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Speaker 2: Dangling a stake in front of the lion and you
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Speaker 3: So let's go inside the matchup. I Motivated Aaron Rodgers?
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Speaker 1: Happy New Year's what's a resolution?
Speaker 5: I don't have any resolutions?
Speaker 3: Do you have any? Yeah? To keep my hair? I
Speaker 3: think your hair like maybe a man may. I'd be
Speaker 3: happy to sit there there, put put my coconut oil.
Speaker 3: This You're still young guy, no more man. You know
Speaker 3: it's crazy. You know.
Speaker 2: I was sitting there and I was watching the The
Speaker 2: George Foreman, The George Foreman Story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm like, damn, I'm only one year younger
Speaker 3: than he was. When you want a championship, Remember how
Speaker 3: we looked at George. He's George's like old grandpa. He
Speaker 3: had his pants, so I'll look to him. Tell me
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I'm like, damn, I'm one year
Speaker 3: younger than when he won the title.
Speaker 2: Michael Moore, Yes, I'm like, man, So like technically I'm
Speaker 2: like an old dude now. Like remember how we used
Speaker 2: to look at forty four forty five back in the day.
Speaker 1: Well, we were just talking about it before.
Speaker 4: Like when you go back and look at old games
Speaker 4: and you see the player snapshot up there, and like
Speaker 4: a rookie out of Penn State, the dude who was
Speaker 4: twenty one or twenty two years old years old about
Speaker 4: twenty five years ago, he looks like he was forty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, rookies different.
Speaker 2: Remember Greg Olden came in, Greg Olden came out the
Speaker 2: wounds as a teenager.
Speaker 5: Yeah, nuts nuts. So no resolutions, then keep my hair, Okay,
Speaker 5: So that's one.
Speaker 1: All right, that's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm not crowning.
Speaker 4: Jet season is ending Sunday against Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 3: It's that late slot.
Speaker 4: Do you make anything of Hey, potentially you can be
Speaker 4: a spoil against the division rival, because what's at hand
Speaker 4: here for the Dolphins is they need the Chiefs to
Speaker 4: beat the Broncos. If that happens, Miami can go to
Speaker 4: the postseason with the win over the Jets.
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, Miami's flying high saying, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: look what all we've been through. We lost our starting
Speaker 2: quarterback and we still have an opportunity to get in
Speaker 2: a tournament.
Speaker 3: And we get in a tournament. Who knows And you're like, yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no, yeah. If I'm not going, you're not going.
Speaker 2: Like you may make your reservation for Cabo a little
Speaker 2: later than me, but trust me, you going to Cabo too,
Speaker 2: And like that's what the motivation is. And the motivation
Speaker 2: also is like, hey, this is our last game maybe ever.
Speaker 2: You know, you got guys like Tyron Smith, you know,
Speaker 2: who knows what Morgan Moses want to do. He's battled
Speaker 2: like a champion, you know, throughout the entire year. But
Speaker 2: you know he may have to he may decide to retire.
Speaker 2: So you always want to show respect to the last
Speaker 2: guys who gains. It could be the last game to
Speaker 2: ever play. You want them to remember, hey man, my
Speaker 2: last game I won. You know, you want to have
Speaker 2: respect for them.
Speaker 4: What are you literally talking about that in the locker
Speaker 4: room with all their guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm seriously.
Speaker 2: I remember when it was Deon Sander's last game and
Speaker 2: he was ever gonna play.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 3: We went out there like, let's let's have fun for prime.
Speaker 3: No for that.
Speaker 4: But I'm saying as far as keeping Miami absolutely, come on,
Speaker 4: well absolutely we went out here like yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 3: Think y'all going somewhere.
Speaker 2: Y'all ain't going nowhere, Okay, Like, just think how Miami
Speaker 2: has kind of rubbed it in over the last couple
Speaker 2: of years.
Speaker 1: Well, the Jets should have beat him to the first meeting.
Speaker 2: Donna thank you about how Tyreek Hill hit us with
Speaker 2: the who the Jets, all those the memes and stuff
Speaker 2: like when he Birdy would come in here, but use
Speaker 2: us for all that, man, all that? Yeah, yeah, how
Speaker 2: many playoff games if you want since you've been down there, Tyrek, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you ain't going to the playoffs this year too.
Speaker 3: Oh man, you just I'm telling you, okay, So.
Speaker 4: You're rooting for if you're a Jet, you're rooting for
Speaker 4: the Chiefs to win because you want to be the
Speaker 4: person responsible or the team responsible.
Speaker 1: We shut the door on you, guys.
Speaker 2: But also, like listen, I hate everybody. Yeah, I know
Speaker 2: I can't do nothing to hate on the Chiefs, but
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 3: I want them.
Speaker 2: I want the Broncos because we should have beat All
Speaker 2: with the field goal. So like I want you to
Speaker 2: lose to because I want you all to be happy.
Speaker 2: So listen, remember what Sean Payton said about us. So
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, I forget you. I know my boy
Speaker 2: Franklin Myer is there, but I don't get right. Damn
Speaker 2: hell no, I ain't going. We can meet at cowbo Yo.
Speaker 2: How crazy would that be?
Speaker 3: If?
Speaker 4: Okay, Kansas City in the reserves. You think they're gonna
Speaker 4: play a lot of the regular.
Speaker 1: Well have you can't play?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, outside of guys like Chris Johones, but Calophus
Speaker 2: and like all the young guys like you gotta play.
Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy, Juju Smith, Shooter is a guy that's going
Speaker 2: to have to play. Maybe Kelsey's not going to play,
Speaker 2: but they're backup tight end. I forget his name.
Speaker 3: Gray, no Gray, No Grey, no Gray, been putting putting
Speaker 3: in work this year.
Speaker 5: Right, So Kansas City beats done for Broncos.
Speaker 3: In Miami all height we got a shot.
Speaker 1: So winning.
Speaker 5: Son of the Jets beat Miami, that means the.
Speaker 1: Door would be open for Joey Burrow Ye.
Speaker 3: See Cincinnati he's Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I got less hate for them, like because
Speaker 2: it listen, they over there.
Speaker 3: They I ain't got nothing to do with them. I
Speaker 3: rarely see them whatever.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you what, the Bengals get in, there'd
Speaker 2: be a super dangerous team with their ability to score points.
Speaker 3: Baltimore don't want to see them. Nobody wants to see them.
Speaker 2: And then if they beat if they get in, did
Speaker 2: they mean they beat the Steelers? That Dealers don't want
Speaker 2: to see them.
Speaker 1: They would probably play Buffalo.
Speaker 3: Josh Allen don't want to see him.
Speaker 2: Remember what he's went up to Orchard Parker in one
Speaker 2: that don't affect him, right, and you know, and Kansas
Speaker 2: City don't want to see him.
Speaker 4: So how difficult is it for you as a player
Speaker 4: to get up dust yourself off after what happened in Buffalo.
Speaker 4: I was talking to a number of players in the
Speaker 4: locker room about it, and Quincy Williams said, straight up,
Speaker 4: this was a piss poor performance from us.
Speaker 3: Well, you feel.
Speaker 2: The game is about moments, yeah, right, and it can
Speaker 2: get out of hand really quickly, and it did because
Speaker 2: you know, you had the two turnovers.
Speaker 3: It was twelve nothing going to halftime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, turnover on down right, that should that should have
Speaker 2: been like a ten to twelve game going into halftime,
Speaker 2: and it just kind of snowball. And sometimes it happens
Speaker 2: like this happens, a turnover, this happens, stuff like that,
Speaker 2: blown play well or whatever. But you know, the first
Speaker 2: half wasn't indicative of the defense playing at a a
Speaker 2: bad pace, but it's just what happens when you know,
Speaker 2: when things go wrong and you're losing, you've been losing
Speaker 2: all year, you just think that they're going to continue
Speaker 2: to go bad, opposed to when things you know, when
Speaker 2: you're winning things go bad, you think, no, we're gonna
Speaker 2: turn around, because we always turn around, right, So it's
Speaker 2: like the whole belief system thing.
Speaker 4: Complimentary football too, right, Yeah, I know fans hate hearing that,
Speaker 4: but there is something to be said for that, because
Speaker 4: if you do have points on those first two possessions
Speaker 4: where you.
Speaker 2: Feel good about, if the energy is electric, you're like,
Speaker 2: oh man, you're feeling good. Yeah, it's games about momentum
Speaker 2: and defensively.
Speaker 4: When you go in and you're playing okay, yeah, the
Speaker 4: number of penalties on that first drive, but you go
Speaker 4: into the break and you're down twelve nothing.
Speaker 5: How deflating is that.
Speaker 4: Even though your offense was able to move the ball
Speaker 4: a little bit again, but not finish.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what it is. It's like disappointing.
Speaker 2: But you know when you make the decision to say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go for the for the juggler, and you
Speaker 2: know when you got your points potentially there. It's always tough,
Speaker 2: and I know it's windy and elements and all that
Speaker 2: type of stuff, but sometimes it's good, like a like
Speaker 2: a basketball player to see the ball go through the hoop, right,
Speaker 2: and just to see like the the score scoreboard turn
Speaker 2: sometimes can just be enough to like give you a
Speaker 2: little bit moment.
Speaker 3: Okay, so how can.
Speaker 4: The Jets get the ball through the hoop this week
Speaker 4: against the Dolphins.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing we've been saying all day and
Speaker 2: I'm sure it be the the mantra for the entire year.
Speaker 3: You gotta finish.
Speaker 2: Like it's great to move the football, it's great to
Speaker 2: have the yards, the first downs and being rhythm. You
Speaker 2: gotta finish, man, and you know that's that's what you
Speaker 2: gotta do. And so this week you start with finishing
Speaker 2: attention in detail, right, because it gets more difficult to
Speaker 2: close you get because it's less space, so it's easier
Speaker 2: for the defense to defend.
Speaker 3: So you got to figure out a way how to
Speaker 3: get into the end.
Speaker 4: ZO no surprise for you late in that ball game
Speaker 4: when Aaron Rodgers came out at that point fortyen or
Speaker 4: not things.
Speaker 2: But yeah, because I feel like it was late in
Speaker 2: the game and it's at that point. You know, it's
Speaker 2: a zero sum game, and you know, tyrod deserved the
Speaker 2: opportunity to play a little bit, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He's been here and going through the due diligence.
Speaker 1: And consummate professional Yeah.
Speaker 2: Doing everything for a holy season, and it's good to
Speaker 2: allow the fans and allow people to see what he
Speaker 2: looks like.
Speaker 3: And he looked down good.
Speaker 4: So we're gonna hear from Aaron Rodgers here later this week.
Speaker 4: We're taping New Year's Eve. It is Tuesday. I imagine
Speaker 4: he'll go talk on McAfee and then talk to the
Speaker 4: media here Wednesday, like he typically does at one Jets Drive.
Speaker 4: What do you think is going through his head? Is
Speaker 4: he just focuses on this game, knowing of all this
Speaker 4: that continues to swirl as far as what his future
Speaker 4: looks like here, maybe retirement, maybe somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, like right now, you just need to
Speaker 2: you know, finish what's ahead of you, Finish strong, finish
Speaker 2: through the line, and then like you need time to decompress,
Speaker 2: right I'm sure coming off of an injury, going into
Speaker 2: training camp, all that type of stuff, it's been a
Speaker 2: long year like for him, Like because coming off an
Speaker 2: injury and having rehabbing stuff, it's almost like when rookies
Speaker 2: come out and like, you know, they got the combine
Speaker 2: right after that.
Speaker 3: It's been a long year because he didn't get a break.
Speaker 2: He's been rehabbing, fighting to get here, going through the
Speaker 2: OTA's and all to get to this point, and it
Speaker 2: didn't finish the way that he wanted to. The performance
Speaker 2: wasn't where he wanted to be, The wins and losses
Speaker 2: wasn't where he wanted to be. So you got to
Speaker 2: kind of absorb that. You got to digest that first.
Speaker 2: Then you gotta see if you have a strength to
Speaker 2: be able to put the effort that it takes to
Speaker 2: play at a high level. This will be his first offseason,
Speaker 2: it's in a year and a half that he can
Speaker 2: just train. He can take his proper rest, that he
Speaker 2: can actually train and not worry about the injury a
Speaker 2: year removed, and then he had to side if his
Speaker 2: body feels good enough, if the Jets and him can
Speaker 2: come together on a deal to make this work, and
Speaker 2: what his future looks like.
Speaker 4: Just as a guy who put the body on the line,
Speaker 4: like yourself play in between those white lines. How much
Speaker 4: credit do you give Rogers just for to come back
Speaker 4: from Achilles to now make his seventeenth consecutives start at
Speaker 4: forty one years old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we know he was being banged up, and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe hindsight, he's twenty twenty, maybe he should
Speaker 2: have you know, they should have did a better job
Speaker 2: and you know, being able to allow him to rest. Maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think if you would go back, you know, on
Speaker 2: short weeks, especially you know the Jets started off. How
Speaker 2: a lot of teams ended, you know, three games in
Speaker 2: eleven days. We saw that with Baltimore, Houston, Kansas City,
Speaker 2: and I believe on the Pittsburgh early right, but the
Speaker 2: Jets had that early in the season, and I think maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, if they look at it, maybe.
Speaker 3: He should arrested. Tyrone Smith should arrested too.
Speaker 2: And you know, with that being said, I think he
Speaker 2: has to reassess and go back and say, you know what.
Speaker 3: Maybe I got a lot more in me.
Speaker 2: And only he knows if he's willing to pay the price.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's the process that all players go through.
Speaker 2: Tyrone's gonna have well, Tyrone's going to have to go
Speaker 2: through that. Morgan is going to have to go.
Speaker 3: Through that when you get that. When you get to
Speaker 3: this age, it's like a year to year.
Speaker 1: What was it like for you when it became a
Speaker 1: year to year thing?
Speaker 3: What never did for me? I got injured.
Speaker 2: I got injured and I probably wasn't going to be
Speaker 2: back clear in enough time.
Speaker 3: And you know, the Jets had let me go and
Speaker 3: I had all intentions.
Speaker 2: And being able to go and play. But then you know,
Speaker 2: I got the TV opportunity. I was like, all, well,
Speaker 2: I'll just take a year off with all intentions on
Speaker 2: going back. You really did that was going to go
Speaker 2: back like I'd never stopped training. You know, I was like,
Speaker 2: oh man, because it just think I had went eleven
Speaker 2: years without missing a game. I mean, I missed that
Speaker 2: one game in Miami, but you know I had played
Speaker 2: like something like one hundred and eighty consecutive games, you know,
Speaker 2: going all the way back to like my first my second.
Speaker 3: Year in the NFL.
Speaker 2: So like a lot of times players careers are extended
Speaker 2: because they get injured. And I know that sounds weird,
Speaker 2: but their's careers extended because they get injured and they
Speaker 2: don't get to wear in tear.
Speaker 4: I just played interesting, I just play play you on
Speaker 4: like ir after four weeks, six weeks.
Speaker 2: Well, well yeah, yeah, like I see, I went through
Speaker 2: to wearing tear right where I just never got a break.
Speaker 2: So you get exhausted and your body's just inflamed.
Speaker 3: And like you got all these little injuries and then
Speaker 3: you got the main injury.
Speaker 2: So the toe was one injury with my shoulder, my
Speaker 2: knee and all that stuff, with stuff that I have
Speaker 2: been battling through for years, right and managing for years
Speaker 2: my wrists, and so I thought, maybe, oh, tak, take
Speaker 2: a year off. Body felt good because like we don't
Speaker 2: play football, and God's figured this out in the first
Speaker 2: year when they retire, like man like usually you train,
Speaker 2: you work hard, and then you play and then everything
Speaker 2: you did, you know, go to bed because like it
Speaker 2: gets knocked off soon as you get hurt.
Speaker 3: Well, when you.
Speaker 2: Just uh uh, spectator, you get it's no, it's no season,
Speaker 2: so you can just train for a whole year, right,
Speaker 2: it was the last time you've ever I never trained
Speaker 2: for a whole year. I always had some type of
Speaker 2: sports season. So your body feel good, You're like, man,
Speaker 2: I feel strong. That's why when you see guys like man,
Speaker 2: I think I would come back, Like it's like the
Speaker 2: quickest way for somebody to retires the first year that
Speaker 2: they walk away.
Speaker 3: It's like, man, I feel good. Yeah, you go out there.
Speaker 4: But you always told me when you were a player,
Speaker 4: and we've been doing this for a long time together,
Speaker 4: that you're gonna play until everything falls apart.
Speaker 1: You compared it to a car. A tire is going.
Speaker 4: Over here, the power steering doesn't work here, the oh,
Speaker 4: the engine's starting to go.
Speaker 3: You were gonna go until.
Speaker 2: And that's that's something that a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of I at least, have to deal with. Like it's
Speaker 2: funny because andre Ward has a podcast now and he
Speaker 2: was talking to Roy Jones and he.
Speaker 3: Was like, man, does it ever go away? Bro?
Speaker 2: He's like, man, it's been seven years, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's starting. I think he started tease maybe
Speaker 2: like he might want to come back and fight because
Speaker 2: he still trains, he still does all the stuff. And yeah,
Speaker 2: but you but when it's seen, you will seeing you.
Speaker 5: Would you ever want to go out that tunnel again
Speaker 5: right now?
Speaker 3: No? I mean at this point it's a rot for me.
Speaker 4: Right No, I know that, but I'm just saying, do
Speaker 4: you ever go to the stadium on Sunday morning and
Speaker 4: smell everything, look at people, telgaate and then watch the
Speaker 4: guys coming out of the tunnel? No?
Speaker 3: Sometimes I have Sometimes I have dreams that I'm going
Speaker 3: to the game.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, I just swear to God, like I've
Speaker 2: at least ten to fifteen of them where I feel
Speaker 2: like it's the season. It's like, oh man, I gotta
Speaker 2: go play. And I dream about me playing football, like
Speaker 2: coming out of the tunnel. I feel like it like
Speaker 2: I'm in a game.
Speaker 3: Excitement.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like no, a real dream, like I'm a
Speaker 2: football like I'm still playing right now, wake up thinking
Speaker 2: I got to.
Speaker 3: Go to practice. I'm like, man, you trip it? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like it never goes.
Speaker 4: It's interesting when you look at a guy like Rogers
Speaker 4: now Lebron too. I mean obviously totally different athletes, but
Speaker 4: elite two of the best you've ever played their games.
Speaker 4: Lebron said the other day that he thinks that he
Speaker 4: could play five seven more years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but see what I've been around great players. What
Speaker 2: they ask themselves is at what costs? Like like when
Speaker 2: you look at guys like Ben's Carter, Vince Carter was
Speaker 2: fine not being half man, half amazing, like will Lebron
Speaker 2: or know ever feel like, hey, I'm coming off the
Speaker 2: bench like Carmelo, Like would he ever want to? Because
Speaker 2: that's a humbling experience when you used to be that
Speaker 2: guy and like now you're like, oh yeah, I'll come
Speaker 2: off the bench. Like I think when you're in an
Speaker 2: argument for the greatest of all time, I think that's
Speaker 2: a hard pill to swallow. Like when you're a guy
Speaker 2: that's been good like Ben's Carter, like car who was
Speaker 2: considered a Hall of Famer, Yes, but not like on
Speaker 2: the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 3: Greatest players all the time, that's a harder pill to swallow.
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Speaker 5: So it's gonna be a lot for Rogers to digest.
Speaker 5: He really hasn't had the ability to take a step back.
Speaker 2: And only the thing is like if he comes and
Speaker 2: continues to play, it's not like he's going.
Speaker 3: To be a a backup.
Speaker 2: No, So it's not like he's going to that like
Speaker 2: a guy like Placod that was a Super Bowl MVP
Speaker 2: saying you know, I'll be a backup and bounce around
Speaker 2: Like that's a different that's a different vibe, Like, uh
Speaker 2: was it?
Speaker 3: Did Philip Rivers do that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: I don't think phi Philip Rivers still the starter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So interesting next few days for the Jets entire
Speaker 4: organization because you play the Dolphins, it's Baggy Dan Monday,
Speaker 4: and then these GM and head coaching searches are going to.
Speaker 5: Really heat up.
Speaker 3: We're going to be hearing names.
Speaker 4: Left and right, and you got to have a comprehensive search,
Speaker 4: extensive because this organization really wants to get it right
Speaker 4: and has gives himself an opportunity to have continuity moving forward.
Speaker 2: Well, the last time they were in a coaching search
Speaker 2: was five years ago, right or it was it sixth it's.
Speaker 5: All solves higher January fourteen, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3: Yep, it's a four season, four season. Wow. Yep, Joe
Speaker 3: was six, Yes, correct, gotch.
Speaker 1: Joe came in before Robert.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely want to get it you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was under gay, So you definitely want to
Speaker 2: get it right, you know, because you don't want to
Speaker 2: keep doing this right.
Speaker 3: You want to be able to have a program that
Speaker 3: can grow.
Speaker 2: You look at guys like Andy Reid, you look at
Speaker 2: guys like Mike Tomlin, you look at guys like Harball.
Speaker 2: You're you're allowed to allow of programs. Really easy to
Speaker 2: have a culture when somebody's been there for five years
Speaker 2: at this point, I think Harball has been there. He
Speaker 2: got there in two thousand.
Speaker 4: No double check in two thousand and eight, but yeah,
Speaker 4: he's been there north to fifteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he was there and I came here in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine right there. Yeah, so you know
Speaker 2: Mike Toyland a little bit before that. Like that's when
Speaker 2: you really inject a culture, right, because that culture needs to.
Speaker 3: Be in place for a while.
Speaker 2: Like now, like I don't remember the Chiefs having a
Speaker 2: culture before Andy Reid got there, right, But he's been
Speaker 2: there for so long that the culture can stay. And
Speaker 2: now at this point, because the culture is so good,
Speaker 2: it's going to be hard to tear that culture down
Speaker 2: because his influence is all through that, through through that building.
Speaker 4: Well, we were talking about it myself and somebody else
Speaker 4: the colleague the other day that you look at those
Speaker 4: organizations like Baltimore, do you attribute it more to Harbaugh
Speaker 4: or do you go to Ozzie and say, you know,
Speaker 4: he's kind of the start.
Speaker 1: Of this, because means it goes all the way back
Speaker 1: in the day.
Speaker 3: It's a build. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's rare, right because I feel like Steve A.
Speaker 2: Shoddy enhanced the culture, right because you know his infrastructure.
Speaker 3: But also like the continuity.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I go over there and I still
Speaker 2: see the same people cooking the eggs that was there before.
Speaker 2: And you see that over here. I come here, I
Speaker 2: see Rosie Ronaldo Wan. You know, guys are still Here's
Speaker 2: like that that's important, you know what I mean. People
Speaker 2: are staples, right, Like Valve is still there. She's been
Speaker 2: there for twenty years, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 2: that's important. Your consistency, continuity, right, and you have to
Speaker 2: build that and you know, when you look at like
Speaker 2: like I said, Kansas City, that culture like and you
Speaker 2: look at what Harrorball is doing, like he's going to
Speaker 2: leave a culture. And when you when you have an
Speaker 2: opportunity to really plan to see, then everybody starts to
Speaker 2: think that way. So even if the guy who was
Speaker 2: part of the big part of the setting the culture
Speaker 2: isn't there anymore, the culture remains because they know that
Speaker 2: that's how this is how success looks, right, So you
Speaker 2: have to maintain like when people that helped set the
Speaker 2: culture lead, like so Ozzie's gone, he's been going, of course,
Speaker 2: and like now Eric Dakas is there, right, but the
Speaker 2: culture remains, so it becomes a standard and you have
Speaker 2: to be able to like it takes time, and you
Speaker 2: have to be consistent with it, and you have to
Speaker 2: make sure that you continue.
Speaker 4: Let is there a lesson there in what your hometown
Speaker 4: team has been able to do.
Speaker 3: A little Lions because they changed their culture, right, and
Speaker 3: it took a while. Yeah, it took a while.
Speaker 1: Because it doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker 4: And you Buffalo was a joke, right, like Buffalo's Homecoming,
Speaker 4: So I wanted to ask you about Buffalo too. Is
Speaker 4: because they hired McDermott first, and then they went out
Speaker 4: looking for the GM and they ended up hiring Brandon Bean.
Speaker 4: We'll work with McDermott in Carolina, So there was a
Speaker 4: past relationship there.
Speaker 1: When you look at the.
Speaker 4: Jets searches, how important is it that these guys have
Speaker 4: some kind of relationship going in.
Speaker 3: A relationship can be developed. It's hard for me to
Speaker 3: say that it's one way to do something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but we know that going in with
Speaker 2: trust and belief makes it easier.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: I don't know if Dan Campbell had a relationship with
Speaker 2: the general manager from I think he was at New
Speaker 2: England before.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he had a relationship with him.
Speaker 2: So it can be developed, it and it can be
Speaker 2: and it can be a persistent relationship.
Speaker 4: So you need guys to actually have confidence in their
Speaker 4: plans but also be malleable. But also there has to
Speaker 4: be a great working relationship behind everybody.
Speaker 3: We're all top, we're all on the same team, right
Speaker 3: and we're all trying to pull the rope the same way.
Speaker 2: And you may not always agree with what I said,
Speaker 2: but understand that it's coming from the right place.
Speaker 3: So you should want it to be successful. You shouldn't
Speaker 3: want it to fail because.
Speaker 2: You want to say that your way was right, Like
Speaker 2: we can always adjust plans, but we got to realize
Speaker 2: that we're all in this together, Like my success is
Speaker 2: your success, and you know your success is my success.
Speaker 4: Is this an exciting time for the Jets organization when
Speaker 4: you're talking about starting a new after just going through
Speaker 4: the pains of this season? You've done here, if you
Speaker 4: played here, you've made your home here, you work in
Speaker 4: the media here. There was so much expectation headed into
Speaker 4: twenty twenty four, and now as we under the final week,
Speaker 4: the Jets are sitting there four and twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not ideal, and you know, but
Speaker 2: you know, if you give up and you just you know,
Speaker 2: give into it, then it's not going to change. You
Speaker 2: got to go on with the energy and the passion
Speaker 2: and say, listen, this is the time where we're going
Speaker 2: to fix it because eventually you'll be right, you know.
Speaker 2: So you got to go in there and say, hey,
Speaker 2: what can we learn from the mistakes we went into
Speaker 2: some of the hires and things that decisions that we
Speaker 2: made that didn't work out. You know, because if you repeat,
Speaker 2: you repeat the same thing. That's a true definition of
Speaker 2: insanity if you expect a different result. Awful for the
Speaker 2: fan base.
Speaker 4: But and I've always said this, and I think people
Speaker 4: roll their eyes at it because where I get my
Speaker 4: checks from. But Woody Johnson is committed to putting a
Speaker 4: winner on the field. He wants it just as bad
Speaker 4: as anybody's going to the stadium on Sunday or buying
Speaker 4: a sweatshirt or you know, taking their kid out to
Speaker 4: training camp.
Speaker 5: He wants it bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's never been a lack of want to write.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you know, you can want something a lot,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't guarantee it.
Speaker 3: So you just have to say, listen, how do I
Speaker 3: get it right?
Speaker 2: Like like I said, it's many examples of many organizations
Speaker 2: that they flipped it. They flipped it that that you
Speaker 2: know didn't have it together for a while, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, And they figured it out, and you
Speaker 2: just keep you know, you keep swinging, you keep getting up,
Speaker 2: you keep analyzing, you keep getting all the information you
Speaker 2: can do to be a high, high percentage decision maker.
Speaker 5: All right, So let's get inside the games.
Speaker 4: Dolphins schematically while the Jets moved the ball big time,
Speaker 4: against the Dolphins in that first meeting. They should have
Speaker 4: won if we go back to that late game situation.
Speaker 3: When they had the ball.
Speaker 4: Garrett wasn't in a huge game. You're talking about Deavonte
Speaker 4: Brisall didn't even play that first meeting. Dolphins though when
Speaker 4: you look at.
Speaker 5: Him statistically, their defense spent pretty solid this year.
Speaker 3: But Jets got after him in the first May. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean styles make fights, and you know, you know,
Speaker 2: certain teams you may have better matchups.
Speaker 1: With, right, Garrett got after Jalen Ramsey that first.
Speaker 2: Man, right, and now you know you look at you know,
Speaker 2: Davante's more locked in as well, So you picked your
Speaker 2: poison that way. Uh, I think Brice should get some
Speaker 2: touches you know in the past game, but also running the.
Speaker 3: Ball right, and you have to mix it up, right.
Speaker 2: This is a team that has good players. But you know,
Speaker 2: I think they still you know, lack at the linebacker position, right,
Speaker 2: you know, opportunities they don't have, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: great defensive tackles. They got Khalasis Campbell, who's the mountain
Speaker 2: of a man still playing at a high level. I
Speaker 2: still don't know if they well, I think they held
Speaker 2: on to him because it was a report that they
Speaker 2: were going to release him so he can get picked.
Speaker 2: I know I saw that body. But now when they
Speaker 2: legend we have hilarion. Yeah, so now it's like, ah,
Speaker 2: let's hold on. Yeah yeah, better I.
Speaker 3: Wonder what happens because you can't release him out of
Speaker 3: his game. So I know he's like, man, we better win. Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 4: Defensively, Jets going against Dolphins too, did not play last
Speaker 4: week Tyler Huntley play. What kind of changes do you
Speaker 4: anticipate from the Jets because you know that Tua is
Speaker 4: not going to take off while he get down exactly history.
Speaker 4: But Huntley, he's a thrown on the ground. He got
Speaker 4: into the end zone last week against the Brons, and
Speaker 4: he can keep plays a lift.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean that that just tells you what you
Speaker 3: can and can't do.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can't go cover one because he sees that
Speaker 2: he's just going to turn off take off, So you
Speaker 2: got to maybe have a spy air for him. You
Speaker 2: got to understand that the RPO game, he's a legitimate
Speaker 2: threat to keep the ball if you you know, if
Speaker 2: you don't pay him any attention, you just flattening it
Speaker 2: down to the dive play out of run play, you know,
Speaker 2: so you got to be able to you know, have
Speaker 2: a plan for him then, so it creates more preparation time.
Speaker 6: Would you zone it up more back then, well you can,
Speaker 6: you can zone it up, but when you go man,
Speaker 6: you still want to be able to get hands on
Speaker 6: guys and have help over the top, and you know,
Speaker 6: see if you can stop this run game with a
Speaker 6: light box, but you want to be able to have
Speaker 6: you know, multiple people out there so that if he
Speaker 6: does that, you make him play.
Speaker 4: I know people are looking ahead, but I just want
Speaker 4: to ask you from the game plan perspective. The Dolphins
Speaker 4: got after the Jets with their screen game in that
Speaker 4: first meeting, Yeah, what did the Jets have to do
Speaker 4: as a counter because we saw that, especially in overtime,
Speaker 4: Jonathan Smith didn't do anything throughout those first four quarters.
Speaker 5: Then he took over the game in the fifth quarter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and you know they may start the
Speaker 2: game off that way, right because you know, tight ends
Speaker 2: are using you know, big match mismatches because of their
Speaker 2: size and speed and also his ability, like like really
Speaker 2: the biggest thing and the theme of the year for
Speaker 2: me has been, you know, when you're a blocker and
Speaker 2: you get beat, you turn around and become the receiver. Right,
Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, damn if you do, damn
Speaker 2: if you don't, if you're a defender, because you feel
Speaker 2: like you need a bull rusher upon him because you
Speaker 2: just beat him off the back, he just turns around
Speaker 2: to be a wide open guy. Yeah, so I feel
Speaker 2: like you maybe have to switch it up. Have guys
Speaker 2: on the second level that's responsible for him. You got
Speaker 2: to have good eyes because you know you saw the
Speaker 2: other day. I mean even yesterday you saw the port
Speaker 2: with the lions and you saw a kiddo sneaking out
Speaker 2: trying to block and then hold and hold it.
Speaker 3: We used to call it the old it play.
Speaker 2: And like guys are kind of just doing that and
Speaker 2: throwback because they're saying, go ahead, beat me, beat me.
Speaker 3: Like guys, so you don't know what to do, Like
Speaker 3: you don't know do I hit him? Do I hold
Speaker 3: on to him? So what do you do?
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm making sure that the person that's responsible
Speaker 2: for him is a person behind him that if I'm
Speaker 2: going man and man, I got somebody for him. I
Speaker 2: don't have somebody like I don't want you like like
Speaker 2: we used to call it green dog. I don't really
Speaker 2: want you green dog, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: because I rather like like you be able from distance
Speaker 2: to kind of see the whole picture, because you get
Speaker 2: too close to sometimes you forget it. A lot of
Speaker 2: these big plays has been one of those block block blocks.
Speaker 2: Oh let me go get the quarterback. Oh you beat me?
Speaker 2: Oh you beat them. Legitimately, they catch the ball and
Speaker 2: then they run for forty yards because everybody else is
Speaker 2: tied up.
Speaker 3: Man the man this guy's running. Nobody knows he even
Speaker 3: has the ball, which Dolphins.
Speaker 4: Can't get off in this game. TYREEQ Waddell, hn Smith?
Speaker 4: Which guy you circling?
Speaker 2: I would say, h ad because if you can't stop
Speaker 2: the run, then you got to put more resources. That
Speaker 2: opens up for everybody because that means now you got
Speaker 2: eight men in the box and it's creating all these
Speaker 2: you know, outside one on ones.
Speaker 3: You don't want that. But this team has way too
Speaker 3: much speed.
Speaker 1: Kind of a weird atmosphere.
Speaker 4: Do you expect the Sunday more imperative than ever for
Speaker 4: the gets.
Speaker 5: For the Jets get on them?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Well you think that. You know they're gonna they're
Speaker 3: gonna be fighting for their lives.
Speaker 2: You know, especially if what happens, you know, you know
Speaker 2: what we think going to happen happens. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, the Jets have to get out
Speaker 2: to a fast start, keep the crowd out of it.
Speaker 3: But you know this is going to be a four
Speaker 3: quarter fight for sure. Four quarter fight. Well, I'm not
Speaker 3: going to fight you right now. Go bring me back though,