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Speaker 2: got off to a different, strange, maybe curious start to
Speaker 2: the show because I turned off a basketball game last
Speaker 2: night Texas Tech and Cincinnati only because of the sound,
Speaker 2: the sound of the rim every time these players missed
Speaker 2: a shot, I couldn't take it. So then I'm watching
Speaker 2: Duke Duke against Notre Dame and I'm thinking, uh, what
Speaker 2: happened here? I mean at Notre Dame. Notre Dame hasn't
Speaker 2: lost a game that badly at home. I got to
Speaker 2: get this straight. I think it's eighteen ninety eight. Eighteen, yeah,
Speaker 2: eighteen ninety eight. Notre Dame lost by forty four points,
Speaker 2: worst home loss since they lost to Chicago First Regiment
Speaker 2: sixty four to eight. That was in eighteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: They had a good team back then. Chat of the
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Speaker 2: cards of the program. The second Regiment was really good
Speaker 2: as well for that Chicago team. Uh So we did
Speaker 2: reach out to Texas Tech as you would expect the
Speaker 2: IT team, because I needed, you know, some kind of
Speaker 2: investigation into the sound of the rim there. If I
Speaker 2: was a big time recruit as much as Texas Tech
Speaker 2: loves their basketball and that environment's great, I wouldn't go
Speaker 2: there because of the sound of the rim.
Speaker 3: And you may change your mind after you hear the
Speaker 3: report Texas Tech Basketball. The Deputy ad Jonathan Butro sent
Speaker 3: down staffers. They checked both rims and both are functioning properly.
Speaker 3: They went back and listened to the broadcast and they
Speaker 3: think it's Mike implication amplification and it was not anything
Speaker 3: wrong with the rims.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: He added that he will ask, Yeah, blame the networks, classics.
Speaker 2: Not my fault, blame the TV.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 3: He also said he's going to ask the shooters on
Speaker 3: the team to stop missing.
Speaker 2: You. I couldn't take it. They didn't miss that many shots.
Speaker 2: They scored any points. Well, Cincinnati missed shots. Yeah, now
Speaker 2: that was the problem. I'm just going I can't take it.
Speaker 2: Like I can accept the little think in you know,
Speaker 2: college World Series, but this being a you know shooter,
Speaker 2: I had a problem with it. And I'm going on,
Speaker 2: let me let me check on the Duke game and
Speaker 2: I go there is no game there. I was waiting
Speaker 2: for Hannah Hidalgo to come out on the floor for
Speaker 2: Notre Dame to help him out. Yes, Todd, can you
Speaker 2: watch a.
Speaker 5: Basketball game with no audio? Or was it because you said,
Speaker 5: like you kind of you rather stop watching it all
Speaker 5: together than to maybe just.
Speaker 2: Well, trying to familiarize myself with these teams. You know,
Speaker 2: Cincinnati just had a big win against Kansas. Like I'm
Speaker 2: trying to learn. You know, who's my sleeper? You know
Speaker 2: that eight nine game. You know I'm gonna pick? Who
Speaker 2: am I picking? Twelve five? You gotta get ready?
Speaker 6: How you do a crash course like that in these
Speaker 6: last week.
Speaker 2: I'm trying, Yes, I'm trying. Yeah, I should just call
Speaker 2: up Jay Billis and say, you know, just download me
Speaker 2: on what's going on.
Speaker 6: We'll pick three ones at a two.
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP show. More phone calls coming up.
Speaker 2: We're being inundated with annoying sounds in sports Tyler sitting by,
Speaker 2: he'll take your phone calls. We'll talk to Pat Forty,
Speaker 2: our good budding from Sports Illustrated and he was over
Speaker 2: in Italy covering the Olympics. We'll talk to him about
Speaker 2: that experience here in a little bit. We'll also bring
Speaker 2: back some of the sounds some of the interviews yesterday
Speaker 2: with the gms at the Combine, which I always find
Speaker 2: fun and fascinating because there's really pressing questions that they
Speaker 2: need to answer, and the gms normally don't get in
Speaker 2: front of the media, so they're not as media as savvy,
Speaker 2: and I'm always looking for maybe just a little crack
Speaker 2: in the window there. Hey, wait a minute, what's he
Speaker 2: really saying here about Kyler Murray or two a tongue
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Speaker 2: whole question from the first hour seat.
Speaker 7: And and then hour two honors the uh more annoying sound
Speaker 7: in sports a tenny rim in basketball or the metal
Speaker 7: bat in baseball. It's gotten back and forth. It's been
Speaker 7: about a fifty one percent swinging either way between the
Speaker 7: tenny rim or the metal bat.
Speaker 2: Very very close, full quest, All right, super close.
Speaker 7: Then we have another one here from Todd would you
Speaker 7: prefer having an automated system that calls balls and strikes
Speaker 7: on every MLB pitch.
Speaker 6: Yes or no, I.
Speaker 2: Would lean towards yes. I think you could make this
Speaker 2: not theatrical, but you could make this part of the
Speaker 2: broadcast where you're looking up at the jumbo tron and
Speaker 2: you're going to be able to see what is a
Speaker 2: ball and a strike. You don't need the umpire to
Speaker 2: call out ball or strike because soon as the pitch
Speaker 2: is thrown, you'll look at the jumbo tron and you'll
Speaker 2: be able to tell if it's a ball or strike
Speaker 2: if the batter doesn't swing. And I think we're getting
Speaker 2: closer to this because what we're finding out is, you know,
Speaker 2: the automatic balls and strikes you know nobody has. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no human element to that of you know, that
Speaker 2: guy is a Hall of Famer, I'm going to give
Speaker 2: him that pitch, or that pitcher he's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give him that pitch. You don't have that.
Speaker 2: It's just here the parameters for a strike zone. Now,
Speaker 2: the TV coverage already gives you sort of a strike zone.
Speaker 2: You get to see it. But once again, you have
Speaker 2: to understand that camera is not right behind the pitcher,
Speaker 2: so it's off to the right hand side of the pitcher,
Speaker 2: so you don't get a true strike zone. You may
Speaker 2: go both it's a strike, but in reality it might
Speaker 2: not be. With the automatic the ABS system, I'm all
Speaker 2: for it. Let's do it. Put it in place. Now
Speaker 2: you still need everybody gets caught up with it's a robot.
Speaker 2: It's not a robot. All it is is a system
Speaker 2: just like tennis has. Tennis doesn't have any robots, but
Speaker 2: they have the same parameters of ball in or out.
Speaker 2: And if you have it, you have to have an
Speaker 2: umpire there for fair and foul, you know, something on
Speaker 2: the mound or you know if a batter chips catcher's glove,
Speaker 2: you know, plays at the plate. You still have to
Speaker 2: have an umpire there. Take it, take the balls and
Speaker 2: strikes out of this and make it a production where
Speaker 2: you put it up on the Jumbo tron and everybody
Speaker 2: gets to follow along with it. And I think you
Speaker 2: would be surprised. There was a there were five consecutive
Speaker 2: calls in a game yesterday where the umpire missed all
Speaker 2: five in a row. Because they show what the strike
Speaker 2: zone is and he missed five in a row, and
Speaker 2: then he got the six to one right and then
Speaker 2: the crowd cheered. So you can have what you think
Speaker 2: is a strike zone. I don't want your strike zone.
Speaker 2: I want our strike zone. Everybody's strike zone. Now, it
Speaker 2: does change if Altuve or Aaron Judge is up, you
Speaker 2: have to adjust. But they're able to do this, and
Speaker 2: they're doing it in the minor leagues, they're doing it
Speaker 2: in spring training. I'm okay with it. Get the call right.
Speaker 2: If I can get the call correct, and these umpires
Speaker 2: do an amazing job because I'm looking at you know,
Speaker 2: maybe they get ninety six percent of the calls right.
Speaker 2: That's really at a high level. But if you can
Speaker 2: get all of them right, balls and strikes, why wouldn't
Speaker 2: you do that? And I go back to all of
Speaker 2: the gambling money. You got to get these things right. Now.
Speaker 2: You still have the human element play at the plate
Speaker 2: with the Blue Jays and the Dodgers, you still have
Speaker 2: to have the home plate umpires. So it's not a robot,
Speaker 2: it's just overhead big brother watching. Yeah, Paul.
Speaker 3: So with this new ABS challenge, we got this from
Speaker 3: and I'll be Each team starts the game with two challenges.
Speaker 3: When the batter wants to challenge it, he taps his
Speaker 3: helmet and a challenge it. So if he gets it wrong,
Speaker 3: they're down to one challenge. If he gets it wrong again,
Speaker 3: they're down to zero. But at BT you talked about it.
Speaker 3: If you get it right when you challenge, you keep
Speaker 3: your two challenges, and you keep going forward with two challenges.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. Once again, if we have the technology,
Speaker 2: use the technology, and baseball has the technology, but we
Speaker 2: get once again, I said this yesterday. We we think
Speaker 2: it's part of the charm of baseball that you know,
Speaker 2: that guy has his own strike zonner. Hey, that guy
Speaker 2: what out, but he called him out. You know, the
Speaker 2: neighborhood play at Second Bay. Let's just get these calls right,
Speaker 2: nothing wrong. You still have the human element of this.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they'll get to and you could,
Speaker 2: you know, have a reviewable play if there's a force
Speaker 2: out and you think they missed it, or a tag up,
Speaker 2: you know for a fly ball sack fly and you
Speaker 2: can still review that. You can question that. But balls
Speaker 2: and strikes, let's implement it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's been tested in Triple A, you know, right,
Speaker 7: So it's not sneaking up on anybody within baseball, and
Speaker 7: they know exactly how well it works and how it
Speaker 7: impacts the game.
Speaker 2: Pitch clockworked, right, nobody's complaining about that. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of things that were introduced to Major League Baseball
Speaker 2: the last couple of years, and I'm okay with ABS. No,
Speaker 2: I just I think we the word robot was you
Speaker 2: know that was introduced. I go, no, No, it's not robotic.
Speaker 2: All it is is a camera is going to watch.
Speaker 2: Just make sure that all of the ballparks have the
Speaker 2: same technology, the same equipment. That's the only thing that
Speaker 2: I would guard against, because there are times when you'll
Speaker 2: watch an NFL game they don't have the same number
Speaker 2: of cameras at a game that let's say it's the
Speaker 2: Packers against the cow Boys, Well they're gonna have more
Speaker 2: cameras there, or a playoff game. You just want to
Speaker 2: make sure that each game is featuring the same kind
Speaker 2: of equipment. Yes, Todd, So the technology.
Speaker 5: Will will tell the umpire what to call. The umpire
Speaker 5: will still be able to announce the balls and strikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he wants to go, they're gonna put it
Speaker 2: up on the jumbo tron or they'll say it in
Speaker 2: his ear, you know, be like strike ball, because because
Speaker 2: you do that, great.
Speaker 5: Ye hit cah, I was still gonna have like those
Speaker 5: sound effects from the umpire, even though it's being told
Speaker 5: by a computer deciding whether it's a bust paper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do that if you want, because I
Speaker 2: would you kind of miss that. I like when you
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, but you miss the grown man in
Speaker 2: a baseball uniform going out to home plate and kicking
Speaker 2: dirt on an umpire. Yes.
Speaker 5: I love what a manager loses their mind. Then they
Speaker 5: just start throwing bats and balls from the dugout and
Speaker 5: they get right in the face and cursing out the
Speaker 5: ump and they got to be held back, and another
Speaker 5: ump is like trying to calm him down.
Speaker 6: I just think that's great. I'd love it.
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 6: It's very sad that it doesn't.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not sad. First of all, you got
Speaker 2: to a grown man in a baseball uniform. That's always weird.
Speaker 2: You know, this out of shape guy and he's gonna
Speaker 2: waddle out there to home plate and he's gonna argue,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna turn my hat backwards. And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get in your face there. It's stupid, it's hysterical, it's sad,
Speaker 2: you know, grown man, I'm gonna pick up this base
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throw it.
Speaker 8: Oh my god. Yes, yes, marmon, tiny correction. They're all
Speaker 8: grown men that are playing Major League baseball. But it's
Speaker 8: just a really grown man, old man, right. Yes, And
Speaker 8: they got numbers. That was always my big Joe toy.
Speaker 8: Why are you wearing number six? Why didn't have numbers?
Speaker 2: Man? Yeah, now, I'm okay with I'm okay with a number.
Speaker 2: Maybe in bank, old managers have the same number. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I would not want to see me in a
Speaker 2: baseball uniform running out the home plate.
Speaker 3: Yes, paul I looked back at the rules for this
Speaker 3: ABS challenge. The batter has to tap his head immediately
Speaker 3: after the umpire's call of ball or strike, and if
Speaker 3: you don't, they could wave it off. You can't pause. Also,
Speaker 3: the dugout can't tap their heads like, hey, man, tap
Speaker 3: your head, tap your head. That is not allowed.
Speaker 2: They're not allowed to influence the battery exactly.
Speaker 3: It's in the language. The manager and the other players
Speaker 3: cannot influence the batter, so can't be any head tapping
Speaker 3: from the dugout?
Speaker 2: Do you think the Astros will abide by that?
Speaker 9: Move on?
Speaker 2: Move on soon, too soon, move on?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 7: I one, I think, like, just do the automated stuff
Speaker 7: tapping your head, but you're only allowed to do it twice.
Speaker 2: But if you get it to right, you get to
Speaker 2: do it. What are we doing? Can you tap your
Speaker 2: head and rub your stomach at the same time? What
Speaker 2: are we doing? What we do?
Speaker 7: By the way, I can't stop thinking about like Phil
Speaker 7: Jackson sitting on the bench in warm ups or something,
Speaker 7: or wearing his uniform still even though he's a certain age,
Speaker 7: Like can you imagine if pat Riley instead of the
Speaker 7: suit and slick back hair, he was in a Lakers
Speaker 7: uniform or then then a heat Like what are we doing?
Speaker 2: If you if you do that, if they wore warm ups,
Speaker 2: I'd be okay with it, But I don't want to
Speaker 2: see some sixty five year old guy's legs there, yes, Todd.
Speaker 5: And there and their jersey tank tap with their big
Speaker 5: seventy year old muscles. That would be entertained too.
Speaker 7: Andy Reid should be doing, oh, you know, calling the
Speaker 7: game in a full you know, helmet pads, everything get well.
Speaker 2: He looked like he did in the punt passing kick
Speaker 2: contest when he was thirteen. What are we doing? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what are we doing making these coaches where they're in uniform, Yes, Marv.
Speaker 8: And baseball, we're going to get tired of guys tapping
Speaker 8: their helmets like we get tired of NBA players gesturing,
Speaker 8: oh you know with the finger. Oh, replay that replay
Speaker 8: challenge that it's gonna get old real fast.
Speaker 2: Uh JJ in Florida, Hi JJ. Woods on your mind, Dan, good.
Speaker 1: Good morning.
Speaker 2: More I'll on the hold.
Speaker 10: I thought of another one, and it's sort of if
Speaker 10: this or either gets the puck off the post or
Speaker 10: the opponent, Holy that gets the puck off the boats
Speaker 10: or the cross bark. That's a good chounce. But the
Speaker 10: one that really gets to me is at the Toona
Speaker 10: or talidated when you have the big one and fifteen
Speaker 10: cars start going sideways down the turn into the wall.
Speaker 9: Crack.
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. That's exciting. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: have If you're not rubbing, you're not racing.
Speaker 5: Yes, Tom, what's gonna happen like in the playoffs or
Speaker 5: the World Series where it's the last out and instead
Speaker 5: of having that moment strength, Oh wait, he tapped his head.
Speaker 5: Old on, you just ruined the whole moment of any
Speaker 5: I know that's gonna be horrible.
Speaker 2: I know, I know it could be. Oh hold on,
Speaker 2: he tapped his head.
Speaker 6: You can't get that moment back because he tapped his head.
Speaker 6: It's over.
Speaker 2: Just ruined the whole last picture of the last ball.
Speaker 2: Didn't that happen?
Speaker 3: In the Super Bowl twenty eight three comeback, Tom Brady
Speaker 3: was at the touchdown to James White to win it,
Speaker 3: and they're like, we got to replay it and look at.
Speaker 2: The video before. I don't think you scored a touchdown.
Speaker 2: Oh you're still Yeah, I don't think so, but I
Speaker 2: do think he should have been MVP. Just it's just
Speaker 2: like Malcolm Butler should have been MVP. Don't get me started. Uh,
Speaker 2: Steven in New York? Hi, Steven, Hey, how's it going, Dan?
Speaker 2: Good Bude.
Speaker 9: Best sound in sports is during COVID MMA like UFC.
Speaker 2: Where you're hearing what everything.
Speaker 9: Just yeah, pretty much everything just to contact from the cists,
Speaker 9: the kicks, just not no crowds around and you can
Speaker 9: just hear everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know when you hear a punch, I get
Speaker 2: a fight. I mean, it's just when they connect and
Speaker 2: all that power and you're just going, I don't know
Speaker 2: how you survive this? H Do you think is that
Speaker 2: more your neck? When like when you're.
Speaker 7: Like to be able to survive hits like that and
Speaker 7: not get just knocked out all the time? Is that
Speaker 7: like next strength?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've never been punched like that, Yes, Todd,
Speaker 2: I was at.
Speaker 5: A De la Hoya fight many years ago in La
Speaker 5: and is when you see like the blood and the
Speaker 5: swelling of the face and that kind of stuff. Even
Speaker 5: though you can get an idea watching on TV, besides
Speaker 5: just the actual punch in the sound, if you get
Speaker 5: an up close look of what how their face is
Speaker 5: getting puffy and contorted, that's a whole other story.
Speaker 6: It's very difficult to.
Speaker 2: Look at it.
Speaker 8: Well.
Speaker 2: One of the Paul brothers got his jaw broken, and
Speaker 2: you know that's when you get punched by somebody who
Speaker 2: does this for a living. You know, you know there's
Speaker 2: no fake stuff or maneuvering or scripted or any of
Speaker 2: that stuff. He got punched, and he that will affect
Speaker 2: him the rest of his life. Because that's where they
Speaker 2: like they rearranged your jawline there, and he's gonna have
Speaker 2: he's gonna have a few surgeries.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he got paid a ton of money. Who's
Speaker 2: the guy who hit him, Anthony Joshua. Okay, mister Joshua,
Speaker 2: well dropped them. Man oh man. That one was where
Speaker 2: you can go. Yeah, okay, you want to be a
Speaker 2: boxing celebrity or personality, here you go. Just make sure that,
Speaker 2: I mean, Tyson would have done that if he was
Speaker 2: allowed to hit Jake Paul. What are you saying. I'm
Speaker 2: saying I wish Mike would have been able to swing away. Damn.
Speaker 6: I did the best they could.
Speaker 2: Then, come on, thank you, Todd. We'll take a break.
Speaker 2: More phone calls coming up. I got to get to
Speaker 2: this NFL stuff, which I will with the GMS because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of topics. It's too much fun. I know.
Speaker 2: We are. We stumbled upon this. We're still waiting for
Speaker 2: Texas Tech to come clean on these basketball rims that
Speaker 2: they have. They shifted the blame to the TV people typical, Yeah,
Speaker 2: blame us the talking hairdoos. We're gonna find out exactly
Speaker 2: why these rims sound so crappy at Texas Tech. Gonna
Speaker 2: have to go down there and put on I'm a
Speaker 2: shooting display. We'll take a break. We'll come back after
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Speaker 2: He does it all cover his college basketball, college football,
Speaker 2: and the Olympics. Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer, have
Speaker 2: you been to Texas Tech like this? Rim is bothering me?
Speaker 2: I turned off the game line night because of the
Speaker 2: sound here. Pat, I'm such a loser.
Speaker 12: It is the the one power conference school I haven't
Speaker 12: been to Okay for some reason, I just can't make
Speaker 12: myself rush to love it. Okay, But so I can't
Speaker 12: tell you whether the rim sounds that bad in person
Speaker 12: as it does on TV.
Speaker 2: Is there an arena where it's noticeable to you, uh,
Speaker 2: with the with like the rim sound like the clank?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: It just sounds different. There's certain there's And March Madness
Speaker 2: brings this out too, where you just hear that clank
Speaker 2: and it drove me crazy last night.
Speaker 12: Yeah, well a lot of times too. March Madness like
Speaker 12: they're bringing out new rims sometimes because you know that
Speaker 12: you're playing in a different arena. Maybe they're using the
Speaker 12: NBA rims, but maybe they're bringing in new ones. So
Speaker 12: you get all kinds of a variety I guess of
Speaker 12: rim tones if you will.
Speaker 2: You were in Italy in Milan for three weeks. So
Speaker 2: ten years from now, the obvious is going to be
Speaker 2: the men's hockey team that we'll remember, correct, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: without question? What would be the second topic that will
Speaker 2: remember from these Olympics.
Speaker 12: The women's team and the women's game. I think hockey
Speaker 12: that was phenomenal. I covered both of those, and the
Speaker 12: intensity of that game was no less than the men's.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think like the Canadian fans especially are
Speaker 12: more bought in on the men's team, but they still
Speaker 12: support women's hockey and hockey is their birthright sport and
Speaker 12: they don't see themselves losing and having it be justifiable
Speaker 12: in any way, shape or formance. Like if the US
Speaker 12: doesn't win gold in basketball, right, there's no excuses, no
Speaker 12: justifiable excuses. So the investment is immense there. And the
Speaker 12: US and the women's tide was so dominant and blew
Speaker 12: out the Canadians, and you think that's going to be
Speaker 12: a walkover, and it ended up being this unbelievable dogfight
Speaker 12: that really mirrored the men's. It was one to one
Speaker 12: in ot going into overtime, took us spectacular goal to win.
Speaker 12: So I think that one really stood out to me
Speaker 12: as well. The skiing, the alpine skiing shifferent and then
Speaker 12: the horrible, horrible injury to Lindsay Vaughan as well.
Speaker 2: You you know, we made a movie out of the
Speaker 2: miracle on ice this this hockey team. It played out
Speaker 2: like it was a movie in real life that's happening here.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see Timothy Chalomey playing Jack Hughes
Speaker 2: with his teeth cracked at the end of it. Johnny Hockey,
Speaker 2: you know, they bring out Goodrow's jersey, they bring out
Speaker 2: his kids on the ice, you know, us against Canada.
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just felt theatrical more than you know,
Speaker 2: I thought it was going to one.
Speaker 12: Hundred percent cinematic, that's for sure. I mean it was.
Speaker 12: It was incredible, not just you know, the storylines, but
Speaker 12: then the way the game played out, and then yes,
Speaker 12: the the aftermath, the elements. First of all, yes, of
Speaker 12: the the guy that scores the winning goal getting his
Speaker 12: face busted open a few minutes earlier, but then yes,
Speaker 12: the Gaudreau scene was incredible there in person, I ended
Speaker 12: up standing behind Johnny Hockey's family during the anthem and
Speaker 12: talking to his dad immediately afterward. And I mean, you
Speaker 12: want to talk about an emotional scene, and just you know,
Speaker 12: it was hard for them to be there, really hard
Speaker 12: for them to be there, but the pride that they had,
Speaker 12: and then I think the way that they were honored
Speaker 12: by the team was immensely gratifying for them.
Speaker 2: How surprising was it to actually see them there?
Speaker 12: I was surprised, Like I you know, again, I don't
Speaker 12: know whether if I were in that situation, it would
Speaker 12: have the wherewithal to be there for that. But they're
Speaker 12: a hockey family. I mean, Guy Gudreau, the dad was
Speaker 12: a player, was a coach. They you know, hockey is
Speaker 12: in their blood and so they were certainly going to
Speaker 12: be watching the games anyway. And I think, you know,
Speaker 12: the the poll or the investment that the invitation that
Speaker 12: was offered for them to be part of it and
Speaker 12: in such a meaningful way, I think really sold him
Speaker 12: on let's let's go ahead and do it. And then
Speaker 12: to have it turn out that way, I mean, you know,
Speaker 12: for American Americans to be pretty badly outplayed for a
Speaker 12: lot of that game and still find a way to win,
Speaker 12: and then to honor him who You're right, that is theatrical.
Speaker 2: Pat forty Sports Illustrated senior writer and his podcast others
Speaker 2: receiving votes. I was curious about some of the talent
Speaker 2: at the combine. You cover college football, and best player
Speaker 2: you saw this year at any position was who.
Speaker 12: Maybe Jeremiah Love in terms of like I think translation
Speaker 12: to NFL boy, I look at him and I think
Speaker 12: that he I'd be really shocked if he missed. I
Speaker 12: think Fernando Mendoz is awesome. I voted for him to
Speaker 12: win the Heisman. He's probably gonna be the first pick.
Speaker 12: But quarterback going into the Raiders in that situation, you know,
Speaker 12: best of luck to you. Ruben Bain from Miami is
Speaker 12: another guy who I think is close to can't miss,
Speaker 12: just incredible motor, violence, instinct, everything, and at a position
Speaker 12: where there's always a premium on talent for rushing the passer.
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson, you know, I got to see him a
Speaker 2: couple of times, like a full game, and I was
Speaker 2: impressed with him. But then at the end of the year,
Speaker 2: you know, he fell off, the team fell off, he
Speaker 2: got hurt. But it still feels like you know, supply
Speaker 2: and demand. There's one it feels like surefire quarterback, and
Speaker 2: then there's a couple that I don't know. I don't Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that brings me to somebody is going to jump
Speaker 2: in the first round probably and draft him, and in
Speaker 2: any other draft he's probably not a first round pick.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 12: There's a very low supply of good quarterbacks this year,
Speaker 12: and so he becomes more valuable, and you know, I agree, Look,
Speaker 12: there are times I thought he played exceptionally well. He
Speaker 12: would have great games where he would have great stretches
Speaker 12: of but then by the end of the season he
Speaker 12: was not very effective. It looked like he lost a
Speaker 12: lot of his confidence. You know, against Indiana he looked
Speaker 12: completely perplexed, confused, overwhelmed, and then he ended up getting hurt,
Speaker 12: you know.
Speaker 2: Quarterback.
Speaker 12: To me, it's such a learning positions. You know, the
Speaker 12: very few guys just come in and are ready to
Speaker 12: go right away. And so I think you look at
Speaker 12: ty Simpson and think, yeah, he can get there, but
Speaker 12: are you gonna thrust him into a bad position early
Speaker 12: and risk you know, fracturing his confidence even further than
Speaker 12: it seemed like it happened at Alabama. I don't know,
Speaker 12: you know, that's one of those things. That's why they
Speaker 12: pay gms to kind of do that calculus of how
Speaker 12: soon do we need somebody who's probably not ready.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's an aberration. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's just a stretch here, but it suddenly feels
Speaker 2: like college football runs through the Big Ten and not
Speaker 2: the SEC. If you're the SEC, you don't have tech money,
Speaker 2: some have oil money. But how do you counter the
Speaker 2: Big Ten moving forward?
Speaker 12: It's a great question because there really is been. There
Speaker 12: has been an undeniable shift, right. They've won three different
Speaker 12: three straight national champions who with three different teams the
Speaker 12: kind of thing the SEC used to do. The SEC
Speaker 12: hasn't had a team in the championship game the last
Speaker 12: three years. And yes, the pockets tend to be deeper
Speaker 12: with alumni bases at those huge, relatively academically prestigious Midwestern universities, Eastern,
Speaker 12: you know some to the West too, they're all over
Speaker 12: the place now with the Big ten. I think what
Speaker 12: you have to do is get back to proof of
Speaker 12: concept and say we will pay you enough so that
Speaker 12: you're getting you're getting a good college living, but we're
Speaker 12: gonna get you to the NFL where you're gonna make
Speaker 12: a great college living.
Speaker 2: You've got to be able.
Speaker 12: To show we're gonna put guys in the first round
Speaker 12: and we're gonna get you those contracts, and you're gonna
Speaker 12: be rich regardless of You're gonna be kind of rich
Speaker 12: in college, and then you're gonna be filthy rich afterwards
Speaker 12: because you've played at Georgia or you've played at Alabama,
Speaker 12: or you played at Texas.
Speaker 2: But is as simple as some have suggested that hey,
Speaker 2: you paid players. Now everybody gets paid, therefore you don't
Speaker 2: have that advantage.
Speaker 12: No, no, no, no, that you know, the oversimplifications of
Speaker 12: all these things are kind of humorous, you know. I mean,
Speaker 12: there has been a shift, but that doesn't mean nobody
Speaker 12: else was cheating.
Speaker 13: I'm relatively aware of what was going on at various
Speaker 13: different schools, NCAA investigations, what the parking lots looked like
Speaker 13: in a lot of those football powers that weren't in
Speaker 13: the SEC.
Speaker 12: Come on, now, it's not that simple to would degree. Yeah,
Speaker 12: but it's not the factor.
Speaker 2: Okay, you not to name the school, but is there
Speaker 2: one you know that maybe was egregious in what they
Speaker 2: were doing? He got a story.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think there are plenty of them in
Speaker 12: the state of Texas, none of which used to be
Speaker 12: in the SEC until recently. The West Coast certainly. I mean, look,
Speaker 12: USC got hit pretty hard. Miami had some spectacular scandals.
Speaker 12: Everybody remembers Devin Shapiro there. Clemson had some stuff going
Speaker 12: on back in the day. So you know, it's happened.
Speaker 12: It's been around at various places. So I'm not here
Speaker 12: to say that everybody else was clutching their pearls pristinely
Speaker 12: while the SEC was wheeling and dealing.
Speaker 2: Okay, but should USC have been punished as harshly as
Speaker 2: they were for the Reggie Bush situation in retrospect.
Speaker 12: No, no, But that doesn't mean that there wasn't financial
Speaker 12: reward for going to school there at a time when
Speaker 12: that was not part of the rules. But no, the
Speaker 12: penalty was oversized. And that's Look, the history of the
Speaker 12: NCAA hey has been incredibly inefficient punishment punctuated with overinforcement.
Speaker 12: Basically every once in a while when they finally get somebody,
Speaker 12: they overdo it. And I think us he's probably the
Speaker 12: biggest example of that.
Speaker 2: Well, look back to Jim Tressel. Yeah, that was over
Speaker 2: tattoos and players, you know, giving trading in their equipment
Speaker 2: to get you know, like sure costume is.
Speaker 12: To trust a light about it, and that's what That's what.
Speaker 2: I always get you.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the the economics of it, we are pretty laughable
Speaker 12: by what we're looking at today.
Speaker 2: The number one storyline in college basketball is what.
Speaker 12: Uh to me? It is this unbelievable freshman class and
Speaker 12: whether or not they can get over against some of
Speaker 12: the more experienced teams in front of them like Michigan
Speaker 12: and Arizona's got a really good freshman cope, But Michigan
Speaker 12: has got this kind of juggernaut team that's not relying
Speaker 12: on the young guys. But then Duke's got Boozer And
Speaker 12: I mean, so so many different teams have great freshman players.
Speaker 12: Kansas has Peterson. You know, there's like eight really good freshmen.
Speaker 12: Can they Can they take a team to a national
Speaker 12: championship in March? I in in April? I think Florida
Speaker 12: look out for them. They're coming together at the right time.
Speaker 12: And that is not a freshman dependent team either. So
Speaker 12: can the veteran teams beat the freshman led star teams?
Speaker 2: The Darren Peterson situation, what do you make of this?
Speaker 2: That he might be the best player in college basketball?
Speaker 2: But I would not be drafting him until I got
Speaker 2: further explanation into do you really love basketball?
Speaker 12: Yeah, that would be my point exactly. If I'm an
Speaker 12: NBAGM Like, they're gonna be ten good freshmen coming out,
Speaker 12: and do you want one who's gonna be like, Eh,
Speaker 12: I'm not playing today, you know or tomorrow. Check back
Speaker 12: on Thursday. We'll see you know. I'm gonna take myself
Speaker 12: out of games that you're gonna make a massive investment
Speaker 12: in somebody who hasn't proved what you said, does he
Speaker 12: how much does he like basketball? How much does he
Speaker 12: want to play? How much does he want to compete
Speaker 12: when he's out there? Who he's really good? But I'd
Speaker 12: be looking at these other guys and saying, Yeah, they're
Speaker 12: playing forty minutes and they're playing every game, and I
Speaker 12: kind of like that more.
Speaker 2: When does tournament expansion start?
Speaker 12: They're still pushing for it for twenty twenty seven. I
Speaker 12: would expect it to probably happen then and they'll go
Speaker 12: to seventy six and it'll be terrible. But you know,
Speaker 12: that's what Charlie Baker wants, that's what a lot of
Speaker 12: other people want. They're trying to, you know, dredge some
Speaker 12: more money out of the broadcast deal for this, but
Speaker 12: they also want to make everybody happy by getting more
Speaker 12: teams in the tournament. I think it's a terrible development.
Speaker 12: I don't think it helps the tournament in any way.
Speaker 12: But I think it's coming, whether it's twenty seven or beyond.
Speaker 12: There's been a lot of backlash that's pushed it back.
Speaker 12: I thought it could be this year, and now it's
Speaker 12: a maybe probably for next year. So the backlash is
Speaker 12: at least forestalled things a bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, but what happens first college basketball expansion or college
Speaker 2: football playoff expansion?
Speaker 12: Oh, college football playoff expansion is certainly coming sixteen, hopefully
Speaker 12: enough this ridiculous twenty four. They may be, may coincide,
Speaker 12: may both be in twenty twenty seven. You know, that
Speaker 12: might be what we're looking at here. But you know,
Speaker 12: I like twelve. I think twelve is great and has
Speaker 12: been really good from the last two years. Happy to
Speaker 12: see it again in twenty twenty six. But they want sixteen.
Speaker 12: And if it's a choice between sixteen or twenty four,
Speaker 12: I'll run to sixteen.
Speaker 2: It's about money, pat, I mean, all these years it
Speaker 2: was one versus two, and then we went to four
Speaker 2: and I was happy at four. Yeah, you know, we
Speaker 2: doubled the size of the playoffs. Now you go to twelve.
Speaker 2: I'm happy with twelve. But they're looking at all the
Speaker 2: money here. That's college basketball, all of the money. That's
Speaker 2: what it's all about. And it's not a question of if.
Speaker 2: But when we have expansion. Now you know, we had
Speaker 2: Jim Beaheim on who's he suggested ninety six teams in
Speaker 2: the NC DOUBLEA Tournament. I mean, come on, every coach
Speaker 2: would want expansion, do ensure they get into the postseason.
Speaker 2: But after a while, I mean I grew up when
Speaker 2: it was thirty two teams in the NC DOUBLEA Tournament
Speaker 2: and seemed like a lot back then.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and they expanded to forty it was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: And then they went to forty eight. Whoa?
Speaker 6: You know, I thought.
Speaker 12: Sixty four was the absolute sweet spot, fantastic. You know,
Speaker 12: they went there in nineteen eighty five, the seeding one
Speaker 12: through sixteen, everybody played the same number of games. It
Speaker 12: was perfect. Then they started junking it up more, and
Speaker 12: they're going to continue to junk it up more. Never
Speaker 12: listen to the coaches. Don't look that's a great coach.
Speaker 12: It doesn't mean he knows what's good for college basketball,
Speaker 12: what's good for coaches? They all only think of themselves.
Speaker 12: They never think of anything outside of this is my
Speaker 12: worldview right here, these binoculars, these blinders.
Speaker 2: I love it. You're fired up, already ready to go.
Speaker 2: I love it so on March. Thank you, Pat, Good
Speaker 2: to talk to you all right, you too, man, Pat
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Speaker 2: I mentioned a couple of things in the first hour
Speaker 2: of the program, the sound of the Rims at Texas
Speaker 2: Tech with the game against Cincinnati last night, and I
Speaker 2: also brought up Connor Griffin. So yesterday I see, you know,
Speaker 2: spring training baseball. You're kind of flipping around looking for
Speaker 2: something to watch, and there's Connor Griffin, nineteen years of age,
Speaker 2: hit two bombs. First teenager to make his debut on
Speaker 2: opening day. Maybe he'll be able to do this since
Speaker 2: Ken Griffy Junior in nineteen eighty nine. Steat of the day,
Speaker 2: stat of the days, stead of the day, stat of
Speaker 2: the day? Here comes? Here comes that? What stat of
Speaker 2: the day. But Connor Griffin is a six to four
Speaker 2: shortstop with the Pirates and trying to be I'm the
Speaker 2: first teenager and to be on the opening day roster
Speaker 2: since Junior did it for the Mariners in nineteen eighty nine. Okay,
Speaker 2: it was good. It was fun to see yesterday. Granted
Speaker 2: it's spring training. There are times when you'll watch spring
Speaker 2: training and I've gone to spring training probably for thirty
Speaker 2: five to forty years, and you'll see somebody and you go, man,
Speaker 2: that guy's really good. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you don't hear from the guy, and he's back in
Speaker 2: the minor leagues.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paulie Ken Griffie's debut in eighty nine. He was
Speaker 3: nineteen years, one hundred and thirty three days old. He
Speaker 3: had three at bats. He did get a hit. In
Speaker 3: his rookie year, he hit two sixty four with sixteen
Speaker 3: homers sixty one ribies.
Speaker 2: Okay, didn't the Orioles. Orioles had a prospect. His dad
Speaker 2: played in the major leagues Jackson Holliday. Yes, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't on the regular He wasn't on the opening day roster,
Speaker 2: and I think he was a teenager. He really struggled
Speaker 2: when he came up. He wasn't ready. Then they sent
Speaker 2: him back down.
Speaker 6: Oh, I just wanted I just wanted to hear one
Speaker 6: more time.
Speaker 2: Connor Griffin. Yeah, Andrew in Washington, Hi Andrew, thanks for holding.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Dan Dennet, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 14: Just a couple of comments on a few podcasts that
Speaker 14: have come out, and then also, I don't know a
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Speaker 14: any of our listeners get a chance to any of
Speaker 14: your listeners get a chance to listen to a twelve
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Speaker 4: That was great. He's a number one fan, such a
Speaker 4: nice guy. Also the podcast, Todd, great job. I hope
Speaker 4: that that saving a bite Burger girl does not slip
Speaker 4: into your d M, because I don't know what you
Speaker 4: would do after twenty three years of marriage, still happily married,
Speaker 4: as you reminded us three.
Speaker 2: Or four times on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Also, we're sound in sports right now. Lebron James missing
Speaker 4: a game winning shot again, I mean Orlando Magic team.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you they had more, just want they had
Speaker 4: two offensive rebounds before window Carter put in the game
Speaker 4: winning shot.
Speaker 2: But you also had Luca who passed up the shot.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it's not this isn't going as
Speaker 2: scripted there. Thanks for the phone call. Andrew. Yeah, you're watching,
Speaker 2: and you know everybody's trying to figure out what everybody's doing.
Speaker 2: And when you have a ball dominant player, it's really
Speaker 2: tough to play with a player like that because you
Speaker 2: want to let them do what they do. But then
Speaker 2: you got to be ready when they're going to pass
Speaker 2: you the ball. And Luca can get his shot anywhere.
Speaker 2: And now you've got Austin Reeves who's a legitimate star,
Speaker 2: and then you got Lebron who is still holding onto
Speaker 2: his stardom as maybe a number one option even though
Speaker 2: he's probably the third option on that team. But it
Speaker 2: comes down to defense. So, like I say, with any
Speaker 2: of these sports, what do you do in crunch time?
Speaker 2: You got to play defense. You got to get a stop.
Speaker 2: And this Laker team, there'll be a curiosity in the postseason,
Speaker 2: but they won't be a threat. I just can't see
Speaker 2: it happening. And I touched on this with Reggie Miller
Speaker 2: about Luca. He complains constantly, and it's kind of sad
Speaker 2: to see because you know, what are you twenty six
Speaker 2: years of age? You know older guys will complain. The
Speaker 2: younger guys usually don't, but you know, Luca's elevated into
Speaker 2: a top five player. It's just after a while it's
Speaker 2: kind of embarrassing for that player that not every call
Speaker 2: is going to go your way, and you get that
Speaker 2: feeling of he's like almost every time something goes wrong,
Speaker 2: it feels like somebody else is to blame. Yes, Marvin,
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 8: Big issue is speaking of lack of defense. Luca's over
Speaker 8: there arguing with the ress and the other team is
Speaker 8: already on the offensive end. No, you're right, and now
Speaker 8: you know you're at a disadvantage. It's four and five
Speaker 8: now because you're sitting there arguing with the ref and
Speaker 8: it's the NBA open shots.
Speaker 6: That's practice for these guys.
Speaker 2: But you gotta have at least some effort. Just give
Speaker 2: me a little effort. You're not a lockdown defender, but
Speaker 2: you can't be an embarrassment on the defensive end.
Speaker 3: Yes, Paulie, if you were a star player, would you
Speaker 3: totally go the other way and ease off officials and
Speaker 3: pick your spots?
Speaker 2: Well, Reggie Miller told us, and he said, look, I
Speaker 2: was a whiner, a crier, and it doesn't help. I
Speaker 2: can't imagine it helping you if you're out there constantly complaining.
Speaker 2: I don't know these officials are going to go shut
Speaker 2: up like they're human too, Like you're complaining that they're
Speaker 2: not doing their job well. And I can't imagine that
Speaker 2: official is going to go, Man, all right, I want
Speaker 2: Lebron to like me or Luca to like me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, seen, I think there's a reason that the saying exists.
Speaker 7: The squeaky wheel gets the oil, right, isn't that the grease,
Speaker 7: the grease whatever, same thing.
Speaker 2: You get the point.
Speaker 7: I think there's a reason for that, and I think
Speaker 7: it's why you see so many players being demonstrative.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going by what Reggie said. He said it
Speaker 2: didn't help him and he would complain and whine all
Speaker 2: the time. But I mean, Luca, it's it is. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised when he doesn't complain. That's how often it happens. Yes, Marv.
Speaker 8: And it's something as small as he makes a shot
Speaker 8: and his arms are in the air. Yeah, man, just
Speaker 8: get back on defense.
Speaker 2: I know he wants to plead his case while the
Speaker 2: other team is going down on a you know, five
Speaker 2: on four.
Speaker 6: Yes, Hub, And if the whining did help, then you're
Speaker 6: like being an enagbler.
Speaker 5: Now you're thinking like, oh, if you start giving him
Speaker 5: calls because he's whining, then you're just encouraging it even more.
Speaker 6: The more I whine, looks like they're gonna give me
Speaker 6: a couple more.
Speaker 2: Calls here now, Okay. Growing up in the Bird and
Speaker 2: Magic and Larry and Jordan Eira, those guys complained a
Speaker 2: lot and then it felt like they got calls. So
Speaker 2: maybe it's a generation watching previous generation going well, that's
Speaker 2: what you do. You just complain, I'll get those calls.
Speaker 2: Final Hour on the way, we'll talk about the combine
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