1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Warning, Today's episode contains spoilers for House of the Dragon 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: season two finale, so be careful, be careful, don't listen 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: to this before you watch that. Also, we're gonna go 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: into some book stuff towards the end of our conversation 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: and we will mark that out for you. We will 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: announce that, but if you haven't read the book, don't 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: go any further unless you want to know book stuff. Hello, 8 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: my name is Jason Concepcion and on Marsday Night, and 9 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 1: welcome back to x ray Vision, the podcast where we 10 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: dive deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics and pop culture. 11 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Coming to you from my Heart podcast where we're bringing 12 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: you to action packed episodes every Tuesday and Thursday. 13 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: In today's episode on so previously on we're talking about 14 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: that Max Slate teaser that gave us our first look 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: at a Night of the Seven Kingdoms in action in 16 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: the airlock. We will be breaking down the House of 17 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: the Dragon season two finale, and we've got a special 18 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: interview with the director of that fantastic finally, Gita Patel, 19 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: who is an absolute joy. And we'll be finishing out 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 2: with our scorecard telling you who we think won overall. 21 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: This season. Was it the Green Team? Was it the 22 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 3: Black Team? We'll let you know. 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: First up on the previously on only up really our 24 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: only news. After the House of Dragon finale, there was 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: a little trailer from Max kind of hyping its upcoming 26 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: slate of originals, including the Penguin, including a new season 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: of White Lotus, a new season of the Last of Us, 28 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: and then, most importantly for our purposes, a four three 29 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: second snippet of the upcoming Game of Thrones, House of 30 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: the Dragon spinoff series, A Night of the Seven Kingdoms. 31 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: We don't see much, but we see a little bit. 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: You see Sir Duncan, the Tall who is going to 33 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: be our main character in this story. And then we 34 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: see young egg Eggon Targerian, Yet another egg On Targarian. 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: So many Eggons, so. 36 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: Many Eggons nicknamed egg And this is a show that 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: is set about one hundred years before Game of Thrones 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: and that follows the adventures of these you know, very 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: different to people. I'm looking forward to it the super 40 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: fun Yeah. And it looks good. 41 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we want to see. 42 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: It looks very I feel like they're leading into that 43 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: adventurous side that we want to see from this. It's 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: giving medieval adventure. It's reminded me of old classics like Willow. 45 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 2: I can't wait to see more. I think they cost 46 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 2: these characters very well. It's going to be a hilarious 47 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: kind of unexpected buddy duo, which is what we want. 48 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, looks great. 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: Up next, the House of the Dragon season two finale. Okay, 50 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: House of the Dragon Season two, episode eight, we open 51 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: it in Sauce, Thailand. Lanister has been tasked with negotiating 52 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: an alliance with the triarchy, the crazy wild rum swilling 53 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: pirates of the Triarchy in order to bring that naval 54 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: force onto the side of the Greens so they can 55 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: break this blockade that is strangling the economy of kings Landing. 56 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: Now the triarchy have all the leverage in this conversation. 57 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it doesn't affect them. They're living life 58 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: high on the hog. They are not impacts. 59 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: As they say to Thailand, it's like we're you know, 60 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: we're doing our thing regardless, like what do you really 61 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: have to offer? And so Thailand says, okay, well what 62 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: do you want to say? They say, Okay, the Stepstones, 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, we tried to seize them. We fought a 64 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: protracted war over them that we eventually lost. But let's 65 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: admit it, we gave you guys a run for your money. 66 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 1: So we want the Stepstones and we want to be 67 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: able to levy taxes in the Narrow Sea as we want. 68 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: And Thailand doesn't want to do this. He's thinking Aimend 69 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: is going to have my head for this. But he 70 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: did tell me to go get the triarchy, and if 71 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: this is what it means, then fine, let's have this 72 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: conversation now. As a condition of the deal, Thailand must 73 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: earn the respect of the Pirate Fleet Commander Shirako Lohar 74 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: by besting her at some kind of competition to be named. 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: Later, and she's looking excited about it. 76 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: She can't wait. Meanwhile, in the Crownlands, a petulant Aimend 77 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: recently seen running in fear for his life away from Dragonstone, 78 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: and several newly rided dragons rided. 79 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: Is that it is that ever you've just made it up? 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: It is now has just burned Sharp Point seat of 81 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Lord Barramon, who's one of the Black Council again in 82 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: this committed a war crime and a kind of fit 83 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: of peak. 84 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,239 Speaker 2: I just I have to say I'm very disappointed and aimoned, 85 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: not like morally, but because I did think he would 86 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: at least be a smart villain. Until he just got power. 87 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: He was really seeming like he could be a schemer 88 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: and a. 89 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 3: Plota and a player. 90 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 2: But really I feel like he's more of just an 91 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: angry teenager, like he hasn't shown out in the way 92 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: I expected. 93 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: I think you're exactly right, you know, he is. He 94 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: growing up and before he became prince regent, he was 95 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: the one who studied. He was the one that learned 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: Hi Valerian. He's the one with the biggest dragon. He's 97 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: the best sword on their side. He had lived his 98 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: life in a way that you could tell he wanted 99 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: everybody to know, like I should be the leader, not 100 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: my idiot, reprobate brother. And yet, and yet, and yet, Rosie, 101 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: it's hard to ignore the fact that like Eggon has 102 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: been right about everything, like up until now he was. 103 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: He was right that, you know, we had that little 104 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: conflict with Otto the first day he's on the throne. 105 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: He was right when he said, listen, the small folk 106 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: are going to be an important part of this process, 107 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: this war, and we have to keep them happy. He 108 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: was right about that. Amon has no respect for that, 109 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: and we see that like later on in this episode 110 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: when he's basically like nobody can even fish anymore, no boats. 111 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: He does not care. 112 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: Eggon was right when he said Rook's rest like seems 113 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: like a detour. Why don't we go straight to heron 114 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: hall and route Damon out of there before he can 115 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: put an army together. Well, now Damon has put an 116 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: army together, and it looks like he was right. Looks 117 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: like he was right about that. Now he was wrong 118 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: to fly off drunk. 119 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 3: Okay, look, we all made mistakes. 120 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: As a matter of policy. It certainly seemed like he 121 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: was right about a lot of stuff. 122 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 2: And also as well, you know what, even though he 123 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 2: flew off drunk, his mentality of like the king should 124 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: be there fighting alongside the army also not terrible. He 125 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: just didn't do it in this smart way. So yeah, 126 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: very disappointed with amend. But how's Eggon doing anyway? 127 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: Egon is getting put through his physical therapy with or 128 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: While and Laris. They are really putting him through it. 129 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: Laris comes and says, Okay, the reason why I've signed 130 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: you up for Orange Theory and have been doing two 131 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: weeks with you so that you can really get your 132 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: win back. Is because now the time is now. Rania 133 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: has new dragons gout or old dragons new riders. I 134 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: should say, the aim End has recently been put to 135 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: flight over Dragonstone ran in fear for his life. That's 136 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: what the entire realm is talking about. Their armies are 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: on the march. Our armies are also on the march, 138 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: but they're really really away from us right now, and 139 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: we are looking out across the bay at multiple dragons. 140 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: The time has come to leave. Aimon also, Laris says, 141 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: probably wants you dead. 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 3: He's gonna kill you. 143 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: He's gonna kill you. Eggon really doesn't want to leave. 144 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: He is the king after all, and when Laris proposes 145 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: that they go to Bravos, where he's hidden all the 146 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: family money, Eggon is like, what Bravo? Where? Why are 147 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: we gonna go to fucking Bravos. He also lets Laris 148 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: know that his injuries are much more severe than even 149 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the severe injuries that we can see and will certainly 150 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: hinder his ability to procreate in the future. So that's 151 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: what Eggon is dealing with. But Laris is he is 152 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: committed to this, like you've got to leave here, We've 153 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: got to go. 154 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 3: He's like, I'll share my gold with you. Birth like 155 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 3: we can live well together. 156 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: So they make they make their preparations to leave. We're 157 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: in the Veil raina stalking the sheep. Stealer eventually comes 158 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: face to face with the Dragon. We go to Dragonstone, 159 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 1: where Jace has his first run in with all dude folks. 160 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: Off with his head. I'm chopping his head. 161 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: Honestly, I think so too. 162 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, off with his Here's here's one. 163 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: Thing we've learned from the dragon Seed project. There's other 164 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: dragon writers out there. We don't need to be married 165 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: to this guy who's causing us so many problems. So 166 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: Jace comes into the council chambers where Off is munching 167 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: on chicken wings and has his. 168 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 3: Feet up, and he's said that like Raneer, a seat. 169 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: Has is sitting. Never seen it as his feet up 170 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: on egg on the conqueror's map table. 171 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: He spent time making a table. 172 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 4: Guys, respect, this is unbelievable and so obviously this seems 173 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 4: like it's gonna be a problem. Hughes seems okay and 174 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: is trying to mediate is like, of this is the 175 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: Prince you couldn't tell by the beautiful capes, the beautiful hair, 176 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 4: the face card it is on ten. That's ten of 177 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: ten face card that this kid's like putting out here. 178 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: You know. Jase's like, listen, Off, you claim the dragon congratulations, 179 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: But if I get even a hint that you're going 180 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: to go sideways on us, I'm going to hang you 181 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: in feed your body to the dogs, okay, to which 182 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: I say, Jace, feed, hang them and feed his by 183 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: of the. 184 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 2: Dogs, because this man is nothing but look at also 185 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: as well. 186 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 3: The thing that blew my. 187 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: Mind here is once Off knows that Jase is the Prince, 188 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 2: he doesn't rain, and he starts ragging on him for 189 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 2: having brown hair, and. 190 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I'm exactly the wrong thing to say 191 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: is that hair. Let's not call attention to the fact 192 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: that you Off have the blondish hair and that young 193 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: prince Jason does not Let's not do that. Don't of 194 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: course does it because the is no absolutely no filter, 195 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: and his no bombs, doing bro hugs with the Prince 196 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: like their long lost cousins, which they are. 197 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 2: But like, come on, I gotta say, look, if the 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: Sias was here, you know, he would have just had 199 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: none of it. He would have chopped off his head. 200 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: But Sarah's did not let anyone disrespect the kids. And 201 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 2: I feel like off is too comfortable already nearer rner. 202 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: We need another one. We can get the other ones. 203 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: Did any of them not die? 204 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 2: You found free in like twenty four hours? Like, just 205 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: spend like a couple more days finding another one. 206 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 3: Feed off to the dragon. It's all good, that's right. 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,079 Speaker 1: Raniera speaks with Corlis about the new riders, about the 208 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: dragon Seeds. The hand speaks up for Adam of Hull, 209 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: who he does not know at all. No, but he 210 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: doesn't know this guy. 211 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: But he still is. 212 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: Like, you know, how the dudes from what I know? 213 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's like, I wish I had spent 214 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 2: more time with them. Ranera is not, like he's clearly preppy. 215 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: What's the funny thing about this is Corlis is clearly 216 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: very very proud, even though he had no hand in 217 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: this one. Now he's now quite proud of his boys. 218 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: And Corlis says, we have the dragon Riders, our armies 219 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: are on the march. Now is the time while we 220 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: have the advantage, And Verniera's like, are you sure I 221 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: was thinking? More of we have more dragons and insurance 222 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: and we scare them, and Carlos is like, no, you know, 223 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: let's get active. Now is the time to get out 224 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: there and get active before Darren and to Sarion and 225 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 1: who knows, maybe Helena and Dreamfire get into the mix. 226 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 1: The Lanisters of course, and then high Towers are marching, 227 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: so let's do this now before all of those other 228 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: pieces enter the game. Corliss then adds that listen, you 229 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: know that Aimed after getting turned away over Dragonstone, is 230 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: going to be unhinged. Now, he's going to be hard 231 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: to predict. He's going to be on a war path. 232 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: It's time to shut them down completely. Also, he says, 233 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: my ship is my flagship that I've been fixing this 234 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: entire season is now almost ready and I'm naming it 235 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: after my wife. Yes, Queen, it never was does that? 236 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: Remember her? 237 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: Remember she saved us, She saved our shit. So that's 238 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: what we're doing. We go to heron hall. Damon's army 239 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: is looking great, turn it around. 240 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 2: I have to say, he wasn't doing very well, but 241 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: the magic of Luigi's mansion has allowed him to get 242 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 2: his host. 243 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: Now I will say, here is one place where you know, 244 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: people can feel however they want to feel about the show. 245 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: I've seen some criticism that Damon's not doing anything there. 246 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: I will say that for me, I don't think that 247 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,719 Speaker 1: at all. And for me, one of the things I 248 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: really appreciated about Damon's ark, aside from the magical Luigi's 249 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: Mansion stuff which I loved, is watching the process of 250 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: what it means to put together an army of like 251 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,480 Speaker 1: forty thousand guys. They don't just spring up out of 252 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: the ground exactly. You know. For me, a lot of 253 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: the a lot of the audiences and my criticisms of 254 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: like late Game of Thrones was like everything's happening too fast. 255 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they got rid of how long it took. 256 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 257 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it that we're watching the process. He's 258 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: the political machinations, all the things of like convincing the 259 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: lords that they need to support him, and then we 260 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: need to arm them, and then we need a place 261 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: for them together. Anyway, all of that stuff is bearing 262 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 1: fruit now. Alfred Broom, the Queen, remember, sent to go 263 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: check on Damon, see what's going on, goes to speak 264 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: to Damon. They go to the gods would to speak 265 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: and basically Broom gets right to it. Treachery. He's like, hey, immediately, 266 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: immediately treason. He says, listen, you know I love Herdierra, 267 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: and I like what she's doing. I think our heart's 268 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: in the right place. We need a man. We need 269 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: a swing dick. CROs, we need some bros right now. 270 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: The realm is crying out, dude for a swinging dick. 271 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: And that means you. 272 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: The best paw of this that I didn't realize untill 273 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 2: I watched it like the third time and I had 274 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 2: the captions on. As soon as he steps into the 275 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: god's word, it says Tita, like whisper. Yeah, the whisper 276 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: just says Tita. 277 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: I love that. He's like, did you hear that? And 278 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: then and then David's like, this place will have you 279 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: fucking barking at the moment he's worry about it. 280 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: Also so strong. 281 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: Maybe love his reaction shots. All throughout this episode. 282 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: He's doing so much. 283 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: He's got his beautiful velvet drip on, he's spending the 284 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: Haroenhall money on his nice clothes. 285 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: But he is also a real one. He is not 286 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 3: He's not gonna let this go. 287 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: He's a real team black guy. He overhears this little 288 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: conversation between Broom and Damon, and he's alarmed. 289 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: While it may seem like a wasted effort in the 290 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: face of dragons and death and having sex with queens 291 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 2: to try and make money in this society, we still 292 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: have to do it. 293 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 3: So please listen to these messages from us. 294 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 1: Once we're back, we go to King's Landing, where Aimon 295 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: learns from Sir Jasper Wilde, the Iron Rod, the Master 296 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: of Laws, how Whenira did it, that she scoured the 297 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: city for the bastards, for silver haired bastards or other 298 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: bastards who even have a whiff of a rumor about them, 299 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: that they come from a targarian, and that she had 300 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: them all shipped over to Dragon so aimed legitimately closing 301 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: the barn door after the courses of Runaway says, well, 302 00:16:56,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: I'll take care of that. No more ships, no more shipping, 303 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: cut off all shipping the capital. That means no fishing, 304 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: that means no transports, that means no food coming in. 305 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 1: That means nothing. Seems dumb, And Jasper's like, are you 306 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: sure everybody's like kind of starving? We've had like food 307 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 1: riots already. Sure want to do that well, and then 308 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: Aman is like, well, we'll see how hungry they are 309 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: when they're dead because we're scared. Oh. Up in the 310 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: Queen's chambers, Helena is like, Mom, why are the small 311 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: folcatos because they're fucking starving and we're in charge. 312 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 2: That's your guy sucked, Like yeah, can't even just sneak 313 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: out some loaves of bread to them? 314 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 3: Like they don't they don't have a cynical pr mindset. 315 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 2: Like I think a lot about you know, Marjorie and 316 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: how she'd be down there and a small folks and 317 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: breaking bread like you know, Alison, I believe that you 318 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: could have that kind of mindset, like you know, you 319 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: got a little cut on your arm. But I just 320 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: feel like you guys should have thought this through. You 321 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: have a lot of food in the red keep. But yeah, 322 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 2: they hate you because they're hungry. 323 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: Babe, Alison says, Listen, things are going to continue to 324 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: get bad. What do you say, Helena, my wonderful, beautiful, 325 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: strange daughter, what do you say we leave before that 326 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: conversation can go anywhere? Aimed still like smelling like a 327 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: war crime. 328 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: He's charging in furious, he's got he's lost it. 329 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: He's like, this guy is like on five rockstar energy drinks, 330 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: yet least he's cranked up. Absolutely. He's like, mom, Helena, listen, uh, Helena, 331 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: you're joining the war. If we need your dragon, get in, 332 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: get on here. You're doing it. And to Helena is 333 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: extremely existent that she doesn't want to do it. She 334 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: doesn't want to do it. Aimon is equally assistant. He 335 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: grabs her, he drags her across the room. I'll just say, like, 336 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: I understand the rationale. 337 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 5: M hm. 338 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 1: I think it's not an unreasonable ask, but this is 339 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: crazy to go about it this week. 340 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I feel like there's a way wild him. 341 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 2: This is another thing that I think Aimond has lost 342 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 2: since he gained this power. He always loved Elena, they 343 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: had they did have a connection as kids. I feel 344 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 2: like he could have approached this in a totally different 345 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 2: way and talk to her about maybe you could go 346 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: and just fly around the blockade to try and scare them. 347 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: You don't have to burn anyone like you and dream 348 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: Fire potentially could help us. But instead he just grips 349 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: his her up, tries to commit some light assault and 350 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 2: is just absolutely deranged and it's like, you're gonna kill people. 351 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 3: You're gonna burn people and you don't have a choice. 352 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Alison didn't, he have it out and he's like, 353 00:19:55,600 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, you've become a monster. You burned sharp point 354 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: and for what That's a move that reeks of weakness. 355 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: Helena should be protected, you should be protecting the Week. 356 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: Instead you're exploiting the Week and killing them. 357 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: And that's it, almost crying, he's really he's on edge. 358 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: Allison then after this goes to Orwhile to ask for help. 359 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: Leaving the city, we go to the riverlands somewhere where 360 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: the force that the Kingmaker Christen Cole has been sent 361 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 1: back out with is camping somewhere, and Sir GWayne, finally 362 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: having had enough of Kristen Cole fucking his sister the Queen, 363 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: he just pulls out a sword, pulls out a sword 364 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: and approaches Kristen Cole, who we should note in that 365 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: moment is like two nostrils and ten toes deep into 366 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: Allison's breast napkin. 367 00:20:55,080 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 3: Inhaling the scent, which is gone, I must say, he's 368 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: long gone. 369 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: It only smells of like murder and fire and stinky 370 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: men on the warp off like it does not smell 371 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: of Alison anymore. 372 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's just what he needs it. It brings 373 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: him back to his happy plays. And Gowing is like, listen, 374 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: I know you're fucking with sister. I could have you 375 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: sent to the wall. I could have you killed, and 376 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: he like, how dare you? And Christen Cole is like, yeah, 377 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 1: you could send me the wall, but then everybody's gonna 378 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 1: know that your sister's fucking adornishment and that'd be terrible 379 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: for the High Tower. Names. You're not gonna do that, right, Okay, 380 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: You're not gonna do that, And then Christen Cole just 381 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: goes into this wonderful existential monologue about men are corrupt 382 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna stop fucking the queen. And I'll 383 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: tell you why I'm not gonna stop fucking the queen 384 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: because I love her. He didn't say that in so 385 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: many words, but it's like, she's all I live for. 386 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: And also, we're in a dragon war now and we 387 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: could all be turned to ash in any moment. We're 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: planning all these things and putting this one on the 389 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: throne and putting that one on the throne, all these 390 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, big movements of armies across the landscape, and 391 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: yet in thirty seconds we could all be wiped out 392 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: by any of the dragons that are flying out here. 393 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,440 Speaker 1: And and honestly, it would be a relief. 394 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: Foot into that to be some kind of relief. 395 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: It would be a relief to be to be ushered 396 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: off of this mortal realm by dragon flame. And at 397 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: least there, perhaps in the in the in the life 398 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: beyond this, I could remain in Allison's tit napkin for 399 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: all time. It was just an incredible speech. 400 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 3: For Fabian just absolutely smashed this. 401 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I love it. 402 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: I was really just like, wow, this this guy, you 403 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 3: know what, He's got something I guess. 404 00:22:55,280 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 2: I like, everything is irrelevant, The oath is irrelevant, status 405 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 2: is irrelevant, Like everything is irrelevant because you're just gonna 406 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: get burnt up by some dragon. Also, there's so many 407 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: memorable moments in this. There's that great line where he's 408 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: something like He's like, you know, like my desire for 409 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: women has only ever caused me trouble or something. No, 410 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: your desire for queens, like like for queens guys. But yeah, 411 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: just unbelievable. Ten out of ten fantastic. Christin Cole moment, 412 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 2: I'm still a hater, but in this moment I was 413 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 2: less of a hater. 414 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: There's also that moment where where Gwaen basically says like, 415 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: stop sucking my sister, and then he's like yeah, but 416 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: like it's good, and then and then Gween's and then 417 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: going it's like, yeah, but your brothers in the King's 418 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: guards seem to manage to not fuck women all the time. 419 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: And then it's like that do they like, Okay, I know, Kaway. 420 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: My favorite thing is Kristin Cole gets GWayne to not 421 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: kill him and lower his sword by just bumming him out. 422 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 2: He's just he just bums him out, and Gown puts 423 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: that sort away and just like sits down next to 424 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: Christen Cole. 425 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: Magnificent. 426 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Then we go to we go back to Esos where Thailand, 427 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: and like a scene out of The Magnificent Seven is 428 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: mud wrestling commander Lohar. He earns the Lycene commander's respect 429 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 1: by elbowing her in the face. Yea gets the triarchy's allegiance. 430 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: Lohar invites Thailand to a cannibal feast. But it's just 431 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: a joke. 432 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: Uh, definitely, don't worry. Yeah, just a normal feast, big 433 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 3: embaku energy. 434 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we go to Dragonstone, where Bayla has to tell 435 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: Jason to stop pounding. 436 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 2: Oh my god, his powder is so powerful though, Like 437 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: they literally he looks almost like like a meme, like 438 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: he's then his lips are so full and they've got 439 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: this side and he is literally just pouting. But I 440 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 2: do have to say I love this scene so much, Like, 441 00:24:57,520 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: I think it's great the chemistry and energy between the 442 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 2: to in the way that Harry manages to like. 443 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: He just like does this side that makes him feel so. 444 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 2: Utterly teenage when he stops housing, and you just kind 445 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: of remember that they're. 446 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: Just kids, you know. And I think they both have 447 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: a good point, you know. Jace, I think is the 448 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 1: only one, for very selfish reasons, but still the only 449 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: one to really be raising any important notes about this 450 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: whole dragon scene thing, which is obviously going to come 451 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: with just spend five minutes off, is obviously going to 452 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: come with lots of unintended consequences. And I think Bail 453 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: also has a point that like, listen, you think you're 454 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: the first bastard prince, you think you're the first one. 455 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: Come on, let's just get on with it. At the 456 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: meat feast where Lohart makes Thailand sink sea shanties, which 457 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: he is assed. 458 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: Thailand is really going through it in this episode, I 459 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 3: just have he's going through it. 460 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: He but he somehow manages to charm Lohar, who has 461 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: an incredible offer Thailand. You're a good looking rich man. 462 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 3: Why don't you too, as they point out, which is huge, 463 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: why don't you? 464 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: Why don't you impregnant all my wives? 465 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: And he's like iconic, I think, go down and Game 466 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 3: of Thrones history line. He's like, how many whyes? What 467 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: sounds good to me? 468 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: At the welcome feast on Dragonstone, Raniera toasts the new riders, 469 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: who I'm calling alternately whoa or aho? Okay either I 470 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: haven't decided, we'll go okay so uh hua. If they 471 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 1: prove themselves to the Queen, Raniera tells them, which means, 472 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, follow orders, don't do crazy SHITLF looking at you, 473 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: you will become knights, to which Ulf of course has 474 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: to add his little just like he can't just shoot 475 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: and be like okay, great, He's gotta fucking say stuff. 476 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 2: I was having this argument yesterday when we did like 477 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: an amazing we did like a Game of Thrones themed 478 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: like spread and wow and Peesz's house and she cooked 479 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: all these little delicious pork pies and we had like 480 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: a roast chicken and stuff. But I was disagreeing with 481 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 2: folks when we were watching it, because the truth is, Look, 482 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,239 Speaker 2: I get it to some mind. People are like, well, 483 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 2: OLF's just speaking up. He's just being a working man, 484 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: like he's not taking it. He doesn't care about the royals. 485 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 2: I think that argument is fine, you could argue that, 486 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 2: But in this scene, he's so awful to the serving 487 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: staff that I don't think he's some like great working 488 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: class hero come in to tell them off. He's just 489 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 2: an arrogant man's who can smell us a scent of 490 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: power that he might be able to get. 491 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: You make a great point. I think you're right, And 492 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: I also think this. You know, the feudal system, there's 493 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: like this complex layers of like bonds that tie these 494 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: people together, none of which apply really to Hue and 495 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 1: off kind of to Adam, but like qwan Off, No, 496 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: And part of that is one there's the loyalty, but 497 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: there's also leverage like remember in season one and Game 498 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: of Thrones, where why is young Gradejoy with the starts. 499 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 1: He's there as a ward, yes, but also as a 500 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: hostage against the Grade Druys who had a rebellion in 501 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: the early days of King Roberts train as a way 502 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: to ensure that they don't do it again. Now there's 503 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: a lot of benefits because kid gets to forge alliances 504 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: and learn about a different part of the realm that 505 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: he might not maybe visit. And then the downside is 506 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: you don't you don't grow up with your family. But 507 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: the essential usage of this kind of system is that like, okay, 508 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 1: you get out of the line, we kill you with 509 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: Olf and with Hugh. What are you going to do 510 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: if they decide to fly off in the drag and 511 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: do something crazy? What can you do? I think you know, 512 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: we've had a lot of notes from Nero. One of 513 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: them would be find out like what you can use 514 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: on Olf that will keep him in line, Like, hey, 515 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: do you have any your mom around? 516 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, somebody, there's. 517 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: Somebody in there that you could be like, listen, if 518 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: you fly off crazy, we're gonna have to We're gonna 519 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: have to execute your mom. 520 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Yeah, that's just that's just how it is. Also, 521 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: I want to say, I do I love Reanera. 522 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: I love Emma Darcy. They're so fantastic. 523 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 2: There is a great moment here when Renera offers the knighthood. 524 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: We're talking about notes for Ranera. I have to say, 525 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a bit patronizing the. 526 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 3: Way she offers it. 527 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: She's kind of like, you'll become knights of the realm 528 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: if you do what I say. And I feel like 529 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: they are looking at her like, Babe, we have dragons. 530 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: We're clearly related to you, like off if you look 531 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 2: into you know, twenty three and me, he's your uncle. 532 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: I think you need to go high. 533 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 3: I think you've gotta offer something a bit more. 534 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 1: I think this is a classic low ball. But like again, 535 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: we should we should acknowledge this is not a world 536 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: in which, like uh, there is any kind of like 537 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: market for people and their abilities. Like yah, she's never 538 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: had to like offer something like this before. Yeah, I 539 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: think you got to come in higher. You got to 540 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: come in with like a lordship somewhere, not like one 541 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: of the big castles. 542 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: Give you some land. We'll give you something like a 543 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: clearly a greedy guy. 544 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 2: I would play with that, but I'm just saying this 545 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: is red flags all over the place. 546 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a knighthood is I agree with you. 547 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: It's not enough. This is all broken up because a 548 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: urgent message from Heron Hall arrives. Ranier reads it and 549 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: is like Adam takes he smoke your cone with me, 550 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: which is a huge what an incredible show of trust, 551 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: and I think the right show of trust to you, 552 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: by the way. 553 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 3: Correct, correct, She she can see that she's got a winner. 554 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: In act, Damon is asleep, Alice on the edge of 555 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: his bed. She looks troubled. She takes dam into the 556 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 1: Godswood Commune with the old gods. We see a green man. 557 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: We'll stop here to you see this little figure in 558 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: a horned helmet kind of crawling towards the skittering towards 559 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: the trunk of the Godswood tree. Green Men are a 560 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: kind of military order. So back in the day there 561 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: was a very, very long and destructive war between the 562 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 1: first Men, who are the first twomen inhabitants of west Ros, 563 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: and the children of the Forest, who are the original 564 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: sentient inhabitants of Westros. And there think of them as 565 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: like these kind of magical elves who their belief system 566 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: is all about these weirwood trees, right, and so the 567 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: green Men were created as like a kind of military 568 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: wing of the of the Children for their soldiers essentially, 569 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: and it is rumored, the legend has it that they 570 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: still might be on the Isle of Faces, which is 571 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: a island in the middle of the Gods Eye Lake 572 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: right next to Heronhall that is overgrown completely just like 573 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: a forest of were woods, and where it is thought 574 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: that if the Children of the Forest are anywhere south 575 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: of the Wall, they're there, and that the green Men 576 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: might be there. And this is confirmation that the green 577 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: Men and the children in the forest gotta. 578 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: Be there, yeah, and that interested in whatever is going 579 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 2: on at Aaren Hall and trying to work out where 580 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: they stand. 581 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: So Damon, at Alice's suggestion, touches the Weirdwod tree and 582 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: he gets a vision. And this is also seems to 583 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: be a to support our theory that this was like 584 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: weirdd sap somethings that was what was going into Damon's 585 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: food all the time. So he sees basically all eight 586 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: seasons of Game of Thrones. He sees the fall of 587 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: the Targarians, he sees the death of the Dragons, he 588 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: sees blood Raven, the Three Eyed Crow, one of his 589 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: you know ancestors. Basically, that's coming. He sees the red 590 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: Meteor from season two of Game of Thrones. He sees 591 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: Denaris and her dragons newly hatched the end of season 592 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: one of Game of Thrones. He sees a white Walker 593 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: on the march. Finally, he sees Raniera on the Iron 594 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: Throne and Helene this and this is the crazy wow. 595 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: And Helene is a huge moment as part of the vision, 596 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: telling him basically, you're just a part of this story 597 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: and you need to make peace with that. And after that, 598 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: Damon is a full believer in the Song of Ice 599 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: and Fire. 600 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 3: Yeap, he's seen it. Baby. 601 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: When Ranera tried to bring up before, he said, it's dragons, 602 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: not dreams that make us rulers. 603 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: But now he knows actually streams too, babe, dreams and dragons. 604 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: In kings Landing, we see that Helene is like in 605 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: the she's like having like a waking. It's almost like 606 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,760 Speaker 1: a zoom conference call with David. 607 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: She was like, oh, I see that Damon's having a vision. 608 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: I better just jump over and let him know. I mean, 609 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 3: I adore we'll talk. 610 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 2: About the changes they've made this season, but like I 611 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 2: adore especially the Helena changes, because it's true, this would 612 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: never be in the history books. 613 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 3: No one's gonna be like, oh, some said she was, 614 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: you know, a dragon dreamer, and they'd be like she's crazy, 615 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 3: she's crazy and weird and just ignore her. And I 616 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,239 Speaker 3: love that we are getting to see now. 617 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things about the original Game of 618 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 2: Throne seasons, especially the early seasons, was when you would 619 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 2: get to see who the secret players are that you 620 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't expect to have power, that you wouldn't expect to 621 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: have impact, but who are growing throughout the seasons. And 622 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: I feel like, here we get to see Helena and 623 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: just how powerful she is and how she has this 624 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: connection with these members of her family that's going to 625 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: become more apparent and more important as we go forward. 626 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: So aim And interrupts this kind of reverie and continues 627 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: to try to convince her to join the war. He says, 628 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: come on with Aaron. He's trying the soft approach now. 629 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: He's like Hair and Hall, if we're different. Yeah, there'll 630 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: be two on one we take done. Damon, you probably 631 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: don't even have to do anything. Yeah, you'll be fine, 632 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: and she's like, no, what are you gonna do If 633 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: I say no, You're gonna burn me like Eggon? 634 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 4: And he's like, whoalla, what do you mean that would 635 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 4: be treason? 636 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 3: I'd never do that. 637 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: Helena basically knows everything, knows that he did that. She 638 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: knows that, in fact, that Eggon will be king again 639 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: then he's currently sitting on a wooden throne. Knows in 640 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: fact that Amon will be dead when Eggon is king again, 641 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,239 Speaker 1: falling into the God's eye, never again to be seen. 642 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: And Amon is like, well, you know, I could just 643 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,840 Speaker 1: kill you, and she's like, there's nothing that. 644 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: That that will change, That would change nothing. 645 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: When You're and Adam arrive at Heron hall, they get 646 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 1: a great view of this massive, massive, massive army that 647 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: Damon has put together in the time since he's been away. 648 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: Sir Strong welcomes her. They walk past all these rivermen 649 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,879 Speaker 1: on the way to meet her husband. It's very tense, 650 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: but Damon, now a true believer again, basically assures her 651 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: that he's loyal. She's like, my god, you sound like 652 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: visseras Yah and he's like, yeah, you know, like I've 653 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 1: seen it. I saw the things that we have to 654 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: face and I don't know how we're gonna face it, 655 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,880 Speaker 1: but we have to. And he bends the knee in 656 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: front of all these rivermen and proclaims her the one 657 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: true Queen the army kneels so strong as like clapping 658 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,720 Speaker 1: his shit and his mouth's like oh, he's so happy, 659 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: he can't believe it. 660 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: And he also wants them to get out. He's like, 661 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 3: give me my shit, casso back. 662 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: Hallways are now full of human shit, and so Damon 663 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: gives like a we round for a queen door and 664 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: everyone's like and everybody's super super excited. We go to Corlis. 665 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 1: He's readying the fleet, keeping Zalan in to talk to him, 666 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: and he's trying to all of a sudden be the 667 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: father that he never was. 668 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,319 Speaker 3: This is such fantastic writing in this scene. 669 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: He's trying to just basically start it from scratch, like yeah, 670 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, like let's just let's just get let's just 671 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: be father and son. Now what do you say, like 672 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,439 Speaker 1: you anybody be back, be like chill up, be nice, 673 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: to be chiller, be nicer to the men, you know, 674 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: the men. You need to take cold them, Yeah, you 675 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: need to inspire them, like and Alan is like, listen, 676 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: I guess I'll try harder then, and then he unloads 677 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: on Corlis like how dare you try and tell me 678 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,479 Speaker 1: like how to do my business? I'm watching you walk 679 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 1: by like a complete fucking stranger. 680 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 3: Mind you're wearing buzz and I'm fucking cold over here 681 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 3: selling fish. 682 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,200 Speaker 1: I'm in rags. Come on, and now all of a 683 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: sudden you're like, oh, we need you give me a 684 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,680 Speaker 1: fucking break. Okay, so I'll be your first mate, but 685 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 1: do not call me your son. Okay, and let's just 686 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: keep it pushing. Okay, it's not that deep. You go 687 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,720 Speaker 1: to the veil. Raina finally finds the sheep Catcher dragon Stone, 688 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: Ranera catches up with Mesaria, and the unofficial Master of 689 00:37:52,760 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: Whispers is like gassing doing it. Wow, it's you. You 690 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,360 Speaker 1: can't make a bad move right now, you're killing it. 691 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: You must prevail, and I believe that you will prevail. Raanieraz, 692 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: then woken in the middle of the night, knows that 693 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: there is a shocking visitor. 694 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 3: It's a. 695 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: Jaw literally dropped. 696 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 3: She has like what are you doing here? 697 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: They get into an argument that's, you know, decades in 698 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: the making, about all the different ways that each of 699 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,800 Speaker 1: them have made mistakes and missteps and they could have 700 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: performed a wonderful performance all the things they could have 701 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: done wrong. They blame each other and eventually Renier's like, 702 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: why the why the fuck are you? 703 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: Like? 704 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 3: Why did you wake? 705 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: And Allison says, listen, I picked the wrong side because 706 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: I'm a queen. I was running that affairs of state 707 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: for how many years? Well, Serius was like falling apart 708 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: before our eyes, and now nobody wants to talk to me. 709 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 1: No one wants to here for me. It's hey, man, 710 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: woman haters club all day every day over there, and 711 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: now they want to get Helena on Dragon. 712 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 3: Back, and she's like, I can't do it. 713 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 1: Here's what it is, okay, and let's stop this thing 714 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: before there's any more bloodshed. If you come to the 715 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: Capitol in the three days time, okay will be gone. 716 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: He's gonna be out of there, and I'll open the 717 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: gates and you can just come in and be the queen. 718 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: What do you say? And Raniera's like, okay, well that 719 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: I still have to execute egg On, Like I have 720 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 1: to kill him, and I have to his head. You 721 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,239 Speaker 1: know that you have to You know that I have 722 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,359 Speaker 1: to do that in front of everybody, and Alison is like, really, 723 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: you do really need to do that, and Rner is like, yeah. 724 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 2: I got It's like, you bat to choose, you got 725 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: to choose, you gotta choose. 726 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: And Alison's like, fine, okay, go ahead. 727 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, She's like, I definitely choose. Definitely choose. I'm gonna 728 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 2: choose that right now. 729 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: And as she walks out back to her ship, we 730 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,360 Speaker 1: should imagine we get a big montage. We see that 731 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: elsewhere on Dragonstone, the dragon Sees are getting into their 732 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: arm they're preparing to ride. We get the Mail where 733 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: Rena is face to face with the sheep stealer. Notice 734 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: that we go and g This doesn't jump across the map. 735 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: This this montage. It goes geographically from place to place. 736 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,680 Speaker 1: We go to House High Tower on the march through 737 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: the Reach with Tsaria and Darren flying high above. We 738 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: go to the river lands where we see the Northmen 739 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 1: coming down from the Twins, looking great, all grizzled, marching. Listen, 740 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 1: they're just walking down from from the North. We go 741 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: to near the Trident where Jason Lanister is traveling. Zoo 742 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: comes within sight of heron hall. They're like a couple 743 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,719 Speaker 1: of days away. I mean they can see it. Also 744 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,720 Speaker 1: in Haron Hall, Damon is gazing at his his forces 745 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: as they are preparing to go to battle. We go 746 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: back to Allison on Dragonstone, continue to walk. We go 747 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: across the gullet where Thailand and Lohar are steering the 748 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 1: Triarchy fleet, across the narrow Seat towards the black blockade. 749 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: We see on Dragonstone Allen and Corals preparing to take 750 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: to see We go back to the veil Uh see 751 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: Raina and the Dragon again. Then we go somewhere where 752 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: we see Otto High Tower is in a dungeon and 753 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: someone with a torch is coming to get him out 754 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,640 Speaker 1: of the dungeon. More on this in a bit. We 755 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,399 Speaker 1: go to Alison back on the dock than the Crown Lends, 756 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: where Laris and the King are sneaking out of the 757 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 1: city disguised as just normal travelers. And then we have 758 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: Allison and Rania looking to the future that at the 759 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 1: end of our our episode. Wow, big questions, who has 760 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: auto your thoughts? 761 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we we definitely, I think we're on 762 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 2: the same page share where for me, my gut says 763 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 2: it's probably something Laris planned I think I feel like 764 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,319 Speaker 2: having Auto in his back pocket for this potential egg 765 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 2: On re emerging. As as he puts it, you know, 766 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,960 Speaker 2: his dream is that he'll be egg on the realm's delight. 767 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 2: But I think having Auto on hand would be good though. 768 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 2: I will say in the Discord there was some good 769 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 2: chapter about well how long has it been? Who has 770 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 2: had since then? So it could have actually been a 771 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,280 Speaker 2: lot longer because nobody's heard from him, and would Larry's 772 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,319 Speaker 2: have been able to screw him away for that long? 773 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 3: When did he get quest? 774 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: That's true now, so nobody has heard from him since 775 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: Amond gave Laris the mission to go, get him to go, 776 00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: basically return it, you know, it send the message that 777 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: he needs to return because I want him back his hand. 778 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,520 Speaker 1: It is since then that nobody's heard from him, and 779 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 1: I think that probably is the biggest support for Laris. 780 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 5: Did it? 781 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: When did he do it? Did he do it on 782 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: the road? Did you do it at kings Landing? 783 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 3: Where's he been keeping him? 784 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,800 Speaker 1: Where has he been keeping him? I wonder if I 785 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 1: wonder if he's keeping him in the whatever the deepest, 786 00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,840 Speaker 1: darkest part of the dungeon in King's. 787 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 3: Landing is that would be really interesting. 788 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: With the intent that he'll be there when Arniera arrives 789 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: so it can take her revenge and that takes a 790 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,760 Speaker 1: piece off the board and he doesn't have to do anything. 791 00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,200 Speaker 3: That's really clever. Actually, I do. 792 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: Wonder if that's his move, because it it didn't seem 793 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: as if he was being packaged up and sent with Laris. 794 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: Maybe he's already on Bravos or somewhere, But in my senses, 795 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: maybe he's gonna leave him there as a little not 796 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: a gift, so to speak, a distract the way to Yeah, 797 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,919 Speaker 1: as a way to get an enemy off the board. 798 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,200 Speaker 3: Okay, so I loved this finale. For me, it was 799 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 3: just complete delivery. 800 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 2: But I do think we have to talk about and 801 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 2: this is going into book territory, so put your air 802 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: muffs on or skip this part if you have not 803 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,040 Speaker 2: read the books. But let's talk about what people probably 804 00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,920 Speaker 2: thought they were going to see in this finale that 805 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,080 Speaker 2: we now know will happen in season. 806 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,880 Speaker 1: Three, all the fighting. I think that if there is 807 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: a criticism of this ending, then I'm seeing it's that 808 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760 Speaker 1: people probably thought, where are the fights, where. 809 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 3: There's the war, where's the Battle of the gullet. 810 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,399 Speaker 1: No. I mean, you could point out that in Game 811 00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: of Thrones there was never a fight in the final episode. 812 00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: It was always either way on an ultimate Yeah, that 813 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I get it. I think that I kind 814 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: of get the criticism. Certainly, if you end on the mind, 815 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: I think it's two things. One, you end without a 816 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: big battle, and you know that you're not seeing the 817 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,439 Speaker 1: show for two years. I think people, I think that's 818 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: so hard. I think people want to see the fight. 819 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:24,319 Speaker 1: That said, I also understand because it certainly seems as 820 00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: if listen, one, we're entering a part of the story 821 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: that is just like fireworks all the time. Yeah, nonsense, 822 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 1: And it's clear that season three is going to be 823 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920 Speaker 1: like bing bang boom. There's going to be a lot 824 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: of things going on, and I think they wanted to 825 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: save the a lot of things going on for there. 826 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,680 Speaker 1: I didn't particularly have an issue with it because I thought, 827 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I just thought the performances were also strong 828 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: and there were enough cliffhanger things to keep me going. 829 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 3: Though. 830 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,320 Speaker 1: I understand again, I understand if folks were like I 831 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: wanted more dragon action. 832 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 2: I mean, what can you really Yeah, I know, especially 833 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,040 Speaker 2: because the dragons look so good in this show. I think, yeah, 834 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 2: but I will say personally, like, for me, the way 835 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360 Speaker 2: that the series, which we've talked about a lot, but 836 00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 2: how it expands on Fire and Blood. We even get 837 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 2: this meta moment where Raniera says to Alison, like, you'll 838 00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 2: be remembered as a cold queen. You'll be remembered as 839 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 2: somebody grasping for power who was defeated, And Alison says, 840 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 2: let them think what they need to think. I just 841 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 2: want to die, unremarked with my daughter, and I thought, WHOA, 842 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,320 Speaker 2: Like this is what makes this show so special. This 843 00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 2: is a prequel that is in conversation with the text 844 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 2: it's based on, and isn't afraid of being brave and 845 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,000 Speaker 2: taking big swings and adding to the low and the 846 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,600 Speaker 2: cannon in a way that if you love Fire and 847 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,320 Speaker 2: Blood you can still read that way. This can just 848 00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,040 Speaker 2: be a different, unreliable history if you want it to be. 849 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 2: But for me, this becomes the the ultimate version. And 850 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 2: I think that going into season three, where it's going 851 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 2: to be NonStop war, I actually think that people will 852 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 2: look back on this and be glad we got so 853 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 2: much time with this cat, these characters, and we got 854 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,200 Speaker 2: to know so much about their motivations, and we got 855 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 2: to venture into these other territories like esos, because the 856 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:12,919 Speaker 2: reality is eight to ten episodes of just NonStop brutality 857 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 2: and battles. 858 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 3: That's a lot. 859 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,960 Speaker 2: If you actually go back and look at Game of Thrones, 860 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: that's not something that happened a lot. There was a 861 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: lot of build up on Game of Thrones. 862 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,880 Speaker 1: I will say one of the things. So the relationship 863 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,239 Speaker 1: between Amen and Helena is one that has been theorized 864 00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: about a lot, and I think it's been unclear what 865 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,360 Speaker 1: the connection between the two us when you look at 866 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: the book material, and I think this episode really suggests 867 00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:49,760 Speaker 1: something quite interesting, that being that one, Helena is powered 868 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600 Speaker 1: up in a way that we've never I mean, her 869 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,840 Speaker 1: ability to enter the Weird Wood Network into live visions 870 00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:03,000 Speaker 1: that are seemingly connected to weird magic is incredible. She's 871 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,279 Speaker 1: clearly a dreamer of the kind of like Danny's the 872 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,920 Speaker 1: Dreamer and other Targarians eggon the Conqueror who had the 873 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: ability to prophesize, and so she's clearly unlocking that part 874 00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: of it. And then the fact that all of that 875 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: together seems to be some sort of conspiracy of the 876 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,080 Speaker 1: children of the Forest and other magical forces to make 877 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: sure that one side wins the war is it's really fascinating. 878 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:36,719 Speaker 5: Yeah. 879 00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,279 Speaker 1: Also, the fact that it's you know that Damon has 880 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: a vision of blood Raven who will one day have 881 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: his sword is crazy. 882 00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of great connections here into the 883 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 2: kind of wider Game of Friends world. Also, just something 884 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 2: that I've really loved about how so the Dragon is 885 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 2: because it is set in an era where dragons exist 886 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,400 Speaker 2: and they are alive and they are powered. We are 887 00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,520 Speaker 2: getting so much more magic then we really ever got 888 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,400 Speaker 2: to experience in Game of Thrones. Obviously near the end 889 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,200 Speaker 2: we got to see different kinds of the way the 890 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 2: magic network worked. But I love just being able to 891 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 2: watch a time where dragons are here and they're part 892 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,160 Speaker 2: of the ecology and part of the world, and their 893 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,160 Speaker 2: magic kind of powers different people in different ways. 894 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 3: I just think it's really cool. 895 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. I also like the fact that, like the people 896 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: aren't really sure how it works. They're being presented with 897 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 1: these clearly supernatural images and visions and dreams, waking dreams, 898 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: and they don't know what to make of it. That 899 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: feels very relatable to me. The fact that like you know, 900 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,120 Speaker 1: as Geita, we'll mention in our interview, Damon is seeing 901 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,919 Speaker 1: all these things, but he has no idea what they mean. Yeah, 902 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: it's just and he's trying to put it together. And 903 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: I think that the mystery of that is really fascinating. 904 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,200 Speaker 1: I can't wait to fin out more about Helena. And 905 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: I would imagine that Aimond will think, Okay, maybe I 906 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: can't get you to get on a dragon, but you're 907 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:10,719 Speaker 1: very useful to me. 908 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,680 Speaker 3: That seems to me like where that's gonna go. 909 00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,920 Speaker 1: You are clearly very very useful to me. Where that 910 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: leads who knows, but that is very interesting going forward. Well, oh, 911 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: that has been our coverage of season two of House 912 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,280 Speaker 1: of the Dragon. 913 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,680 Speaker 3: Well, we did it, We did it. 914 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,240 Speaker 1: We'll be back together in two years. I can't believe 915 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:35,319 Speaker 1: how long it is. Two years. 916 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,520 Speaker 3: I know two years we'll be talking about House the 917 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,360 Speaker 3: Dragon again. But before that, we've got a lovely interview 918 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 3: with Gia Patala, director of the finale. 919 00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,359 Speaker 1: We are so excited to welcome director get Up Tell 920 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,200 Speaker 1: to the podcast today. Gita directed the season two finale 921 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,759 Speaker 1: for House of the Dragons, as well as episode three 922 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 1: of this season and the season one finale, Thank you 923 00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: for being here. Thank you first of all, congratulations on 924 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: season two. How does it feel? 925 00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's such a fantas new Thank you. Well, 926 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,800 Speaker 5: it was a fantastic script. I keep getting these wonderful scripts. 927 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: Talk to us about obviously this is a kind of 928 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:36,800 Speaker 1: sprawling story in its book form. Talk to us about finding, 929 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, the natural stopping points in a season before 930 00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: you launch into the next one. How did you decide 931 00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: to end it where? 932 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,720 Speaker 5: Oh wow, you mean as far as the actual story 933 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,919 Speaker 5: and not going into a war or something like that. Sure, yeah, 934 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080 Speaker 5: that is a Ryan Condall question. 935 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:57,879 Speaker 1: I've ever seen one. 936 00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,920 Speaker 2: Well, when you got that script, which was an amazing script, 937 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 2: how did you feel like, did you kind of were 938 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,480 Speaker 2: you surprised by where where it ended? 939 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:10,920 Speaker 3: Or did it it felt natural? 940 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,440 Speaker 5: To me? But I also felt scared because I knew 941 00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,320 Speaker 5: that the fans would maybe expect a war at the 942 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,759 Speaker 5: end of the season. And I was terrified because I 943 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 5: knew that it was my responsibility as part of a 944 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:31,800 Speaker 5: team to deliver something just as powerful through words. And 945 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,239 Speaker 5: I actually feel incredibly grateful to Ryan and Sarah for 946 00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:43,200 Speaker 5: their vision, for their bravery in not falling into it 947 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 5: just because they think that's what people expect. I think 948 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:53,320 Speaker 5: this episode eight is a love letter to beautiful writing 949 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,600 Speaker 5: and beautiful storytelling, and the challenge was something that we 950 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 5: all marched like troops into ready to serve the story. 951 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,799 Speaker 5: I just gave it everything I had, trying to make 952 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,759 Speaker 5: sure that there was rising action and you know that 953 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 5: we weren't messing up what was set up on the page, 954 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 5: that we were actually adding to it. There's so many 955 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,480 Speaker 5: things you can screw up in something like this. For example, 956 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 5: the montage. 957 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 3: Is really long, and I spent so many sleepless nights just. 958 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,439 Speaker 5: Thinking, oh my god, it's gonna be you know, because 959 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 5: I'm sitting here shooting all over the world like these 960 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 5: little pieces of his mind. I'm like, oh my god, 961 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,680 Speaker 5: there are like a thousand pieces. And then at some point, 962 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 5: you know, Reina was in there. You know, we were 963 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,759 Speaker 5: trying to figure out Ryan and I were discussing the 964 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,160 Speaker 5: rain A part of it, and we knew that Raina 965 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 5: needed to be in that montage. And You're just like, 966 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,080 Speaker 5: we're adding things when we should be taking things out. 967 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 5: You're just like you're sitting there. But I love it 968 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:52,759 Speaker 5: because we were constantly workshopping the storytelling that Aristotle you know, 969 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:57,040 Speaker 5: wrote of or spoke of. It's very basic storytelling, beginning, 970 00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:01,400 Speaker 5: middle end. It's not popcorn stuff. It's not you know, 971 00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 5: thrills for thrill sakes. So you're naked, just trying to 972 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 5: tell a story. 973 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: That montage kicks off from the second most surprising secret 974 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 1: meeting between Queen al and Queen Rania. You see that 975 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,520 Speaker 1: on the page, and what are your thoughts? 976 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 5: My favorite pop I believe I was just speechless when 977 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,760 Speaker 5: I read that scene. That scene was so beautifully written, 978 00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,160 Speaker 5: so nuanced, so natural in that way. Sarah has is 979 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,680 Speaker 5: one of the most talented writers that we have in 980 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,000 Speaker 5: our generation right now. The way that she brought the 981 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 5: childishness of these two women to the scene, the way 982 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 5: that she meanders away, and that comes back to the point, 983 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 5: that's the way we speak. And what's brave about that 984 00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,600 Speaker 5: scene and the writing of that scene is that it's 985 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:01,280 Speaker 5: taking its time. It's not short like TV would require 986 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:07,399 Speaker 5: you to be. It's very bold and confident, and even 987 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,439 Speaker 5: I when I read it thought, ooh, is it too long? 988 00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,080 Speaker 5: Are people? Are we going to lose people? 989 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:11,759 Speaker 2: You know? 990 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,600 Speaker 5: But when it all came together, we were all at 991 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,400 Speaker 5: the edge of our seats at least, I was, you know, 992 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,960 Speaker 5: just waiting to it just twisted and turned, And it 993 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 5: was the biggest thing that came to mind as I 994 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,960 Speaker 5: was watching it last night, was it's earned. It's one 995 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,479 Speaker 5: of those litmus tests. It doesn't stand alone. It only 996 00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 5: works if everything before it is working, because you just 997 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:42,320 Speaker 5: cannot pull off something that long without it without caring 998 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 5: about these characters and caring about where they're coming from 999 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 5: and knowing what they're capable of. 1000 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:51,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some really incredible kind of framing that you 1001 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 2: do here that really switches the roles of Allison and 1002 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 2: Raniera throughout. You know, Allison's been very she's been shot, 1003 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,440 Speaker 2: with pillars around her, she's trapped in the castle, and 1004 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,280 Speaker 2: then we end with Raniera in that space and Alison 1005 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,520 Speaker 2: out in the open, Like, could you talk a little 1006 00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 2: bit about that visual story. 1007 00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was one of the things that took so 1008 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 5: much of my sleep away throughout the entire season. When 1009 00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 5: I read the scene, I knew that it needed to 1010 00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:24,440 Speaker 5: end with something that felt epic and meaningful. And that's 1011 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 5: what I'm saying is we didn't have a dragon fight 1012 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 5: at the end, but we needed to feel like we 1013 00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:32,000 Speaker 5: did something that makes you feel. I think that's my 1014 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,399 Speaker 5: job as a director is to make you feel when 1015 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,160 Speaker 5: you walk away. And so I went through all these 1016 00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,320 Speaker 5: versions of images for the end of the episode, and 1017 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,520 Speaker 5: I knew that I hadn't gotten it yet. I hadn't 1018 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 5: gotten yet. And one day I was sitting in that 1019 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 5: library and thinking about it, and Ryan's words came to me. 1020 00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:53,719 Speaker 5: He had said, Alison has this burden that she's been 1021 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,920 Speaker 5: carrying around her whole life, and in this scene, she 1022 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,919 Speaker 5: has taken that burden and she's put it on Ranier show. 1023 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 5: And Allison is now free and Rania holds this. The 1024 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,719 Speaker 5: burden that Raniera holds, of course, is that she now 1025 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,600 Speaker 5: has to in her mind, kill innocent people in wage war. 1026 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 5: And so I saw the scrolls and thought, Raniera is 1027 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,560 Speaker 5: caught in it a cobweb. How do we do the cobweb? 1028 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,200 Speaker 5: And immediately it was like, okay, if the scrolls kept going. 1029 00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 5: And then Catherine Goldschmidt, the amazing director of photography who 1030 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,760 Speaker 5: I've worked with on all episodes of House of the Dragon, 1031 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 5: she and I went around with our camera like going 1032 00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,880 Speaker 5: through looking through every single nook and cranny, trying to 1033 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,879 Speaker 5: figure out because I had storyboarded it and I knew 1034 00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,960 Speaker 5: exactly how big Raniera needed to be. It needed to 1035 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 5: be a match cut to Allison out in the open, 1036 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 5: and it wasn't working anywhere in that room. And so 1037 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,359 Speaker 5: we called upon Jim Clay, our production designer, and we said, look, 1038 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,400 Speaker 5: here's the storyboard. 1039 00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: We need her to be this big. 1040 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 5: And it's just so funny when you're having conversations like this, 1041 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,360 Speaker 5: because it's like, well, we can make her this big. No, 1042 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 5: it is big, you know, and him is amazing, as 1043 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 5: you can see from the show. He created a panel 1044 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,399 Speaker 5: with his team that we could put our backs through, 1045 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 5: up against the wall, and we just made her that big. 1046 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,560 Speaker 5: We also worked with visual effects to tweak it a 1047 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 5: little bit so it matched the other frame. And then 1048 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,520 Speaker 5: with the Allison shot, of course we needed to be 1049 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,480 Speaker 5: there when the sun was in the exact right place. 1050 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,160 Speaker 5: Allison was a little bigger than we needed, so we 1051 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,919 Speaker 5: had to do some sizing for that and our backs 1052 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 5: were up against I think like a mountain, and because 1053 00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,040 Speaker 5: it had to fit into our schedule, and again you 1054 00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,840 Speaker 5: have just like five seconds to get the shot and 1055 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,720 Speaker 5: the sun is not going to move again for you 1056 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 5: like that's it. So that was a very exciting time. 1057 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,240 Speaker 5: Catherine was just here. Actually we watched it together last night. 1058 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 5: We both we both had an emotional moment where we thought, Okay, yeah, 1059 00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 5: that was the right shot because we knew how much 1060 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 5: work had gone into using it. 1061 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,880 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could talk a little bit about 1062 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:06,440 Speaker 1: shooting that conversation too, between Rnier and Allison, and you 1063 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: talked about like the nuance and the subtlety. I think 1064 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,520 Speaker 1: the thing I love most about the scene on rewatches, 1065 00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,720 Speaker 1: you could tell that Allison She's come all this way, 1066 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 1: She's braved tremendous dangers to be here do this secret thing. 1067 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: And at the same time, you can tell that throughout 1068 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: the opening of their conversation she's like, am I gonna 1069 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,400 Speaker 1: really do it? Am I actually going to say this? 1070 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,480 Speaker 1: And then at a certain point she comes to her 1071 00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:35,600 Speaker 1: decision and does it. It's such an amazing emotional ride. 1072 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,160 Speaker 1: Tell us about filming that. 1073 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,760 Speaker 5: When we did the rehearsal for the scene. As a director, 1074 00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,160 Speaker 5: I'm watching these gifted actors and the gifted writing come 1075 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,440 Speaker 5: to life and just observing. So Catherine Goldschmidt, the DP 1076 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 5: and I just observe at first and as we saw 1077 00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:56,640 Speaker 5: the shifts in Allison, there were a few things happening. 1078 00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,400 Speaker 5: Olivia had this brilliant moment where she bit her nails, 1079 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 5: and we all knew that that was her going back 1080 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:08,440 Speaker 5: to her childhood. Ryan and Sarah, when they conceive this scene, 1081 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,880 Speaker 5: always knew that they wanted these two women to go 1082 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,400 Speaker 5: back to being girls, because that's what we do when 1083 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,520 Speaker 5: we see our brother, our sister. You know, it doesn't 1084 00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:18,680 Speaker 5: matter that I'm fifty years old. 1085 00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,360 Speaker 3: You know, how could you do that? 1086 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 5: Like ah, you know, you become juvenile and you see 1087 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:29,400 Speaker 5: both their faces become children. It was amazing to see 1088 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,400 Speaker 5: that happen. And so we started looking for shifts when 1089 00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,920 Speaker 5: those things were happening, and we looked for camera movements 1090 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 5: of when we could help underline those shifts sometimes and 1091 00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:43,680 Speaker 5: sometimes not and dance with their performance as opposed to 1092 00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 5: the other way around. The other thing is just silence. 1093 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 5: When they did one of the rehearsals particularly, there was 1094 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,280 Speaker 5: a silence between them that I thought could have gone 1095 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,160 Speaker 5: on even longer, and so we all discussed it. We thought, okay, 1096 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,840 Speaker 5: let's just embrace that silence and not let the words 1097 00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,480 Speaker 5: come to us right away. That's what was naturally happening 1098 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 5: to the two actors during rehearsal, So when we shot it, 1099 01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 5: there's a silence there. There's also Rania her face breaks. 1100 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,200 Speaker 5: I don't know if you notice, but her face contorts 1101 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,160 Speaker 5: in a way that we haven't seen in a very 1102 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 5: long time, the way she just gets ugly, you know, 1103 01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 5: in the way she's talking to Alison. And so there 1104 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 5: was a moment where we knew that that needed to 1105 01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,880 Speaker 5: be close, it needed to attack. So these are all 1106 01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,360 Speaker 5: the different choices that go into the coverage of that scene. 1107 01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,800 Speaker 2: Like that such a humanistic, like organic, kind of authentic 1108 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,920 Speaker 2: moment where you have to be so close to the actors. 1109 01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 2: What was it like to then, in the same episode 1110 01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,640 Speaker 2: be bringing Damon's vision to life and be going for 1111 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:47,600 Speaker 2: this way more fantastical kind of exploring the magic of 1112 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,600 Speaker 2: this universe and kind of balancing that fantasy element with 1113 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:58,000 Speaker 2: the kind of important journey and realization that Damon has drew. 1114 01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 5: That was probably one of the most rewarding moments of 1115 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,160 Speaker 5: my career working on the Vision, and the reason was 1116 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,880 Speaker 5: it was a bit It was the first time I 1117 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,440 Speaker 5: had worked on something like that, so I felt the 1118 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,720 Speaker 5: challenge of it when I got the script. It was 1119 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 5: a list of shots, I mean a list of things 1120 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 5: that needed to be in this vision, but it wasn't 1121 01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:23,360 Speaker 5: laid out in the way that you see it. That 1122 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,000 Speaker 5: still needed to be done, and that was those were 1123 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,800 Speaker 5: the marching orders from Ryan. He said a few things 1124 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,400 Speaker 5: to me. He said, the reason it's not written out. 1125 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,160 Speaker 5: You know, this happens, then this happens, and this happens 1126 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 5: is he said, I don't want it to be linear. 1127 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:39,120 Speaker 5: I don't I want it to be fragmented. And yet 1128 01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,040 Speaker 5: I want it to tell Damon a story and convince 1129 01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,360 Speaker 5: him that Ranier needs to be on the throne. Those 1130 01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,000 Speaker 5: are two contradicting things, and Ryan was totally aware. He 1131 01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,280 Speaker 5: was totally aware of it. He said, you know, I 1132 01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,200 Speaker 5: want it to be visually different than Game of Thrones. 1133 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,120 Speaker 5: I don't want it to look like a fantasy show. 1134 01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 5: I want it to be our own. And so that 1135 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:02,320 Speaker 5: how exciting is as a filmmaker, and how terrifying is 1136 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,200 Speaker 5: that as a filmmaker. And so I just spent some 1137 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 5: time fearing it mainly, and then one day, when I 1138 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,640 Speaker 5: felt kind of I had digested everything Ryan wanted, I 1139 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,080 Speaker 5: sat down with the storyboard artist and it really just 1140 01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 5: happened in one swoop. At that point, I just started 1141 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 5: seeing these things together, adding a few things, taking out 1142 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,440 Speaker 5: a few things, constantly just thinking to myself, if I'm Damon, 1143 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,280 Speaker 5: how is all this striking me? And so one thing 1144 01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,200 Speaker 5: particularly was very interesting in that process as a director 1145 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:36,760 Speaker 5: is you know that the fans want to see Deenaris. 1146 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,160 Speaker 5: I'm a fan. I want to see Deenaris. I want 1147 01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 5: to see her face. I want to see you know, 1148 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,040 Speaker 5: this person that is going to shock me and shock everyone. 1149 01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,720 Speaker 5: I want to be the director who shocks the fans. 1150 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,840 Speaker 5: But that's not what it's about, Matt Damon. They don't 1151 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 5: Damon doesn't know who Denaris is. And that's not what 1152 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 5: this vision is about. The vision is about the story, 1153 01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 5: and the part that Dannares plays is actually very small. 1154 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,600 Speaker 5: In his point of view at this point, It's that 1155 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,960 Speaker 5: the dragons were all gone and the world had died, 1156 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,880 Speaker 5: and then this woman, this figure, brought back the dragons, 1157 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 5: and the only person who can save us is Raniera. 1158 01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,920 Speaker 5: So to do a frontal face needed to be at 1159 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:27,080 Speaker 5: a point where we have arct to that turning point, 1160 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,880 Speaker 5: and so to show Denaris anymore than we did would 1161 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,360 Speaker 5: have made it very clunky. It would have been hard 1162 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,200 Speaker 5: to know what to focus on, what the point of 1163 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 5: the vision was. So all this stuff, this nerding out 1164 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,000 Speaker 5: was so fun for Catherine Goldschmidt and me and Ryan. 1165 01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 5: You know, we went through it and he was then 1166 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:45,720 Speaker 5: cutting a few things and adding a few things, but 1167 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:48,080 Speaker 5: it was pretty much that first time I sat down, 1168 01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,120 Speaker 5: I knew what he wanted and needed to make sure 1169 01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,160 Speaker 5: it was for Damon, not for what we thought would 1170 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 5: be fun. 1171 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: The episode also opens with a widening of the geographic 1172 01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,240 Speaker 1: scope of the show. We go to Soos and see 1173 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: this meeting with the triarchy. You talk to us about this, 1174 01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,680 Speaker 1: this new color palette, this kind of like new place 1175 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 1: that we're seeing. 1176 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,240 Speaker 5: So the thing that Ryan really wanted for that scene 1177 01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,440 Speaker 5: was for it to feel like a different world. At 1178 01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,400 Speaker 5: the same time, he didn't want it to feel like 1179 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 5: a fantasy environment. So the challenge of that scene was 1180 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 5: to create this culture and know everything about it and 1181 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,000 Speaker 5: make it so authentic. Why is the color of their 1182 01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 5: costume this? Oh, because they grow this die in the fields. 1183 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,400 Speaker 5: Why is she wearing this because this is the only 1184 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 5: thing they have because of the air quality. Jim Clay, 1185 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,840 Speaker 5: the production designer and myself and Ryan and Sarah worked 1186 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:47,600 Speaker 5: on the world building in a way that was such 1187 01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:50,880 Speaker 5: a pleasure because it wasn't like we were putting all 1188 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,560 Speaker 5: these things together that were cool, because I think that's 1189 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:54,760 Speaker 5: what makes it look fantasy. You're just like, oh, she's 1190 01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,280 Speaker 5: got a nosering, you know, that's so cool. 1191 01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:56,760 Speaker 1: That's what they do. 1192 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:58,920 Speaker 5: You know, I love nose rings. I was wanting to 1193 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,440 Speaker 5: put a nosering into my show. No, you know, we 1194 01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,640 Speaker 5: actually tried to think about the world and then what 1195 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,480 Speaker 5: would they do, So, for example, sitting on the floor 1196 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 5: making him uncomfortable, making that was an organic part of 1197 01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,480 Speaker 5: the background that we created for this world. The colors 1198 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,640 Speaker 5: we muted in places, we bumped up in places. Everything 1199 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 5: was a long conversation. And then of course the way 1200 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,400 Speaker 5: they ate, we had them eat a bit like animals, 1201 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,480 Speaker 5: but they still had some utensils. Like all these things 1202 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 5: were little choices. We didn't go full India, you know, 1203 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:35,120 Speaker 5: we didn't go full Bosnia. We didn't go full Japan 1204 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,120 Speaker 5: like we really tried. And this was a big thing 1205 01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,320 Speaker 5: that Ryan kept honing in. He's like, I don't want 1206 01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 5: it to seem like we just projected some country onder this. 1207 01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, going from kind of this huge expansion to like 1208 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 2: one of what seems like the most claustrophobic moments. 1209 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 3: In the show. 1210 01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,720 Speaker 2: That I'm a renowned Kristen Cole hater, I would love 1211 01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 2: to but I would love to talk to you because 1212 01:05:58,280 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 2: I'm rewatching that. 1213 01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:02,840 Speaker 3: I was just blown away by. 1214 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 2: Where we find him in this episode, where he really 1215 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,960 Speaker 2: is in this philosophical existential crisis because of the war 1216 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:11,360 Speaker 2: to come. 1217 01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,680 Speaker 3: So could you talk a little bit about that and kind. 1218 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,160 Speaker 2: Of shooting down on him and and really bringing this 1219 01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,480 Speaker 2: side of him to life that we we've seen teased, 1220 01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,200 Speaker 2: but he really gets to go full Did. 1221 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:22,160 Speaker 5: You get him in that moment? 1222 01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:22,880 Speaker 3: Did you feel that. 1223 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,520 Speaker 1: His whole life has been he's been brought up to you. 1224 01:06:28,840 --> 01:06:31,880 Speaker 1: You fight these wars and you fleed men in a battle, 1225 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: and then he's seen that it doesn't matter. 1226 01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:35,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, little speech fighting. 1227 01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 2: He's he is suddenly one of the most rational people 1228 01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,360 Speaker 2: on the show, which is just ridiculous because he is 1229 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:43,640 Speaker 2: one of the most irrational people up until then. 1230 01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:49,400 Speaker 5: I know, I know, I love that scene and I 1231 01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 5: love it for him. I love it for it because 1232 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 5: we want these characters to be dimensional, and it's so 1233 01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 5: well written. He performed it so well when he looks 1234 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,440 Speaker 5: up and he goes, din't you think did I do 1235 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:06,080 Speaker 5: it just like him? Thing? But I was just like, oh, 1236 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 5: because my only dream for Christian Cole and Fabian in 1237 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,600 Speaker 5: this in that episode, and I know this was Ryan 1238 01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:15,920 Speaker 5: and Sarah's as well, is that we feel him, that 1239 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,000 Speaker 5: we finally get this comp because we all had that 1240 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,800 Speaker 5: in life where you decide I hate this person and 1241 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,080 Speaker 5: then they do something really beautiful and they do something 1242 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:25,560 Speaker 5: very kind. 1243 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 3: You're like, goud, hmm, you know I had you want. 1244 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,920 Speaker 5: So that scene was Fabian and Sarah has his writing 1245 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,160 Speaker 5: and Ryan Condall's vision. You know, I just captured it. 1246 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,880 Speaker 5: I watched it. I knew that the shot was going 1247 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,320 Speaker 5: to be something very internal. I knew that it was 1248 01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,440 Speaker 5: for people like you, Rosie, where we wanted to be 1249 01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 5: right there with him, like it because I wanted that too. 1250 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,520 Speaker 5: I needed that a lot of times. I think that's 1251 01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:56,120 Speaker 5: what directing is, right, just watching them and knowing when 1252 01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 5: you want to be with them, and then choosing that 1253 01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,200 Speaker 5: shot that's going to allow you to forget everything else 1254 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:02,240 Speaker 5: it's all out of focus. 1255 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,880 Speaker 1: One more character that really stood out this season, and 1256 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: then had yet another strange and magical moment is Alice Rivers, 1257 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:14,320 Speaker 1: who Damon awakes, finds her at the edge of his bed. 1258 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,719 Speaker 1: She then goes to take him to the gods would 1259 01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:19,920 Speaker 1: before that. It's I mean, she seems to be crying. 1260 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Her demeanor in that moment and throughout all her appearances 1261 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,479 Speaker 1: is so fascinating because you can sense that there's a 1262 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:31,240 Speaker 1: million things going on deep below the surface, like what 1263 01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:33,760 Speaker 1: is this, yeah, talk to us about about her. 1264 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 5: I don't know how much I'm allowed to expand on, 1265 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,920 Speaker 5: but you're on the I think you probably know from 1266 01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,880 Speaker 5: the books too. There's so much from the books that 1267 01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,640 Speaker 5: informs who she is. And that is something Ryan and 1268 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,479 Speaker 5: Sarah were very aware of and we were all constantly 1269 01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 5: going back to as a touchstone that she has a 1270 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:58,839 Speaker 5: very very deep history. She has been in this castle alone, 1271 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:05,400 Speaker 5: and here's someone that she is connecting with. And she 1272 01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:07,160 Speaker 5: doesn't have a life like any of us, where you know, 1273 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:08,840 Speaker 5: I had a party last night with all my friends 1274 01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,600 Speaker 5: to watch that. You know, that's not what happens. That 1275 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,640 Speaker 5: she has a very isolated life. So the answer to 1276 01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,920 Speaker 5: that is in between the lines in a way that 1277 01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:23,519 Speaker 5: she has been alone and here's someone that she deeply 1278 01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:27,719 Speaker 5: cares about who also has given her something she really needed. 1279 01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,120 Speaker 5: And I think Ryan can probably expand on it more, 1280 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,880 Speaker 5: of course, as far as where she's coming from. But 1281 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:38,160 Speaker 5: I think I think that's what grounded hopefully, Hopefully grounded 1282 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,479 Speaker 5: that performance so much. I think she did a fine 1283 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:45,000 Speaker 5: job in making something that could have been witch like 1284 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,400 Speaker 5: and fantasy into something that was relatable. 1285 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Damon's entire journey through that arc is fascinating 1286 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,360 Speaker 1: as well, because it's, you know, he's really in this 1287 01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:01,639 Speaker 1: kind of deep existential therapy the whole time he's here, 1288 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,280 Speaker 1: and it brings him to a point where when Reniera 1289 01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:10,479 Speaker 1: does arrive at heronhall, he is in a strange way 1290 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,800 Speaker 1: at peace with his own ambitions, with what he's been doing, 1291 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:19,120 Speaker 1: with the mistakes that he's made. Talk to us about that. Really, 1292 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,519 Speaker 1: you know, it felt very fraught. I think for most 1293 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,960 Speaker 1: of that scene too, where Rainier is like, what did 1294 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:27,600 Speaker 1: is this my army or is this your army? What 1295 01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,160 Speaker 1: do you plan to do right now? Yeah? Such a 1296 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,519 Speaker 1: wonderful roller coaster, emotional roller coaster, that scene. 1297 01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:37,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, that between the vision and that scene, Matt and 1298 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,960 Speaker 5: I had spent a lot of time trying to make 1299 01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,519 Speaker 5: sure that the experience would be what it was supposed 1300 01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,640 Speaker 5: to be. Ryan wanted that vision to convince Damon of 1301 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,880 Speaker 5: what he needed to do, but then it would simmer. 1302 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:54,280 Speaker 5: It wouldn't be crystal clear on the head, you know. 1303 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,799 Speaker 5: It was this feeling as opposed to a literal message, 1304 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:01,400 Speaker 5: and the audience had to be on board, and then 1305 01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,160 Speaker 5: it would simmer. And we get to the scene with 1306 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,160 Speaker 5: Raniera and it's not like he made a decision. He 1307 01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,120 Speaker 5: just goes, eh, I figured it out, you know. Instead, 1308 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:14,880 Speaker 5: somehow keep the suspense going and let the decision happen 1309 01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,800 Speaker 5: in the scene, because of course in cinema we want 1310 01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,479 Speaker 5: to see decision, big decisions happen. We don't want them 1311 01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,719 Speaker 5: to happen off screen. So An again, what an interesting 1312 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:28,240 Speaker 5: challenge to pose to all of us as storytellers. So 1313 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,519 Speaker 5: one of the things that we did for that scene 1314 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,040 Speaker 5: is we wanted to make sure that we were in 1315 01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,760 Speaker 5: Damon's point of view, because we knew Raniera's point of 1316 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,880 Speaker 5: view coming into it. But one thing we all I 1317 01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,439 Speaker 5: always try to do is know who choose one point 1318 01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:45,640 Speaker 5: of view for the scene and really focus on it. 1319 01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:47,760 Speaker 5: Even though you on the House of the Dragon, you 1320 01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:51,120 Speaker 5: generally have two points of view. But this at least 1321 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:52,840 Speaker 5: makes me helps me understand kind of what the a 1322 01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,000 Speaker 5: story is. So with Matt and me, when we talked 1323 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:59,960 Speaker 5: about it, we wanted Damon to feel strong. We didn't 1324 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,280 Speaker 5: wanted to feel like a totally different person that he's like, 1325 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,400 Speaker 5: I'm your man, I'll do whatever you you're you're the boss. 1326 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:07,200 Speaker 1: It's you know. 1327 01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:09,960 Speaker 5: We didn't want it to seem submissive because that's not 1328 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:13,720 Speaker 5: who Damon is. So what we talked about and I 1329 01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:16,720 Speaker 5: was telling mathis for what it's worth. I was just like, look, 1330 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,720 Speaker 5: I think you're you're becoming the guide, the mentor in 1331 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:24,759 Speaker 5: the hero's journey. So actually you are in the utmost 1332 01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:29,000 Speaker 5: place of strength. You are. You are someone who never dies. 1333 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,439 Speaker 5: You are the person who leads her. And it's not 1334 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,240 Speaker 5: about being a man leading a woman. It's actually about 1335 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 5: being a guide in the hero's journey. There's a huge 1336 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,080 Speaker 5: difference for those of us who you know, look at 1337 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,599 Speaker 5: it that way and letting Raniera know, yes, follow your voice. 1338 01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,559 Speaker 5: You've been in these rooms with all these people telling 1339 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:49,840 Speaker 5: you you don't deserve to be here, you don't know 1340 01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,200 Speaker 5: what you're doing, and you're being too slow. Trust your 1341 01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:54,720 Speaker 5: voice and I'm with you the whole way. That's like 1342 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:58,519 Speaker 5: my husband, you know, that's her husband, that's not you know, 1343 01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:00,439 Speaker 5: and I and we were very careful make sure this 1344 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:05,240 Speaker 5: wasn't about man woman, It's about partner. And I thought 1345 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,559 Speaker 5: Matt did it so beautifully, you know, Emma, they performed 1346 01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:10,880 Speaker 5: it so beautifully. And the two of them when they 1347 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:12,760 Speaker 5: spoke with me at rehearsal, what I thought was so 1348 01:13:12,920 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 5: lovely about the way they approached it, and this came 1349 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 5: out in Sarah's writing, is just that it's about love. 1350 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,920 Speaker 5: It's about the fact that they love each other. These 1351 01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,800 Speaker 5: scenes can easily be about politics, but that would not 1352 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,639 Speaker 5: be House of the Dragon. What's wonderful about the way 1353 01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:32,400 Speaker 5: Ryan has created this episode and the writing that he's 1354 01:13:32,479 --> 01:13:35,240 Speaker 5: built with Sarah has is that it is emotional. So 1355 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,360 Speaker 5: even though the scene may be about one thing, it's 1356 01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 5: usually about something closer to the heart. 1357 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,880 Speaker 1: Well, geta thank you so much for taking the time. 1358 01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,840 Speaker 3: In ass and congrats on the finale. 1359 01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,559 Speaker 1: The congratulations we eagerly await season three. 1360 01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,160 Speaker 5: Thank you, and thank you for all your great work. 1361 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 5: Those are good questions. 1362 01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:52,800 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much. 1363 01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,600 Speaker 2: It's extremely expensive getting all the way to Sas to 1364 01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,879 Speaker 2: impregnate a beautiful woman's multiple brides. 1365 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,080 Speaker 3: So please support me in that endeavor by listening to 1366 01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,360 Speaker 3: some messages from us post. 1367 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,639 Speaker 1: And we're back, and now our scorecard on the season. 1368 01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:28,720 Speaker 1: We've been keeping score trying to figure out, you know, 1369 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,320 Speaker 1: who do we think is winning, who do you think 1370 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,560 Speaker 1: is losing in this titanic battle between two sides of 1371 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,080 Speaker 1: the same family. And here's where we ended up. My 1372 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 1: final scorecard is coming into this is four to three Green. 1373 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, I guess it's not. I have to 1374 01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,360 Speaker 1: give them. I have to give Team Black a point. Here. 1375 01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:56,840 Speaker 1: They have just you know, forged seemingly the alliance that 1376 01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,800 Speaker 1: will end the war. They have the drag, they are 1377 01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:05,360 Speaker 1: prepared to strike. The Greens are still very strong, but 1378 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,880 Speaker 1: the forces seem too far away at this point to 1379 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,519 Speaker 1: really affect what we all expect to be the looming 1380 01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,639 Speaker 1: invasion of King's Landing. And so I give the Blacks 1381 01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,760 Speaker 1: a point. And so I end season two for House 1382 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,680 Speaker 1: of the Dragon tied up four four. 1383 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,160 Speaker 2: Okay, I am gonna also go, I think it has 1384 01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:29,040 Speaker 2: to be Team Black. Even though Team Green does make 1385 01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:32,439 Speaker 2: some headway this season, we know because of the joys 1386 01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,479 Speaker 2: of dramatic irony. We know that Allison has made this 1387 01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,320 Speaker 2: deal with Raniera that that is looking very important. Obviously, 1388 01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:42,160 Speaker 2: we also know she's got these dragon writers. I do 1389 01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:46,880 Speaker 2: think off is a big liability, but you know what, 1390 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:50,800 Speaker 2: it's fine a So yeah, so I'm team Black. They've 1391 01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:52,719 Speaker 2: won for me five to three. But I have always 1392 01:15:52,720 --> 01:15:57,679 Speaker 2: been a little bit Ranera biased. Jason, who's your MVP 1393 01:15:58,040 --> 01:15:58,679 Speaker 2: of the season? 1394 01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Wow, my MVP of the season. Gosh, gosh, this is 1395 01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,160 Speaker 1: really tough. I think I'm gonna go with with Massaria. Okay. 1396 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: I love that put together the strategy that allowed the 1397 01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 1: Blacks to start to fight back, the kind of get 1398 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:28,400 Speaker 1: the get the street talking strategy, get them upset, allowed 1399 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,000 Speaker 1: the Blacks to strike a blow even when they weren't 1400 01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:36,040 Speaker 1: prepared militarily to strike a blow. She was integral to 1401 01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:41,200 Speaker 1: the dragon Seed project, which as of now, as of now, 1402 01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:44,640 Speaker 1: seems like a success, As of right now appears to 1403 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:47,880 Speaker 1: be a smashing success. 1404 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,240 Speaker 3: And she has. 1405 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,639 Speaker 1: She has the Queen's trust in it in a different way, 1406 01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,720 Speaker 1: in a way that I think anybody expected. And so 1407 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,719 Speaker 1: I'm going to give Massaria my envy. I guess it's like, really, Nira, 1408 01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Missoria co MVP, Who is your MVP. 1409 01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,080 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for Jase because even though he yeah, 1410 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,919 Speaker 2: even though he is he's been very whiny recently. 1411 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,799 Speaker 3: Early on in the season, he secured the river lands, 1412 01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:16,200 Speaker 3: you know, the Twins. 1413 01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:19,360 Speaker 2: He made that happen. He got people on side, he 1414 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 2: was going out. He was doing planning, scheming, plotting, he 1415 01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 2: was doing strategy and bold movements when Rania was telling 1416 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,400 Speaker 2: him stay indoors, go to bed, don't do it. So 1417 01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:36,439 Speaker 2: I do think he made some really important moves for them. 1418 01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:39,920 Speaker 2: I think he is quite strategic. But I will say 1419 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:44,360 Speaker 2: next season he needs to do less whining. 1420 01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,519 Speaker 3: He's got to grow up. He's got to mature a 1421 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 3: little bit. He's complaining a bit too much. 1422 01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,719 Speaker 2: But I do think that without him, the Black Faction 1423 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,200 Speaker 2: would not be in such a good position. And also 1424 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,719 Speaker 2: the Cheekbones could just cut through glass. Like he's always serving, 1425 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:03,439 Speaker 2: He's saving, scheming, Annie's saving looks so Jace, I think 1426 01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 2: he is an underrated MVP. I think he's big things 1427 01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,360 Speaker 2: could come for him if he doesn't let the irrational 1428 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:12,280 Speaker 2: teenager inside him ruin his plans. 1429 01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:15,960 Speaker 3: Well, what a. 1430 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,040 Speaker 1: Fantastic I really loved it was just such. 1431 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:22,080 Speaker 3: A joy to get to just be deranged about. 1432 01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:25,800 Speaker 1: And I really loved it. You know, it's interesting watching 1433 01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,479 Speaker 1: people the criticism. You know, I can't, you can't. Really, 1434 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:32,120 Speaker 1: it's very little to argue with. But I will say 1435 01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:36,479 Speaker 1: that I think a lot of it again is, man, 1436 01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:37,439 Speaker 1: we got away two years. 1437 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,760 Speaker 3: I think that's really the biggest issue people have. 1438 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it feels like such a long time. I remember, 1439 01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:46,599 Speaker 1: what was it, the end of the end of season 1440 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:53,840 Speaker 1: five where you get Aria sailing West, and I remember thinking, Fuck, 1441 01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,400 Speaker 1: it's over. The season's over, and we've got to wait 1442 01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,880 Speaker 1: like another year plus now, and it's just just like 1443 01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,000 Speaker 1: a really dark feeling. 1444 01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:01,560 Speaker 5: You know. 1445 01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,400 Speaker 1: We talk about how much we love a weekly model 1446 01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,640 Speaker 1: as opposed to a binge model, and at the same time, like, 1447 01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:11,400 Speaker 1: it's hard. I want everything now, I want everything right now. 1448 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,880 Speaker 3: It's the nature of the nature of streaming. I think 1449 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,680 Speaker 3: a lot of people, brilliant writers like Mo Ryan have 1450 01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,439 Speaker 3: talked about it can feel overwhelming to have to wait 1451 01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,439 Speaker 3: two years and then you have to remember everything that happened, 1452 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,519 Speaker 3: you have to watch it again, and especially if it's 1453 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,000 Speaker 3: a show like this, which becomes the central focus of 1454 01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:36,400 Speaker 3: conversations at work, conversations in your life conversations online. It's 1455 01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 3: a long way. 1456 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:39,920 Speaker 2: I totally get why people feel that way, but I'm 1457 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:43,760 Speaker 2: excited and as an Allison Rania shipper, I just feel 1458 01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,400 Speaker 2: like this was a fantastic and well, even if they 1459 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 2: didn't kiss, you know, I would have loved for them 1460 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,200 Speaker 2: to kiss, but I think we passed that. 1461 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,479 Speaker 1: Now, on Thursday on Extra Vision, we have the man 1462 01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:00,240 Speaker 1: who haunted a million childhoods across the globe, Goosebumps author 1463 01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:04,839 Speaker 1: bah blah blah blah bump rl sign. And then next week, folks, 1464 01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,680 Speaker 1: get ready, get ready to get faced, are about to 1465 01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:14,280 Speaker 1: have You're about to have an overpositor shoved down your 1466 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,080 Speaker 1: mouth because it's zen no morph whoa. The face huggers 1467 01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:20,080 Speaker 1: are here hey, and they're helping us get ready for 1468 01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:23,360 Speaker 1: Alien Romulus with episodes every day from Monday to Friday, 1469 01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:26,160 Speaker 1: highlighting our favorite alien moments and comics and on screen, 1470 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:29,879 Speaker 1: some behind the scenes stories and more, plus a special 1471 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,840 Speaker 1: surprise for you really sink your teeth into next Friday. 1472 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:42,160 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode, Thanks for listening. X Ray 1473 01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:46,280 Speaker 1: Vision is hosted by Jason Concepcion and Rosie Knight and 1474 01:20:46,439 --> 01:20:50,160 Speaker 1: is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are 1475 01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,640 Speaker 1: Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a 1476 01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:59,639 Speaker 1: Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Lron and Mia Taylor. 1477 01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:02,440 Speaker 1: Our theme song is by Brian Basquez. 1478 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,280 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman 1479 01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:08,520 Speaker 2: and Heidi. 1480 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:19,080 Speaker 3: Are Discord moderator. Dun't dun, dunt dun