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Speaker 2: cannot believe it. The Pistons blew a nine o lead
Speaker 2: down the stretch and they beat them in overtime. They
Speaker 2: led by nine with under two minutes what about two
Speaker 2: minutes to go in the ball And this is what check.
Speaker 2: This is what Charles Barkley said about Jalen Duran pregame.
Speaker 2: His whole game is offensive rebounds, lob dunks from Cave.
Speaker 2: He should never have just two rebounds. Ever, that's two
Speaker 2: more than another person. Well, tonight he finished with five rebounds,
Speaker 2: only had nine points with a plus minus of sixteen
Speaker 2: minus sixteen. Yeah, plus minus and minus minus sixteen. He
Speaker 2: was on the minus side. He ain't nothing plus. I
Speaker 2: only know why I mentioned plus. It was all subtraction.
Speaker 2: I guess I do know a little something because I've
Speaker 2: been saying this all alone. But he's gonna want two
Speaker 2: hundred plus million dollars. And the man who's been gave
Speaker 2: you a game he had ten two rebounds, gave you
Speaker 2: another game where he had five. Joe, I'm gonna let
Speaker 2: you have it. But Cave gotta stop turning the ball over.
Speaker 2: He turned He turned it over three big times in
Speaker 2: the third quarter, and that last one where Screws picked
Speaker 2: his pockets. You can't have that. He's too good of
Speaker 2: a player. He played too well tonight to have that
Speaker 2: and to let that be what we kind of remember
Speaker 2: this for. It's kind of like the Isaiah Thomas. You
Speaker 2: remember Isaiah Thomas when he threw the ball try to
Speaker 2: sneak the ball in bounds and Henderson ended up stealing
Speaker 2: the ball and laying it up. You can't, okay, Joe,
Speaker 2: how was Cleveland able to be so resilient down the
Speaker 2: stretch and win this ball game in overtime?
Speaker 3: Man, Hey, it's the same thing that we've talked about
Speaker 3: with Detroit. Man, you look at it. If Kay don't
Speaker 3: get no help from nobody else. Yep, Jenkins gave him
Speaker 3: a solid you know nineteen byas to Bias just probably
Speaker 3: his word aim of the series, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, Joe, he got so much he carrying
Speaker 3: on his damn back. Yeah, he gonna now he can't
Speaker 3: have no six turnovers. I'm with you, But some of
Speaker 3: them mistakes he gonna make. Bro just by fatigue, I
Speaker 3: mean his usage. He played forty eight minutes. I know
Speaker 3: they went in the overtime, but Bro, he's all they
Speaker 3: got offensively. I mean, Paul I thought Paul Reid came
Speaker 3: in and gave him a lyft. Hell, he made it
Speaker 3: to where it was hard for you for him to
Speaker 3: put during back in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So uh.
Speaker 3: But when you look at Thompson, Okay, Joe, as great
Speaker 3: as he is defensively and three blocks folks, steals, five assists,
Speaker 3: seven rebounds, he has so many opportunities where he could
Speaker 3: still put some points on the board, meaning like he
Speaker 3: gets offensive rebounds, he looking to kick out, like he
Speaker 3: ain't even looking at the goal, just to even be
Speaker 3: aggressive sometimes, you know what I mean, you right there
Speaker 3: in the paint. I just feel like they rely on
Speaker 3: k so much and if he's not heroic, hell, it's
Speaker 3: hard for him to win.
Speaker 1: Joe.
Speaker 2: You said something very interesting is that if you look
Speaker 2: at those three turnovers, what was he trying to do?
Speaker 1: Play make for somebody else.
Speaker 2: He could have just went he could have easily just
Speaker 2: gone to the basket, but instead of going up, he's
Speaker 2: trying to dump it off and the guy moves, the
Speaker 2: ball goes out of bounds, or.
Speaker 1: Somebody ends up having the basketball turnover.
Speaker 2: I think he had four of his six turnovers, and
Speaker 2: and and after the half. That one in overtime was
Speaker 2: a killer because he got he got bit clean. He
Speaker 2: got picked because at least if you turned the ball over, Joe,
Speaker 2: if you turn the ball over and you give him
Speaker 2: an opportunity to set my defense. Yeah, I'm disappointed because
Speaker 2: we didn't even get a shout up at the rim.
Speaker 2: But if you turn them all over it if we
Speaker 2: don't even get a chance to set our defense. We cooked, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we cooked, and then we can do I said.
Speaker 4: You also have to think about it too, like Joe said,
Speaker 4: I think, for one, you need Tobias Harris to play.
Speaker 4: He played great all series, Joe. Hell, he's been playing
Speaker 4: great all in the entirety of the playoffs. But I
Speaker 4: think tonight is the night with Tobias Harris need to
Speaker 4: show up and take some of that pressure off a kid.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I know he played a lot of minutes, but he
Speaker 4: needed to be one of those that can when they
Speaker 4: needed the bucket.
Speaker 1: He needed to come.
Speaker 4: He needs to step up to the party. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what's wrong with brother Thompson. As great as he
Speaker 4: is defensively.
Speaker 5: I see.
Speaker 1: Challenge. That's what's wrong with the most.
Speaker 4: We can't use that excuse, especially once you get that
Speaker 4: next that next level, you.
Speaker 1: Don't want to be.
Speaker 4: You don't want to be one dimensional. You can't be
Speaker 4: one dimensional.
Speaker 1: Well, he can't change that. He can't change that in
Speaker 1: the series. Yeah, I understand.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what was wrong, brother, Jalen Duran either, Joe,
Speaker 4: you know, for.
Speaker 1: Some what's wrong with it?
Speaker 4: At some time to give you twenty, sometime to give
Speaker 4: you twenty. Sometimes they give you nothing in the playoffs
Speaker 4: when last. I don't I don't understand what I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't understand what's wrong.
Speaker 3: I think his best game in this postseason is fifteen
Speaker 3: to fifteen, Bro, I'm keeping that's the biggest difference. I mean, hell,
Speaker 3: he ain't no guy who you're gonna just come down
Speaker 3: and throw the ball to his his A lot of
Speaker 3: his points came from pick and roll with K or
Speaker 3: energy and effort buckets, but he ain't getting none of them. Hell,
Speaker 3: you can't only with five rebounds or two rebounds in
Speaker 3: the game, bro. Like, I don't really know, man, I
Speaker 3: think Detroit got some soul show shoing to do. But
Speaker 3: we still got to give Cleveland credit. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 3: James Harden. Give James Harden. He needed James Harden needed
Speaker 3: this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he did, he did, He did give Strews
Speaker 2: credit coming off the BA with he was a huge
Speaker 2: difference maker.
Speaker 1: He was the difference was he absolutely was Joseph Yeah, mattrew.
Speaker 4: You a young boy was a fishing to night Joe
Speaker 4: and fishing his.
Speaker 3: Hell he a, He's one of those others who we
Speaker 3: talk about. Bro, you can't let you gotta. You gotta
Speaker 3: alleviate the others and make the stars be stars, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. But if you let a guy
Speaker 3: like Streets get out on you old Joe, Hell, that's
Speaker 3: a game he potentially won for him tonight just by
Speaker 3: his efficiency alone. Hell, he only took eight shots, all
Speaker 3: of them with threes. He was six for eight from three.
Speaker 3: I mean, what what what better? What better complimentary peats
Speaker 3: you want next to you know, Mitchell and hardening those
Speaker 3: situations where guys making shots, Bro. I mean, he did
Speaker 3: his job tonight. He did his job because I don't
Speaker 3: know why d Wade be out there. He'd just be
Speaker 3: running Spress.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Joe, he waited, waited your five right either even
Speaker 4: four small forward bene Alan and the four and five.
Speaker 3: Yeah hey listen he be guard Yeah yeah, man, hey,
Speaker 3: he be guarding Kate. I'm like, why the hell, they
Speaker 3: got him guarding Kve because.
Speaker 2: They don't really have anybody else they don't have I mean,
Speaker 2: you think about it. And so when he can when
Speaker 2: he comes out, that means Streus comes in. And you
Speaker 2: see Screws basically guarded cave because you can't put Alan
Speaker 2: on him. You can't put Mobley on him, and Donovan
Speaker 2: Mitchell and and and and and James Harden can't guard him.
Speaker 1: So he's your next option. He's the only Strew saying, uh,
Speaker 1: what do you call him?
Speaker 2: Maybe you might be able to think about throwing Marril
Speaker 2: on him with maybe Tyson, but you feel more comfortable
Speaker 2: with Wade and Strew's Jordan, and I thought Strew's challenged
Speaker 2: as much as he could. Kate had it going tonight.
Speaker 2: He played well enough to win. But you can't turn
Speaker 2: the ball over like that.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't turn the ball. You can't turn the ball over,
Speaker 2: old Joe.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna keep it real, man, Cleveland ain't got
Speaker 3: now one person who can stick to b He get
Speaker 3: whatever you want, Joe, he gets.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about every time too. Every time.
Speaker 3: Hey, look, he may even need to be a little
Speaker 3: bit on self as you asked me, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, because I know he tried to get shots
Speaker 3: for these other guys and get him involved. But it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: some of the passes he making do nothing with it.
Speaker 3: It's like some of the passes he making, he giving
Speaker 3: you great opportunity, but it'd be a mislay up or
Speaker 3: a missed I'm like, hold on, bro, I rather you
Speaker 3: shoot that one.
Speaker 2: I I totally agree. I just think the thing is
Speaker 2: we can say two things can be true. Detroit actually gagged,
Speaker 2: but there we've seen it before, Ohoe team where the
Speaker 2: opportunity was there, they just didn't take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: Give Cleveland credit because in the process of a gagging,
Speaker 2: somebody had to put you under the rest and then
Speaker 2: somebody had to follow through. And you see Cleveland they
Speaker 2: made every big shot. And I was I was just
Speaker 2: getting ready to tweet, and I got distracted. I said,
Speaker 2: James Harden is gonna miss one of these free throws.
Speaker 2: He's gonna miss one of these free throws. And I've
Speaker 2: been damn if he ain't miss one and they don't
Speaker 2: get the rebound, you see the realize the ball's my
Speaker 2: choice until until it's in your hands. He missed the
Speaker 2: free throw and you don't get it.
Speaker 1: What have you done?
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a shot. Oh you played great, okay,
Speaker 2: but the ball goes up and you don't get the rebound.
Speaker 2: You ain't got nothing, y'all right, it's right, oh joy
Speaker 2: in our sport, you get it. Get them the third down,
Speaker 2: and then you can't get off the field. What good
Speaker 2: is getting them the third down if you can't get
Speaker 2: off the field. Oh, you shut them down on first
Speaker 2: or second. They ain't got nothing, but they come on
Speaker 2: the field first down, first down, first. Eventually that's gonna
Speaker 2: catch up with you. Eventually they gonna put Lord on
Speaker 2: your ass. Absolutely what happened? And then I don't know
Speaker 2: what took him so long to file? I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: how many decayed have five files?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you gotta take that file soon as you
Speaker 2: let five second run off the clock for no reason.
Speaker 1: But I think Cleveland Bro.
Speaker 2: I think Cleveland Bro, Cleveland Cavalary has played unbelievable under
Speaker 2: under the rest like that, Cause ya, we talked about this.
Speaker 2: This series might have been shit have been over. If
Speaker 2: Shreter doesn't turn that ball over, This is over now, Joe,
Speaker 2: It's for it. Might be for one.
Speaker 3: You're right, You're right, and when you got you know,
Speaker 3: I think Allen and Mobley gave him great contribution tonight,
Speaker 3: meaning meaning they were superside Joe.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean you know, you just don't. You can't have
Speaker 3: one with eighteen and then another one with four, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. So this is a great balance
Speaker 3: for them. I thought they big guns played well and
Speaker 3: then like you need a other you need somebody to
Speaker 3: come along, somebody who can help win the game.
Speaker 1: And they were Strews bro Hey, look, they've done what
Speaker 1: they needed to do.
Speaker 3: Now, I guess you know if you Cleveland, obviously you
Speaker 3: want to close them out in six.
Speaker 2: This will be six, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hey, they got to hold on. It depends what the game,
Speaker 4: what the next game at Cleveland, Cleveland, they got to
Speaker 4: close it out. They got to close it out. I
Speaker 4: feel good. I would love for this game to be
Speaker 4: one of James Harden's games. Whe has an out of
Speaker 4: body experience into that when he played with the goddamn Rockets.
Speaker 4: He's been too up and down. Gotta protect the ball.
Speaker 4: Domovan Mitchell gonna be Donovan Mitchell. I was I was
Speaker 4: hoping you get that shut off before regulation ended, you know,
Speaker 4: but they trapped him and got that ball out of
Speaker 4: his hands.
Speaker 1: That was a foul. Should have called a foul on Jared.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, that was clean.
Speaker 2: Thompson got that out clean. No, I'm saying Alan tripped him.
Speaker 2: Tom's going to get the ball and Alan tripped him.
Speaker 4: Hold on, do you really want to call a foul
Speaker 4: that in that moment?
Speaker 1: It's a foul?
Speaker 4: Yes, you got, you got. You gotta be cauts, you know.
Speaker 4: You don't want to end the game. And no, not
Speaker 4: not out that that that's that.
Speaker 1: He's going. He's going.
Speaker 2: He but here is the problem. Tony Brothers wasn't even
Speaker 2: looking at him. Go look, Tony is standing right there.
Speaker 2: He lookt this way Alan, and and.
Speaker 4: And Thompson right here, right right right right right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Indeed with that, with that foul and send him to
Speaker 4: the free throw line. Yes, with on the clock, I
Speaker 4: would I wouldn't want to end the game like that,
Speaker 4: wouldn'tant again, I'd rather go to overtime.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, guess what I should do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna file somebody because you don't want the game
Speaker 2: to end in the foul. So I'm just gonna file
Speaker 2: hell out of him and say, okay, let's just go
Speaker 2: to overtime.
Speaker 4: But listen, if you think about it too, if you
Speaker 4: think about it right, if you if you think about
Speaker 4: football right, every single down, Joe, no matter what, especially
Speaker 4: in the in the interior, you can call a foul
Speaker 4: every single time if you want to, because every single
Speaker 4: time there's something going on, it has to be egregious.
Speaker 4: And you can see that trip was probably it was
Speaker 4: more of a mistake as as it being done purposely.
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't want the game to end. But they
Speaker 4: always always called tripping.
Speaker 2: That they always call that they called They called tripping
Speaker 2: about five times the other night.
Speaker 1: I gave you prime example.
Speaker 2: So you did you would you have wanted the Philly
Speaker 2: game with Bradford the fourth Hell, juju, you ow that
Speaker 2: call and just let him play.
Speaker 4: That was agregious song. That was That was that That
Speaker 4: was a game to end like that on too. I
Speaker 4: understand what you mean. I I just don't I love
Speaker 4: that the ref he held his whistled in that moment
Speaker 4: allowed them boys to go to overtime and allow the
Speaker 4: game to be decided by open play.
Speaker 1: Now the goddamn found well.
Speaker 2: He guess what he allowed to be side of the
Speaker 2: over play. Alan tripped him. He didn't call the bouts,
Speaker 2: he allowed it. But no, give I think I think
Speaker 2: the Cavaliers being down and being able to be resilient.
Speaker 1: And to continue to play.
Speaker 2: But you know what, in order you can continue to play,
Speaker 2: Detroit got to be got to do some dumb, bone
Speaker 2: headed things.
Speaker 1: And they did. They did. You can't there, Joe, Katie,
Speaker 1: come okay, you better than this.
Speaker 2: And and you know what, I wouldn't even have been
Speaker 2: mad if he took every shot, if he look at
Speaker 2: if you look at JB and say, bro, I ain't
Speaker 2: passing this ball. I don't give a damn unless they track,
Speaker 2: unless they triple toe me. I ain't giving this ball up.
Speaker 2: I'll let the twenty four second clock run out. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: guess you let four of them go out and they
Speaker 2: don't if they don't, if they just don't score on
Speaker 2: one possession, I led twenty four seconds run out of Joe.
Speaker 1: I guess what I would win the game?
Speaker 2: Yeah? He look, Hey, look, hey, I still don't put
Speaker 2: it past Detroit to come back and win this series.
Speaker 4: Do you think they're gonna get two games in the road?
Speaker 1: Joe, I think they can.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I don't know if they will,
Speaker 3: but I think they built to where they can go
Speaker 3: in Cleveland and get Wael like that.
Speaker 4: Joe and Tobias are struggling, trying to carry the whole
Speaker 4: team on this goddamn back with no goddamn help.
Speaker 2: They went, they went through this last series.
Speaker 1: But this is the first game.
Speaker 2: This is really the first game in what this game
Speaker 2: six and and and thirteen games that Tobias did not
Speaker 2: play well. He did not play well. Now, he played
Speaker 2: well in the first half. You look at him, made
Speaker 2: he was making plays in the first half. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know what happened in the second half, but he
Speaker 2: was playing well. I just think the turnovers just caught
Speaker 2: up to him. You can't turn the ball over like yeah,
Speaker 2: they had they I mean, they were constantly turnovers. And Thompson, Bro,
Speaker 2: you gotta stop filing you, Joe. What he's doing is
Speaker 2: putting them in the penalty so early. They shot thirty
Speaker 2: eight free throws. They shot thirty eight, they're plus thirteen
Speaker 2: from the free throw line, and James Harder just going
Speaker 2: bloom bloom bloom. Now he you know, hey, and you
Speaker 2: know he's say school, yeah, yeah, probably yeah, you you
Speaker 2: you you messed those up both times. You'd have been
Speaker 2: Oh he felt some type of way with that miss
Speaker 2: free throw. They come back and had won this ball game,
Speaker 2: and Donovan Mitchell six and six.
Speaker 5: You can't.
Speaker 2: He's putting him in the he's putting them in the penalty.
Speaker 2: They in six minutes, they shoot free throw. And you
Speaker 2: know how pressive Donovan and hard are. If they don't settle,
Speaker 2: they're gonna put pressure on you. And when they put
Speaker 2: pressure and they eat. Look, he's a hell of a defender.
Speaker 2: But bro, don't work work on any slide drills. You
Speaker 2: gotta work on shooting drills. You're killing your team.
Speaker 4: Hey, if Thompson's strength is is defense right now and
Speaker 4: he's not really that good on offense, does that mean
Speaker 4: it's twins?
Speaker 1: Probably the opposite. No, his twin is exactly the same.
Speaker 2: His twenty is a little better offensively a little bit here, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: a little better.
Speaker 3: But but I agree, man, that this is an offensive
Speaker 3: game nowadays. Now, if you if you're great defensive like
Speaker 3: he is, Man, Man, listen, he could.
Speaker 1: Be a hell of a player in this league. Bro.
Speaker 3: He it's it's just too many times. He don't even
Speaker 3: look at the damn basket when he got the ball
Speaker 3: for me. Yes, you know what I mean. And it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just so much a And then when
Speaker 3: you think about Harden and Mitchell, see they these are
Speaker 3: two uh, two prolific scores in this league who really
Speaker 3: know how to use their body and use your.
Speaker 4: Aggressiveness against you.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we know you're gonna be trying to deny
Speaker 3: this day. And it's just a little slight change of
Speaker 3: pace bro to where I speed up, slow down. Now
Speaker 3: you're running to me now, but now you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Now you have picked up y'all in the penalty.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. This is a learning experience for
Speaker 2: Thompson broke Gard and these two experienced guards who are
Speaker 2: drawing a lot of fouls on I.
Speaker 1: Thought he learned got better.
Speaker 2: You know who had to guard last year Brunson And
Speaker 2: what Brunson do? Stop let him to run into it
Speaker 2: and guess what. James hard and Donovan Mitchell are the
Speaker 2: exact type of that. They're they're different type players, but
Speaker 2: they're they're smart and they know how like you said, Joe,
Speaker 2: you your aggressive against you all they're gonna do is
Speaker 2: get you on their back. Get hey, keep your back there,
Speaker 2: dribble to basketball and guess what, Paul, You're gonna try
Speaker 2: to block it.
Speaker 1: And guess what, They're gonna jump back into you and
Speaker 1: they go into the.
Speaker 2: Free throw line. It's either ad one of the shooting too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you went through with Jaylen Bronson. Jaylen Brunston is the
Speaker 2: master of that is bro. J n Wade from James
Speaker 2: Harden started as as Houston with that dribble, keep that
Speaker 2: dribble alive.
Speaker 1: He got you on his back.
Speaker 2: You got you gotta be super disciplined when you against
Speaker 2: He's got like super disciplined. I mean, like no intendencies.
Speaker 2: You know when games drive through the lane, he gonna
Speaker 2: have that low scoop to where he wants you to
Speaker 2: reach in and he you know, you smack his arms
Speaker 2: like he found baiting you, bro.
Speaker 1: And you got to know that.
Speaker 2: That's why you have certain teams. When they played against
Speaker 2: James Harden in the playoffs, it's keep your hands back.
Speaker 2: Don't even think it is in that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: They're just too good in the aspect of creating files
Speaker 3: and they using it against Detroit but man, Detroit, they're.
Speaker 2: Gonna be they kicking. They let this one get away.
Speaker 2: He let this get away. People, But you want, you
Speaker 2: want Detroit to wear I don't care. I want the
Speaker 2: game to be honest, I want game seven. Guess what
Speaker 2: we get something to talk about.
Speaker 4: Listen, I tell you ahead of time, I don't see
Speaker 4: the Cats and Donald Mitchell and James Harden let this
Speaker 4: game get the seven.
Speaker 1: I just don't.
Speaker 4: I'm just telling you that, especially playing at home, you
Speaker 4: want to you want to close it out, you know,
Speaker 4: to get you to get you a little bit of
Speaker 4: rest before you have to deal them goddamn Nicks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would. Well, that's the mindset you hope that they do.
Speaker 4: Got it, Joe and Joe, listen, you've been wrong all
Speaker 4: god damn playoff series long. Hey, Hey, as great as
Speaker 4: the knowledge as a game of basketball is that you
Speaker 4: do have, I have been right. So I think it's
Speaker 4: your best bet is to probably go along with what
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen, hold on. I'm not counting Detroit out.
Speaker 4: I know you, I know you.
Speaker 2: I understand what Cleveland should be thinking and what they
Speaker 2: probably are thinking.
Speaker 1: But I'm thinking. I know what Detroit thinking too, like
Speaker 1: one game at a time.
Speaker 2: We gotta go down here and got your game and
Speaker 2: bring it back to We gotta have a game seven, period.
Speaker 3: We gotta win game six. So we're gonna throw the
Speaker 3: whole sink aty'll on who is.
Speaker 4: The whole sink? Tobias and tobiasa kind of hand, that's
Speaker 4: the whole sink, now, I see they switched up.
Speaker 2: What happened.
Speaker 3: Dunky Robinson was out his back, sore back. I mean
Speaker 3: Jenkins gave him great contribution. I mean, hell, he started
Speaker 3: off the game. He scored about the first seven points. Yeah, seven, Joe.
Speaker 3: They need Duncan spacing.
Speaker 2: They needed spacing because you gotta guard him because he's
Speaker 2: gonna look, he's looking to get that.
Speaker 1: Three off, get that three off.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just think the thing you'll look and I
Speaker 1: agree with you.
Speaker 2: I thought, I thought Jenkins played well, and you had
Speaker 2: eight or seventeen, two or eight from the three, uh,
Speaker 2: one of one from the free throw line.
Speaker 1: But to Tobias was one of seven from the three.
Speaker 1: He didn't shoot a free throw, which.
Speaker 4: Lets me know he was seven anyone aggressive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was, he was sevening James Harden eleven or fourteen?
Speaker 1: What do you call him? Six or six?
Speaker 2: Donovan Mitchell, Evan Mobley five or six, Jared Allen four
Speaker 2: or five, shrewd of three or five, Strews two or two.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at look at everybody except Dean Wade
Speaker 2: wait Carr head. But for the most part, all those
Speaker 2: guys look at this and then man Duran, Hey, how tall?
Speaker 4: How tall you said? During his uncle like them seven
Speaker 4: that foot? Mm hm, he's just right right now. He'll
Speaker 4: not above eight. No, not, that's it because you know
Speaker 4: what watching him? Yeah, I mean I've been watching the
Speaker 4: entire time. I ain't got no choice.
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, listen with what I've noticed, is he trying
Speaker 2: to get the ball?
Speaker 1: Now, Joe, you saw that too, Her lead right to
Speaker 1: a damn turnover? Hell you do it? No, damn well,
Speaker 1: that is your game.
Speaker 4: He got you gotta add he can listen. I hate
Speaker 4: when y'all talk about players. Right, obviously, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: how basketball works. But if there's a flaw in my
Speaker 4: game and something that I don't have, and I know
Speaker 4: it's being exposed, and times that are important, like right now,
Speaker 4: I waited the Austinas to come and add whatever that
Speaker 4: weakness is add to my game.
Speaker 2: It's ojo. He tried to do this in the game.
Speaker 2: I'm like Patrick Ewing, y'all remember Patrick Ewing. He sided
Speaker 2: to do it to say, hey, so when you practice that,
Speaker 2: when not work on that? Have you ever worked on
Speaker 2: that play before? Have you ever worked on that shop before?
Speaker 2: But so now you're getting the game and you want
Speaker 2: to try that. Yeah, yeah, so you do that. I
Speaker 2: seen listen, I seen the man dribble between his legs.
Speaker 3: I said, hold on a damn we just he like
Speaker 3: Peter Peter Paula say try it out. Damn Dad Like
Speaker 3: during like, shit, hey I can't get nothing going. I'm
Speaker 3: finla hoist up something said, turned right to it off.
Speaker 5: I'm like.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like season o Joe. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to really work on your game. Door. You
Speaker 1: got meetings, you got practice, you got games.
Speaker 2: You don't have that time to just devote two three
Speaker 2: hours to just go on over a route running or
Speaker 2: or or a moved Yeah, you work on a little movie.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We got individual piers. Oh yeah stuff. Yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: work on the youth, not just a warm up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that ain't nothing just some warm up off season
Speaker 2: when you work on your game. I'm working on stuff individually.
Speaker 2: Then with y'all get runs. Joe, you know, you get
Speaker 2: your runs, and I try to put it in use. Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm working on something off season. Now when I get
Speaker 2: back to manicamps. Now, this is my opportunity. Let me see,
Speaker 2: let me see, let me see how see it right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And you know what?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 4: That that foundation, that foundation of craftsmanship based on the
Speaker 4: position you play. Joe and Uncle, it's building off season.
Speaker 4: It's building off season. Once you get into that structured environment,
Speaker 4: whether it's basketball, football, hockey, I don't care what it
Speaker 4: is you play, it's all exit and nose. You got
Speaker 4: the already be the finished product once you get there.
Speaker 4: All that trying to work on stuff and change the
Speaker 4: game in the middle of the season, trying to add stuff.
Speaker 2: Ain't no for that, Nope, because like like Joe, you look,
Speaker 2: you can tested this. Joe, you laying in a city
Speaker 2: late at night. I mean you might get in one
Speaker 2: two in the morning. Okay, you want to sleep in
Speaker 2: so by the time you land, by the time to
Speaker 2: get your ass off the bus, I mean off the plane,
Speaker 2: get on the bus, get to the hotel. It might
Speaker 2: be two thirty three. Well you got shoot around once,
Speaker 2: you got shoot around eleven, Joe.
Speaker 1: And well on.
Speaker 3: Days like that, they may yeah, you may have shooting
Speaker 3: around probably eleven, or if you got a game the
Speaker 3: next day, we'll probably just have a meeting at like
Speaker 3: noon or one o'clock.
Speaker 1: In the hole.
Speaker 2: So you can't work on your gas. So what you
Speaker 2: gonna don't go to Jimmy work on your game. Now
Speaker 2: you're going straight to the game and you still can't
Speaker 2: work on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2: Everything is rolling so quick. That's why the off season
Speaker 2: is so important. That's where you bel a foundation of
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do hopefully be able to carry
Speaker 2: over into the season.
Speaker 1: That's why we always preach how important you know. Look,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and get your little vacation out the way,
Speaker 2: because when you come back to set that foundation on Joe,
Speaker 2: the foundation is everything.
Speaker 1: Strong foundation.
Speaker 2: There can be no cracks, there can be no brother
Speaker 2: I don't care because one pig built his house on
Speaker 2: a solid foundation. The other pigs built on some bullgeized ship.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that bad ass had to run to
Speaker 2: the homeboy house. Oh, they're about to be bacant. So
Speaker 2: get your foundation. Your foundation is everything, and work on
Speaker 2: a work from there.
Speaker 1: But and have an aa A.
Speaker 2: You got to have a mean routine, bro, I'm talking
Speaker 2: about a routine that you stick to no matter what
Speaker 2: the hell going on.
Speaker 4: You know what, Joe, That routine becomes boring to Joe.
Speaker 4: It is talking about about it all the time. That
Speaker 4: routine boring. They find you find you one of two things.
Speaker 4: Every player, you have to have a niche. There has
Speaker 4: to be something special about you. Because everybody it's a
Speaker 4: bunch of receivers, it's thirty two teams. But you got
Speaker 4: to have one thing about you that especially that separates
Speaker 4: you from everybody else. Everybody fat Joe. Everybody can catch Joe.
Speaker 4: But what is it about you that makes you different
Speaker 4: from the next person, not only on your team, but
Speaker 4: on the other on the other thirty one teams, which
Speaker 4: creates that value. That's what creates the value in you, Joe.
Speaker 4: I can do this, but nobody else can, even though
Speaker 4: they can run and catch. But this one special thing
Speaker 4: about me, this is my niche, and this is why
Speaker 4: I'm of value to whatever team I play for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fact. What we say all the time Greatness
Speaker 2: is boring because this money is doing.
Speaker 1: The same thing over and over and hoping for the
Speaker 1: same results. See.
Speaker 2: Insanity is doing something over and over and hoping for
Speaker 2: a different result. Greatness is doing the same thing over
Speaker 2: and over and hoping for the same result. You see, people, Man,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you eat the same thing over
Speaker 2: and over. I can see you don't eat the same
Speaker 2: thing and over. I can see how you.
Speaker 1: Talk about the job of emotion.
Speaker 2: But people get mad at me, Joe when I man,
Speaker 2: how you what row? It's really not that complicated. It's
Speaker 2: really not I say. What you're doing is you're mistaken
Speaker 2: the habit for hard work. You think because you do
Speaker 2: something every day you actually work it hard. You doing
Speaker 2: that out of habit? Man, I get up every day
Speaker 2: at four o'clock.
Speaker 1: What you do?
Speaker 2: Man, I be busy? Bees are busy? Answer busy? What
Speaker 2: are you doing to become great? And I think we
Speaker 2: should we should also highlight this.
Speaker 1: Guys. Everybody does not want to be great.
Speaker 2: We're specifically talking about people that want to be great,
Speaker 2: have a burning and a desire to be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it requires not only discipline, but it requires I
Speaker 2: was a commitment, not a promise. A promise is like
Speaker 2: podcrust is feeling and easily broken. It requires a commitment.
Speaker 1: Everybody ain't committed to do this thing every day all.
Speaker 2: The time, dream about it, think about it, live it. Boy.
Speaker 1: Man, all you do is all you do is work out?
Speaker 2: Man? What else you got because that's all I want
Speaker 2: to do. I want to be great because I do
Speaker 2: realize this is as a professional athlete. There's a very
Speaker 2: short self life. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a doctor.
Speaker 2: And get thirty years at this. I do gonna get
Speaker 2: forty years at this. I get a finite period of time.
Speaker 2: I can walk away and say I a man. If
Speaker 2: I had just ate better, man, you know what if
Speaker 2: I hadn't have gone out, yo, man, if I had
Speaker 2: just worked out a little harder, man, if I oh, boy, boy,
Speaker 2: if I could have studied, if I knew what I
Speaker 2: do then what I know now now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hello, hello man, come on, Durren, you you I mean,
Speaker 2: ain't no way you should be eight nine points?
Speaker 4: Hey, Joe, Hey, why who's the Who's the Who's the
Speaker 4: NBA guru? When it comes to offense, where most of
Speaker 4: the players go to it got to be one person.
Speaker 2: Uh damn me and like tin like if you want
Speaker 2: to the guy, what's the guy with the big the Cavaliers.
Speaker 2: Who was Chris Johnson out there in l A. The
Speaker 2: guy he used to be coached. He was with Tyler,
Speaker 2: He was with the Lakers last year. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: Phiel Handy. A lot of guys go to field. Kyrie
Speaker 2: worked with hil He worked with a lot of guys.
Speaker 2: Phil Phield work with a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: Fields. Great at what he does. That's what. Yeah, him
Speaker 1: and him, him and Chris Johnson. Yeah what Rico did
Speaker 1: U c l A. Rudds Yeah, yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: Rico Rico, Uh, he's.
Speaker 3: Assistant coach for the Philadelphia seventy six. Yeah, but he
Speaker 3: still had he was out there in l A. He
Speaker 3: still get all them young guys together in the summer
Speaker 3: and you know they they do. They played pick up.
Speaker 3: He teach him how to play ocho. You know, he
Speaker 3: got a nice thing. I played out there back in
Speaker 3: my day. Man, he been doing that for a minute.
Speaker 4: I played at U c l A. I did one time.
Speaker 4: I did it wrung one time with Westbrook. God, and
Speaker 4: I was I'm not saying I was a baby. I
Speaker 4: was young, but I was still able to able to
Speaker 4: move while I wasn't a liability out there with them boys.
Speaker 4: And I tell you one thing, I got the ball.
Speaker 4: I ain't do nothing with it, but passed that bitch
Speaker 4: me looking silly.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the boy getting it ocho. Since I came
Speaker 2: into the league.
Speaker 3: You know it when I told you when we had
Speaker 3: Master p on here, and I told y'all Master p
Speaker 3: got a nine team. Boy, Hey, it be some real
Speaker 3: hoopers in there, bro Hey, Ben David and Paul Pisch
Speaker 3: used to host some games in the summer.
Speaker 1: He used to go down and you know.
Speaker 4: Who can hang with them boys, even though he never
Speaker 4: played that level.
Speaker 2: But he's good atto yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: you know but you know what, guys, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But I don't know what it is because a part
Speaker 2: of me think that if I were to go somewhere
Speaker 2: and I get some assistance, he might take credit for
Speaker 2: my success.
Speaker 1: And I don't want nobody to take credit for his success.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to Elijah want if I'm a big man, yeah,
Speaker 2: and I want to work on my offense. Who got
Speaker 2: bit what big man had feet like Elijah Wan Lebron
Speaker 2: went to him. So many guys have gone to it,
Speaker 2: developed that tip up and under the fade away winby
Speaker 2: think about it, not just rocket players, outside players. He said, Hey,
Speaker 2: I ain't hording this knowledge. If you want it, I'm
Speaker 2: more than willing to share it with you. But you
Speaker 2: gotta break you got it, like I don't care. You
Speaker 2: don't know how good you can be if you don't care.
Speaker 2: Who gets the credit?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: I know, Man, these dudes here, oh Joe, they got it.
Speaker 2: I know if I was a basketball player, I know.
Speaker 2: I'm ay where am I deficient at? I'm watching I'm
Speaker 2: seeing where I'm deficient at? Who can help me working
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going to get right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm working on that.
Speaker 4: A matter of fact, Joe, I might go see field
Speaker 4: Handy before I play.
Speaker 1: You go ahead, help.
Speaker 4: I might do that and Foundation you can go see
Speaker 4: whoever the hell you want to see. That ain't gonna help,
Speaker 4: That's what I want you to think, playboy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't gonna.
Speaker 4: I tell you one thing. I tell you one thing
Speaker 4: back in back in high school. You know, do you
Speaker 4: know what they need to call me?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm my nickname high school? Yeah, he's gonna wait
Speaker 4: to under that going, Hey, Hey, I like that.
Speaker 5: I used that.
Speaker 4: Hey, are you at the workshop? Man?
Speaker 1: That was a good one.
Speaker 2: The next segment is brought to you by Tommy John
Speaker 2: where comfort is the new power move and the Lakers
Speaker 2: pulled a power move on Lebron. On March thirty first,
Speaker 2: the Lakers defeated the Cavaliers to security of Lebron James
Speaker 2: his record breaking twelve hundred and twenty ninth win. It
Speaker 2: was the same night Luca passed fifteen thousand points, Rui
Speaker 2: passed five thousand points. JJ Reddick reached one hundred wins.
Speaker 2: According to Dave mcminnimon, Lakers Jim rob Polinka gave the
Speaker 2: game ball to Reddick over anybody else, and Lebron felt
Speaker 2: Polenka's priority was yet another example of the Lakers taking
Speaker 2: him for granted. On other notes, he has had a
Speaker 2: great relationship with JJ Reddick. One thing the Lakers got right.
Speaker 2: The Lakers approached and how they show interest in retaining
Speaker 2: him and their plan for any discount will be a factor.
Speaker 2: Lebron James Herris Lebron James before Cleveland and with Lebron
Speaker 2: seven years before he got there, There was two nineteen
Speaker 2: and two twenty three, forty percent win rate. The seven
Speaker 2: years with him, they won sixty three percent of their games.
Speaker 2: Lebron Miami. Before he arrived, there was one forty nine
Speaker 2: and won seventy nine, a forty five percent win rate.
Speaker 2: His four years there, there was two twenty four and
Speaker 2: eighty eight, a seventy two percent win rate. Cleveland before
Speaker 2: when he returned, they were ninety seven and two fifteen.
Speaker 2: They won thirty one percent of their games, and his
Speaker 2: four years there they went to four NBA finals. They
Speaker 2: won one of those NBA finals, and they were two
Speaker 2: eleven and one seventeen a sixty four percent win rate.
Speaker 2: The eight years before Lebron got there there was two
Speaker 2: sixty nine and three seventy one. They won forty two
Speaker 2: percent of their games, and the eight years with Lebron
Speaker 2: there three fifty seven and two seventy eight. That's fifty
Speaker 2: six percent win rate. So overall, before he arrived at
Speaker 2: your franchise, you're winning about forty percent of your game.
Speaker 2: Once he's there, you win about sixty two percent of
Speaker 2: your games. So basically that's a twenty two percent increase.
Speaker 2: Now and people like, oh, Lebron ain't do nothing? Eight
Speaker 2: years in Milwaukee? How many championships does the Johannis have,
Speaker 2: Joe one?
Speaker 1: How many NBA Finals had he gone to one? Right?
Speaker 1: Go on, he's finals MVP in eight years in Denver?
Speaker 1: How many championships have Yo? Get one? Joe one? Interesting?
Speaker 1: Now one got now? Joannis is deemed successful? Yo? Get you?
Speaker 1: Deem successful? Only one? O, Joe?
Speaker 2: With the same amount of championships, Yeah, a finals MVP,
Speaker 2: only one is deemed unsuccessful.
Speaker 1: You see how they did that, Joe? O Joe? You see, Joe,
Speaker 1: I don't like you. You can't do enough good to
Speaker 1: make me.
Speaker 2: Like it, Yes, sir, Hello, Hello, But if I do,
Speaker 2: you can't do enough wrong to make me dislike you.
Speaker 1: We see that going around. We don't get political here,
Speaker 1: but we see what's going on. You see what I
Speaker 1: do it?
Speaker 2: O Joe.
Speaker 1: I'm with you when you're right.
Speaker 2: Hey, Hey, and you watched a lot of mad locks. Hey,
Speaker 2: and never my guy Matt lie se Ironside. I don't
Speaker 2: know if y'all remember Raymond Burr Ironside. He was in
Speaker 2: a wheelchair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, mad Lock. Heat of the night, what nobody?
Speaker 1: Heat of the night? What come on? Oh, Joe?
Speaker 4: Might I used to watch Heat of the Night man.
Speaker 2: Come on, hey, Joe, let me give you. I want
Speaker 2: to give the Lakers fans and all these Lakers. Now,
Speaker 2: this is what the Lakers record was. In twenty thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 2: there was twenty seven and fifty five. They didn't go
Speaker 2: to the playoffs. The next year there was twenty one
Speaker 2: and sixty one. They didn't go to the playoffs. The
Speaker 2: next year that was seventeen and sixty five. They ain't
Speaker 2: going to the playoffs the year and in twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: when Lebron jays check took off the NBA championship, there
Speaker 2: was twenty six and fifty six.
Speaker 1: But boy, the Lakers were bad. Boy. People couldn't wait
Speaker 1: to see the Lakers.
Speaker 2: In La winning them americagan on. You do realize in
Speaker 2: that timeframe they got brandon Ingram, they got a Lonzo Ball,
Speaker 2: they got jew Ramdo now, how in the world would
Speaker 2: you be able to get the number two pick in
Speaker 2: the draft if you win.
Speaker 1: If if you in the playoffs, how is that possible?
Speaker 4: How do you get.
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball if you in the playoffs?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Something?
Speaker 2: My grandt used to say it all the time, o't yoe?
Speaker 2: Something in the milk can't clean. But I'll let y'all
Speaker 2: keep on talking. But I hold on, ain't no way Kobe,
Speaker 2: God count Kobe go. But that give me Kobe and
Speaker 2: pull up Kobe's last eight years. I only see how
Speaker 2: mean the NBA. How many times I see what he did.
Speaker 1: Last day. That's all we wanted.
Speaker 2: Last eight We just go get you the little comparing
Speaker 2: and contrasting. Because I tweeted something in twenty twelve that
Speaker 2: I said Lebron, Kobe and Jordan were the greatest players
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, and if somebody, somebody retweeted it, I say,
Speaker 2: but you know full NBA titles, four Finals, MVP, yeah, seven,
Speaker 2: all the NBA selection And I said, my mind changed.
Speaker 1: I thought this was the girl for me, Joe, but
Speaker 1: after she left behind Drvet, I changed my mind. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but people make it see that you can't have it.
Speaker 1: You can't change your mind.
Speaker 2: So once you say something, I'm sure at some point
Speaker 2: in time you probably by the thought this football player.
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot of people say with Joe Montello
Speaker 2: was the greatest quarterback of John Lway or Dan Marino
Speaker 2: was the greatest quarterback, Peyton Manning and then here come
Speaker 2: this kid that wentness sixth round from Michigan. I'm sure
Speaker 2: at some point in time somebody said this guy was
Speaker 2: the best defensive player. Whether it was Merlin Olson, whether
Speaker 2: it was Deacon Jones, it was Bob Lily, Randy White.
Speaker 1: Mean Joe.
Speaker 2: But then this kid out of North Carolina came along
Speaker 2: and fifty six on his back. And I'm sure that
Speaker 2: the corners they probably said, well.
Speaker 1: Dick Knight, train Lane. Nah, it was Lester Hayes, Mail Blunt,
Speaker 1: Ken Riley.
Speaker 4: Ken, what do you know about Ken Riley?
Speaker 1: It was Kenny f So this then this little kid,
Speaker 1: skinny kid from family from four.
Speaker 5: Miles Kim Riley, Fam You rattler, m M.
Speaker 4: You don't know no man, And you know Ken Riley
Speaker 4: A Joe Kim Riley the only bangal in the Hall
Speaker 4: of Fame with Anthony Munos.
Speaker 2: Oh really, Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: He don't get enough. He don't get enough credit, man,
Speaker 4: No credit. Boy. He was good boy.
Speaker 2: I learned something new every day. We're gonna start over
Speaker 2: last year. Last year, Cobe retired at thirty seven years
Speaker 2: of age. He averaged seventeen points three. We're getting four rebounds,
Speaker 2: three assists, twenty fourteen, at thirty six, he was twenty
Speaker 2: two six rebounds, six assists. In twenty thirteen fourteen, he
Speaker 2: was thirty five. He averaged fourteen points, four rebounds, six
Speaker 2: assists at twenty twelve thirteen, at thirty four, he was
Speaker 2: twenty seven, six and six. At twenty eleven twelve, he
Speaker 2: was thirty three. He averaged twenty eight, five and five
Speaker 2: at ten, twenty ten, twenty eleven, he was twenty five,
Speaker 2: five and five. He shot forty five percent in twenty ten.
Speaker 2: He shot forty three percent in twenty eleven, He shot
Speaker 2: forty six percent in twenty twelve, He shot forty two
Speaker 2: percent in twenty thirteen, thirty seven percent in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: thirty six percent in twenty fifteen. Run me Bron's rum
Speaker 2: me bron. Because we like to do context, yo, it
Speaker 2: won't be fair, oh Joe. We gotta provide content, Yes, yes, sir, yes, Michael.
Speaker 4: Listen, because you can't argue points and facts without context.
Speaker 4: And most of the time today, especially for you, you know,
Speaker 4: you know you want to be faction. You want to
Speaker 4: have you want to have the facts and the status
Speaker 4: of support whatever it is you're trying to get across.
Speaker 2: Because see, I think this ain't Michael Beasley told he
Speaker 2: told us, He said, man, you judging by decisions, but
Speaker 2: you didn't know the choices that I had. I want
Speaker 2: to provide a little context for you, because I know
Speaker 2: y'all like context. I gotta give you why I said
Speaker 2: something or why this cause you know, y'all, y'all, y'all
Speaker 2: told me Kobe was still that apex predator.
Speaker 1: That's what y'all told me. That's what lation told. Sow
Speaker 1: what you told me.
Speaker 2: Oh we know Lebron numbers. No, we don't know, Jo
Speaker 2: Jo Joe. Don't surprise it. Don't surprise it. Don't spoil
Speaker 2: the surprise.
Speaker 4: Hey, I got a question before you read our Bbron
Speaker 4: numbers during those times where Kobe numbers were what they were,
Speaker 4: was he injured during that time?
Speaker 1: Whoa? Whoa?
Speaker 2: What? Hold on all, I'm said the man thirty five,
Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven, Mike got forty or so you go.
Speaker 4: You're gonna compare. You're gonna compare the numbers based on
Speaker 4: age at the same time, hard aunt Lebron.
Speaker 2: Remember Lebron did start the season. Lebron got hurt. Remember
Speaker 2: you miss the first fifteen games.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yes, sir, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he did what he did when he got
Speaker 2: to the Lakers twenty seven, eight and a half eight.
Speaker 2: Do you realize there have only been four players to
Speaker 2: average that the old kind of up I think it was.
Speaker 2: I think Oscar did it. I think Jordan did it,
Speaker 2: Russ did it, and Harden did it. But all of
Speaker 2: those guys did it before they turned thirty. He did
Speaker 2: it at thirty two thirty three. These guys were doing
Speaker 2: it at twenty five twenty six. So what guys was
Speaker 2: doing at twenty five twenty six, goach James was doing
Speaker 2: at thirty two thirty three. Then the second year he
Speaker 2: was twenty five, eight and ten championship, and then he
Speaker 2: went twenty five, eight and eight, thirty eight and six,
Speaker 2: twenty nine, eight and seven, twenty six, seven and eight.
Speaker 2: Last year moving to the second option with Luca there,
Speaker 2: he gave your robust twenty four what was it, twenty
Speaker 2: four eight and seven, and then this year, yeah, he
Speaker 2: gave he ain't give you up a little get a
Speaker 2: little twenty four spot at the second option to Luca,
Speaker 2: he gave you twenty four, eight and eight, and then
Speaker 2: this year at the third option twenty one six seven,
Speaker 2: shooting fifty percent, basically fifty two percent from the floor.
Speaker 2: Has he ever shot less than fifty percent when he
Speaker 2: put the Lakers? Hm?
Speaker 1: Hm, he's shot forty.
Speaker 2: Okay the year they won the championship, So his second
Speaker 2: year there, when he averaged twenty five eight and ten,
Speaker 2: he shot forty nine point three percent. Other than that, Joe,
Speaker 2: he's never shot less than fifty percent from the Lakers.
Speaker 3: Hey, I don't think people understand how tough that is
Speaker 3: to do, like to be that efficient, especially as you
Speaker 3: get up in age. Bro, the man forty one years old,
Speaker 3: what he shot this year fifty one percent? I think
Speaker 3: fifty one point five? Bro, that's that's I guarantee. Is
Speaker 3: nobody's there done that?
Speaker 1: He can't do enough good.
Speaker 2: If you walk on water, people say, the only reason
Speaker 2: he's walking, God, he can't swim. If he could swim,
Speaker 2: he would swim in the water. He wouldn't walk. You
Speaker 2: your cancel? They say, what about diabetes? O choke?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right?
Speaker 4: And you know the funny thing is about this conversation. Yes,
Speaker 4: and you think about what Kobe means to La Yes,
Speaker 4: you think about what Kobe means for the Lakers. What
Speaker 4: he's done for that franchise. You know, from the time
Speaker 4: he got there, you know, yes to the time to
Speaker 4: hiss untimely demise, Yes, despite what he looked like towards
Speaker 4: the end of his career. I don't think there's anybody
Speaker 4: that can come to the Lakers and unsee what Kobe did.
Speaker 4: Just get to just no matter what, even with you
Speaker 4: reading off the stats, even if you even what you
Speaker 4: reading off the facts, Yes, and how great Lebron has
Speaker 4: been for them. Those are the Kobe fans and those
Speaker 4: that appreciate what Kobe has done for them. Nothing, nothing
Speaker 4: will unseat how they feel about that man. So when
Speaker 4: the conversation to I understand.
Speaker 2: That'll be the equivalent of all of a sudden Chase,
Speaker 2: Chase gonna have better numbers than you. But that don't
Speaker 2: take away from what you did. Nor is Chase trying
Speaker 2: to erase what you did. See what people here is
Speaker 2: the problem that you're running into Ojoe and Joe correct
Speaker 2: mean from when you step in at any point, because
Speaker 2: because it was Kobe and Lebron for the longest.
Speaker 1: Period of time. Yeah, I can't get past that.
Speaker 2: You trying to come make us forget about Kobe you
Speaker 2: trying to erase Kobe's legacy, although Kobe's legacy.
Speaker 1: Is is enriched in my rush. But people get in.
Speaker 1: I can't, I can't. Kobe is Kobe hey.
Speaker 2: No matter how you slice it, Kobe is a top
Speaker 2: three laker all time, no matter how you slice it.
Speaker 2: Some people say Kobe, some people say magic, some people
Speaker 2: might slock Korean. But however you slice it, he ain't
Speaker 2: getting out of the top three. There have been some
Speaker 2: other greats. You got Elgin Baylor, you got Will Chamberlain,
Speaker 2: you got Jered Wes, you got James Worthy, you got
Speaker 2: mic and you got a Lebron.
Speaker 1: Kobe ain't getting out of the top three. And that's okay.
Speaker 2: It's okay to say, Man, Kobe is great, but Lebron
Speaker 2: is a bad It's almost like if I say Lebron
Speaker 2: is bad, I'm saying Kobe ain't no good. See, that's
Speaker 2: what the problem Joe o Jo. It's like if I say,
Speaker 2: if I say man Tyo was a bad.
Speaker 1: Boy, what about o Jo? O Jo was great too?
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tyo.
Speaker 2: If I say Jered is good, Oh you don't like
Speaker 2: most many Man, You know what I love?
Speaker 1: You know what I love in the morning on my
Speaker 1: sirio Jo bananas.
Speaker 2: Why you don't put blueberries on himberries?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I I'm highlighted.
Speaker 2: I like bananas.
Speaker 1: You can like what you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But to say I hate Lebron and he ain't
Speaker 2: been good for the Lakers, you're not being just you're
Speaker 2: being disingenuous. Okay, thanks Franks.
Speaker 3: I think and when you think about it, the fact
Speaker 3: that Cob that was the only team that Cob ever
Speaker 3: played for was the Lakers. You know what I mean,
Speaker 3: he won what five tightles, and you know, yeah, they
Speaker 3: have had a disdain for Lebron over his head when
Speaker 3: he won the Laker. When you won the Laker and
Speaker 3: you come playing against Kobe and y'all a mono, Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, they had a form. And the fact that
Speaker 3: he's probably moved around to a few different different franchises
Speaker 3: and left his stain, you know, I mean, they embraced him,
Speaker 3: don't get me wrong, but but yeah, they would never
Speaker 3: put him over Kobe.
Speaker 2: Nor should they. And he didn't go there to try
Speaker 2: to be He wanted to go touse thig about it.
Speaker 2: We just read off what they were before he got there, right,
Speaker 2: They was winning seventeen games. Oh, Joe, twenty seven games.
Speaker 2: You was damn near getting the lot. You was damnar
Speaker 2: getting the number one overall pick. It's okay. I like Kobe.
Speaker 2: I love Kobe too. Yeah, Kobe and Bron were my
Speaker 2: two favorite players. Kobe was my favorite player before Lebron.
Speaker 1: Burn.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is from DC, Prince George County. He knew about
Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. I ain't know nothing about Kevin Durant. He said,
Speaker 2: let me tell hey, Sean, let me tell you what
Speaker 2: I do. I'll get Hey. I'll give you Lebron if
Speaker 2: you let me get Kevin Durant because it was my
Speaker 2: turn to take the next grand player coming out of college.
Speaker 2: So it was my turn to get KD. He wanted
Speaker 2: KD because KD was from his neck of the woods.
Speaker 2: I already had Kobe. I go on, you gonna give
Speaker 2: me Lebron and I still got Kobe for Kevin Durant.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I jumped on that with both feet. Oh, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 2: I jump with both fee.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got one in the east and one of the webs,
Speaker 2: And all you want is Kevin Durant. Man, Please got it?
Speaker 2: You remember you remember the uh they was thought they
Speaker 2: was going to the finals, and and uh Lebron averaged
Speaker 2: thirty eight eight and eight and Orlando put him out.
Speaker 2: You remember the half Muppet series with Kobe and Lebron.
Speaker 2: I got the yeah shirt. Now, y'all know how long
Speaker 2: ago they being. That's been what twenty eighten, I still
Speaker 2: got the T shirt sixteen years later with Lebron and
Speaker 2: Kobe the Puppets on it. Y'all remember the commercial used
Speaker 2: to have on and Kobe be going crazing. Lebron said,
Speaker 2: come on, Kobe man, stop? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I used to like them.
Speaker 1: You can you could. Look, I can love a player,
Speaker 1: but I ain't gonna hate the man. Look what I
Speaker 1: look like? Hate what? Oh yo look like? Hating somebody?
Speaker 2: Oh? Your private example you could have. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think it helped because you and t O was best
Speaker 2: friends before he ever arrived in Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But if somebody came and they trying to help you
Speaker 2: win a championship, man, no wady say, Man, I don't
Speaker 2: know why.
Speaker 1: He came here.
Speaker 2: We got I Gotjo can still be y'all got, but
Speaker 2: I'm trying to help. Oo want me to come help
Speaker 2: him get a championship.
Speaker 4: Hey yeah, hey, hey, Joe was stood on that table.
Speaker 4: I was in Mike run office. I told Marvin Man,
Speaker 4: go get eighty one. I don't care what you got
Speaker 4: to do. I don't care what man, go get eighty one. Boy, boy,
Speaker 4: I'm about that was that was such a joy. I
Speaker 4: was like a little kid in the candy store. Joe,
Speaker 4: just normal dog was coming to play with me. I'm
Speaker 4: getting ready to be able to play with one of
Speaker 4: the best in the world, Joe. I'm till about top
Speaker 4: three all time. Joe say, yeah, oh hell, I told
Speaker 4: I told him to get that.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 4: I ain't got no problem being Robbin the Batman. Oh
Speaker 4: I'm taking the back seat, Joe.
Speaker 2: Absolutely think about that what o Cho had done for
Speaker 2: that organization. At that point in time. Ocho was the
Speaker 2: best receiver. I joke with him, and you know, talk
Speaker 2: about Downtown Freddy Brown or I about I Curtis h
Speaker 2: Yeah Green, aj Green, you had Slim Pickings.
Speaker 1: I was in there with Slim Pickets. Was was the best.
Speaker 1: And for him say you know what, I slide the
Speaker 1: number two? Yeah quick? After six Pro Bowls in a
Speaker 1: ten year span, all Pro the leading receiver. It ain't
Speaker 1: many guys gonna.
Speaker 4: Hey, Joe, I understood what was coming, Joe. I understood
Speaker 4: what was coming into that building.
Speaker 2: Boy, you hear me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey was it more of obviously he was your partner,
Speaker 3: But did you look at it like damn, I know
Speaker 3: he's gonna take a lot of pressure.
Speaker 4: No, no, no no, because I didn't see it as pressure.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get mine regardless. I understood. I understood what
Speaker 4: that dynamic, how he could come help us and elevate
Speaker 4: us offensively. I understood what he could do in the
Speaker 4: slot on the our side. And then not only that,
Speaker 4: they were always playing design for me and Joe. When
Speaker 4: I played, I didn't need a whole bunch of volume catches.
Speaker 4: All I needed was folk four or five catches the game, Joe,
Speaker 4: I'm getting off. I wasn't doing that all looking bowl
Speaker 4: screens and you know, slam round Joe. I'm running. I'm
Speaker 4: running rounds. I need you by that balls. I'm over
Speaker 4: one hundred.
Speaker 1: Hey a.
Speaker 3: But nowadays you'll be running a little bubbay.
Speaker 4: Joe.
Speaker 1: That makes that Joe, Joe want to get down the field.
Speaker 4: Hey, you heard your a Joe line, Joe. That that
Speaker 4: makes me uncomfortable. Yeah that I need to know. I
Speaker 4: need to be running around when you heard me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when they run their bubble, you gotta have some wiggle.
Speaker 4: I got wiggle, Joe. But I don't want to wiggle
Speaker 4: where everybody in front of me. I want to know
Speaker 4: where everybody's gonna be at while I'm running. You get
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That side impact is that collision?
Speaker 2: Cause you got to realize I catch this, I'm coming
Speaker 2: inside hiccup DT here come in, he comes line middle
Speaker 2: middle backer.
Speaker 4: I don't want none of that, Joe. And you know what,
Speaker 4: and I and I could be I could be honest,
Speaker 4: Joe that that's not my strength with the ball in
Speaker 4: my hands, that ain't my goddamn strength. I can't do
Speaker 4: what Chase do He bouncing off tackles and bounced off
Speaker 4: flying back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that ain't me. I want to catch the ball,
Speaker 2: beat the corner. I run the safety man, I said
Speaker 2: of the d N in the middle, back.
Speaker 1: Of the safety corner of I don't want no.
Speaker 2: I don't want no part of that.
Speaker 1: Heir the tweet. Joe heard the tweet that they've been
Speaker 1: digging up.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me say look at the date when I
Speaker 2: tweeted that the greatest basketball players of all time, God, Air, Jordan,
Speaker 2: Kobe in that order.
Speaker 1: Hey, look at the date on that. Joe, Yeah, eleven,
Speaker 1: two thousand.
Speaker 2: Okay, tell the people, oh Joe, Tell the people what
Speaker 2: happened in twenty In June of twenty twelve that year
Speaker 2: in Miami,