WEBVTT - Episode 233: The Results are IN! Genesis Experiment 2025! 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.200 Welcome to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM paranormal 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:07.520 podcast network. Now get ready for us Strange Things with 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:08.640 Joshua P. Warre. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:17.159 Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:21.200 opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:26.440 only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:30.880 to Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:34.120 and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:56.920 your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 0:00:55.600 --> 0:01:09.560 Ready by the Wizard of Weird, Joshua Warren. I am 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.640 Joshua Warren, and each week on this show, I'll be 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:16.440 bringing it brand new my blowing content, news exercises, and 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:20.440 weird experiments you can do at home, and a lot more. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:26.240 On this edition of the show. The results are in 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:36.440 Genesis Experiment twenty twenty five. Yes, I just finished looking 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.800 through my microscope and I'm going to tell you what 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.639 happened this time around my third time attempting a version 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:50.640 of the Genesis Experiment, and I do want to also 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:56.680 make a correction. Recently, you may have heard me live 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.920 on Coast to Coast AM being interviewed by George Nori, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:06.440 and we were primarily going to talk about this new 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:10.119 product that I have put out there called the It's 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:15.400 called Nikola Tesla's Purple wish Plate, and you, of course 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:19.079 probably know that last year, I for the first time 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.880 ever created a metal version of a virtual wishing machine 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:27.679 wish plate that I had. I guess I advented this 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:31.000 design about fifteen years ago. I've had great success with it. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:33.840 You just stare at this plate and the plate is 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:37.200 made of steel with the brass finish, and I carry 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:38.920 it with me. I use it all the time. I 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:43.919 put it out there for the public, and very shortly 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.640 thereafter people started contacting me saying could you make a 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:54.000 version of this using the purple metal like Tesla's purple plates. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:58.480 And I said, well, I don't see why not, you know, 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.920 And so it took me some time to research it 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:04.200 and figure out what the options were, and so I 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.480 just released it. As a matter of fact, I announced 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.680 it on Coast to coast am. I now have what 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.040 I call Nikola Tesla's Purple wish Plate. Now Tesla, of course, 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:18.160 he believed that this specially treated purple metal could act 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.720 as a passive antenna for universal bio energy, okay, what 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.760 some people call chi or qui or prana or oregon. 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.320 And you simply have this material near anything you want 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.120 to supercharge with healthy life energy. That's what he believed, 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.840 including plants and animals. Now, whatever is near it should 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:41.640 sympathetically resonate with its frequency and it never needs to 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.920 be recharged. So I use this kind of material to 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:50.160 create an enhanced version of my original metallic virtual wishing 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:54.520 machine plate, and I used a design that portrayed configurations 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.560 of the Milky Way galaxy. It's designed to project thoughts outward. 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.080 The orientation does it matter. You just think about what 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.040 you want to happen and stare into the center of 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.200 the plate. And the idea is that whatever you think about, 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.480 whatever you project, will be fired into the cosmos in 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.960 all directions. You only need to glance into the middle 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.640 for a second or two. You can do it whenever 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.400 you need it the rest of your life. I mean, 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:21.720 there are all these interesting techniques. And to make it 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.080 even more intriguing, I took one of these plates and 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.160 I attached some leads to it and used it as 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:31.640 an antenna to extract some frequencies that I could turn 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:37.440 into a binaural tone, and I call it the purple tone. Now, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:42.960 binaural is when you have two different tones, one in 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:45.320 your right ear, one in your left ear. They combine 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.000 in your brain to create kind of a special rhythm 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:52.480 or beat. And the purple tone is designed to clear 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:57.680 your chakras, relax you into peak manifestation mode. You can 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:01.280 listen to it whenever you want, preferably through headphones or earbuds, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:04.800 of course. So all this stuff is available. And I 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.360 was going on the show to talk to George about that, 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:11.800 but then you know, he started asking me about experiments, 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.440 and I brought up the Genesis experiment twenty twenty five, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.880 and I wasn't exactly prepared to talk about it. So 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.839 here's here's what I said. When I misspoke, because I 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.480 since this is the third time I've done this experiment, 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:30.320 I was I sometimes they get the details of each 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.599 version mixed up. I told George that this time around, 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.720 what I had done is take two bottles of medically 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:42.560 sterile water, and that one was untouched and the other 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.600 one I had added a little bit of salt and 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.880 nitrogen and sugar too, which are sort of the building 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:52.240 blocks of DNA, and then I had everybody in the 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.159 audience focus on the one that had the salt and 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.200 the nitrogen and the sugar in it, to see if 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:02.880 we could imagine life and spontaneously create life in this water, 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.240 similar to what God may have done in the Book 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:10.160 of Genesis. But actually that's what I actually did, however, 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:14.760 is a little bit different. I had two identical containers 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:20.800 of steril water, and I added salt, sugar, and nitrogen 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.240 to both of them, so they were completely identical. And 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.800 this version of the experiment, one was the target. I 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:32.320 put a picture of that target on the website ask 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.359 everybody to go there and meditate on the target. The 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:40.080 other one was put in a nearby but undisclosed location. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.760 Its image was never developed. The idea was to see 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:46.720 if I mean, they should have been identical, but would 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.200 there be any difference whatsoever in the one that was 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.920 the target, and especially would it actually have living beings 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.440 inside of them? So that's what I did, and I 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.720 asked everyone to go look at a picture of this 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:04.640 thing at Strainings promos dot com Strange Thingspromos dot com. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.640 And when you go there, you're going to see that 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:13.240 page updated. Oh by the way those Tesla Purple wish 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.120 plates that I created, I made ninety nine of them. 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:19.600 They were gone and I think a couple hours. It 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:24.240 was just like so I wasn't expecting it to be 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:27.680 that popular. But I do now have a second batch 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.800 end production. So if you go to my website joshuap 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.280 Warren dot com in the Curiosity Shop currently as I 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:40.080 record this, you should be able to get one of those. 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.880 But you're gonna have to wait a little bit longer 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.680 now because it takes a while to manufacture these. So 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.880 you'll be first in line if you get one of those. 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.440 But if you go to Strange thingspromos dot com, you'll 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.520 actually see at the top there's a picture of the 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.520 wish plate. You can click that and that'll give you 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:58.520 more information on everything else. But if you go down 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.559 you will see where it said it says click here 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:06.240 for Genesis Experiment twenty twenty five. When you click that, 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:13.560 you will see the bottle of slaughter that was used 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.120 that thousands of people looked at, maybe even over a million, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:21.240 because I talked about this not only on this podcast, 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.600 but also on Coast to Coast AM the live show, 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.840 and millions of people listen to that. I asked everybody 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.440 to go and look at this bottle of sterile water, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:36.640 and I have left it out there for forty days. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:43.280 And after forty days, I took both of the bottles 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.880 and I opened them up and looked at the water 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:53.480 underneath a microscope at various magnifications. I believe my maximum 0:08:53.480 --> 0:09:00.600 magnification was twelve hundred times. And here is well. You 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.240 can look at the pictures. I took some snapshots of 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:08.080 what I got, and I've got I'll be absolutely honest 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:15.200 with you. I'm not sure exactly how to interpret these results, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:22.480 but I do not think that we created life. What 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:24.080 I can tell you is that when you look at 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.040 the control sample, there are a lot of interesting little 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.280 particles and blobs and things in there, and I don't 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.679 know what I'm looking at. But when you look at 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:36.280 the picks of the target sample, the one that everybody 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.440 meditated on, it is different because there are odd little 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.559 blobby shapes in there as well, but they are bigger 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:53.319 and they're shaped more elaborately. So was this the beginning 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:57.520 of life being created? I mean, I was hoping that 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.120 I would look at the target samples and I would 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:06.600 be able to see little things swimming around, you know, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.800 little things that might remind you of an amoeba or 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.640 a euglina or a paramesia or something like that. And maybe, 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:20.000 again I don't I'm not a professional microscope expert here, 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:25.400 so all I can tell you is that there is 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:29.600 a difference. It may be because that we were focusing 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.000 on the target, but I don't know. I don't know 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.760 what to think about it. So I'm a little bummed 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.559 that I didn't see obvious life in there. And again, 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.400 this is the third time I have tried an experiment 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:45.959 like this, and I don't think I'm going to do 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.079 it again because it is kind of elaborate to get 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:53.280 everybody involved. But it did produce something somewhat confusing, and 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:58.360 so I need your help. I want you to email me. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:00.240 If you go to Joshua Ppe Warren dot com and 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.240 scroll down to the bottom, you'll find my email address. 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:06.040 Email me and tell me what you can conclude by 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.920 looking at the images from the control sample and the 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:14.800 target sample. I don't think we have proof of life here. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.800 I guess that means that maybe the only way to 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.720 guarantee life is well, what we learned from the birds 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.720 and the bees but okay, we got to take a break. 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.640 When we come back, I want to tell you about 0:11:30.640 --> 0:11:35.960 this very bizarre experience that I had related to trying 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.840 to document the paranormal at Brown Mountain, where the Brown 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.079 Mountain Lights are. This just touches on a lot of 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.800 different areas, including some of these stories about people who 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.440 disappear in the National Forest. You know how it is. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:51.599 I got a lot of stuff to talk about. It 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:55.480 stick around in the meantime. 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I 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:36.240 promise you. Homepage of Joshua P. Warren dot com. That 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:41.640 is something you can do right now. I am Joshua P. Warren, 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:45.360 and you're listening to Strange Things on the iHeartRadio and 0:12:45.520 --> 0:12:49.400 Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network, and I will 0:12:49.440 --> 0:13:32.280 be right back. Welcome back to Strange Things, both the 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:36.760 iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:40.080 am your host, the Wizard of Weird, Joshua FE Warren, 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:43.960 beaming into your wormhole brain from my studio in Sin City, 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.920 Las Vegas, Nevada, where every day is golden and every 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:54.760 night is silver. I gietato zoom. During the break, I 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.720 was thinking, you know what, hmmm, I'm looking right now 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:04.360 at Thisikola Tesla purple wish plates that I created. You 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.240 can only get this product from me. This is my 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:13.800 original proprietary design. And I was thinking, I know, I 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.880 just said that I don't plan to do another version 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.920 of the Genesis experiment, But what if what if I 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:27.080 did something like that again where I can't help myself? 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:30.800 Can I or I just take I take two bottles 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.880 once again? Maybe I go ahead and do the salt 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:36.720 and the nitrogen and the sugar in each of them 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.040 once again, but this time I don't tell anybody about it. 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.640 I don't have to post it on the internet and 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.680 get everybody to go look at it. Instead, I just 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.200 take the one that's my target and I put it 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:53.520 on top of the Tesla purple wishplate. What do you 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.600 think about that? And on my website you also have 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:02.720 a Tesla kit that has a pendit you can wear, 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.800 but the wish plate, though, I carry this with me 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.320 on my wallet, and I mean, it's insane. I don't 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.640 even I never go to the casino without it anymore. 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:17.320 I tell you that it emanates something. It really does it. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:22.920 It's mesmerizing, it's hypnotic. You can feel it. And I've 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:26.920 also been zoning out and falling asleep every night to 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.280 the purple tone. So I love this and I also 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.240 take it and I use it with my other stuff. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.280 I put it on my wishing machine input plate. I 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:38.880 put it on my prayer board. I mean, it's sort 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.280 of like, I think it super boosts everything else that 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.400 I'm doing. But what if if it actually is giving 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:49.960 off some kind of enhanced bio energy chi key Prama, Well, 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:54.120 obviously it should increase the odds of life. Developing inside 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.760 the water. I think I'm gonna have to try that. 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:59.040 I'm definitely going to be doing more experiments seeing how 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:04.000 it affects plant growth, in the growth of various fung 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:08.720 guy and such. Well, anyway, you know what, here's something 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.800 that I've mentioned this before, and I think that it's 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.040 worth bringing up. When you do these weird experiments, and 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:18.480 you know, I'm getting geared up and pumped up to 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.800 do this giant portal opening experiment that I've been talking 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.640 about for almost three years. It's been a lot of work, 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.640 it's been a lot of money, it's been a lot 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.560 of time. It's been it's been very complicated, and I'm 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.360 going to be nervous right up until the moment where 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.120 I get out in the desert and hit the button 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.680 and I swear that's the truth. But here's something that 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.160 crosses my mind. When you do these kinds of paranormal experiments, 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:46.160 and sometimes I do them on my own, sometimes I 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.920 ask you to join me and participate and we do 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:56.320 mass consciousness things, there is this bizarre phenomenon where it 0:16:56.400 --> 0:17:01.560 seems like that sometimes the universe is conspiring against you 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:07.400 to prevent you from getting too much of a glimpse 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:13.360 behind the scenes into the paranormal world. Let me give 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:16.439 you a very good example of this. Of course, I 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.439 was born in western North Carolina, home of the Brown 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.520 Mountain Lights. Surely you've heard about this. Brown Mountain is 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.879 this low lying ridge in the Pisga National Forest, and 0:17:26.920 --> 0:17:29.720 for hundreds of years people have seen these multicolored balls 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.400 of light hovering on and around the ridge at night, 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.000 and no one can explain them. That's it, in a nutshell. 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:38.720 I've talked about this a lot. I've written books about it. 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.160 My dad has a book that you can find on 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:46.280 Amazon called Brown Mountain Lights Adventure. It's a fictional adventure story. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:52.119 And so I started going up to Brown Mountain and 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.160 when I was a teenager. You know, this is back 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.679 in the nineteen nineties, and by about like two thousand 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.679 and three, two thousand and two, two thousand and three, 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:04.439 I was really really ramped up, and my friends and 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:06.919 I were going up there and camping out on a 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:13.720 regular basis. And uh, it's not not an easy environment 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.040 to camp out in certain times of year. But here's 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:21.080 why I'm bringing this up a little over fifteen years ago. 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:23.800 So I guess we're talking about back around two thousand 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.600 and nine, one time I did something, and to be 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.600 honest with you, I'm not one hundred percent certain that 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:37.160 this was legal. But I studied a lot of these 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.720 places where people were seeing the lights, and I used 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.000 a lot of maps and a lot of technology, and 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.160 my goal was to get footage of one of these 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.640 balls of light up close, because people would always see 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:50.879 them from like a mile away, and I wanted to 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:54.439 get right there next to a light. But the terrain 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:57.400 is so rugged and dangerous, I mean, it's almost impossible. 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:03.360 So I I used a lot of data, years worth 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.800 of data, and I came up with this one spot 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.760 where I thought there was a good chance we might 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:11.879 actually see one of these lights emerging from the mountain 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:18.320 up close and personal. But this was on government property, 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:22.760 and I did get permits from the government from time 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:25.119 to time for camping and stuff like that. But I 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.159 also wanted to kind of keep this a little bit 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.680 of a secret. So I wanted to go up there 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:36.080 and mount a hidden camera somewhere something that you nobody 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:41.359 would know about at this spot, and just let it 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.520 run for a week and see if I could capture 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.439 one of these up close and personal. So that's what 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.920 I did. I got one of these game cams and 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:55.399 went on this incredibly strenuous hike to this spot that 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:59.119 I thought had a high likelihood, and I put the 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.359 camera there, camouflaged it, and I left it there for 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:05.480 a week. And the only reason I'm saying that might 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:08.080 be illegal is that might be considered littering or something. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.520 I don't know, but that's all I'm going to tell 0:20:10.520 --> 0:20:12.840 you about what I did. So I left the camera 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.920 there for a week, went back a week later, hiked 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:21.520 out there, got it, took it back. Could not wait 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:24.920 to watch the footage. I was actually sitting there with 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:28.960 my friend Forrest Connor, and we were at the Lemur 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:32.800 Laboratory late at night, and I popped the SD card 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.200 in the computer and there were bunches of incidents where 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.000 it had been triggered. And I'm telling you, this is 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:45.560 the most frustrating thing I've ever experienced in my entire life. 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.760 There were times where at two o'clock in the morning, 0:20:49.720 --> 0:20:53.800 when it was windy and cold and miserable, and there 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:57.440 was not any chance of anybody being around there, where 0:20:57.480 --> 0:21:02.920 all of a sudden a light would appe right at 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:09.480 the edge of the camera I'm talking. It was just 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:15.200 like bleeding over. This is the middle of the National Forest, okay, 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.840 bleeding This light was bleeding over onto the edge of 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:24.040 the camera. I wanted to reach out through time and 0:21:24.119 --> 0:21:27.840 space and grab that camera and just move it like 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:33.719 ten or twenty degrees to the right, and over and 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.400 over and over. We got this light just teasing us 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:40.720 right there at the edge, and I was sitting there, 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.720 you know, just like gritting my teeth, thinking, please God, 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.760 let one of these clips show this thing. And that 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:52.040 was as good as it got. And I mean, I 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:59.119 was so talking about crestfallen, so disappointed. You'd think that 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:01.000 I would have gone back up and tried it again, 0:22:01.160 --> 0:22:05.400 but I didn't. It was so it was so disappointing 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.840 that I almost just was just disgusted with the whole 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.359 thing at that point for a while. You know. That's 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:15.000 just how I felt about it. And I think this 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:18.439 ties into something that most of you who investigate the 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.399 paranormal might know about it. I kind of think of 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:26.439 it as I call it the bashful universe theory, meaning 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:30.120 that there is some kind of an intelligent design here 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:33.960 and it's fine for us to be curious, and it's 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.479 fine for us to explore it, and it's fine for 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.720 us to progress and evolve and make new technologies and 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:46.240 new discoveries when the time is right. In other words, 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.160 the universe did not want men to fly airplanes before 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.800 the right Brothers were born. That was when the timing 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.000 was right. People were trying thousands of years before that. 0:22:58.040 --> 0:23:00.200 But it's almost like it. It doesn't matter how well 0:23:01.440 --> 0:23:04.120 how much you try, how skilled you are, if you're 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.160 trying to get a glimpse of things behind the scenes, 0:23:08.359 --> 0:23:12.199 and the universe is not want that revealed yet. It 0:23:12.280 --> 0:23:17.359 will tease you, it will drive you insane, but it's 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:20.200 not ready to give up its secret ship. I mean, 0:23:20.440 --> 0:23:22.480 I just pulled that out of thin air. The bashful 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.600 universe theory applied to paranormal investigation. But I have come 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.119 to believe it's a real thing, and that should not 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:34.159 prevent you from trying. But just be aware that this 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:38.080 is often what happens. And I think it also explains 0:23:38.119 --> 0:23:40.960 why that there are so many things that are destined 0:23:40.960 --> 0:23:47.320 to be just stunning mysteries. You know, speaking of the 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:52.399 National Forest, I'm sure you probably know who David Politis is. 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.360 David Politis has written these books. He calls Missing four 0:23:56.400 --> 0:23:58.800 one one about all of these people who vanish in 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:02.239 the National forests. And it's not like somebody goes out 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:03.960 for a hike and they don't come back like they've 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.000 fall him off a cliff. I mean, they vanish in 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:10.720 the craziest possible ways. And I've always been especially interested 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:16.960 in this because that my great grandfather, or so I'm sorry, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:22.440 my great uncle named Claude Callaway. He lived on a 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.760 piece of property in Barnardsville, North Carolina, near the National Forest, 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:31.040 and one day he vanished sort of in mid conversation. 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.480 I've talked about this a lot. This was in the 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:37.520 nineteen thirties. He was never seen again. It was a 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:41.639 big tragedy in my family. When we come back. I 0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:44.360 want to tell you something that I heard David Politis 0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:50.520 say the other day about how absolutely bizarre some of 0:24:50.520 --> 0:24:55.320 this stuff is. Some of these mysteries are when you're 0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:58.920 in places where you have you know, like National Forest, 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:03.400 Federal and all that, and then it's going to tie 0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.760 into some other well, you know how it goes. I'm 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:10.119 Joshua P. Warren. If you're listening to strange things on 0:25:10.160 --> 0:25:14.440 the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. 0:25:15.160 --> 0:25:55.320 I'll be back after these important messages. Welcome back to 0:25:55.520 --> 0:26:02.000 Strange Things on the iHeart Radio and Coast Am Parahnormal 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:06.520 Podcast Network. I'm your host, Joshua P. Warren, and this 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:13.159 is the show where the unusual becomes usual. Have you 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:20.280 ever heard of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. You know Heisenberg. 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:26.520 He was a German physicist back in the early twentieth century. 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.600 And if I understand this correctly, the easiest way to 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:32.720 try to explain this on a podcast is that he 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:38.720 said that it's almost impossible to accurately measure something because 0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.240 the very fact that you are there trying to measure 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:50.080 it it influences the thing that is being measured. And 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:55.080 more specifically, this was replied to the quantum physics of 0:26:55.440 --> 0:27:00.480 trying to document a particle's position and speed. The same time, 0:27:01.240 --> 0:27:03.119 we are definitely not going to get into a quantum 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.879 physics lesson on this podcast today, but you know, I 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.600 always thought that this is applicable when it comes to 0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:13.800 us trying to to document some of these strange phenomena, 0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:17.280 that the fact that we are there trying to document 0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:20.639 it changes some of the conditions, especially when you go 0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:23.359 to like a haunted house, and you know, you have 0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:26.680 these people who saying, like, when I'm alone in this room, 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.720 all these things happen. And then the investigators go, great, 0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:33.439 let's pile five or six guys in there with a 0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:38.040 bunch of cameras and lights and electricity and things that 0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:43.479 go by and see if we can capture that. And 0:27:43.480 --> 0:27:46.040 then you move all this stuff in and it completely 0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.040