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Speaker 2: Okay, I'll start when I was like, really really young.

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Speaker 1: So where'd you grow up? Because I always forget. I

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that there's something to that, the fact

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Speaker 1: And you blamed it on ghosts, But why was the

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Speaker 2: I was like, why is this happening? And like it

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Speaker 1: Yes, well tell people that because people listening aren't theater people.

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Speaker 1: They don't they may not know these superstitions of theater.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's a superstition, is that if you say

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Speaker 1: And you know we're not in a theater right now.

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Speaker 1: This is a theater. Now, this is this is a

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Speaker 1: No, now, I'm like a total theater nerd over here

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Speaker 1: Okay. I was just looking it up and the first

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Speaker 1: So this is kind of ironic. It's from Toyota of

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Speaker 1: I lo about people are always complaining about fake news

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna hold my breath through the entire thing.

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Speaker 2: Sorry to disappoint mom. So she picked this town called Avon,

435
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: New York. Yes, it's spelled the same way as Avon,

436
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: as in the Avon Lady or Stratford upon Avon, where

437
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: Shakespeare wrote love sonnets. But no here and upstate New

438
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 2: York they call it Avon as I was corrected, you know,

439
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: every day for the first week that I lived there.

440
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: But I had never lived in a small town. I'd

441
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 2: never lived anywhere that wasn't like a big city or

442
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 2: hung out with kids that had known each other their

443
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: whole lives. So I was this new kid in this town,

444
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: and my mom wanted us to have a place that

445
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: was near the school because she was like, you're going

446
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 2: to walk to school, And I was like what. I

447
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: was like a kid who'd been driven to private school

448
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, right, So I was like this like

449
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: some kind of weirdo like to all of these children.

450
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: But she picked this house and it was this furnished house,

451
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: and the owner of the house was like, yeah, I

452
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 2: just need a break from living here for a while,

453
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: and my mom was like, cool, cool, cool, it's really

454
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: close to the school and it's furnished, so I don't

455
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: have to like move all my furniture from San Francisco,

456
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: you know whatever. So like that's great, you know, we

457
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: can live in this furnished house. So we got to

458
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: the house, and first of all, want it has, we

459
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: have to talk about like what it looks like. So again,

460
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 2: I'm a kid. I've lived in the Sunset my whole life,

461
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: which is all kind of like stucco early twentieth century

462
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: California houses with bay windows. This was my first time

463
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: kind of seeing like a I guess what you'd call

464
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: like the American version of Victorian. I think that's colonial.

465
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. I don't know about architecture. But

466
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 2: it was like it had like you know, the little

467
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: like gingerbread little like white things around the edges of

468
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 2: the house, and it had like side paneling, and it

469
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 2: was I'll never forget the color because it was mauve,

470
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: which is like that like dusty kind of like when

471
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: where purple goes to die, you know.

472
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: What I'm talking about.

473
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was like this mauve house and it

474
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: was it was weird because it was it was on

475
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: the main street, but it was set back from the

476
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: main street. Like at least twenty feet away from where

477
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: all the other houses were compared to the street, and

478
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: had all these trees in front of it, so it's

479
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: kind of like hidden. So it's already like just creepy

480
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: from the outside.

481
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: How old would you guess?

482
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: Like, I would guess it was built. It had to

483
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: have been built before like the twenties, I would guess.

484
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed pretty old, right, Like it seemed

485
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 2: like one of the oldest houses in the area. And

486
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 2: then we walked inside this house and it was all

487
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: really old antiques, like really old antiques. And then so

488
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: we come to find out that this guy whose house

489
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: it is that we're living in is like an antique collector,

490
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: and you know that's cool. I was like, you know, hey,

491
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 2: I collect rocks, like totally get it. And so like

492
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: there were these like glass cases full of little antiques,

493
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: and what I will say was really cool is he

494
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: also had like the little A lot of them were

495
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: like things you would buy, like I guess from like

496
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: a Sears cat or something, but like the old timey version,

497
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: and he would actually cut out the little advertisement that

498
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 2: went with the thing, and so it'd have the little advertisement.

499
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute, very cute.

500
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: But then I started like, you know, so then we

501
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: like we like okay, right, cool cool, and we like

502
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: unpack and then like over the next like few like

503
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: months and whatever, as we were living there, I start

504
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: like reading like what these things are, and they're all

505
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: like creepy medicines and veterinary surgical tools from Sears the

506
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 2: turn of the century, like nineteen hundred, and I'll never forget.

507
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: There was this. It was it looked like almost like

508
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: like brass knuckles, but then out of it came these

509
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 2: two curved like big metal prongs with very sharp ends,

510
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 2: and the little like things said like this is to

511
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: perform surgery on horses so that you could like cut

512
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 2: the horse open. Oh god, so effing creepy. And I'll

513
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: keep in mind, wee. So the owner, I'll said like, hey,

514
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: like you know, my room is like way back in

515
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 2: the back of this upstairs hallway, like no need to

516
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: go back there, like you guys can stay in these

517
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: front two rooms whatever. He was also like unclear, like

518
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: he was like I don't know if I'll be back

519
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: in six months or a year, like I'll let you

520
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: guys know, which is also kind of weird. Right, like,

521
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 2: and it's weird that my mom just like was like, great,

522
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: we'll live here. Yeah, this is all seems kind of weird.

523
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: So I in theory had my own room, but I

524
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: think I only slept in it the first night because

525
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: the first night, so I've been like looking around this

526
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: creepy house and I like, I'm starting to see, like

527
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: what all these things are. The noises at night were

528
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: the scariest things. I would hear thumping, rattling, and I

529
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: it really sounded like it was coming from down the

530
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: hallway down by where he said like you can't go, like,

531
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: don't go here, oh god. And I was like what

532
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: is this? Like this is very creepy. And my mom

533
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well, if you're scared, you know, you're eleven,

534
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 2: you've just moved to a new city. You don't know anyone, Like,

535
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 2: you can totally just sleep next to me. It's going

536
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: to be okay. I was like, okay, okay, okay, because

537
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: I was too scared. And I was like and she

538
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: was like, don't worry. Something happening. So like night after night,

539
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: I was like too scared to even like do anything

540
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 2: in this house. I was very scared. And then we like,

541
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: it kept on going for like a few weeks, and

542
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 2: then one day and this is again with the toilets.

543
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: We started to hear this the toilet flushing down the

544
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: hall that was attached to this room that we weren't

545
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: supposed to go in. What is like we haven't been

546
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: over there, like what is happening? So we had to

547
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: call like the plumber, and the plumber came. He was like,

548
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: all right, I'll take us back there, and like so

549
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: my mom took him back there, and I finally had

550
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 2: like the courage to like actually follow my mom and

551
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 2: the plumber who was like this big guy, and I

552
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: was like, well, he can fight off anything that's in there.

553
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: And we go into this bedroom and I hadn't been

554
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 2: in there yet, and I kid you not, there was

555
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 2: an old mannequin with an old wedding dress on it.

556
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: It was absolutely terrifying to like walk into this bedroom

557
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: where you've been hearing noises and it's like you basically

558
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: see a headless woman just like standing there.

559
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: Old lace is terrifying.

560
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: It's so creepy. So it's like we're in Mishavisham's room

561
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: for foxing. And then the guy's like, oh, yeah, whatever,

562
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: and I don't know he did, but something that was

563
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: supposed to fix it in exorcism. Sure, but then like

564
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: he left and then like it wouldn't make as many noises,

565
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: but it was still making some noises. So finally my

566
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: mom was like, this is like what's going on? Like

567
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm a busy scientist, lady, I don't have

568
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: time for this. So she calls the owner of this

569
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: building or this this place that we're staying and she

570
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: was like, hey, we've been like experiencing these like weird

571
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: noises and stuff. And he's like, oh yeah yeah, and

572
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: she's like so like what is that And he was like, well,

573
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: it seems like you've met her. And we were like,

574
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: excuse me, met her? And I'm like sitting there like

575
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: as she's talking on the phone, like what does this mean?

576
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 2: And my mom is also like very foreign, so she's

577
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: like very confused what this entire thing is. She's like

578
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: met her and I'm like what. And then he's like, well,

579
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: there's a ghost who lives in this house. And we

580
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: were both like oh, oh, now you tell us, Yeah,

581
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: now you tell us, and he goes, but don't worry,

582
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 2: it's a friendly ghost, and I was like, okay, well

583
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: that's nice. And then he says, and this is where

584
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: like I swear to you, like I turned white as

585
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: a sheet, and he goes, yeah, but things have changed

586
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: in the house because the reason I left. I'm sorry

587
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: I didn't tell you guys, is because my wife died

588
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: six months.

589
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: Ago in the house.

590
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: That part he didn't tell us, because here's the thing.

591
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 2: In some ways, it felt like there were two energies

592
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: in the house, Like there was that energy that was

593
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: from the back, back room where he said don't go,

594
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 2: and then there was like a different energy that kind

595
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: of permeated the entire house. So it felt to me

596
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: like the wife was the one stuck in the room

597
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 2: in the back with the wedding dress, and almost like

598
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: she was trapped there by the other ghost who had

599
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: been in the place. So I think it felt like

600
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: my mom and I were like caught up in this

601
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: feud between these two ghosts battling for this one old

602
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: ass house in upstate New York. Oh and drama like yeah,

603
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: and come on, two women fighting over a lot of

604
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 2: old lace and some weird veterinary tools. Very fing creepy,

605
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: but weirdly. After that point, I kind of then started

606
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 2: to like be more okay with it all happening. Really,

607
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: I started like like being like, okay, so there's it

608
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: didn't seem like any of this had to do with me,

609
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: which was great. I was like, I'm an adorable eleven

610
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: year old, like I have like a mop of hair

611
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 2: on my head and like giant brown eyes. I look

612
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: like a cute doll, Like who would want to kill me?

613
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: And now that I knew that, like it was just

614
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: between two ghosts, it was much easier. And actually after

615
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: that point, I started sleeping again in my own bed

616
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 2: and I would still hear the noises, but I guess

617
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: in my head, I was like, wow, those two ghosts

618
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,720
Speaker 2: just fighting over this old house.

619
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

620
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I think we lasted there. I guess

621
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: it wasn't a full year. We only lasted there for

622
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: like six months because he was finally like all right,

623
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to come back to this house,

624
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: and so we were like okay, peace, and then I

625
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 2: found somewhere else to live. But like, yeah, I was,

626
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: I think I'm pretty sure I like basically stumbled into

627
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 2: a cat fight between two ghosts for six months of

628
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: my life dynasty. It was very that and I'm pretty

629
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: sure so one of them was obviously like, you know,

630
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 2: an early nineties housewife like and had that like vibe

631
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: about her, like in my mind, like she was in

632
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: those because you know, like in the early nineties, like

633
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: Victorian clothes were kind of like back in in a

634
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: weird way. Okay, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,

635
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 2: like moms would wear these kinds of like Victorian nightgowns

636
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: even though it was like nineteen ninety three, like you know,

637
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: and so I was living in this house, this was

638
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 2: nineteen tinety six. So it's like she had that kind

639
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: of energy. But the other ghost had like a much

640
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: older energy. So it was very interesting to like be

641
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: between two ghosts. I like thought of a nineties mom ghost,

642
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: that she was a very much nineties mom ghost, Like

643
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 2: does she make you pizza rolls? Like I think she.

644
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: I wonder if she wanted to, like I wanted to.

645
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: Part of I wonder part of what she was making

646
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: noises because she was lonely, like she was trapped in

647
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: that back room. Oh that's sad, and so like I

648
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 2: think part of it is like I think she like

649
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: wanted some friends and like my mom's obviously not very friendly,

650
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: but I'm super friendly. So I was like, maybe she

651
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: just wanted to be my friend. And so I felt

652
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: kind of bad that, like I didn't go hang out

653
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: in that creepy room more with a creepy old wedding

654
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: dress and the creepy mannequin.

655
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: No, but do you think that that was her wedding

656
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: like the wife's wedding dress or no, no, no, no, no.

657
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: Owner. The owner was like a collector of jacks. So

658
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: he was just bringing all these antiques into this space

659
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: that was already old and then he was like filling

660
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 2: it with antiques. So he just was a collector of antiques.

661
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure that that room was like her

662
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: room because it was like a lot more like uh

663
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: like had the like china dolls, like more like feminine

664
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: kinds of things in that room versus like not like

665
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: all the veterinary tools and like weird medicine bottles that

666
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: he had and like the rest of the house. So

667
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: like that felt like that was like her antique room,

668
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: and like they loved antiquing together. Ah, I know, kind

669
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: of romantic and sad, but like yeah, and then and

670
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: then there was that older ghost energy that kind of

671
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: like permeated the entire house. So, uh, I hope they

672
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 2: figured it out that the two ladies. I hope they

673
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: hope they became friends, Like that would be a hope

674
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 2: of mine. Oh yeah, you know, like as if your

675
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: two ghosts hanging out and like av on New York,

676
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: what else is there to do?

677
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: They can get into some ghost things together. This sounds

678
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: like a sitcom.

679
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 2: Totally, like two ghosts and like the old guy who

680
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: has all the antiques. Yeah, it's like it's like some

681
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 2: it's like a different.

682
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: Key little kid key little kid actor, a cute little

683
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: kid actor. You're like, Hi, well, so with your mom

684
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: being very science minded, how did how did she handle that?

685
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: Did she ever tell you like, oh, I think it

686
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: actually is a ghost?

687
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Surprisingly, she was kind of like there about it too.

688
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: She was like, yeah, it does seem kind of weird,

689
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 2: doesn't it. And like, leading up to this, I texted

690
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: her and I was like, Mom, remember when we lived

691
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: in that haunted house? And she, I'm not gonna lie.

692
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: She she's kind of slow sometimes respond to text because

693
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: English like isn't her first language, and so she'd rather

694
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: me call her on the phone. But she texted back

695
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: immediately and she was like, wait, who wants to know

696
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: call me, let's talk about this right now. And what

697
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: she have to say, Well, she was just like, well,

698
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it was haunted, and I'm pretty sure

699
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 2: that that guy only let us stay there because no

700
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: one else would because everyone else in the town knew

701
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 2: the house was haunted.

702
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: Well, it's kind of shady. He didn't say anything.

703
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 2: I mean, what do you say, like, hey, come, let's

704
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: stay at my haunted house?

705
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: Kind of I mean, I don't know, I guess not.

706
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: It was ninety six, so like it's not like you

707
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 2: could even like do like a video, send a video

708
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: of the house. You'd have to just be like sight unseen,

709
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 2: here's the house.

710
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So your mom is Persian?

711
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: Right she is? She is?

712
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: Now do you know about Persian uh, paranormal folklore, spooky folklore?

713
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think about like Persian culture and history is

714
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 2: that it's like sold like you know, yeah, tons of

715
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 2: mythology and tons of mythology. A lot of different kinds

716
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: of beliefs have come through that part of the world,

717
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: you know, And so what's interesting about Iran even though

718
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: today it's you know, like a an Islamic country, you know,

719
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: government by the government's design. Like there's a lot of

720
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: like really old traditions and a lot of them they're

721
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 2: less like ghosts specific, but more like very superstitious. Like

722
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: if you like around the Persian New Year, like if

723
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: you you have to like do all of the right

724
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 2: things and like put up this table that will bring

725
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 2: you all of like the good energy and like doing

726
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: things like putting like a candle in front of a mirror,

727
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 2: and like all of these like very old traditions that

728
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: predate Islam. And like what's funny is like they just

729
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: kind of continue in Iran even though they have nothing

730
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 2: to do with Islam, but like they're definitely much part

731
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 2: of the culture. What's weird is for me is like

732
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: my mom the way she always approached all of it

733
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 2: with me, including this ghost, including her relationship with religion

734
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: herself is always like here is like some potential theories

735
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: of like what is happening in this world, But like

736
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 2: I want you, as like my smart child to like

737
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: read up of everything and make decisions for yourself.

738
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: Oh that is the best.

739
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: It's it's weird because like yes, A but b her

740
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 2: most important thing was like no matter what you believe,

741
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: make sure you get a nice, respectable job and marry

742
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: a nice woman and give.

743
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: Me Oh my god, that's hilarious.

744
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: So like but like I don't ghosts were never like

745
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: anything part of like our family. Like we would talk

746
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 2: about like a little bit about spirituality, a little about

747
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 2: like old traditions and superstitions and like you know, things

748
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 2: like jumping over the fire to like burn away bad energy.

749
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: Like those were things like we would do. Yeah, And

750
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: like it's actually a big tradition in southern California. If

751
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 2: you go, it's called char Chambasouri and it's I believe

752
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: it's like it's before the actual Persian New Year. But

753
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,600
Speaker 2: it's like you go and all all around Orange County

754
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: on the fire pits, you all the Persians will come

755
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: and set up little fire and then everyone's just jumping

756
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: over the fire and supposed to burn away all your

757
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 2: bad energy for the year. If I'm in California next

758
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: time when it's that time of year in the spring,

759
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: I'm taking you.

760
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: Please, Oh my god, I need that. A lot of

761
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: different beliefs in the Middle East believe in Gin. Do

762
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: you know about Gin? Oh yeah, genies, Yeah, genies it's

763
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: actually the singular form of genie is gin, and those

764
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: are sort of you know, what do you know about

765
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 1: about the beliefs of a genie.

766
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 2: Well, one of the funny things about genies is like,

767
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 2: even to like Iranians, genies are kind of considered kind

768
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 2: of a foreign thing. My mom would always tell this

769
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: to me because in the story of the Arabian Nights

770
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: or the thousand and one Nights from Shaharazad, who's she's

771
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: actually most people believe share Sharazad who told the thousand

772
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: and one Night story, which is also a creepy story.

773
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 2: You know where all those stories come from. The story

774
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 2: is that she had to tell a story every night

775
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 2: so she wouldn't get killed, which is spooky in itself.

776
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: But Aladdin is one of the stories which is one

777
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: of the most famous stories to feature a genie or

778
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: a gin, and in the original telling of the story,

779
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: in most original versions or old the oldest versions we

780
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: can find of the story of Aladdin, the story is

781
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: actually told about Aladdin as if he is from East Asia,

782
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: usually Chinese. So to Persians, the story of Aladdin and

783
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: the Gin is about something that's happening far away, like

784
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: not anywhere in the Middle East, like happening somewhere in

785
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: East Asia, probably Chinese. So like my mom was always like,

786
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 2: like when the movie Aladdin came out, she was like,

787
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: what are you trying? This story is about Chinese people.

788
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: But even though it's like not a Chinese story, it's

789
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: just a story that people in the Middle East made

790
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 2: up about this part of the world that they like

791
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: kind of knew but kind of didn't, which I think

792
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: is really interesting. Like ahh like that, you know, because

793
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 2: we think of genies and like the Arabian nights like

794
00:44:58,320 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: very exotic and like so tod.

795
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: Theay, Yeah, wow, I didn't even know that well, because

796
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: I've talked to I've talked to a couple of friends

797
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: that knew about Gin or told me about Gin, and

798
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: it's it seems like it's something that is neither good

799
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 1: nor bad, and it can they can be kind of

800
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: like shape shifters, and it's it's it also seems to

801
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: me like the kind of thing that's like old folklore,

802
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: but also a lot of people truly believe that they've

803
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: encountered these these creatures like in modern times, right.

804
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: And usually I believe it's usually that the Gin is

805
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: uh is a gin as some kind of a punishment?

806
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: Oh okay, like in many like versions of the story.

807
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: So I did a lot of not a lot, but

808
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: I did a good amount of research on some of

809
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 2: the genie folklore when I was working on some of

810
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: my uh, some of my shows which where I play

811
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: a genie. I dream Jackie, you mean, I dream of

812
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Jackie the long running Cabaret Spectacular, And like, I read

813
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: a lot that like a lot of them are you know,

814
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: become tricksters because they were tricked into becoming gins. So

815
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: it can be kind of a trickster character in some stories.

816
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: Oh okay, But you know, I think what's interesting is

817
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 2: it's definitely the mythology that has latched on the most

818
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: and I would say the Western imagination, right, this idea

819
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: of genies and three Wishes and Aladdin and all of that,

820
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: I think are all like probably the most famous Middle

821
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: Eastern mythological creature that exists for us here in the West.

822
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I found a BuzzFeed article that is called sixteen

823
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: Gin stories that will freak you out? Can I read

824
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: you a short gin story?

825
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

826
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Okay, this person wrote this is an old Persian story.

827
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: One day a lady goes to the public bathhouse, pays

828
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: the attendant, and goes inside. Once inside, she notices someone

829
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: in the room with her. She looks down at their feet,

830
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: but instead of feet, the person has hooves. The lady

831
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: freaks out and runs outside as fast as she can.

832
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: She rushes to the attendant and tells her that she

833
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: saw someone with hoofs instead of feet. The attendant looks

834
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: at her, lifts up her skirt and asks like, these, now,

835
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: that's why you have to wear flip flops when you

836
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: go to public baths or showers.

837
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, like the like the moral of

838
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: the story is like, don't let drag queens show you

839
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: what their feet look exactly. That's what they look like.

840
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: I know, That's what I was thinking. I was reading that.

841
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I can imagine somebody accidentally stumbling into

842
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: a drag queen dressing room and being like, I saw

843
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: a woman, but she had silicone prosthetic boobies that she

844
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: was gluing to her chest. And then it turns like these.

845
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: You have to admit, most drag queens have hideous feet

846
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 2: because we're always trying to squeeze our feet into shoes

847
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: that are too damn.

848
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: Way too small, I know. And that's been Honestly, that's

849
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: been one great thing about the past few months is

850
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: that my feet are almost the shape of a human's foot.

851
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: Again, Well, you're still a little bit gin then, aren't you.

852
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP. H ev plicse Have you ever

853
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: heard of an EVP?

854
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: No?

855
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, it's electronic voice phenomenon. It's when ghost hunters capture

856
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: the sound of a ghost speaking, which you know what

857
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 1: I was also thinking according to Wikipedia, And I feel

858
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: like you've told me this before. Didn't you go to UCLA?

859
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I did, okay, Ucla. I'm because I'm very fascinated about

860
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: like paranormal research of like the sixties, fifties, seventies, like

861
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 1: kind of mid century. In the sixties and seventies, UCLA

862
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Speaker 1: had like a famous I guess I think it was

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Speaker 1: I think the proverton was that it was a lab,

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Speaker 1: like a paranormal lab, and they were studying a lot

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Speaker 1: of like ESP and ghost phenomena. And it was actually

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Speaker 1: started by this woman, Thelma doctor Thelma Moss, who how

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Speaker 1: Hollywood is this? She was an actress that became a

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Speaker 1: paranormal researcher and she became a psychiatrist psychologist. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: it's parapsychology and that all happened at UCLA.

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Speaker 2: This sounds like such a like a Netflix series waiting

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Speaker 2: to happen. Oh, I know, like Thelma the Hollywood actress

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Speaker 2: turned paranormal psychologist Ryan Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Where are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very available, Yes, Jackie Cox's doctor, Thelma Maws. I

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Speaker 2: love that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So these are EVPs. I go to YouTube, I

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Speaker 1: find EVPs, and then I have my guests guess what

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Speaker 1: either they think the ghost is saying or what the

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Speaker 1: ghost hunter thinks it's saying, and I'll give you some options.

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Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So this These are both from on YouTube. Their name

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Speaker 1: is ct Spirit Investigators and Researchers ghost Hunters. It's a

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Speaker 1: long name, but that's what it is. And it doesn't

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Speaker 1: tell me exactly where these are. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: compilation video and it's in and around New England. What

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00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: does this first one say? Now, it's like a deep

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00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: voice saying something and then a creepy giggle afterwards. I'll

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00:50:52,360 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: play it again or anything.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like someone's saying, come here, come here. That's

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Speaker 2: what it sounds like.

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Speaker 1: To me, I'll play it again. Well, I'll give you

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Speaker 1: a couple options. Is it A it's crowded, B gotcha

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Speaker 1: see Gretchen? Or D you're grouchy. I'll play it again.

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess now I hear Gretchen.

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Speaker 1: It is Gretchen. Now I don't know who Gretchen is,

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Speaker 1: but she's somebody with a deep voice is saying Gretchen.

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Speaker 1: I can kind of hear it. Let's play it again.

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Speaker 2: I can see it. I can see it. Gretchen, Gretchen.

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Speaker 2: What did she do?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's another one. This is from the

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Speaker 1: same compilation. What is this one saying?

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00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 2: Okay?

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00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: Now, this is a little bit more of a whisper

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Speaker 1: and it has got some background noise. But hero will

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00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 1: play it again. It's like a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost I feel like is it like right right?

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00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 2: It sounds like right right.

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00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here one more time, right right?

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00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? I hear that, yeah, like like right right now.

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Speaker 1: That's not what they thought though. Here's some options. Is

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Speaker 1: it A one light B bug bite, see what night?

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Speaker 1: Or D where's Mike? All right, I'll play it again.

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Speaker 2: Is it where's Mike?

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00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: Where's Mike?

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00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 2: Let me see.

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00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: They believe it's one light one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that is all about, but it's

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Speaker 2: the next duleep single.

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00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: All it takes me. But I will say I think

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00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: it could be bug bite. And here's a very specific scenario. Now,

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00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: long before I stumbled into drag, I tried all avenues

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Speaker 1: of the entertainment business to one slightly stuck, and there

923
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: was a time where I was like, why not ventriloquism.

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00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: You know I could try it. And the thing with

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00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: ventriloquism is you can't say bees without moving your mouth.

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Speaker 1: So if you were to say bug bite as a ventriloquist,

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Speaker 1: oh gay, it would sound I think exactly like this. Okay,

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00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: see everyone at home is trying it right now.

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Speaker 2: How do those master ventiloquists do those plosive sounds?

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00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: It certainly is a skill. And if there's one thing

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00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: we need, it's more ventriloquism this world. Yeah, totally, So Jackie,

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Speaker 1: that's like it. That's all of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, now I gotta watch out for Gretchen. I gotta

934
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: I gotta check in and have on New York and

935
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: see if the feud was ever resolved, and if whether

936
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Speaker 2: or not it is, I'm calling Ryan Murphy to either

937
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 2: produce that or produce something about doctor Thelmamas, Doctor Thelmamas.

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Speaker 2: So whichever pitch, you know, we'll split. We'll split fifty

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Speaker 2: fifty and Ryan will get this up on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: I'm fine, but doing a cameo is Gretchen, Oh my god,

941
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Speaker 1: what's going on with you? Are you hitting the road?

942
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: Are you going out there?

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 2: You know, things are starting to open back a little

944
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 2: bit and we're we're doing the things that we can

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00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 2: as long as they make sense. But you know, it's

946
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: still going to be a long road for you know,

947
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 2: all of the big tours and stuff to come back.

948
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Speaker 2: But looking forward to twenty twenty one and hopefully when

949
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 2: uh you know, we have some vaccines and or therapeutics available. Yeah,

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00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: so in the meantime, just you know, we'll see what

951
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 2: happens day by day.

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00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, people can just follow you at Jackie Cox

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00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: and uh get.

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00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 2: The Jackie Cox NYC right A platforms of course, including TikTok.

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Speaker 1: All right, well that's it, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: I adore you, darling. Thanks for having me. Oh my god,

957
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: adore thanks for being on anytime. Make sure next time

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Speaker 2: I come to LA you don't ghost me.

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Speaker 1: A as we jump over the fire pit. We gotta

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00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: do it. Thank you to miss Jackie Cox for coming

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Speaker 1: on the show. If you want to hear us talking

962
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: more about some spooky Persian paranormal belief send folklore, head

963
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: on over to Patreon on my second tier called on

964
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: with the Show. That is patreon dot com slash rozdres Vales.

965
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Speaker 1: There's also always a link to that in the description

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Speaker 1: of this episode. And check out that video of me

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00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 1: unpleasant at the Colorado Street Bridge in Pasadena, California to

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Speaker 1: see if I may or may not have caught some

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Speaker 1: paranormal evidence. I hope you guys have a fantastic Halloween,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you stay in the spooky Halloween spirit

971
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Speaker 1: because of course I will be all through November, December, January.

972
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name all the months, but all the

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Speaker 1: months I'm going to be giving you Halloween style content,

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Speaker 1: and so make sure you're subscribed. And please give this

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Speaker 1: show five stars on Apple Podcasts. It really helps me out.

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Speaker 1: And if you have a ghost story, you could leave

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Speaker 1: it in a review, or you could just leave a

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Speaker 1: Roz Dress Fales, I'm on venmo at Queen Roz, Instagram,

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Speaker 1: Roz Dress Fales. And watch that movie Bad Hair. I

982
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. It's on Hulu. It's spooky, it's a throwback.

983
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: It is unlike any horror movie I've seen so far,

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Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed it, and it's perfect for Halloween night.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening. I love you all,

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Speaker 1: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you

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Speaker 1: to haunt me, don't haunt me. Came back

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Speaker 2: A podcast network