1 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: Everything that's very closed up, like they definitely don't want 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: people just ducking in. I think I need to even go. Hey, 3 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: my name is Jennifer. 4 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: I have an appointment with Ray Lugo. 5 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: Okay, how's it going. It was a weekday, afternoon, and 6 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: I was at the Homicide Bureau of the La County 7 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: Sheriff's Department. It's this institutional looking building in a suburban 8 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: office park just east of LA We. 9 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: Have some podcasters. I'm just giving him a little tour. 10 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: I want to show him some pictures. 11 00:00:56,320 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Okay, that's Detective Ray Lugo. He's got broad shoulders and 12 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: a bald head. He used to be a high school 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: football coach, and he still kind of got that coach vibe. 14 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: Like he likes to remind me that he was the 15 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: lead detective on Daisy's case. He says he always had 16 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: a plan for it. He walks me around the office 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: and pointed to newspaper clippings and photographs on the wall. 18 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: And because this is Los Angeles, there were also movie 19 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: posters the movie. 20 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 4: With Angelina Jolie, The Change Changeling. Yeah, you know in 21 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 4: the movie it's tell lapd and stuff. But that was 22 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 4: a sheriff's case and stuff. Okay, but in movies they 23 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 4: was put LAPD. But that was and we didn't know 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: that the story told us. Then we had pictures of 25 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 4: it and stuff. 26 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: And do you feel like you get slighted? LAPD gets 27 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 2: all the. 28 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: Test anyway, show We don't feel that one, all. 29 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: Right, So if you didn't catch that, Luca was saying 30 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: that the changeling was based on a Sheriff's department's case, 31 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: but that the movie made it all about the LAPD. 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: When I asked if that bothered him, that the LPD 33 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: always gets the Hollywood treatment, he said, no, I mean 34 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like what he said was their junior varsity 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: to us. Again, he's a former football coach. And by 36 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: the way, the LPD and the l Sheriff's Department have 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: separate jurisdictions. The former patrols the city of la whereas 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: the latter serves the county's unincorporated areas and more than 39 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: forty of its other cities, So everywhere from Palmdale to 40 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: Malibu to Compton, it is a massive area. Luco showed 41 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: me a break room. It looked kind of like a 42 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: high school cafeteria, right down to the mascot that was 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 1: painted on the back wall. It was this cartoon bulldog 44 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: wearing a fedora, and it had a little piece of 45 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: paper in the fedora and on that piece of paper 46 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: were the numbers one eight seven California penal code for homicide. 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: I'm noticing this bulldog everywhere. 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 4: The La Times called this the bulldogs. 49 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: Lugo pointed me to a newspaper clipping mounted on a wall. 50 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: It was from nineteen seventy seven. The headline is Sheriff's 51 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: bulldogs hang in where LAPD doesn't. Oh so they're like 52 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: pitting you against LAPD. 53 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I didn't know there was like this rivalry. 54 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 5: No, not really. 55 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 3: We don't consider them right. They can't hang with it. 56 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 3: They can't. 57 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 2: So what does it mean to be a bulldog? 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: The reason why they in the article, the reason why 59 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 4: they said that was because we never give up. 60 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 3: And that's how they teach us that here, that. 61 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 4: Although even when we don't have any evidence, we just 62 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 4: never give up. 63 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: We find a way, a legal way. 64 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: They try to find the suspects and convict them. 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: Well, that's actually what I was here to talk with 66 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: Lugo about, Like what exactly was he doing? Bill Daisy's 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: friends and family were putting Victor on blast, desperately looking 68 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: to get attention on the case. Where was that bulldog 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: spirit when it came to finding a murder suspect? I'm 70 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Jen Swan from London Audio iHeart Radio and executive producer 71 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Paris Hilton This is My Friend Daisy Episode six, Armed 72 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: and Dangerous. In June of twenty twenty one, Lugo's cell 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: phone had been blowing up. Susie had been calling him 74 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: just about every day to ask about her daughter's case. 75 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: Daisy's friends and relatives were calling him too, But those 76 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: weren't the only people calling about Daisy's murder. 77 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: They put out something on social media and they put 78 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 4: out my number, my cell number, So I was getting 79 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 4: calls from all over. 80 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: UGO's cell phone number, he discovered, had been plastered all 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: over the internet. Unbeknownst to him, it was on the 82 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: tiktoks and the Instagram and Facebook posts that Daisy's friends 83 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: and family had made, the posts that had since gone viral. 84 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: Now Lugo was getting calls at all hours of the day, 85 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: all from people who said they'd seen a murder suspect. 86 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: A twenty something guy with dark hair. Just think to 87 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: ybrows and stretched ear lobes. 88 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 4: I got calls from the University of Texas, University at Arizona, 89 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: many many calls here in Los Angeles, University of California 90 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 4: at Santa Barbara, University of San Diego, State University, University 91 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: of San Diego students because people in college where those 92 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: he had the ear plugs, and the ear plugs were 93 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: extremely big and not very many people have the big 94 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: holes in their ears. Is that the gauges, is that 95 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 4: what it's called. 96 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: I had a feeling that the reason why college students 97 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: were calling didn't actually have much to do with gaged years. 98 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: It had to do with our age group and the 99 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: media they were consuming. I wonder if those were also 100 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: people that were seeing the TikTok and the instagram that 101 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: were put out here. 102 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, yes they did. 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 4: They did tell us that that's how they got my numbers. 104 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 4: So I'd get calls in the middle of the night 105 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: all the time, so I would send the local agency, 106 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 4: and you know, that's part of our job, that's. 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: What we do. 108 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Lugo said things like that a lot, things like that's 109 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: part of our job, that's what we do. I'd come 110 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: here to interview him to find out what he and 111 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: his partner had been doing all that time when daisies 112 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: loved ones were desperately looking for answers, and he'd come 113 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: to this interview ready to defend his investigation. 114 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: Most people thought, oh, this was an easy case. But 115 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 4: we didn't have any witnesses. 116 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: The video was not very good at all. 117 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: Lugo had a stack of the nixed cards in front 118 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: of him, notes and talking points that he referred to 119 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: every so often. We were sitting in a boardroom where 120 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: on the back wall an American flag was printed on 121 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: this big framed piece of wood. It had a thin 122 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: blue line running through the middle, and in the left 123 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: hand corner among the stars was that cartoon bulldog in 124 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: a fedora, and Lugo was in bulldog mode. He wasn't 125 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: giving up explaining how difficult the investigation was. 126 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: Didn't happen that quick unless you know a husband kills 127 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 4: his wife and you know he's there, and those are easy. 128 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: Anybody could do those right. 129 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 4: You guys could do those right. Those a domestic But 130 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: this wasn't as easy as people thought. And I know 131 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 4: at times families get frustrated with us, but we can't 132 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: go play by play with them on all. 133 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: The information we have, and they just have to trust us. 134 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: I think from Susie's point of view, you know she 135 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: had it. I think she told you this from the 136 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: beginning too. She had this fear this case wouldn't be 137 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: taken seriously because she's Mexican, or because she was in 138 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: Compton and it's like going to Compton, it could be 139 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: a body dump, it could be an unknown victim. And 140 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: so I think she always had this defensiveness. 141 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: Like I have to fight yeah, yeah, no, But she 142 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 4: has to remember too that we're Mexican too. And I 143 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 4: grew up in East LA and in the worst neighborhood 144 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 4: at third and we understand and we're not going to 145 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: let anybody get away with murder, right, We don't do that. 146 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 4: We have a conscience, we have a family. I've been 147 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 4: doing this for I'm in my forty third year, twenty 148 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 4: eight at homicide. 149 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: And can I ask, like, how how you decided to 150 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: join the shrift, Like what was there something that happened 151 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: in your life. 152 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 4: That Yeah, I was born and raised in Los Angeles 153 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 4: in the early seventies, we had the East LA riots. 154 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 4: I lived half a block away from warr Boulevard from 155 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: where it was all happening, and I remember seeing my 156 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: parents went to a wedding, so it was me, my 157 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: brothers and sisters. There was four of us and we 158 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: were in the house by ourselves when the riots broke 159 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: out and people were running down the street with tires 160 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 4: and stolen lawnmowers. But everything was on fire, and I 161 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 4: noticed the Sheriff's department We're coming in, and I was impressed. 162 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,439 Speaker 4: My older brother, he was two years older. He was 163 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 4: an LPD officer, and I was a couple of years 164 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 4: behind him, and I didn't want to follow my brother, 165 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 4: be that guy, be the little brother. 166 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: It occurred to me that maybe this was the source 167 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: of Lugo's competition with the LAPD. It's not an agency rivalry, 168 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: it's a sibling rivalry. Lugo said he wanted to work 169 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: his own neighborhood, which was under the sheriff's jurisdiction, and 170 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: try to solve problems from within. He put in time 171 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: as a patrol officer and then worked his way up 172 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: to a night detective. He says he ended up solving 173 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: a lot of murders in part because he just knew 174 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people in the neighborhood, and they trusted him. 175 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 1: Eventually he found his way to the homicide bureau in 176 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: the mid nineties, and the only way he's been able 177 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: to keep doing it is by compartmentalizing. He didn't use 178 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: that word, but that's essentially what he described. 179 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 2: I tried to. 180 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 4: Not really let the rest of my family know about 181 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 4: what's going on with the job and the whole bit, right, 182 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 4: no one to talk to. I don't talk about that, right. 183 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: I think that's why I've been able to survive that 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 4: this long. But I'm always thinking about it when I'm 185 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 4: about myself, driving to work, figuring out a plan, when 186 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 4: I'm jogging on the treadmill. 187 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: That's when we do. 188 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 4: That's when I think about how we can approach this case, 189 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 4: how can we trick them if we're tricking somebody. And 190 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 4: most of the time it works out. 191 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: But Daisy's case, it didn't just come together when he 192 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: was driving to work or jogging on the treadmill. He 193 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: did at least have a suspect, but the suspect had vanished, 194 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: his whereabouts unknown, which was sometimes true even before he disappeared. 195 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: Sometimes he wouldn't come home. 196 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 4: Sometimes he stayed out in the streets. 197 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: They didn't know where he stayed at. 198 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 4: He was really got into skating and he was pretty good. 199 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: So we had surveillance teams at every skate park in 200 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: southern California, okay state, just about every skate park from 201 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 4: the Lincoln Heights or his favorite skate parks from Lincoln 202 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 4: Heights all the way to Long Beach. So in Lincoln 203 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 4: Park we knew he went there. We had a surveillance 204 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 4: team for weeks at that location. And he traveled through 205 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 4: the Metro Line, the metro rail, so we try to follow. 206 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 3: That. We had surveillance teams, but with no luck. 207 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: The Metro line the place where Valerie Ariano and so 208 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: many others reported seeing a skateboarder who looked like Victor. 209 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 4: I know the family thought, oh, just go arrest the boyfriend, right, 210 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 4: so all with the boyfriend, but we can't be wrong. 211 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 4: We have to be right, one hundred percent right, And 212 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 4: we had to wait till the lab results came back, 213 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 4: and we we got the codis. 214 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: Hit cotis the Combined DNA Index System. It's this big 215 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,320 Speaker 1: federal database maintained by the FBI, and it combines data 216 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,599 Speaker 1: from law enforcement agencies all over the country and the 217 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: coda's head. That's a bingo. It's when the DNA collected 218 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: from a crime scene brings up a match or someone 219 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: who's been arrested before, which is exactly what happened. When 220 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: the blood around Daisy's body was processed, it matched with 221 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: a suspect. There are stories from all over the country 222 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: about social media users accusing the wrong person of a crime. 223 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: It even happened in Compton, the city where Daisy lived 224 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: about eight months before her friends took to social media 225 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: to find her killer. 226 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 6: Thirty three year old Compton resident Darnell Hicks, a father 227 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 6: to two girls and a youth football coach, feared for 228 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 6: his safety and his families after being wrongfully accused on 229 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 6: social media of ambushing two LA County Sheriff's deputies said 230 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 6: he saw be on the lookout post with his face 231 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 6: on it. He and his attorneys say they have no 232 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 6: idea who started these accusations. 233 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: There are stories of sleuths misidentifying someone as a victim 234 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: or filming them without their consent because you know, they 235 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: thought they were a missing person. 236 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 7: As soon as vill come across my Facebook story and 237 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 7: I keep. 238 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 2: Wondering who's this girl. 239 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,080 Speaker 3: Where is she? 240 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: Why does she look so lost? 241 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: There are stories about the way good intentions can become 242 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: misguided search parties, like this one that Sarah Turney reported on. 243 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 6: Of course, a viral video went around of this girl 244 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 6: and people were really nervous for her. At first they 245 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 6: thought it was Cassie Compton, but it has been confirmed 246 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 6: to not be Cassie. 247 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: But this is not one of those stories, because when 248 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: DNA evidence from the crime scene was processed, it showed 249 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: that the person Daisy's friends and family had been adamant about, 250 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: the person they'd been calling detectives about and making videos 251 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: about and circulating photos of it was the same person 252 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: whose DNA was found at the crime scene. 253 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 4: Some of the blood that they found with Victor sosis blood, luckily, and. 254 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: There was a lot of blood. 255 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: And in these stabbings, you know, when people start stabbing 256 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 4: someone and blood and starts getting slippery, so the hand 257 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: slips usually and uh, usually the suspects gets cut, and 258 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 4: that's what happened in this regard. So fortunately for us, 259 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 4: Victor had been arrested years before for some sort of 260 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: assault and uh, they took his DNA then, so he 261 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 4: was in the system. 262 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 3: The code of system. 263 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: Interesting and do you know what that assault. 264 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 3: Was regarding I'm not sure. 265 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: Okay it was you don't know whether it was related 266 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: to Daisy. 267 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: No, I don't. 268 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 4: I know they had had an incident before. 269 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: There was an incident where. 270 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: Uh, the grandfather had told us that months before he 271 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: struck her with the skateboard in the head, and that's 272 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 4: why the there was a break up for a time. 273 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 4: And uh, when the investigator finally spoke to Daisy, she 274 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: refused to cooperate with the investigation and she refused to prosecute. 275 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: We did talk to an investigator on that case, and 276 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 4: she signed a waiver dropping the case. 277 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: Yes, okay, were there ever any records of him having 278 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: a history with domestic abuse besides this one assault her? 279 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: No, No, he didn't have much of a record at all. 280 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 4: He was kind of a loner and tysocial, kind of awkward. 281 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: He was really weird. 282 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: Weird. 283 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: It's a word that Lugo used to describe Victor at 284 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: least six different times during our ninety minute interview. 285 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 4: He couldn't keep a job. It's too weird to keep 286 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 4: it just so awkward and almost weird. Victor's so awkward 287 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: and so weird. He's just a weird kid. 288 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 1: But Victor wasn't a kid. He was twenty five when 289 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: he murdered Daisy when he fled. When more than three 290 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,680 Speaker 1: months later, Daisy's friends and family began posting about it online, 291 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: and when a little more than a month after that, 292 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: the La County Sheriff's Department decided to co opt their strategy, 293 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: they turned to social media too. 294 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 8: This man, twenty five year old Victor Hugo Sosa, should 295 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 8: be considered armed and dangerous. The Los Angeles County Sheriff's 296 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 8: Department says he's wanted for the murder of his girlfriend. 297 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: The local news began broadcasting Victor's name and photo after 298 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: the Sheriff's posted a flyer about him on their Facebook page, 299 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: Wanted for murder. The graphics said in all caps across 300 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: the top of the flyer. In the center was a 301 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: DMV photo of Victor. It had been taken about four 302 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: years earlier, actually around the time that he met Daisy. 303 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: In it, he had shaggy hair that fell to the 304 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: base of his neck and clear gauges in his ears. 305 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 8: Sosa is described as around five feet six inches tall 306 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 8: and one hundred ins already pounds. He's known to use 307 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 8: his skateboard in public transportation to get around. 308 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: The local CBS news station wasn't the only media outlet 309 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: to pick up the sheriff's announcement. The La Times ran 310 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 1: a story, and this time it included Daisy's name and 311 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: details about her life. Her mom was quoted in the 312 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: article talking about how she dreamed of opening a salon someday, 313 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: and Lugo was quoted in it too. He said that 314 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: he believed Victor had fled to Mexico but had since 315 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: returned to the LA area, and that he'd recently been 316 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 1: seen in homeless encampments all over town. These sightings, they 317 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,959 Speaker 1: were the result of all the calls that Lugo had 318 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: been getting, calls from people who had seen the tiktoks 319 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:40,719 Speaker 1: and the instagrams. 320 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: I know those kids met well, and I always thanked 321 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 4: them for calling, and I would tell. 322 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: Him, hopefully you'll see it on the news. And we 323 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 3: had our plan. 324 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 4: We had the surveillance teams out there still looking. I 325 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,040 Speaker 4: know people think that these cases are easy and we 326 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 4: arrest them and it would be easy to prosecute, but 327 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 4: if you don't have any evidence, and we at the 328 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 4: time we didn't have any evidence other than the blood, and. 329 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: It took a while for us to get that the 330 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: Cotas hit. 331 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 4: I believe we got the Codas hit on March thirteenth 332 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 4: or fourteenth. 333 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:25,399 Speaker 3: Hang on. 334 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: The Codas hit came back in the middle of March, 335 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: just three weeks after Daisy's murder. I thought about all 336 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: the weeks that passed after that, weeks when her friends 337 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: and family were on pins and needles waiting for updates. 338 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: I thought about day Zy's neighbors watching their backs around 339 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: the apartment complex, wondering who the killer was, not knowing 340 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: he had any relation to his victim. It was impossible 341 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: not to wonder what might have happened if the detectives 342 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: had put out Victor's name and photo after they first 343 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: got this Coda's hit. What exactly was gained by waiting 344 00:19:55,880 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: an additional three months to warn the public, and what lost? 345 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: And I sat there in the conference room, dumbfounded. I 346 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: had been working on the story for three years at 347 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: that point, in some form or another, and this piece 348 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: of information about the date of the Coda's hit, it 349 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: had totally eluded me up until then. I must have 350 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: had this blank stare on my face when I heard it, 351 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: because Lugo suddenly seemed self conscious. There was this awkward silence, 352 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: and then he said, oh. 353 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 4: You still want to talk about the investigation. 354 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: Yes, I do. 355 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: I just yeah when you say that, I know you've 356 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: explained this to me before, but when you see the 357 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: codas that you're saying that you were able to sample 358 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: the DNA from the scene and match it with the 359 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: DNA from. 360 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 3: His previous arrest. Yes, right, yes, okay. 361 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: But then the public didn't know to look for Victor 362 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: until I think June. 363 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: At the end of June, you. 364 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 4: Put up up right, right right, we had surveillance teams 365 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 4: looking for him. 366 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: Okay, and so walk me through, like, how do you 367 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: make the decision about when to when to tell the public? 368 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: You know, Okay, we're looking for this guy. Here's what 369 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: he looks like. If the KOTAS hit was in March, 370 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: tell me about like April May, June. 371 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I went. 372 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 4: So, we were working with the family and we believed 373 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: that he was out of the country, and the family 374 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 4: they had had a little contact with him via telephone 375 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: and they had met him. We don't want to say 376 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 4: who that was, but they actually went down to Mexico 377 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 4: to meet up with him and and then contacted me, 378 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: and then we set up a little plan to get him, 379 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 4: and we tried it two times weeks apart, you know, 380 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 4: three four weeks apart, so we wouldn't scare him and 381 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:59,719 Speaker 4: scare them off. And both times we were unsuccessful, and 382 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 4: was at that point where we decided to go public 383 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 4: once we kind of thought that we were going get 384 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 4: a little help from social media. 385 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: I spoke to Lugo and his partner Sanchez multiple times 386 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: to try to clarify this timeline, to try to understand 387 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: their reasoning for not putting out this information sooner. They 388 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 1: maintained that they were working with Victor's family to try 389 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 1: to chock him down. They didn't want to put out 390 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: the information about him to the public because they didn't 391 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: want to scare him off. They were afraid that he'd 392 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: find out people were looking for him, and he'd flee 393 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: even further south. 394 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: And then he leads to a country that we don't 395 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: have a treaty with and we'll never get him back. 396 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: Right. 397 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: Never mind that by the time the detectives posted their 398 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: flyer on Facebook, Victor's face had already been plastered across 399 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: TikTok and Instagram for weeks, which is probably why when 400 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: people saw this flyer on Facebook, they wrote comments like 401 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: this is old news. Another comment read, I can't believe 402 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: you guys are just now posting this when it happened 403 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: in February. There was this one comment that really seemed 404 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: to sum up the anger of some people in the community. 405 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 1: It read, everyone's been telling the police department where he 406 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: is and they don't care. I'm ready to go out 407 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: and catch him myself. This comment it had been posted 408 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: by Valerie Pinato. Underneath that comment, she'd written the one 409 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: about wanting to hunt Victor down. We need rope in 410 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,400 Speaker 1: a back because he won't go down without a fight. 411 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 412 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 1: She'd written that comment on the La County Sheriff's Department's 413 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: Facebook page. When I talked to her about these comments, 414 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: she did not back down from them. She said, she 415 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: meant every word was some of your anger on the 416 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: fact that it had been four months and Victor still 417 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: hadn't been arrested. Like the comment that you wrote was 418 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: something like they don't take this seriously. 419 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much. I already knew. It's like it's like 420 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: another another day for them, another day for the cops 421 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 5: like it like it seemed it feel like for me, 422 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 5: it seemed like it didn't matter. 423 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 2: You know, that Daisy's deft didn't matter pretty much. 424 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I just saw that they didn't really care, and 425 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 5: I wanted to say that. I wanted to bring that awareness, 426 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 5: you know, like put some pressure for them to take 427 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 5: it serious. 428 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 2: And because it's Compton too, yeah. 429 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 5: They just like, oh, it's just another day in Common. 430 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 5: So I'm like, like, I'm gonna make sure that she 431 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 5: gets her justice. 432 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: So you might be wondering what kind of beef does 433 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: Valerie have with the cops. And it may not shock 434 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: you to learn this, but she too, like so many 435 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: others I spoke with in the Easy's community, had had 436 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: an unnerving encounter with law enforcement. Here's how she put it. 437 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 5: Like, one time I got I got like racially profiled. 438 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 5: It was bad, like over my tail light in one 439 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 5: of my cars. This was like years ago, but I 440 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 5: I had like my hands on the wheel. They pulled 441 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,440 Speaker 5: me over in front of my cousin's car. And yeah, 442 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 5: at that time, I got a little bit more tanned. 443 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 5: So I was like kind of scared, and everyone outside 444 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 5: of the houses came to like just watch so that 445 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 5: they wouldn't do anything, because that's how. 446 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 2: Scared, you know. The neighbors were. 447 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: And I was like, look, I'll leave my car here. 448 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 5: I won't drive it, you know, I'll get my cousin 449 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: to fix it. And they wanted to tow my car. 450 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 5: I was like, for what over a tail light? 451 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 2: Yeah? That was really scary too. 452 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 5: And I kind of saw the cop put his hand 453 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 5: on his gun and I was like. 454 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: Oh my god. I was like please, And I kept 455 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 2: telling me. 456 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: Gallery, who's not scared of anything, including suspected murderers, was 457 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 1: scared of being pulled over by the police, and yet 458 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: when a murder happened in her own community, she wondered 459 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: where were the police, what had they been doing? And 460 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: so she decided she wasn't going to let this go. 461 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: That's w I how to keep her assy. I had 462 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: to keep talking shit on all these pages. 463 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,120 Speaker 5: I was like, we're gonna get the guy. 464 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: Whether the cops don't do anything. 465 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: You're like, I gotta talk shit for justice, You're gonna 466 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: do it. 467 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 468 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: That's that's when. 469 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty much, that's when I ended up talking to 470 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 5: Daisy's mom too at some point. 471 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did on Facebook. 472 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, I did, and on it. I think Instagram too. 473 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 5: I think it was Instagram too. 474 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: Do you remember what you guys talked about? Oh yeah, 475 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 2: I remember in the post before she reached out to me. 476 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: Did she reached out to you? 477 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? She did. 478 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 5: Why I just kept telling her in the post, I'm 479 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 5: praying every day we're gonna get this guy. 480 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 2: I told her, I'm. 481 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 5: Praying, and I know God is gonna come through. I 482 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 5: will tell her that God's gonna come through. I promise you. 483 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 5: I made that promise to her. I was like, I 484 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 5: promise you, we're gonna get this guy. 485 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: Valerie would turn out to be right, but not in 486 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: the way that anyone expected. Next time, on my friend Daisy, I. 487 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 9: Get a phone call from our office. I want to 488 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 9: transfer a phone call to me some commandante from some 489 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 9: police in Mexico. And did it occurred to me? 490 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 3: I didn't. 491 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 9: I said, okay, just transfer them. 492 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know who he was. 493 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 9: I wasn't sure what he was calling about. And he says, hey, 494 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 9: are you looking for Victor Sosa? 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It's reported, written and executive 504 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: produced by me Jen Swan. I'm also your host. Our 505 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: executive producers for London Audio are Paris Hilton, Bruce gersh 506 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: Bruce Robertson and Joanna Studebaker. Our executive producer for Sony 507 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,120 Speaker 1: Music Entertainment is Jonathan Hirsch. Our associate producer is Zoe Culkin. 508 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Production assistants and translations by Miguel Contreras, Sound design, composing 509 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: and mixing by Hans Dale she Our fact checker is 510 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: Fendall Fulton, Our head of production is Sammy Allison and 511 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: our production manager is Tamika Balance Colosny Special thanks to 512 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Steve Akerman, Emily Rossick and Jamie Myers at Sony, Ben 513 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: Goldberg and Orley Greenberg at Uta, and Jen Ortiz at 514 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: the Cut