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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth dud Hi.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: I've been looking for you. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do know what's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You don't put it out in your pocket. Let me see.

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Speaker 3: Hold on, let me.

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Speaker 4: Get it out of my The Vatican Vatican like me,

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Speaker 4: huh well pretty much. Vatican eating Jay on Instagram. This

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Speaker 4: isn't a mash well, it's kind of a mash up.

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Speaker 4: It's like, thank you, it's kind of half so when

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Speaker 4: you take if you take the Vatican and then you

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Speaker 4: mash it up with anime.

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Speaker 3: What Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I know I love I love when I say things

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Speaker 4: in you what So anyway, the Vatican has a new

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Speaker 4: anime mascot called which means light Yeah, screen Ramp. Are

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Speaker 4: you familiar with screen Rap? The website journalist by the

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Speaker 4: name of Angela Davis. I don't think it's that Angela

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Speaker 4: Davis wrote this article that is so loving and like

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Speaker 4: speaking so warmly of this thing and the Vatican.

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Speaker 2: It is Angela Davis.

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Speaker 3: It's so weird.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let me just the Vatican's new anime girl

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Speaker 4: mascot Luce is taking the world by storm, and you

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Speaker 4: know they go. On October twenty eighth, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 4: the Vatican unveiled a new mascot named Lucee to represent

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Speaker 4: their upcoming twenty twenty five Jubilee next year.

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Speaker 5: Oh okay, I thought you said a new mascot, like

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Speaker 5: they were replacing Jesus with this luce.

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Speaker 2: Well, so I was like, wow, that's.

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Speaker 3: A big movebe used to pray. They got a new

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Speaker 3: mascott Mary.

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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, wait no, no, I'm just so going to hell

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Speaker 4: on this one.

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Speaker 3: So the design is anime.

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Speaker 2: The Jubilee mascot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she has well no, it's the Vatican mascot.

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Vatican mascot.

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Speaker 3: And she has blue hair, similar to j hair hair, the.

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Speaker 4: One I know, big bright blue eyes.

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Speaker 3: Blue is Mary's favorite color, but that is her color.

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Speaker 4: She is depicted as a traveler with green boots caked

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Speaker 4: in mud okay, bright yellow rain jacket, and carrying a

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Speaker 4: walking stick. It's an adorable design that's already blown up

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Speaker 4: on the internet.

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Speaker 2: So she's like a walk about Marion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And then like here and I wish I'm Guessingtima.

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Speaker 4: If you go here, look at this guy as a

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Speaker 4: priest reaching out to touch her. Oh no, anyway, I

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Speaker 4: mean to guess that if you go to the jubilee

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Speaker 4: events in the Vatican City, that they'll have like a mascot,

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Speaker 4: like a person in a suit.

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Speaker 2: I bet they will like one of those Japanese mascots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then maybe she should have.

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Speaker 2: A mascot battle.

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe someone will try and tip her.

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Speaker 2: Over, of course someone.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, then she'll rise. The third time

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Speaker 3: means light.

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Speaker 5: Okay, VI, I'm giving you that one. Did Brewster d

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Speaker 5: score one for e? But hey, sit back down on Elizabeth. No, no, no,

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Speaker 5: you didn't win the round. You just won that one.

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Speaker 5: I got something ridiculous for you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 5: Did you know that the same night that muhammadad Lee

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Speaker 5: fought Joe Frasier smoking Joe Fraser for the first time

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Speaker 5: in the Fight of the Century, that very same night

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Speaker 5: a bunch of anti war hippie protesters they also knocked

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Speaker 5: down j Edgar Hoover and the FBI. It don't make

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Speaker 5: sense in a second, okay, but the two events are related.

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Speaker 5: What kind of you'll see?

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Speaker 3: I got it.

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Speaker 2: Is a ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 6: A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 6: It's all weighs ninety nine percent murder free and one

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Speaker 6: hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Luci every damn time, every time you look out.

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Speaker 2: LUCEA Elizabeth.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you love boxing and cigars and half naked men

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Speaker 5: doing violence against it one another.

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Speaker 3: God, that's like every day of my life. That's every

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Speaker 3: dream I have every night.

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Speaker 5: It's like you're telling me the other day. Wait, no,

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Speaker 5: that's not you. I must be thinking of someone else.

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Speaker 5: Whot Anyway, you know what I have for you? Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 5: I have this new limited run series about Muhammad Ali. Right,

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Speaker 5: it's all about this fight against George Foreman and Zaire

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Speaker 5: in the Rumble in the Jungle.

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Speaker 2: And this year Mark's the fiftieth.

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Speaker 3: Anniversary called Rumble.

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Speaker 2: Yes it is. It's an Ihearts podcast here like on

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Speaker 2: the network, you can.

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Speaker 3: Find it legitimately.

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Speaker 4: If even if I didn't know you, like and you

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Speaker 4: weren't in this room, that means that has there's no

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Speaker 4: impact on the fact that it is so good.

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Speaker 3: Zarin.

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Speaker 4: It is such a good show, and I think that

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Speaker 4: all of the rude dudes should listen.

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Speaker 2: Or tell somebody who might like boxing.

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Speaker 3: You have to like, I don't like.

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Speaker 2: There's so much more to it.

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Speaker 5: You're right, there's about the concert, all the superstars, and

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Speaker 5: then there's obviously with all the history of that period of.

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Speaker 4: Time, and even like it's I don't I don't like boxing.

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Speaker 4: I don't follow it, but I learned so much about behind,

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Speaker 4: like what goes into it in the trade. Anyway, I

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Speaker 4: highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Well for you, I have a verse it was bad.

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Speaker 3: I'd tell everyone I know you.

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Speaker 5: Would you drop it at my feet and like, what

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Speaker 5: is this? Why did you do this to people? But Elizabeth,

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Speaker 5: for you, I have your very own Muhammad Ali story

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Speaker 5: one that I found in my research that's not in

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Speaker 5: the podcast. You won't hear this in the Rumble Show.

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Speaker 5: One that's just for you.

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Speaker 3: He saved it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it's not exactly true. I can't take all

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Speaker 5: the credit so much. Well, actually you got to thank

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Speaker 5: me and a listener. There was a listener, Eddie Owens.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you, Eddie, thank you.

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Speaker 5: He showed up in the inbox and the interns are like, man,

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Speaker 5: I think you might want to check this.

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Speaker 2: So I read the email. I was like, huh.

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Speaker 5: It starts dear producer Dave Nice work, Eddie, he pays

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Speaker 5: attention to the directions and the credits. Anyway, Eddie goes

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Speaker 5: on and I quote, I am listening to the Rumble

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Speaker 5: young Man, Rumble episode, and this has reminded me of

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Speaker 5: your abscam episode and how they are related. The Abscam

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Speaker 5: operation was the FBI's attempt to save face from its

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Speaker 5: fall from grace caused by the Church Committee. We've talked

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Speaker 5: about that, which brought to light unconstitutional behavior of the

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Speaker 5: alphabet agencies such as MK Ultra, co Intel, pro Operation, Mockingbird,

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Speaker 5: and Family Jewels. Okay, the FBI had been led by

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Speaker 5: Jaegger Hoover for nearly forty years, and he was thought

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Speaker 5: to be a national hero. Vietnam protesters had become the

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Speaker 5: focus of surveillance for Hoover and his shady methods. Protesters

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Speaker 5: hated the draft and would undermine it by raiding draft

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Speaker 5: offices and stealing the records. A group of protesters in

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Speaker 5: New Jersey would take it to the next level. It

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Speaker 5: was a motley group of Hippies, Quakers, and afflics led

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, let's thank you much happening right, Eddy.

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Speaker 5: Boom lays it out no, I do have to do

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Speaker 5: a quick fact check. It was Pennsylvania, not New Jersey whatever,

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Speaker 5: but he got it right, the Tri State area, right,

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Speaker 5: and it was a physics professor, not an engineering nerd.

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Speaker 5: But whatever, you no facts, they've been checked anyway, you ready, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 5: I am always right because, as you pointed out, this

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Speaker 5: one is all kinds of While the year is nineteen

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Speaker 5: seventy one, that's according to the calendar, but really in

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Speaker 5: the culture, it's still the sixties, okay, right, they're still

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Speaker 5: all that same late sixties energy, and the things in

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Speaker 5: America are still hell a radical.

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Speaker 3: Right, but radical, patical, bad rabble.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm on the side of the radicals, so I'd

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Speaker 5: my god, yeah, gnarly to the like all the way

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Speaker 5: to the tube. Now, you got the Vietnam War going on, obviously,

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Speaker 5: and you had Henry Kissinger running that for the White House, right,

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Speaker 5: because keep in mind President Nixon is in full blossom

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Speaker 2: We talked about that.

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Speaker 5: Now at this same time in seventy one, j Edgar

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Speaker 5: Hoover is still somehow alive. Like the man's been doing

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Speaker 5: this since the thirties. What the hell, But he's still

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Speaker 5: running the FBI, iron grip on power, decades of secrecy

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Speaker 5: and intimidation, beautiful dresses, amazing the footwork. Look have you

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Speaker 5: seen some of his heels now fighting against all of this.

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Speaker 5: You have the student protesters right, the anti war movement,

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Speaker 5: then there are also some radicals like the Weather Underground.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta.

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Speaker 2: Do, exactly.

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Speaker 5: You also you still have like these warmed over hippies,

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Speaker 2: Dropping out for that commune life and doing for like

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Speaker 5: But also you got others who are turning into activists,

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Speaker 5: this wild time of conflict and social tension. Many in

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Speaker 5: that nation would tattern fray and would come in part.

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Speaker 5: Many feel like that now. Like that feeling is why

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Speaker 5: activists and the protesters, they're looking for some way to

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Speaker 5: hand a devastating loss to Richard Nixon and to Jaeger Hoover,

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Speaker 5: to finally get back at them because they've just been

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Speaker 5: taking it for a while, punish him for all of

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Speaker 5: his FBI's campaigns against Americans. You get the idea right now.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'd wager that most Americans have never heard

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Speaker 5: about this particular story. Okay, but it's a ridiculous crime,

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Speaker 5: I swear to you, and it's right in our lane.

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Speaker 2: So buckle up. A time to meet our heroes of

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Speaker 2: the hour.

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Speaker 5: They are this plucky gang of amateur criminals who are

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Speaker 5: actually a group of committed anti war activists Quakers, Catholics

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Speaker 5: turned amateur burglars. So we have our ring leader for

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Speaker 5: the group, William Debadon, a physics professor at Haverford College

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Speaker 5: in Pennsylvania, super involved in the local anti war movement.

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Speaker 5: He's a young leader basically, but a little older than

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Speaker 5: the kids. He decides to start his secret operations group. Right,

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Speaker 5: So he reaches out to his friend, a fellow educator,

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Speaker 5: a religion professor at Temple University in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: His name is John Raines, and so he and his wife,

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Speaker 5: Bonnie Rains they both join up to this secret operations group.

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Speaker 5: Now at the time, Bonnie she's a twenty nine year

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Speaker 5: old mother of three. She's also a veteran of the

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Speaker 5: anti war movement. She's been rocking this for a while.

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Speaker 5: Back in sixty six, she and John moved to Philadelphia

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Speaker 5: and there they joined the Catholic left.

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Speaker 5: Right, you're basically trying to gum up the whole draft process.

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Speaker 5: This is how Bonnie met the ringleader, Bill Davidan, Right,

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Speaker 5: So John, he is an older guard civil rights activist.

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Speaker 5: So he'd been arrested way before this for the original protests.

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Speaker 5: So now they start getting other kids.

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Speaker 2: They get this.

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Speaker 5: A key member of the secret Operations group is this guy,

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Speaker 2: He was from Ohio. He's this the team's amateur lock

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Speaker 4: So this is like the activist Bureau of Investigation exactly.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to learn more myself, So take a class. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Maybe there's a community college up the hill from here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go get into that. So he would pick

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Speaker 5: And the records they could. Right now, they have another member,

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Speaker 3: So William Williamson Williams, son of Williams, exactly, bless he

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Speaker 2: What was it, Billy D. Williams. His name is William Williams.

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Speaker 5: They call themselves not your brilliant name, but they call

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Speaker 3: Okay, c c I SBI.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly exactly.

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Speaker 5: It's the kind of like nineteen thirties socialist communist kind

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Speaker 3: Of them the ABI.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, So the original aim is to break into the

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Speaker 5: way too well guarded. There's too many people there at

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Speaker 5: The ring leader, Professor Davidan, He's like, I got a

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Speaker 5: they look for one that's basically technic, called a resident agency.

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Speaker 2: The Quaker parts. So they have these old timy names.

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Speaker 5: So anyway, town's got about sixty five hundred people at

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Speaker 5: They select their new target in their Media, Pennsylvania. They

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Speaker 5: Secret Operations Group. They're now surveilling the FBI, and they

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Speaker 5: We can hit this so to get a little more

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Speaker 5: ground intel the secret Operations Group, they send in Bonnie Rains, like,

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Speaker 5: we need you to go in undercover right now. When

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Speaker 5: going to see her coming because she's this, you know,

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Speaker 5: twenty nine year old mother of three. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 5: know what, Elizabeth, I want you to just keep picturing

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Speaker 2: Hold that thought. Oh we're gonna take a little break. Okay,

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Speaker 2: when we get back, I'll take you inside the FBI.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, and we're back, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, where were It's right?

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Speaker 2: Bonnie Rain's Bonnie.

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Speaker 4: Rain sounds like I don't know if I've talked about

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Speaker 4: this before. I had a film professor who could never

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Speaker 4: remember the names of and actresses. Okay, it's like, what

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Speaker 4: I Janey Debbie de Moore. I'm like, you're teaching film anyway.

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Speaker 4: Bonnie Rain's sounds like if he was trying to tell

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Speaker 3: You know, she's got the red hair. Bonnie Rain I

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Speaker 4: Does she do the one with the animal commercials? That

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Speaker 4: a joke anyway, Bonnie Rain, in my mind, it's Bonnie

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Speaker 4: Rait totally.

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Speaker 2: I'm into. That works for me, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure it would work for her too.

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Speaker 5: So Bonnie Rains is going undercover and the FBI is

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Speaker 5: conned by her. As I pointed out, Mother three, she

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Speaker 5: like she's well explain, Okay, she's about to pass as

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Speaker 5: That's a little bit of a difference.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying.

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Speaker 5: Right, they're a f PI agent, so they're they're they're observant, right,

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Speaker 5: So they're like, you don't have the dewey fresh face

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Speaker 3: You know, maybe she does.

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Speaker 2: You've spent some sleepless nights as a mother. I'm just saying.

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Speaker 3: My first job was a newspaper reporter.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm sure, did you have three young children?

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Speaker 3: I looked.

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Speaker 5: The sleepless nights of children they age your person. I'm

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Speaker 5: telling you, yes, come on, out of your friends who

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Speaker 3: They all look gorgeous and dewey, and yeah.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying that I could tell them from the

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Speaker 3: All my friends and I look twelve.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just saying whatever, that's my point.

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Speaker 5: Okay, for whatever reason, is able to pass as a college.

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Speaker 5: Brick or bracker firecrackers just boom bah right. They're like

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Speaker 5: they're like, okay, yeah, come on in. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: because I would like to talk to an FBI officer

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Speaker 5: You're a college newspaper person, Okay, think you'd have better questions.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, Step one, Oh, now is complete. Now the

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Speaker 3: Slide to on the PowerPoint exactly.

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Speaker 5: But rather than me tell you about slide to, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: Oh I've already been closing them for some time.

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Speaker 2: I've noticed that, and I would like you to picture Elizabeth.

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Speaker 5: It's early in nineteen seventy one, and you are in

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Speaker 5: the home of Bonnie and John Wis. They're in North Philly.

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Speaker 5: You and another member of the Citizens Commission to Investigate

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Speaker 2: We do this to protect our children's rights.

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Speaker 5: Are people's rights? Her words stir in your breast because

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Speaker 2: The drive over from Philly isn't terribly long.

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Speaker 5: When the car arrives in the town of Media, it

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Speaker 2: She does not smile.

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Speaker 5: Instead, she just stares at you flatly. You see that

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Speaker 5: a seat and it may be a minute. A classic

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Speaker 5: power move, make your weight on them, and he's probably

444
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 5: not even doing anything. But there you sit, just as

445
00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320
Speaker 5: you are made to wait, and you wait. It's actually

446
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 5: this is exactly what you want. You use the time

447
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,679
Speaker 5: to clock the goings on in the office. It's not

448
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 5: that big of an office. There's one door in, one

449
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 5: door out. No wait, you see there there's a second door.

450
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 5: It's blocked by a file cabinet. You watch the field agents.

451
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 2: Some are on the phone, others are finishing up typing

452
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:45,600
Speaker 2: your reports.

453
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 5: One looks at you. You give him a pert smile

454
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,640
Speaker 5: and he kind of shyly looks away and.

455
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 2: Goes back to his work.

456
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 5: Then you look for security measures. Are their cameras sensors?

457
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 5: What are alarms? What is there? You don't see much.

458
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 5: This office is rather vulnerable. You count how many file

459
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 5: cabinets there are. You watch as an agent pulls a

460
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 5: drawer of the file cabinet open, he finds what he's

461
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,040
Speaker 5: looking for, then he eases it back shut. You notice

462
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 5: the file cabinet is not locked, no key, nothing, huh.

463
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 5: And you can't see any alarms on the windows, none

464
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 5: on the doors. The phone rings up. You smile to yourself,

465
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 5: get back into characters. These idiots are just sitting pretty.

466
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 5: You and your band of amateur criminals are gonna come

467
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 5: for them. You make a mental note, we could totally

468
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 5: crack this egg ride open. All we need is crowbar

469
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,480
Speaker 5: after you.

470
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 2: I mean.

471
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 5: Bonnie Rains does her undercover work inside that FBI field office.

472
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 5: She goes back to the Citizens Commission to investigate the

473
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,479
Speaker 5: FBI tells her comrades all the good news from her

474
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,199
Speaker 5: intel insights.

475
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 4: It's like, let's give him something to talk about.

476
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 5: The FBI office. She points out easy target. They're like, oh,

477
00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 5: for real. She's like, sardine can we can crack this baby.

478
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,479
Speaker 5: All we need is foresyth over there. So they get

479
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 5: to planning. They select their team for the clandestine operation.

480
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 5: Then they picked the date for their operation. They agree

481
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 5: they'll need some kind of distraction. They're like, oh, we

482
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 5: could set off a bomb, we could slight a fire.

483
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 5: And someone's like, no, no, I got something better, the perfect

484
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 5: thing to provide us cover. One of them mentions that

485
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 5: there is an upcoming heavyweight title fight. Everyone's going to

486
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 5: be listening to this fight on the radio. It's called

487
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 5: the Fight of the Century. Now, do you know anything

488
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 5: about the fight? Of the Century Elizabeth aka the heavyweight

489
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 5: title fight between Muhammad Ali and.

490
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 2: Smoking Joe Frasier.

491
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 3: I know nothing.

492
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 5: Joe Fraser's from Philly, so all the local people are

493
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 5: going to be excited. So there's an extra added element

494
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,440
Speaker 5: in Muhammad Ali. Is Muhammad Ali like the biggest star

495
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: in the world in nineteen seventy one.

496
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 3: Most of what I know is from rumble.

497
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well there you go. Well I'll give you a

498
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 2: quick rehash.

499
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 5: In sixty seven, Muhammad Ali he has this title as

500
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 5: heavyweight Champion of the World stripped from him because he

501
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 5: refuses to take part in the draft of the US

502
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 5: Armed Forces. Right, so he becomes this anti war activist

503
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 5: and icon in results. As a result, the boxing commissions

504
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 5: like ah they take his license away. The government they

505
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 5: come and they take him to court. He has to

506
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 5: fight in court after court, federal courts all the way

507
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 5: up to the Supreme Court where the justices then they

508
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 5: debate on his case on its religious merits because he's

509
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 5: a member of the Nation of Islam. And he says,

510
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 5: my religion forbids me from going to fight in any

511
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 5: wars unless Allah, you know, tells me to ye. And

512
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 5: Allah did not tell me go to Vietnam. So they're like,

513
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. They debate it. Initially they

514
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 5: were going to find him guilty, but then these justices

515
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 5: go and argue amongst each other until eventually he is

516
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 5: found to be innocent and avoids five years in federal

517
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 5: prison because they unanimously decide Muhammad Ali's they take his side.

518
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: It's amazing, right.

519
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 5: So, after three and a half years in exile from boxing,

520
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: now he's a little bit softer, a little bit slower,

521
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 5: actually a lot softer, a lot slower. Ali tries to

522
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 5: reclaim his title, and so to do that he has

523
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: to fight the guy who was helping him when he

524
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 5: was in exile, who's like helping him pay his bills,

525
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 5: leaning of money, who was smoking Joe Frasier, who is

526
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 5: now the way champion of the world. Right, right, So

527
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 5: this is the fight of the century. So it's the

528
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 5: first of, by the way, three fights between Ali and

529
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 5: smoking Joe Frazier. This is set for March eighth, nineteen

530
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 5: seventy one. Okay, and Elizabeth, it feels like I said,

531
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 5: the whole world is waiting for this fight, and I

532
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 5: don't know if I really am conveying that to you.

533
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 3: I don't it's everyone like everyone's gonna be loser.

534
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: I mean like not just like you know right now

535
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 5: you're not a boxing fan, right, but if you were

536
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy one, you be somewhat paying attention to if

537
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,119
Speaker 5: not listening to this fight because of a lot of reasons.

538
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 4: Oh well, you know what, I like, I always say

539
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm not like, it's not like I'm anti boxing.

540
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: I just don't really care.

541
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: You remember how Tyson was like when he was first

542
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 5: coming up, like insane, right, yeah, he beat anybody like in.

543
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: The first round sometimes.

544
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well Ali is like that where he's just everybody

545
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 5: wants either to see him get beat or they want

546
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: to see him beat somebody, right.

547
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

548
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 5: Also though when he fights in the rings, he's fighting

549
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 5: for the change that's coming. Right, He's this hero of

550
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 5: the anti war movement, but he's all also a champion

551
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 5: of black power movement. He's essentially the people's champ, so

552
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 5: they want to go see him win because it's it's

553
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 5: a victory against Nixon and the silent majority. So thanks

554
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 5: to Ali, right, Joe Fraser becomes the representative of the

555
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 5: silent majority of Nixon It's like Ali used to make

556
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 5: fun of Joe Fraser. He call him the white man's champ. Right,

557
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 5: So that's the whole vibe going into this fight. Yeah,

558
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 5: every possible tension.

559
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 2: Is being pushed.

560
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 5: So this fight is gonna happen at Madison Square Gardens

561
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 5: right in New York City. Everyone shows up. Norman Mahler's there.

562
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 5: He covers it for Life Magazine. Frank Sinatra is the

563
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: official photographer for Life Magazine. Frank Sinatra Ya going around

564
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 5: with his camera. He takes the cover shot, Kim. Yeah, right,

565
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 5: a different time, Elizabeth. The seats are just filled with

566
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 5: stars and celebrities of like the late sixties, early sevenes.

567
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 3: They're wearing furs, I'm sure.

568
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the outfits are insane. You could.

569
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 5: You'd be walking around You're like, oh look it's Diana Ross.

570
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 5: Oh look there's Barber Streis, and oh look there's Dustin Hoffman.

571
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 5: And is that Sammy Davis.

572
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: Junior, Yeah, yeah it is.

573
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 5: Oh wait, there's the Apollo fourteen astronauts. Oh look there's

574
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 5: Miles Davis. Is that that handsome Italian actor Marcello master

575
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 5: Oiani it is?

576
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god behind him? Is that?

577
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 5: Yes, it is the Colonel Sanders of Kentucky Fried Chicken

578
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 5: fame in.

579
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: The way Sanders this place has everyone was Bonnie right there?

580
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 2: Dude calling the fight was Burt Lancaster.

581
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: Wait, this sounds like you're making swear this.

582
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: Is all true. I don't know if Bonnie right was there.

583
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 5: I wish I had an answer guitar exactly, I wish

584
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: I only knew. But the superstar event, as I said,

585
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 5: perfect distraction for the Citizens Commission to investigate the FBI.

586
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so their plans were subterfuge or set. So

587
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 5: they know any guards at the FBI field office will

588
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 5: be huddled around a radio listening to this fight.

589
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 3: It's a huge cultural event, exactly.

590
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 5: People across the street, eyewitnesses that will be around their radio.

591
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,239
Speaker 2: Right.

592
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 5: So the night of the fight, the anti war activists

593
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 5: they meet, they pull on their balaklava mass or whatever,

594
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 5: their black sweaters or they get all gussied up, right,

595
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 5: and then the success of their secret operation depends on

596
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 5: a college dropout, amateur lock pa artist Keith forsythe right

597
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 5: and his like night school training. So he goes. He

598
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 5: scouts the door beforehand. He doesn't want to make a mistake.

599
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 5: He plans to break into He's he arrives, he gets there.

600
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 5: Everything's the way he remembers it, except for there's not

601
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 5: one lock. There's now two locks. And he's like, what

602
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 5: they are?

603
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 8: There?

604
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: Two locks? Right?

605
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 5: Because it he works on the first lock, he gets

606
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 5: that one to spring open. He'd already done the research.

607
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 5: He knew what type of lock he was looking at.

608
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 5: Success boom. Then he has to contend with the second lock.

609
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 5: The fresh one.

610
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: Doesn't know about it.

611
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 5: Doesn't go smoothing. Different type of lock exactly. These are

612
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 5: basically a pick. Imagine like like I don't know, like

613
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 5: a padlock, like a very big padlock.

614
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:36,679
Speaker 8: But you.

615
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: And it's so so Foresight's fingers they can't perform their

616
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: usual magic, right, so he tries again.

617
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: He fails.

618
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 3: He tries again, fingers, he fails.

619
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 5: Magic fingers toly failing. Put a quarter in forsythe well,

620
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 5: this lock is tricky, right. He goes back and lets

621
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: the others know he can't pick the lock. I don't

622
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: have to tell you guys, secret operation.

623
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 3: Still a lot of guys.

624
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: Okay, they discussed their options, like what are we going

625
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 5: to do? Forsyth can't get his fingers to work. So

626
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: some of them want to abort the mission. Others they

627
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 5: want to just cut and run. Right, They're like, I'm

628
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 5: not gonna this could be years behind bars in federal

629
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: prison if they're caught. Right, some are convinced that this

630
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 5: newly added lock is proof that the FBI is onto them.

631
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 3: That's what you think. Yeah, so first.

632
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 5: They're they're probably out there in the dark watching us

633
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 5: right now, right, so, Elizabeth, the FBI was not watching them.

634
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: They were not out there in the dark waiting to pounce.

635
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 5: What had happened was well, quick question, do you know

636
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 5: who deep Throat is? Yeah, Deep threat is in like

637
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: the FBI insidformant Woodward and Burnsting, We covered him right,

638
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: worked for THEAH. So his real name was Mark Felt

639
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 5: and in March of nineteen seventy one, he was a

640
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 5: high level executive at the FBI. Later on that same year,

641
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 5: Hoover would personally promote him to be the deputy Associate director.

642
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

643
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 5: He was brought up by Hoover as like a check

644
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 5: against the FBI's secret domestic spy work against Nixon's White House,

645
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 5: which Hoover wanted to control. Like, so basically Nixon brings

646
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 5: in some FBI guys. Whover's like, what what does he.

647
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 3: Having you do?

648
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't know.

649
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: If he sends in Mark Felt to report to him,

650
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 5: what's Nixon's got his guys doing? Yeah, so Felt right,

651
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: is he's keeping an eye on Nixon's team. This is

652
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 5: where he gives him the the info to leak to

653
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 5: the Watergate guys.

654
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

655
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 5: But just prior to that, Mark Felt aka deep Throat,

656
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: he's the one who turns down a request of the

657
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 5: FBI field office in Media, Pennsylvania asking for more security

658
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 5: for their office. Mark Felt was like, no newfangled security cameras,

659
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 5: that's all expensive. Who's going to break into a field

660
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 5: office in Media Pennsylvania denied, So the agent of this

661
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 5: field office they got and they buy a padlock and

662
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 5: they're like, we'll just put this on the door. So

663
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 5: they just put a second padlock on the door.

664
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: And then so that's why days before, just days before,

666
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 5: the amateur burglars show up. That's why the Forsyth had

667
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 5: missed it because in the time he had cased the joint,

668
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 5: it wasn't there.

669
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: They put one on.

670
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 3: They didn't think to bring bolt cutters.

671
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 5: The FBI is not onto them. It's just sheer coincidence

672
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,239
Speaker 5: once again involving deep throat. So key foresyth through at

673
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 5: the lock pick artist can't get second lock open. So

674
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 5: what are they gonna do? What are they gonna do?

675
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: Elizabeth, Uh, leave and go get a burger.

676
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: No, it's a good answer.

677
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: Anytime you have any like block in what you're trying

678
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 4: to do, just leave and go get a burger.

679
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, rethink about it, recalibrate, yeah, yeah, refresh. So Bonnie

680
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 5: rains she remembers something from her clan DestinE undercover work,

681
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: as you know, as a college newspaper jennalist. She recalls

682
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: that there was that second door in the field office

683
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 5: behind the cabinet right the file cabinet. She's like, we

684
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 5: can get that open, just push the file cabinet. Forsyth's like,

685
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 5: I'm on it. So she's like, say less. Basically it

686
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 5: goes over and that lock is so much easier to pick.

687
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 5: So it's you know, basic door lock open. It pushes

688
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 5: the door open. He has to get on the ground

689
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 5: and push against the file cabinet, use.

690
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: His legs, you know, lift with her. He better better

691
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: to have lower body strength at that point.

692
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 5: So they pushed the file cabinet at of the way.

694
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 5: Then the crew of five pop into the field office.

695
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 5: They bring with them multiple suitcases right then they throw

696
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 5: those on the ground, unzip those bad boys, and they

697
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 5: start yanking FBI files and and just tossing them into

698
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 5: the suitcases. Once the suitcases are just bulging with files,

699
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 5: they zip them back up and they make a run

700
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: for it. Meanwhile, there's a security guard watching all of

701
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: this from across the street at the Delaware County Courthouse.

702
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: Remember I told you there's a corn.

703
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's watching it all and he sees the burglar

704
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: crew go and sees him come running out with suitcases

705
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 5: of whatever. The security guard, as I said, watching them

706
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 5: load the suitcases into the car. Then he watches his

707
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 5: crew get the car and peel away, just drive off him.

708
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: Do anything because this mond They didn't rob the courthouse,

709
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: did they?

710
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: Yeah?

711
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 3: Right, none of my I'm my own business. So what I.

712
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 5: Also love is that this same security guard gets later

713
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 5: gets questioned by the FBI, they were you working that night?

714
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: What did you see it? He's like, I didn't see anything.

715
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 5: No, you know, we always say never lie to the FBI.

716
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 5: It's a felony. But with this guy, he broke the rule.

717
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 5: There's always exceptions to the role. True got us saluted.

718
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: Can't prove it.

719
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 2: They couldn't say like, oh, here's a U on camera

720
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 2: watching anyway, Like I.

721
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: Was clipping the toenails at the time and I wasn't

722
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: looking at the wind.

723
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got scared.

724
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: Sorry for existing.

725
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: I thought, is U FBI guys do some FBI guys stuff.

726
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 5: So the next morning, the FBI they discovered the break

727
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 5: in right at their field office. They're doing all their investigating,

728
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 5: and they throw two hundred field agents at like trying

729
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: to solve this. They obersn't mad embarrassed, right, They find

730
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: that the burglars made off with an unknown number of

731
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,719
Speaker 5: sensitive and classified FBI files.

732
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: They're panicked, so.

733
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: Working with what little information they can gather those in

734
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 5: those first heady days the FBI, they get a police

735
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 5: sketch going from various witnesses who think they saw something

736
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 5: and they can't come back with a young woman and

737
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: they have their sketch. The FBI field agents they're like,

738
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 5: that looks a lot like that young woman who came

739
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: in here and wanted to invest and wanted to ask

740
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 5: them about the opportunities for women.

741
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: That college journalists. What was her name?

742
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 5: The Field agents they launched his manhunt for this student journalist,

743
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 5: Bonnie Rain. That she'd given them a fake name, obviously,

744
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 5: so they look and they look, and meanwhile, where is

745
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 5: our amateur heist crew?

746
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: I don't know.

747
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: Well, let's take a.

748
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: Little break, Elizabeth, and when we get back, I will

749
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 5: tell you where Bonnie and the boys are. Elizabeth, you'd

750
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 5: ready to hear more about your girl, Bonnie Rain, so he.

751
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: Can't make you love her if you don't.

752
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: I'm loving this. I don't know how many Bonnie Rates lyrics,

753
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: you know, but.

754
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: I must start digging deep.

755
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 5: So our amateur heist crew and Bonnie Rains are laying low,

756
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 5: like lower than like on like a worm's belly, right

757
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 5: hiding out in a farmhouse outside of town. And they're

758
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 5: going over the FBI files to see what they stole.

759
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 5: So they're just outside of media, just in a farm house,

760
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 5: like't look here. So one memo that they find, they

761
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 5: find this directive that advises Field agents to go after

762
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 5: anti war protesters and student activists and black power activists

763
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: like the Black Panthers to make them feel like they

764
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 5: were being hunted, really.

765
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: Go after them, and that's in the memo.

766
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, to go out of their way as field

767
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 5: agents to quote enhance the paranoia. Get the point across

768
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 5: that there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox.

769
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 3: You are the most dangerous game.

770
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 5: There was also the burglars. They found a memo from

771
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 5: j Edgar Hoover himself. He was instructing agents and I.

772
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 9: Quote effective immediately, all black student unions and similar organizations

773
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 9: organized to protect the demands of black students which are

774
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 9: not presently under investigation, are to be subjects of discrete

775
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 9: preliminary inquiries to determine background and if their activities warrant

776
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 9: active investigation.

777
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 5: All of them, Any black student union in any university

778
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 5: across the country, they were all suspects in the eyes

779
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 5: of jail.

780
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: Everyone who's looking to protect someone.

781
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 5: That's an anti American. In Jaegar Hoover's eyes, you cannot

782
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 5: be protecting young black people. That is bad for the

783
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 5: future of Americas. So it doesn't take these amateurs long

784
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 5: to realize that they have some damning evidence of the

785
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 5: FBI's spying on Americans, when nobody believed that was the

786
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: case at the time. This is back when you know

787
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 5: they were the g men. So and also they're taking

788
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 5: parts in racist campaigns of terror and suppression, and they decide, well,

789
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: what are we going to do with this?

790
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 7: Now?

791
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 5: Also keep in mind they get caught with a single

792
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 5: piece of this paper years in federal price.

793
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

794
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,240
Speaker 5: So what should they do? What would you do, Elizabeth?

795
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 5: You have all these files now, suitcases of them.

796
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 4: Oh I would. I would deep throat it. I'd go

797
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 4: to the Washington Post or the New York Times and

798
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: be like.

799
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: Boom, exactly what they do?

800
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 5: They decided, we'll copy the files, send out packets of

801
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: ten to fourteen files to journalists at major newspapers. Yeah,

802
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 5: the ones who they think will expose jaigar Riover's g men.

803
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: They pick the New York Times, Washington Posts, the LA Times,

804
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 5: and then boom they hit them with it, right, different,

805
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 5: three different journalists and also two members of Congress.

806
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, nowadays, I don't know who i'd send it to today,

807
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 4: But then I would send it to the.

808
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 2: Washington And we're kind of missing that now. Well, more

809
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,879
Speaker 2: on that later. Now.

810
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 5: The only person who decides to investigate this is a

811
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 5: twenty nine year old religion reporter formerly of the Philadelphia Bulletin,

812
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 5: where she wants it a profile on John Rains, the

813
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: religion professor. But now she's moved on and she's working

814
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 5: at the national desk for the Washington Post. Right so,

815
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: and due to their past interactions with her, John and

816
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: Bonnie Rains, they are convinced that this woman will do

817
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 5: the right thing. So this young reporter, her name is

818
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 5: Betty Metzger okay, right now. When she receives the packets

819
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 5: of stolen classified FBI files, she runs them over to

820
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 5: a contact at the Justice Department and she's like, are

821
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 5: these real FBI files?

822
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: They're like, where did you get these? These are don't

823
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 2: show people.

824
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 5: So she wants She's got her confirmation and she's done

825
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 5: her due diligence. She writes up her first story, shows

826
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 5: it to her. Editors at the Washington Post are like,

827
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 5: where did you get this reporter doesn't reveal her sources?

828
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 5: I thought you guys knew this business.

829
00:36:59,680 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 2: Now.

830
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 5: This is, obviously, by the way, also years before Watergate.

831
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 5: This is also three months before Daniel Elsberg leaks the

832
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 5: Pentagon papers. She is the first of these big reveals

833
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 5: by the Washington Post. Wow, this is the Yeah, the

834
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: Washington Post the first big fight with Nixon's White.

835
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 3: House, and we don't we don't hear it.

836
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 2: Most people don't hear about her. Right.

837
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: Interesting, that's why I want you to know about you know,

838
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 5: my girl, Betty Medzger.

839
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: So that's M D. S.

840
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 6: G E. R.

841
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 5: If you want to google now. To make sure all

842
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 5: they had all their legal ducks in a row. The

843
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 5: Washington Post attorneys. They tell the paper's owner at the time,

844
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 5: Catherine Graham, that she should not publish a story without

845
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 5: comment from the Attorney General John Mitchell.

846
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

847
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 5: And we've talked about him and his wife in the past.

848
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 5: We talked about the Watergate story. Wild guy.

849
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

850
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 5: Anyway, Nixon loyalist John Mitchell has reached out to for comment.

851
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 7: Right.

852
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: He then turns around.

853
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 5: He threatens the Post, you can't give me those files back, right,

854
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 5: He's like, he demands that he puts out a public

855
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 5: press release that any paper that publishes these stolen classified

856
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 5: materials will be prosecuted under the lah blah blah blah.

857
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 5: He tries to bully the paper, right and her lawyers

858
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 5: they see this. They tell the owner of the Post,

859
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 5: Katherine Graham, do not publish this story. This will ruin

860
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 5: the paper. You'll lose everything, You'll be dragged through court.

861
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 5: The famous editor Ben Bradley, Right, yeah, real newspaper man

862
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 5: Washington Posts like legend. He goes to the young writer

863
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 5: Metzker and and the way she remembers it, he and

864
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 5: I quote insisted it. It was very important that it should

865
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 5: be in the paper.

866
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I love it. Yeah.

867
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: The editorial staff they debate what to do. They're like,

868
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do?

869
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 5: And we got owners on our side, but you know,

870
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 5: the lawyers are not. Finally, at ten pm, the owner

871
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 5: of the paper, Katherin Graham, she comes in. She decides

872
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 5: the Post would publish the stolen classified FBO. She makes

873
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 5: the call. So they're like, we're covering it, right. So

874
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 5: once they do, the other two newspapers who'd been sent this,

875
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 5: New York Times and the LA Times, decided not to

876
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 5: cover it, and they don't. Instead, not only that, they

877
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 5: returned the files to the FBI.

878
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: What oh Yeah.

879
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 5: So then the Washington Post, the only one, publishes their

880
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 5: first story in the FBI's field office break in on

881
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 5: March twenty fourth, nineteen seventy one. More stories follow than

882
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: once The Post starts writing about it. Then the New

883
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: York Times is like, oh, yes, we also have these

884
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 5: files I know, So the story gets out. Another journalist,

885
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 5: this dude cal Stern, a law correspondent from NBC. He

886
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 5: goes and helps break the story even bigger because he

887
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 5: finds this one word that sticks out to him, co

888
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 5: intel pro right. No one can figure out what it

889
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 5: meant or whatever referred to, so the story goes. This

890
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 5: reporter cal Stern is at a Senate Judiciary committee meeting

891
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 5: to sitting outside, like waiting for the meeting to start.

892
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 5: To read you speak, come out? Hey, He's just like whatever,

893
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 5: he's early, He's like, you are. So while he's waiting,

894
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 5: he's rifling through some of the stolen FBI files that

895
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 5: he happens to have. So he sees this handwritten word

896
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 5: co intel pro two words after it new left. He

897
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 5: gets curious. He reads more, and then he starts to

898
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 5: ask around. You know about co intel pro you know

899
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: hotel pro. No one's ever heard of the co intel

900
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: pro right, So he's like, how what am I gonna do?

901
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 5: A year later, nineteen seventy three, he files a Freedom

902
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: of Information Act request. That's when he gets some answers.

903
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 5: A federal judge takes his side in the lawsuit, and

904
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 5: that changes everything, right, so indefatigable reporter Cayl Stern, legal correspondent,

905
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 5: So each guy knows the ins and outs. Yeah, he's

906
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 5: like a dog with a bone. So he keeps after

907
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 5: this mystery of what does co intel pro New Left mean?

908
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 5: He gets his Freedom of Information Act approved by the judge,

909
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 5: a US district judge, bind you. So then he gets

910
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 5: more newly released FBI files to tell him what co

911
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 5: intel pro is. It's just four pages. He gets just

912
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 5: four pages.

913
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 3: And it is heavily redacted completely, But in.

914
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 5: These four pages he gets the answer. He learns that

915
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 5: co intel pro stands for counterintelligence program, and this program

916
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 5: had a few key targets, the Communist Party, the New Left,

917
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 5: white hate groups so like the KKKA, black extremists so

918
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 5: like black panthers, and the Socialist Workers Party. All right,

919
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 5: so Cayle Stern, he knows he's got his hands on

920
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 5: a hell of a story. Say files, another freedom of

921
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 5: information lawsuit. This time he wins again, and this time

922
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 5: he gets a much bigger tranch of files. This time

923
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 5: he gets fifty thousand pages. Fifty fifty thousand we asked

924
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 5: for the stuff on co intel pro this time, they're like, Okay,

925
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 5: here's all this.

926
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Stuff, right, yeah, I have you ever done that?

927
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 5: People bury them in? Good luck reading all this? Well,

928
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 5: he reads, He starts reading, and he starts reading. He

929
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: hires a couple of kids.

930
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: They read.

931
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: What he finds is this treasure trove of repression, suppression, oppression,

932
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 5: targeted harassment. He reads letters from the FBI to Martin

933
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 5: Luther King Junior that urged the civil rights leader to

934
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 5: end his own life.

935
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 2: He reads that letter. That's how we know about that.

936
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 5: There's a report of the FBI sending or recording that

937
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 5: they made of King having an affair, and the agent

938
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 5: sent the tape to his wife Kreta.

939
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, credit, what do you think about this? Hit? Play?

940
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 8: Right?

941
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 5: There are files that document how the FBI used the

942
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 5: press to plant stories that claimed that a Hollywood actress,

943
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 5: Jean Seberg or Gene Seaburg, was pregnant with the child

944
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 5: of a Black Panther activist right that ruined her career.

945
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 5: There are files about the FBI field agents using informants

946
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 5: to set up the Black Panther leader Fred Hampton for

947
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 5: assassination by the Chicago PD. This original journalist Betty metzger right,

948
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 5: who published this story in the Washington Post. She recalled

949
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: how damaging these secret FBI files were and just how

950
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 5: racist the FBI was in terms of its structures. She said,

951
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 5: and I quote, the documents revealed massive surveillance, particularly on

952
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: African Americans. FBI agents were required to have at least

953
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 5: one informant reporting to them on the actions of black

954
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 5: people every week, So one black informant for every FBI

955
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 5: field agents. The ground rule like you got your black,

956
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 5: where's your black?

957
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 2: Like that's insane.

958
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 5: So the results of these investigations and the revelations that

959
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 5: come out about the FBI's abuses of power, they cast

960
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: this white hot spotlight on this agency. Right, So at

961
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 5: this point, Gieger Hoover, he's dead. He escapes the scrutiny

962
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 5: to the politicians on Capitol Hill, though they also no

963
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 5: longer fear his bureau and all of its secrets. And

964
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 5: you know, right exactly, so they're free now than January

965
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 5: seventy five, the FBI is now the subject of the

966
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 5: Church Committee hearings Senator Frank Church of Idaho. He leads

967
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 5: this committee to investigate the abuses of the FBI, the NSA,

968
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 5: the CIA, the whole American intelligence community.

969
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: We've talked about this.

970
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: I won't go into all of it, but it's a

971
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 5: huge deal, right, It's a colossal embarrassment for the US

972
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 5: intelligence community. They got like senators holding up, now, this

973
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: is the heart attack gun that you can fire at Dart.

974
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 8: You know.

975
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 5: They're like, yes, that's the heart attack gun. Like how

976
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 5: many times did you try to kill caster? Eight hundred

977
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 5: and thirty eight times? You never got We never got him.

978
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 5: Did you try to kill them with an exploding sea show?

979
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: We did try to kill them.

980
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 5: It's like totally embarrassing, right. So at this point though,

981
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 5: they they basically get put on a short leash. They

982
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 5: have all these rules that they're given, and also it's

983
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: embarrassing to the whole government. This is like, you know,

984
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 5: right at the same time as Watergates a like, we

985
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 5: can't trust anybody in Washington. So these new rules that

986
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: they're given, because they can't slap rules on the president,

987
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 5: but they can on the FBI. The senators from the committee,

988
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 5: they go all FBI investigations to cap the last a

989
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 5: certain amount of time.

990
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: We've talked about that.

991
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's rules on like how and where they have

992
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 5: to have oversight, which we talked about that there's a

993
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: ten year term limit for FBI directors like you guys

994
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: can't be corrupt no more jig or hoovers, right right,

995
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 5: We're not doing that again, right. So, and they initiated

996
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 5: there will be congressional oversight of the Bureau by both

997
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 5: the House and the Senate.

998
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: But we both get to see your records.

999
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1000
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 5: So it's a public shaming, addressing down limits placed on power.

1001
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 5: And it all comes down to the revelations of co

1002
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 5: intel pro which of course was the result of our

1003
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 5: amateur break in crew, the Citizens Commission to investigate the FBI.

1004
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: Well done on the.

1005
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 5: Investigation Citizens Committee. Now, if you're wondering what happened to them,

1006
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 5: the amateur crew is as smart as hell about what

1007
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 5: they did. They stayed laying low, They didn't talk to anybody,

1008
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 5: they didn't brag about what they did, they didn't give interviews,

1009
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 5: they didn't flip on each other for the rewards. At

1010
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 5: one point after the robbery, the FBI came to the

1011
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 5: House of John and Bonnie Rains in May of seventy one,

1012
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 5: like just right afterwards clearly they were suspects. Two field

1013
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 5: agents come. They questioned John. They're like, hey, man, where

1014
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 5: were you on March eighth, nineteen seventy one? And it

1015
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 5: was like, that's this year, man, what are you talking about?

1016
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 5: Why you're saying nineteen seventy one?

1017
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: That's weird.

1018
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 5: So anyway, they asked him point blank if he had

1019
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 5: anything to do with the break in, right, and he's like,

1020
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 5: oh no, this is where he's super smart. He's extra

1021
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 5: careful not to lie to the FBI. Instead, he gets

1022
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 5: to them to know, you know, he knows never lie

1023
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 5: to the FBI. Right, he gets mad, he starts arguing, He's.

1024
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 2: Like, how dare you you think?

1025
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 5: He gets indignant if goes heykay, calm now, come on man,

1026
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 5: nineteen seventy one.

1027
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,240
Speaker 2: We don't need all that hassle.

1028
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 5: So then they bounce out right, and that's the closest

1029
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 5: the FBI ever gets to catching any member of the

1030
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 5: Citizens Committee to investigate the FBI.

1031
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 2: Over time, they.

1032
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 5: All go their own ways, Secret stays with them, and

1033
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: then one day, many years later, in nineteen eighty eight,

1034
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 5: the reporter Betty Metzger, she's having a dinner party with

1035
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 5: some old friends John and Bonnie Rains, and at one

1036
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: point they at this point they know the statute of

1037
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 5: limitations have now expired, right, so they finally confess to

1038
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 5: their old friend. Remember those FBI files that made your career,

1039
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 5: That was us, Bonny Teller. So yeah, and then she's

1040
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 5: like stun flabbergasted. She's like, my mouth fell open. That's

1041
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 5: a direct quote. But at this point the whole crew

1042
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 5: is safe. The dangerous passed. The FBI officially closed their

1043
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 5: investigation in nineteen seventy six, probably due to the Church

1044
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 5: Committee hearings. Yeah, they're like, we don't need more headlines anyway. Recently,

1045
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty one, there was an unveiling of a

1046
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 5: historical marker to denote the spot where the break end occurred.

1047
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 5: Really yeah, then the undercover fake college journalist Bonnie Rains,

1048
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 5: she recollected at the time quote, how fifty years ago

1049
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 5: we were criminals and now we're heroes, which just goes

1050
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 5: to show perspective changes with time. Sometimes you're a hero

1051
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 5: or a villain just depends on when the story is

1052
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 5: being told. So lockpick artist Keith Forsyth, he gave credit

1053
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: to his like moral upbringing in the Midwest as that's

1054
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 5: what motivated him to go become a lock pick artist, right,

1055
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 5: And he's like, once the deed was done, I didn't

1056
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 5: want any credit, no acclaim. He's once again very Midwestern. Yeah,

1057
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 5: so he doesn't want to be known as a hero.

1058
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 5: He's wanted the secrets to be out, to be known

1059
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 5: by the people.

1060
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: He said.

1061
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 5: I questioned these questions of democracy that we always have

1062
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: to consider over and over again, he said, and I quote,

1063
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 5: when is it right to break the law? What is

1064
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 5: is right for a government to do in a democracy?

1065
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 5: What should be secret or not secret? And he concluded,

1066
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 5: if it provokes discussions of that, then I'm all for it.

1067
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 5: So nice cheers to him.

1068
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1069
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 5: Now, the FBI, they did comment on their role in

1070
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 5: all of this mm hmm, and importantly their role in

1071
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 5: the illegal abuses of American citizens, FBI spokesman Michael Corton

1072
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: said in an official statement, and I quote, a number

1073
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 5: of events during that era, including the burglary, contributed to

1074
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 5: changes in how the FBI identified and addressed domestic security threats,

1075
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 5: leading to reform of the FBI's intelligence policies and practices,

1076
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 5: including the creation of investigative guidelines by the Department of justice.

1077
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 5: So according to the FBI's logic, the break in was

1078
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 5: a good thing. Now the professor learned totally, we all

1079
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 5: became better lessons learned John Rains, the husband of Bonnie.

1080
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 5: He summed it up. I think the best, he said,

1081
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 5: and I quote Hoover lost freedom.

1082
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 2: I So there you go.

1083
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: It's beautiful.

1084
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway here?

1085
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 4: That I really liked the idea that they were villains

1086
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 4: and then the heroes, and you know, things adapt over time.

1087
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: They did what was right and in the end, you know,

1088
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 4: the hard work paid off totally, even when it didn't look.

1089
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: Like it was gonna work. Zaren, what's your ridiculous take.

1090
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Elizabeth, thank you for asking.

1091
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 3: My pleasure mine is you.

1092
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 5: Know, always look for that second door, right because she

1093
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: just happened to remember it was behind that and she

1094
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 5: wouldn't have looked, but.

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Speaker 4: She is an observer. Listen to your filing cabneck, get

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Speaker 4: in your way.

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Speaker 2: Never let that second.

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Speaker 3: Life so you get a burger.

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Speaker 2: Of course, that's the other day rule. So should we

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Speaker 2: refresh our palates with a talkback?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I need one so bad.

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Speaker 2: Can you favor us with a talk bag.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I went cheat.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Elizabeth is there and producer Dave unpaid interns. I

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Speaker 8: just got done listening to the John Brinkley episode. And

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Speaker 8: two facts that I also love about John Brinkley. One

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Speaker 8: he was given a honorary title of Admiral of the

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Speaker 8: Kansas Navy. And two the farmer who he helped in

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Speaker 8: his first procedure with the testicles. They ended up naming

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Speaker 8: their kid Billy after it was done Bike Philly.

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Speaker 3: Goat yeah, the Kansas Navy.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: You know, we always you can find us online Ridiculous

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Speaker 5: Crime on our social media's. We have that website, ridiculous

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Speaker 5: Crime dot com. We got a bunch of new merch,

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Speaker 5: so go check that out. Get yourself a mug, a hoodie,

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Speaker 5: a shirt, all sorts of stuff, stickers, magnets, I don't

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Speaker 5: even know. But also we love your talkbacks obviously, so

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Speaker 5: please go the iHeart app, download it, leave one. Maybe

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Speaker 5: we'll hear your voice here and if you'd like, also,

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Speaker 5: you can email us at Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 5: Send us a photo of you in the merch, maybe

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Speaker 5: we'll put it up on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: Do it.

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Speaker 2: So there you go once again, thanks for listening. We

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Speaker 2: will catch you next. Crime.

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Speaker 5: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnett,

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Speaker 5: produced and edited by the star of Dave Does Dallas,

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Speaker 5: Dave Cousten, and starring Annalys Rucker as Tudith. Research is

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Speaker 5: by Marissa I Love, Katherine Graham Brown and Andrea I

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Speaker 5: Also Love Katherine Graham. Song Sharpened Tear, our theme song

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Speaker 5: is by Joe Fraser's backup band, The Knockouts, Thomas Lee

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Speaker 5: and Travis Dutt. The host wardrobe provided by Body five hundred,

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Speaker 5: guest Haarn mackup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers

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Speaker 5: are Howard Cosell, cosplayers Ben Bolden and Noel.

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Speaker 7: Brown dis Why Say It One More Time? Geeks Crime.

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