Speaker 1: Welcome to Fantasy Football Weekly, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Time now for Fantasy Football Weekly from iHeartRadio, your weekly
Speaker 2: source for the nation's best fantasy football advice, speculation, and
Speaker 2: whatever stupid stuff they decided to drop into the show.
Speaker 2: Now here's your host, Paul Chargion.
Speaker 1: It's another edition of Fantasy Football Weekly. My co host
Speaker 1: today Matt Harrison. Hey, Matt, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 1: It's only been a couple of weeks for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's only been a couple of weeks for me.
Speaker 3: A couple of big weeks for you, though, as you're
Speaker 3: now fully in that state with all we can you know,
Speaker 3: right angles on everything.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I'm going to see our other co host,
Speaker 1: Scott fish this weekend. It's the first Scott fish Bowl
Speaker 1: live event of the year is coming this weekend. He's
Speaker 1: flying to Las Vegas. I'm driving to Las Vegas. We'll
Speaker 1: have our first opportunity to uh to draft our Scott
Speaker 1: fish Bowl teams and not.
Speaker 3: Feeling mostually unprepared, I do I draft right now.
Speaker 1: I prepared because he's got of course, he's got all
Speaker 1: the weird scoring system stuff and this this year is
Speaker 1: all about just like usage you're just looking for guys
Speaker 1: who get the ball in their hand as much as
Speaker 1: you can. I'm hoping the Fantasy Life cheat sheet is
Speaker 1: going to be of a supreme help here the the
Speaker 1: I have not done my I've done my own season
Speaker 1: long rankings, but not attuned to the Scott fish Bowl
Speaker 1: scoring system.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the Scott fish Bowl is always the one
Speaker 3: for me that it catches me off guard every year,
Speaker 3: like it's like, oh, no studying, because it's always like
Speaker 3: right after the fourth of July and everything, and I'm
Speaker 3: usually coming back from a family trip and I haven't
Speaker 3: really dug into fantasy football for the season yet, and
Speaker 3: so it's always It's always a fun one for me.
Speaker 3: But I have a new strategy this year charge since
Speaker 3: for about the last five years, my Scott fish Bowl
Speaker 3: team has just been plagued by this curse. And it's
Speaker 3: every player I draft get hurt, retires, Andrew Luck retire
Speaker 3: on me like the day after I drafted him, all
Speaker 3: that stuff. So I decided this year as as a
Speaker 3: Minnesota Vikings fan, yeah, drafting at the live draft in
Speaker 3: Minnesota in the Minnesota Vikings Division, mind you right, that
Speaker 3: I will only be taking NFC North teams that are
Speaker 3: not the Vikings.
Speaker 1: You're taking all Bears, Packers, and Lions.
Speaker 3: I'm going to bring. I might sprinkle in an Eagle
Speaker 3: in there or a ram or something like that, but
Speaker 3: I think I'm just gonna take highest adp guy within
Speaker 3: from those teams.
Speaker 1: I think you should go hardcore and do only those
Speaker 1: three teams.
Speaker 3: It would it would be really funny.
Speaker 1: It would be funny. Your teams won't do any worse
Speaker 1: than they've done in the past.
Speaker 3: So oh yeah, and if I curse them all, it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Do any of them share a bye week because that
Speaker 1: would be a problem.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be an issue. So I might have to,
Speaker 3: you know, in the twentieth round of the draft, might
Speaker 3: have to, you know, go off the board a little bit, right,
Speaker 3: But I think I will probably stay completely in the NFC.
Speaker 3: And it's not a secret. I told everybody in my
Speaker 3: draft that I was doing this, so they know what's coming.
Speaker 1: I go NFC north Man, go hardcore on, just lean
Speaker 1: into this thing. That's my advice. Yeah, that's my advice.
Speaker 1: On this week's show, we are talking about older players
Speaker 1: and can we ring one more good year out of
Speaker 1: these aged players? Who've been good. These are in some
Speaker 1: cases players that are potentially even like Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: level players. Can we get one more good year out
Speaker 1: of these guys? Man, we'll both do a thumbs up
Speaker 1: thumbs downs. We'll see how many we agree on disagree.
Speaker 1: I bet we're going right here in a little bit
Speaker 1: of Cisco and Ebert. Do you think the kids know
Speaker 1: who Ciskel and Ebert are?
Speaker 3: Not A chance?
Speaker 1: No chance?
Speaker 3: Okay, I would guess there's not too many kids listening
Speaker 3: to this show.
Speaker 1: That's probably true.
Speaker 3: Our demo is a little older.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's probably true. They've probably I'd like to
Speaker 1: think people our listeners have grown up with us, gotten
Speaker 1: ranked with us, scotten overweight.
Speaker 3: Understanding that like churches, the Aura Maxer or something like that,
Speaker 3: you know, like then it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Do I want to
Speaker 1: be an Aura max.
Speaker 3: In Skibbety all that stuff. I'm just repeating stuff my kids,
Speaker 3: your kids say.
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: what any of that means. I'm sorry to say. I
Speaker 1: guess that makes me really word all right? We begin
Speaker 1: with Houston running back Joe Mixon we're going to go
Speaker 1: youngest to oldest. By the way, this is the youngest
Speaker 1: player we're going to talk about. He's aged twenty nine.
Speaker 1: He's had two thousand, three hundred career touches, so that's
Speaker 1: you know, the touches, obviously rushes and receptions. So can
Speaker 1: we ring out one more good year from Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: I will let you take the stage first match.
Speaker 3: Well, last year, I thought since he let mix and
Speaker 3: walk because I thought that the Bengals knew that he
Speaker 3: was cooked. So all the preseason I was like, don't
Speaker 3: draft Joe Mix and don't draft Joe Mix and and
Speaker 3: I looked like I had some egg on my face
Speaker 3: for the first two months of the year because despite
Speaker 3: even missing a couple of games in weeks three through
Speaker 3: five through Week eleven, Mixon had six one hundred yard
Speaker 3: rushing days and it scored eleven touchdowns. He looked awesome.
Speaker 3: He was thriving in an offense that really had some
Speaker 3: noted offensive line issues and vary those are still there,
Speaker 3: by the way, But then the gales of November turned
Speaker 3: gloomy there.
Speaker 4: Reference then, Yeah, from Week twelve through the Texans two
Speaker 4: playoff games, Mixon averaged fifteen carries per game and only
Speaker 4: managed fifty six yards per game with stone could killers
Speaker 4: in the Fantasy playoffs, where he failed the top eight
Speaker 4: PPR points in weeks fifteen through seventeen.
Speaker 3: So all the people who rode him into the playoffs
Speaker 3: rowed right out of the playoffs if they were still
Speaker 3: on the back of Joe Mixon, because three point six
Speaker 3: yards per carry down the stretch. To me, I guess
Speaker 3: that's screams that he's done, Like stick a fork in him.
Speaker 3: So the other thing here is they signed Nick Chubb,
Speaker 3: who is also twenty nine years old and missed most
Speaker 3: of the last two years with a knee injury. And
Speaker 3: I've seen some of the videos of his rehab where
Speaker 3: he was jumping literally head into the ceiling tiles in
Speaker 3: the gym he was working out in. I feel like
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb and Joe Mixon are at least splitting carries
Speaker 3: this year, if not maybe worse. Maybe it goes in
Speaker 3: Nick Chubb's favor, because yeah, maybe he is a little
Speaker 3: bit more fresh off of basically two years of not
Speaker 3: having wear and tear on him.
Speaker 1: Right other than the reconstructive knee surgery, Yes, there was
Speaker 1: some tear and it's a literal tear, Yes, the wear
Speaker 1: and tear.
Speaker 3: So with that said, I'm just going to be out
Speaker 3: on Joe Mix and again if I'm wrong again, I
Speaker 3: feel like I jumped out a year two early than
Speaker 3: a year too late, and I'd rather do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have almost all the exact same talking points here.
Speaker 1: Texans offensive line that was bad last year doesn't look
Speaker 1: any bit better this year. I thought, I thought after
Speaker 1: they traded Laramie Tunsel, the Texans were going to do
Speaker 1: a massive overhaul. Nope. They ranked thirtieth in run block
Speaker 1: win rate last year, twenty seventh in PFF's run block rating,
Speaker 1: and honestly, talent wise, this line doesn't look much better.
Speaker 1: So there's that. You've very correctly noted how Mixon ran
Speaker 1: out of gas last year, and so the question, So
Speaker 1: last year ran out of gas in November December, So
Speaker 1: this year, a year older, does it turn into October
Speaker 1: November December? And you mentioned the Nick Chubb part. You
Speaker 1: and I are both no on Joe mix and ringing
Speaker 1: out another year. You know, I wish we had we
Speaker 1: don't have. I don't know with the sound of ringing
Speaker 1: out like of a mop, I don't we don't have
Speaker 1: like a splashy, watery sound. But what about ringing of
Speaker 1: a bell? Do we have a bell? Maybe that really
Speaker 1: I mean, that's Sad Trombonesky right there. Yes, yes, we
Speaker 1: don't need.
Speaker 3: To talk about Mitch Trubisky enough, no.
Speaker 1: Never anymore. And honestly, you know all the great nicknames
Speaker 1: we've had in the history of this show, Matt, I
Speaker 1: think I think Sad Trombonesky is right at or near
Speaker 1: the top. And maybe it's because I came up with
Speaker 1: that one, and I want to just self congratulate myself,
Speaker 1: but maybe that's it.
Speaker 3: I believe I was the one who coined the air
Speaker 3: bear terms that I'm Marshall for that.
Speaker 1: I have the Airbear T shirt I warded a couple
Speaker 1: of days ago. It is a good T shirt. That
Speaker 1: is a good T shirt, all right. Our next contestant,
Speaker 1: age thirty New Orleans running back Alvin Kamara two thousand,
Speaker 1: two hundred career touches and last year Camara in a
Speaker 1: really tough spot, quarterback goes down, all the wide receivers
Speaker 1: go down. Offensive line just battered, half of the offensive
Speaker 1: lines missing, and he was still shockingly good. He posted
Speaker 1: his highest yards per carry. In three seasons, he had
Speaker 1: an eighteen percent broken tackle rate, which isn't great, but
Speaker 1: that's exactly what Saquon Barkley had. James Cook had an
Speaker 1: eighteen percent broken tackle rate, so it's not terrible. Finished
Speaker 1: with his highest PFF grade in four seasons last year,
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara. And they did draft a new left tackle,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Banks. He'll be an immediate starter for the and
Speaker 1: hopefully an improvement. And you get Chris Alabby back, you
Speaker 1: give Rashid she Heed back. I still think given that
Speaker 1: we don't even know for sure who the quarterbacks going
Speaker 1: to be now, probably Tyler Shuck, but I think Kamara's
Speaker 1: gonna have to carry a lot of the burden again.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna get a lot of carries, and
Speaker 1: he looked good last year, So I'm on, yes, Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara ringing out one more good year. What say you, Matt?
Speaker 3: I have just kind of this general thing in the
Speaker 3: way that I draft for fantasy, and if you're an
Speaker 3: offense that I deemed to be a bottom five offense,
Speaker 3: I think normally yeah, and there's just too many things
Speaker 3: here that I just think are going against the Saints.
Speaker 3: I'm more out on him. On Kamara, just because I'm
Speaker 3: out on the Saints, I think he'll get the most
Speaker 3: touches on the team if he's healthy, Tyler Shuck, as
Speaker 3: you said the likely starter. That will cause a lot
Speaker 3: of touches for Alvin kam Yeah, for sure, but it
Speaker 3: will also cause a lot of eight or nine man
Speaker 3: boxes for Helen Kamara. And I just I feel like
Speaker 3: it will treat you well if you avoid the Saints roster.
Speaker 3: I don't think that you're going to be sad if
Speaker 3: you missed out on Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: All right, so we have we're split on this one.
Speaker 1: I'm a yes, you are a no on Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 1: I if he was via Fantasy valuable last year, it's
Speaker 1: hard to believe that this offense will be worse this year.
Speaker 1: For me. Let's go to age thirty Arizona running back
Speaker 1: James Connor one thousand and six hundred career touches. Matt,
Speaker 1: give me. I'll let you go first. On James Connor,
Speaker 1: can we ring out one more good year?
Speaker 3: Well, we've been trying to write him off for about
Speaker 3: five years now. Again, industry, everybody's just been sick of
Speaker 3: James Connor and this goes back to the I have
Speaker 3: this theory that guys with boring names nobody wants to draft,
Speaker 3: and James Connor is about the most boring name in football,
Speaker 3: especially for a running back. Alvin Kamara, that sounds cool,
Speaker 3: Joe Mixon, it's got an X in it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: James Connor. All he's done. As we've been trying to
Speaker 3: write him off, is responded with maybe his best two
Speaker 3: years as a pro. In the last two seasons. He's
Speaker 3: averaged five point zero and four point six yards per
Speaker 3: carry the last two years, top the one thousand rushing
Speaker 3: yards in both seasons. He scored nine times in each
Speaker 3: of the last two years. Charge he doesn't have a
Speaker 3: clear guy competing for touches because Trey Benson is is
Speaker 3: the biggest threat. He was the second running back drafted
Speaker 3: last year, but they only gave him like four touches
Speaker 3: per game last year, and Mari Demarcato and Michael Carter
Speaker 3: almost had the same number of touches as Trey Benson.
Speaker 3: So if Connor falls in drafts, and he's currently going
Speaker 3: in the early fifth round, and I think he will
Speaker 3: because he's old and he's got the boring name, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll take a flyer on him if he gets down
Speaker 3: to like the sixth round, for the seventh round in drafts.
Speaker 3: I think that that's great value there. And I think
Speaker 3: it's just going to be more of the same for
Speaker 3: James Connor until he actually does get hurt and then
Speaker 3: it's probably over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which hopefully we're not wishing for that whatsoever. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's I've got I've also got a Yes, we're gonna
Speaker 1: ring more and one more good year out of James
Speaker 1: Connor from many of the same points that you mentioned.
Speaker 1: He's coming off arguably the best season of his career
Speaker 1: last year in a lot of metrics, including avoided tackle rate.
Speaker 1: He was third best and avoided tackle rate last year,
Speaker 1: but number one if of of running backs at least
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty carries. You know, James Connor looked
Speaker 1: good and I don't know, I absolutely passed the eye test,
Speaker 1: the metric test. Now, Cardinals didn't change their offense at
Speaker 1: all last year this past offseason, so they rolling with
Speaker 1: the same offense like, no substantive changes whatsoever. But so
Speaker 1: I just think it's gonna be more of the same,
Speaker 1: which is just you know, consistent, good B level RB
Speaker 1: two levels of production for James Connord. We'll take it absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right. Last guy before the break, Miami wide receiver
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill is aged thirty one, Matt. He's got one
Speaker 1: thousand career touches. That includes some runs because he's run
Speaker 1: the ball a bit more than most wide receivers. Last year,
Speaker 1: Hill's play fell off a cliff, a totally different guy.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of people that are like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: TWA missed all that time, all right, yeah, two A
Speaker 1: missed five full games. But in the twelve games with
Speaker 1: Tua twelve, Hill was still not reliable at all. He
Speaker 1: only had two top ten finishes in those twelve games.
Speaker 1: He had five finishes at wide receiver thirty or worse.
Speaker 1: Last year, Tyreek posted a career low PFF grade. He
Speaker 1: had thirty eight fewer receptions than last year, eight hundred
Speaker 1: and forty fewer yards than the previous year. And for
Speaker 1: a guy who is known for explosive plays, his yards
Speaker 1: after the catch dropped to three point six per game
Speaker 1: up per catch. That's thirty fifth among starting wide outs.
Speaker 1: That's it. I mean, he's supposed to be like, just
Speaker 1: get the ball in his hands and magic happens with
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. Nothing happened after he got the ball in
Speaker 1: his hands. He got tackled. That's what happened.
Speaker 3: No magic.
Speaker 2: At all.
Speaker 1: Yep. He played all seventeen games. He posted six year
Speaker 1: lows in receptions, yards and explosive plays of twenty more yards.
Speaker 1: I do not think we're gonna ring one more good
Speaker 1: year out of Tyreek Hill. What do you think, Matt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're you're kind of dead on here.
Speaker 3: And I'll just to add for Tyreek Hill to be
Speaker 3: a success and to draft him where he's going ADP
Speaker 3: in the third round. It feels like you need to
Speaker 3: get twelve hundred dish yards and ten touchdowns out of
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill. That seems pretty fair. In an age thirty
Speaker 3: one season, those benchmarks have only been hit nine times
Speaker 3: by a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: That's it nice.
Speaker 3: Ever, in an age thirty one season, the most recent
Speaker 3: was ten years ago. What and it was Jordy Nelson.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's an awesome stat. So Jordy Nelson was the
Speaker 1: last thirty one year old receiver to hit twelve hundred
Speaker 1: yards and ten touchdowns.
Speaker 3: Correct, That's amazing. So it just doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 3: there anymore. It seems he almost had half of the
Speaker 3: receiving yards that he had the previous year. And oh,
Speaker 3: by the way, he played one one more game in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four than he did in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: I just think that the end is much closer than
Speaker 3: we anticipate, and for a speed guy like that, it
Speaker 3: just doesn't seem like it's gonna work out for him.
Speaker 3: I'd avoid Tyreek at all costs.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, at the cost is the third round.
Speaker 1: That's too rich for my blood as well. We are
Speaker 1: both a no on Tyreek Hill. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we'll start creeping into age thirty two seasons. Find out
Speaker 1: about this next and final batch of old men when
Speaker 1: we come back. Fantasy Football Weekly, Segment two Fantasy Football Weekly,
Speaker 1: Paul Charchi and Matt Harrison with you. We're talking through
Speaker 1: older players who have been very productive we hope will
Speaker 1: continue to be productive. But can we ring out one
Speaker 1: more good year from these guys? So far, Matt and
Speaker 1: I have agreed on three of our four previous players.
Speaker 1: We next turn our attention Matt to thirty two year
Speaker 1: old or soon to be thirty two year old Los
Speaker 1: Angeles Rams Wide receiver Davante Adams with oney twenty nine
Speaker 1: career touches. What do you think about Davante Adams? Can
Speaker 1: we ring out one more good year?
Speaker 3: So I mean I could run back kind of the
Speaker 3: same stats about Tyreek and attach them to Adams. But
Speaker 3: there's something else I want to mention. It's the new
Speaker 3: team bump. Oh, especially the new team bump you sat
Speaker 3: franchise like Joe Mixon did it last year. He had
Speaker 3: a nice little bump at the beginning of the year.
Speaker 3: So did Davante Adams when he was traded to the Jets.
Speaker 3: By the way, even Jerry Judy had a new bump
Speaker 3: last year. So new situations that teams that want you
Speaker 3: often bring some confidence and success. And Adams walks into
Speaker 3: a role vacated by Cooper Cup, and Cup averaged eight
Speaker 3: targets per game in a season where he just looked
Speaker 3: cooked and I couldn't get anything done anymore. Adams finished
Speaker 3: his wide receiver twelve last year. He's a wide receiver
Speaker 3: one in stats, and he's had success everywhere he's been,
Speaker 3: even with Gardner Minshew and other quarterbacks in Vegas. He's
Speaker 3: been successful wherever he's been. Stafford is accurate and competent
Speaker 3: enough for me to be interested. We're going to talk
Speaker 3: more about Stafford a little bit later, but I'm in
Speaker 3: on Devonte Adams.
Speaker 1: How are you? You're in on Adams? I am also
Speaker 1: in on Adams. This is the best offense he's been
Speaker 1: in since his Aaron Rodgers days, and I like, I've
Speaker 1: got a lot of the same talking points I Last
Speaker 1: year he looked good and last season posted a sixty
Speaker 1: percent catch rate, his highest level since his Green Bay
Speaker 1: days when he was catching from Aaron Rodgers. I think
Speaker 1: he gets a quarterback upgrade here. And he's not a
Speaker 1: pure slot receiver like Cooper Cup, but he runs from
Speaker 1: the slot enough that'll take some of those routes that
Speaker 1: you had mentioned the eight targets per game the Cooper
Speaker 1: Cup had when Cooper Cup was, as you may, and
Speaker 1: way more cooked than Devonte Adams. So he and he
Speaker 1: actually ran more slot routes last year Adams did than
Speaker 1: he did outside routes. So you know, I don't see
Speaker 1: the drop off comings. I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: sudden here. I think Adams gets one more good season,
Speaker 1: and with with Pukainakua drawing a lot of attention. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of one on one for DeVante Adams,
Speaker 1: and I think he's sitting on a nice season, so
Speaker 1: we both believe he's going to ring out another good season.
Speaker 1: Next up, age thirty five Kansas City tight end Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey twelve.
Speaker 3: Harder acting like these guys are so old.
Speaker 1: By the way, thirty five years old.
Speaker 3: I mean that's ten years younger than me.
Speaker 1: Well we are not. Well, you could be a professional ballplayer,
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I mean I think you absolutely
Speaker 1: have it inside you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I probably do.
Speaker 1: Kelsey had it sort of a gentle slide into not mediocrity,
Speaker 1: but he took a slide backwards last year. Although I'll
Speaker 1: credit him for staying healthy again. I mean, one of
Speaker 1: the most bankable qualities you get out of Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1: Dude stays healthy, he plays games. But just looking at
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey, you can see he's slowing down. And there's
Speaker 1: some metrics to back that up. Per next Gen stats,
Speaker 1: his yards per catch plummeted down to three point seven
Speaker 1: yards per catch. That's it, and that's awfully close the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. It's hard to be a fantasy factor
Speaker 1: when you're catching the ball four yards downfield. That's down
Speaker 1: from five and a half yards the year before that.
Speaker 3: And thank you.
Speaker 1: Kelsey's separation dropped from three point seven yards to three
Speaker 1: point two yards, so defenders are getting closer to him,
Speaker 1: which also suggests he's losing a little to speed, little
Speaker 1: to wiggle. And he fell from fifth to thirteenth an
Speaker 1: end zone target percentage, which explains why I only had
Speaker 1: three touchdowns in the regular season last year. So and
Speaker 1: here he is entering h thirty five. I mean, I
Speaker 1: just don't I just don't see a tight end at
Speaker 1: age thirty five reversing those trends. Matt, So, I am
Speaker 1: going to go no on Travis Kelcey will not ring
Speaker 1: out another good season. What do you say?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: To be honest, I was really surprised that he decided
Speaker 3: to come back this year. I thought that last year
Speaker 3: was going to be the end of it for him.
Speaker 3: I think if the Chiefs would have won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: I think he would have retired because he's just got
Speaker 3: too much other stuff going on in his life.
Speaker 1: But life's busy, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, besides being a football player, he's on a crazy
Speaker 3: popular podcast, He's got products that he's pimping all over.
Speaker 3: He's got a beer brand, like his girlfriend is the
Speaker 3: most popular person on the planet, like, and his body's
Speaker 3: kind of starting to fail him a little bit, as
Speaker 3: yardage total was the worst in his career. Despite catching
Speaker 3: ninety seven passes, he only averaged eight point five yards
Speaker 3: per catch, down from ten point six and twenty two,
Speaker 3: twenty three and twenty twenty two and earlier in his career.
Speaker 3: It was never below twelve in any other year in
Speaker 3: his career. So he also only scored four total touchdowns
Speaker 3: last year in nineteen games including the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a bummer.
Speaker 3: You need more than four total touchdowns out of your
Speaker 3: tight end. So I kind of wonder if he gets
Speaker 3: to training camp and laces them up and maybe he
Speaker 3: feels like you and I would if we lay them
Speaker 3: up the training camp on the second day and he
Speaker 3: just goes, dang, I'm sore. Maybe I'm just gonna go
Speaker 3: hang out with Taylor and do the podcast with my brother,
Speaker 3: and like, if I were to draft him in a
Speaker 3: Scott Fish Bowl draft, he would retire, guarantee.
Speaker 1: That's all it would take. That's all it would take.
Speaker 1: I really like the guy, but I think it's over
Speaker 1: Johnny keeping Taylor Swift sexually satisfied as a full time job.
Speaker 1: I don't think he can do both.
Speaker 3: I mean, you gotta do it right.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, you had a choice of spending
Speaker 1: a lot of time doing one or the other. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's pretty clear what you end up
Speaker 1: doing at age thirty five when you've already won super Bowls.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty pretty straightforward.
Speaker 3: Makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Speaking of age thirty five, we have another wide receiver
Speaker 1: that we're going to try to ring out another good
Speaker 1: year on, and that's Carolina wide receiver Adam Thelen with
Speaker 1: seven a little over seven hundred career touches age thirty five.
Speaker 1: As I mentioned, what are your thoughts on ringing out
Speaker 1: one more good year from Thelen?
Speaker 3: Well, Adam Thelen now connected to Jennifer Lopez as his
Speaker 3: new girlfriend.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, and his wife would be very
Speaker 1: surprised to learn that.
Speaker 3: If he can stay on the field, I think that
Speaker 3: Adam Theelen's craftiness can just keep him relevant. He didn't
Speaker 3: get drafted in the NFL and he didn't become a
Speaker 3: pro bowler because of He's like an insane physical specimen here.
Speaker 3: He got there by being smarter and more technical than
Speaker 3: his counterparts. And when Bryce Young started getting good at
Speaker 3: the end of the year last year, Adam Thielen got
Speaker 3: five or more catches in every game, six straight to
Speaker 3: finish the year. Now, granted Ted McMillan's there, he's going
Speaker 3: to be getting a lot of target share, but the
Speaker 3: short and intermediate slot stuff is where THELAN butters his bread.
Speaker 3: And speaking of short stuff, Bryce Young kind of has
Speaker 3: to get rid of the ball a little quicker. So
Speaker 3: I think that THELAN is still still relevant here, and
Speaker 3: when he is healthy, I think he's going to be
Speaker 3: like a wide receiver three flex play most weeks. So
Speaker 3: I'm still in on Adam Thlen for one more year.
Speaker 1: Same I'm in on THEA and out. It's part of
Speaker 1: it's the eye test. We know we had that long
Speaker 1: hamstring injury, which you have to factor this, and he's
Speaker 1: had soft tissue injuries a lot Adam Thielen has. But
Speaker 1: when he came back from Week thirteen forward last year,
Speaker 1: he was Pro Football Focus is wide receiver eleven and
Speaker 1: just in Fantasy points, he was wide receiver twenty in
Speaker 1: PPR points that's you know, that offense was largely going
Speaker 1: through Adam Theelen last year, and of the ten best
Speaker 1: catches I saw last season, THELAN made two of them,
Speaker 1: and just an astounding catch on the left sideline and
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone catch that were just
Speaker 1: magnificent and makes me feel like Thelan still got one
Speaker 1: more good year left in him. Now he said this
Speaker 1: is this is gonna be his last season. So THELAN
Speaker 1: has acknowledged that this is this is gonna be the
Speaker 1: the swan Song season. But I and I don't. As
Speaker 1: you mentioned Teed McMillan, Now there Matt McMillan could could
Speaker 1: end up being very good. But here's THELAN who knows
Speaker 1: the Dave Canalis system. They know they can rely on him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in the right spot every play. He's
Speaker 1: gonna catch every ball that comes his way. There's so
Speaker 1: many advantages that THELAN has that I still think he's
Speaker 1: going to be the go to receiver this season on
Speaker 1: an offense that everybody thinks was you know it knows
Speaker 1: that got way better over the course of last year
Speaker 1: and could pick up right where it left off.
Speaker 3: I think if Adam Feelen stays healthy, and the Panthers
Speaker 3: are not in contention for a wild card spot. I
Speaker 3: think that they probably try to move him near the deadline,
Speaker 3: and I think they would love to try to move
Speaker 3: him back to Minnesota so he could finish be amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think it wouldn't take much to do it.
Speaker 3: Probably a very late round pick. But if the Vikings
Speaker 3: are in contention, that would be a perfect guy to
Speaker 3: add to that roster as a third wide receiver. Again,
Speaker 3: all stretch.
Speaker 1: Feeling can play every position, he can run from everywhere,
Speaker 1: but he's great out of the slot. And the Vikings
Speaker 1: really and the Vikings receivers also need to be able
Speaker 1: to play everywhere, but they don't have a kind of
Speaker 1: a pure slot guy. Felan, could that I like your
Speaker 1: call mark the tape as they used to say in
Speaker 1: the old days. Thursday, June nineteenth, as we're recording this Friday,
Speaker 1: June twentieth, as it airs, we're not recording Fridays, as
Speaker 1: I mentioned, right into the scott Fish Bowl tomorrow. There
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, Okay, are you bringing your swim trunks
Speaker 1: by the way, I am, because we're draft to get
Speaker 1: stadium swim so you know, for the people that go.
Speaker 1: You get to see the majesty of my chest hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so, if you're anywhere near the Las
Speaker 3: Vegas area, get to stadium swim tomorrow, that's right to
Speaker 3: see churches chest hair. I'm sure he's gonna shave something
Speaker 3: really wonderful into it.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a self portrait, self portrait, tasteful nude
Speaker 1: shaved into I'm gonna do that with the back hair
Speaker 1: actually shaved into the back hair.
Speaker 3: You'll have to do that.
Speaker 1: You can't do it myself. It's really hard to shave
Speaker 1: an image into your own back. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it would take for you
Speaker 1: to shave. Just if you want to raise shave all
Speaker 1: the hair off your back, what would could you physically
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 3: You have to get a stick or something, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining getting getting an elect buzz style razor and
Speaker 1: draping it on my back and then pulling it by
Speaker 1: the cord over my shoulders so it drags line at
Speaker 1: all I can go wrong.
Speaker 3: I think you need a friend, phone a friend on
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 1: You and I have known each other for twenty years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: have we ever seen each other shirtless?
Speaker 3: I plead the fifth.
Speaker 1: Other than that time in Tijuana. Have we ever seen
Speaker 1: each other shirtless? Donkey show no our final player?
Speaker 3: I don't think we have. But I don't think neither
Speaker 3: of us have a swimming pool, so wouldn't seem like we.
Speaker 1: Would, No, I don't think.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: I'll have to have Scott Fish send me some photos.
Speaker 1: I think. Uh, I think that's very possible that you'll.
Speaker 1: You'll they do a great job of promotion. There'll be
Speaker 1: a lot of promotion around Saturday's big draft, no doubt. Yeah, absolutely, yes,
Speaker 1: you got one more guy to talk about it. We do,
Speaker 1: and he's thirty seven years.
Speaker 3: Old, are Yeah?
Speaker 1: Speaking of back here, I feel like I need to
Speaker 1: really qualify the fact now. And I mean it shouldn't
Speaker 1: matter to any of our listeners, but I really don't
Speaker 1: have any back here, So I just feel like it now,
Speaker 1: I don't need to say that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know why you felt like you.
Speaker 1: Needed to say that, because who wants back here? Nobody's like,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to have back here. Rams quarterback Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: aged thirty seven eight thousand pass attempts spanning sixteen seasons.
Speaker 1: Matt do you believe you can ring out one more
Speaker 1: good year out of Matthew Stafford. We already said we
Speaker 1: like Devonte Adams, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think QB just hits a little
Speaker 3: bit differently with this age thing. So I cited that
Speaker 3: thirty one year old wide receiver stat before. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: has been sixteen different seasons that a quarterback has thrown
Speaker 3: for over four thousand yards in his age thirty seven
Speaker 3: season or older.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Okay, seven of which are Tom Brien.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you have to be pretty good
Speaker 1: to even be slinging the ball at thirty seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so thirteen of those quarterbacks through at least twenty
Speaker 3: four touchdown passes. And by the way, some of the
Speaker 3: guys on this list Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers twice, Drew Brees, Warren.
Speaker 1: Moon for the Vikings, Oh yeah, there you go, Brett.
Speaker 3: Harv twice, once in Green Bay and once for Minnesota,
Speaker 3: and Aaron Rodgers. Now, Stafford hasn't hit four thousand yards
Speaker 3: since twenty twenty one, and that was his first year
Speaker 3: in LA and he only made it to the twenty
Speaker 3: four touchdown pass mark once in the last three years.
Speaker 3: But the accuracy in the zip still seems to be there.
Speaker 3: And Sean McVay he's one of the best coaches in
Speaker 3: the league. And he's also a coach who will get
Speaker 3: rid of an aging star if he thinks they no
Speaker 3: longer possess the skills. Yeah, so he's ready to jettison
Speaker 3: a guy at the drop of a hat. He let
Speaker 3: go of Jared Goff to go get Matthew Stafford, and
Speaker 3: God turned out to be a pretty good quarterback in
Speaker 3: the league. So I think Matthew Stafford finishes kind of
Speaker 3: middle of the pack as a starter. He's quarterback twenty
Speaker 3: two in Fantasy pros ADP right now, and it seems
Speaker 3: like he's kind of the bottom of a tier with
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, Toua, Trevor Lawrence, Drake May They're all above
Speaker 3: him in ADP. Stafford's a guy, I mean outside of JJ,
Speaker 3: because I think JJ's gonna have a fantastic season. Stafford's
Speaker 3: a guy that I'd probably take above those other guys though,
Speaker 3: And I think that you'd be okay, I mean, you're
Speaker 3: gonna be able to wait for him and get him later.
Speaker 3: But I think that I would like him better than
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence and TUA and Drake may So.
Speaker 1: I think that's a yes. So you're on yes, we
Speaker 1: can ring out one more good year out of Matthew.
Speaker 3: Stafforks So, and he's by the way on year to
Speaker 3: year contracts now in LA So I think that any
Speaker 3: year could be as last year, and I think that
Speaker 3: this might be it. But they definitely don't have a
Speaker 3: plan in place to replace.
Speaker 1: No, which is a little odd, right, It's not like
Speaker 1: his age is sneaking up on the team. I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit surprised that the Rams haven't done more to
Speaker 1: put themselves in a position to have somebody that they
Speaker 1: could be grooming to be the replacement for Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: because it's not Jimmy Garoppolo and it's not Stetson Bennett.
Speaker 3: Well, they do have two first round draft picks in
Speaker 3: next year's draft, which is supposed to be much better
Speaker 3: quarterback draft. Well, I imagine they probably packaged two of
Speaker 3: them to get up or if things don't go well,
Speaker 3: they'll just take one.
Speaker 1: I'm also on yes on Matthew Stafford. Last year he
Speaker 1: finished his quarterback nineteen across the whole season, but as
Speaker 1: everybody knows, he played the first forty percent of the
Speaker 1: season without Cooper Cup and pokin Akua once those guys
Speaker 1: came back. From Week eight forward, including the playoffs, Stafford
Speaker 1: average two hundred and forty two passing yards, which was
Speaker 1: good enough to be quarterback thirteen and one point eight
Speaker 1: touchdowns per game, which is good about enough to be
Speaker 1: quarterback six across a full season. One point eight touchdowns
Speaker 1: in two hundred and forty two yards. Those are good
Speaker 1: numbers that we're getting out of. You mentioned going off
Speaker 1: the board best Ball Quarterback twenty two. I'm in on
Speaker 1: Stafford at that level. I think he outperforms that spot,
Speaker 1: and the talent upgrade from Cooper Cup to Devon Day
Speaker 1: Adams is going to be real for him. So I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'm in on Stafford, particularly at his UH, at his
Speaker 1: price point, and I think he's got another good season
Speaker 1: left in him and let's just hope he plays most
Speaker 1: are all the full season. Matt, absolutely, Yeah, this has
Speaker 1: been fun, great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you appreciate it. Only a couple of h here,
Speaker 3: we'll give ourselves out.
Speaker 1: There, you go, Yeah, can we give ourselves one of these?
Speaker 3: I mean, you do deverve it?
Speaker 1: I think so? I think so? So do you? Listeners?
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