1 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Time Out. I'm Eve Rodsky, author of the 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller fair Play and Find Your Unicorn Space, 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 1: activists on the gender division of labor, attorney and family mediator. 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: And I'm Doctor add In the rut Car, a physician 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: and medical correspondent with an expertise in the science of stress, resilience, 6 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: mental health, and burnout. We're here to peel back to 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: layers around why it's so easy for society to guard 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: men's time as if it's diamonds, and to treat women's 9 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: time as if it's infinite like sands. And whether you 10 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: are partnered with or without children, or in a career 11 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: where you want more boundaries, this is the place for 12 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: you for all family structures. We're here to take a 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: time out to learn, get inspired, and most importantly, reclaim 14 00:00:49,760 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: our time. Good afternoon, add high E. Great to see 15 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: you as always. I know I really enjoy our our 16 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: own little unicorn space that we've carved out for each other. 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: But I wanted to tell you a story today about 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: a journey, a Unicorn space journey. But that journey is 19 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: going to take us through three things. It's going to 20 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: take us through curiosity, connection, and completion. So why those 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: three things? Why those three c's. Well, for me, it 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: started with curiosity, my own curiosity with understanding our obsession 23 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: with happiness. So when I was researching for fair Play, 24 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: so many women were saying to me, I don't feel happy. 25 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I have everything that society told me I wanted. I 26 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: have the two point five kids, the nice apartments or 27 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: a house. I have house plans that don't die. I 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: have a nice partner. I have a good job, and 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: all these things things that I've been searching for the 30 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: path that was set out for me. I ticked every 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,839 Speaker 1: single one of those boxes. And yet I still feel unfulfilled. 32 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: I still feel unhappy. And so I got really interested 33 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: in this idea of happiness. What is it? One woman 34 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: said to me, Eve, I'm gratitude journaling myself to death, 35 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and so I said, oh, yeah, there has been a lot. 36 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of books on happiness the past 37 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 1: ten years. We've spent a lot of time and happiness podcast, 38 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: happiness books, happiness journals, and so I sat in a 39 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: few of them. I sat in some happiness labs. I 40 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: read many positive psychology articles. I spoke to many experts, 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: and here's what I came to happiness and the pursuit 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: of happiness is going to make you more sad m 43 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: This is when I start to understand from the research. 44 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: What I understand is that off and happiness and meaning correlate, 45 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: and for a lot of my life maybe it did, 46 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: especially when I was on that extrinsic path. And then 47 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: there are times where happiness and meaning don't go together. 48 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Happiness without meaning, we know what that is. It's actually 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 1: been a lot of my coping mechanisms during the pandemic. 50 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: That's my emotional eating, doom scrolling, binge, watching TV, things 51 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: that ultimately feel empty when they're done, but in the moment, 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: I think, okay, that that feels good. And then I 53 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: found out that there is meaning without happiness, and it's 54 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: sometimes correlated with caregiving, and that's how I often feel 55 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: too that existentially taking care of my kids, I feel meaning. 56 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: But as a study show, people would rather be in 57 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a freaking root canal than hanging out with their toddler, 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: and by people, I mean me. So happiness without meaning, 59 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: meaning without happiness is where I think a lot of 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: us have been stuck, especially in the past two to 61 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: three years. And here's the good part when happiness and 62 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: meaning intersect, where those two come together, that's a sweet spot. 63 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: And so the idea of mental health as being a 64 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: place where we want to be happy is a misnomer. 65 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: As my colleague Lisa de Moore says, real mental health 66 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: is having the appropriate emotion at the appropriate time and 67 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: the ability and strength to weather it. Those experiences of 68 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: happiness and meaning, where those collide like fireworks, is what 69 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: we want people to have because those experiences become our umbrellas. 70 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: And so I'm really excited because we can't tell you 71 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: what it is for you. I wish we could. But 72 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: what we can do is help you discover it, find it, 73 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: reclaim it, get curious about it. And the first step 74 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: starts with curiosity. What's so beautiful about what you say 75 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: is it is true that meaning and happiness are two 76 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,600 Speaker 1: separate things and separate entities even in the brain. There 77 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: are two ways that we register happiness. The first is 78 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: hedonic happiness, like you were saying, binging on Netflix, buying 79 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: a fancy car, buying that designer bag, all of the 80 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: things that we do for that instant in the moment rush, 81 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: and that fades quickly and leaves a vacuum and avoid 82 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: and us wanting more so we do more of those 83 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: coping behaviors, So it's this negative feedback loop. The other 84 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: type of happiness, which we don't talk about because it's 85 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: not sexy and not flashy, is you demonic happiness. What 86 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: it means is the happiness that is filled with meaning 87 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: and purpose. And if you want to think about those 88 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: two a little bit differently, one is the thrill kind 89 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: of happiness and the other is that deep contentment type 90 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: of happiness. And scientifically, the way our brains and even 91 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,799 Speaker 1: our bodies process those two types of happiness are very different. 92 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 1: So what's most interesting to me is that with hedonic happiness, 93 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: you don't get those same deep brain or cellular benefits 94 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: as you do with you diamonic happiness. With you diamonic happiness, 95 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: it impacts our immune system and our cells in our body. 96 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: So even at the deeply cellular level, our bodies know 97 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: the difference, and unfortunately, in our modern society, we are 98 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: always chasing that hedonic happiness because it's easy to see 99 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: and shout out to Professor Laurie Santos. She teaches the 100 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: most popular class at Yale, and she also has a 101 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: wonderful podcast on happiness. But even Professor Laurie Santos, who 102 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: is the ultimate expert and happiness, was able to say 103 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: to me and give me a quote for my book, 104 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 1: that happiness as the end goal is really a fool's errand. 105 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: And so I believe you adity right that you demonic happiness. 106 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: Is that cellular happiness. And it's harder because it's an investment, 107 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: it's a journey. It doesn't hit us the same way 108 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: that maybe, like you said, going online and getting a 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: box in the mail from internet shopping does, But it's 110 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: worth it. Here's a great news. We can all access 111 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: the three cs of this creative life that brings these 112 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: meaning and happiness experiences. We can access our curiosity. And 113 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: by curiosity, we don't mean, as my friend said, well 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: I scroll my friends Venmo transactions that makes me curious. No, 115 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: not that type of curiosity. Connected curiosity, values based curiosity, 116 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: an active pursuit that you love so much, that you 117 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: wondered about, that you learn so much about that you 118 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: want to share with the world. So that's the connection 119 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: piece curiosity, and then this connection to the external and 120 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: then the third see which is my favorite see but 121 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: it's often really hard, especially for women, completion, because we've 122 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: been taught that to complete anything adity, we have to 123 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: be profoundly excellent as women, God forbid, were loud and wrong. Though. 124 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: Perfection and completion are two different things, but often they're conflated. 125 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: And so we're going to take you on a journey 126 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: through curiosity, connection and completion. But today we're starting with 127 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: one of our favorite guests, Justina Blakeney, who is a 128 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: bastion of not only beauty and wonder, but she is 129 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: a person who can connect us back to our curiosity 130 00:08:45,400 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 1: and I'm so excited to learn from her today. Today's 131 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: guest is Justina Blakeney. Justina, who has become an amazing 132 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: friend of mine, is an incredible artist and designer. She's 133 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: known for her love of bright colors, old patterns, her 134 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: beautiful use of nature. We're so excited to have her 135 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: with us. Welcome Justina. Thank you so much, Justina, you 136 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: are really leading the way in terms of creativity. I 137 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: wanted to first start off our conversation if you could 138 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about your journey. This beautiful 139 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: finished product of Jungalow. It wasn't an overnight success, and 140 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: so how did you get to where you are now? 141 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: Who you want? Some stories? Stories? Gosh, It's been such 142 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: a long and windy path to where I am now, 143 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: and I'm still on the path. Junglo started as a blog, 144 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: which really was just that. It really was a way 145 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: to follow my curiosity and to record and share my 146 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: curiosity with the world and create a conversation around things 147 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: that I loved, things that I loved doing, things that 148 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: lit me up, and really really very free form. It 149 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: started just as a way to chronicle my creative adventures, 150 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: and that really could have meant and it still means 151 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: so many different things. I didn't really know what I 152 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: wanted to do, or what I wanted to be in 153 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: the world and how I wanted to show up. All 154 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: I knew was that I had a lot of ideas, 155 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: was really creative, and I really loved making things and 156 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: connecting with people around the world, and so I just 157 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: started with a commitment. That's really how Junglo started. It 158 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: was just a commitment to be curious every day, to 159 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: be creative every day, and to track my progress and 160 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: to track what I was making and what I was 161 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: thinking about and what I was seeing in the world 162 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: that I was feeling inspired by and that come it 163 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: meant was to blog five days a week, and I 164 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: committed to it, and I stuck to that commitment for 165 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: about ten years. And that's really where Jungalow was born. 166 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: And it started in very small, small ways, just um 167 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: sharing a photograph of a plant outside my apartment that 168 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: was changing colors and bringing me joy, a photograph, a 169 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: drawing a project I was working on with a friend. 170 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: Little by little, things started to snowball. And when I 171 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: say little by little, I mean, you know, after about 172 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: five years of of doing this every day, right, and 173 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: and and I started to get asked to collaborate with people, friends, relatives, strangers, 174 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: people around the world, brands. All of a sudden, the 175 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: things that I just started noticing or the things that 176 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: I started making, began to connect me with really amazing creatives, 177 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: other people, clients, projects, And really that's how the brand 178 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: was born. Just following my curiosity and having the commitment 179 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: to stick to it five days a week. Sort of 180 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: sounds maybe a little bit oversimplified, but that's really what 181 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: it was. In the early days of blogging, especially in 182 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: the home decor kind of world, things were pretty monotonous. 183 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: There was a specific style that it seemed like the 184 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: online world was kind of adhering to. It was a 185 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: style that was very modern. It was a style that 186 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: was somewhat devoid of color, of personality of UM life, 187 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: in my opinion. So when I came on the scene 188 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: with my colors, my patterns, my plants, taking inspiration from 189 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: my heritage, from my travels, bringing that out into my space, 190 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: showing that a space could be maximal, didn't have to 191 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: just be minimal, it didn't have to follow UM these 192 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: specific trends. It was like the more I dug into 193 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: that and found that within myself and brought it out 194 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: and shared it, the more I attracted my community. And 195 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: then little by little, with the help of so many 196 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: smart and talented folks that are now on my team, 197 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: we've been able to turn this curiosity into a brand. 198 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: You said something beautifully, Justina, about taking inspiration from You 199 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: said your heritage, from your travels. We've talked about this before. 200 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: I've Gracis Lee taking your time already your diamond time 201 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: at interview for Unicorn Space, and you you helped me 202 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,439 Speaker 1: inspire a game that we're gonna be playing later. A 203 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: remix game, because I became so obsessed with this idea 204 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: of a remix that there could be a batter. But 205 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: you can't really have a batter unless you have your 206 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: baking soda and your flower. And it's into the delicious 207 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: batter that I want to eat before I even bake it. 208 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: But your life and your travels and your experiences in 209 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: your heritage really are all in that beautiful batter. And 210 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear a little bit about the things 211 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: that are in your remix, like what are those ingredients? 212 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: If you were a recipe, what are you What is 213 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: your recipe for your remix? Oh, my goodness, I love 214 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: this question. Um. How fun. So my heritage, my dad 215 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: is Black and Native American, and my mom is of 216 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: Eastern European Jewish descent. My dad grew up in California. 217 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: My mom grew up on the East Coast in New Jersey. 218 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: She moved to here in l A. Actually she moved 219 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: to when she was ten, and they met in Berkeley, 220 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: which is where I grew up, kind of during the 221 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: Civil Rights movement, And so I grew up in this 222 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: very multicultural household. And my maternal grandmother, Betty, who I 223 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: was very very close with Growing up, she was a 224 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: travel agent. The thing that lit her up was planning 225 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: family trips to different places all over the world, and 226 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: so from a very young age she would plan these 227 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: exuberant trips for us to different places around the world 228 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: and would cut coupons and it was like a whole thing, 229 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: and we get that to the paper tickets in the mound. 230 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: Was like, Oh, we're going to Mexico, or we're going 231 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: to Israel, or we're going to Europe. You know, we've 232 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: got to travel from a young age and see so 233 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: many different places. So that was so important and I 234 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: just always loved, loved traveling ever since I was a 235 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: very small child. When I was thirteen, my family moved 236 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: to Switzerland for a year. My parents were teaching at 237 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: a university there and so we did kind of a 238 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: sabbatical year and I went to the public school in 239 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: Switzerland in a very small town. I learned to speak Swiss, 240 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: German and some French, and learned what it felt like 241 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: to be a foreigner and how much about yourself you 242 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: learn when you're in Trench and a culture that's so 243 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: different from the culture that you were raised in. So 244 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: that was a really pivotal thing for me. So I 245 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: ended up going back to Switzerland and living there for 246 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: another year when I was in high school and lived 247 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: with a Swiss family. And then I ended up going 248 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: to u c. L A. And did my junior year 249 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: abroad in Italy and fell in love with a boy 250 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: while I was there and ended up moving back to 251 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: Italy and staying for another seven years. So this mix 252 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: of these different locations that were very close to me 253 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: and we're sort of pivotal. And then my heritage with 254 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Black culture and Jewish culture were sort of the main 255 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: cultures that I was raised with, and I was really 256 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: raised with both cultures. Those are some of my main ingredients. Um, 257 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: the mix continues and ingredients continue to be added, and 258 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: I think that that's one of those things that's um 259 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: also really important about learning about yourself and and curiosity, 260 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: right Like, I think that when it comes to your 261 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: own personal identity and unpacking who you are are, that 262 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: something that never stops, and and it shouldn't stop. You know, 263 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: I'm listening to your story and then I see the 264 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: visual representation of your life story in your work at Junglow. 265 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: One of the things that even I have spoken about 266 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: is that you have really brought us to That idea 267 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: of creativity is not nice to have. It's an essential 268 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: part of who you are for our listeners who may 269 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: not have had such a colorful life story and that 270 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: self awareness that you have to translate that life story 271 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: into being a maker. What is the first step that 272 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: people can take with their lived experience and their sense 273 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: of identity to really delve into their creativity in a 274 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: deeper way. It's easy for me to share what that 275 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: is for me, but I think when it comes to 276 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: everyone else, everyone's going to have their own vibe. You 277 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: might like coloring in a coloring book, you might like 278 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: cooking as your outlet for creativity. I think there are 279 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: so many ways to express one's creativity, and there's no 280 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: one right way to do it. For me, I love 281 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: the experience of input and output. So, for example, this weekend, 282 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: I was at the Huntington's here in Pasadena, which just 283 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: these incredible like botanical gardens, and I absolutely love going 284 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: to a botanical gardens and taking photos. I like to 285 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: get really abstract, get really close up to the leaves, 286 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: noticed the textures, the patterns, all the different colors. It's 287 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: something that's so inspiring for me. So I love just 288 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: really taking my time walking through these gardens and noticing 289 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,959 Speaker 1: all the special little moments. I really think that's something 290 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: that everyone can do, right. You just open your eyes 291 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: to something that brings you joy, that brings you that 292 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 1: that curiosity that delight. Take a photo. Then I sort 293 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: of catalog these photos for myself. Then when I get home, 294 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: I usually get out my watercolors. I could maybe do 295 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: it on my computer or an iPad, like maybe it's 296 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,120 Speaker 1: just a pencil and a paper, but just sketching and 297 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: drawing and just allowing yourself some time to explore without 298 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: thinking about the outcome. It's really just an exploration. One 299 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: of our mottos at Jungalow, and one of the things 300 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: that sort of part of the DNA of the brand 301 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: is that everyone is creative and that everyone can find 302 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: ways to express that creativity in their home. And so 303 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: I think it's really about just carving out time, right. 304 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: And I know that can be tricky for so many 305 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: of us, like dedicating even small amounts of time, but 306 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 1: I really consider dedicating even just fifteen minutes a day 307 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: to creativity as a form of self care, and it 308 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: can take so many different shapes, and it doesn't have 309 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: to include crazy supplies or an art studio or an 310 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: office or anything like that. It's just something as simple 311 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: as collecting some leaves off the ground and noticing the 312 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: different shapes and the different colors and how they play 313 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: off of each other. That's creative. Jina. You're telling me 314 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: either day on our Instagram live about reconnecting to the 315 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: simple pleasures of that daily creative practice, because obviously you 316 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: have many creative practices going on in a whole cycle 317 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: of curiosity, connecting to others in your community and completing things. 318 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: And we've talked about your love of completion, and I'm 319 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: a huge fan of yours because you complete things. Thank 320 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: you for doing that for all of us. But we 321 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: were talking about that time where you were like, oh, 322 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: I was having a bad day and sort of that 323 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: exercise you were doing in the morning. Can you talk 324 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: to us a little bit about that, because I think 325 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: I want to recreate a version of that for myself. 326 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:00,080 Speaker 1: Everyone should recreate a version of this for yourself. It 327 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: started almost a decade ago at the apartment I was 328 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: living in at the time. We had this little courtyard 329 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: and there was a peppercorn tree, and the leaves of 330 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: the peppercorn tree looked like eyes, and the little peppercorns 331 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: kind of looked like eyeballs. So I was like just 332 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: sweeping up one day and I was like, these kind 333 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: of look like eyes, these kind of like eyeballs. I 334 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: looked over, Um, they're watching you. They're all watching you. Um. 335 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: So there's a bougun via bush across the way, and 336 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: so there's all these bright pink bracts and then they 337 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,439 Speaker 1: just looked like little pockered lips. So they've got the 338 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: line that goes right for it looks like someone's wearing 339 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: like my favorite shade of Nars lipstick. And so I 340 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: just started playing, and I had a little white table 341 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: on the patio and I just started putting the peppercorns 342 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and the leaves and the bougon Via bract and all 343 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I had a face and it looked 344 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: so realistic, and I was looking at it and kind 345 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: of tripping out. I was like, oh my god, this 346 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: really looks like a face. Right, So I just started 347 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: playing with it, taking a few pictures, and when I 348 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: was done sweeping, I just sweep the leaves away, swep 349 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: the leaves away and put them in the compost, and 350 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: that was it. But every time I saw that face 351 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: on social media, yeah you so that moment, she's watching you. 352 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: It's returning this activity into something creepy. But no, it's no, no, 353 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 1: it's accountability. She's watching you to make sure you do it. 354 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: She's like the goddess of the Folian. So this, this activity, 355 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: and especially when my daughter was young, became something that 356 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,880 Speaker 1: I did every single day. Is I would go out. 357 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: I would take my daughter out on walks, and I'd 358 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: have a little ziplock bag and anytime I all like 359 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: an interesting looking seed, pod or leaf, I would just 360 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,199 Speaker 1: collect it and put it in my little ziplock And 361 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: then I would get home, when I would put my 362 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: daughter away for a nap, then I would go outside 363 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: and do these little faces and take pictures of them 364 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: and started sharing them on Instagram, and I invited my 365 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: community to make them too, because it really felt like 366 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: something so easy. You needed no supplies to do it. 367 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: It's so fun and everyone's always really smitten with the 368 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: results because their faces look like real faces, and they 369 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: have expressions, and they like look nad or like they're laughing, 370 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: or like they have a secret and they want to 371 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: share with you. And so I kind of started creating 372 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: these little narratives around these faces. I called the project 373 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: Face the Foliage and there's a Face the Foliage Instagram 374 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: account and hashtag as well, and so now people from 375 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: all over the world take part in this movement of 376 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: making these portraits out of leaves and flowers. And it's 377 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: just it couldn't be more simple. Okay, how did I 378 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: not know about this account? Because I'm like dying it is. 379 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: That's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen a lot 380 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: of joy. What I love about this Face the Foliage 381 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: is that anyone can do it. That creativity doesn't have 382 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: to be something that's out of reach. You don't have 383 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: to be quote unquote a creative person. Why do you 384 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: think it is that anyone can be creative? Because I've 385 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: seen it. I've seen it over and over and over again. 386 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: I've seen it in my daughter when she was a baby. 387 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: I've seen it in language and learning new languages, even 388 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 1: just in a single word. There's so much creativity there. 389 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: And I love thinking about the origins of things, right, 390 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: and so in order to create the world that we 391 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: live in, it just wouldn't be possible without human creativity. 392 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: And the human creativity is just it's so clear that 393 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: it's inside everyone. And so when I hear people saying like, oh, well, 394 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm not creative, Like you couldn't get up in the 395 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: morning if you were creative, you're making creative to say, 396 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: visions all throughout your day, whether you realize it or not. 397 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: Putting your clothes on in the morning is a creative decision. 398 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: And so some people value those creative decisions in different 399 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: ways than other people. And so I think that when 400 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: it comes to home decor, which is a world that 401 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: Junglow is housed in, people are also making creative decisions 402 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: about their homes all the time. Even if that create 403 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 1: decision is to leave your walls white, not to inject 404 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of personality into your home, to do the 405 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: basic basic stuff like, that's still a creative decision. And 406 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: so I think creativity is all around us, and it's 407 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: really inside us all and it's about whether or how 408 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: you choose to tap into it and cultivate it and 409 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: practice it. And that's something that I think is really 410 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: undervalued as well. I think a lot of times we 411 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: talk about people as being talented or creative the same 412 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: way we might talk about somebody who's a brunette or 413 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: has brown eyed is. But to me, this is something 414 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: that is cultivated throughout our lives. And even something as 415 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,479 Speaker 1: simple as a face the foliage project in the morning 416 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: and getting up and doing something like that, it changes 417 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 1: the way you see the world. Last week we are 418 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: on the podcast, we were talking about making space, just 419 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: how the space time continuum has been collapsing on all 420 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: of us and what a true boundary is. And I 421 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 1: wonder from what you're saying, if instead of saying I 422 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: have to make space and then doing it, maybe what 423 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: you do is you start with a creative practice, like 424 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to do a face the foliage painting. Because 425 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: if you're going to say you're going to do that, 426 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: or if you say to yourself, I'm going to blog 427 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: for say fifteen minutes every single day, you need the 428 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: space to do that. By making that decision to do 429 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: that thing, then space has to be created around it. 430 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: And so I think space could be looked in those 431 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 1: two different ways, where you can intentionally say I'm going 432 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: to make space or something, or you can pick the 433 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: thing the practice and then say I have to make 434 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: space around how to do that? If we could wrap 435 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 1: up by talking about the word space sort of like 436 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: a free a free association, because a lot of how 437 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: people associate Jungalow and you is this idea of taking 438 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: the mundane, as we said, to a sublime level. It 439 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: can happen without millions of dollars, with color, with plants. 440 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: That's a physical space. You have metaphorical space in your 441 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: brain for different types of creativity. But can you talk 442 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: just free association about what you think of the word space. 443 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: I hear a lot about holding space right now in 444 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: the wellness arena and talking about holding space for yourself, 445 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 1: holding space for other people. So I think about holding 446 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: space as sort of this sacred place where you're there 447 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: for someone that you love, or maybe someone that you 448 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 1: don't love, maybe someone that you're just getting to know 449 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: and really listening powerfully. Then I think of making space 450 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and making space for me. What that means is having 451 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: a space that reflects who I am and a place 452 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: where I can really grow and thrive with my family. 453 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: And it means being in a in a space that's 454 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: inspiring and a space that I allow to be ever changing, 455 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: in a space that I allow to not be perfect 456 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: and to know that this is going to change tomorrow, 457 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: because I'm going to change tomorrow, and that's okay. This 458 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: is a wet campus. Well. I think we wish for 459 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: you time space, physical space, metaphysical space, mental space to 460 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: be and Justina, thank you for becoming a friend. I 461 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: can't pay you back for all the times that I 462 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: have been inspired by you as well. Thank you both 463 00:28:48,640 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: so much. Hi, it's me Eve. I wrote Find Your 464 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: Unicorn Space as a permission slip for you to reconnect 465 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: and discover that thing that makes you come alive without 466 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: the guilt, without the excuses. Especially in our all too 467 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: busy world, making time for ourselves is essential work. It 468 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,239 Speaker 1: improves our health, our relationships, and it just might be 469 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: the antidote to burnout. Join me on a journey to 470 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: find your unicorn Space. Visit unicorn space dot com. So 471 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: every episode of this podcast will be ending with an 472 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: action item for you are listeners that we call a 473 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: time out. This is really a time for you to 474 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: focus on yourself and reflect on what you're hearing today. 475 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: Unicorn Space is not a hobby or a one time 476 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: passion or a side hustle, but a space you can 477 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: get curious about something, connect with other humans, and complete 478 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: an idea and so getting curious. Let's you a time 479 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,719 Speaker 1: out today to start getting people inspired, getting people curious 480 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: just this week. You don't have to be choreographing anything. 481 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: You don't have to be writing a giant book. Let's 482 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: just talk about inspiration that we could do this week. 483 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 1: Small start where you are time out to get inspired. 484 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: No fair playbook Adity comes out without some version of 485 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: a card game. So I'm prototyping this card game. It's 486 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: a remix game. It's like Cards Against Humanity or I 487 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: like to call it Cards for Humanity, because that's what 488 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: we're really trying here. We're trying to be more human. 489 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: So this game starts with me reading you fifty cards, 490 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: and I want you to pick one that you feel 491 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: curious about right now, just anything, don't think too hard 492 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: about it. And then what I'm gonna do is I'm 493 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: going to pick another card that you can remix with it, 494 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: just to get you inspired for this week. And by 495 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: the way, for our listeners, this is what you're gonna 496 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: be doing. You're going to be with us, taking out 497 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: your journal, picking one of those cards and then asking yourself, 498 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: why you picked it, and if you're interested in getting 499 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: a PDF copy of the game, go to fairplay life 500 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: dot com and sign up for our newsletter. Here we 501 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: go otherworldly pursuits like taro, astrology or magic, genealogy and lineage, 502 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 1: spiritual wellness, racing, cars, horses or boats, circus, theater and production, 503 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: snow sports, sports with balls, triathlon, running, memories and archiving, 504 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: sports with wheels, rhetoric, martial arts, dance, performing animals, travel 505 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: and culture, outdoors, water sports, storytelling, art, stitching in needles, metallurgy, music, woodworking, photography, 506 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: gardening and farming, florals, pottery, beauty, arrows and axes, building 507 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: in d i y, restoration and renovation, cooking, baking, coding, games, 508 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: video games, health and wellness, language and anthropology, event planning, finding, 509 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: collecting and forging, fashion, writing, teaching, research and learning, design, 510 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: math and sciences. So which card of all those just 511 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: stuck out to you today? Travel and culture. I have 512 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: so many, but I can't name them all, so I'll 513 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: just stick with travel and culture. Tell me a little 514 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: bit about why. Prior to the pandemic, I was an 515 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: avid traveler. I've been to so many different places, lived 516 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: in various parts of the world, and the pandemic put 517 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: all of that to a halt. It's been very difficult 518 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: to be landlocked and stuck, and it's taken a toll 519 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: on my mental health, as it has for everyone who 520 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: used to travel as their restpit and their winter escape 521 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: hatch and to really get a sense of the world 522 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: beyond themselves. And now I want to hear the values 523 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: that it connects with. I've always been fascinated by the 524 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: human story. That's why I went into medicine. I'm an 525 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: extrovert and I love speaking to different people, learning about 526 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: different cultures. I speak several languages and I'm always trying 527 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: to learn new different words and different languages because communication 528 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: is something that it lights me up. And of course 529 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: seeing different places, the visual aspect of travel, the foods, 530 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: the fashion, the sites, the sounds like, all of that. 531 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: It's an immersive experience. And I love that feeling of 532 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: feeling small in a place that's so vast. Being in 533 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: a city where I don't know anyone and I'm exploring 534 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: it brings out that sense of childlike wonder for me. Okay, 535 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: I love it. I want to just repeat back to 536 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: you what I hear so that I can pick a 537 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: card that I think we can remix with your travel 538 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: and culture. I heard the values of the human story. 539 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: I heard the value of connecting with others. I heard 540 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 1: the value of learning languages and other cultures. I heard 541 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: the value of communication. I heard the value of beauty. 542 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: I heard the value of being out of control, like 543 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: the idea of surrendering to the unknown. I heard the 544 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: value of taste and immersion. And wonder does that do it? Okay? 545 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: Job reflecting what you said? Perfect? Okay. So I'm going 546 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,760 Speaker 1: to pick a card that can remix with travel and culture, 547 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: and I'm picking research and learning. So what I'd like 548 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: you to do is to have a learning night with 549 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: your family or with yourself. I'd like you to have 550 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: your whole family put ten different locations into a bowl, 551 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: so have them look at it alas You're gonna pick 552 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: just random, tend pop and Guinea or Argentina. Just have 553 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: everybody pick at least two or three put in the bowl. 554 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 1: Then you're going to pick out one of the pieces 555 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: of paper at random. You'll open it up, so say 556 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: you pick buen us aires Argentina. Now, the research and 557 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: learning part of travel and culture is that since you 558 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: can't go to that place yet, what I'll ask you 559 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: to do is that for everybody to bring one piece 560 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: of research and learning to your travel and culture dinner. 561 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: So maybe that's a craft from Argentina. Maybe that's a 562 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,919 Speaker 1: local food like an empanada like you have to order 563 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: in empanadas. Maybe it's bringing Spanish words to the table 564 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,960 Speaker 1: so that your whole family just converses in Spanish that night, 565 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: even if it's you've never spoken the language before. Maybe 566 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: it's a YouTube video with a festival from Argentina. So 567 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,680 Speaker 1: that's what I'll ask you to do this week. Find 568 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: a traveling culture night and then I love it, learn 569 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: about it. I have the biggest smile on my face 570 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: because that is the Unicorn space. It allows you to 571 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: be wherever you are and still pursue that sense of 572 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: curiosity and wonder which lights you up. So listeners, what 573 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna do is you're going to play the solitaire 574 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: version of this. Take a card, any card, pick it, 575 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: write down why you picked it, write down the values 576 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,879 Speaker 1: it connects with you, and then take any other card 577 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 1: from the deck and remix it, combine it, make it 578 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: into a delicious batter with another card and pick one 579 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: thing you're going to do this week. That's a remix. 580 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: So that's today's time out, and next week we'll be 581 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: back to build on the commitment and creativity conversation we 582 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: had with Justina. We're gonna be talking about goals. 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