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Speaker 1: This series contains discussions of violence and sexual violence. Listener

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Speaker 1: discretion is advised. Previously an algorithm, we dug into Darren

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Speaker 1: Bond's past crimes, like how he terrorized his ex girlfriend

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Speaker 1: and go to Building of All It. After serving time

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Speaker 1: and Gary, Von moved back to Austin where he's sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulted and almost killed a young woman Papa. But prosecutors

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Speaker 1: in Austin say they were unaware of Von's violent past

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Speaker 1: and labeled him as a low risk offender. Von pled

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Speaker 1: guilty and served five years in prison, and after his

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Speaker 1: release he went straight back to Indiana. This episode what

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Speaker 1: happened when women started disappearing in Gary? But I really

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Speaker 1: thought we caught longs half ago the first personal right

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Speaker 1: no now states where this is everything from my Heart

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Speaker 1: Keye Brick. After Vaughan was released from prison in Austin

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Speaker 1: he needed somewhere to stay. Von ended up going straight

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Speaker 1: back to Gary and moving in with his brother, Reginald Beard.

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Speaker 1: It's unclear exactly when Von started killing after he returned

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Speaker 1: to Indiana, but Von's confirmed murders, the ones where he

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Speaker 1: six months after Vaughan was released from prison, when on Januen,

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Speaker 1: Tierra Batty disappeared. She was kind person. Either if she

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Speaker 1: She was like putting a smile on a person's face.

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Speaker 1: My name is Marvin Clinton and gl was fiance. And

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Speaker 1: how did you guys first meet? I'm in her on

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Speaker 1: off from there. Marvin liked how kind Tier was and

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Speaker 1: guessed her thing was football. My thing was basketball. But

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Speaker 1: Tira and Marvin continued to date over the next four years,

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Speaker 1: You'll actually hear him some in the background of this

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Speaker 1: In January, Marvin Clinton's fiancee, Tierra Batty, disappeared. Marvin called

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it would tell him the voicemail was full, but

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Speaker 1: Marvin realized that the phone was a clue. If Tira

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Speaker 1: callings from the numbers, and a lot of numbers had

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Speaker 1: I said, well, this person is missing and it showed

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Speaker 1: And do you remember around when that would have been.

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Speaker 1: after he'd given the Gary police hear his Foon records,

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Speaker 1: But my thing is I'm trying to get answers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so you're going to hear from me until we do

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Speaker 1: his own. I would go to different nightclubs, different bars

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Speaker 1: of it. If you see her, here's my phone novel

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Speaker 1: or calmed now one one because she's been reported missing.

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Speaker 1: And then around March, somewhere between March April. I started

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