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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode two of Giants Rewind with Carl Banks.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Schmelkin. You shouldn't be surprised based

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Speaker 1: on the title, but with me is Carl Banks. Hi, Carl, Hello, sir. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the Giants coming off a thirty five to fourteen loss

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Speaker 1: of the Patriots. And if you don't watch the game, Carl,

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Speaker 1: and you just look at the score, you might think

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Speaker 1: that this was a very one sided affair. But this

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Speaker 1: was a one score game in the fourth quarter, and

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Speaker 1: if the Giants make a couple less mistakes and a

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Speaker 1: few more plays, the result could have been very, very different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you know, the NFL is a life full of

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Speaker 1: should have could us and um, if it's some butts

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Speaker 1: were candies and nothing, they would be Christmas exactly. Um.

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Speaker 1: So there are no moral victories. So I was pleased

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Speaker 1: to see the effort on the football field. But I

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Speaker 1: was even more pleased to see that the players were

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Speaker 1: discussed after the game, knowing that they had an opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And what that tells me, John, is that this team

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Speaker 1: is closer to being a good football team than not.

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Speaker 1: When you have guys that care, guys that knew that

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Speaker 1: they had an opportunity, UM, and their effort the last

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Speaker 1: three weeks, UM, both sides of the ball has been

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Speaker 1: really good. So UM, you see players stepping up, you

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Speaker 1: see guys making mistakes, but they're making them full speed,

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Speaker 1: and that's when you know you've got a good nucleus

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Speaker 1: and you had an offense. Let's be honest with you know,

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Speaker 1: both hands tied behind their back in this game. So

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Speaker 1: if I'm a Giant fan from the seat that I sit,

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Speaker 1: I would say this team is really close to being

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Speaker 1: a good football team. The pieces are starting to come

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Speaker 1: into place. And I'm gonna give you some names and

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Speaker 1: you can tell me what your thought. But Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 1: consistently pushing the inside of him getting better and better.

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Tomlinson in his second year, UM, yeah, um, you know.

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Speaker 1: And then we have I say, welcome back Carter, Lorenzo Carter,

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Speaker 1: who had been gone with an injury but really hadn't

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Speaker 1: stepped up a lot this year, and boy did he

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Speaker 1: come out of a rocket. UM against the Patriots. He

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Speaker 1: had a sack fumble, but he was very active both

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Speaker 1: versus to run and pass. And the interesting thing that

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Speaker 1: there was this, you know, the the UM expert echo

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Speaker 1: Chamber was somehow trying to project him as an inside

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Speaker 1: linebacker because he wasn't effective as an outside guy. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: he hasn't even he hasn't perfected the outside linebacker position.

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Speaker 1: He is an outside linebacker by trade. And you could

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Speaker 1: see just all promising he was because everything that some

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Speaker 1: non linebacking expert wrote about he can't bend the edge,

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Speaker 1: he has no burst, uh and no instincts. He has

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Speaker 1: all the above, you know. And I was glad to

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Speaker 1: see against the best team in football that he really

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Speaker 1: showed up. Alec Ogultree um very active, probably his best

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Speaker 1: game as a Giant. And then Marcus Golden again in

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Speaker 1: the defensive i mean offensive backfield, getting a sack, very

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Speaker 1: active in all phases of the game. So I'm rattling off.

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Speaker 1: And then Jabral Peppers um very active. Yeah, he had

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Speaker 1: a mistake. He had a mistackle. He missed it full speed, okay, um,

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Speaker 1: gen Norris Jenkins playing well, you're not hearing uh DeAndre

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Speaker 1: Baker's name, which is a good thing, right. So you

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Speaker 1: see a nucleus coming together that's just not a group

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Speaker 1: of you know, slap happy football players. And I think

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Speaker 1: Betcher is figuring out how to use these guys too.

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Speaker 1: And it takes a coach, cause you know, time to

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Speaker 1: to best use them. And he's consistently now for the

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Speaker 1: last few weeks played a lot more zone than man.

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Speaker 1: He's not blitzing a lot, He's letting the guys play coverage.

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Speaker 1: And to me, the big difference between last week and

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Speaker 1: this week. They tackle a lot better against New England,

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Speaker 1: which you're gonna play zone half to. They didn't do

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Speaker 1: it against Minnesota. They were better this week, not perfect,

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Speaker 1: but better, and their situational football is excellent. They were

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Speaker 1: great on fourth down and the Patriots scored on only

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Speaker 1: half of their red zone appearances. You can do you

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Speaker 1: can be it, bend, but don't break das if you

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Speaker 1: do those things well sure, And and you know the

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Speaker 1: thing about you you mentioned um JB I call him

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Speaker 1: jb uh coach betcher Um. He's figuring it out, but

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Speaker 1: his players are figuring it out too. I mean, listen

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Speaker 1: the first game of the season, the first game and

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Speaker 1: And I knew for a fact that this coaches is

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Speaker 1: too smart to allow the things that are happening during

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Speaker 1: You know, how many rookies are on the field. They

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Speaker 1: So he suggested to make it more conducive to what

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Speaker 1: they do. Um. And they're playing faster. Um, they're playing

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Speaker 1: anxiety free football. And you can see it like you know,

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Speaker 1: the Jibril Peppers of the last two weeks. It's not

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Speaker 1: flying around, uh, very confident. So I like what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 1: And then offensively, you know, for whatever her um, I

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Speaker 1: would say, whatever the warts are, you know, in terms

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Speaker 1: even some play calling, situational play calling that can come

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Speaker 1: into question. Boy, this coach can scheme some offensive plays.

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Speaker 1: Now he's you know, some against some of the best defenses.

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Speaker 1: He's given his team opportunities. Um, the way he came

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Speaker 1: out in the second half to start the third quarter,

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Speaker 1: lulled into an interception. So there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that you can look at this team and say, boy, well,

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Speaker 1: if Barkley had this run instead of third team running back,

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Speaker 1: eight yards. So, um, there's a lot. But I think

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Speaker 1: the biggest part of it to me, John, is that

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Speaker 1: the players genuinely want to win football games. When you

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Speaker 1: England Patriots and they're ready to blink. You just didn't

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Speaker 1: have enough. A lot of teams would go in and say,

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Speaker 1: we felt good we took him, you know we this

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Speaker 1: team was pissed. They thought they legitimately had a chance

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Speaker 1: to to win that game. And that's what you want.

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Speaker 1: You want that type of team in your locker room.

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Speaker 1: And that's why I say they are closer to being

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Speaker 1: a good team, uh than a lot of people realize. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's jump to the offense, and you brought him up,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it. Let's start at the quarterback first pass

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Speaker 1: that he threw for an interception, throw behind, the guy

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Speaker 1: got tipped up in the air. It'll happen to any quarterback.

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Speaker 1: second one he had plenty of time to throw the

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Speaker 1: will doing that on the last one. We watched this

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Speaker 1: back two or three times on tape on on the plane,

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Speaker 1: right back last night, and for the folk at home,

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Speaker 1: that final interception was trying hit red I Wilson on

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Speaker 1: a on a seven route, a little flag route, and

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Speaker 1: and picked it off. It was actually identical to a

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Speaker 1: in the same play. Maybe Jones thought he saw the

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Speaker 1: looked at it on the plane. They can play it

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Speaker 1: three different ways and make it look the same. You

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Speaker 1: you can play man off. So you're playing a loose

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Speaker 1: man coverage and it looks like it's zone, but if

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Speaker 1: these are things that he's gonna have to learn. And look,

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Speaker 1: you can't knock the kid. Um, it's the first time

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Speaker 1: he's ever seen it, you know what I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: not they're not running those complex uh coverages at Duke

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Speaker 1: he was on a short week. Yeah, and on a

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Speaker 1: short week, so all things considered, Yeah, he blew that one, right,

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Speaker 1: but he was he was lured into it. So remember

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Speaker 1: they say he doesn't make the same mistake twice. Now

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Speaker 1: that's watch he moves forward, right, And these are all

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Speaker 1: new experiences for him, So I think he's gonna be okay. Um. Now,

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Speaker 1: the one that you brought up where he's just holding

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Speaker 1: and if you don't see your guy, you need another

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Speaker 1: look like that was happening about there was no one

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Speaker 1: he's just like I'm waiting for something. The only thing

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Speaker 1: I could just buy just enough time because he was

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Speaker 1: be open. The funny thing Carl with him, I almost

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Speaker 1: I think in some ways it helps him. In some

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Speaker 1: So in Duke, Duke's underman's right, you know, if any

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Speaker 1: running free on DeAndre Baker is just not happening, okay,

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Speaker 1: So he has to do that and I think that's

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Speaker 1: a good thing. Heading into the NFL, because you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy like Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield and Dayne Haskins.

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Speaker 1: They have guys running with no one around him in college.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't happen up here in the NFL, but not

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Speaker 1: not consist anyway. So that's a good thing. Now, the

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Speaker 1: There's some really small areas and that gets sometimes turning

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Speaker 1: the interceptions. Well, yeah, and he had You're absolutely right,

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Speaker 1: be I mean, you gotta be good to do that

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Speaker 1: as a quarterback UM, and sometimes it puts pressure on

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Speaker 1: is a risky proposition sometimes. But when um quarterback and

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Speaker 1: you trust those types of throws. How about Golden Tape.

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Speaker 1: Second game back made a big impact, made a couple

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Speaker 1: of contested catches which he is good at, made the

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Speaker 1: one big play over the top, and we talked about

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Speaker 1: it during a commercial break during the game. When a

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Speaker 1: the Patriots do, I think they played the time when

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Speaker 1: I tracked it and Profoot both focus at that number.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to win over the top at some

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Speaker 1: knowing that you're in a big game, knowing that um,

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