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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we always hold on to

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Speaker 1: the ball as we cross the end zone line. I'm

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal here in the talkSPORT studios early Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: one fifteen, as we start this show, the week five

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Speaker 1: recap show from London. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and that is

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Speaker 1: Will Gavin Ollie Connelly both called the game with me

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Speaker 1: earlier today Vikings and Browns, and now you are going to.

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Speaker 2: Be fully ready to talk about every single.

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Speaker 3: Game in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Look, we established a wonderful rapport earlier on today. We

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Speaker 4: came together over the course of four hours. Nothing can

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Speaker 4: go wrong. Over the next hour, hour and a half,

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Speaker 4: however long, we're going to be saut in these seats,

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Speaker 4: chopping out about crackingslayer games.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait. And we had perhaps the game of

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Speaker 1: the year in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 5: Let's go a thirty nine yard field goal at ten.

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Speaker 5: He has kicked a pair of thirty six yarders Chase

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Speaker 5: McLoughlin and the Bucks win it on the road in Seattle,

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Speaker 5: spot down, Its kicked as airborne, it is loving up,

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Speaker 5: it is gone, and the Bucks beat the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 5: Tampa Bay thirty eight. Seattle thirty five and the Buccaneers

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Speaker 5: come from behind the fourth quarter again it scored a

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Speaker 5: game winner with no time.

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Speaker 3: Left on the clock.

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Speaker 5: The Cardiac crew is alive and well in the Pacific Northwest.

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Speaker 4: Oh that is game.

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Speaker 1: How about that Zecker off and a little extra how

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Speaker 1: about that at the end box win in Seattle thirty

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Speaker 1: eight to thirty five. Yes, in a game where the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks only had the ball nine times and five possession

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Speaker 1: sequence where they scored a touchdown all five times, they

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Speaker 1: find a way to lose to a Buccaneers team that

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Speaker 1: is just finding different ways to overcome injuries week after week.

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Speaker 1: Therefore and one Seahawks fall the three and two. Olie Connelly,

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Speaker 1: we did a draft earlier of all the games, and

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Speaker 1: you were smart enough to take this game.

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Speaker 2: What was the key for the Bucks? It started out

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Speaker 2: as a fairly even, like good on good defensive matchup.

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Speaker 2: Then out of no way, it just turned into this

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Speaker 2: Bonker's chunk play parade all of the field. Both teams

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Speaker 2: had six plays of twenty odds on more in this game,

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Speaker 2: and it became this OSU wide receiver off. It was

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Speaker 2: Jackson Smith and Jigba against a Mecareg buk it was

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Speaker 2: Sam Donald, it was Baker Mayfield throwing seeds all over

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Speaker 2: the field. Donald almost threw the game away two times

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Speaker 2: in this and then eventually there was a pass skipped

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Speaker 2: off a helmet of Logan Hall into the Anelevante David

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Speaker 2: one play one real misqueue in the game, and they

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Speaker 2: kicked the game winning field goal.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're talking about the sequence. The Seahawks get

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Speaker 1: the ball back with oneh eight to go, Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: had just thrown a touchdown past two Sterling Shepherd, they

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Speaker 1: had just got bought back with a little over three

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Speaker 1: minutes to go, tied it up, and you figure the

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Speaker 1: way this thing was going that Darnold was gonna lead

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Speaker 1: get the interception, and I just think, Igbuca Ali is

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Speaker 1: turning into one of the stories of the season. Seven catches,

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Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty three yards. He had an incredible

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Speaker 1: touchdown catch on a beautiful throw by Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 2: What the heck, let's already listen to that call?

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Speaker 6: Third down fifteen, Mayfield winds up, Pros call touchdown bookah

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Speaker 6: right on the money. Mayfield with a touchdown thro and

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Speaker 7: What a strike?

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Speaker 8: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love that call from Kevin Harlan, and hearing him

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Speaker 1: call a game kind of makes me realize how unfit

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Speaker 1: I am, not only for this job we had earlier today,

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Speaker 1: Seahawks and Buccaneers defense were also a little out of sorts,

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Speaker 1: Like did you think this was good offense or bad defense.

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Speaker 3: In this game?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was to open with good on good

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Speaker 2: And when he came into the league, it was almost

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Speaker 4: I think the fact that it was all Baker today

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Speaker 4: and he just I don't know, Baker three ndred and

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Speaker 4: seventy nine yards. He made just dime after dime after dime. Like,

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Speaker 4: there were so many great throws in this game. You

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the Seahawks were losing corners throughout the game.

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Speaker 2: trust my downfall. We've got all this investment these guys

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Speaker 2: so instead of trying to force the ball off of

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Speaker 2: it out up front. And those guys just couldn't get home.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of injuries on both sides.

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Speaker 1: I think people are familiar with the Bucks injuries on

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Speaker 1: the right side of their line. I thought the Seahawks

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Speaker 2: Like do you find any of this like fluky or

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Speaker 1: It can't continue ali when you watch it on a

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Speaker 1: Is I think made an extremely strong case and Baker

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Speaker 2: Donald in this game made two or three candidates for

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Speaker 2: it's like in Grizart. He's found kind of the perfect

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Speaker 1: I love how they are surviving this portion of the

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Speaker 1: schedule and I keep thinking it's gonna get easier, but

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Speaker 1: they have the forty nine ers. They're at the Lions

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 4: And when it comes to you talked about the injuries

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Speaker 3: So I think point four to twenty seven.

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Speaker 4: But it's more that factor of, like you said, it,

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Speaker 4: constantly finding a way to win. Baker Mayfield, whether it

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Speaker 3: They might be.

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Speaker 4: Relying on time and time again game winning drives. All

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Speaker 4: four of their wins this season have come on game

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Speaker 3: Literally, is the clocks hit zero.

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Speaker 4: They are that team who just find a way to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, four wins, nine points, that is their total over

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Speaker 2: Right now, I feel like they can win any kind

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Speaker 2: I think, I look at them defensively, they may have

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Speaker 2: for Mayfield, he has the more impressive stat line. Donald

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Speaker 2: Tom Winfield Junior is back to his absolute best, and

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Speaker 2: those guys got cooked at times because of how well

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Speaker 2: Donald and Smith and Jigber and the other guy's played.

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Speaker 2: And the only really advo concerned at linebacker. If they

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Speaker 4: The Monte David has a lot to say about that.

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Speaker 4: He had the game changing place.

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Speaker 2: He did, and it was, you know, touched off a

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Speaker 2: a smooths about j Dennis. Maybe the most unmossible player

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Speaker 2: now in the front. Todd Balls tried to be a

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Speaker 1: Oh that is Dave Logan on ko a. Yes, a

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Speaker 4: they leant on the run game, but it allowed Bonix

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Speaker 3: They got a couple of really key calls go their way.

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Speaker 4: The grounding call went their way, the Zach Bourne roughing

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Speaker 4: From an Eagles offense perspective, last week, in the second half,

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Speaker 2: Or they did. Some of that, to be fair, was

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Speaker 2: but this feels like a Nick Sirianni lost to me.

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Speaker 2: We talk all the time about the organizational victories they

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Speaker 2: just felt like Sirianni the game got away from him.

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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is in the first half it

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Speaker 1: It does feel like the Eagles are always responding to

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Speaker 1: Who knows how this game looks, but I think Brown

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Speaker 2: Let's listen.

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Speaker 1: That was an awesome play call, and it's won that

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Speaker 4: And look, you talked about the Eagles reacting to what

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Speaker 2: And Peyton will do anything to stick it to fangs.

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Speaker 2: You know that he felt that one. I think that

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Speaker 2: Even early on, they were not forced feeding aj Brown.

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Speaker 1: And Eagles fans seem rather annoyed by this team, considering

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Speaker 2: two pieces away. Maybe some internal development, gelics hunt, someone

440
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Speaker 2: like that coming up, Maybe trying to found find some

441
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Speaker 2: outside help. I know it's a Darius Smith out of

442
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Speaker 2: sect today. Maybe they could go and find another dress

443
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Speaker 2: from the market.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would help. Like Jalen Carter, just being Jalen

445
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Speaker 1: Carter will help. I went and looked at the defensive

446
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Speaker 1: line snap because I'm watching this game and thinking, man,

447
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Speaker 1: it seems like you never comes off the field. He

448
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480
Speaker 1: played sixty three snaps in this game out of seventy.

449
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Speaker 1: No one else on the defensive line even played forty.

450
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Speaker 1: But he had one pressure and he just wasn't super

451
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Speaker 1: has been Jalen Card though. There is a sense that

452
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Speaker 1: people believe he just walked into like the Aaron Donalds

453
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Speaker 1: fare because of the last postseason, that this is who

454
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Speaker 1: he has been throughout his careerge you will get hot

455
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Speaker 1: streak games where he looks like the most dominant player

456
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Speaker 1: to have ever played, and then he has really quiet weeks.

457
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Speaker 2: That's just the experience.

458
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Speaker 3: Now, just on Nick Benita very quickly.

459
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Speaker 4: Can we just say to Tony Romo and Jim Nance,

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Speaker 4: we all know who Nick Benito is. At this point,

461
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Speaker 4: you don't need to be tellings on the broadcast. Maybe

462
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Speaker 4: the national people will listen to how.

463
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Speaker 3: Good he is now.

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Speaker 4: It's like we've been talking about him for the last

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Speaker 4: year plus.

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Speaker 3: It's fine, we know Nick Benito is very good at football.

467
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Speaker 1: Old Jim Nance and Tony Romo and myself always the

468
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Speaker 1: last a party an incredible win. I really think a

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Speaker 1: season altering win for the three and two Denver Broncos

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Speaker 1: before they head over here in London.

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Speaker 2: But before we this first block, let's talk.

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Speaker 1: About the game that we were at at Tottenham Hotspurs Stadium.

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Speaker 2: What seems like.

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Speaker 3: A long time ago.

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Speaker 11: Wentz in the gun, Mason alongside and choosing to hold

476
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Speaker 11: on to that last time out thirty seconds on the clock,

477
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Speaker 11: second and five takes the snap, goes to the right side,

478
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Speaker 11: look at for Rabison Adison d zone.

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Speaker 3: He touchdown of the Vikings.

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Speaker 4: Denzel Ward in the area, but Carson Wentz places a

481
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Speaker 4: perfect ball over the.

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Speaker 11: Corner into the arms of Jordan Adison, who falls into

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Speaker 11: the ed and zone on the Minnesota Vikes take a

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Speaker 11: twenty to seventeen leads.

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Speaker 3: Here are the Tottenham How's first ideal.

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Speaker 12: It's a perfect, perfect call from Kevin o'connelly. He gets

487
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Speaker 12: us a little out and op route from Jordan Madison

488
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Speaker 12: to the sidelines. The grounds are sitting in zone, Denzil

489
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Speaker 12: walkingnot trigger and closing the ball.

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Speaker 1: Oh great call there by Will Gavin and Allie Connolly,

491
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Speaker 1: who had to take off his headphones because he refused

492
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Speaker 1: to even listen to the car, but he did a

493
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Speaker 1: fantastic job, as he did all game long breaking down

494
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Speaker 1: what happened in real time. Carson Wentz goes overseas plays

495
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Speaker 1: well enough the first game made it fun in the

496
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter. This time he has the game winning drive.

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Speaker 1: Vikings win twenty one to seventeen. And yes, the three

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Speaker 1: of us called this game. Did you ever have any

499
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Speaker 1: doubts when Carson Wentz got the ball back that he

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Speaker 1: was gonna drive down the field for the game winner.

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Speaker 2: I have to say you hear Will bring that kind

502
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Speaker 2: of energy in a big moment. And we have to

503
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Speaker 2: listen to Al Michaels snooze through Satay Night Football, Drop

504
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Speaker 2: the bag, Bezos, will Is hit drop the bat. I

505
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Speaker 2: would love to see that.

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Speaker 1: And there were times, yes where I just got distracted,

507
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Speaker 1: like listening to Will today because it was so fun.

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Speaker 2: By that point in the game, I was down on

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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna do the postgame interviews for Sky Sports.

511
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Speaker 1: I got to see it close in real time. And

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Speaker 1: what I'll remember about that closing sequence was not just

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Speaker 1: that Addison catch to win the game, but the three

514
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Speaker 1: straight Addison catches in a game where he was benched

515
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Speaker 1: in the first quarter. They didn't really get into the

516
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Speaker 1: details of why, but it's clearly some sort of disciplinary decision.

517
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Speaker 1: And he had a great route on the third and

518
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Speaker 1: four a couple plays before, he showed some toughness to

519
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Speaker 1: get to the first down marker to keep that drive going,

520
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Speaker 1: and then a great route. And watching these vikings in person,

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Speaker 1: you do just think, wow. You know, they have such

522
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Speaker 1: great route runners between him, feel and Jefferson. If they

523
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Speaker 1: can get good quarterback play, they're going to be dangerous.

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Speaker 1: And they got just good enough quarterback play today. Yeah,

525
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Speaker 1: and I think toughness was a big key of it.

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Speaker 1: You said it there with Addison, but this is a

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Speaker 1: team who would down three offensive line starters plus their

528
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Speaker 1: backup center as well, and they did a brilliant job

529
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Speaker 1: of protecting Carson Wentz well. He wasn't touched, not quarterback hit,

530
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Speaker 1: not sacked through two and a half quarters, almost through

531
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Speaker 1: to the third quarter, and yet they started to get pressure.

532
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Speaker 1: But Wentz goes out of this game injured in the

533
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Speaker 1: second quarter. After you know, a quarterback keeper where he

534
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Speaker 1: has taken the ball on a scramble and then ended

535
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Speaker 1: up getting hit, comes back in leads those two touchdown grives.

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Speaker 3: It's not drives.

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Speaker 4: Let's not forget they had a missed field goal in

538
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Speaker 4: this game and the two fumbles as well. Like in theory,

539
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: this could have been a big Vikings win, but they

540
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Speaker 4: find a way to win it late.

541
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Speaker 3: And the Addison thing, You and I both.

542
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Speaker 4: Spoke to him in the locker room afterwards, very much

543
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Speaker 4: a young man who held his hands up, who said,

544
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Speaker 4: I spoke to the team. I fessed up, and I

545
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 4: was very clear on like apologizing, and they've all lifted

546
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Speaker 4: me up, and I wanted to go out there and

547
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Speaker 4: prove myself.

548
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Speaker 3: And I thought he was sensational in that fourth quarter.

549
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's just no one doing it like Kevin

550
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Speaker 2: O'Connell right now. The plan to try and neutralize Miles

551
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Speaker 2: Garrett given what is going on all around the offensive line,

552
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Speaker 2: and then you see mid game the Browns open up.

553
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Speaker 2: They're going to play a ton of man coverage. That's

554
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Speaker 2: what they do. O'Connell is trying to gamify the matchups

555
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Speaker 2: to try and make things work. Then Schwartz starts jumping

556
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Speaker 2: into a ton of zone coverage in the second half

557
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 2: of the game. All of a sudden, they've got to

558
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Speaker 2: start at least in and TJ. Awkinson down the field.

559
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 2: They use Hawkinson constantly to chit Miles Garrett. When it's

560
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Speaker 2: go time in the fourth quota, everyone is out. We

561
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Speaker 2: got to give cost some Wentz options. We got to

562
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Speaker 2: go win the game. And I was actually disappointed in

563
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Speaker 2: the Browns front. I thought the given they were getting

564
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Speaker 2: basically four on five for a lot of the fourth quota,

565
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Speaker 2: with all the stars they've got, those guys played really

566
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Speaker 2: well inside. Isaiah MacGuire had a good game, but they

567
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Speaker 2: didn't really impact the game when it was a must

568
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Speaker 2: have a drive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jonathan Gridard in this game had more quick pressure.

570
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Speaker 1: So that's two point five seconds or less than the

571
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Speaker 1: entire Browns team. And we talked before the game, which

572
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Speaker 1: will be the bigger mismatch in terms of defensive lines

573
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Speaker 1: on the opposing banged up offensive lines, And actually this

574
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Speaker 1: is the healthiest the Browns have been all season. They

575
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Speaker 1: got Jack Conklin back at right tackle, their interior line

576
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Speaker 1: who our veterans been around a while, all were playing,

577
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Speaker 1: and ultimately Minnesota I think did a better job affecting

578
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel.

579
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Speaker 2: Who played well.

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Speaker 1: Like I know, it wasn't amazing and you can't we

581
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Speaker 1: have too much credit to an offense and a quarterback

582
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Speaker 1: that had the ball four times in the fourth quarter,

583
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Speaker 1: couldn't score, couldn't move the ball at all in the

584
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Speaker 1: first three drives where they really had a chance to

585
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Speaker 1: put it away. But I kind of give the Vikings

586
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Speaker 1: pressure credit there, and I think they actually did have

587
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Speaker 1: a better chance to win with Dylan Gabriel playing today

588
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Speaker 1: than if Carson went had played.

589
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and it was a decision making.

590
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Speaker 4: It was time and time again under pressure, not panicking,

591
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 4: making the right call, taking the check down, taking.

592
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Speaker 3: The throw that was available to him.

593
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Speaker 4: And I just think there were two or three times

594
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Speaker 4: where he either threw the ball away or had a

595
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Speaker 4: good incompletion when he wasn't trying to force things in.

596
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Speaker 4: And you just thought, for the guys that I banged

597
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Speaker 4: this drum all of last week, sixty three starts in college,

598
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Speaker 4: and that doesn't necessarily mean you're going to come up

599
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Speaker 4: to the NFL and be all that. We've seen a

600
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Speaker 4: quarterback playing for the other team in this game who

601
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Speaker 4: struggled mightily coming in despite having a lot of starts

602
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Speaker 4: in college himself, and JJ McCarthy, but he just looked

603
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Speaker 4: very assured. He looked very ready. Yes, they weren't able

604
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Speaker 4: to quite put it together. They had a key drop

605
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Speaker 4: from Jerry Judy early in the game, his fifth of

606
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Speaker 4: the season. They kept in key moments, not finding the playmakers,

607
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: but they ran the ball well with quid John Jenkins.

608
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Speaker 4: He made right decisions like the Cleveland Browns were in

609
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 4: this game and had a lead later on, and I

610
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Speaker 4: was more impressed with them offensively than I expected to be.

611
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Gabriel looked comfortable with the speed of

612
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Speaker 2: the league. And that's kind of the first thing you're

613
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Speaker 2: looking for for a ninety fourth overall pick to step

614
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 2: into a game in Week five on the road internationally

615
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: against Brian Flores. I don't know what more you could expect.

616
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Speaker 2: Don't turn the ball over, don't make too many ridiculous

617
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Speaker 2: looking throws, and he didn't do that. He played within

618
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Speaker 2: the rhythm of the system. He extended plays a couple

619
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Speaker 2: of times. I thought he had really good pocket feel

620
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Speaker 2: when things were caving in. He did not just fold up.

621
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Speaker 2: There was only one instance where he really got jittery

622
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: in there and made enough target throw. For the most part,

623
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Speaker 2: he was stepping up and kind of slippery in the pocket.

624
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Speaker 2: Climbing through finding up receivers, and we only really saw

625
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Speaker 2: one flash of what are the limitations, which was the

626
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: hail Mary attempt where he loops it so I up

627
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: in the air that when they come back the second

628
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: time for second time to the hill, may they say

629
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Speaker 2: let's get away from that. We'll have to run across

630
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Speaker 2: so we don't think you can drive it down the field.

631
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Speaker 2: And that ends the game with the tackling bounds.

632
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Speaker 3: Can we give Oli Connolly a shout out?

633
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: Please?

634
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 4: Pre game, he told us there was going to be

635
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: a trick play early in this game. He said, it

636
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 4: was that kind of game, the way it was set up,

637
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 4: two defensive teams, and then they come in the Minnesota

638
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 4: Vikings run the Wildcat cam Akers touchdown throw. So the

639
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 4: widest open Josh Oliver he will ever be in his career.

640
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Speaker 3: We spoke again, we supposed to Josh Oliver after the game.

641
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 4: Not the most vocal man I've ever spoke to my life.

642
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: But when I said to him, like we stunned to

643
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 4: see there was nobody within about twenty yards of me

644
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 4: when he caught that ball, He's like, yeah, that was

645
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 4: really open, Like he was as open as could be

646
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: They bit on that as hard as they could, and

647
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 4: it was nice to see a bit of creative.

648
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Speaker 1: It took a minute to be like, who is thirty

649
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: one and the Vikings it's kim Akers. I elevated from

650
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: the practice squad.

651
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

652
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Speaker 1: Part of a fun first quarter where they went back

653
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Speaker 1: and forth. Doug Gabriel had had a good Dylan gibrierl

654
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Speaker 1: or rather had a good first drive with that ended

655
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Speaker 1: with a touchdown to Fannin. One of the best moments

656
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: I thought of the game was third quarter. The Vikings

657
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: had taken the lead on a Jordan Mason run and

658
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: then the Browns respond quickly to a man who was

659
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Speaker 1: really soaking up the love in London, David and Joko.

660
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Speaker 11: The Vikings favoring the left hand side of their defensive line.

661
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 13: Showing pressure.

662
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 11: Fanin moves he is being mop baima tellus fall over

663
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 11: the middle, Poultry taking a joking touchdown.

664
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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns over the middle.

665
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: I'm the big man who just.

666
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: Leaped over someone on the previous plan.

667
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: Now gets into the ends to Peyton's on the Cleveland

668
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 4: Browns im a lead here in North London.

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Speaker 1: Oh, David and Joku raises his arms to the Tottenham crown.

670
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 11: He is loving it.

671
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Speaker 2: He did it before the.

672
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Speaker 1: Game as well with this shirt off getting some love

673
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: from the Browns faithful who made the trip.

674
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Speaker 4: Ah.

675
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: That was stuck in my head because he did the

676
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: same motion before the game. David and Joku came out

677
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: to the crowd, no shirt on, knees on the ground

678
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: and just asked for the love. Got the love. Did

679
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: it during the game, did it after the game? There

680
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: was actually one sequence where they were going in on

681
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the next drive in the red zone and he wasn't

682
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: even supposed to be on the field for the play,

683
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: and the coaches had to be like David, like stop

684
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: he was wiling up the crowd before the fourth quarter starts,

685
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: you have to come back off the field.

686
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: But he brought the energy in a season that that

687
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: could use them.

688
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 4: It was amazing that just before that fourth course, he

689
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: literally was helmet off pronouncing him down the line.

690
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: They were in the huddle discussing the play and he

691
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: was just dancing around them, geeing up the crowd.

692
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 4: Before he just kind of waltzed off to the sideline

693
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: and watched the play. A real character's day, and even

694
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 4: after the game, obviously suffering a loss, falling to one

695
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: and four, not where the Browns want to be. But

696
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 4: him and Jefferson were having some fun as well. Like

697
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: David and Joku has had a not the greatest starts

698
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 4: of the season. Howard Fannin's been been excellent coming in

699
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: as the rookie, had really been the star tight end

700
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: in this team. But he had his best day certainly

701
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 4: of the season today and he was really feeling himself.

702
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the throws to Judy and Isaiah Bond we were

703
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: much less effective than then to the tight ends. Twelve

704
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: targets for them for a combined forty four yards. And

705
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: Olie kept noticing during the game that the wide receivers

706
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: on the Browns were just often confused and not ready

707
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: for the play at all, which is something you can

708
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: only see in person.

709
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had some real operational issues. There's a lot

710
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: of palms up off fence, guys looking to each Other's

711
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: a great Harold fan in play where at the snap

712
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: he has his palms up, he isn't sure what the

713
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 2: play is. All of a sudden he reels the ball,

714
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: he realizes that the ball has been snapped. He just

715
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: crushes someone on the end of the line of Scrimmae

716
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: and Pops Quinch and Judkins for a big run. So

717
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: there was a lot of operational stuff. It felt like

718
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: they couldn't hear what was coming from Dylan gab with

719
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 2: the line of Scrimmae whenever he's trying to check. So

720
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: maybe it's just a first start in the league. You

721
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: gotta be maybe a little bit loud and maybe the

722
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: inflection's got to be there. Channel you Andrew, look Daniel

723
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: Jones and make sure the receivers can hear what's going on.

724
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: How about that you're Cam Newton Cadence. That's why maybe

725
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: my all time favorite Cadences. You mentioned Judkins, who goes

726
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: for one hundred and ten yards in this game. They

727
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: have found one of the better starting running backs in

728
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: the league, at least in terms of just a pure

729
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: runner patient's power.

730
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 2: He has got everything. It was a joy to watch him.

731
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: And before we take our break, we should give a

732
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: little love to Justin Jefferson, who came over here became

733
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: the all time leading receiver in international game history if

734
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: you add them all up. This was our fortieth game

735
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: in London, and for these two weeks in Dublin and London,

736
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: he goes seventeen catches two hundred and forty nine yards

737
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: and would have had even more today if a great

738
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: play down the field by Carson Wentz didn't get called back,

739
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: but he ends up making a trademark leaping catch in

740
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: that game winning drive.

741
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, just absolutely unreal at the catch point time and

742
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 4: time again, going out with Greg Newsom, going up against

743
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 4: dens Award, he just absolutely bullied them, Like you just

744
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: there's something special about seeing greatness when it's in person,

745
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 4: and you just every time I've been able to watch him,

746
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 4: and it's been three or four times over the last

747
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: three or four years, we've been able to have Jefferson over.

748
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 4: They always sell the superstars coming right. It's always a

749
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: big part of these international games. They're the ones that

750
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: you slap on the poster, They're the ones you make

751
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: a big deal out of, and Jefferson just delivers time

752
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 4: and time again. I mean, I have to say that

753
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: catch over the middle that got called back. Greg's call

754
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: on that was unbelievable and it's just gonna just go

755
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 4: out into the ether and never be heard again because

756
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: it didn't count.

757
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: And I was devastated for I have no recollection of

758
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: whatever that car was, but I'm going to trust that

759
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: that's true. People, could, you know, go back and check

760
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: it out if they really wanted to do on the

761
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: tok sport feed. Yes, Jefferson, everything you just said was

762
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: said with even a better source by Harrison Smith in

763
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: the locker room. I talked to him for Sky a

764
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: little bit, and he just said, I've just never been

765
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: around a superstar like that who just delivers on being

766
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: a superstar in every way, like in every practice, in

767
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: every game.

768
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: He is just that guy.

769
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: And he said, it is just amazing to have a

770
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: front row seat to watch that every week.

771
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 8: Uh.

772
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: And that's coming from a guy who has a chance

773
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer, like justin Jefferson will

774
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: be one day. All Right, we'll move on from this game.

775
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: We will be back in just a little bit.

776
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 14: Uh.

777
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: In our next block, we're gonna include one.

778
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Speaker 1: Of the most ghastly losses in the history of the NFL.

779
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 15: It is fourth and sixth at the seven. Here's the

780
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 15: snap to Daniels, who throws it up to the back

781
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 15: of the zone.

782
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 13: He's gonna one up in there.

783
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,439
Speaker 6: Jess to Jevo to put.

784
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: Out the Chargers.

785
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels and Yes, Einstein in London, Fletcher getting it

786
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: done on WB I G. Washington goes into Los Angeles,

787
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 1: spots the Chargers ten points and then rips off twenty

788
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 1: seven unanswered to get to three and two. Chargers fall

789
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: to three and two. They've got all sorts of injuries,

790
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 1: but let's start positive. The Commanders coming in and they

791
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: take command.

792
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 4: Look, this game didn't start off as they were hoping

793
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 4: or would have expected that. The Chargers move out into

794
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 4: a ten and o lead, and it came from a

795
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 4: brilliant forty one yard scramble from Justin Herbert on the

796
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: opening drive, where you know, he made Bobby Wagner look.

797
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 3: Very old and very stiff and very slow.

798
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 4: After a good blitz pick up from Mamaron Hampton had

799
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: the touchdown to Lad McConkey, followed by that field goal,

800
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: and right at that point, Jayden Daniels was one of

801
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 4: four in.

802
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: His first five scroll throws.

803
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 4: He had a couple of very wobbly looking scrambles where

804
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 4: he had kind of eight or nine yards to gain,

805
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 4: only went six or seven, went down a little early,

806
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: didn't look quite sure on his feet, and I was

807
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: watching it thinking maybe was he ready to come back

808
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 4: in maybe were this team ready to put it together,

809
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 4: But then he hit Jalen Lane on that third and

810
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 4: sixteen down ten, and it just seemed to bring some

811
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 4: life to him and bring some life to the offense.

812
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 4: And then the Quentin Johnson catch and fumble from the

813
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: Chargers who were driving again just seemed to flip this game.

814
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 4: Washington go on four unanswered scoring drives, Bill Crosskey Merritt

815
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 4: down fifteen yards of space for that outside touchdown run

816
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: with some really nice pulling action going on, and suddenly

817
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 4: by halftime, Jane Daniels goes from one and four to

818
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 4: staff to six of twelve one hundred and twenty two.

819
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 4: In that first half, he has an absolute rope to

820
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,359
Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel for a first down the Jalen Lane throw

821
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 4: like he just it's something clicked midway through that second

822
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: court and he just came to absolute life and it

823
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 4: was wonderful to see.

824
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: And I think it starts with the running game for

825
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: this team, Alie, just off of what you've seen this

826
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: year and in yeah, Bill goes fourteen for one hundred

827
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: and eleven yards in two touchdowns in this game. I

828
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: just am not surprised to see that their design. Run

829
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: success right, not even counting the scrambles was well over

830
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: fifty percent in this game, and I thought that might

831
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 1: be a matchup problem for the Chargers, who last week

832
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: kept letting the Giants run all over them too. And

833
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: the Commanders seem like they have a nice base of

834
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: their offense with their running game.

835
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a brutal matchup for the Charges. They they

836
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: in their run fits, in their run defense, they don't

837
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 2: move an awful lot if you move, and Cliff Kingsby

838
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: is really really intelligent about making sure he can kind

839
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: of move the numbers around to get good angles for everyone.

840
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: A lot of pulls and movers in this game, a

841
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: lot of runs to the primiter the brogue away for

842
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: extra yardis So it was a felt like a bit

843
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: of a schematic mismatch. Just by design. You still have

844
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 2: to go out and make the plays, and the Commanders

845
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: did it. I My main takeaway from the game was

846
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: just the Charges, particularly on offense, everything is so difficult

847
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: for them. I know, it was really fun in the

848
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: opening a few weeks the season watching justin Herbert, but

849
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: the cape on and all the early down throws and say,

850
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 2: you know, kind of channeling it through the vision of

851
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: their evolving in a sense and putting the ball in

852
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: just in Herbert's hands. But the degree of difficulty down

853
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: to down is so high for them. Everything is so

854
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 2: reliant on him making extraordinary throws, having to go and

855
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: crete with his legs, lean the team in rushing again,

856
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: it just feels unsustainable. And I think we've seen it

857
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: now for the two weeks in a row.

858
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 4: Big offensive line issues for this team, losing Joel as well,

859
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 4: Makai Bectam left the game. In game Herbert sacked. There

860
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 4: was that delayed bits that Jordan Maggie had. There was

861
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 4: the Dorence Armstrong forcing the hold which pinned them back

862
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: as they looked like they were going to drive big

863
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 4: twenty nine yard completion to Keenan Allen gets called back

864
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: from an illegal formation when trade Pipkins isn't lined up

865
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 4: on the line of scrimmage. It just time and time again,

866
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 4: they were killing themselves with these mistakes, and just every

867
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: time you thought that Herbert had something going, you just

868
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: find yourself rolling your eyes and falling back in your seat.

869
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 3: And thinking they've managed to do it again.

870
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: And one thing they've lost is the ability to go

871
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 2: to the lad down on the field. That was a

872
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: real go to staple last season. Part of that is

873
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: the offensive line. Part of that is they need him

874
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: to be the kind of underneath security blanket and so

875
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: then just naturally, Quentin Johnson slots into places more of

876
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 2: a downfield threat and Keenan Allen becomes the get out

877
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: of jail free cottack and throw it kind of off

878
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: the field to the sideline. Keenan will go get it

879
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 2: for me. He does. The vets of they've lost some

880
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: of the mc conney explosiveness down the field, particularly in

881
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. He used to puncture right

882
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: through the middle of coverage last season. You get these

883
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: huge explosive plays, and now so much of it is

884
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: underneath and hoping he'll break the three or four tackles

885
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: and go make a playfe Youd. It just feels like

886
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: a real key, easy element of the offense has gone.

887
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: So Herbert sacked five times in this game, and when

888
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: he was able to throw the ball under pressure, to

889
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: your point of everything being so hard, he ends up

890
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 1: with twenty four yards on eight attempts. So their offensive line,

891
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: I think alt injury kind of put it past the

892
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: point where they can survive at all against a halfway

893
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: decent defense. They're they're lucky to get Miami on the

894
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: schedule next, because I do feel like this section of

895
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: the season without Art is going to be very difficult.

896
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: They have Austin decaleis starting at tackle right now, and

897
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: he had.

898
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: A horrible penalty in this game as well. Like they're

899
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: just killing themselves time and time again.

900
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: Trey Pimpkins.

901
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: Pipkins had an illegal formation penalty that killed a thirty

902
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 1: one yard game. And then I thought the sequence where

903
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Lad McConkey appeared to have a punt return touchdown that's

904
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: called back by a penalty, and then Washington goes on

905
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: a scoring Honestly, go and.

906
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 4: Watch this play because it is the best play you'll

907
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 4: see all season. That doesn't count. Lad McConkey hurdles two

908
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 4: different players in the same punt return, including the punter,

909
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: only to have Marlo Wax called for running into Tressway

910
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 4: in the back of the end zone.

911
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: Is if you've not actually seen it, if.

912
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 4: You've only heard about it, if you've only seen it

913
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 4: on the on the play by play, or on the

914
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 4: score sheet, it is so worth watching because it just

915
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 4: shows you exactly what oll he talks about. Lad McConkie

916
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: is so explosive, so brilliant, the ball in his hands,

917
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: given a little bit of space on Jed that was

918
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 4: That was a devastating play and he and he.

919
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Only ends up with five catches for thirty nine yards,

920
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 1: gets the early short touchdown, but but no plays down

921
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: the field. The game really ended with Herbert and the

922
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: Chargers on the doorstep trying to cut the lead from

923
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: twenty to ten to twenty to seventeen. But he's a

924
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: little too hot on his first down throw. They lose

925
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: three yards from the one yard line with Camani Videll

926
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: and that sets up the Chargers on a third down play.

927
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 15: They had first and goal with the one. Here's the

928
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 15: snap to Herbert Washington breakspord throw that was tip at.

929
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 16: The one yard line. What a pick by Cristell and

930
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 16: a stop on the doll line. Mikey Sadra still just

931
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 16: play justin Harbert like a puppet. He ran this exactly.

932
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 16: He knew exactly what rob he was gonna get shots

933
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 16: in front of that play and interceptis play, Mike. The

934
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 16: oldest pot is what we gonna call it.

935
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: That's the energy we need out of you.

936
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 7: Ali.

937
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 4: I thought that was harsh from London Fletcher, by the way,

938
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 4: because clearly Johnny Newton tips the ball of a light

939
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: of scrimmage and that's why, Mike. But it was a

940
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 4: case of there was the drive just before that where

941
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 4: they got to the fourth and two and then he

942
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: just pinged the ball off Tyler Conkin's face mask when

943
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 4: it could have been a completion into Washington territory. And

944
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 4: then that was a really great drive that just died

945
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: in the red zone, and just I think, you know,

946
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: we can't really do better than Oli did earlier. It

947
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: just everything was tough for them in that from quarter

948
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 4: to two onwards basically.

949
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say this is like a rejuvenation of

950
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: the Commander's defense. I still think they got some pretty

951
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: severe structural flaws.

952
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: Okay, but they've been better this year, and maybe better

953
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: is average, But seeing what they've done so far this season,

954
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: don't you think they've been kind of up and down

955
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 1: in a way that there's more up maybe than before.

956
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: I think they have some pretty serious issues when they're

957
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: in man coverage. They have two sinkholes on the field

958
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 2: in Wagner, who I love, but in space. It's a

959
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: problem on Lotimore is an absolute disaster at this stage

960
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: of his career, and in zoone. They've had more busts

961
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 2: than any team in the league this season, leading to

962
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: explosive place So they're still in this kind of push

963
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: pull tension to mind, but they are vicious. They fly

964
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: to the ball. I do think they'll create a bunch

965
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: of turnovers down the street. I think they're better.

966
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: I think the Washington Commanders are just putting together a

967
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: squad where I don't know what they're going to be

968
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: like exactly, but I have a little even though I

969
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: know they made the NFC Championship Game a year ago,

970
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: I think they have a chance, just off what we've

971
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: seen that to be better because I think they're not

972
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: playing at their very best done offense.

973
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 4: I have serious doubts about their mobility on the defensive

974
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: side of the ball. And you know, Bobby Wagoner rof

975
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 4: seems we've talked about a few times, is the kind

976
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 4: of statesman, the elder statesman of that just the last

977
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 4: couple of things to mention this game. Amarin Hampton left

978
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 4: the locker room with a boot on his left foot

979
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 4: after going out of the game. Later on and we

980
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 4: wait for an update on that injury, but that could

981
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: be a tough one for them. And just to mention

982
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 4: the final drive because it kind of gets forgotten about

983
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 4: because the game was almost killed off by the inception.

984
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: But they go thirteen plays ninety nine yards eat six

985
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 4: and a half minutes off the clock. There are two

986
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 4: big scramble plays for a combined twenty yards from Jade

987
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 4: and Daniels.

988
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 3: They kept bringing Trent.

989
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 4: Scott as a six lineman on that drive as well,

990
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 4: went heavy upfront and I just ground the charges out

991
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 4: And as much as I'm kind of talking out both

992
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 4: sides of my mouth here by saying I am concerned

993
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 4: about the defensive side of the ball, that for me

994
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 4: was their best drive of the whole game, because it's

995
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: just so winning in a different way, winning with that

996
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 4: run game that you talked about, and just burying the

997
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,439
Speaker 4: Chargers when they had the change.

998
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: They're winning games without Terry McLaurin with Deebo Samuel as

999
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: the centerpiece receiver and he goes eight for ninety six today.

1000
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: One big play from Luke McCaffrey every week, which is.

1001
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Better than no.

1002
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: They were a game here and making it work, whether

1003
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: it's Mariota or Jaden Daniel, So I just give them

1004
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: some credit for managing what could have been a pretty

1005
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: difficult start to the season. They're at three and two,

1006
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: so are the Chargers. The Indianapolis Colts, they're even better.

1007
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 2: Out of the gun, Goes Jones, sweeping left.

1008
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 17: Taylor cuts back at the five into the end zone.

1009
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 13: He dances in again.

1010
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 18: Three of them today, three touchdowns for Jonathan Taylor. The

1011
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 18: Kenfetti flies, the horn sounds, and Lucas Loyle Stadium is

1012
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 18: full of jubilation. The Colts now lead thirty eight to three.

1013
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 18: Three touchdowns today for Jonathan Taylor.

1014
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: Oh and you know that Shane Steichen had an eye

1015
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: on the scoreboard. He wanted the forty burger, so he

1016
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: went for the two point conversion. The Indianapolis Colts get

1017
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: to four and one. They win forty to six over

1018
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: the Las Vegas Raiders. That was Matt Taylor on w

1019
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: F and I he's becoming a bigger part of this season,

1020
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: ali at least on our show, because the Colts are

1021
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: box office every week. And I thought this was an

1022
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: interesting little checkpoint for their team, a team that they

1023
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: should be pretty easily at home and they do it

1024
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: with style.

1025
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we talked about for Justin Herbert, everything feels

1026
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: difficult for the Colts and offense. Everything just feels like

1027
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 2: an easy button over and over again. The first drive

1028
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: they pun on the first drive of the game, they

1029
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 2: pun on the last drive of the game. Every series

1030
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: in between they score a touchdown and it feels like

1031
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: easy work. And in this game, Greg, you mentioned going

1032
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: for two there to put the forty burger up. They

1033
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: lost their kicker. They were forced into you've got it,

1034
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: there's no field goals on the table. That the punter

1035
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: wasn't able to kick for them. He couldn't even kick

1036
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: the kickoff. They got a flag for the first kickoff

1037
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: he had to take, so they had to go for

1038
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 2: two on every play they were they didn't. They were

1039
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: never in field goal range to be able to actually

1040
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 2: kick the field goal. And it just felt so effortless

1041
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: for them, driving up and down the field. And that

1042
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: you mentioned them waxing a team. This is what they

1043
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 2: just do now is they are playing all these poor

1044
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: teams and crushing them.

1045
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: And the Raiders fall to one and four and it

1046
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: just raises a larger point, which now is as good

1047
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: a time any I was counting it. We have ten

1048
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: teams I believe at one win or less. Jets have

1049
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: not won a game that does not include the Carolina Panthers,

1050
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: you know, who feel a little bit like a dead team.

1051
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: And I don't think every one in four team is dead.

1052
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: I believe it's eight teams that are at one and

1053
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: four and then another couple at two and three that

1054
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: are looking like a struggle.

1055
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: But I don't like that for the show. Ali.

1056
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: That's what I think about first, that it does feel

1057
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: like there's a large group of teams already that if

1058
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: you're not crossing them out, like you're getting pretty close.

1059
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: And Gino Smith and the Raiders have now had three

1060
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: games this year where they just have not looked like

1061
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: they're in the class of the other team on the field.

1062
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this one I think is particularly painful because

1063
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,359
Speaker 2: the cults of being a sensation, a surprise sensation really

1064
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: to open the season. We at least though over the

1065
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 2: course the season the raid is off would be frisky.

1066
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 2: It would keep them in games. They will be able

1067
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: to put up points. And I know they didn't have

1068
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,479
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer and they didn't have Brock Bawers in this game,

1069
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: but again everything felt like hard work for them. They

1070
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 2: cannot protect Gino. Gino is making some really sloppy kind

1071
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 2: of I give up decisions and it's going to throw

1072
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: it into space because what else am I going to

1073
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: try and do with this thing? Another two picks in

1074
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 2: this game, another one that they are too la to

1075
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 2: Luanna Arumo still cooking out there for the Colts defense.

1076
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: The second interception is just a shallow throw into double coverage,

1077
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: which is truly like a I don't know what I'm

1078
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: supposed to do. I don't really know what's going on here,

1079
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: and I was going to throw the ball and hope

1080
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 2: for the best. And that's just not the Geno that

1081
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:35,800
Speaker 2: we've seen.

1082
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 4: Look, no brock Bowers and no Michael Mayers to to

1083
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: kind of cavey at that slightly. But Ollie and I

1084
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: did sit and have a conversation in the in the

1085
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 4: talkSPORT green room, Greg, and we wondered if an intervention

1086
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: was required because we're both Gino Smith fans, we both

1087
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 4: love Gino, but is there a conversation This is working though?

1088
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 4: I think for you, Greg, do we need to start

1089
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: talking about Geno being potentially taken off the field for

1090
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 4: the Las Vegas Raiders.

1091
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if he continues to have games like this

1092
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: and that's two in a row essentially, and look the

1093
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: rest of the game, you can tell me more like

1094
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: they move the ball, but it seems like everything's tough

1095
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah, I think if you throw huge groaning,

1096
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: what is he thinking interceptions week after week? That's three

1097
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 1: out of his five games that have been disasters. I

1098
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: would say, the three worst starts he's had since he

1099
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: took over in Seattle. Then yeah, you're going year. That's

1100
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: going to become a conversation.

1101
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 4: We're in a very bizarre situation where I think everyone

1102
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 4: in this room sat and went, what is Seattle doing?

1103
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: Why are they getting rid of him? Why are they

1104
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: moving Sam Donald?

1105
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 4: The Seattle offense looks like one of the best in

1106
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 4: the NFL, and unfortunately it's not working at the Raiders.

1107
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot of humble pie being

1108
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 4: there across the media landscape at the moment.

1109
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 2: And I think this, as I said, will be the

1110
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: most disappointed one of them all. They open this game,

1111
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: it's a pretty surgical drive, really well designed opening game script.

1112
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: Given that they don't have the two tight ends they

1113
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: start splitting Ashton genty, I create some formational mismatch for

1114
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 2: the calls, they can spring a big shot play to

1115
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 2: gentically start working some creative stuff off that. Then they

1116
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 2: just give up a huge sack in the red zone,

1117
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: the fourth kick a field goal, and from there it

1118
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: just was really discombobulated. They are such a up and

1119
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: down offense series to series. It looked to begin with

1120
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: like we were gonna get maybe the offense from the

1121
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: New England day, but for the most part it is

1122
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: they are always in third and long always and Gino

1123
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: you mentioned if he's giving up the bad turnovers, These

1124
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: are not down the field rockets fifty to fifty, he

1125
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: gets picked off or misread a rotation and he shouldn't

1126
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: have made the throw. These are pretty lazy decision making things.

1127
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: I got the bag, I got paid. I go from

1128
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 2: primary to second to check down, and I'll just let

1129
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: it go because I'm gonna let it go on. We

1130
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 2: stink anyway. That's why it feels to me.

1131
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 4: At the same time, I'm not buying the Kenny Pickett

1132
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 4: is the answer to any question that I would want

1133
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 4: to ask now.

1134
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 2: I think the marriage with him and Chip Kelly, which

1135
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 2: on paper was kind of like my football no dream,

1136
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 2: I mean love being for Chip to get back in

1137
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: the league with the new style of offense. He was

1138
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: running at UCLA the Ohio State for years and years.

1139
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: You see it come back to league with Gino and

1140
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: it just feels like a complete misfit.

1141
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: Aiden O'Connell is on this roster. He broke his wrist

1142
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: and won't be back for another month. I do not

1143
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: think they're going to want to look at Kenny Pickett.

1144
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: But it's dark early that we're even talking about that.

1145
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: And you talked about like working easy or hard. That

1146
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: first drive you mentioned it took the Raiders sixteen plays

1147
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: in almost ten minutes to kick a field goal. And

1148
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: then maybe the saddest drive of the entire week, the

1149
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: Raiders ended this game with a thirteen play, six minute,

1150
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: forty five second drive that I believe ended on the

1151
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 1: twenty three yard line. They did not reach the red zone,

1152
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: but they ran out the clock on themselves because they

1153
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: could not advance the ball any faster. Before we leave,

1154
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: because we spent too much time on the Raiders and

1155
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,280
Speaker 1: we should be talking about the team that is leading

1156
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: the AFC South at.

1157
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: Four and one.

1158
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: Ali I'm just curious, like from this game and maybe

1159
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 1: zooming out a little bit, what this game tells us

1160
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,479
Speaker 1: about the courts, Like what's been the most intriguing part

1161
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: for you.

1162
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: I think the intriguing part to me is what they're

1163
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: doing defensively.

1164
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 4: You know.

1165
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: I am a huge fan, probably the founder member of

1166
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: the lou Anarumo Fang Club, and actually thought I wrote

1167
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: a big piece about Low on Friday that under the hood,

1168
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: the figures were not that pretty for the Lewis Sons

1169
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 2: and he was kind of getting some credit for how

1170
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: good the offense has been. And I think that was

1171
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: still kind of true in this game. But what he

1172
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,439
Speaker 2: does do every single week is the three or four

1173
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: things no one else is trying, and it always creates carnage.

1174
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 2: And he's always been the best game plan coach in

1175
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 2: the league. I think that's why he's so effective in

1176
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 2: the postseason. And when you try and outthink all the

1177
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 2: great ones throughout a regular season, unless you have overwhelming talent,

1178
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: you can become unstug But every week he's getting to

1179
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: some stuff that is just flummixing even the best guys

1180
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 2: in the league. And so if they can sneak into

1181
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: the postseason and they get what I believe is over

1182
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: than Spags. The best single game my life is on

1183
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: the line. Give me a DC to drop a game

1184
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: plan against a great one. I think it's loot now.

1185
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: Would maybe park him, you know, in the side house

1186
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 2: for the regular season, but he's navigating through it right now.

1187
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 2: We get another lya tu La to pick dropping into coverage,

1188
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: another drop eight in the red zone, a really really

1189
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: effective game plan, and so I just I think that

1190
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 2: defensively they will not be efficient. They will have one

1191
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,879
Speaker 2: game because it's all over the film where they get

1192
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 2: cracked for forty themselves because they're giving up a lot

1193
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 2: of chances. Quarterbacks on't taking advantage. But if they can

1194
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: just eake through to the postseason, I believe in Louke.

1195
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: Forget about eking and sneaking in. They're four and one,

1196
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: they're going for the number one seed.

1197
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: The AFC South is a little more interesting than we expected. Well,

1198
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: we'll hear from the Jaguars on Monday night. And yeah,

1199
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: I started this recap talking about the one and four teams.

1200
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: There's eight one and four teams. It's a tough place

1201
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: to be Ravens. Obviously, you know the best among them

1202
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 1: what we'll get to them in a little bit.

1203
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 2: And then and then there's.

1204
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: Well, at least long term, like hoping for a rebound.

1205
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: And then we have a Panthers two and three team

1206
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: and a Jake Browning two and three teams. So it

1207
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: just feels like it's almost like a third of the

1208
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: league is in a very difficult situation.

1209
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: That could describe another two and three team. Let's let's

1210
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: go to Arizona.

1211
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 10: Here we go, Hawks, snaps it back, sly, lets it

1212
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 10: flyly Hey, Nashville. That sounds like a winner. The Tennessee

1213
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 10: Titans twenty two the Arizona Cardinals twenty one.

1214
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 1: I cannot believe the Arizona Cardinals lost this game.

1215
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: Yes, that's Taylor Zarzor.

1216
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 1: For the first time this season and Dave McGuinness on

1217
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: wg f X the Titans win twenty two to twenty one.

1218
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: Let us count the ways in which the Cardinals blew

1219
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: this game, shall we? I think it has to start

1220
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: with the Amari de Mercado fumble while going in for

1221
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: a touchdown in the fourth quarter, would have been about

1222
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: seventy two yards I believe would have given the Cardinals

1223
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: a twenty eight to six lead, and what happened after

1224
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: that was an all time loss. A I don't want

1225
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: to overreact, but a season changing loss, potentially like a

1226
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: coaching regime changing loss, because the Cardinals have had some

1227
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: rickety moments this season, and how they respond to this

1228
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: we'll be fascinating.

1229
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:56,320
Speaker 2: Yeah you say that. I think for Brian Kella on

1230
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 2: two right, it's like this is a defining win for

1231
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: the Titans. Book completely gagged away from the cod It's

1232
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 2: the most inexplicable loss of the season, is probably gonna

1233
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: be the most inexplicable loss for many, many seasons. Of

1234
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: different ways are able to give this game away to

1235
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it's gone down as the

1236
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: fumbled interception, drop kicked around, touchdown, whatever that was. Okay,

1237
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 2: let's listen to that.

1238
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,919
Speaker 1: So the comeback really starts with de Mercado dropping that ball.

1239
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: It would have been twenty eight to six. It's insane

1240
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: that this continues to happen. It's actually happening more. It

1241
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: is contagious, and they were trying to give lagarious snat.

1242
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: I believe it was some credit on the broadcast for

1243
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: running after but de Mercado just dropped the ball at

1244
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: that point in the game, the Titans offense had done

1245
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing. Then again, the Cardinals offense didn't score on

1246
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: their last eight drives. Kyler Murray took a third down

1247
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: snap off the helmet that he wasn't ready for and

1248
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: then left the game with an injury. After that play,

1249
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: I was wondering, did the ball hitting him in the

1250
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: helmet injure him. No, it was a foot injury and

1251
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: he returned after missing a couple of plays. But that

1252
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: crazy play that you mentioned came on cam Ward driving

1253
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: down nine with.

1254
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 2: Under five minutes left in the game.

1255
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 14: Receivers to each side of the pattern. Cam takes a

1256
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,720
Speaker 14: shotgun snout surveys. He's in trouble. He's trying to get

1257
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 14: out of there. He breaks the tackle, throws and it's intercepted.

1258
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 14: Intercepted down at the five.

1259
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 10: Now the ball is being fumbled around the Titan, dumping

1260
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 10: it in the inZone.

1261
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 2: Shut down into the inZone.

1262
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 10: That's a touchdown. That is a Titan touchdown. Cam Ward

1263
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 10: through an interception, then it was fumbled. He was recovered

1264
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 10: by locking in the inZone.

1265
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 4: As a guy who doesn't play by play today, what's

1266
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 4: a difficult play to cool? And he got away with it,

1267
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: because I don't know how I would have done that.

1268
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 4: It was so bizarre, so wild. It was kicked this

1269
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 4: way then that ended up in the end zone falling

1270
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 4: upon by a Titan. Just yeah, it's one of those

1271
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 4: you kind of have to see. It's very difficult to describe.

1272
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: So fair play to them for managing to get through it.

1273
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: Well, the Cardinals after they intercepted it. And you feel

1274
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: for Taylor Demerson there because there were many moments in

1275
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: this game where if he just falls down there and

1276
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: doesn't fumble it, the game is over, just like the

1277
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: De Mercado lost. But then what is going to kill

1278
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: them watching it in film review is three different Cardinals

1279
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 1: like jump at the ball at the same time and

1280
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: it bounces around and it bounces off one of their legs.

1281
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: And then Tyler Lockett, who had to drop earlier in

1282
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: this game, finally makes a play for the Tennessee Titans, and.

1283
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: The Titans, dude is a credit for having got that

1284
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 2: good fortune. The final drive from cam Ward was absolute nails,

1285
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: And I just believe if I was a Titans and

1286
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: I would go absolutely gaga the cam Ward. I think

1287
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 2: the operation around him, the coaching staff everyone will probably

1288
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: be gone by the end of the season. They will

1289
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: get found out. They were pretty incombatant through much of

1290
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 2: this game, even in situational stuff as they tried to

1291
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: mount the comeback. I thought cal And called it pretty poorly.

1292
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 2: But Ward's ability to play when it's no huddle, when

1293
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: he can see the defense, when he can take in

1294
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 2: all the information, he operates supremely quickly. And we all

1295
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 2: kind of see the crazy throws where he's running around

1296
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 2: and sometimes he makes mistakes doing that stuff. When he

1297
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: can just play in rhythm, in structure, he is light

1298
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: years ahead of where I ever thought he would be

1299
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 2: at the stage in his development.

1300
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: That last drive you mentioned was awesome, and the fourth

1301
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: quarter in general was awesome. Out of cam Ward. He

1302
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: suddenly got protected better. I mean, this game had a

1303
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: nine drive sequence for the Titans, which totaled three points

1304
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: and was well under one hundred yards the only points

1305
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: that they got, or because they recovered the ball on it,

1306
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: or they had a long kick return rather by Jamari

1307
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: dk and they had a one yard drive that ends

1308
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: up with a field goal. But then suddenly he throws

1309
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: one of the best throws of the week over the

1310
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: middle to Calvin Ridley and then on the very next

1311
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: snap has a dime down the sideline and gunner Helm

1312
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 1: makes a really good play for him. He had some

1313
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: nice throws to a Iomnor into a con Quo, and

1314
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: he was incredible throughout the fourth quarter of that game.

1315
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: So he did throw that interception and got lucky. But

1316
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: their best three drives by far in the game were

1317
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: the last three drives. And he gets the ball back

1318
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: with a minute in fifty three. And this is the

1319
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: most unforgivable part to me of this entire drive, of

1320
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: the entire collapse. Jonathan Gannon, with a lead just you know,

1321
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: just by under a field goal, decides to run it

1322
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: three straight times. He runs it on first and ten,

1323
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 1: he runs it on second nine, and then he does

1324
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: not trust Kyler Murray anymore and he just runs it

1325
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: on third and eight. And it's not like he was

1326
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: doing that to give the Titans thirty seconds left or

1327
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: twenty five seconds left. The Titans had a minute in

1328
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: fifty three only needing a field goal in It was

1329
01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 1: frankly bizarre game management, I thought by Jonathan Gannon. When

1330
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: you have a veteran quarterback, it's insane.

1331
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 4: It's funny because you're saying about how this is the

1332
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 4: most inexplicable loss of the season, and at one point,

1333
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 4: you know, on the old what the NFL equipment of

1334
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 4: win viz for your cricket fans out there, they only

1335
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 4: had a one point eight percent chance of winning this game.

1336
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 4: They were listed at thirty to one on various betting

1337
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 4: websites to win this game. It's not actually the least

1338
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 4: likely win of the season. The Bills Ravens from Week one,

1339
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 4: they were down at sort of zero point eight one point,

1340
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 4: but it was Josh Allen and it was everything that

1341
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 4: comes with the Bills. And it's a very good football

1342
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 4: team you're facing, and it's a banged at Ravens defense.

1343
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: This is the Tennessee Titans.

1344
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 4: You're going against, who are as under and does any

1345
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 4: team in the NFL in theory who have had game

1346
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 4: management issues of their own.

1347
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: You've got an offense that you've been building over the.

1348
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 4: Last three years that you should be trusting that have

1349
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 4: had some big plays in this game. Marvin Harrison had

1350
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: that big completion down to the one yard line, which

1351
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 4: was probably his best play maybe of his career up

1352
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 4: until this point, certainly of this season. I just couldn't

1353
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 4: understand the Cardinals not they needed just one first down,

1354
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 4: one first down ice that game, and they wouldn't couldn't

1355
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 4: go and get it, but didn't even really try to

1356
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 4: go and get it.

1357
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm with you, Greg, it's really telling when

1358
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 2: it's not crunching time and you've got a franchise quarterback

1359
01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 2: paid that kind of money to not put the ball

1360
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 2: in his hands tells us everything. I think we saw

1361
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: it in the London game too with Dylan Gebel. But

1362
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 2: that's a rookie right way. If you're going to go

1363
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: with the three run sequence or a two run then pass,

1364
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 2: you want to start the pass some kind of boot

1365
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: action on the first down to figure out where you

1366
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 2: are right and to not have Calum Mary unless there's

1367
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: something with the foot, and the foot is worse than

1368
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,480
Speaker 2: we know where they couldn't roll him out or do

1369
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 2: something with him. But he was in the lineup. There's

1370
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 2: no reason why he couldn't get in the gun on

1371
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 2: one of those plays and give him a chance to

1372
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: spray the ball around and go and win the game

1373
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 2: for you.

1374
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: And that fumble that I mentioned where it bounces off

1375
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: Kyler's face because he's not ready. He thinks the play

1376
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: is going to be called dead because part of his

1377
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: line starts moving before the snap.

1378
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 2: Then they snap it anyways. Yeah, they were trying to

1379
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 2: adjust the protection to his right. They did a hand

1380
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 2: signal because Kyler again not trust it doesn't get titless protections.

1381
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 2: So we're seeing aful build up for franchise school with

1382
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: the back kid. They tried to adjust the protection to

1383
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: slide his right. As they bought the signal for the adjustment,

1384
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: they stuffed the ball into his face. It's just unbelievable.

1385
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: That was actually to correct myself at the beginning of

1386
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: the third quarter and then de Marcus.

1387
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 2: In a game. By the way, the Cardinals knew the

1388
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: Titans snapcount. I cannot tell you how Polly coached the

1389
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 2: football team. This Titan's offense is. It is an embarrassment

1390
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: to football. They have a silent snapcount. They call it

1391
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: the same twice in a row. The Cardinals jumped the snapcot,

1392
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: they call it a third time in a row, the

1393
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: exact same sequencing. On a soilent snapgun. They leave Baron

1394
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: Browning unblocked off the edge to crush com Wold. That's

1395
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: what you'll going up against when you have that kind

1396
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 2: of inexplicable collapse and that play you mentioned like they

1397
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: had six blockers in for four pass rushers and he

1398
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: wasn't at still whatsoever. Like Callahan was going out on

1399
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: the field in this game and like fire it everyone

1400
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 2: up and saying like like after that Tyler Lockett touchdown,

1401
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: he acted like they just won the Super Bowl on

1402
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 2: the luckiest play ever. Meanwhile, he fails the down nine test,

1403
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 2: where you know the analytics will say that you go

1404
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: for two, so that way you know if you need

1405
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 2: the two earlier then not.

1406
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: He decides not to. And what does Joey Sly's kicker do.

1407
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: He misses the extra point anyways, and it doesn't matter.

1408
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: Some days are just your days. And uh, look, it

1409
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: is great to see a team like the Titans get

1410
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,040
Speaker 1: off this night. And I gotta say, I don't think

1411
01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 1: the Cardinals deserve to be three and two, but man,

1412
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: this one is gonna sting for a while. That's what

1413
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: all the Bengals games have been like lately. Let's go

1414
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: to Cincinnati, stick a wild chat.

1415
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 15: David Montgomery takes the direct snap, He's gonna.

1416
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 2: Quote to themselves touchdown. Detroit Lions block right, who.

1417
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 18: Block right, David Montgomery back in his hometown of Cincinnati

1418
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 18: with a touchdown pass.

1419
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh, that's Dan Miller and Lomas Brown with the who

1420
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: on w x y T. They brought out the good

1421
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: stuff for David Montgomery near the goal line. He throws

1422
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: a touchdown pass later adds one on the ground, returning

1423
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: home to Cincinnati. Lions win thirty seven to twenty four

1424
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: in a game that flatter is Jake Browning in terms

1425
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: of the final score. I watched this game closely and

1426
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 1: for so long it was one of the worst quarterback

1427
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: performances of the season. Eventually, Jake Browning gets it going

1428
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: and really helps out the fantasy owners for Te Higgins

1429
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase. But ultimately the Lions were unbothered in

1430
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: this game. And I was thinking about, you know what

1431
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 1: you said Ali on our podcast that they went up

1432
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: Saturday about the biggest surprises of the season, And I

1433
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:22,919
Speaker 1: know it was Jake Browning for most of this game,

1434
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: But watching the Lions just play ferociously on that side

1435
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: of the ball and really control the game in a

1436
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:34,200
Speaker 1: game that the offense for the second straight week, really

1437
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't do that much for most of it. It's just

1438
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: showing that this team is extraordinarily balanced right now.

1439
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think defensively then maybe down the line

1440
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 2: when we get to playoff times. Some concerns about this

1441
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,880
Speaker 2: wholesale shift in philosophy where they're really pressure based now

1442
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 2: they're trying to be more creative. I think a lot

1443
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: of it is manufacturing production. Once you get against a

1444
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 2: really good team, that could be an issue. But they're

1445
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: all over the Bengals today. You know Browning is having

1446
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: a bad day when three separate times there were throws

1447
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: and the announced the saying that must have been tipped

1448
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: at the line of scrimmage and they go to the

1449
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: replay and there is no tip insight.

1450
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: We actually have one of those plays. I present to

1451
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: you our latest worst throw of the year.

1452
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 17: Now, Spangles hit their own six Browning weights at the

1453
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 17: one he'll drop back into the end zone. Jake steps

1454
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,519
Speaker 17: into a deep ball, floating it high into the air,

1455
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 17: an easy interception for the Lions at the forty five

1456
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 17: yard line, picked off by Kirby Joseph, who led the

1457
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 17: NFL in interceptions a year ago with nine And that

1458
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 17: was like a pop fly into his hands.

1459
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, I almost fair catch that bad boy. I mean

1460
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 8: it's like, you know, that thing was just hanging in

1461
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 8: the air candalizingly for him, and he did not miss

1462
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 8: out of the opportunity to make a play.

1463
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 2: Oh great job there by Dan Horde and Dave lap

1464
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 2: On w c K.

1465
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: Why yeah, that wrapped up what I thought was one

1466
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: of the roughest three play sequences I've ever seen, where

1467
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 1: Browning took a safety or what appeared to be a

1468
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 1: safety where he held the ball too long but he

1469
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: got bailed out by a penalty, then rolled to his right,

1470
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: I believe, and tried to make a throw that like

1471
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: peek Patrick Mahomes probably shouldn't attempt, that should have been intercepted,

1472
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: and then that was followed up by the Kirby Joseph interception. Ultimately,

1473
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 1: I do like having the teams will that you can

1474
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: just trust on a week to week basis. We know

1475
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: who these Lions are and they're four.

1476
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 3: And one and on the defensive side of the ball.

1477
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 4: Aiden Hutchinson had an absolutely sensational game today. Eight pressures,

1478
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 4: which is just one few of the entire Bengals pass

1479
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 4: rush put together. I just thought that it could have

1480
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 4: There was only one of his pressures converted into a sack,

1481
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 4: the one in which he stripped Jack Browning to blow

1482
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 4: up that fleet flick. Outside of that, like, I think

1483
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 4: he probably could have had three or four sacks today

1484
01:10:04,479 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 4: based on the way that he was playing and looked there.

1485
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 4: I thought a meek Robinson had a good game. Kirby Joseph,

1486
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 4: as you mentioned already, Alexanderlone getting an interception as well.

1487
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 4: Through three quarters, they looked absolutely lost the sinside bengalson. Yes,

1488
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 4: they put it together late with the garbage time stuff.

1489
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: But Jake Browning two of nine for forty yards and

1490
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 4: three interceptions on downfield passes in the first three quarters,

1491
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 4: and this suddenly went four of four for one hundred

1492
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 4: and twenty nine one hundred and twenty two yards in

1493
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. It kind of feels like the Lions

1494
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 4: took their foot off the gas a little bit.

1495
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: They did, but Kelvin Shepherd still just try and stuff.

1496
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: And I just love this about the Lions. They are

1497
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,559
Speaker 2: completely fearless. They show everything every week. It doesn't matter

1498
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 2: the opponent, doesn't matter if you think it's garbage time.

1499
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 2: They're bringing all their creative goods and whares. They're telling

1500
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: you we've got more in the bag. We're not saving

1501
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: anything for the good people. We're going to throw everything

1502
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: we've got at you.

1503
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 4: But didn't you think that was a little bit of

1504
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 4: an issue with the day of Montgomery. I know it

1505
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 4: was in his hometown and everything else, But sometimes save

1506
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:01,919
Speaker 4: the good stuff for the good teams you're facing.

1507
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:03,799
Speaker 3: Don't throw it away against the Bengals.

1508
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes the good supposed to have a team have it

1509
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 2: in the mind that you might do something like that.

1510
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: Then you can just slum the bulls down that throat

1511
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: with David Montgomery when you face the good teams.

1512
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 1: And there was a blown coverage in that fourth quarter

1513
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: garbage time, but there was also one of the best

1514
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: throws and catches of the year by Jake Browning and

1515
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:25,439
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, Like he kept going for those insane throws

1516
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,840
Speaker 1: and he hit on one which he showed a couple

1517
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: of years ago that he can do. Maybe they'll come

1518
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: out of this with a little more confidence offensively. I

1519
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: don't know if there's much to draw from it there

1520
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: two and three, And you mentioned, yeah, David Montgomery returning

1521
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: home to Cincinnati, and they told the story on the

1522
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: broadcast of his sister who was paralyzed and was able

1523
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: to watch the game for the first time because it

1524
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: was near home at the Cincinnati So look, that was

1525
01:11:56,200 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 1: a good story and I feel better at least for

1526
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: the crowd there because I knew Nick Westling's lovely wife,

1527
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 1: Stephanie was there and she had texted him during the

1528
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: game that she would rather be home doing laundry than

1529
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 1: watching this Bengals team. Let's take a quick break and

1530
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: we will be back in just a day.

1531
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,200
Speaker 19: First out of side to twenty seven, Blake Fisher checks

1532
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 19: here the extra O lineman c J. Hans Hof to

1533
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 19: Chubb through a sea blite side hat to twenty the

1534
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 19: fifteenth ten five Chubb rock and roll touchdown Houston, Nick

1535
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:40,799
Speaker 19: Chubb to the house.

1536
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: Oh, that Baltimore Ravens defense is the here that really

1537
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 1: heals all offensive struggles. Houston goes into Baltimore and wins

1538
01:12:52,240 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: forty four to ten.

1539
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 2: That was Nick Chubb. That was Mark vandermir on Kilt.

1540
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 1: It was tough to pick a highlight Ali because the

1541
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: Texans had a lot of him in this game.

1542
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a boat race. The Ravens just couldn't

1543
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 2: get any pressure on CJ. Stroud. When you take all

1544
01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: the players out of the Ravens lineup, all the different

1545
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: injuries on the back end, you end up with nothing

1546
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 2: creative up from nothing creative on the back end and

1547
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: c J Stroud essentially unbothered in the pocket. He was

1548
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: pressured on thirty percent of his drop backs, which for CJ.

1549
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 2: Stroud feels like zero. That's actually a pretty decent pressure

1550
01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,720
Speaker 2: in some other games with CJ Stroud it's nothing. And

1551
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 2: he completed seventeen of twenty passes four hundred and seventy

1552
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,680
Speaker 2: nine yards and all four of the touchdown throws when

1553
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,400
Speaker 2: he wasn't pressured. So when he gets some time he

1554
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 2: can cook people up. Yeah, a shot to Nico Collins.

1555
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 2: Christian Kirk ends up leading the team and receiving four

1556
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: catches for sixty four yards. He had CJ.

1557
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: Stroud did a sixty eight percent success rate, which is

1558
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: extremely high, and it just makes the Ravens defense right

1559
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: now feel like maybe the easiest matchup in the league.

1560
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: It was almost a childlike game plan from the Texans.

1561
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 2: They've kind of drastically changed their offense the past two weeks.

1562
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,880
Speaker 2: Almost every first down was we are throwing fast to

1563
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 2: the flat to our right, and then the Ravens would

1564
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: kind of sell everyone out there on second or third

1565
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 2: down and stroudard just rip it into the middle of

1566
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: the field and it was just that on repeat, over

1567
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 2: and over again until you got towards the goal line.

1568
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 2: It was a bit more creativity and some playfakes involved.

1569
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 2: The Ravens just they got no talent, They have no discipline.

1570
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 2: They can barely get lined up at this point, and

1571
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 2: they got a bunch of backups. If you look at

1572
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 2: their pressure figures, the average distance a pass rusher has

1573
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 2: to quarterback in the NFL is four point six yards.

1574
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 2: That's the classic average distance. Two of their starting four

1575
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: pass rushers were six point seven yards away from CJ.

1576
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:46,439
Speaker 2: Stroud and average they may as well be in a

1577
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: different game. It's an uncommon level of not being touched

1578
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: for CJ. Stroud and he just spreaded them.

1579
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 3: You're running away from him. Point yes, is Zach All

1580
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 3: going to be fired this week?

1581
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: He probably should be. They have a real lack of

1582
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 2: internal guys to hand it to. I think that could

1583
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: be a sneaky in house demotion that we don't find

1584
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 2: out about until, like the Jay Glazer report right before

1585
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:13,440
Speaker 2: a game, that he's been shoveled into something else. Pegano's

1586
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,800
Speaker 2: taking on some new responsibilities. But they did this with

1587
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 2: lash Hit. It was the same type of mess to

1588
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:21,360
Speaker 2: open last season. They moved Kyle Hamilton to fix it.

1589
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 2: They brought in DMPs to change that communication system. They've

1590
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: changed it back to the old one. It's a mess again.

1591
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:28,640
Speaker 2: And now they're rolling in all these different players in

1592
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 2: these backups and just don't have the talent anymore.

1593
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: And you say, how they don't have any talent? And

1594
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: I know they've had a lot of injuries, but they

1595
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: do have you know, Van Oi was back for this game.

1596
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: They do have oh way out there. They have Travis

1597
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: Jones back for this game. I actually looked at the

1598
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,759
Speaker 1: injury report and people thought, oh, this is a disaster.

1599
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: How many people and I thought, well, this is actually

1600
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,960
Speaker 1: good news. They got a couple of their players back,

1601
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:55,600
Speaker 1: and yet they are a sieve right now. Do you

1602
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: think based on the final quarter that the Texans put

1603
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: up against the Titans and then this game going into

1604
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,600
Speaker 1: their buy, that at least that can stabilize this organization.

1605
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: They're at two and three now and figure some things out,

1606
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:11,719
Speaker 1: maybe come out of the buy a little healthier.

1607
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have a championship caliber defense. They are

1608
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 2: so loaded at all three levels and that will keep

1609
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 2: them in so many games. And they've over alded the offense.

1610
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 2: This was a two back, downhill power running offense without

1611
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 2: the ability to play with two bags and run the

1612
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 2: ball down people's throats. Now they're a little bit more spread,

1613
01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 2: they've got marks involved. He's a really effective guy out

1614
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Speaker 2: of the backfield catching the balls. They just put you

1615
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 2: more on a natural run pass conflict. Everything feels like

1616
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,600
Speaker 2: there's some more easy buttons in the offense than the was.

1617
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: It felt like they were personally making the game hard

1618
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: for themselves early in the season and now there's just

1619
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 2: more open receivers and targets. Facing two pretty disastrous units as.

1620
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,479
Speaker 1: Helped Derek Henry fifteen runs for thirty three yards in

1621
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:50,040
Speaker 1: this game.

1622
01:16:50,120 --> 01:16:51,799
Speaker 4: It feels like there's been the story of his season.

1623
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: He's had one decent big game. Other than that, there's

1624
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,720
Speaker 4: been a lot of that going on. He didn't have

1625
01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 4: the one yard touchdown run. But I just think from

1626
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 4: a Texan perspective, c J. Stroud, that is going to

1627
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 4: have just lifted them. That is just going to have

1628
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 4: made like such a difference to the way they're going

1629
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 4: to approach because going to the Seahawks against that defense,

1630
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 4: I know they gave up a lot of points today,

1631
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 4: but one of the better scheme defenses in the NFL,

1632
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,559
Speaker 4: one of more talented defenses in the NFL forty nine

1633
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 4: is the week after. Like, these are not easy defenses

1634
01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 4: necessarily to go up against. And I just think Stroud

1635
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 4: he's not been happy in that offense. It hasn't been clicking,

1636
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 4: it's not been coming together. And really since his rookie season,

1637
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 4: we've not seen that confidence, that swagger, that belief that

1638
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 4: he is as good as we know he can be.

1639
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 4: And I just hope this is injecting a bit more

1640
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 4: ventuam because when c J. Stroud's really good, he's really

1641
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 4: good and I love watching him and I want more

1642
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 4: of that.

1643
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: You could see something click in this game because in

1644
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: the first few weeks, even when there was no pressure

1645
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,960
Speaker 2: because it's been so relentless now for two seasons, he

1646
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:50,599
Speaker 2: was feeling it anyway. He wasn't stemming into throws, he

1647
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: was scared, he was moving away from his spot. Really

1648
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 2: early in this game when there was pressure, we got

1649
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 2: to see more of the offscript CD Stroud moving to

1650
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,440
Speaker 2: cree because there is more of a rhythm and flowings

1651
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 2: because he canna sit back there and play point guard

1652
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: and distribute it around without getting his head cleaned off

1653
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 2: every third play when there is Prussia. When that finally arrives,

1654
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: he feels more comfortable moving around and crating because he's

1655
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 2: not just running for his life the entire time.

1656
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: John Harbor did indicate after the game that he does

1657
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: not think making any staff changes is the answer. They

1658
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: have to go to work, they need to stick together,

1659
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: they need to find themselves. He talked about how this

1660
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: week was important. They have the Rams this week. We'll

1661
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: see if Lamar Jackson comes back for that game. Then

1662
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 1: they have their by. It could be a situation where

1663
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 1: they're one in five entering the by. If they were

1664
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 1: going to make any changes, that might be the time

1665
01:18:42,479 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: to make them another team that I hope isn't considering

1666
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,000
Speaker 1: making changes that I was high on in the preseason.

1667
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 1: Very much like the Ravens. Different stratosphere, but still the

1668
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Let's go to the Meadowlands, OI on the.

1669
01:18:58,160 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 20: On the reverse.

1670
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 14: Now here's first fake pitch, go and date, there's a

1671
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 14: shot for Pickens.

1672
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:07,480
Speaker 21: He got pussed he topped the ball to the post touchdown.

1673
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 20: The Pickens is the one on one all night. Shauce

1674
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 20: Gardner on Pickens, and they've stayed away from throwing the

1675
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 20: ball and this time it's a little posts from the

1676
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,640
Speaker 20: left side, and Beck just said I'm gonna throw it

1677
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,559
Speaker 20: down and let you make a play and George Pickens

1678
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 20: did exactly that.

1679
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: Oh, that was a great catch by George Pickens and

1680
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: a call by Brad Sham on k rl D. The

1681
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: Cowboys go into MetLife Stadium and build a thirty to

1682
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: three lead. It was thirty to six entering the fourth quarter.

1683
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: The Jets add some cosmetic touchdowns late, but the Cowboys

1684
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: win thirty seven to twenty two. They are two to

1685
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: two and one and the Jets spoiler alert, are the

1686
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: only team without a win in the n FELL. How

1687
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: did they do it?

1688
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 4: Well, he stole my opening line. They are coming to

1689
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 4: London winless. If you need an injects of energy at

1690
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 4: twenty to three in the morning, just think about Jets

1691
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 4: Broncos next weekend live at the Tottenham hotspurre Stadium on

1692
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:17,920
Speaker 4: talkSPORT too. Look, let's talk the Cowboys offense first before

1693
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 4: we get into the Jets, because as far as the

1694
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 4: Jets concerned, producer Will Varney, our producer here at talkSPORT,

1695
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 4: who's been helping you guys out while you've been over,

1696
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 4: he's a Jets fan. And after he'd finished his shift

1697
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:30,320
Speaker 4: he came and sat with us in the green room

1698
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:33,200
Speaker 4: and he said, I have none, and he pulled out

1699
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 4: a pad of paper that had the scrawlings of a

1700
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 4: madman on it. And yet when he spoke, he made

1701
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 4: more sense than anyone else I've heard at any point

1702
01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 4: during this entire process. So we will get into the Jets,

1703
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 4: but let's start at that Cowboys offense. Four hundred and

1704
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 4: twelve yards of total offense, Dak Prescott, four touchdowns, two

1705
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 4: ninety yard touchdown drives, just the second time since two

1706
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: thousand that they've managed that. In Again, we heard that

1707
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 4: George Pickinson forty three yarder, and I think Brian Schottenheimer

1708
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,240
Speaker 4: is a better play caller as a head coach than

1709
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 4: he ever was as an offensive coordinator.

1710
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: It's a significantly better run game.

1711
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 4: Javonte Williams has a huge game today, including the sixty

1712
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,559
Speaker 4: six yarder which set up the Jake Ferguson touchdown. Are

1713
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 4: just yes, the Jets defense haven't been good this year,

1714
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 4: and yes there were turns, and yes there was not

1715
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 4: a lot.

1716
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 3: To be excited about on the other side of the ball.

1717
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 4: But Dak's going for five hundred and fifty six yards

1718
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 4: and eight touchdowns in the last two games. And this

1719
01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 4: Cowboys offense are what we thought they could be going

1720
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 4: into the season, and that's.

1721
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: Exciting it is. And this was just a really bad

1722
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 2: matchup for the Jets in terms of styles. The way

1723
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:42,880
Speaker 2: the Cowboys are playing football right now, all the heavy personnel,

1724
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: all the pulling and movement in the rung game, running

1725
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 2: it down your throat and then attacking the seams. And

1726
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,639
Speaker 2: what as Aaron Glenn do. He plays with four down,

1727
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: he plays in at tag base front, and he sinks

1728
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 2: to cover two when he panics on the perimeter. This

1729
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: was an abysmal coaching performance. It is just so frustrating

1730
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 2: to watch bad football all over the place, doctrinaire coaches

1731
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 2: refusing to adjust the team they're playing. Dak Prescott has

1732
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 2: been as good as any quarterback in the league so

1733
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,000
Speaker 2: far this season. You are playing a ton of pressman

1734
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 2: coverage as though you are still in Detroit and you

1735
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 2: are no longer in Detroit. You no longer have Aiden

1736
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 2: Hudson up front. You no longer have Branch and the

1737
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 2: guys in the back end to make things right. And

1738
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 2: it's just frustrating to watch this Jets defense. It feels incompetent.

1739
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn before this game called last week the best

1740
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 4: week of practice since he's turned up in New York.

1741
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 4: He was seen with a boxing glove walking around practice

1742
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 4: this week, punching the ball out, trying to talk to

1743
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 4: him about ball security. And yet Brice Hall has a

1744
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 4: horrible fumble in this game. He said after the game,

1745
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 4: the practice has.

1746
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 3: Been damn good. He doubled down on it after the

1747
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 3: game today.

1748
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 4: This is a Jets team who become the first team

1749
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,559
Speaker 4: in NFL history to start zero to five and have

1750
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 4: zero takeaways on defense during that time, thirteen mistackles in

1751
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 4: the first US half alone, those two ninety plus drives,

1752
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 4: the offensive woes, and Olli mentioned something earlier, they are

1753
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 4: sixth in first quarter of success right this season, they

1754
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 4: actually come out with some really good they.

1755
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 1: Remember, well today they had a fifty percent success right.

1756
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: They've been running to find bris Argos for one thirteen.

1757
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 4: He did have their fumble, but after they settled for

1758
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 4: three on the opening driver again again, they don't score

1759
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 4: again until the third quarter. There are brutal sacks left

1760
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 4: right and center of Justin Fields. As she said, bris

1761
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 4: Will negated that ridiculously stop start drive It just time

1762
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 4: and time again they shot themselves in the foot and

1763
01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: it is They are a really tough watch at the moment,

1764
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:37,799
Speaker 4: and it starts with the coaching.

1765
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: I want to hear you talk about SaaS Gardner because

1766
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:43,760
Speaker 1: we had this segment the other night and it was

1767
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: going to be biggest surprises of the twenty twenty five

1768
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 1: season and we didn't get to everything, and you had

1769
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: SaaS Gardner's struggles as one of your surprises, struggles by

1770
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,320
Speaker 1: the way, which sounds like it kept up today at least.

1771
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,719
Speaker 2: On that Pickens play. Yeah, it just looks like really

1772
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 2: poor schematic fit him. You would think in your mind,

1773
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 2: source guard and a press coverage heavy system, that's where

1774
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,600
Speaker 2: he'd be at his best, But just the style and

1775
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,639
Speaker 2: design of how they play it often leads him exposed.

1776
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 2: He is not the greatest communicator on the fly corner

1777
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 2: in the league. He really wants to lock in and

1778
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: play one on one all over the field the way

1779
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn does it, it's a bit more nuanced than that.

1780
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,800
Speaker 2: There's a lot of win win communication on the fly.

1781
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: It looks like press. You pass things off really quickly

1782
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: at the snap, and if you just go through the

1783
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 2: big chunk place he's given up the season, you will

1784
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: see there is a consistent delay at the top of

1785
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,439
Speaker 2: the route where it's like he's confused. Am I supposed

1786
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 2: to let this thing go? Or do I stick with

1787
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 2: the man? You would think you would just say, hey, Sauce,

1788
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: maybe it's one of the best corners in the league.

1789
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: When you're the apex of your powers, We'll just lock

1790
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: you on. We'll do all the fancy stuff with everyone else.

1791
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 2: And I do think that there's a chance that we

1792
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 2: could get a trade with Source during the season.

1793
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: That would be fascinating. Glenn did say after the game

1794
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,280
Speaker 1: that he has confidence in Steve Wilks and will let

1795
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: him do his job. You indicate it to me, Ali

1796
01:24:57,320 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 1: that you think this is very much Aaron Glenn's defense.

1797
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: It is not Steve Wilks's defense. It's a Frankenstein monster

1798
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,480
Speaker 2: of the two in a way that is completely incohesive.

1799
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,640
Speaker 2: This is this is make a call one way, or

1800
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: either you're asking Aaron Glenn to call half his defense

1801
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 2: essentially when it's a true drop back game and Aaron

1802
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: Glenn's defense the rest of the time. Either let him

1803
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,839
Speaker 2: call his defense and build his defense, which is probably

1804
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 2: too late to reinstall and reimagine now, or you take

1805
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 2: over responsibility and call your defense the way you see it.

1806
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: The problem Glenn's got is he is really struggling with

1807
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 2: just the management of the game. So the idea of

1808
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: just being like we brought in you as the defensive guru,

1809
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: which I you know, I'm not so sure was the

1810
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: case necessarily Detroit anyway, But to asking to take that

1811
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: on when he's struggling already with some of the head

1812
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: coach responsibilities, I think will be too much to us.

1813
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: And you know, how you can tell who's a good

1814
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: head coach or who's doing a good head coaching job

1815
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 1: is you start elevating players who hadn't been elevated to

1816
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,639
Speaker 1: that level that we've seen before. Javonte Williams the way

1817
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 1: he's playing Ryan Floornoid goes six, one, fourteen. And then

1818
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting to hear dak Press Scott

1819
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: said he told his four replacement offensive linemen this week.

1820
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:06,720
Speaker 2: Four of them.

1821
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 1: Uh Hey, remember how I once got into the starting lineup, Like,

1822
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: you can get that job and you can stay there.

1823
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna be the case for

1824
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: these Cowboys offensive linemen, but they are doing more with less.

1825
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: They're at two two and one. They're one of the

1826
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: most fun teams in the NFL, despite you know, a

1827
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: pretty rough defense. Let's go to another team that ended

1828
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 1: or entered Sunday without a win.

1829
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 22: First and ten Saints trail fourteen to sixty five, twenty

1830
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:42,519
Speaker 22: seven ball at the thirteen, moving left twin Rattler under

1831
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,080
Speaker 22: center play action, stands.

1832
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 23: In the middle, throws a deep and he's got a

1833
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 23: line open for CC. I'm exposed to play thirty twenty fifteen,

1834
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 23: See you later.

1835
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 10: Five no flags, touchdown Saints eighty seven.

1836
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Y'all, Oh that was my cassa w w L. Yes.

1837
01:27:04,640 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 1: The Saints fell down fourteen to three to the Giants

1838
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:13,680
Speaker 1: and end the game with twenty three straight points. The

1839
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: Saints have a win in the twenty twenty five season,

1840
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 1: and I am relieved, frankly Will Gavin that Spencer Rattler

1841
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: has finally won a game in which he was the

1842
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 1: starting quarterback because he deserved better, and he was the

1843
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:29,440
Speaker 1: better quarterback today against Jackson.

1844
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 4: Dirte seven and fifteen on third downs, he was pressured

1845
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 4: fifty four point eight percent of the time, did not

1846
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:41,599
Speaker 4: take a single sack against a much vaunted giant defensive line.

1847
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 3: I just he he for me and maybe not.

1848
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,120
Speaker 4: Been the biggest surprise because I think he came into

1849
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 4: some really good functional stuff previously. But as a guy

1850
01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 4: who has come in and actually proven he could be

1851
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 4: a starter in this league, at least a long term

1852
01:27:55,560 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 4: option for a team as a backup. Like, I've been

1853
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,639
Speaker 4: really really enjoying what he's putting on film. And actually,

1854
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:06,920
Speaker 4: this whole Saints team there is a talent problem. Is

1855
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 4: there a coaching problem? I don't think so, But like

1856
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 4: I honestly feel like they are not a team who

1857
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 4: looked like they should be one and four. This might

1858
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:15,960
Speaker 4: be their only win of the year based on their

1859
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 4: tole staff. But I think there is a system there.

1860
01:28:18,360 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 4: I think there was a quarterback there. I think there's

1861
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 4: a lot to like about this Saints team, even though

1862
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,519
Speaker 4: they have had their struggles and this.

1863
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:27,559
Speaker 1: You said, it's a deserved win today, I enjoyed it.

1864
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 1: They're always good for one win over the Falcons. They

1865
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: played a bits twice that that's one two. I love

1866
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: the car by Kellen Moore, who's had some curious game

1867
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 1: management moments this year, including the first half of this game.

1868
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 1: But they had a fourth and five up twelve with

1869
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:49,120
Speaker 1: four to twelve to go, we're talking about Jonathan Ginn

1870
01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 1: and not having any faith in Kyler Murray. Kellen Moore

1871
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: was like, just just have a regular drop back and

1872
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: we'll trust you Spencer Rattler, and he completed the first

1873
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: down to burn another couple of minutes off the clock

1874
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 1: before a second Blake Groupie miss of the day. They

1875
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,200
Speaker 1: actually could have won this game by a little more

1876
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: than they did, but ultimately I was really impressed with

1877
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:10,719
Speaker 1: the way they.

1878
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,360
Speaker 2: Responded to the early deficit. Yeah, and I'm interested in

1879
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 2: what you thought of Jackson dab in the second star

1880
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 2: he missed a good up a Jeans felt in a

1881
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:21,800
Speaker 2: flea flicker that Darius Slayton's to tick behind. And we

1882
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:24,040
Speaker 2: talked about Dylan Gabriel and the show where I didn't

1883
01:29:24,040 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 2: feel like the pieces reven moving too quickly for him.

1884
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: I felt in this game in contrast to last week,

1885
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 2: with everything was so in a box and pre defined

1886
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 2: and pre set for him that he didn't really have

1887
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: to deal with any kind of complex deal moving piece

1888
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 2: on the back end. I thought, as Brendan Staley started

1889
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,559
Speaker 2: moving stuff around this week, he looked pretty sped up.

1890
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: The first two drives went perfectly, just like the way

1891
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: last week started for Jackson Darry He was six for

1892
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: six in the first two drives.

1893
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 2: He didn't have to do too much.

1894
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: It was a lot of running and they get up

1895
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: with the two early touchdowns, and then after that it

1896
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 1: was just a lot of hope balls. I was thinking

1897
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,920
Speaker 1: if they were just gonna throw up prayers because they

1898
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,880
Speaker 1: were in man coverage quite a bit in this game,

1899
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 1: and he was just given his receivers chances, but he

1900
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:09,519
Speaker 1: was not accurate. I was thinking, if you're just gonna

1901
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 1: throw moonballs the whole time, like Russell Wilson, might.

1902
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 2: As well be in there. He's better at it.

1903
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: I think Dart finishes four for twelve and passes over

1904
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: ten yards, and his numbers under pressure in this game

1905
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: were also really poor, a couple of interceptions, eight for

1906
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: fifteen for sixty three yards, whereas Rattler made a number

1907
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,559
Speaker 1: of really good plays against pressure.

1908
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 4: I thought the inceptions were a little tough on him.

1909
01:30:34,479 --> 01:30:36,799
Speaker 4: One was on that fourth and sixth, which is essentially

1910
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 4: like an armputt at that point, right, he just had

1911
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 4: nowhere to go with the ball and Bo Collins just

1912
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:44,080
Speaker 4: completely stops his route short. On the second one, like

1913
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 4: they say, Dart's trying to throw with a little bit

1914
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,960
Speaker 4: of anticipation, trying to throw to the man, to the

1915
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:51,080
Speaker 4: way the man's gonna be, and he just stops up

1916
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,240
Speaker 4: on his route. And so I didn't think he was

1917
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:56,080
Speaker 4: as good a performance as the first one.

1918
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 3: Clearly he's a guy with a lot of growth to do.

1919
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:01,720
Speaker 4: But the since make statlone look a lot worse with

1920
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 4: neither of them were completely.

1921
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: His worst throws were incompletions where he just was inaccurate.

1922
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: You mentioned the slate one.

1923
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,639
Speaker 1: There was a couple other deep ones where he really

1924
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: threw to the inside when he should have thrown to

1925
01:31:12,600 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: the outside, or he was late on the throw. He

1926
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: also fumbled on a play where he just dropped the ball.

1927
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere. That was really that was tough.

1928
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: But I do like seeing Shaheed in the big plays

1929
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: and what the heck let's throw in another big play.

1930
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,679
Speaker 1: Let's get the fumble recovery touchdown which put this game

1931
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: out of reach.

1932
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:39,639
Speaker 22: Second and seven Giants now moving towards the end zone.

1933
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 22: Field level Suites snapped the dark inside hand off the

1934
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 22: scatterbou balls loose.

1935
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 10: Says pick it up.

1936
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 23: Let's store down thirty forty, big field forty thirty.

1937
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 10: They're not gonna catch him.

1938
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 23: Say you lay it up by Jordan Helving and touchdown.

1939
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 6: Sights.

1940
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 4: I thought both those young safeties played really well today.

1941
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 4: And it's easy to look at that when they both

1942
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 4: have a fumble recovery Sanka recovering the fumble from the

1943
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 4: Tomorroo Davis one, and then Howden.

1944
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 3: With the scoop and score. But I thought they both

1945
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 3: played well.

1946
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 4: Again, it's part of that thing is like there's just

1947
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 4: those signs of life for the South.

1948
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 2: Oh my name is Jonas Sanker.

1949
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: To break out my Chris bermanism at two forty nine

1950
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 1: in the morning. He has been fantastic, made a lot

1951
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: of good tackles in this game, and that was Brian

1952
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: Bersi with the force fumble on that play to Mario

1953
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Davis had a force fumble earlier in the game and

1954
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,640
Speaker 1: The broadcast noted that to Mario Davis played at the

1955
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:46,639
Speaker 1: same senior ball as Kellen Moore. Still out there getting

1956
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: it done. Congrats Spencer Rattler, the first quarterback drafted by

1957
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 1: the Saints to win a start since Danny Whirfel in

1958
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,519
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight.

1959
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:02,120
Speaker 2: To Carolina, we go, Panthers.

1960
01:33:01,680 --> 01:33:05,240
Speaker 14: Have to call play before the two minut one young

1961
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 14: under center trouble the fullback in the offset eye.

1962
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:10,800
Speaker 13: Here's the snap fake to et Bryce.

1963
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:16,440
Speaker 6: Throws cut by Abbots, cataputs into the absol through a touchdown.

1964
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,400
Speaker 23: It's another hookie, it's special evens and he gives Carolina

1965
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 23: the lead with one fifty nine to go.

1966
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 1: A member of the Miami Dolphins, Bradley Chubb, called this

1967
01:33:28,240 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 1: game a bizarre game. The Carolina Panthers win twenty seven

1968
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:38,360
Speaker 1: to twenty four, despite losing the turnover battle by two,

1969
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:44,720
Speaker 1: despite trailing in the game seventeen to nothing. I don't know,

1970
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 1: Will if there is a single game all season in

1971
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 1: a recap show that I have less clue and what happened?

1972
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, please tell me.

1973
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 4: Let me tell you the Carolina phanph has had that

1974
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:58,200
Speaker 4: seventeen point first off f cit Darren Waller coming back

1975
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 4: another touchdown to this unbelief will comeback tour to put

1976
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 4: them in what seemed like a seeming insurmountable seventeen point lead.

1977
01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 4: At that point, David Canalis's job is being questioned. Left

1978
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 4: right center. Somebody in this very room called for the

1979
01:34:10,920 --> 01:34:12,040
Speaker 4: benching of Bryce Young.

1980
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 2: No, he's correct, false.

1981
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 4: You can delete social media posts later on after posting

1982
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 4: them initially. At one point, he gave up the ball

1983
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 4: twice in three offensive plays. The second drive of the game,

1984
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 4: he sacked by Bradley Chubb fumbles that leads to the

1985
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 4: touchdown drive with a heat hitting Devon ah Chan on

1986
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 4: the ten yarder, and then on the second play of

1987
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 4: the ensuing drive, he was picked off by Minkowitzpatrick while

1988
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 4: targeting Xavier Get and he was having a really rough

1989
01:34:39,160 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 4: day at that point. But late in the second quarter,

1990
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,799
Speaker 4: Bryce Young found Xaviler Get for a seven yard touchdown

1991
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 4: strike cut that league down and then it became the

1992
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 4: Rico Dowdle game. Two hundred and six yards.

1993
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 3: In a store.

1994
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,799
Speaker 4: He was at five yards off D'Angelo Williams franchise record.

1995
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,840
Speaker 4: He had a fifty three yard at a forty three

1996
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 4: yard run. Absolutely they outgained Miami on the ground two

1997
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:08,800
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty seven yards to nineteen. They just absolutely

1998
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 4: pulled them apart after going down seventeen, And honestly, they

1999
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:13,759
Speaker 4: might have called it a weird game, but I thought

2000
01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers really showed out at that point and

2001
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 4: deserved this one.

2002
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 1: They did.

2003
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:19,200
Speaker 2: It was a really goods he good, so you win.

2004
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 2: Bryce Young had some really impressive throws in the second

2005
01:35:22,120 --> 01:35:23,560
Speaker 2: half of that game, and I did not call for

2006
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,640
Speaker 2: him to be benched. I inquiet as to whether there

2007
01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: will be a conversation as to whether Bryce and bened

2008
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 2: he was playing awfully in the first half. In the

2009
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,400
Speaker 2: second half, he he'd significantly bet. He played pretty well

2010
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 2: down the stretch that the final drive to win the

2011
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 2: first off, though they still had a ton of operational issues.

2012
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: No one can ever get lined up there. Bryce didn't

2013
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 2: understand his own snap count. There was allgan of arras

2014
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 2: with false starts and the ball getting snapped Billy. He

2015
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: tried to take a time out when the team had

2016
01:35:49,240 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: no timeouts for remaining. The officials didn't catch it. They

2017
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,560
Speaker 2: thought it was a hang clap for a snap, and

2018
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 2: so they snapped the ball to him. And he panicked

2019
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:56,840
Speaker 2: and was able to try and figure it out. But

2020
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,600
Speaker 2: in the second half, as well mentioned, it was just

2021
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:02,640
Speaker 2: all Recoddoud or Tier that Dolphins defensive line is so

2022
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: poor they were getting not back off the ball. Paul

2023
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,680
Speaker 2: Kenneth grenn six seven eight yards down the field consistently

2024
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 2: consistently push off the ball. A Dolphins started trying to

2025
01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 2: move in further and further down the line to hide

2026
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 2: him from being at the point of attag and this

2027
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 2: would just idhim and say it would doubling off him again,

2028
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna double until he's off the field.

2029
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: Rico Daudo the fantasy pickup of the year if he

2030
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: was available in your league going into this game. It

2031
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 1: just feels like a pretty big organizational failure to be

2032
01:36:33,240 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: that soft on the ground and then going up against

2033
01:36:36,439 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: a run defense which is historically bad a year ago.

2034
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: It's just kind of normally mediocre to bad this year

2035
01:36:42,280 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: and only be able will to run the ball on

2036
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: design runs thirteen times for fourteen yards between Devon h

2037
01:36:51,040 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: Chan and Oli Gordon.

2038
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, not pretty at all.

2039
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 4: And look, I really liked about this this Panthers performance

2040
01:36:57,200 --> 01:37:00,400
Speaker 4: that the Dolphins we can get to But after they

2041
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 4: did go twenty to seventeen up two ton of Ioloa

2042
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 4: hit a Jalen Model on a forty six yard It

2043
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 4: was a lovely pass, great touchdown, and it put them

2044
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:11,400
Speaker 4: back into the lead with only a few minutes remaining.

2045
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 4: And you heard on that call there for the Mitch

2046
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 4: Levans winning touchdown, he said, another rookie, because prior to that,

2047
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 4: on this drive, Bryce Young had a fourth and five

2048
01:37:20,240 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 4: where he stepped up in the pocket and threw just

2049
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 4: a laser to Jimmy Horn on the sideline to pick

2050
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 4: up that fourth down. It was a really great game

2051
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 4: winning touchdown drive eight plays eighty three yards. The late

2052
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 4: round rookies pulling out for them, and so that I

2053
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 4: just I wanted to give them the shout for coming

2054
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 4: back in this game twice essentially. But from Miami perspective,

2055
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:42,320
Speaker 4: they had this game almost sewn up in the first

2056
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 4: half and couldn't just eke out.

2057
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 2: I just have to shut out another Bryce throw. The

2058
01:37:46,439 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 2: touchdown throw to Zevila get is an extraordinary throw. It

2059
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,759
Speaker 2: is a down is a go ball shot feed supposed

2060
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,160
Speaker 2: to be hung up to the outside back corner of

2061
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 2: the end zone, and Bryce's forget that. I'm throwing it,

2062
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: I'm ripping it on a line to the inside shoulder

2063
01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 2: of the corner. It peaks right at the last second.

2064
01:38:04,160 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 2: It almost has this like arcing curve in towards Avia Legett.

2065
01:38:08,160 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 2: Is an all time level fade ball throw, which is

2066
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 2: not traditionally what you would think of with Bryce junks.

2067
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: You do get this really high variant of Bryce Young,

2068
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:18,599
Speaker 2: where from snaps up he may forget to hold onto

2069
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,800
Speaker 2: the football even during the snap process, but when you

2070
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 2: give him targets down the field, he really is one

2071
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,040
Speaker 2: of the most efficient downfield FROs in the league. It

2072
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:29,479
Speaker 2: is strange because you don't think of him as being

2073
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:32,400
Speaker 2: this next level talent. But if you just stack up

2074
01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 2: his very best throws, it is among some of the

2075
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,479
Speaker 2: best in the league. And maybe I'll take a look

2076
01:38:38,479 --> 01:38:40,360
Speaker 2: at that and we'll think about it for Best Throw

2077
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:44,760
Speaker 2: of the Year nominee. And suddenly this Panthers team is

2078
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 2: two and three.

2079
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 1: And undefeated at home as well. They have the Cowboys

2080
01:38:48,800 --> 01:38:51,639
Speaker 1: and Jets necks. Just crazier things have happened. Those are

2081
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:54,600
Speaker 1: games that they have a chance to win. You I

2082
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: know you wanted to slam on the Dolphins before we go.

2083
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to just slam on the Dolphins.

2084
01:38:59,040 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 3: I won't know.

2085
01:38:59,439 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 4: I'm not going to pick a part of the Miami Dolphins.

2086
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,000
Speaker 4: I think there's plenty of that been done over the

2087
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,160
Speaker 4: recent weeks, but one and four. At this point, you

2088
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:09,640
Speaker 4: talked about the eight one and four teams in the NFL.

2089
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:13,120
Speaker 4: I'm struggling to think of one of those teams outside

2090
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 4: of the Titans that I've maybe been less impressed with

2091
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 4: the Dolphins, and this defense has just.

2092
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:20,320
Speaker 3: Been a like the front looks washed.

2093
01:39:20,439 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 4: All of those guys coming off injuries just look absolutely

2094
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 4: like they've got no twitch.

2095
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 3: They've gone.

2096
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:27,240
Speaker 4: When Bradley Chubb had that sac of I thought, oh

2097
01:39:27,400 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 4: he's turning up, and then they barely got any pressure

2098
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 4: the rest of the game.

2099
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,559
Speaker 3: It just I can't buy into this defense in any way,

2100
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:34,240
Speaker 3: shape or form.

2101
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,880
Speaker 2: It's just a really strange situation. With Mike McDaniel, I

2102
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,680
Speaker 2: can't remember the last time we had a guy as

2103
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,640
Speaker 2: like a run game architect, that's his thing. Those are

2104
01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 2: usually the rah rah guys, and I know that's not

2105
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,439
Speaker 2: who Mike McDaniel is, but it's a team that is

2106
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 2: just soft. They get no push up front. Inside they

2107
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,360
Speaker 2: go and they bring in all the big boys in

2108
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 2: the offseason, right, they draft Jonah sev in the in

2109
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,479
Speaker 2: the second round. I think we're going to get some

2110
01:39:55,640 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 2: interior push. They have Patrick Pawn the second season, and

2111
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: Aaron Brewer, to his credit, is fighting like crazy inside

2112
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 2: in a season where most sen to play is pretty poor.

2113
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: He's probably one of the three or four best individual

2114
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,559
Speaker 2: sense in the league. And as he's crushing people up front,

2115
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:13,400
Speaker 2: it's just bodies falling all around him. On the interior

2116
01:40:13,479 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 2: defensive line, they get pushed back off the ball. It

2117
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 2: is just wild to me that a guy who has

2118
01:40:17,640 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 2: made his name as the architect of rung game football

2119
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 2: can feel such a soft team.

2120
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: It's funny how narratives happen and attention. We'll see what

2121
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: happens with Miami in the next couple of weeks, but

2122
01:40:29,920 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: the fact that they got that win over the Jets

2123
01:40:33,320 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 1: in primetime kind of like took the heat, took the

2124
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:40,200
Speaker 1: attention off. But it doesn't get much worse than losing

2125
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: a seventeen point lead in Carolina, and so it's going

2126
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: to be an uncomfortable week. It's obviously an uncomfortable season

2127
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins. Might stay here at talk sport. Though

2128
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:52,520
Speaker 1: it's been very comfortable.

2129
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:53,520
Speaker 2: It's been beautiful.

2130
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 3: Stop it.

2131
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,200
Speaker 4: It's been lovely having you for the last ten days

2132
01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 4: or so in Doublin here in London.

2133
01:40:57,720 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 3: We've loved it.

2134
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: I feel bad I'm into the office so much this week.

2135
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 1: I guess that's not a normal thing. Apparently I didn't

2136
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 1: realize that.

2137
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't enjoy how much they laughed on the

2138
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 4: other side of the class to that one.

2139
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 3: Thank you guys.

2140
01:41:11,400 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 4: No, I mean my wife might not thank you, but

2141
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 4: I've had a wonderful time coming into the office listening

2142
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,439
Speaker 4: to you, not to talk about football when I wasn't involved,

2143
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:18,800
Speaker 4: getting involved as well.

2144
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: It's been a great time.

2145
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Now it's the most fun thing that I get a

2146
01:41:24,240 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: chance to do is call these games with you in

2147
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:31,559
Speaker 1: person and hopefully we can meet back up at the

2148
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:35,400
Speaker 1: super Bowl. Only big games, international games and Ali, you

2149
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:39,920
Speaker 1: were awesome on the call, awesome on the podcast. I

2150
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 1: did want to, you know, thank everyone who's helped us here,

2151
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:49,040
Speaker 1: Tom Scoolsey, Skulls, Will Varney really running the show behind

2152
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: the scenes, and then of course our guys Eric Roberts

2153
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 1: and Chris Babona behind the scenes. And it takes a

2154
01:41:56,160 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. Henry Hodson is always very important to

2155
01:41:59,200 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: this entire opera. It was great to see him on

2156
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:03,880
Speaker 1: the sideline today. You know who else I saw on

2157
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 1: the sideline today, Jason sadakas And that might have been as.

2158
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 3: If this story's coming out to the ball.

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Speaker 1: Of course we're throwing a Sunday night football in just

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Speaker 1: a second, but of course it's coming out Jason Sadaka.

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Speaker 1: I'm just talking to Henry on the sideline and I

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01:42:20,320 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't even know Jason Sadeka's there. And suddenly he comes

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Speaker 1: into our site line, stands right in front of me,

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Speaker 1: looks me in the eye and says, nice to see you,

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Speaker 1: and shakes my hand, and then you know, walks back.

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Speaker 1: And it may have been a mistaken identity situation.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know.

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Speaker 4: He's saying that now. He came upstairs all big time.

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Speaker 4: This is permission right now, Jordan Rodrigue, Patrick claim on

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Speaker 4: everyone else involved in the show. You can absolutely rip

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01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 4: into him for that. He was so proud of himself.

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01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 4: And yeah, he basically big time does for the rest

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Speaker 4: of the game.

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Speaker 2: That's none of that. He was the bell of the

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Speaker 2: ball all day. Everyone was coming up to mask him

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01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,520
Speaker 2: for selfies. He's just swalling.

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Speaker 4: Around in the room. People were coming up and asking

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Speaker 4: him for selfies and telling him just how important the

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Speaker 4: show was.

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Speaker 3: Tim It was.

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Speaker 4: Lovely to hear, but also it's quite funny for a

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01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 4: man as awkward as Greg Rosenthal to get told how

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01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:10,720
Speaker 4: wonderful he is.

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01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 3: Left right and center, we think he's wonderful.

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01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 4: At the end of the game, after you'd left, somebody

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01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:16,920
Speaker 4: asked for my play calling sheet, you know, with all

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01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,000
Speaker 4: the stats and everything on, and we're pretty sure they

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01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 4: only asked for it because you've been in there.

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Speaker 1: Stop that. It really is awesome, though to hear from

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Speaker 1: the listeners more less so like the media members, that's great.

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01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 1: That's great as well too. But walking up to the

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01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 1: game today I did the same thing as a week ago.

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Speaker 1: I got out of the tube stop at the Seven

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01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Sisters staff so you can get nice long walk, and

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01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: it really is crazy to see how much this game

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Speaker 1: is embraced here and just the total enthusiasm for it.

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01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 1: It makes it feel like a big game, and they

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01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:52,759
Speaker 1: know how to throw.

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Speaker 4: It over under. Who had more Greg selfies or me?

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01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,519
Speaker 4: Pints of guinness in Dublin? I think you generally would

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Speaker 4: be about.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think that that's it.

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01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: Shout out to Jason today because maybe he watched sky Sports.

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01:44:05,439 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 2: Or something last week. I'm thinking, like, is he.

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01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:10,639
Speaker 3: Could not be the cat?

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01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 2: That could be the case.

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Speaker 1: It's been an incredible week and a half over here

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01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:21,719
Speaker 1: in Dublin and then in London. We'll wrap it up here,

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Speaker 1: but on the other side of the break, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear a wild and hopefully patriots heavy review of Bill's Patriots.

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01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:34,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, I will be back on Monday night, which

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01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: seems like startlingly soon with Nick.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you then. Cool and now he'll look to

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01:44:49,240 --> 01:44:50,760
Speaker 2: convert from fifty two from the.

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Speaker 17: Right edge, he asked me staff at Pegram.

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Speaker 7: This wing of the right leg by Bory gallis the

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01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:58,400
Speaker 7: kids sailor to the uprights. Kids good. The Patriots half

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01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:02,280
Speaker 7: a lead with fifte gets to go to Rookie delivers

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01:45:04,680 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 7: Posci's back home team winners. That felt good, boy, didn't it?

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Speaker 13: Oh? It felt good. It looked good off the leg

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01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 13: of Andy Boorrgalis. As that kick ultimately didn't determine the game.

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Speaker 13: The Patriots needed to make two more plays after that.

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01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:21,080
Speaker 13: They made those plays and it's over. Nick Patrick Claibn

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Speaker 13: here NFL Daily Sunday Night Football recap time. There's no

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01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 13: more undefeated teams, So the NFL is bad, Nick, we

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01:45:26,479 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 13: got to get rid of We gotta get rid of

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01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 13: the league.

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01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 21: We're real close, I think the complete and the parody

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01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 21: circle after only five weeks and we still got the

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01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 21: Monday Night or to go.

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01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is it's time.

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 21: Shout out to the seventy two Dolphins and the memory

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01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 21: of Mercury Morris who was always a big celebrator of this.

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01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:47,120
Speaker 21: And honestly, I'm glad that the conversation's over now because

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01:45:47,120 --> 01:45:49,280
Speaker 21: now we can focus on the rest of the season

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01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 21: without worrying about who's got the big zero next to

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01:45:51,240 --> 01:45:52,280
Speaker 21: their their team name.

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01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:56,040
Speaker 13: Yeah, we just worry about seating at home away. The

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Speaker 13: way things go in the playoffs, it's not college football.

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01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 13: You don't have to run the table. Got to be

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01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,160
Speaker 13: there in a right spot to make a play when

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01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 13: your team gets an opportunity, and the Patriots took advantage

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01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 13: of their opportunities. Here shook in a game that was

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01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:13,120
Speaker 13: fumbled night football to start off, both teams, kind of

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01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 13: draining the energy from what was an electric highmark stadium

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01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:19,880
Speaker 13: with the special uniforms for the Bills, and then things

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01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:21,839
Speaker 13: really got going to the second half where both offenses

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01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:22,840
Speaker 13: kind of heated up for a bit.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you know that first half that you speak of

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01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 21: that was so ugly. It was also ugly because penalties

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01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,519
Speaker 21: just ran rampant, especially for the Bills. They had eight

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01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 21: at halftime and including a past interference in the end

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01:46:34,439 --> 01:46:36,400
Speaker 21: zone that set up the Patriots with an opportunity to

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Speaker 21: score they didn't execute, but then opportunity to score. They

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Speaker 21: end up getting three points out of it, and it

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01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 21: was very uncharacteristic of the Bills largely, and the Patriots,

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01:46:44,720 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 21: cred to them, got a little bit out of it.

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01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 21: But what really happened in that second half, like you

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Speaker 21: just alluded to, is the Patriots kind of waking up offense.

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01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 21: We'll be finding a bit of a groove, Drake May

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01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,080
Speaker 21: taking over, Mike be Able going back to Ramandra Stevenson

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01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 21: after he'd fumbled twice you know, earlier in the game,

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Speaker 21: and and them finding like coming to understand that yes,

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Speaker 21: we belong here, we are in this fight and we

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Speaker 21: can actually do this. Like when we look at the Patriots.

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Speaker 21: This is going to sound crazy, right, now, but in

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01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 21: the Mike Vrabel era, when teams turn a corner, there's

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Speaker 21: always that moment that game. This could very well be

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Speaker 21: that game that we look back to the Patriots and

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01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,800
Speaker 21: think that's when they all started to believe and when

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Speaker 21: Vrabel's imprint really started to take effect of this team.

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01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,839
Speaker 21: And it's only week five, which is super encouraging beyond

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01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 21: the fact that they pull off the upset win over

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Speaker 21: the Bills twenty three to twenty.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and we look at it. Got a balanced performance

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01:47:33,800 --> 01:47:36,559
Speaker 13: from the Patriots in the second half, not just the offense,

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01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 13: especially Drake May working those balls down the sideline to

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01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 13: Stefan Diggs, who had a huge revenge game against his

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01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 13: old team. In fact, there was a ball to Hunter

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01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:51,000
Speaker 13: Henry in the second half where he goes up kind

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01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 13: of snatches it out of the sky. From the very

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01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 13: next play, Digs spins out of a short route, gets

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01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,200
Speaker 13: a lot of run after the catch. So those two

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01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:01,759
Speaker 13: played great. But Marcus Jones in this Patriots defense, Milton

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01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:05,639
Speaker 13: Williams guys continued to make plays in a way where

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01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:09,240
Speaker 13: we felt shook watching this Buffalo Bills defense. Hey, at

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01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 13: some point the season, the Bill's defense is going to

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01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:13,559
Speaker 13: need to make plays. The Patriots defense made the plays

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01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 13: the Bills defense couldn't. Down the stretch.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, Marcus Jones with an incredible interception on a pass

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01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 21: that looked very familiar to if anybody watched Bill Saints

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01:48:21,479 --> 01:48:23,479
Speaker 21: last week. I understand if he didn't, but if he did,

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01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 21: Josh Allen threw a similar pick, and he almost threw

2295
01:48:26,439 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 21: another one just like this, a late ball forced over

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01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 21: the middle. It was not intercepted in that game. Marcus

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01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:34,600
Speaker 21: Jones is a premier athlete with incredible speed that we

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01:48:34,680 --> 01:48:36,600
Speaker 21: usually see in special teams. This time we see it

2299
01:48:36,600 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 21: on the defensive side of the ball. Covers the ground,

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01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:42,160
Speaker 21: dives in front of the pass, makes it a phenomenal interception.

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Speaker 21: That was a huge point in that game. That stopped

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Speaker 21: a Bill's drive. That was you know, I mean because

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Speaker 21: in the second half, except for that last possession, the

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01:48:49,560 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 21: Bills could move the ball with relative ease. That one

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01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,200
Speaker 21: was super important that it stopped them in their tracks,

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01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,639
Speaker 21: gave the Patriots to the ball back, continued to give

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01:48:57,640 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 21: them both hope that they could get this done and

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01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:01,960
Speaker 21: also another opportunity to tack on to their lead, which

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01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:02,559
Speaker 21: they did.

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Speaker 13: And so the Buffalo Bills all get another opportunity, and

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01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 13: it's kind of this situation where when you have this

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Speaker 13: freak athlete at quarterback who's able to do so much. Obviously,

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01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 13: everybody wants to see Josh Allen hero ball, that's why

2314
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 13: we watch. But we saw the ways where it can

2315
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,280
Speaker 13: kind of go off the rails where if he's trying

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01:49:21,320 --> 01:49:22,920
Speaker 13: to ultimately do too much. And there was a couple

2317
01:49:22,920 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 13: of scary moments there on one drive where Josh lands

2318
01:49:26,479 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 13: on his throwing shoulder and then another scrambled down towards

2319
01:49:30,200 --> 01:49:33,240
Speaker 13: the red zone. You know that slender area of Highmark Stadia,

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01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 13: which is why you know across the parking lot there's

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Speaker 13: a new stadium going on. It looks like Josh was

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01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:41,519
Speaker 13: in danger of going in to the camera cart at

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01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 13: one point, but they get an opportunity there and again

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01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:49,840
Speaker 13: this Patriots team are resilient as they are. They come

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Speaker 13: right back down the field and get the game winning

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01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:56,760
Speaker 13: field goal. Where we have a little bit of a

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01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 13: different thought and you brought it up, shook about this

2328
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:04,040
Speaker 13: Patriot what their long term aspirations can be, level of concern.

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01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:06,840
Speaker 13: This is a weird division game at home for the

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01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 13: Buffalo Bills that they played the previous rendition of the

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01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 13: New England Patriots at Highmark Stadium in a three point

2332
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:16,000
Speaker 13: game late last season, so it's not like it's that

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Speaker 13: far of a departure. But are you concerned for the

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01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:19,400
Speaker 13: Bills at this point?

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Speaker 21: Well, yeah, because you know, you can always point to, oh,

2336
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 21: you throw the records out the window in a rivalry,

2337
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,840
Speaker 21: and Nike has legitimately taken over the idea of a

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01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:29,519
Speaker 21: rivalry with these rivalry uniforms, which, by the way, I

2339
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 21: think the Bills might want to light those on fire

2340
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 21: after the result tonight, although they do look very good.

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01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 21: But I don't think that that's the case here. I

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01:50:36,200 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 21: think what we are seeing is an example of a

2343
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,639
Speaker 21: Patriots team that's starting to build confidence under Mike Vrabel.

2344
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 21: They started that to really build that confidence with their

2345
01:50:44,080 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 21: victory last week, a walk in the park for them,

2346
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:49,000
Speaker 21: a cruise the first time Scott Zolak got to relax

2347
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,080
Speaker 21: in the booth in ages. Then tonight he gets to

2348
01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:53,479
Speaker 21: enjoy a game winning field goal, which he even mentioned,

2349
01:50:53,479 --> 01:50:55,200
Speaker 21: first time we've had that in a long time. Right,

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01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 21: These are the small steps towards sustained success. So I

2351
01:50:57,960 --> 01:50:59,679
Speaker 21: think that it was an example of that. It's also

2352
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,160
Speaker 21: the exams sample of a quarterback who is very talented,

2353
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 21: who Patriots fans have known for a while. Now we

2354
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 21: have a guy here. Greg Rosenthal is known for a while.

2355
01:51:07,240 --> 01:51:09,000
Speaker 21: They got a guy there that all he cares about

2356
01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,960
Speaker 21: with the season is the development of Drake May. The

2357
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,200
Speaker 21: national audience got to see what Drake May brings to

2358
01:51:13,280 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 21: the table, especially breaking the pocket tonight, Buffalo continuing to

2359
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:19,160
Speaker 21: flush him out inexplicably slow, so because he was so

2360
01:51:19,240 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 21: good outside of the pocket. You see the Stefon Diggs

2361
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 21: revenge game. All of this comes together in one big

2362
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 21: giant pot of stew and cooks up something that's much

2363
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 21: more delicious than you thought. Now you might not be

2364
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 21: able to get to actually eat that for a while,

2365
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 21: but you get a taste. Maybe you throw a little

2366
01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:35,439
Speaker 21: more salt and pepper in there. You're taste testing right now.

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01:51:35,479 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 21: The first taste is very good for the Patriots. But

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01:51:37,640 --> 01:51:40,880
Speaker 21: to answer your initial question, yes, I am concerned, not

2369
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,120
Speaker 21: because I'm concerned about the bills overall. I have a

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01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:45,439
Speaker 21: take here. It's going to piss off a lot of

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01:51:45,479 --> 01:51:47,040
Speaker 21: Bills fans, and I'm fine with that. You can go

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Speaker 21: after me, you can make fun of me for being bald.

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Speaker 3: I don't care.

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Speaker 21: I think that Buffalo has not been tested this year.

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Speaker 21: And you can point a Week one against Baltimore and

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01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,920
Speaker 21: then incredible comeback and everything else. But what have the

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Speaker 21: Ravens done since then? Not a great litmus test for them. Otherwise,

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Speaker 21: their schedule has been remarkably soft. Okay, the next three

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Speaker 21: games they played Jets, Dolphins, Saints, probably two or three

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Speaker 21: of the worst teams in the NFL as it currently stands,

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Speaker 21: Jets still winless, last winless team in the NFL. And

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Speaker 21: then you get the Patriots tonight, a game that you think, yeah,

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Speaker 21: we're definitely gonna win that one. I think that is

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Speaker 21: an example of the Bill's shortcomings, shortcomings in personnel defensively,

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Speaker 21: shortcomings in how they approach their offense. Sometimes, like James

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Speaker 21: Cook did not touch the ball nearly enough tonight, Collinsworth

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Speaker 21: is going mad about it. In the first half of

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Speaker 21: this game. He doesn't end up touching the ball very much,

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Speaker 21: even when the game is still within reach. Some credit

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Speaker 21: goes to the Patriots defense way that they tried to

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Speaker 21: bottle him up, but he didn't touch it nearly enough.

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Speaker 21: And I think that when we look at Buffalo. We

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Speaker 21: see Josh Allen, we think Super Bowl contender. You have

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Speaker 21: the MVP on your team, which is valid. But I

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Speaker 21: think there's more weaknesses and cracks in this team than

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Speaker 21: people realize, and a game like this will force them

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Speaker 21: to look back at themselves and say, what do we

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Speaker 21: need to correct. You can't afford to have eight penalties

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Speaker 21: in the first half against anybody divisional game Patriots doesn't matter.

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Speaker 21: I don't know if it necessarily concerns me. I think

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Speaker 21: it more justifies what I thought about the Bills, which

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01:53:05,120 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 21: is like, there's a little bit of fraudulents with this

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Speaker 21: team right now. I don't see them as highly as

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Speaker 21: other people do.

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Speaker 13: And they will have a chance to reveal them their

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Speaker 13: true selves on the road in Atlanta coming up on

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Speaker 13: October the thirteenth. And if you know Stefan Diggs, the

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Speaker 13: aging Stefan Diggs was a problem. Drake London and Bjon

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Speaker 13: Robinson should perform a slightly bit of a more athletic

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Speaker 13: test in the secondary for the Buffalo Bills and the

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Speaker 13: New England Patriots have the Saints up next as they

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Speaker 13: continue their run and trying to figure out how good

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Speaker 13: both of these teams are fun matchups to look forward to.

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Speaker 13: Of course, let's look back and celebrate the cast of

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Speaker 13: you know about probably about eight hundred and fifty people

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Speaker 13: facilitated the past couple of weeks for Greg Rosenthal over

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Speaker 13: in both Ireland as well as in London. And thank

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Speaker 13: you Olli Colliny and Will Gavin who you heard at

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Speaker 13: the start of this spectacular pod and shook, We're gonna

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Speaker 13: get Greg back. And that's something I'm incided to finally

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Speaker 13: have Greg back home because we missed it, we really did.

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Speaker 21: I'm very much looking forward to sharing a virtual screen

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Speaker 21: with the international man of mystery himself, Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 13: I will do it. I can't to lay hand upon

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Speaker 13: Rosenthal on your behalf. Nick Schuk for everyone again involved

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Speaker 13: in our operation, thanks for joining us for this pod

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Speaker 13: that has spanned oceans all the way to bring football

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Speaker 13: from us to you. Happy week five. We got one

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Speaker 13: more game Monday night, looking forward to for Nick Chok,

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Speaker 13: Patrick Claiblon, See you next time.