class and Guinea numbers and all of these guys are
Speaker 2: ultra competitive and believe that they can come in and
Speaker 2: just powerwash the depth chart.
Speaker 1: So who am I?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's always the brightest decision. I think
Speaker 2: Justin Fields had an opportunity at Florida State and given
Speaker 2: the coaching change. Maybe he was turned off.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was more of a Jimbo guy. I get it,
Speaker 2: I get why you want to go where you want
Speaker 2: to go. I don't know if he really saw an
Speaker 2: opportunity that he really loved elsewhere. So either way, it
Speaker 2: feels like it'll be entertaining. What a ridiculous class for Georgia.
Speaker 3: It feels like it'll be entertaining and to your point, yeah,
Speaker 3: an incredible haul. Let's stay in the SEC and briefly
Speaker 3: talk about Florida flipping Emery Jones from Ohio State. Emory
Speaker 3: Jones a dual threat quarterback. It's a big deal for
Speaker 3: two reasons. A, you may have watched Florida play quarterback
Speaker 3: this season, and B Emory Jones sort of fits in
Speaker 3: perfectly with the system that Dan Mullen wants to run
Speaker 3: it Florida definitely. I mean they also signed for safeties,
Speaker 3: a couple of tight ends, some linemen. Maybe not quite
Speaker 3: as much sex appeal else where where, although it was
Speaker 3: a very strong class in its own right. But Emory
Speaker 3: Jones getting him from Ohio State, I think gives Dan
Speaker 3: Mullen someone he's going to start from day one.
Speaker 1: To run that system.
Speaker 3: I don't know where it leaves a guy like a
Speaker 3: Felipe Franks who played a lot this year.
Speaker 1: He was only a true freshman.
Speaker 3: But Emory Jones to me seems like he fits more
Speaker 3: with what Dan Mullen wants to do in Gainesville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't think this class is complete. They're
Speaker 2: what a top fifteen class right now. In the Emory
Speaker 2: Jones thing is huge, and they have a couple of
Speaker 2: let's see, when you look at their commitments, it's a
Speaker 2: pretty good defensive class. It's pretty balanced. I know Damian
Speaker 2: Pierce is a well regarded running back, but there's still
Speaker 2: time to add more more players because Dan Mullen and
Speaker 2: his new staff they're still forging very new and quick
Speaker 2: relationships with high school coaches and recruits that perhaps they
Speaker 2: weren't in on at Mississippi State or wherever any of
Speaker 2: these assistants were last year.
Speaker 1: So it's sort of it seems fluid.
Speaker 2: But he signed a good chunk of these guys and
Speaker 2: there's a healthy percentage of blue chips. Looks like maybe
Speaker 2: perhaps scoot a little bit more on defense, depending on
Speaker 2: where a couple of athletes end up. But yeah, all
Speaker 2: in all, it seems like a successful first stab at
Speaker 2: things for Dan Mullen and the Florida staff.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about penn State. Penn State's a program obviously
Speaker 3: near and dear to my heart. They get a top
Speaker 3: pass rusher in Micah Parsons, who is from Pennsylvania. It
Speaker 3: sounds like James Franklin's going to give him some time
Speaker 3: at middle linebacker in the spring. We'll see how that
Speaker 3: pans out for him, but he's a very talented player.
Speaker 3: They also add in a big bodied five star wide
Speaker 3: out from New Jersey, Justin Shorter. He's going to major
Speaker 3: in engineering Dan Cookie, so he'll be a nice addition
Speaker 3: to get Ricky Slayd from Virginia, a five star all
Speaker 3: purpose back. And they also flip Jahad Dotson, a four
Speaker 3: star wide out from right up the road for me
Speaker 3: here in Nazareth, Pennsylvania. He flipped over from UCLA. The
Speaker 3: most interesting nugget I saw all day regarding Penn State
Speaker 3: came from our friend Bruce Feldman, who said that in
Speaker 3: the previous four years before coach Franklin, Penn State had
Speaker 3: seventeen combined four and five stars signees in the four
Speaker 3: years with Franklin. Penn State now has signed forty five
Speaker 3: four and five star recruits. Say what you want about Franklin,
Speaker 3: but Franklin's been really good at going out getting new
Speaker 3: coordinators when he knew he need to change his system,
Speaker 3: and also building this program somewhat from the ground.
Speaker 1: Up in his image.
Speaker 3: On the recruiting trail, he's been a dogged recruiter and
Speaker 3: he's done a hell of a job. The numbers speak
Speaker 3: for themselves. Forty five Dan.
Speaker 2: Wow, that it is incredible, and the best teams went
Speaker 2: with the best players. That is sort of a reality
Speaker 2: of things. And on the same token, you understand why
Speaker 2: Penn State may have been radioactive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Brian in the end of Joe Pass.
Speaker 2: So certainly, I don't think that's a commentary on what
Speaker 2: Penn State can do to attract And things look as
Speaker 2: good as they can in state college. And I know
Speaker 2: they had a quarterback come in last year, right, not
Speaker 2: in this class, a more of a pro style guy.
Speaker 2: It looks like his name is Sean Clifford, if I'm
Speaker 2: pronouncing that correctly. So, No, it's good times.
Speaker 3: Some other tidbits that I found interesting for the first
Speaker 3: time since twenty thirteen you mentioned Texas and what they're
Speaker 3: doing in the defensive backfield. They signed the top recruit
Speaker 3: in the state of Texas.
Speaker 1: He was a safety.
Speaker 3: But the fact that they're doing it to the first
Speaker 3: time since twenty thirteen is I don't know, what's a
Speaker 3: testament to something. It's a feel good story if you're
Speaker 3: a Texas fan. It's a gentleman by the name of
Speaker 3: bj Foster. He gives them. You know, I guess a
Speaker 3: frontman in their class of right now, what is like
Speaker 3: four safeties, four defensive backs. It's a top five class
Speaker 3: at worst. And I think if you compare that year
Speaker 3: over year. Last year, Texas in a bit of a
Speaker 3: state of flux after they got rid of Charlie Strong
Speaker 3: and hired Tom Herman. Now Tom Herman has a full
Speaker 3: recruiting cycle, and it seems like, again a really good
Speaker 3: class for Texas.
Speaker 1: Yes, looks like an excellent class for Texas. And you're right.
Speaker 2: And I know there have been sort of stories trickling out,
Speaker 2: at least rumors that you know, perhaps Tom Herman's rubbing
Speaker 2: high school coaches and recruits in Texas the wrong way.
Speaker 2: But if you look at his class and worked outracting
Speaker 2: enough talents all right, Notre.
Speaker 3: Dame shamelessly, I need to talk about Notre Dame a
Speaker 3: defensive focus, Okay, I think so far, Houston, Griffith, Derek
Speaker 3: Allen in the defensive backfield, Jack Lamb, Shane Smith, Matthew Bauer,
Speaker 3: some other talent along the linebacking Corps, defensive line, offensive line,
Speaker 3: got two big wide out. The big name to watch
Speaker 3: is going to be Phil Jerkovic. He is the dual
Speaker 3: threat guy that we mentioned on the last show. He's
Speaker 3: from Western PA. A big kid, a little bit of
Speaker 3: a wonky delivery, kind of reminds me of Henry from
Speaker 3: rook of the Year, okay, a little bit, but talented guy,
Speaker 3: a good runner, a good passer.
Speaker 1: He's enrolling early.
Speaker 3: I don't think you'll see him jump up from number
Speaker 3: four on the depth chart to any serious contention with
Speaker 3: Brandon Wimbush.
Speaker 1: But he's an.
Speaker 3: Exciting prospect and a name that I would expect you'd
Speaker 3: hear a lot about before long. Certainly, if it's not
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, then he starts getting mentions for Time
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen. After Wimbush could be an interesting bet for you.
Speaker 2: So we have Avery Davis, Ian Book Ian book number
Speaker 2: docop yep right and Wimbush, you know entrenched. We assume
Speaker 2: as a starter and listen the drive for fifty one
Speaker 2: percent tie.
Speaker 3: It starts today, It starts today. It starts today. Oh okay,
Speaker 3: what else is going on? What other nuggets?
Speaker 2: I would assume Alabama's going to keep building. They got
Speaker 2: a big speed rusher from Baltimore to sort of ink today.
Speaker 2: His name is I am going to screw this up,
Speaker 2: but I think it's Aabbi A no, yeah, sure, from Baltimore,
Speaker 2: a highly coveted defensive end. It looks like a lot
Speaker 2: of defense, especially along the defensive line. Cameron Lattu. I
Speaker 2: know a defensive end from out West in Utahs who's
Speaker 2: pretty well regarded. Tommy Brown, an offensive lineman from out West.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of teams in the Pac twelve
Speaker 2: wanted him. So it looks like a very solid class.
Speaker 2: And honestly, if his class only finishes like number four,
Speaker 2: number five, that's still given the attrition on the coaching
Speaker 2: staff for Alabama these past couple of years, Ray Cristobal losing,
Speaker 2: Jeremy Pruett, Lane Kiffen, and Steve Starkesian like this is
Speaker 2: the fact that they're able to overhaul and the power
Speaker 2: of Alabama and the power of Nick Saban. It shouldn't
Speaker 2: come as a surprise to anybody, but still it's easier
Speaker 2: said than done, and they are consistently doing it.
Speaker 3: They're consistently among the top in the country. I don't
Speaker 3: expect that would change anytime soon. But you did talk
Speaker 3: about coaching attrition, and it was a very active coaching
Speaker 3: carousel this season. Do we have any sen for the
Speaker 3: newer coaches out there now? They fared at least on
Speaker 3: day one of this new signing period.
Speaker 2: Well, we mentioned Dan Mullen and how things seem pretty
Speaker 2: solid in Gainesville Willie Taggart. I would imagine it's sort
Speaker 2: of resting in the weeds right now. Their class is
Speaker 2: very low, but I know they're working on those former
Speaker 2: Oregon commitments from the state of Florida, and it looks
Speaker 2: like at least a couple of them we'll be making
Speaker 2: the switch to Florida state. And I know as of
Speaker 2: the time we're recording this thing, there's a talented safety
Speaker 2: from southern California.
Speaker 1: Who they feel good about. We'll see.
Speaker 2: I think his last name is wood Bay. Jalen would
Speaker 2: Bay maybe and he's also looking at USC and Ohio State.
Speaker 2: So what I would imagine is Willy Taggart is right
Speaker 2: fully so counting on getting a number of visits and
Speaker 2: a lot of time to sway some undecided kids in January,
Speaker 2: maybe a couple more during this signing period. So I
Speaker 2: would imagine it's sort of a distance race right now
Speaker 2: for Florida State. Chip Kelly has managed to hold on
Speaker 2: to at least a couple of big guys at UCLA.
Speaker 2: He got a big receiver from State of Oregon to
Speaker 2: down a couple couple days ago, Chase Coda, who's an
Speaker 2: Oregon legacy, and they flipped a big USC linebacker, Bo
Speaker 2: Calvert linebacker commitment jimbo Fisher at techs A and M.
Speaker 2: It's been sort of an offensive line and receiver focus
Speaker 2: right now. And obviously he's still putting together staff, they're
Speaker 2: still working on bowl preparation whatever, So I imagine he
Speaker 2: will be making an attempt to at least flip or
Speaker 2: get in the ears of a number of kids in
Speaker 2: Texas in January. Mario Christobal a couple of late defensive
Speaker 2: line signings today that were not surprises, I don't think,
Speaker 2: but they committed and signed today. But he was the
Speaker 2: big thing for Crista Ball and his staff aside from
Speaker 2: keeping this staff basically together other than the assistance that
Speaker 2: Willie Tagger brought over from USF, is that he held
Speaker 2: on to a couple of really big fish, including Tyler Shuck,
Speaker 2: who is considered to be and that's how you pronounce
Speaker 2: a ty sho u g h shuck, like what you
Speaker 2: would do to an oyster. Sure, so he's from Arizona
Speaker 2: and the top player there. So a top quarterback decide
Speaker 2: to stay with Oregon. That was a huge need after
Speaker 2: we saw what Oregon did with their backup quarterbacks this
Speaker 2: past year. Chad Morris signed perhaps the best name in
Speaker 2: the twenty eighteen class and it's the best player in
Speaker 2: this class. Bumper cool, Bumper Bumper. The thumper had inside
Speaker 2: linebacker and he has a quarterback in this class, which
Speaker 2: always helps to sort of get a kid from day one.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Pruitt couple blue chip defensive lineman up front. Big
Speaker 2: dudes has a California quarterback coming in not necessarily a
Speaker 2: blue chip, but he has managed.
Speaker 1: To hold on to him. JT.
Speaker 2: Shrout Scott Frost had a late speaking of Tennessee. Blue
Speaker 2: chip quarterback Adrian Martinez, who I actually think is from California,
Speaker 2: had committed to Tennessee and maybe.
Speaker 1: Cal before that. He's coming to Nebraska.
Speaker 2: So Scott Frost gets his blue chip quarterback in a
Speaker 2: solid defensive class and obviously has the assistance coming over
Speaker 2: from UCF. So there is not a lot to learn
Speaker 2: and sort of about working together and recruiting with them.
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards has oh no, don't talk about her not much.
Speaker 3: What is going on at AS So the last time
Speaker 3: I think we talked about Herm Edwards and the ASU debacle,
Speaker 3: ASU sort of bought in to what seems to be
Speaker 3: like a multi level marketing scheme.
Speaker 1: Basically that they had cracked the code.
Speaker 3: They hacked the matrix on a new athletics model, and
Speaker 3: it seemed as if the bedrock of that model was
Speaker 3: bringing in Herm to manage from a higher level, to
Speaker 3: retain the coordinators that were with Todd Graham in twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen and to sort of plot a forward. Well, when
Speaker 3: we last left our heroes, that was the case. Now
Speaker 3: both coordinators are essentially gone and it's looking more and
Speaker 3: more like a bit of a tire fire out there
Speaker 3: in Tempe.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and Todd Graham is still coaching Bowl game the
Speaker 2: last time I checked, So all sorts of weirdness. No,
Speaker 2: it's not a particularly great class. Maybe they finished strong.
Speaker 2: Maybe they identify some diamonds in the rough once they
Speaker 2: get their coordinator situation in order.
Speaker 1: But it was strange herm.
Speaker 2: Edwards spending the final contact week I guess, of the
Speaker 2: recruiting period before signing day, working at ESPN, not making
Speaker 2: in home visits. It was very strange that as soon
Speaker 2: as you're hired, especially with this new early signing day,
Speaker 2: you should be living on a plane. You should be
Speaker 2: living in airports and in living rooms and on rental
Speaker 2: car back seats whatever. And her Edwards was just, you know,
Speaker 2: talk about the NFL on ESPN.
Speaker 3: They out hipstered themselves or something with this decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean everybody's talking about how we ASU is remodeling
Speaker 2: and restructuring to be like an NFL team. They just
Speaker 2: didn't tell everybody it was to be the Brown Brown. Wow,
Speaker 2: they're Cleveland South on a more positive please something. I
Speaker 2: say that just because we admire him from Afar, New
Speaker 2: York's one true team Fordham and of course your alma mater,
Speaker 2: pen States very own. Joe Morehead a very good he's
Speaker 2: He's been able to hold onto a very good wide receipts,
Speaker 2: including the number one Juco receiver in the country, Stephen Gidrey,
Speaker 2: who at one point was going to go to LSU.
Speaker 2: Jalen Maiden, a dual threat quarterback, is going to Mississippi State.
Speaker 2: He of course is the younger brother of I want
Speaker 2: to say, a former alb or not form, but a
Speaker 2: current Alabama corner Jared Maiden. So an intriguing class to
Speaker 2: start things out. We'll see hoping for the best for
Speaker 2: competitive team for Joe Morehead.
Speaker 1: What is it it's.
Speaker 2: More cow bell that we're talking more more cow bell,
Speaker 2: more cow bell. Yeah, that's right, that's what we're.
Speaker 1: Going otherwise around the country. Just in general. Well, any
Speaker 1: thoughts about any of those guys classes.
Speaker 3: It's good to see Joemo holding it together at Mississippi State.
Speaker 3: He's going to be an interesting guy to follow because
Speaker 3: he is so smart with the x's and o's. I
Speaker 3: think he'll give some teams, at least one team, one
Speaker 3: higher level team in the SEC West some trouble come September.
Speaker 2: Yes, Maryland got and this is not a recruit, but
Speaker 2: Byron Cowart, the former number one overall Believe player in
Speaker 2: the twenty I want to say fifteen class who followed
Speaker 2: Will muss Champ from Florida to Auburn for his one
Speaker 2: year as a defensive coordinator is now transferring to Maryland's.
Speaker 2: So I think he's from Florida, went to Auburn, now
Speaker 2: it's transferring to Maryland. And Maryland, by the way, the
Speaker 2: Terps for all their top twenty bitten yet.
Speaker 3: They have a top twenty class right now, could get higher.
Speaker 3: So I saw that I saw in Maryland's. I saw
Speaker 3: Virginia Tech as having a really good class. I saw
Speaker 3: that Minnesota is kind of on the cusp of having
Speaker 3: its first ever top twenty five class now under PJ.
Speaker 1: Fleck.
Speaker 3: So some interesting names and teams to follow as we
Speaker 3: again plot ahead here. It is the early signing period.
Speaker 3: Now there is more recruiting. There will be more announcements,
Speaker 3: certainly when we roll around to February in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: but for now, I think that's a pretty good breakdown
Speaker 3: of what's going on around college football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean USC is sort of lurking on the
Speaker 2: outside there around thirty, but I imagine they're going to
Speaker 2: have a pretty big jump as they closed more and more,
Speaker 2: and certainly they're going to get them later on in
Speaker 2: today and tomorrow, in the following day and in February.
Speaker 2: So I anticipate them say they will close strong. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: and just quickly a note about we said the term
Speaker 2: blue chip and top kid and all these things a lot,
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of people are quick to
Speaker 2: say things like the star rankings don't matter. Look at
Speaker 2: this team and this specific player who is a two
Speaker 2: star and a three star like that. That's fine. There
Speaker 2: are exceptions. But because we've gotten better and better about
Speaker 2: seeing more film and you know, there are more more
Speaker 2: eyes on film because of YouTube and Huddle and all
Speaker 2: these things, that the star rankings have never actually been
Speaker 2: more I would say, more accurate and definitely more thorough.
Speaker 2: And you know our pal button. There's a business around it. Now,
Speaker 2: sure you know there is a business, and we're follow
Speaker 2: the money, right, follow the money. There's more being poured
Speaker 2: into evaluating these kids, and I think as a whole,
Speaker 2: and we've talked to Brandon Hoffman, we talked to Bud Elliott.
Speaker 2: We're gonna put out probably in February, are much awaited
Speaker 2: show on how recruiting works, And in that show we
Speaker 2: talk pretty extensively about why recruiting rankings have gotten much
Speaker 2: more accurate over the last fifteen.
Speaker 1: To twenty years.
Speaker 3: And yeah, a lot of it is because of the
Speaker 3: resource and there's just so much there's such an infrastructure
Speaker 3: around rating these kids that it doesn't matter per se,
Speaker 3: but it's definitely a pretty accurate indication of how someone's
Speaker 3: going to translate to the next level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's more camps, there's seven on seven, there's
Speaker 2: the big you know, the Nike opening out in Portland,
Speaker 2: where you get to see a top offensive lineman from say,
Speaker 2: Tennessee against the top defensive lineman from Utah. Those are
Speaker 2: things because of level of competition at a certain place,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't necessarily always get to see and quickly tie
Speaker 2: blue chips. So four and five star kids are almost
Speaker 2: one thousand percent more likely to be drafted in the
Speaker 2: first round than non blue chips.
Speaker 1: So that's why starts. It's definitely that is more likely.
Speaker 2: Five stars are about thirty three times as likely to
Speaker 2: be all Americans as two stars are, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of two stars, and yet the five stars
Speaker 2: just get those spots, they grab those spots. So and
Speaker 2: national championship wise, and these are teams, you know, the
Speaker 2: teams that we've spent the most time on Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama,
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. These are teams that have been in the
Speaker 2: national championship recently, have won national championships recently. And every
Speaker 2: national champion in the ratings era so since, like Rivals
Speaker 2: and Scout in ESPN and twenty four to seven blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, have put out rankings on everybody. Every national
Speaker 2: champion has had at least fifty percent of their team
Speaker 2: be a blue chip recruit or above. I guess so
Speaker 2: a four or five star. So it's it's the data
Speaker 2: is pretty clear at this point. I think I think
Speaker 2: the data is very clear. Let's leave it at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for recruiting again, this is going to be a
Speaker 3: bit of a fluid situation. It's really only day one
Speaker 3: again of this new early signing period. Much intrigue about
Speaker 3: where it leaves the state of recruiting in college football.
Speaker 3: We'll do our best to cover it along the way here,
Speaker 3: perhaps talk about it next week before we get into
Speaker 3: some of our Bigger Bowl previews. But for now, that
Speaker 3: seems to be the lay of the land. Dan, Before
Speaker 3: we go any further, yes, before we talk about Bowl games,
Speaker 3: Before we talk about Lane Kiffen and his colossal fifty
Speaker 3: to three victory. Just to try and end some of
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Speaker 3: talk about. I want to talk about some of the
Speaker 3: Bowl games that have already taken place. We won't waste
Speaker 3: too much time talking about this, Dan, but as you know, we've.
Speaker 1: Got a bullpool going on.
Speaker 3: We've had what seven games already that have been played.
Speaker 1: We've got one that's going on.
Speaker 3: I think as we speak and record our podcast this evening,
Speaker 3: let me run through those very quickly, because we've.
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Speaker 3: Here is what transpired so far in bowl season. We
Speaker 3: had North Carolina A and T twenty one to fourteen
Speaker 3: over Grambling Boise thirty eight to twenty eight over Oregon.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about the seven turnovers in a minute. Sure,
Speaker 3: Troy wins by twenty fifty to thirty over North Texas.
Speaker 3: Georgia State gets their first bowlwin over Western Kentucky by
Speaker 3: a twenty seven to seventeen final. Marshall wins thirty one
Speaker 3: to twenty eight in a close one over Colorado State,
Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee by five over Arkansas State and the Red Wolves.
Speaker 3: And as I mentioned a few moments ago, Florida Atlantic
Speaker 3: and Lane Kiffen fifty to three over the akron Zips. Okay,
Speaker 3: before we talk about Lane's ten year contract, you want.
Speaker 1: To talk about Cherubundy Tart Cherry's I.
Speaker 3: Want to talk about seven turnovers in the Las Vegas Bowl.
Speaker 1: Sure, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I can't speak in great detail this to this game,
Speaker 2: because that was when Cameron Guy Dave was getting ready,
Speaker 2: and so I was in the room with him and
Speaker 2: his friends, and then the wedding happened, and so I
Speaker 2: was back and forth.
Speaker 1: So this was watched on a TV.
Speaker 2: Part of the time, on my phone part of the time,
Speaker 2: not at all. Part of the time I can tell
Speaker 2: you this, Oregon did not look particularly good. Not sound
Speaker 2: like you missed a whole lot, Dan, No, I missed
Speaker 2: Brett Rippen completing a lot of passes and a couple picks.
Speaker 2: Oregon did a pretty good job against the run. Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert looked just flat, just did not look I mean,
Speaker 2: this was a lot of the Oregon offense. Royce Freeman
Speaker 2: was there but didn't play, which was a little bit strange.
Speaker 2: And Oregon just they couldn't run it at all. They
Speaker 2: kept going three and out. I'm not going to ask
Speaker 2: you to play the music because it hurts me so
Speaker 2: much about, you know, the drive performances of Oregon. But
Speaker 2: if you look at the chart, I'm seeing punt punt, fumble, fumble, punt, interception, reception, fumble, punt,
Speaker 2: punt punt to start out their first nine or ten drives.
Speaker 2: So it maybe it was a literal hangover for Oregon.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was getting used tomorrow Christobal, But the fact
Speaker 2: of the matter remains from Justin Herbert on down, this
Speaker 2: was was a pretty ugly performance.
Speaker 3: Though.
Speaker 2: I will say, Ty, you say Oregon lost by ten,
Speaker 2: but I see Oregon's offense and Oregon's defense all knotted
Speaker 2: up at fourteen because Oregon's offense only scored fourteen two
Speaker 2: quick defensive touchdowns before halftime or else this game would
Speaker 2: have been superbly ugly for the Ducks. So great win
Speaker 2: from Boise State. Brett Reppin was really good. The defense
Speaker 2: they kept showing Boise's middle linebacker it seemed like a
Speaker 2: thousand times and you know rightfully so he was very good.
Speaker 2: But good win for Boise to finish out the year
Speaker 2: winning their conference and beating a major team.
Speaker 3: And on the Florida Atlantic front, I mentioned Lane Kiffin
Speaker 3: now has a ten year contract with FA. We don't
Speaker 3: know what his buyout is yet, but what it amounts
Speaker 3: to is basically, FA you will take him as coach
Speaker 3: for as long as he wants to stay in Boca,
Speaker 3: and that's fine.
Speaker 1: Under bucks yeah, undred bucks. I mean, look, this was
Speaker 1: a pretty good year for Florida Atlantic. Yeh.
Speaker 3: They obviously win the bowl game, finished with what eleven
Speaker 3: wins something crazy. This was a good year for Lane Kiffin.
Speaker 3: I don't know if and when he'll move on. At
Speaker 3: some point he probably will. A ten year contract that
Speaker 3: keeps him there through twenty twenty seven is certainly a
Speaker 3: bit of a leap of faith.
Speaker 1: However, when you're FAU.
Speaker 3: You gotta try stuff, and I admire it. He did
Speaker 3: a good job this season. In the bowl game went
Speaker 3: forward a bunch on fourth down, was trying to I
Speaker 3: guess get back at what was it the ad for Akron,
Speaker 3: whom Lane claimed had some trash talk for the Owls, Owls,
Speaker 3: Owls fifty to three was your final score?
Speaker 1: Yeah, they finished the season winning what ten straight games
Speaker 1: after losing a cup. I mean to you know, Navy
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin and the Buffalo loss is sort of inexcusable.
Speaker 1: But yeah, hell of a year for FAU.
Speaker 2: And at some point some team, be it at a
Speaker 2: bigger group of five place or a power five place,
Speaker 2: will know perhaps the Lane Kiffin is not healthy for them, but.
Speaker 1: They just have that craving tie.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lane Kiffin will end up somewhere all right.
Speaker 4: On that note again, the week at long last, we
Speaker 4: get to our bowl previews, Dan, Yeah, we've got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,
Speaker 4: nine to ten games to discuss here this evening.
Speaker 3: Hope everyone's doing well in their bowl pool. Perhaps on
Speaker 3: our next show we'll give everyone an update as to
Speaker 3: where the standings are in our confidence pool for.
Speaker 1: Now, though.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the Foster Farms Bowl. They played this
Speaker 3: one in Levi's Stadium in Santa Clara, California. Is played
Speaker 3: on December twenty seventh at eight thirty pm on Fox.
Speaker 1: It is a close matchup.
Speaker 3: And I say close because the Arizona Wildcats are only
Speaker 3: about a field goal favorite over the perdu A boiler Makers. Daniel,
Speaker 3: what is our gift situation for the Foster Farms Bowl time?
Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked, so perdue players Arizona players be
Speaker 2: walking away with a fossil Watch solid Yeah, Sony XB
Speaker 2: nine fifty and one on extra based noise canceling headphones.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a mouthful.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great gift. I would love to
Speaker 2: have that, especially big Bluetooth here, big Bluetooth year if
Speaker 2: you're a Purdue player got a long flight on back
Speaker 2: to Indiana.
Speaker 1: Sony headphone sound like a good thing to.
Speaker 2: Have a timbuckto backpack, ty, I have a timbucktoo, messenger
Speaker 2: bag really and it's downright, it's indestructible.
Speaker 1: It's a good bag. I gotta tell you. Good bag. Coin.
Speaker 2: So there's that a coin coin coin it just says
Speaker 2: the word coin, not bit, just a regular coin, regular
Speaker 2: ass coin. And this game is it's Santa Clair, right,
Speaker 2: It's not San Francisco Levi's State By Stadium, which is
Speaker 2: a bit of a bummer. I'd much rather played at
Speaker 2: and T good garlic fries and a twenty five dollars
Speaker 2: Apple iTunes gift card. So okay, I'm thinking this isn't
Speaker 2: like the B plus A minus rank not bad.
Speaker 3: It's not bad at all. This is a potentially fun game.
Speaker 3: Everyone knows about Khalil Tait. He's gonna have a hard
Speaker 3: time running in this game if he brings his arm.
Speaker 3: The arm could be a problem for Purdue. Purdue has
Speaker 3: not been great against the pass, but perdue very quietly
Speaker 3: a top thirty defense sort of been my pet team
Speaker 3: all year. They've not disappointed me, unlike Notre Dame. I
Speaker 3: didn't really have any expectations for Purdue right, and therefore
Speaker 3: I've never been disappointed by them the entire year through.
Speaker 1: So I'm inclined to go Purdue.
Speaker 3: Here plus the points, let's take him outright to the
Speaker 3: tune of twenty confidence points.
Speaker 1: Whooa Tyler, I dig it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arizona, they had the big win against Wazoo, but
Speaker 2: aside from that, there was nothing that big. The loss
Speaker 2: to ASU in the Territorial Cup was not great. You
Speaker 2: mentioned Khalil Tate. The rest of the backfield's wonderful. The
Speaker 2: defense is pretty bad, but they do a good job
Speaker 2: keeping bigger passes in front. But that's not how perdue wins.
Speaker 2: You know, Purdue had, you know, losing to Rutgers in Nebraska.
Speaker 2: Not a great way to sort of back half of
Speaker 2: the season. You know, they had good wins against Ohio,
Speaker 2: do in Iowa, in Indiana early on. But yeah, you're right,
Speaker 2: that defense is great, especially against the run, just completely
Speaker 2: lights out, and they did. They ran pretty well, so
Speaker 2: I with the ability to run and stop the run,
Speaker 2: I think Purdue is in a good position. I like
Speaker 2: the Boilers here, not as confident because I think Khalil
Speaker 2: Tate can bust something or six. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: Purdue with about a thirteen to fourteen confidence level.
Speaker 3: I'm feeling confident in Purdue in their defense and in
Speaker 3: my boy Elijah Sindelar Cindela. I'm going Purdue here. I
Speaker 3: think the sindelarity happens in this game. It's Cinularity. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thank you. Let's go Purdue outright. We agree, we let's go.
Speaker 2: To the Academy Sports and Outdoors Texas Bowl.
Speaker 3: That's a weird sponsor, Dan.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't sound like they probably had to pay
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 3: Academy Sports and Outdoors Texas Bowl in the nurg Energy
Speaker 3: Stadium in Houston. Also on December twenty seventh, this one
Speaker 3: at nine pm on ESPN. We've got the Misura Tigers
Speaker 3: a three point favorite over the Texas Longhorns.
Speaker 1: Dan, what's the gift situation here? Please? I had to
Speaker 1: learn what Academy Sports was.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like somewhere between a Dick's Sporting Goods
Speaker 2: and a Cabella's Sporting Goods hunting stuff kind of thing
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: There's a gift.
Speaker 2: Suite Academy Sports, an outdoors gift card which seems pretty good,
Speaker 2: seems relevant, Adidas Duffel bag and a belt buckle.
Speaker 3: They're doing the Texas thing, aren't they?
Speaker 1: The I thing?
Speaker 2: If it's just like the buckle is some sort of
Speaker 2: like the Texas Star or something like that, that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: If it's an Academy Sports logo, nobody's gonna wear that.
Speaker 3: Where would you wear a Texas belt buckle right now
Speaker 3: in your everyday life?
Speaker 1: Would you wear that to work?
Speaker 2: If it were like a star or like some sort
Speaker 2: of horns, some sort of cowboy type thing, you would
Speaker 2: wear that with your cowboy boots to work. I probably
Speaker 2: would not. Maybe I would wear it to something like
Speaker 2: the Piesmen as just sort of a goof. But I
Speaker 2: don't see myself wearing I think a belt buckle would
Speaker 2: overwhelm my pretty weak waist, so.
Speaker 3: I would agree with that. Yeah, mind as well. So Dan, Look,
Speaker 3: this game is in Texas, which means it's a virtual
Speaker 3: home game. It's called the Texas Bowl for crying out loud,
Speaker 3: so at least that I think favors the Longhorns. But
Speaker 3: while nobody was paying attention, Missouri was ripping off six
Speaker 3: in a row. They close out the year. They put
Speaker 3: an offense together forty three touchdowns for Drew Locke at quarterback,
Speaker 3: a good rushing attack with ish witter Jamon Moore as
Speaker 3: the senior leader on an otherwise young wide receiving corps.
Speaker 1: There was a lot to like there.
Speaker 3: However, if the boys in the truck could could just
Speaker 3: lay down that bed of classical music for.
Speaker 1: Me, yeah. Oh wow, Dan.
Speaker 3: Here's the S and P rank of each of the
Speaker 3: teams that Missouri beat this season.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Not ranked ninety eight one, nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: One oh seven, eighty one, ninety two.
Speaker 3: Not the toughest of competition there in their seven victories
Speaker 3: that I.
Speaker 1: Just describe and not their fault, not their fault. Necessarily,
Speaker 1: they beat who was in front of them in the
Speaker 1: second half of the year. But you're right, Vanderbilt was
Speaker 1: their signature wave.
Speaker 3: They played three teams inside the top forty, and they
Speaker 3: got mulled by all of them. I am absolutely going
Speaker 3: to take Texas in this football games home game. I
Speaker 3: don't feel superbly confident about it, but quite honestly, I
Speaker 3: backed myself into a corner with some of my other
Speaker 3: confidence picks. So we're gonna go Texas. We're gonna stand
Speaker 3: by them outright, and we're just gonna go with twenty
Speaker 3: one confidence points on it.
Speaker 2: I just agree, mostly because Texas's big win was Iowa
Speaker 2: State with Jacob park by not a lot, West Virginia
Speaker 2: with mostly no Will Greer, Kansas State.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't love Texas. They finished the season losing to
Speaker 2: Texas Tech. Relative to their talents, that offense was kind
Speaker 2: of a nightmare. I don't know who's starting at quarterback
Speaker 2: in this game. The defense was terrific, particularly against the run.
Speaker 2: Their past defense was good, but really they were led
Speaker 2: by their rush defense. Missouri is gonna throw the ball
Speaker 2: around a ton and I listen, their past d is
Speaker 2: not bad. Missouri's their rush. They could not stop the run.
Speaker 2: Texas couldn't run the ball. That sort of cancels everything out.
Speaker 2: So probably me, it's a definite problem. I think I
Speaker 2: like Drew Locke. I think I like the Misszuo momentum,
Speaker 2: the mizentum. So I think I'm gonna go Miszoo here.
Speaker 2: Not with a lot of confidence picks, but upper teens,
Speaker 2: maybe seventeen eighteen points.
Speaker 1: I'm going to MISSOI we disagree. Let's move on. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about the Military Bowl. Up.
Speaker 2: Got one thing because this is a podcast for service.
Speaker 2: If you are going to this game, if you're going
Speaker 2: to be in Houston, Houston's an outstanding food city, you
Speaker 2: should eat everything you can possibly eat. My recommendation maybe
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Speaker 2: Hugo go to Hugos, So friggin' great.
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the Military Bowl presented by Northrop.
Speaker 3: Is it grummin or Grumman? I always get the rumming, grumming.
Speaker 3: It's a second em in there, huh. They play it
Speaker 3: at Memorial Stadium in Annapolis. They play it on December
Speaker 3: twenty eighth at one point thirty in the PM Eastern
Speaker 3: standard Eastern daylight time, whatever it is on ESPN Standard.
Speaker 1: I believe we're in right now.
Speaker 3: We've got Virginia about a one one and a half
Speaker 3: point favorite over the Navy midshipmen, who are again playing
Speaker 3: a home game. The numbers dan They say that this
Speaker 3: one is just about dead even I guess it favors
Speaker 3: Navy that they're playing on their home turf. Does the
Speaker 3: gift situation give us any kind of lean here?
Speaker 2: So we have a Rockham socks package and under armour
Speaker 2: beanie and backpack under armour of course, based in Maryland,
Speaker 2: so that sort of makes sense, and I imagine it
Speaker 2: will be cold, so that at least seems thoughtful.
Speaker 1: But that's all I have listed.
Speaker 3: So no Lean from the gifts, huh.
Speaker 1: No real lean from the gifts now, not that I
Speaker 1: can see.
Speaker 3: Virginia played Georgia Tech earlier in the year, back at
Speaker 3: the beginning of November. They won that game forty to
Speaker 3: thirty six over the Yellow Jackets. At a minimum, we
Speaker 3: know that they can handle a marginally better version of
Speaker 3: the Navy offense. And I think when you consider the
Speaker 3: fact that the Navy defense is the sided garbage, Wow,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Virginia here, I'm gonna go Virginia. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go out right, I'm gonna go to the tune
Speaker 3: of twenty two confidence points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's certainly a choice. I think I'm going to disagree. So, yes,
Speaker 2: Navy did lose to Army. Navy did finish the season what,
Speaker 2: losing five of six. Yeah, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 2: I think Virginia also ended the season lose.
Speaker 1: Did they also lose five of six to finish the year?
Speaker 2: They got shut out to end the year, They did
Speaker 2: get shut out by Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: They got walloped ten.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 2: To me, these teams seem relatively even. I think Virginia
Speaker 2: has the advantage with Kurt Bankert throwing against a extraordinarily
Speaker 2: bad pass defense from Navy. But Navy was pretty good
Speaker 2: against the run. Virginia can't really run it, so who
Speaker 2: knows what that actually means. But I think the best
Speaker 2: thing in this game is probably still to me, even
Speaker 2: seeing the first two and a half quarters of kur
Speaker 2: Bankert versus versus Miami, which was certainly impressive, is zach Aby.
Speaker 2: He's a machine. I like him on the grounds. I
Speaker 2: like the fact that it's a home game. I don't
Speaker 2: fully trust Virginia's defense. They gave up a lot of
Speaker 2: big runs this year, so I'm gonna go with Navy.
Speaker 2: I'm going Navy at home.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting, Yeah, So in twenty twenty two, somewhere in there.
Speaker 3: The Camping World Bowl is up next. It's also on
Speaker 3: December the twenty eighth, This one at five point fifteen.
Speaker 3: They played in Camping World Stadium in Orlando, Florida. It's
Speaker 3: on ESPN if you want to watch. It's Oklahoma State
Speaker 3: a four and a half point favorite over Virginia tech Den.
Speaker 3: What kind of gifts do they give from Camping World.
Speaker 3: I would think like a lot of portable canteens and tents,
Speaker 3: things of that.
Speaker 2: Like I'm seeing a timely watch company watch. Fine, okay,
Speaker 2: you can use that when you go camp can you
Speaker 2: start a fire with that. Yeah, I guess you could
Speaker 2: reflect sunlight off the face if.
Speaker 1: You really knew what you were doing right up?
Speaker 2: Sure, and four hundred damn dollars to Best Buy. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'll take that. I will happily take that. See now,
Speaker 2: Camping World is a place. It's a retailer, right, I
Speaker 2: think why it sounds right? Why does Camping World give
Speaker 2: a four hundred dollars gift card out to a place
Speaker 2: other than Camping World?
Speaker 1: It's a good question.
Speaker 2: You got to find some thing to entertain yourself with
Speaker 2: while you're camping. So maybe you buy some I don't know,
Speaker 2: a bluetooth speaker to listen out nature. Maybe you buy
Speaker 2: yourself some CDs.
Speaker 1: Do CDs still exist? I have no ight. Maybe they could.
Speaker 2: You could buy a lot of things. I don't know,
Speaker 2: washing machine.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Four hundred dollars isn't bad, though, the Best Buy out.
Speaker 1: I'd rather have. I'd rather have Best Buy. I'm not
Speaker 1: questioning that.
Speaker 3: I am legit interested in this football game because there
Speaker 3: is definitely a strength on strength component in Oklahoma State's
Speaker 3: offense against a really good, really legit Virginia Tech defense.
Speaker 3: What troubles me though, is when you look at Virginia
Speaker 3: Tech's offense, not any team out there can beat Pitt
Speaker 3: by only six Not only team out there can beat
Speaker 3: Virginia by a ten to zero margin to close out
Speaker 3: the year, rivalry or not. I don't know how many
Speaker 3: points they can score on Oklahoma State because there's a
Speaker 3: better chance than not that Oklahoma State is going to
Speaker 3: score at least what twenty eight. I don't care how
Speaker 3: good the Tech defense is. How many points can Virginia
Speaker 3: Tech score on offense because they've been somewhat lousy all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now no Cam Phillips. They're a leading receiver.
Speaker 2: He is out injured, so not playing in this game,
Speaker 2: not having the big weapon for Josh X, and especially
Speaker 2: when Virginia Tech could really run the ball with much consistency,
Speaker 2: that's hurtful. Tie, that is hurtful. We saw Oklahoma States
Speaker 2: score points against pretty much the best teams on their
Speaker 2: schedule other than you know, that weird Texas overtime game
Speaker 2: in which they won thirteen to ten. But other than that,
Speaker 2: if they did one thing well was score.
Speaker 1: It was moved.
Speaker 2: The ball got a little ugly at times, and games
Speaker 2: like West Virginia, but they're able to turn it on late.
Speaker 2: I listen, the strength on the strength thing is very real.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if Oklahoma State had any one
Speaker 2: big signature win Iowa State late, Texas Tech late, I
Speaker 2: don't know, but they sort of go as their running
Speaker 2: backs go. Justice Hill had a mostly very good year.
Speaker 2: You know, passing game was just absurd, and Virginia Tech's defense,
Speaker 2: especially against the run, was great, which makes me think
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech has a chance. But ultimately you're right, I
Speaker 2: don't know how they consistently moved the ball. They generated
Speaker 2: some big plays, but you know, to just go drive
Speaker 2: to drive, moving the ball down the field, putting themselves
Speaker 2: in position to score. They certainly took a step back
Speaker 2: from where they were in twenty sixteen. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to Oklahoma State just because I don't know if point
Speaker 2: for point Virginia Tech can be there.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go Oklahoma State. I'm going to lay
Speaker 3: the four and a half. I'm going to take them
Speaker 3: out right to the tune of thirty five confidence points.
Speaker 1: I was about twenty eight, twenty nine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel pretty good about this one. Okay, let's
Speaker 3: move on to another game. On December of the twenty eighth,
Speaker 3: at nine pm on ESPN YEP, between.
Speaker 1: TCU and Stanford.
Speaker 3: TCU a two and a half point favorite in the
Speaker 3: Valero Alamo Bowl. They played in the Alamo Dome in
Speaker 3: San Antonio, Texas. Dan, let's finish strong here. Okay, if
Speaker 3: you're me, let's pick against TCU for just one more
Speaker 3: game this season?
Speaker 1: Shall we listen? That's a choice. You can make sure.
Speaker 1: We had a very public breakup back in September.
Speaker 2: I stayed friends with TCU. I don't know if that's awkward,
Speaker 2: but like, we're still cool.
Speaker 3: It's it's really no way to live having the paparazzi
Speaker 3: set up across the street day in and day out.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm holding firm. I am gonna go Stanford here.
Speaker 3: I am not at all confident, I am not at
Speaker 3: all interested in watching this football game. So I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go Stanford to the tune of six confidence points. I
Speaker 3: think probably a three point game one way or the other.
Speaker 3: And I just like Bryce Love more than I do
Speaker 3: anything on the TCU side, more than I do Ken Hill,
Speaker 3: more than I do Gary Patterson or the TCU defense.
Speaker 3: Let's just go Stanford. Let's hold our nose and go
Speaker 3: with the cardinal.
Speaker 1: Is he playing Bryce Love? I mean, I honestly don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe, as far as I can tell, maybe, Yeah, so certainly.
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey didn't play in his final game, but always
Speaker 2: sort of understand running backs, especially one like Bryce Love
Speaker 2: who has NFL potential to succeed given he was the
Speaker 2: clear best home run hitter in college football this season.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with TCU here because Stanford is like
Speaker 2: squarely like they're clearly the twenty eighth best team in
Speaker 2: the country or the you know, the twentieth best team whatever.
Speaker 2: They do everything all right, other than Bryce Love. That
Speaker 2: was their offense. Bryce Love was their offense. They don't
Speaker 2: have a bad loss on their schedule. They didn't sort
Speaker 2: of have an off week and lose to a team
Speaker 2: like I don't know, Oregon right were down or Arizona
Speaker 2: State or something like that.
Speaker 3: Stanford's like buying an Amazon Basics branded office chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 3: It'll it'll it'll go up and down, but it won't recline.
Speaker 3: It's just the basics, just the bare minimum that you
Speaker 3: need to get by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a club Sandwich. Nobody has ever said
Speaker 2: you have to go out of your way and stop
Speaker 2: your roadchip and drive forty five miles off the interstate
Speaker 2: for this club Sandwich, and that's fine. Club Sandwich, always solid,
Speaker 2: always good, always a great option. Stanford, their defense was
Speaker 2: surprisingly pretty average, especially against the run this year, but
Speaker 2: they did have the benefit of the offense just sitting
Speaker 2: on the ball, so this was a well rested defense.
Speaker 2: I assume nothing will change against TCU, who, of course
Speaker 2: speed Oklahoma State. They beat Texas, they lost in supremely
Speaker 2: ugly fashion to Iowa State. They mostly ran the ball
Speaker 2: pretty well with Darius Anderson and Kyle Hicks. Ken Hill
Speaker 2: most certainly took a step forward this year, even though
Speaker 2: he finished the season in kind of disappointing fashion. This
Speaker 2: was still a crazy good defense. Little leaky in the back,
Speaker 2: but that's Stanford's not the team to take advantage. I
Speaker 2: think the best thing in this game, especially considering we
Speaker 2: don't know what to expect out of Bryce Love and
Speaker 2: his usage, is the TCU defense. So I'm rolling with
Speaker 2: the Frogs because I am an Oregon fan, and what
Speaker 2: I have learned is not to bet against TCU in
Speaker 2: San Antonio.
Speaker 1: It's still its tie.
Speaker 3: What's our gift situation here at the Alamobile.
Speaker 2: We have let me load it up real quick, Tie,
Speaker 2: because I was looking up things that made me sad.
Speaker 1: An Amazon Echo show. I'm out, what is the show? Show?
Speaker 1: It's it's got the little video monitor.
Speaker 2: H Okay, it'll show you things the one. It's one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five dollars Amazon gift card. Okay, that's
Speaker 2: I mean, that's significant. You've get a lot of things
Speaker 2: on Amazon. We got a couple Jody with an eye
Speaker 2: and I had a couple of gifts at our wedding
Speaker 2: that were just like, yeah, here's like a thousand bucks
Speaker 2: to Amazon, and I'll tell you something, Tie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nothing made me happier, that'll work right. Nothing made me
Speaker 2: happy living that prime life. Baby fossil watch a mini helmet.
Speaker 2: Some Rockham socks rock them really with a strong presence.
Speaker 3: This year they should send us some. We would wear them.
Speaker 3: Come on, rom I.
Speaker 2: Would one wear the beautiful organ duck socks, those those
Speaker 2: Nitney Lion socks for Penn State.
Speaker 3: I think I'd be the name of Rockham socks earlier.
Speaker 3: But I would we take it back? Yeah, I take
Speaker 3: it back. I'd be willing to give them a try our.
Speaker 1: Feet are cold and a team panoramic photo. Okay, so yeah,
Speaker 1: not bad, not bad? All right?
Speaker 2: No where to eat in San Antonio, I apologize, but yeah,
Speaker 2: that's cool.
Speaker 3: The San Diego County Credit Union Holiday Bowl.
Speaker 2: This is my favorite game, not the matchup. This is
Speaker 2: my favorite bowl game I've attended played.
Speaker 1: Who would have guessed?
Speaker 3: In San Diego at San Diego County Credit.
Speaker 1: Union Stadium, it's all happening.
Speaker 3: Who knew that the Credit Union had all this damn money?
Speaker 2: Where does so? Where does the Rose Bowl play? What
Speaker 2: stadium they play at? The Rose Roads in?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, there just aren't as many syllables. It's the
Speaker 3: San Diego County Credit Union Stadium.
Speaker 2: Do we no longer have the point Setia Bowl to that?
Speaker 2: By the wayside, it's gone, so so the Credit Union
Speaker 2: just moved on up.
Speaker 1: Full disclosure.
Speaker 3: I was all sorts of mixed up when I was
Speaker 3: going through making my list and I jotted down San
Speaker 3: Diego County credit Union point.
Speaker 1: Setia Bowl just out of raw happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I had to go back and double
Speaker 3: take it and triple take it, and yeah, no more
Speaker 3: points Setia Bowl. Enter the Holiday Bowl. San Diego County
Speaker 3: Credit Union. I guess upgrading here getting a game this
Speaker 3: year on December of the twenty eighth at nine pm
Speaker 3: onter FS one between the Washington State squad led by
Speaker 3: Mike Leach and Michigan State led by one Mark D'Antonio.
Speaker 3: Wazoo is a three point favorite. As you mentioned, this
Speaker 3: game is usually a lot of fun. I think there
Speaker 3: are many reasons why this one could be as well.
Speaker 3: Let's start with the gifts. What's our gift situation.
Speaker 2: Gift situation is as follows for the Santigo Crowny Credit
Speaker 2: Union Holiday Bowl gift suite, Fossil Watch, Ogio backpack.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's it. That's it. That's all I'm saying here.
Speaker 3: Okay, a low interest rate mortgage or something. If you're
Speaker 3: interested as well, I've got Wazoo to the tune of
Speaker 3: seven confidence points. I don't have much confidence in this. Originally,
Speaker 3: you might remember, I was all in on Wazoo. Initially,
Speaker 3: I was all in on them. Now I'm gonna walk
Speaker 3: it back a little because the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: and you know, I'm right, this is like one hundred
Speaker 3: and ninety percent the kind of game that Michigan State
Speaker 3: wins in the ugliest possible fashion. Oh absolutely, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go into the grain of that here. I'm gonna stick
Speaker 3: with Wazoo because they were pretty good this season, especially
Speaker 3: on defense. I don't think this is the Wazoo that
Speaker 3: we've seen in the past where they go up against
Speaker 3: a good defense and automatically they're shut down. They can
Speaker 3: also play defense, and Michigan State has struggled offensively. So
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Wazoo. But I think all told a
Speaker 3: fun game, a good one to watch, as the Holiday
Speaker 3: Bowl usually is. But let's go Wazoo.
Speaker 2: One of the three or four games that's not on
Speaker 2: the ESPN family of networks, this is a Fox game.
Speaker 1: So maybe Gus Johnson will be calling this game. I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what his basketball responsibilities are. And by
Speaker 2: the way, I just remembered something when we were talking
Speaker 2: about the point Setia Bowl. I believe it was the
Speaker 2: point Setia Bowl between San Diego State and Navy.
Speaker 1: Was that the one with that flooding. I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: like the morning of like Bowl officials like, ooh, so
Speaker 1: the field and stadium might be flooded.
Speaker 3: We have four inches of water on the plane, sir.
Speaker 1: This we are.
Speaker 2: We are up to our shids. So may may the
Speaker 2: point Setia Bowl rest in peace. It's in the same stadium.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there will be Pacific Life commercials.
Speaker 2: I miss you know, the whale, No whale, Hopefully there are.
Speaker 2: I have Michigan State here. I think their defense and
Speaker 2: as good as Washington State's defense also clearly is with
Speaker 2: or without Alex Grinch. Moving forward, we'll see, but he'll
Speaker 2: at least be coaching in this game. I think Michigan
Speaker 2: State's defense, the fact that Brian Lawurki was pretty accurate,
Speaker 2: pretty efficient, didn't throw down field a ton, although Ben
Speaker 2: State fans might disagree with the downfield assessment because he
Speaker 2: hit some big ones in that game. Michigan State, of
Speaker 2: course beat Michigan, Iowa and Penn State. They didn't have
Speaker 2: a bad loss, even though they had ugly losses like
Speaker 2: to Notre Dame and the triple overtime once in Northwestern
Speaker 2: was pretty heartbreaking and just the murderous rampage that Ohio
Speaker 2: State went on. They didn't lose to a bad team,
Speaker 2: so that's at least a positive from where they were
Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. They couldn't really run, which is a
Speaker 2: little bit surprising. But yeah, the conservative passing game and
Speaker 2: really good defense mostly worked for Michigan State. Wazoo took
Speaker 2: a step back offensively even with the win over USC
Speaker 2: and a shorthanded Oregon. It was I think a pretty
Speaker 2: disappointing year all in all for Luke Fox, who got
Speaker 2: benched a couple of times. But yeah, that defense was
Speaker 2: flat out awesome this year. Hercules Matava was the best
Speaker 2: defensive player in the Pac twelve. So I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit more confident in Michigan State, as you said, perhaps
Speaker 2: winning ugly seventeen sixteen type thing, maybe mid twenties confidence.
Speaker 3: Right now, we must move quickly through the final four
Speaker 3: bowls that we have on the slate here.
Speaker 1: This evening a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of a longer show. Thank you for hanging
Speaker 3: with us. Had a bunch of recruiting stuff to talk about,
Speaker 3: some other bull results that we needed to recap very quickly.
Speaker 3: It is ultimately free content.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you're listening to the show in an
Speaker 2: airport or on a plane right now, remember to hydrate
Speaker 2: when you're traveling. Stay hydrated. It'll it'll help your mood.
Speaker 2: I know, things are getting rough, stay hydrated, to get
Speaker 2: some caffeine. Happy to be here with you for the ride.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Belk Bowl.
Speaker 3: They play it at Bank of America Stadium in Charlotte,
Speaker 3: North Carolina. It's on December the twenty ninth at one
Speaker 3: pm on ESPM. We've got Wake Forest and the Wolford
Speaker 3: Wagon A three point, pretty much home favorite now Oliver
Speaker 3: Texas A and M. Keep in mind that A and
Speaker 3: M lost their coach. They did get Jimbo Fisher. But
Speaker 3: you know how I feel about teams when they lose
Speaker 3: their coach. So I'm naturally inclined to go with Wake
Speaker 3: Forest here to the tune of twenty five confidence points. Dan,
Speaker 3: you know I've been a big fan of the Wolford
Speaker 3: Wagon all season. Sure, I don't know if A and
Speaker 3: M cares at all about this game, so my inclination
Speaker 3: is go Wake I'm coming in heavy with twenty five
Speaker 3: confidence points. What's our gift situation?
Speaker 2: Shopping trip to the Nordstrom department Belk department stores. I
Speaker 2: don't even know if there is a Nordstrom in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Maybe there is Fossil Watch getting in on the action.
Speaker 1: That's it. That is it? And once again, ty if
Speaker 1: I may, if you are going to the Belk Bowl
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be in Charlotte, may I recommend Futo
Speaker 1: Bhuta Ramen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We had some people that went to the a SEC
Speaker 2: Championship game that reported back and supposedly one of them
Speaker 2: played our show.
Speaker 1: Did you see this? I did?
Speaker 2: Yeah, played our show talking about this ramin spot, which
Speaker 2: we cannot stress enough does not pay us a single sentence, Nope,
Speaker 2: to talk about how delicious are organic? This is all organic,
Speaker 2: but we do expect a lot of free roman if
Speaker 2: either one of us, if we ever go to North
Speaker 2: Carolina gout saying we love this place anyway. Yeah, those
Speaker 2: are the two items, And I think you hit the
Speaker 2: nail on the head. I'm going wake here. They had
Speaker 2: nice wins this year. They beat Louisville, they beat NC State,
Speaker 2: The Wolford wagon was rolling when he was healthy, decent
Speaker 2: defense despite the loss of Mike Galko. So I'm going
Speaker 2: wake here. I know even with text say and I
Speaker 2: didn't really have a bad loss after that UCLA game
Speaker 2: to like a bad team on their schedule. Once Nick
Speaker 2: Starkle came back, it was sort of a different dynamic
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm going wake here.
Speaker 3: Moving on, Let's go to the Hyundai Sun Bowl. They
Speaker 3: play this one in the Sun Bowl Dan they do
Speaker 3: So Texas, December of the twenty nine to three.
Speaker 1: Pm on CBS.
Speaker 3: We've got North Carolina State the Wolfpack, a six and
Speaker 3: a half half point favorite over new look, new model,
Speaker 3: cracking the coaching administrative matrix that is Arizona State.
Speaker 1: Arizona State lost their.
Speaker 3: Coach and they are, as we've mentioned time and time again,
Speaker 3: they're currently embroiled in this very weird, odd coaching transition.
Speaker 3: None of us has ever seen anything quite like this.
Speaker 3: But you said earlier that Todd Graham's going to coach the.
Speaker 1: Bull game, right, he is his final game with the Devils.
Speaker 3: So we've got two equal and opposite forces at play here.
Speaker 3: We've got perhaps players trying to send out Todd Graham
Speaker 3: on a high note, but we've got most of them
Speaker 3: probably playing in a game they couldn't care less about.
Speaker 3: North Carolina State, on the other hand, I think wants
Speaker 3: to close out the year strong. I think they're trying
Speaker 3: to build for the future, and there's too much uncertainty
Speaker 3: the whole Arizona State thing that I think senior leadership
Speaker 3: on the part of Ryan Finley and others at North
Speaker 3: Carolina State will take over. I like them here to
Speaker 3: the tune of thirty confidence points, Stan See, I was right.
Speaker 1: There with you before.
Speaker 2: I remembered a certain thing, and that is that I
Speaker 2: am very bad at picking games. And my guy, I
Speaker 2: think this is a good Costanza game, Kastancy. Remember your
Speaker 2: Costan's a theory of you know everything that you feel,
Speaker 2: everything that your gut tells you to follow the exact opposite.
Speaker 3: The opposite must be true if the opposite must be true,
Speaker 3: Sam and swim up the stream right. Absolutely, to me,
Speaker 3: it's NC State is solid. They're the type of team
Speaker 3: that beats teams that have cracks. They have an efficient
Speaker 3: senior quarterback who doesn't screw up a whole lot. They've
Speaker 3: got good skill talent. They've got a great edge rusher.
Speaker 3: They just sort of have their act together. In Arizona State,
Speaker 3: they have this lame duck coach who has already been fired.
Speaker 3: There is something about Arizona State being such a bad
Speaker 3: pick that I can't stop loving. Wow, I can't stop loving.
Speaker 3: They have a really good receiver in the kil Harry Right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Their defense struggled a bit against the run, but it's
Speaker 3: not like NC State is this huge running team. I
Speaker 3: like to Mario Richard, he's a pretty good running back.
Speaker 3: The offense was fine this year.
Speaker 2: They beat They were like, I don't know, they were
Speaker 2: maybe three and a half plays from going nine and three.
Speaker 3: We were really excited about ASU for a moment in
Speaker 3: time this season.
Speaker 2: Sure, they beat Oregon, fully healthy Oregon. They beat Washington,
Speaker 2: they beat Utah, Arizona the territorial. If you had told
Speaker 2: me before the season, Arizona State is beating Oregon, Washington.
Speaker 1: Utah, Arizona.
Speaker 2: That feels like such a successful year. And I get
Speaker 2: the Todd Graham things.
Speaker 1: Is such a bad pick. I love it. It's tantalizing.
Speaker 1: Tie wow.
Speaker 2: I mean that's also the Costanza thing right where yeah,
Speaker 2: he couldn't help but be in love with a woman
Speaker 2: who hated his guts.
Speaker 3: All Right, I'm gonna go n C State here, But
Speaker 3: I love the cut of your jib on this one, Dan.
Speaker 1: I really do. I'm going Arizona left. They got a
Speaker 1: lame du coach. They're burning out of control out there
Speaker 1: in Tempe, but you're gonna go with them anyway.
Speaker 2: I'm going with them anyway it may. It makes so
Speaker 2: little sense.
Speaker 3: I have to It's one the kind of thing that
Speaker 3: only happens in bowl season. Is what's our gift situation?
Speaker 3: By the way, before we move on to the next
Speaker 3: bowl game.
Speaker 2: Ah, there is a gift suite. There is Timely Watch Company.
Speaker 2: I love this sort of very cold war between Timely
Speaker 2: and Fossil. Yeah, so you get a Timely Watch Company watch,
Speaker 2: Majestic pro Base, fleece, pullover, pro Base Ogio, Politian Polyton backpack,
Speaker 2: under armour cap and a coin and just go eat
Speaker 2: Mexican food and nel passo Lovely Town.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on.
Speaker 3: Let's go to the Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl,
Speaker 3: competing only at the San Diego County Credit Union Holiday
Speaker 3: Bowl for most syllables in a bowl game. They play
Speaker 3: this one in Nissan Stadium in Nashville, Tennessee. Also on
Speaker 3: December twenty ninth, this one at four thirty pm Eastern
Speaker 3: time on ESPN. We got the Northwestern Wildcats, we got
Speaker 3: the Kentucky Wildcats, we got the Wildcat Bowl Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: a whole lot of Wildcat and going on here. Northwestern
Speaker 3: seven and a half point favorite, I am not a
Speaker 3: Northwestern believer.
Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of the quiet.
Speaker 3: Storm motto for their nine and three season, and I
Speaker 3: realized they won their last seven games. They beat Iowa,
Speaker 3: they beat Michigan State. By all accounts, it was a
Speaker 3: pretty good year. Yeah, there's something about Northwestern that I
Speaker 3: can't buy into. Hook line and sinker. I'm definitely going
Speaker 3: Kentucky plus the seven and a half. I think I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go the Kentucky Wildcats outright to the tune of
Speaker 3: twelve confidence points. So I'm not feeling uber confident here,
Speaker 3: but but I'm going to ride Benny Sneill one more time.
Speaker 3: Let's go at Kentucky Wildcats twelve confidence points.
Speaker 2: Have fun with that defense, have fun rooting for that
Speaker 2: which was a disaster the second half a year, giving
Speaker 2: up about forty points a game. Yeah, Kentucky beats Southern Miss,
Speaker 2: they beat missoo early on. They lose to Florida, which
Speaker 2: not a good year to lose to Florida. This is
Speaker 2: not anything that you can be okay with. They lose
Speaker 2: three of Florida and the season. The offense pretty decent.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Benny Snell. They were fishing enough with Stephen
Speaker 2: Johnson through the air. Northwestern really didn't. I mean the
Speaker 2: Duke loss wasn't great. Their bottom half of college football,
Speaker 2: but some pretty decent wins in Iowa, Michigan State, and Purdue.
Speaker 2: Justin Jackson now a record setting workhorse for Northwestern. Clayton
Speaker 2: Thorson a little sloppier than I think people are expecting,
Speaker 2: didn't do too much downfield. I think Northwestern is solid
Speaker 2: enough to win this game. I'm going Northwestern. And if
Speaker 2: you were going to Nashville, if you've not spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time in Nashville, I have not spent enough time,
Speaker 2: nearly enough time in Nashville as I should be spending.
Speaker 2: Princess Hot Chicken, go to the original. If you're gonna
Speaker 2: get hot Chicken, you are going you should be going
Speaker 2: to Princes. And if you order the Hot Variety tie,
Speaker 2: you're going to struggle in the bathroom the next morning.
Speaker 1: That is just what I'm told will happen. What's our
Speaker 1: gift situation here?
Speaker 2: Our gift situation in the what are we talking? Music City,
Speaker 2: Bawl music City? Gift Sweet, gift Sweet, and we're back
Speaker 2: to fossil Ooh, coming at you timely and finally longer
Speaker 2: marathon show this evening talking all things recruiting and bowls
Speaker 2: and bowl recaps and Fossil watches the Cold War between
Speaker 2: fossil and timely mm hmmm always On December the twenty ninth,
Speaker 2: at five point thirty CBS Sports Network, the.
Speaker 3: Nova Home Loans Arizona Bowl. They play this one in
Speaker 3: Tucson at Arizona Stadium. Utah State and New Mexico State.
Speaker 3: New Mexico State is a four point dog here, but
Speaker 3: I'm going with them?
Speaker 1: Is this something like their first bowl game? Yeah? Did
Speaker 1: I read that correctly? They got bowl eligible the.
Speaker 2: Last game of the year against I want to say
Speaker 2: South Alabama to get to six and six. They have
Speaker 2: not been to a bowl game in at least the
Speaker 2: modern era. I don't believe.
Speaker 1: So hell yeah, New Mexico.
Speaker 3: Let's go to New Mexico State here, sixteen confidence points, dan.
Speaker 1: Isn't this also an Aggie Bowl? Isn't Utah State also
Speaker 1: the Aggies? We've got a double aggie situation. Yeah, double
Speaker 1: ag um. Yeah. New Mexico State's okay. This is the
Speaker 1: most okay bowl matchup.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Utah States defense pretty good, offense isn't great? Everything's sort
Speaker 1: of okay. They didn't have a really good win.
Speaker 2: They lose to a pretty down air force this year.
Speaker 2: Tyler Rodgers had a nice year for New Mexico State. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, decent enough offense for those Aggies. Jillian Scott
Speaker 2: was a good receiver. Their past defense was rough New
Speaker 2: Mexico States. I'm I'm gonna go to Mexico State. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go with what feels right in my heart.
Speaker 3: What is our gift situation here? To close it out?
Speaker 2: Our gift situation at the WHO Nova Home loans Dan, Yes,
Speaker 2: Nova Home loans. They're giving away a gift suite, a
Speaker 2: watch unclear what brand?
Speaker 1: Unclear? Uh, an Ogo backpack, and a beanie.
Speaker 2: I do not have a Tucson food recommendation, but I
Speaker 2: assume there's good Mexican food there there. You have not
Speaker 2: too far from Nogalls, Mexico.
Speaker 3: WHO ten Bowl games, seven recaps, a bunch of recruiting news.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you one question before we go? Sure?
Speaker 2: Just because it's been a long marathon show that has
Speaker 2: covered so many different aspects of college football between recaps, previews,
Speaker 2: recruiting coaching news, whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, can you very quickly.
Speaker 2: Explain to me the New York Times story about aliens.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Dan, just because let's I want to
Speaker 2: I want to do this right. People might be listening
Speaker 2: and weird places.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they're from a city and going out somewhere rural
Speaker 2: to see family, or they're from somewhere rural and the
Speaker 2: ConA was explain to me what everybody should know about this?
Speaker 1: Did you not read the story?
Speaker 2: I only started reading it and I pocketed it, and
Speaker 2: I wanted I wanted to be surprised by your explanation.
Speaker 3: I am all in on the alien story from the
Speaker 3: New York What is going on? Apparently, not to get
Speaker 3: too deep in the political weeds, but apparently there has
Speaker 3: been this covert investigative operation.
Speaker 1: To study UFOs, to study UFOs.
Speaker 2: This is from the Pentagon. This is who it's through
Speaker 2: that department.
Speaker 3: It's from an official US government outfit of some sort.
Speaker 3: They're studying UFOs. There was a video posted, a video
Speaker 3: submitted through the New York Times from back in two
Speaker 3: thousand and four. I think it was a Navy pilot
Speaker 3: spotted what amounts to a UFO off the San Diego coast.
Speaker 3: I saw interviews with the gentlemen seemed like a straight shooter,
Speaker 3: wasn't drunk, wasn't on drugs, had a good night's sleep
Speaker 3: the night before, and clear as Day described what he
Speaker 3: saw as a forty foot long white tic tac hovering
Speaker 3: above the surface and moving in ways that no one
Speaker 3: had ever seen anything move before. And he's convinced it
Speaker 3: was some sort of unidentified flying object. As they got
Speaker 3: close to it, it disappeared.
Speaker 1: What could it be? What is the prevailing theory of
Speaker 1: smart people? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm a smart person, and I'm going to contend that
Speaker 3: it was some sort of UFO.
Speaker 1: We are not alone. I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: I saw the video and it was like a weird
Speaker 2: like it was just going in a line against the wind,
Speaker 2: right right right, It was against the wind, and it
Speaker 2: was started doing like rotating forward.
Speaker 3: You only get part of the story if you read
Speaker 3: the New York Times piece. What you really need to
Speaker 3: do is go on Reddit.
Speaker 1: You need to go on Reddit.
Speaker 3: You need to go on the UFO threads, you need
Speaker 3: to go on the physics threads. I've been there for
Speaker 3: the last couple of days, and I'm telling you, Dan,
Speaker 3: this is a thing.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That was the Texas Tech Cal Holiday Bowl that year.
Speaker 2: That was the game that Cal ended up in because
Speaker 2: Mac Brown was campaigning against Cal.
Speaker 1: It was an Aaron Rodgers game. Yeah. Interesting? Interesting? And
Speaker 1: has Mac Brown ever said anything about no a UFO
Speaker 1: off the coast of San Diego?
Speaker 4: Never?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Very interesting. This is a big deal for me
Speaker 1: this week. You know this. You know, I'm into space
Speaker 1: and I wanted was it a Mike Leach game?
Speaker 3: It was Michae Leach could have been flying that thing
Speaker 3: for all we know. Oh my god, it all is
Speaker 3: starting to add up. TI. Thank you to everyone for
Speaker 3: bearing with us through at a minimum eighty minutes of
Speaker 3: college football content. Talked recruiting, talked bowl recaps, talked Lane
Speaker 3: Kiffin's ten year contract, talked about the Cold War between
Speaker 3: Timely and Fossil, and most importantly, we preview ten Bowl games. Dan,
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh my god, Ty, do you know who
Speaker 3: the MVP of that game was?
Speaker 1: Who? Sonny Comby?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: Sonny Comby?
Speaker 2: Current TCU offensive coordinator on the very same episode in
Speaker 2: which you have said that you are breaking up with TCU.
Speaker 2: Also was the starting quarterback for Texas Tech. And the
Speaker 2: the truth is out there, Dan, that's so weird.
Speaker 1: It's so weird.
Speaker 3: We will talk more about this, okay in the postseason.
Speaker 3: So we're going to do at least one other show
Speaker 3: recapping Bowl games, previewing the big ones that lie ahead,
Speaker 3: and then as we get into twenty eighteen, will not
Speaker 3: only recap the playoffs, but we're going to put together
Speaker 3: a big preview show talking about what you can all
Speaker 3: expect on January eighth for the National Championship. Again, we're
Speaker 3: going to be in Atlanta. We're going to be doing
Speaker 3: a live show. Keep your eyes and ears peeled for
Speaker 3: more information on when you can buy that second run
Speaker 3: of tickets if you're interested in coming to the show.
Speaker 1: And also you might want to pay.
Speaker 3: Attention to your social feeds for some other stuff that
Speaker 3: we might have cooking up in the lab right or
Speaker 3: I'm excited, I'm pumped for that guy over there, my
Speaker 3: good friend Dan Rubinstein, and beautiful southern California for myself,
Speaker 3: Tie Hildebrand over here in blustery, in wintery and soon
Speaker 3: to be perhaps white Christmas, e eastern Pennsylvania. Thanks again
Speaker 3: for tuning in. Have a happy holidays wherever you might be.
Speaker 3: We'll catch you all on the flip side in the meantime,
Speaker 3: stay soft taste