1 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: of course fun. I have to say that today I 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: am beyond excited to welcome this guest onto the pod. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: She is such an amazing badass woman that you might 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: know from her massively successful podcast The Lady Gang or 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: as the host of E News Kelty Knights. Kelty is 8 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: truly one of the first people I spoke to about 9 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: doing this for rewatch series, and she truly convinced me 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: to do it, I think, and she is such an 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: incredible cheerleader and friend. She also happens to be a 12 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: huge Rachel zop Project fan, and she is not holding 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: back on all her questions about episode four and what 14 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: my life was really like during that time. Buckle up, 15 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: because here comes my friend Kelty. Can I just dive 16 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: like I have to go, Helty, this is your show, 17 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: beib it's way. I wanted to be your show. 18 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I have so many, so many questions, and 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 2: I think watching this where I'm at in my career 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 2: being the host of E News. Having done we had 21 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 2: a Lady Gang podcast show on E that was behind 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 2: the scenes, so I know kind of all sides of 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: like what comes forward facing us and like what it's 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: like to film behind I just have so many questions 25 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: about the access that you had, because this was this episode, 26 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: Season one, episode four that we're talking about. You go 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: to fashion Week and you're set up at the Thompson Hotel, 28 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 2: and that's easy to shoot. Get a camera crew in 29 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: your hotel room, no problem. But the fact that you're 30 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,199 Speaker 2: like backstage with Oscar della Renta, how did you possibly 31 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 2: produce and get your cameras backstage and get that access? 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 2: And how difficult was it to get the yeses from 33 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: these massive brands, massive designers, massive celebrities when it was 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: really a format that no one really knew yet. 35 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: Yep, that's I mean, it's a great question because in hindsight, 36 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: I think that was probably the hardest part in some ways. 37 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: But when I look at it, I'm like, wow, Okay, 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: So the ones that said yes were either ones that 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: I was so close with, like Oscar or Diane fum 40 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: person work that I had real relationships with, But really 41 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: it was the designers that understood the power of marketing, 42 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:26,839 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So like Ultimately, I think 43 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: at some point down the road, we see Tommy Hilfiger, 44 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: we saw Michael Corer's was like one of the first 45 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: to say yes, okay now interrupting for a very special 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: message and story from my amazing and most genius friend 47 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: Michael Correr's. 48 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: When I think back to the audience, Rachel was really 49 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: like I don't know, she just had her finger always 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 3: on the pulse. And to me, whenever you saw a 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: celebrity that she dressed, you knew that it was a 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 3: Rachel Zoe moment. Was it was this seventies sexy, boho, puddling, 53 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 3: fabulous moment at all times. And it was just sort 54 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 3: of like the great collaboration for me as a designer 55 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: to work with someone like Rachel, who you just had 56 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 3: this weird kind of way of talking to each other 57 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 3: without saying anything. I think the funniest moment that I 58 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 3: remember back in the late audis with Rachel. We did 59 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: a photo shoot together and it was for Harper's Bizarre 60 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 3: and you know, not only did her girls have such 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 3: a look, she had such a look, but then of 62 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: course she had the greatest catchphrase and everything was I Die, 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: I Die, which was so amazing. So we did a fabulous, 64 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: fabulous photo shoot where I was kind of like mass murderer, 65 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: kind of American psycho, and I buried her in a 66 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: giant pile of handbags with a shovel. It was hysterical 67 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: the entire time we did it. We were laughing. And 68 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: of course, you know who better than Rachel to say 69 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: I die, but to die for being smothered by all 70 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 3: these gorgeous handbags. 71 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: Thank you so so much, Michael, I love you madly. 72 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 1: Diane Oscar. I think he and I he had never 73 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: done anything like that, and I think it was our 74 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: I think he knew like I had a crush on him. 75 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: We had such like a special relationship because he was 76 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: such a gentleman and I loved him, and we'd collaborated 77 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: so much together, and I think he trusted me. And 78 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: I think again that goes back to your first question 79 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: of like how much should I EP? And I think 80 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,559 Speaker 1: for me, the things that I found I was doing 81 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: the most was making sure to get important designers that 82 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: to me were like my heroes, like the Mark Jacobs 83 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: and Oscar and Michael and Diane and whatever. And I 84 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: think that there was so many knows about certain things, 85 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: and the people that said no more so were the 86 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: very look down at you fashion people, the real fashion people, 87 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: like the really real fashion people were like, don't show 88 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: me to make sure the camera doesn't get me, or 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: like whatever, okay, And then by like season two or three, 90 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: everyone was like, show me, can we do a shoot 91 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: for our magazine? The one that was like, no, you're 92 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: going to embarrass us. So it got easier. I think 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: once people realized I wasn't out to humiliate them, I 94 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: was actually out to celebrate them and amplify them. And 95 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: the celebrities was hard because I'm someone who doesn't ask 96 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: anything of anyone, and so for me, I think doing 97 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: the ask was hard. And you know, we had people 98 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: on the show in our production company that would do 99 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: the reach out, but ultimately I would have to do 100 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: it anyway, you know, but it was hard. 101 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: Well, it's just so crazy because if you look at 102 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: the media landscape now, like getting someone like at a 103 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner level or Cameron Diaz level, like you know, 104 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: they may once every ten years do some sort of 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 2: Vogue video where you're allowed to go in their hotel 106 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: room and see them getting ready, but like their hair 107 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: and makeup's already done and they're literally just putting the 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 2: bracelet on and like that's they're getting ready. 109 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 110 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 2: But the fact that people, these huge stars showed up 111 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: to your studio in their sweatpants, hair in a messy 112 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: bun doing the fitting, allowing them to be not fitting 113 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: an address or it not working. I thought that there 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: was this level of reality that is completely gone from 115 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: fashion because we only see the highlight reel now. So, 116 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: you know, is it just that in twenty twenty four, 117 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: the stylists are better, the dresses are better fitting, we 118 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 2: never have a problem, or is it just that nothing 119 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: has opened up? 120 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: Like nothing's opened up? And I think, you know, it's funny. 121 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: Most recently, I've seen a few people that have had 122 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: newborns and they're showing themselves like in real and I'm like, wow, 123 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: it's so nice to not see a highlight reel to 124 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: make people feel human. And I think for me, the 125 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: entire intention behind the Rachel Zoe project was not petty 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: assistant drama. It was actually to really open the curtain 127 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: on the brilliance behind the fashion industry that nobody could 128 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: see and nobody could know. And you know, it's interesting 129 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: because I think to your point, you know, when so 130 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: many of these stylists now they're so they're so sweet 131 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: about how I impacted their lives. And because I haven't 132 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: watched the show in forever, I didn't fully, I don't 133 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: think understand what they were referring to. And as I'm 134 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: watching it, I see that if you're this young person 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't really understand what a stylist is, you can 136 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: see that the good, the bad, and the very ugly 137 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: of it, you know, in the pain points, you know, 138 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: and what it I think takes, you know. And I 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: think that was really important to me to be as 140 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: absolutely real as possible, and to the extent that my 141 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: clients would show that. Some of them were like, I'm 142 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: so in whatever you want, I trust you, I got you, 143 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: And some of them were like, no fucking way, hell you. 144 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 3: No. 145 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: My question is in the like what I would call 146 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I think your era has never died, but 147 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: like in the Rachel Zoe area where you you know, 148 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: it was you and you alone, most powerful stylist saying 149 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: no to everyone who wasn't you know, everyone wanted to 150 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: be a Rachel Zoe girl. Did everyone on the red 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 2: carpet or in Hollywood have some sort of stylist or 152 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: was there an era where like certain people have stylus 153 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 2: and then certain people were dressing themselves like I always be. 154 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: And the reason I ask is that, you know, I 155 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: personally feel that some of the red carpet fashion of 156 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: our life, even though the fashion is amazing, it can 157 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,559 Speaker 2: get a little monotonous and boring because sure, everyone has 158 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: a stylust now and everyone's perfect. There are no worse 159 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 2: dressed because everyone comes looking good all the time. It's 160 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: just a decision of like if that dresses your cup 161 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 2: of tea. But back in the day, I felt like 162 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: people got it like epically wrong and epically right, and 163 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 2: there was such a level. So when you were in 164 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 2: your rages, are was everyone having a stylist too? 165 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: Or no? Yes and no, I think the answer is 166 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: yes to some extent, most of the people you knew definitely. 167 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: You know, I've definitely had stylus. I think it was 168 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: not something the way it is now that is so shared. 169 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: It's like now you actually see which is why there's 170 00:09:55,320 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: no fashion police. Right. You see the looks even before 171 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: they hit the carpet, that the hair and makeup people 172 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: and the stylist and the client a lot of the 173 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: time are all posting at the same time, credits, the look, 174 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes, even before they get to the venue. 175 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: So now I think it's almost like over expect, Like 176 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: now I think there's no mystery. I do think you 177 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: see the get ready. Sometimes a celebrity will show their 178 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 1: real self unmade up. But before that, a lot most 179 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: people did not have stylus. They were dressed by the 180 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: house and that's why you always saw people in the 181 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 1: same designer. 182 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: So like they were getting the free clothes. But it 183 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: was like Prada was like, hey, we working with their 184 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 2: publicists saying oh kind of yes, yes, yeah, a lot 185 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: of that. 186 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: And also like Michelle Pfeiffer was like dressed by George Ormani, 187 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: you know, and they would she would go in and 188 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: they would work directly with her. You know. It was 189 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: very much that And I think that goes back to 190 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: like the Audrey heppern days and Sophia Lauran, I mean, 191 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, very di Javont she would dress them directly, 192 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: or Holston would dress Bianca Jagger or you know, so 193 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: and and it's beautiful and I think that's sort of 194 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: like the vibe of like a Tom Ford, you know, 195 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: like you go into his studio and you you know, 196 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: I was talking. 197 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 2: I was at E News just today. I was talking 198 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: with Justin Sylvester, my co host, who loves you. 199 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: In the male We're going to do one with him. 200 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, oh, hey, I'm going to see Ray, 201 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: I'm gonna see Rachel later. And we were talking about 202 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: actually how perfect the show. The format of the show 203 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: was because you're and as we say, we used your words, 204 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: you're nuts, so bananas, like your bananas, your bananas in 205 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: like such a lovely, lovable way because you like you 206 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: really love your husband, but you really love a Chanel outfit, 207 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: and like you really love your clients, and you're very 208 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: passionate and like all but you're nuts, like you're completely 209 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: you're off, You're you're like goodbye hello coffee, like hotform shoes, 210 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 2: like you're all over the place. But I think what 211 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 2: was great is that we were saying, you know, it 212 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: was never Rachel throwing the table, It was never Rachel 213 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: throwing down like she was always she looked good. And 214 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: the drama was your pressure and perfectionism. But then the 215 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: people around you, and it was a little hard it's 216 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: actually a little hard to go back and watch and 217 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: watch the tailor Brad Rushing season one, right, yeah, like 218 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts of that? Because you know how 219 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 2: it's all turned out all these twenty years later or whatever. 220 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: But watching the start of it, I mean, Brad in 221 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: episode two, like not even remembering tape double stick tape, 222 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: I'm like, holy shit, Like you knew nothing, So what 223 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 2: is it like for you to go back and watch 224 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 2: those two that you mentored so much right at the start. 225 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: It's very hard. It's really it's really hard, and I think, listen, truthly, 226 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: I think it probably has a lot to do with 227 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: why I haven't watched it. One because it's hard to 228 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: listen to my voice. Two I just looked at Mary 229 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: I was like, how annoying is my boys too? Because 230 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: I think when I watch it from the sky, I'm 231 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: sort of like, wow, you are a frenetic, perfectionist, psychotically 232 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: obsessed stylist with having everyone. I could see myself trying 233 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: to please every single person to the best that I could, 234 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: but also trying to maintain a husband and forget like 235 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: a personal life, because that wasn't that was not something 236 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: I ever considered and to be honest, not even now 237 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: other than my children. Right, Like, so, I think the 238 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: biggest takeaway for me is exhaustion. When I truthfully, when 239 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: I look at it, I understand why in two thousand 240 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: and nine, I basically like got I got vertigo for 241 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: over a year and I got so sick. And I 242 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: understand because I'm looking at myself and I'm like, why 243 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 1: did anyone tell me that I looked like the no 244 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: amount of concealer that Joey could pound my face with, which, 245 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: by the way, my hair and makeup were next level horrible. 246 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: But that's it's not Joey's. It just is what it was. 247 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: But it I just looked really tired and haggard, and 248 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: you could see that I was wearing down from all 249 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: of it. And so when I look at the Brad 250 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: and Taylor of it, I'm sort of like, wow, how 251 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: many red flags could I not have seen in Taylor? 252 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: As she was so she was so mean to me, 253 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: Like she was mean to me, like she kept yelling 254 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: at me. Everything was like ugh, ugh ugh. And now 255 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: I here now even now when I'll like literally being 256 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: an airport and someone will say to me like, oh, 257 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: I hated so and so you know, and I'm like, 258 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, people were so invested in this, and 259 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: as I'm watching it, I'm like, how did I not 260 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: see that coming? Right? How do I not see that? A? 261 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: And B. I think the braad of it all, I 262 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: think that is a classic case of it's it's Rachel. 263 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like giving too much, too soon, 264 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: too much keys to the kingdom before you know, and 265 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's very hard, you know, because people, 266 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: I think often ask like, what are your greatest regrets 267 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: in life? What are your great you know? And there's 268 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: a big part of me that says, like, regrets don't 269 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: do anything. They just poison the present, right, Like you 270 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: can't go back and then you know, when you look back, 271 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's so many things that would do different, 272 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: you know. But I think part of that is it's 273 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: almost like I had to do that to get to 274 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: be who I am now, you know. 275 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, it's interesting to watch as 276 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: a viewer. I kind of wondered from like with my 277 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 2: producer head on, like was Brad and I'm talking episode 278 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 2: We're on episode four. I hope this I hope you 279 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 2: recap all the seasons and all the episodes. 280 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: But we're so fortunately I think we are. 281 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, So at this point in the Rachel Zoe project, 282 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: it feels like Brad is like an what we call 283 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 2: an industry plant. It feels like you couldn't have two 284 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 2: blonde girls doing it. You needed something different, and you 285 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 2: were like, I got him because I needed an oil 286 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: and vinegar assistant. Situation to make this shoy juicy? Was there, 287 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: was he coming to work for you no matter what? 288 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: Or was this like a casting for the show. 289 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: It was both, So it was two things. There was 290 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: an assistant that I had that worked alongside Taylor pror 291 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: she decided to leave styling before she was getting married 292 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: and whatever, and I needed a second assistant. So part 293 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: of that was very real that I needed a second assistant. 294 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't think that would have been Brad had I 295 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: not been doing the show, you know, because yeah, I 296 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: mean he had had a little bit of experience, and 297 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: I believe that he actually I believe he actually studied acting. 298 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: So if I remember correct, Yeah, I don't know. 299 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: It seemed like, you know, to me watching the show now, 300 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: I was like, well, wait a second, this is Rachel 301 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: zo her clients are a ga ga ga gay. Any 302 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: stylist assistant in LA or New York or Chicago would 303 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: fly in a heartbeat to do this. Who knows about 304 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: a set bag. So for me, I was like, oh, 305 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: there's a TV executive being like, oh, you know what 306 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: would be great if you have to train one who's 307 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: really green and then you have the old body. But 308 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: then the power struggle of the book. I was like, 309 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: this is maybe a part of show biz. But lucky 310 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: break for him because he probably, like you said, like 311 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: he might have not got that job, and he's been 312 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: you know, I know, you guys have your shit, but 313 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: like he's been very vocal about you changing his life 314 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 2: and career. So you know, good for you, Like the 315 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 2: best casting of your life. 316 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: I would definitely say maybe the best casting would have 317 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 1: been Jeremiah later down the road. You know, we're not 318 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: there yet, We're at I'm sorry, I'm new to this 319 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: rewatch thing. It's like, this is your life, I know. 320 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: So episode four we are at New York Fashion Week, 321 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 2: and I found this absolutely fascinating. God because later in 322 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: my career, about a decade ago, I was on a 323 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 2: show called The Insider and I got to sign my 324 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: first fashion Week, and I was really expecting that it 325 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: would feel like the Rachel Zoe Fashion Week. And I 326 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: went to New York City and I was like, oh 327 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 2: my god, it's going to be celebrities and all these 328 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: great brands and I and I love Jersey Shore and 329 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: this is no shame on Snookie, but the assignment for 330 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 2: the week was like to go to the family fashion 331 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 2: show that Snooky was walking in. Like that's where we are. 332 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: We're at at like twenty fourteen fashion Week, and I 333 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: know New York Fashion Week has struggled. It's struggled past 334 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: post pandemic. I think a lot of these fashion brands 335 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: don't have money to do these big shows. But like 336 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: there's no Oscar de Laurenta, there's no a DVF, there's 337 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 2: no A list actresses flying in maybe a Kim Kardashian 338 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 2: sighting every five years, But like what happened to fashion Week? 339 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: Because your version and season one, episode four is the 340 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: most glamorous shit I've ever seen in my life. 341 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 1: Well so that's just so you know, that's how I 342 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: came up in fashion. And that was even late, like 343 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: I like it had already been maybe ten years of 344 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: the most glamorous. You know, there are moments where I 345 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: mean I was at Versailles watching a John Galliano show 346 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: with every supermodel imaginable, from Giselle to you know, Naomi 347 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 1: to this one to that one in Katore that you 348 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: would think is from you know, the Royal, you know, 349 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: from Bridgerton, like and so it's funny that you say that, 350 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: because as I was watching it, I was like, Wow, 351 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: I remember what fashion week was and what it is now, 352 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: which is not It's not in one place, it's not 353 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: you know. The way it used to be was during 354 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: fashion week, it was like, you know, at Bryant Park, 355 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: and so everyone was around Brian Park and that's where 356 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: all the designers were. So I would go to shows 357 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: and then I would run to appointments and then I'd 358 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: run shows that i'd go back and pull. Then I 359 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: would do a fitting, and everyone kind of hung out 360 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: around there, right, So there was a lot like buzzing around. 361 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: And then it moved to Lincoln Center, which was cool, 362 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: and then it just became after that like everywhere. And 363 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: I think what happened is there was no center of 364 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:51,280 Speaker 1: fashion week anymore. And once social media happened and content 365 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: creators happened, and fashion people started to sort of not 366 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: go anymore, and buying became something you could do online, 367 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: and watching the show became something you could do online. 368 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: And not only that, when you when a show is 369 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: airing and you can watch it from your bed, why 370 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: is any one person spending ten to fifteen grand to 371 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: fly to New York, you know, unless they want to 372 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: like be photographed, be seen. And that's great too, But 373 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: I think what's happening is fashion shows are no longer 374 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: filled with fashion people, I think for a million and 375 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: one reasons. I also think, unfortunately, very sadly, a lot 376 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 1: of the designers don't exist anymore in the world of fashion. 377 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, they exist in life, you know, and they've 378 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: gone on, but their brands didn't survive. And so I 379 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of that too. I mean, I 380 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: think at this point it's a real display of survival 381 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: in the fashion world. You know, as a designer, it's 382 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: really hard, it's really hard. 383 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. Like I think even when I went 384 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 2: and was covering it for a few years, there was 385 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: a Zach Posen show. Yeah, he doesn't do his you know, 386 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: it's just it's kind of wild and it's interesting what 387 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 2: you just said because you said, oh, well, when the 388 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 2: fashion influencers came to be and it was like, you know, oh, 389 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: you just want to be doing your street style and 390 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: your social media and stuff like that. It kind of 391 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: reminds what you said about at the beginning of the 392 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: episode when you came in with your TV crew and 393 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: none of the fashion people wanted you to be filmed. 394 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: There is this feeling like the fashion world whenever it 395 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 2: becomes like too accessible, they're like, no, no, no, no no, 396 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 2: this is the cool kids club and no one's allowed 397 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: to sit here. 398 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 1: Accept that doesn't But thank you exactly. That was my 399 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 1: point to detriment. 400 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 2: And so when did you, like at what point? I 401 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 2: mean this is an episode four, but like, at what 402 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: point you know You've gone on in your career to 403 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: create so many things, and I think switch gears from 404 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: being one hundred percent like a you know, I only 405 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: dressed a list. Everything on me is name brand, to 406 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: being like, Okay, I'm going to take what I know 407 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 2: about fashion and give it to everyone and to be 408 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: for all. But like you would have had to sell 409 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 2: your fashion soul in a way to be like, Okay, 410 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: I'm going to be in every brand, Like at what 411 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: point where you're like, okay, because I know that there's 412 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: probably some people that are in the fashion world that 413 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: are like, oh, Rachel Zoe and her subscription box scarf, 414 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: like you know, like you know, so when what's the 415 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: feeling like why did you do that? And how difficult 416 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: was that transition? 417 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: Because I think now to your point, I don't think 418 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: anyone is like that, because because I don't think they 419 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: can be. And I can't even tell you how many major, major, 420 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: major fashion designers have called me over the last like 421 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: probably two to four years and been like, how do 422 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: I get into X store? How do I start to 423 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: make things for everybody? How do I because in all fairness, 424 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: like ten years ago that was very looked down upon. 425 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: But I have to tell you the truth. I think 426 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: even ever since I launched my brand very when I 427 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,719 Speaker 1: started my very first book, when I wrote my very 428 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: first book in two thousand and seven, Style It Is Oh, 429 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: and then I launched The Zoo Report around the same time, 430 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 1: like a year later. It all was around trying to 431 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: be as accessible as possible to as many women as possible. 432 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: And I was never about being elite. It's a bit 433 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: ironic because my taste and my shopping and my habits 434 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: dictate otherwise. But that is almost like I would just say, 435 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: almost like an artist who only wants to collect like picassos, 436 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: but wants everyone to know about art, You know what 437 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: I mean? And that's a little bit how I feel like. 438 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: I think because of my passion for it, it became 439 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: my art, and I decided that I would rather spend 440 00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: more money and collect things of value that would increase 441 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: in value rather than just keep amassing all this stuff 442 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: that wasn't very expensive but I loved and I think 443 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: that people for me, My goal of the Rachel Zobrand 444 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: has always been how can I make people not scared 445 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: of fashion? How can fashion be the thing you don't 446 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: walk into your closet every day and like want to cry? 447 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: How can it be? How can women spend five more 448 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: minutes caring about themselves to put themselves out there in 449 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: the world a little bit better, and to be very 450 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: honest without getting too like sappy about it. It really 451 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: started to come even more so when I launched the 452 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 1: show and people said, I'm going through chemotherapy, I'm watching 453 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: your show and it's making me want to get dressed again. 454 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: It's making me one of this. But my husband's coming 455 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: out of the military and now I want to like, 456 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, get get up and get dressed and go 457 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: like be there for him and start working again. And 458 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: so it became so much bigger for me, and I 459 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,719 Speaker 1: don't know, it just was very exciting. You know, when 460 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: I did KVC for many years, it was that it 461 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: was that feedback from so many people that were like, 462 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: I love your faux for vest, I love your kaftan, 463 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: I love your on the size twenty four, and I'm 464 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: never felt prettier and I've never you know, it was 465 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: that for me that was beautiful, and I felt like 466 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: fashion was scary. And the thing you have to understand 467 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: about me is that I know you perceived me as 468 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: this like fashion person, right, but weirdly like I am, 469 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: but I'm not. I am because I love it so much. 470 00:26:54,119 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: But I was that starry eyed girl coming up these 471 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: scary fashion people. You know, I didn't care about actors. 472 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: I cared about Carlagerfeld and John Goleano and Mark Jacobson. 473 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: You know, for me, that was that was it, and 474 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: that was the intention truthfully behind the show, was to 475 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: like help people see that you know, well, I think you. 476 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 2: See that on the show Reach because you're like you're like, yeah, 477 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 2: Annie's coming over, okay, cool, Oh hey girl, And then 478 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 2: like you're in the lobby with Oscar de la Renta 479 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 2: and you're like, hello, Hello, I can't breathe, Like it's 480 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: it's actually wonderful because it's what you just said is 481 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 2: one hundred percent true and you can see that in you. 482 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:45,400 Speaker 2: I want to know about your lateness. So on this episode, 483 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: on episode four, you're late to a show and you 484 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,360 Speaker 2: get written up by page six or whatever. They're like, oh, 485 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 2: Rachel's over, Like when did you first listen, We've got 486 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: a lot of outfits to try on. I'm going to 487 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 2: give that to you. But my question like, when did 488 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 2: you first notice you started popping up in the tabloids 489 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 2: and how did you get used to that? Because it 490 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,640 Speaker 2: you popped up and it was it's kind of hot, right, 491 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: Like a stylist being famous is like this has not 492 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 2: happened before. This was before we had like the. 493 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: Nothing. 494 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: We didn't nobody knew the stylist name. We're just in 495 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: the background. So the fact that like stylist was the 496 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, in the headlines in page six and things 497 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: like that. It must have been like, oh, wow, I'm 498 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 2: really doing it. I'm that bitch, like yay. And then 499 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 2: at the same time you're like crying in a corner, 500 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 2: like how did you how did you med those two 501 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: things together? 502 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's it's exactly what you said, and 503 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I have and by the way, 504 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: continue to struggle with throughout my life. I wanted, you know, 505 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: it's so funny. People are like, oh, you're famous or famous. 506 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not famous. I'm not famous. Like and 507 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: then I remember in an interview they said you accidentally 508 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: became famous, and I said, yes, I accidentally became famous 509 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: because being a stylist is clearly and especially then, not now, 510 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: as you just mentioned. But then being a stylist was 511 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, I basically just said to Mary earlier, it's 512 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: like being a waiter for clothes. It's like I am 513 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: here to bring you the options, to tell you what 514 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: I think is best to recommend. But being famous was 515 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: never part of this journey. It was like, how do 516 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: I become the best stylist there could ever be? And 517 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't about winning a prize. It was like, how 518 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: do I keep working, how do I get my next job? 519 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: How do I not let this person down? And I 520 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: think my disease of people pleasing I think as a 521 00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: stylist had served me, probably to a fault, but I 522 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: think there was this no margin for error concept that 523 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: I governed myself with. And I think when I was 524 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: pulled into the spotlight, it was in an effort to 525 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:20,239 Speaker 1: understand the women that were getting paparazzi'd like crazy, and 526 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: why they look good going as Starbucks and why they 527 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: look good going on a date with their boyfriend or 528 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: whatever and not just on a red carpet. And I 529 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: think the way that I approached styling was like, no, no, no, 530 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: I don't look at this as clothes. This is not 531 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: like me getting you a nice dress. This is like 532 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: about creating a transformative experience where you are going to 533 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: become this person of confidence where you walk out the 534 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: door and you could be in jeans, flats and a 535 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: cute bag and Sunni's, but fuck, you're gonna look amazing, 536 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, And that was sort of the goal. It 537 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: was sort of like I'm dressing you for when you 538 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: go pee and when you are on the and you know, 539 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Nicole Richie used to joke with me all the time 540 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: because she would literally I would put all these like 541 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: outfits together for her to travel in. And one time 542 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: she like showed up, she was coming back from somewhere 543 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: and she had like the neck pillow on her neck 544 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: and like this really funny like the totally mismatch sweat, 545 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: and she was like, And I think that was just 546 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: how I looked at it holistically, and I think becoming 547 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: famous was terrifying, terrifying because it wasn't something I was seeking. 548 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: And I lived a very private life with Roger, like 549 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: that was sort of like my insanity was my job 550 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: and the fashion world. And then I would come home 551 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: and we would like order in food and watch like 552 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: Nodding Hill or something, and that was sort of my 553 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: safe space. So that was hard, and I cried Roger. 554 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: I cried a lot. I cried a lot. 555 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 2: It got it be also justice for Roger, because I 556 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 2: got to be honest. Roger did not need to come 557 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: to Fashion Week in episode four. He didn't need to 558 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: come to most of those things. He didn't and I 559 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: don't make him go now, by the way, because you 560 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: it was your security blanket. You needed your security. 561 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: Blanket with you. 562 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: But poor Roger is like, are we gonna have dinner? 563 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: And You're like, no, bitch, it's fashion week. I'm doing 564 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 2: fashion week and oh, by the way, you can't come 565 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: because there's no seat for you. 566 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: Huh. 567 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: How much of that was real and how much of 568 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,560 Speaker 2: it was like, well, for the show, we need Roger 569 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 2: there and he's just gonna be like pissed off. Although 570 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: he's so calm on the show, and I'm like, he's 571 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, he really knows how to handle you, 572 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: which I love. 573 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: Well, he's not as calm now, I think after children, 574 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: But I think in those days, I think, I think 575 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: you have to remember that and not time. We were 576 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: both able to just work and love each other. It 577 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: was any children, and I think had children been layered 578 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: into this insanity, I cannot imagine him calm because it 579 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: it's just all so much without kids, you know what 580 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean. And then I think, you know, as I said, 581 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: I think the exhaustion, and I think when I watch it, 582 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, there was definitely some of it where. Look, 583 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: I don't think I traveled without Roger until like a 584 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: few years ago, truthfully, and that's only because like Mary 585 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: would come with me or Casey on my team or 586 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: someone who I feel like safe with, and like who's 587 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: another safe person for me? But I didn't go anywhere 588 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: without him ever, not to events, not to shows, not 589 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: to I would never fly without him ever. And I 590 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,959 Speaker 1: think that, you know, I really, when I look at it, 591 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, God help him, Like how in God's name 592 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: you know? No wonder? He is such like PHSD from 593 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: my styling life, because when I jump back into it, 594 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: like two years ago to dress someone for the can 595 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: Film Festival, he was like a mess. He was like, 596 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: you can't do this. And I was like I'm good, 597 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm just tiptoeing. I'm not really doing it. 598 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: And then sure, shit, like four am, five nights in 599 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: a row, I was online, I was on the phone 600 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: with Paris. I was on the phone with Chanelle at 601 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: the can Film Festival, doing fittings on Zoom with my client. 602 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: He was like, it's like a fucking disease. You can't 603 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,720 Speaker 1: do it a little bit. 604 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 2: You know, And so you're never, like you'll never go 605 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 2: back to styling clients. 606 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: No, I don't think I can say never. I think 607 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 1: I can say that I would but one or two 608 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: at a time maximum, and it would have to be 609 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 1: a situation that was sane, because I think you can 610 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: watch the show and know that ninety nine zero point 611 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: five percent of what was happening was real. I think 612 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: there's a bit of the like, you know, Roger may 613 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: be there because they needed the sort of like the 614 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: letdown or whatever, but in fact, like he was for 615 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: sure sad because he would always rather be with me. 616 00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: But I think, I I think the insanity of it 617 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: was very real, and I don't think that's sustainable. Really. Yeah, 618 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: in hindsight, my biggest question for. 619 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 2: Like, for this episode and just your career in general, 620 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: is like I sat back and I was watching it, 621 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: and here you are. You're, like, you fly to fashion 622 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 2: week and it's your job. And at the time, I 623 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 2: don't believe you were getting paid to go to shows. 624 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 2: I mean maybe now, if someone wanted you as like 625 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,279 Speaker 2: an influencer, you might don't think I was thinking back then, 626 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think now probably you can 627 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,960 Speaker 2: get paid as an influencer to come to a thing 628 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 2: and wear the thing or whatever. But but at that time, 629 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: like you were, you know, you're putting up your team 630 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 2: you're flying across the country and then you're seeing all 631 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 2: the shows and you have a black car that's taking 632 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 2: you around. All of this costs money, insane. And then 633 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,240 Speaker 2: I'm looking at your like what you're doing for a living, 634 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: and I'm like, and then I see you being like, 635 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,799 Speaker 2: okay's I have two hours. I'm going to go shop 636 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 2: and you put ten things, and Roger's feeling at you, 637 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 2: and and there is a bit of me as a viewer, Rachel. 638 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: That's like, the math is not mathing here, like unless 639 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 2: you're gosh paid. The fashion math is not like unless 640 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: you're getting paid forty thousand dollars per look to get 641 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: someone dressed for a red carpet, which, if you are, 642 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 2: that's I don't know what Silas charge. I've only ever 643 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 2: been able to afford, you know, a low end stylist, 644 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: which can be maybe two or three thousand dollars for 645 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 2: a look, you know. But I'm assuming you were incredibly 646 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 2: well paid. But the math is not at that point 647 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 2: career so firm or denial. 648 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: Okay. 649 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,760 Speaker 2: So so it's a loaded question. 650 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna make sense of it for you, Okay, 651 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: So you have to remember some of that was paid 652 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 1: for by the show. Correct, right, so there's production expense, right, 653 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: that is. 654 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 2: Like stayed at this suite in the Thompson. 655 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, to be honest, at that time, probably would have. 656 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: But but well, well i'll tell you, I'll tell you, 657 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: But don't forget. I knew the owner of that hotel 658 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 1: is a very dear friend of mine. So I never 659 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: stayed in a hotel that didn't hook me up, whether 660 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: it was comped, whether it was heavily discounted, whether they 661 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: just wanted the pr because any hotel on the show 662 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: would get so much. I mean, anything that was on 663 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,800 Speaker 1: the show was like a sellout right at that time. 664 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: But so at that time, and I'm just being very 665 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: honest with you without sounding like a complete asshole, I 666 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 1: was making a fuck ton of money. I was making 667 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: a fuck ton of money in my career, truthfully, as 668 00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: a stylist from I'm going to say around two thousand, 669 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: like when I started with the Backstree Boys or just 670 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: before that. There was such insane amounts of money being 671 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,880 Speaker 1: thrown at stylist, such a good point, and it was 672 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: crazy money to a point where I actually quit once 673 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: because I felt so overpaid that I said I can't 674 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: believe that. It was right after nine to eleven, and 675 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: it was like social workers and doctors and teachers and psychiatrists, 676 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: they can't even pay their fucking rent. And I am 677 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: making unlimited amounts of money. And it was because the 678 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: music industry was making so much money, right, and the 679 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: studios were making so much money. So I would be 680 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: paid full rates to work for a month on a 681 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 1: certain job, or like music videos, the band two bandmates 682 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,319 Speaker 1: wouldn't show up, so they wouldn't so they'd pay me 683 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: my full amount, keep me in a presidential suite, and 684 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,399 Speaker 1: then rebook it and I'd get paid again. That's how 685 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: crazy it was. 686 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 2: So when you saw your I mean, this is this 687 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 2: is so interesting to me. So when you saw your 688 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 2: client going down the red carpet for whatever movie premiere, 689 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: it's not necessarily the client writing the check. 690 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: It's never studios, never once. 691 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 2: It's never once, never, never once. 692 00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: Clients don't pay. 693 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 2: Music business had so much money, so much so the 694 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 2: music in the day when they're doing four day multimillion. 695 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: Dollar music videos and movies, you're bringing a whole like 696 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: I would do Cameron for all her Shrek tours. Okay, 697 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120 Speaker 1: I would do Lindsay Lohan for all of her tours, 698 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: I would do. I mean I had, I was. I 699 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 1: mean I was working with Selma Hayek. I was working 700 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: with Kiaren Knightley during Pirates of the Caribbeane. So so 701 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,720 Speaker 1: I had so many clients doing major movies, major press tours. 702 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: But forget the press tours, right. So Jen Garner was 703 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: working with during Alias, during the height of her movie career, 704 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: but beyond that, she also was doing Neutrogina, she was 705 00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,240 Speaker 1: doing Banks, She was doing so the way that styling 706 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,120 Speaker 1: worked then, and I don't believe even close to the 707 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: same as put into that now because of the industry 708 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: in different funnels, you know, advertising, the jobs that required 709 00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: a T shirt white T shirt would pay the most, 710 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,280 Speaker 1: and the jobs that I love the most very often 711 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 1: I made five dollars on like a fashion shoot, like 712 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: a cover shoot, you know what I mean. So I 713 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: was consulting for Harper's Bizarre and shooting all their covers 714 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: and like my favorite things I've ever done in my career, 715 00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: to me more for Harper's on a standing next to 716 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: a giraffe on a staircase on a beach, like I 717 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: didn't get paid for that, but it was probably one 718 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 1: of my favorite shoots I've ever done. Cameron Diaz on 719 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: the top of the met Life building. You know, we 720 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: did this like seventies, very like Diane Keaton shoot, and 721 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,280 Speaker 1: she was It's iconic. But like, I didn't get paid 722 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: for the I mean one hundred dollars like nothing. I 723 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,279 Speaker 1: don't want to say nothing, but what I mean is 724 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,400 Speaker 1: that was not feeding my business. 725 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 2: Right not to mention so interesting because you're always like 726 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 2: I just always feel like, oh, well, like, yeah, I 727 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 2: get how multi movie successor person could afford a big stylist, 728 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 2: but like, how does girl the check is not even 729 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 2: cleared from her mutant from her music deal yet, Like 730 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 2: how was she in. 731 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: Product gonna get you studios, record labels, advertisers and then 732 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: separate of that. Don't forget I had two book deals, 733 00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: my media business, my show, and then multiple endorsement deals 734 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: that I was doing that were annual checks. 735 00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 2: So it Roger, get off her tail, let her go 736 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,520 Speaker 2: in the chel store. 737 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,200 Speaker 1: By the way, That's why he ultimately caved because this 738 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like, this was not a scenario of me being like, babe, 739 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: can I have like five thousand dollars for this vintage 740 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,440 Speaker 1: er mez code. It was like I didn't have kids 741 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,240 Speaker 1: and we had a dual income. 742 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 2: You're ADNK DNK dual income, no kids, we were going to. 743 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 1: Say barts for weeks at a time. We didn't. You know, 744 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,640 Speaker 1: It's like it was a different time in life, and 745 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 1: you know, I would never do that now. I would 746 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: just never do that now. I would never walk into 747 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,279 Speaker 1: a vintage door and drop twenty grand or whatever, Like 748 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: I just that's mental to me. But I have the archives, 749 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:03,720 Speaker 1: so that's great. 750 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's just so so interesting. Like I guess my 751 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 2: like sort of last question is you know, this is 752 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: season one, episode four of the show. You go on 753 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,919 Speaker 2: for multiple multiple more seasons, and you know a lot 754 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 2: of kind of big heartbreaks. I mean, at the beginning 755 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 2: the end of season one, going into season two, we 756 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,359 Speaker 2: see Taylor leaving. You know, there's the brad stuff like 757 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 2: would you have still done the show if you obviously 758 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 2: there's so many good things about it, but if you 759 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 2: knew it was gonna like the fame and the show 760 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 2: is going to like rip apart your life in the 761 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 2: way it did, especially during that era, would you have 762 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 2: done it? No? 763 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 1: No, no way, no way, because you know, I think 764 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: I've said this too from it. Maybe not, we haven't 765 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: talked in depth about it, but the intention of the show. 766 00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,919 Speaker 1: You're too young. But there there was this woman named 767 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 1: Elsa Clinch who did CNN Style and that was my 768 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,839 Speaker 1: only funnel to fashion when I was young, and every 769 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,040 Speaker 1: Saturday morning at ten thirty I would watch it. It was 770 00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: a thirty minute show of this incredibly chic woman with 771 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,799 Speaker 1: an English accent who went around and spoke to John 772 00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,480 Speaker 1: Galliano and car Lagerfeld and Donna Tellavarsace and literally sat 773 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: in their homes in front of a fireplace, would go 774 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: to their shows and then interview them. And that was 775 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 1: the show that I wanted to do because I said, 776 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: there needs to be an also Clinch, someone needs to 777 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,239 Speaker 1: show the brilliance of the designers. Was not about me. 778 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: I was keelty. I was like, let me interview you. 779 00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,319 Speaker 1: It wasn't like, it wasn't like make me famous. I 780 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: want to be famous. It was not that. And I 781 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: had been so battered by the media with false narratives 782 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: just before the show, and so when I went to 783 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,319 Speaker 1: Bravo and told them what I wanted to do, I said, 784 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 1: I need to do this show. I need to show 785 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: the talent. I need to blat and they were basically like, okay, 786 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: but it's going to be different because no one cares 787 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: about that, but you. I was like cool. And the 788 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 1: first day of shooting, we didn't have a name, and 789 00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,719 Speaker 1: on the top of the call sheet it said the 790 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: Rachel Zoe Project. And I tried to have the show 791 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 1: without my name in it. No one wanted that, and 792 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: so that became I said, this should be the title 793 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: because we don't know what this is going to be. 794 00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: And to be honest, Roger convinced me to do the 795 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 1: show because he said, there are so many people in 796 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,120 Speaker 1: the world creating false narrative about you. You have no 797 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 1: control over that because none of these people actually know you. 798 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 1: So this gives you a chance to show who you 799 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,359 Speaker 1: actually are. And then if they don't like you and 800 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: they judge you, then they can judge you because you're 801 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: showing who you are. Yeah, but what do you have 802 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 1: to lose? And that was literally my impetus for the 803 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: show was sort of like, what do I have to lose? 804 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: Because at least I can show who I am in 805 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: real life and then they can decide. And that was 806 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,399 Speaker 1: really it. That was the whole thing. 807 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 2: I mean, I love that. And then when you saw 808 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 2: or they had to let you know, I'm sure that 809 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 2: it was coming back to Peacock. 810 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,440 Speaker 1: And then people, no, I didn't know. I didn't know. 811 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 2: You had no idea. It just showed up one. 812 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 1: Day, all of a sudden, everything's blowing up. I'm binge 813 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: watching and I've heard it over the years because you 814 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,439 Speaker 1: can still find it in certain places, but I guess 815 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 1: it's like on the homepage or something of Peacock. 816 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,800 Speaker 2: Now it's right there. 817 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,240 Speaker 1: So everybody was posting, and I was like, what is happening? 818 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: And one of my really good friends, a more recent 819 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 1: friend because she's my son's best friend's mom, was like, 820 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm having a fucking viewing party. I'm like, for what. 821 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,319 Speaker 1: She's like, it's back and we need to rewatch it all. 822 00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, hell now, because 823 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: I've managed to keep it from my kids. You know, 824 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: Sky's thirteen, and they know about it, but they don't know. 825 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: They don't really know, and their friends have binge watched it, 826 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520 Speaker 1: and you know. At one point, Sarah Foster was like, Valentina, 827 00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: only think I'm cool because you're one of my best 828 00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,840 Speaker 1: friends and this was like two years ago, and I 829 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,399 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, I can't let my kids 830 00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,399 Speaker 1: watch this'll it's too wild, it's too like so it's 831 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,960 Speaker 1: like so real. I don't know how to explain it. 832 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: It's surreal. 833 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 2: Did you have like pts like do you have like 834 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,400 Speaker 2: a like an ad don't want people to see it? 835 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 2: Like I want it to be dead? Or you kind 836 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,320 Speaker 2: of excited about this because there's a whole new generation 837 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 2: of fashion girls that are going to discover you, and 838 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 2: even just entertainment people like I don't know, it's kind 839 00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 2: of it's kind of cool, I think, I mean, but 840 00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,879 Speaker 2: I would be not sleeping if I were you. 841 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,600 Speaker 1: Well, it's you know, the thing I've been saying, I 842 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: think as I've watched a few episodes is like part 843 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 1: of it is tiery, part of it is like being 844 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: a drone on my life. There's a lot of discovery 845 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: for me. Now I know why I looked like that, 846 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: why I looked like I should fall forward and fall 847 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: asleep for like five years. But I will say that 848 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,040 Speaker 1: even over the last several years, the show in a 849 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,000 Speaker 1: lot of ways has never gone because there is hardly 850 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,000 Speaker 1: a day when I'm out in the world where people 851 00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,600 Speaker 1: aren't like I'm still watching it or because of you, 852 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: I did this, or because of your show, or because 853 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 1: of this, and all the stylists of the world like 854 00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: Carla and Robin Muriel or like Law and any of 855 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: these stylists that they've all been so gracious about it. 856 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,319 Speaker 1: And as I watch it now, I'm sort of like 857 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: the impact if it has impacted is many people in 858 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: this way and has been transformative in such a big 859 00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: way for young people that were living all over the 860 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,359 Speaker 1: world in the country that didn't ever think they could 861 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 1: live that life and are that makes me cry like 862 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,920 Speaker 1: happy cry. That makes me like when I go and 863 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,640 Speaker 1: speak or go on tour, like not on tour, like 864 00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: go in you know, do an appearance somewhere and you know, 865 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: people are like, You've changed my life because of you. 866 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: I do this because of you. I do that. That 867 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: is the job, right, And so I think in interviews 868 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: they're like, what is what do you hope in your 869 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: life and your career? And I'm like that I could 870 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: have had an impact of positive impact on as many 871 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 1: people as possible, because why are we here? Right, So 872 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: the fact that the show meant so much and now 873 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:39,800 Speaker 1: will continue to mean so much. That's it for me, truthfully, 874 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,680 Speaker 1: that's that's it. Like that makes me happy. So for 875 00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:50,959 Speaker 1: whatever my feelings are good, bad, or painful or PTSD 876 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: or whatever, overall, I mean, it's probably the greatest thing 877 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: I've done because of what it's meant, you know. 878 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 2: To people. Well, I would just finish by saying, like, 879 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,279 Speaker 2: the thing that I am taking away from my rewatching 880 00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 2: of it is just how hard you work. Like I 881 00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 2: think it's very inspiring to you know. Listen, we live 882 00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 2: in this world of like, oh, the NEPO babies and 883 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,680 Speaker 2: the Gga Guga and black hours and working right and 884 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: like all that stuff, and like I came up with 885 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 2: the like, hustle, hustle, hustle harder than anyone else to 886 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,560 Speaker 2: get what you want. And you know, at your own 887 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 2: demise obviously, and you've spoken about it on this podcast, 888 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:33,920 Speaker 2: but you talk about it in the show and you 889 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,960 Speaker 2: see it later as the season's progress, like you know, 890 00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 2: what what is it to work your ass off? And 891 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 2: what what does that really look like? It's midnight on 892 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,759 Speaker 2: a Sunday and you're still working like I. 893 00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: Am on a Monday And a trailer for Jennifer Garner 894 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:54,040 Speaker 1: because her her dinner break was two am because they 895 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: were doing night shoots. 896 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 2: Right, It's like that amount of hard work is like 897 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like that's in the front of the 898 00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,440 Speaker 2: zeitgeist anymore. And so I think that's why people will 899 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,880 Speaker 2: fall in love with you. And you're so amazing and 900 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 2: you're so wonderful. Right back to you, my friend, this 901 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 2: was such a dream. I'm so excited. I'm gonna go 902 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 2: upstairs and watch like the whole rest of seasons. I'm 903 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,720 Speaker 2: a three and a half so and then I'm downloading. 904 00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go on a plane on Friday and I'm 905 00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,760 Speaker 2: gonna download Kelty. 906 00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,200 Speaker 1: You're the best. I'm so happy I met you. We 907 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: share a mutual bestie, our friend Marcella. Shout out to 908 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:35,840 Speaker 1: Marcella Queen also an insanely hard worker. But also I 909 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,800 Speaker 1: can I embarrass you just as you leave. You're fucking 910 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: like crushing life and you have worked your fucking ass 911 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: off to geut where you are. And I've watched you 912 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 1: know the last since I've known you, I've watched so 913 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,160 Speaker 1: much with your podcast, it's like the number one top whatever, 914 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 1: Lady Kang, Kelty. I mean, that's how I started even 915 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: knowing about podcasts with you, so you know, you're a fucking. 916 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 2: Lot of people's We were a lot of people's first podcasts. 917 00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,520 Speaker 2: And if you loved this episode, I would love to 918 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,120 Speaker 2: just tell everyone that we are a Lady Gang is 919 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 2: going on tour all fall. So the dates are at 920 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,280 Speaker 2: Ladygang dot com slash tour, but Rachel won't be Rachel 921 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:16,759 Speaker 2: won't be. 922 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:18,480 Speaker 1: There now, but I'm gonna cheer from here. 923 00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 2: I'm probably gonna wear Tiara, which is also not like 924 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 2: I love tiaras, but anyway, I thank you for that, 925 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,680 Speaker 2: and like, let's go hustle girls, and this was amazing 926 00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,640 Speaker 2: And if you need someone for like season four five. 927 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm Kelty. I'll be caught up, babe. Anytime you're bored 928 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: and want to come back and do this with me, 929 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:39,960 Speaker 1: you are welcome and the door is always fucking open. 930 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 1: If you want more Climbing in Haels content, follow me 931 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: on at Rachel Zoe and at Climbing in Hales pod 932 00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram for more updates on upcoming guests, episodes, and 933 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: of course all things cure a tour