Speaker 1: Hey guys, it's Sammy j I am so excited for
Speaker 1: this episode. In this episode, I had the amazing Phineas
Speaker 1: on my podcast. He and his sister Billie Eilish are
Speaker 1: just rewriting the record books on how you create and
Speaker 1: distribute music. Just take a look at what they did
Speaker 1: at the Grammy's last week, winning a total of ten
Speaker 1: Grammys between the two of them. We spoke backstage at
Speaker 1: a concert where some twenty thousand people were waiting to
Speaker 1: hear him and Billy take the stage. It was just
Speaker 1: prior to their record breaking Grammy name and twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: were incredible years for Phineas and Billy, just completely changing
Speaker 1: their lives. How has it changed, what have they learned
Speaker 1: from it? And what didn't they see coming? Is where
Speaker 1: we started our conversation. That's really interesting. Um, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't really feel like anything in my life, especially
Speaker 1: on the day to day level, is the same as
Speaker 1: it was eighteen months ago. Like eight months everything I
Speaker 1: think everything was and then I mean, but that could
Speaker 1: be sort of said about like the red I'm twenty two,
Speaker 1: so that was eighteen months ago, was twenty you know.
Speaker 1: I mean there's like you could you could kind of
Speaker 1: say that in just those years of your life. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it has so much to do with
Speaker 1: the things that have happened in Arrow, because you also
Speaker 1: grow as a person. It's hard to exact months ago
Speaker 1: your fifteen, right, you know, weird, that's pretty wild, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're I'm assuming you're basically a completely different
Speaker 1: person now than you were at fifteen. Yeah, different person
Speaker 1: than I was like a year ago. I know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that's a are you do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're a nostalgic Do you miss like
Speaker 1: being a little kid at all? Oh? Yeah, Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: I've been rewatching Hannah Montana with like all of my ods,
Speaker 1: and it makes me happy because you know, you remember,
Speaker 1: you feel that innocence again. But like I'm trying not
Speaker 1: to go too deep down it because then you're just
Speaker 1: like living in the past. Yeah, that's really interesting. Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: I love that you brought that up because it's such
Speaker 1: a good example of like nostalgia factor. Yeah, everyone's on there,
Speaker 1: like even Stevens and the sand Lot, Wizards of Waverly
Speaker 1: Place and you know all that stuff, which is Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so fun to revisit that stuff because you get
Speaker 1: to feel but it's like, like, I think there are
Speaker 1: certain elements of that. And my girlfriend and I've both
Speaker 1: done this where you show your significant other or just
Speaker 1: your close friend a thing that bear like significance in
Speaker 1: your childhood and you watch it with like the eyes
Speaker 1: of a of a seventeen year old or a twenty
Speaker 1: two year old, and you you see all the flaws
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's like you look over at your
Speaker 1: friends watching it for the first time and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. I don't know if this is good
Speaker 1: or if I just liked it when I was five.
Speaker 1: I know, but I will say Swevon Zack and Cody
Speaker 1: and Hannah Montana does hold up. No it doesn't. Yes,
Speaker 1: it does. It absolutely does not. I disagree with you completely.
Speaker 1: Well you're seventeen, Yeah, that's true. I'm still in it.
Speaker 1: I was whatever, like eight when those shows, Disney Show,
Speaker 1: those shows. I loved those shows. Yeah. Yeah, do you
Speaker 1: know that Jason Roles, the brother of Hannah Montana, was
Speaker 1: like thirty five when they were filming it. I remember
Speaker 1: finding that out like like the third or fourth season
Speaker 1: and got so weirded out by it. Crazy right, It
Speaker 1: like freaks you out. It does kind of freak you
Speaker 1: out because in the show he's like seventeen I remember,
Speaker 1: and this is, you know, much respect to Jason Earles.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to slander him. But my friend Katie
Speaker 1: McCarry worked at a diner and she was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jason Earles comes into the diner a lot, and he
Speaker 1: always wears like like a baseball cap and like sunglasses
Speaker 1: in his hood up and I'm always like, dude, chill out.
Speaker 1: You're not that famous. But you know what, if he
Speaker 1: feels good, that's all that matters. But I think that
Speaker 1: is sort of the the implication that he that he's
Speaker 1: self conscious and he doesn't want people bother you know
Speaker 1: what I mean that he's like basically in this guy.
Speaker 1: And her point was like, how many people are gonna
Speaker 1: bother like like a post Hannah Montana man, I totally would, right, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I'm he's trying to hide from me. Yeah, maybe he's
Speaker 1: just grow a beard, a gray beard of a forty
Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, he's probably that age now. He was
Speaker 1: he had kids and a wife during the show. Stop
Speaker 1: yeah crazy, right, you're like shattering my hand in one
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Wow, it's a coming of age moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what I'm saying. You can't know these things?
Speaker 1: To go back and watch it. It It doesn't hold up,
Speaker 1: that's true. Wow, oh my god. What I'm still processing that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But and then I mean, but we uh Billy and
Speaker 1: Claude and I watched the final I'd never one of
Speaker 1: those things where like, I guess I grew up faster
Speaker 1: than the show was airing. And the other day we're like,
Speaker 1: how did Wizards Wherever the Place end? And we watched
Speaker 1: like the final two episodes of the show. Do you
Speaker 1: want me to spoiler alert of this podcast? Um, Alex
Speaker 1: wins the wizard competition and gets to keep the powers,
Speaker 1: and then Justin becomes the headmaster of the school at
Speaker 1: like eighteen years old, and he also gets to keep
Speaker 1: his powers. And Max just takes over the family sandwich
Speaker 1: shop and is and is so good, completely stoked about it,
Speaker 1: can't believe his luck. Clearly, and and the parents in
Speaker 1: the show when you rewatch it, clearly play favoritism. Think
Speaker 1: the other two kids are brilliant. Think Max is a
Speaker 1: real dud. Really don't root for him at all, don't
Speaker 1: give him the support. Yeah, it was sad made sad
Speaker 1: for him. What's just moving on from? Because I can't
Speaker 1: focus on ruining any more of my childhood memories? Um?
Speaker 1: How many songs do you write? A hear? That's an
Speaker 1: interesting question. I don't really count, um if you had
Speaker 1: to estimate from nineteen Um, I mean it depends. We
Speaker 1: One of the funny things about especially the way that
Speaker 1: I work with Billy is we don't we don't A
Speaker 1: lot of the time artists will write like forty songs
Speaker 1: and then put out like a twelve song album, and
Speaker 1: we just we just make the songs that end up
Speaker 1: coming out. We sort of it's a little bit like
Speaker 1: writing a script for a movie or something like. We
Speaker 1: just write a beginning in the middle and an end
Speaker 1: and then and then and then we work on those
Speaker 1: until we're really satisfied with them. So, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: there weren't there weren't like tons of songs during the
Speaker 1: when we all fall asleep writing period that that didn't
Speaker 1: come out. We just were writing those songs and then
Speaker 1: and then recording them and working on them and fixing lines. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know, I sort of I write a little
Speaker 1: bit like, Um, you might like if you were like
Speaker 1: a marathon runner, you'd like you'd try to keep running
Speaker 1: regularly to keep your like stamina up, I guess, And
Speaker 1: I kind of try to write songs in that fashion,
Speaker 1: where like, if I have a week where I haven't
Speaker 1: written a song, I feel like I'm getting lazy. So
Speaker 1: I'll go sit down right and see you do it
Speaker 1: at least once a week. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think oftentimes a song is kind of like
Speaker 1: a one sitting thing to take psycho about an hour
Speaker 1: or two, and then sometimes like I get somewhere and
Speaker 1: then I revisited over long periods of time, like I
Speaker 1: Love You as like a one a one night song.
Speaker 1: Such a good song, Thanks so much. I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you like it. It's so beautiful, and I think it's
Speaker 1: just one of the song that's timeless. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, Well, that's that. I mean.
Speaker 1: I can't say that about my own stuff, but it
Speaker 1: really means a lot that you say that. Um, I think, Hubris.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of the many things the Internet
Speaker 1: doesn't really like about people. It's just people bragging with themselves,
Speaker 1: which people do a lot on the internet, But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that song. That song was like a one
Speaker 1: night song. I'm trying to think of like a long
Speaker 1: like Elo Milow on Billy's record took forever, Like that
Speaker 1: was a song that we had like some melodies for
Speaker 1: like how long would you say that to, like a
Speaker 1: couple of months, but not like sitting down and working
Speaker 1: on it every day. We just would We would try
Speaker 1: it out and sort of see if we had any
Speaker 1: good ideas and kind of not have any good ideas.
Speaker 1: And then one day we had some of the melodies
Speaker 1: worked out, and then Billy was like on a flight
Speaker 1: to i think fashion Week or something, and on the
Speaker 1: plane had really good ideas and sent them to me
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, those are amazing. So you
Speaker 1: do it all on your computer? Uh huh Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no there's no cool notebooks or napkins or fogged up
Speaker 1: glass on a car window for me to show lyrics.
Speaker 1: It's all iPhone. Use an app called evernote on my iPhone,
Speaker 1: and then just same thing on a computer. I think
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that you know where when we all
Speaker 1: fall asleep, where do we go? It's it blew up
Speaker 1: and it became a cultural moment just that album. It's insane.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy to think that you did it all
Speaker 1: like via your just laptop? And super crazy because people
Speaker 1: would think you needed like a high tech studio, but
Speaker 1: you really don't. I know, it's very wild, and I
Speaker 1: mean really, I hope it's really empowering for kids that
Speaker 1: you know are in the same I was trying to
Speaker 1: explain this to a person yesterday that like when I
Speaker 1: first started recording music myself, like sitting at my own
Speaker 1: computer recording it, I think I was like fifteen, and
Speaker 1: like I knews like like a zero point zero, Like
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about it, and even like figuring out
Speaker 1: the right terms to Google to find out how to
Speaker 1: start recording was complicated, even going like how to plug
Speaker 1: microphone into computer like people like, it was just I
Speaker 1: was at like ground zero, and so it took so
Speaker 1: long for me to learn anything. And I think hopefully
Speaker 1: just in the um seven year since I was fifteen,
Speaker 1: probably because you know, way more young people are producing
Speaker 1: music themselves even then then. You know, My hope is
Speaker 1: that information is really easy to access for kids and
Speaker 1: that they don't feel like someone else holds the the
Speaker 1: secret ingredient because I definitely felt that way. I definitely
Speaker 1: felt like the grown ups knew what they were doing
Speaker 1: and I was just a kid and I had stupid ideas.
Speaker 1: But like that's changing now. I feel like I think
Speaker 1: I hope so, Yeah, I really hope so because I
Speaker 1: think I mean the stuff I'm the most impressed by,
Speaker 1: like myself as a producer and other producers like you know,
Speaker 1: apologies to my like like old older producer friends who
Speaker 1: are all brilliant, Like all the stuff I'm really impressed by,
Speaker 1: it's like made by like sixteen year olds these days,
Speaker 1: because like SoundCloud, like so many incredible people are on
Speaker 1: there and some only have like views. Isn't that crazy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's like where I get the most excited. It's when
Speaker 1: I find something brand new. Yeah, Like modern technology is
Speaker 1: so cool. My brothers in college and he started just
Speaker 1: making music with his friends via his computer, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, go you like right, Yeah? Is college the
Speaker 1: thing you think you want to go to? YEA? Why? Um?
Speaker 1: I think for me, I think like traditional like school,
Speaker 1: it's not for me, Like I go to high school,
Speaker 1: but like my brain doesn't necessarily like test this this,
Speaker 1: Like my I'm a very creative person. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: like to you know, I like to sew. I like
Speaker 1: to do a bunch of fun stuff, and it's it's
Speaker 1: hard when everyone's like, oh my god, I have to
Speaker 1: get like an a and people are crying over two
Speaker 1: because it was in a test. And I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when you you have to kind of put things into perspective,
Speaker 1: and I feel like, you know, doing this podcast, it
Speaker 1: kind of has for me like knowing what really is
Speaker 1: important to me, and I think going to school is
Speaker 1: important to me. Um. For me, I just feel like
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to do just like math and reading,
Speaker 1: which is great for some people, like my brother loves that,
Speaker 1: but I think I'd want to go to very like
Speaker 1: creative arts interesting just to learn more than what I can.
Speaker 1: I guess I find that all interesting because you're essentially
Speaker 1: saying you want to go to college but you're not
Speaker 1: interested in scholastics, which I'm not either, But I never
Speaker 1: wanted to go to college. So anytime I meet someone
Speaker 1: who's interested in the arts, because I love learning though
Speaker 1: that's the thing, well yeah no, but I love learning
Speaker 1: in um the sense of with a bunch of other people,
Speaker 1: and I think it's so funny. If I can give
Speaker 1: you one piece of advice, I think you already seem
Speaker 1: very creative and very thoughtful and and like you have
Speaker 1: a real sort of awareness of who you are as
Speaker 1: a person. And I always worry that when people go
Speaker 1: to art schools they're too willing to have other people
Speaker 1: tell them what's wrong with their art. And I would,
Speaker 1: I would encourage you not to let people boss you around.
Speaker 1: You go to go to art school. Tons of people
Speaker 1: have come out of art school and I had a
Speaker 1: wonderful time. But just don't let people tell you that
Speaker 1: your art is not good, because I've had friends that
Speaker 1: have had that happen. It's all about interpretation, Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't exactly exactly, they'll interpret it, and they might they
Speaker 1: might give you an ide you that's interesting that you
Speaker 1: can try. But if they just don't get it, then
Speaker 1: you get you have to go like, well, I understand
Speaker 1: what I made and you don't understand what I made.
Speaker 1: What do you think your favorite part of social media
Speaker 1: is and what do you hate about it the most?
Speaker 1: Because it can be really great and really awful at
Speaker 1: the same time. Well, I think I feel like you
Speaker 1: know we in our specific instance, the whole reason that
Speaker 1: we have careers because of our sort of social media
Speaker 1: platform that we've been able to stand on and broadcast
Speaker 1: our music too. So so I feel sort of entirely
Speaker 1: indebted to social media. Um. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 1: definitely like I've been a sort of a leveling field
Speaker 1: for other forms of media and entertainment. And I think
Speaker 1: that's like a good and a bad thing in certain ways,
Speaker 1: because people aren't able to like really control the narrative
Speaker 1: of something. And I think that's that's a positive thing,
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes it's a negative thing because just
Speaker 1: means that people's random opinions and hot takes of things
Speaker 1: are taken as seriously as sort of fact. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of yes. But I think in general,
Speaker 1: the Internet, you know, provided everyone in this room with
Speaker 1: like career opportunities. So I think that is really excitingly true.
Speaker 1: I think there are so many pros and cons to it.
Speaker 1: And then if you think about I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: feels like they have an opinion on the Internet. It's
Speaker 1: like they feel the need to share that I so
Speaker 1: agree with you, and it's it really like annoys me, like,
Speaker 1: and I think the the example I give it, and
Speaker 1: this isn't the Internet, but like I was watching a movie.
Speaker 1: I think I was watching like Captain America at one time.
Speaker 1: We've never seen it in a movie theater a friend
Speaker 1: of mine and there was a trailer for I think
Speaker 1: the movie A Red Sparrow in the like that was
Speaker 1: the trailer running, and my friend leaned over to me
Speaker 1: and he was like, I'm not a really, I'm not
Speaker 1: a Jennifer Lawrence fan. And I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: do you want me to tell her? Who cares? If
Speaker 1: you're she's a bazillionaire and also incredible and also like
Speaker 1: you're just sitting here having in a pit. And to me,
Speaker 1: that's like the distillation of like a lot of what
Speaker 1: like internet reviews of things like I don't yeah, Like
Speaker 1: what do you came from saying that? Um? I think
Speaker 1: I think people feel a certain way and then feel
Speaker 1: like they're they're unique for sharing the way that they feel.
Speaker 1: It's an odd thing, I mean, But then I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people, like in my life, the like
Speaker 1: bonding points to me in my life are more negative
Speaker 1: than positive, Like if I if I dislike something the
Speaker 1: same amount as someone else, like I can't stand like
Speaker 1: like styrofoam being like touched kind of in any way,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, when you try to break
Speaker 1: styrofrom up put it in a trash can or something
Speaker 1: that like, that's my like nails on a chalkboard. When
Speaker 1: I found someone else that like hates that also, I'm like,
Speaker 1: wow that we have to bond over. It's like but
Speaker 1: it's like, negatives are more potent than positives. I think.
Speaker 1: I think if you go I love the Beatles, someone
Speaker 1: else because oh my god, me too, it's one thing.
Speaker 1: But if you go like I hate someone, so another
Speaker 1: person goes, oh, I also don't like their music at all?
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, isn't it interesting? Yeah? How do you
Speaker 1: feel if you know, since you've really seen a lot
Speaker 1: of music and the Internet can go like ham on
Speaker 1: everyone's opinions, how do you keep it in a healthy
Speaker 1: way and have a healthy relationship with social media? I
Speaker 1: have a super unhealthy relationship with the Internet. A lot
Speaker 1: of the Internet loves the stuff that we've made, and
Speaker 1: if they hated it, I would be depressed based so
Speaker 1: much of my self worth on the Internet. It's bad.
Speaker 1: That's so many people in the fact that you actually
Speaker 1: say it, so many people are like no, I know,
Speaker 1: people love to pretend that they would be fine with that.
Speaker 1: And I like whenever someone gets like and public shaming
Speaker 1: is one thing, because oftentimes that's actually correlated with someone
Speaker 1: doing something reprehensible, right like saying something racist forever and
Speaker 1: then they get public shame. And I think that's in
Speaker 1: certain terms kind of healthy. You go like, there's the
Speaker 1: consequence for from it. But then there are cases like
Speaker 1: when like Friday came out like the Rebecca Black song,
Speaker 1: and she immediately got death threats and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's so crazy at like the dislikes on that video.
Speaker 1: It's like she was a teenager. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and Rebecca is a friend of mine, and it's it's
Speaker 1: you know, she's when I first met her. I tried
Speaker 1: to just sort of leave her alone about it because
Speaker 1: I'm the same age as her. So when I was thirteen,
Speaker 1: she was thirteen in that video came out, and I
Speaker 1: remember like when I was like nineteen I got to
Speaker 1: know her. I was like after a couple of days
Speaker 1: of now where I was like, I have to ask
Speaker 1: you some questions about how you dealt into it, because
Speaker 1: I was so I was so impressed. I think mainly
Speaker 1: it's like when you because I didn't ever have to
Speaker 1: nobody knew who I was at thirteen, When you're exposed
Speaker 1: to at such a young age, well then that's like
Speaker 1: when stuff is actually scary, like you read like death
Speaker 1: threats online and it's actually, you know, really concerning at
Speaker 1: that age because you don't know what to take seriously
Speaker 1: and what someone is just saying. But I think the
Speaker 1: kids that are have handled it in the most impressive fashion.
Speaker 1: I mean, now it's Greta Thunberg, but for the last
Speaker 1: two years it was it was the Parkland students, the
Speaker 1: Stonman Douglas High School students. Their response to everything and
Speaker 1: the amount of hatred came their way for you know,
Speaker 1: surviving a school shooting and the way they handled it
Speaker 1: and so wild. Kredith Thunberg, she's just amazing. And it
Speaker 1: blows my mind that all of these like grown ups
Speaker 1: are making like fun of and just being so rude
Speaker 1: to what she's sixteen. I think they're really like furthering
Speaker 1: her point. I think they're they're making her seem even
Speaker 1: even more powerful and and I think, like you know,
Speaker 1: in certain ways, like yeah, just just even stronger. And
Speaker 1: even more important in her cause and in her stance,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I I think it's hilarious if you
Speaker 1: if you were a person that would if you were
Speaker 1: a climate change denierr or you know whatever, and you
Speaker 1: spoke out against it's like you're you're valorizing their whole
Speaker 1: opinion exactly. Just crazy. Well, I'm gonna talk to your EPA.
Speaker 1: I just want to say I lost a friend. When
Speaker 1: I heard that. I was like, WHOA, Really, I went
Speaker 1: through a very sim my situation just slowly disintegrated. What
Speaker 1: how did you heal from that? Because it's really hard,
Speaker 1: It's so hard. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that you went
Speaker 1: through the same thing that I went through. And I
Speaker 1: feel like the thing that the song has taught me
Speaker 1: more than any other thing is just that so many
Speaker 1: people have because I guess I and part of the
Speaker 1: reason I wanted to write that song was was that
Speaker 1: I didn't you know when you like when you go
Speaker 1: through an emotional experience in your life and you know
Speaker 1: what song to put on to me, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I went through some breakup and like like when
Speaker 1: I was much younger, and I was like, I know
Speaker 1: that I want to listen to this song the Best
Speaker 1: of You by Food Fighters. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: know that that's how I'm feeling right now, and I guess,
Speaker 1: to me, the feeling of like a close personal friendship
Speaker 1: falling apart. I didn't have like a soundtrack to that,
Speaker 1: and so I just perfect song. I was like, I
Speaker 1: have to write it. But it's been it's been sobering
Speaker 1: and also sort of comforting that so many people go
Speaker 1: through that with their friends and have friendships that all apart.
Speaker 1: And I think the funny thing about a friendship falling
Speaker 1: apart is oftentimes if it's your best friend, they've been
Speaker 1: with you through all the other relationship. Well, but it's
Speaker 1: like when you have the best friend there, they were
Speaker 1: there with you through the breakup and everything, you know.
Speaker 1: So anyway, writing that song, I mean that was helpful
Speaker 1: in the healing process of going through that. And I mean,
Speaker 1: in my specific instance, I was able to reconnect with
Speaker 1: with my friend and we're you know, we're close again.
Speaker 1: But I've I've also had friendships in my life fall
Speaker 1: apart and have not been able to, you know, reconcile
Speaker 1: them for whatever reason. And that's really tough because you
Speaker 1: don't get a sense of closure. So that's really tough.
Speaker 1: But you know, my hope is that you know, people
Speaker 1: understand that, like they're they're usually not to blame or blameless. Really,
Speaker 1: it's kind of everything happens for a reason. I truly
Speaker 1: believe that. Interesting, do you believe that? Really? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: I don't. There's too much super sad, that's true. I'm
Speaker 1: in my bubble though right now, right yeah. I think
Speaker 1: on a kind of a personal like whatever like destiny
Speaker 1: means to a person, you can kind of let that
Speaker 1: and you go like wow, if I'm not talking about
Speaker 1: the wider world, okay, well then yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 1: If you're in your personal life, you go like, wow,
Speaker 1: if I hadn't made that one mistake, I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: ended up here. And this is the greatest you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like one of those funny things.
Speaker 1: If that thing that I wanted more than anything had
Speaker 1: worked out, I wouldn't have gotten anything. It was even better.
Speaker 1: But then there's like you just get to a place
Speaker 1: where you're like, oh, there's like that kid was born
Speaker 1: with brain cancer, and you're just like everything happens for reasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the stuff that just doesn't make sense in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think on a personal level, I think that's a
Speaker 1: comforting thing to think in your life. So in the future,
Speaker 1: when you probably win many Grammys, many more albums, how
Speaker 1: do you want to be remembered as an artist? That's
Speaker 1: so interesting? Wow, that's so cool. I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: I would compare, you know, any music that I'm making
Speaker 1: to the importance of the music that I loved when
Speaker 1: I was younger. Um, and I guess to the importance
Speaker 1: of music that I love now. But I feel like, really,
Speaker 1: when you're like ten to twenty is like when you're
Speaker 1: just when you're deciding your your real taste in in
Speaker 1: art and in sort of what you're consuming, and you
Speaker 1: you form real opinions and you and you really feel
Speaker 1: heard and seen and your your I mean, ten to
Speaker 1: twenty is like all your first you're going through like
Speaker 1: every like real emotion and emotional experience for the first time,
Speaker 1: and a lot of that music carries you through those
Speaker 1: I think to me, like anytime anyone tells me that
Speaker 1: they've had experience with my music that I can then
Speaker 1: relate to like an experience I had with music growing
Speaker 1: up or a live show. That's that's plenty for me.
Speaker 1: So I guess, you know, just just little things like
Speaker 1: that are kind of more meaningful and make me feel
Speaker 1: the most joy is hearing you know how how music
Speaker 1: resonates with people. You know, music is insane, which is
Speaker 1: what it does and how it affects people. I think
Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's one of the few art forms
Speaker 1: that fits into like every other art form, right, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's you know, it's it's so sort of universal, which
Speaker 1: is really exciting. Well, just congratulations on the best, and
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