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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for Spider Man Across the

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Speaker 1: Spiders and some minor spoilers four Into the Spider Verse. Hello,

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Speaker 1: my name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Knight and

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Speaker 1: welcome next Revision the crook Good Media Podcast. We dive

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Speaker 1: deep to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the Airlock, we're traveling across the

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Speaker 2: Spider Us.

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Speaker 3: We've seen it, it's incredible.

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Speaker 2: We will be talking about it, and in the Hive

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Speaker 2: Mind we will be interviewing one of the Across the

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Speaker 2: Spider Us co directors, Kemp Powers, in an absolutely delightful chat.

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Speaker 2: And our note out comes from Amy on the YA

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Speaker 2: series The Lunar Chronicles.

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Speaker 1: Coming up a non spoiler and then spoiler discussion of

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Speaker 1: Across the Spider Verse. We're setting out of the air

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Speaker 1: locked to talk about Spider Man Across the Spider Verse

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Speaker 1: reniv R Non spoiler reaction. Then we're going to dig

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Speaker 1: into the plot and what we thought of the movie.

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Speaker 1: Here we go. Here's the non spoiler reaction. Absolute masterpiece.

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Speaker 2: Five modern classic changes the game again. One of the

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Speaker 2: things I wrote this on my lab box review was

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Speaker 2: like which I usually just write jokes on there, but

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Speaker 2: I wrote like a three paragraph review. It's absolutely delicious

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Speaker 2: to me that every studio is basically spent in the

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Speaker 2: last five years trying to copy what they did and

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Speaker 2: into the Spider Verse, and then across the Spider Verse

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Speaker 2: came out and did something completely different, Like animation wise,

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Speaker 2: it is absolutely mind blowing. From the opening ten minutes,

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Speaker 2: you know you're in for something completely special, and then

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Speaker 2: you add to it that it introduces characters who I

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Speaker 2: would say will become even more iconic than Penny Parker,

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Speaker 2: Spider Noir, Spider Ham. These characters we got in the

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Speaker 2: first movie. You get Spider Punk, you get you know,

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Speaker 2: Spider By, you get Spider Man India. There's so many

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Speaker 2: brilliant characters, and all of that happens. It's funny, but

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Speaker 2: also it's still about Miles and this journey, and it's

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Speaker 2: so emotional and if you love the first movie, I

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Speaker 2: it blew my mind. I was not I knew I

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Speaker 2: was gonna really love it, but I didn't really know

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Speaker 2: how much of an impact it would have on me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you said the exactly the right thing.

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Speaker 1: If you loved the first movie, that combination of high

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Speaker 1: flying action, really funny, legitimately funny jokes, and a incredibly

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Speaker 1: moving story with crazy high stakes. Considering you're looking, you're

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Speaker 1: watching an animated Spider Man film. It's all there again,

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Speaker 1: just heightened and in a different way. The emotional beats

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Speaker 1: are heartbreaking. This film brings Miles to a place where

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Speaker 1: he has to make an incredibly almost impossible decision, and

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Speaker 1: I didn't think that anything could top for like my

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Speaker 1: breath catching in my chest. The moment where into the

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Speaker 1: Spider Verse where Miles is, you know, he gets his

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Speaker 1: new costume and he's figuring out like how to be

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Speaker 1: Spider Man, you know, and he jumps off, of course,

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Speaker 1: the Chrysler building and his head pitched all the way

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Speaker 1: That moment is jaw dropping, and across the Spider Verse

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Speaker 3: How crazy is that?

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Speaker 2: Like you you bring up such a good point immediately,

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Speaker 2: change your perception of mad movie can be and what

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Speaker 2: comic books and comic creators, which is something we talk

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Speaker 2: so beautiful they make you cry. I remember the first

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Speaker 2: time I saw the Lego movie. I knew nothing about it.

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Speaker 2: Like this is making this is beautiful, this is stunning.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it. And this movie did that to

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Speaker 2: me so many times. So many different art styles, so

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. See it. We have discovered from our

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Speaker 1: Absolutely see it in Imax because it will melt your eyeballs.

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Speaker 1: You just feel like you're in the film.

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Speaker 2: You feel like you're in the film, you feel like

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Speaker 2: you're in a comic book, you feel like you're in

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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: Go see it.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the spoiler film discussion of Across the Spiders. Spoilers.

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Speaker 3: What a film.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me so when I saw Into the Spider verse.

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Speaker 1: It blew me back in my seat, not necessarily because

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Speaker 2: You never expect it. This is your hero, It's Spider Man.

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Speaker 2: It feels like a film that truly understands the possibilities

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Speaker 1: You know, it strikes me listening to you say that.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the things that makes the multiverse

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Speaker 2: And not just with somebody who you might have a

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Speaker 2: He's competent, he can do it. He is Brooklyn Spider Man.

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Speaker 2: There is no question anymore. He's not a scrawny kid,

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Speaker 2: The movies that feel most like they were adapted from

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Speaker 1: this run across the city, and it's like it makes

438
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Speaker 1: you It's that feeling again of being a kid and

439
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: picking up a comic book and being like, I wish

440
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Speaker 1: I could do that, Yeah.

441
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Speaker 3: And you feel like you're getting to do it.

442
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Speaker 2: And that also leads to one of the moments that

443
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Speaker 2: I think is so astounding visually where they end up

444
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Speaker 2: on the top of a toll.

445
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Speaker 1: Building, yeah, the Williamsburg Life Insurance Yeah.

446
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Speaker 2: And then essentially walks around the side of the building

447
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 2: to the underneath and webs herself so she can sit

448
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: on the bottom of the building upside down. But the

449
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: scope and scale it gives you like wobbly knees when

450
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 2: you're watching it, you feel like you're up there with her.

451
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: The way that they use camera angles in this movie

452
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Speaker 2: to showcase the landscapes, the work, like Kemp said, the

453
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: thousand plus people who worked on this movie for four

454
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: years to make it come to life, you feel every

455
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: single second of that work on the screen. Because there

456
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: are so many different personalities who obviously brought this to life.

457
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: There's so many different jokes. You know, whoever put Spider

458
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: Cat in there, I know that was a very specific

459
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: person who wanted that joke in. But I also know

460
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Speaker 2: that whoever did a certain shot of you know, the

461
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: bodego or the guy who's running the bodego who Miles

462
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: helps save from the villain of the movie, ostensibly the

463
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: villain of the movie the Spot, who is just totally wild,

464
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: and I did not see the way that they took

465
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Speaker 2: that character.

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Speaker 1: I love we talk about this with camp, how this

467
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: movie and its predecessor poked fun at its characters in

468
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: really great ways. It does that with the Spot, where

469
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 1: it's like, this guy's a villain of the week. I

470
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: mean in the comics, literally literally, this is a throwaway

471
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Speaker 1: first three pages.

472
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Speaker 4: Of it.

473
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 2: Weird, like you know, that is a character where you're

474
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: just like, who came up with that? Oh no, And

475
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, two of the greatest, like al

476
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 2: Milgrim and Herb Trimpy, like, but it's this weird, negative space, fun, strange,

477
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: throwaway character and that is exactly what the movie knows.

478
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: So Miles treats him that way and that ends up.

479
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: Causing more chaos than you can imagine.

480
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Speaker 2: I also love that the movie is so in conversation

481
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: with the audience, not just as comic book readers but

482
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 2: say you've never read.

483
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Speaker 3: A comic, which I don't believe.

484
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Speaker 2: If you watched the first movie, I assume you probably

485
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: were inspired to read a comic, But say you didn't.

486
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,479
Speaker 2: There will be moments you remember, Remember when Miles hit

487
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Speaker 2: a guy with a bagel and they put a sound effect,

488
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: but you just said iconic became like a huge meme, became

489
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: such a memorable moment that ends up becoming a cannon

490
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Speaker 2: altering event for Miles and for the spot and for

491
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 2: the people involved. There is so much fun to be

492
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: had with the film. Reacting to what the audience loved

493
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: about the first film, it's absolutely delightful.

494
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Speaker 1: One more emotional beat that really stuck with me because

495
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Speaker 1: it just rang so true, and it's part of why

496
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: this movie's just great and it feels so lived in

497
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: and real is. It gave you a depiction of that

498
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: really like landmark life event that I think everybody has,

499
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: which is the moment that a parent lets you break

500
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: the rules. That is the moment when a parent is like, Okay,

501
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,959
Speaker 1: I see that you really want this thing, and I

502
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: understand who you are I think as a person.

503
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 3: And I feel like we've had a connection.

504
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: And you know what, go ahead.

505
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you the trust.

506
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead. Like, I know I grounded you, but

507
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: you're ungrounded, right. I know, I know your dad or

508
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 1: your mom said this, but I'm saying this, go do it.

509
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 1: And that is like such a huge moment in every

510
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 1: kid's life. And it gives you that moment in this

511
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: movie and it just gives you chills.

512
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 2: It's so good that ability to balance the family aspects

513
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: that made this movie so beloved in the first film,

514
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 2: and to extrapolate and expand the universe in this completely

515
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: wild way. I mean, we get an entire lego sequence

516
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: that you will learn a very cool fact about from

517
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 2: Kemp when you listen.

518
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 3: So stay tuned. But like, that is one of the

519
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 3: funniest moments in the movie.

520
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: It wasn't even in it until after the trailer was out.

521
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to posit this.

522
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: I know we have a lot of people who listen

523
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: to this podcast who even if they haven't seen it,

524
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 2: they still listen to the spoilers. I'm going to say,

525
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: don't listen to this next book.

526
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: I need to get it out there. I need to

527
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 3: get out there extra spoilers. Do not listen. This is

528
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 3: about the last five minutes of the movie.

529
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: People who haven't seen the movie in the room, put

530
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: your fingers, earmuffs your ears.

531
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Speaker 3: But like I have to say it, so the movie.

532
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: The movie ends by Miles attempting to get back to

533
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: his own universe, and I think it's going to be

534
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: an empire level ending for a lot of kids because

535
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: he ends up in the wrong universe because of a

536
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 2: spider that bit him. He meets an oult universe version

537
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,239
Speaker 2: of himself who is in that universe the Prower. It

538
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: is one of the most heart wrenching, incredible, brilliant choices

539
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: that absolutely gut punched me. They did a great job,

540
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: but the trailers and did't see it coming. I have

541
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: to posit a theory.

542
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 3: This is what I mean.

543
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: I'm here to reassure your kids. I'm here to reassure you,

544
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: and I'm here to tell you that that is not

545
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: what you think it's going to be. I think in

546
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: that universe, Spider Man was never supposed to exist because

547
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: Miles would always have been the Prower, and the Prowler

548
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: is not a villain. The Parallel is a vigilante that

549
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: they need, and I think that that is not going

550
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 2: to be the villainous expectation. In the comics, the Prowler

551
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: is more of an anti hero vigilante who has a

552
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: brutal twist. And I think in that universe that is

553
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,879
Speaker 2: the hero that they need, and that is what Miles

554
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: was always supposed to be. I believe that it is

555
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: not the villainous turn people think, and I think that's

556
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: that's my theory.

557
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 3: But I had to put it out there because I know.

558
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: I had to text my sister and I said, warn

559
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 2: my nephew that the ending's going to scare him. But

560
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: I can explain what's going to happen because I don't

561
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: believe it's as clear cut as people.

562
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: I love that take, and we're gonna have to wait

563
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: till March to find out if you're right. Up next,

564
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: stay tuned for Kemp Powers.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Hive Mind, where we explore a topic

566
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Speaker 2: in more detail with an expert guest. This episode we

567
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Speaker 2: are thrilled to welcome are truly great Across the Spider

568
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Speaker 2: Verse expert co director Kemp Powers, playwright, writer, and as

569
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Speaker 2: we just mentioned, co director of the unbelievable New Across

570
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Speaker 2: the Spider Verse. Now warning, this does contain spoilers. I

571
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: would say they are quite vague, but if you want

572
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: to stay fully spoiler free, I would skip this until

573
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: you've seen the movie.

574
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 3: Go see it. Go see it on the biggest screen possible.

575
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Speaker 1: Kemp Power's welcome next re Vision.

576
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me. Good to be here. I'm

577
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: a little tired, but I'm going to give it my best.

578
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: So the premiere was last night.

579
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Speaker 5: It was, and then there was the after party.

580
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Speaker 1: Oh man, Well, so I hope y'all really parted. Yeah,

581
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: because across the Spider Verse is a masterpiece.

582
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Speaker 3: I know, it was absolutely no question. We would just

583
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 3: it blew our minds.

584
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Speaker 5: I'm so happy to hear that.

585
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Speaker 6: I mean, we you work in these bubbles for so

586
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: many years and you kind of come out of your cave.

587
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 6: And I was talking to another one of the I

588
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 6: was talking to the to the writer, like we got

589
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 6: we were getting drunk, and it was just like at

590
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 6: a certain point, you don't even know what's good or bad. Yeah,

591
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 6: I just hope that it is, but you just you're

592
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 6: you're so passionate about it, you know what I mean.

593
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 6: So it was such a relief to finally just like

594
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 6: see it with an audience and hear people's real time

595
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 6: reaction actions it was it meant a lot.

596
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Speaker 1: It is incredible, and I mean, and so in the

597
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: in the most positive way. People were like not mad

598
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: when it was over, but like it had propelled everyone

599
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: to the end with such rapidity. I didn't even know

600
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Speaker 1: how much time it's passed. And when it gets to

601
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Speaker 1: the break where you realize it's over, it was just like, what,

602
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Speaker 1: I'm ready to sit here for another couple hours. It's

603
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: so energetic, so visceral. It shouldn't be as funny and

604
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: as an emotion as emotional as it is, and it's

605
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Speaker 1: just fantastic. It's wonderful. It really conveys the visceral feeling

606
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Speaker 1: of what it must be like to watch people have

607
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Speaker 1: these powers and to use them in such a masterful way.

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Speaker 6: It's beautiful, and I mean, of course, I mean, I

609
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 6: know when you have a I mean, even though we

610
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 6: told everyone in your first yeah three, you know when

611
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 6: you when you decide to have a cliffhanger, it's going

612
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 6: to be divisive, and that's okay. It's okay for some

613
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 6: people to love it, it's okay for some people to

614
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 6: not be cool about it, but without spoiling the ending,

615
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Speaker 6: I was a big believer in that ending because of

616
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: the idea of introducing a new problem.

617
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: Yes, so as opposed to like, this is all that's.

618
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 6: Happened, and now we're going to go into It's like, no,

619
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 6: at the last minute, let's introduce a new problem so

620
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 6: that the audience doesn't necessarily know how it's all going

621
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 6: to be figured out. It's not as simple as this

622
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 6: person is in a jail cell. So the next movie,

623
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 6: we're going to break that person out of a jail.

624
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

625
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 6: I wanted to compl you know, I think it's important

626
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 6: to kind of complicate it a little bit. Audiences are

627
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 6: incredibly smart. We do what we can to try to

628
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: stay at least a step ahead if we can. And

629
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Speaker 6: I'm the worst audience member, Like I can't watch movies

630
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 6: with family members because I'm so used to story math

631
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 6: that I'll sit there and watch a movie and say

632
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 6: everything that's going to happen.

633
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 5: Just so, and it's like I'm trying to outsmart me.

634
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 3: I will say I did not.

635
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: I have that very same problem because we watched so

636
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: many movies we write stories ourselves.

637
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: I did not see that big new problem coming.

638
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: And I actually I loved the Cliffanger, and I think

639
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: it was more of a case definitely an our screening

640
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: of people being left wanting more.

641
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: Which is a good thing. Like nobody felt cheated. It

642
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: was more. Everyone I spoke to was like I could

643
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 3: have watched another two hours, like I was ready.

644
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: So I was.

645
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Speaker 2: Speaking outside to a friend of mine, Eric, who's so great.

646
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: He also loved the movie rights over it noticed and

647
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: he made a great comparison that made me get thinking.

648
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: He was like, for a generation of kids, this is

649
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: going to be their Empire, Like, not only did you

650
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: come out and you topped the first movie, but it

651
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 2: leaves it on this kind of not a downer note,

652
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: but there's a complex problem that needs to be solved,

653
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 2: and you've learned something shocking and new. Was that something

654
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Speaker 2: that you were purposefully going into with this movie that

655
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: it was going to be more mature, that was going

656
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Speaker 2: to end and leave we.

657
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: Knew, we knew it was going to be darker, and that's.

658
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, no, kids can kids have grown up with this.

659
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 6: First Star Wars film I saw in a movie theater

660
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 6: because the first Star Wars I was too young, and

661
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 6: so Empire was the first time I saw a Star

662
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 6: Wars film and like, news flash, Luke got his fucking

663
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: arm collage. I was just like, oh ship, you know,

664
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 6: I'm a little kid, like what's going on?

665
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 5: You know?

666
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 6: And I'm talking in the very beginning when his tantong

667
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 6: gets killed and they hang them upside down and Han

668
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 6: cuts the thing open and pulls the guts out. This

669
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 6: is I'm horrified, and this is the most awesome thing ever.

670
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 6: But there were real steaks. And the interesting thing is

671
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 6: our film is so much darker to a lot of people,

672
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 6: but the first film, like a lot of people.

673
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Got killed, Spider Man dies.

674
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 6: Because the darkness comes from I think real steaks in

675
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 6: real menace. I really think that that's and that's a

676
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 6: that's a difficult thing I think to accomplish these days,

677
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 6: a real sense of steaks. I mean, the wonderful thing

678
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 6: that the very comics that inspire us to do this.

679
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 6: One of the problems with comics is that there's no stakes.

680
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: In nobody you know.

681
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 5: The canon.

682
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 6: So you find out a care and you know it's

683
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 6: news now, like the death of Superman. I was one

684
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 6: of those people who best selling comic of all I

685
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 6: got so many different and three months later, guess Who's Back. So,

686
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 6: you know, we were inspired by comics, but this is cinema,

687
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 6: and I think we have a different goal. We we

688
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 6: we were comic fans ourselves. We want comic fans to

689
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 6: to be excited and love it. But we also were filmmakers.

690
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: Man.

691
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 6: We want to try to tell a cinematic story that

692
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 6: feels emotional, that feels personal and human and and has

693
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 6: real stakes, and we feel as they can only be

694
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 6: told through cinema. So yeah, we always knew it was

695
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 6: going to be more mature. I mean one of the

696
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 6: first decisions that was made was aging Miles up, you know,

697
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 6: making him less of an adolescent more of a young adult,

698
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 6: making Miles competent. You know, he ends the first film

699
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 6: just barely getting his sea legs, and we were all

700
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 6: excited by the idea of seeing Miles as the Spider

701
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 6: Man who is responsible for protecting his city and doing

702
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 6: it really well. But then with that maturity, you know,

703
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 6: comes more mature problems. And I think it's I think

704
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 6: it's natural. Plus, you know, kids grew the same kids

705
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 6: who saw the first into the Spider Verse are five

706
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: years old.

707
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: You imagine if you were ten when you saw that

708
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 3: first movie.

709
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 5: And you're fifteen.

710
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 3: Now that just I imagine that is just one of

711
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 3: the most special experiences.

712
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 5: Now, I would hope, so, I would really hope. So.

713
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 6: I mean, of course we do these films for everyone,

714
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 6: but the reality is different. People are going to take

715
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 6: it different ways. And I have a bit of experience

716
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 6: doing this. Soul was a film that a lot of

717
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 6: people are like, did you forget kids are out there?

718
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 6: And it's like no, because they were like, Okay, let's

719
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 6: see all the things kids aren't interested in forty five

720
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 6: year old man.

721
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, like they just like ran down the

722
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 5: list of things.

723
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 7: That like, kids go don't give a shit about, and

724
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 7: we went and made a movie about it, and guess what,

725
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 7: kids got it, you know, and kids enjoy it, enjoyed it,

726
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 7: and thanks to COVID, they had nothing else to watch

727
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 7: on Christmas that year, so they all watched it and

728
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 7: took it and actually came away with something.

729
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 5: So I think people, when we say it's for.

730
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 6: Everyone, that doesn't mean that everyone's going to receive it

731
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 6: exactly the same way.

732
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: And that's okay.

733
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 6: I have friends with little four year olds who would

734
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 6: probably be bouncing out of their seats through the first

735
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 6: half of this film and that's okay too.

736
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, for sure. I think people have an

737
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: idea of what directing a film is like, Well, what

738
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: is directing an animated film like?

739
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 5: It's complex.

740
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 6: I mean, the main thing about animation is that it's

741
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 6: an iterative process. Because of the use of storyboards and scratch,

742
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: we're able to make version after version after version of

743
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 6: the film before we actually animate the thing. So when

744
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 6: you're seeing an animated film like Soul or Across the

745
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 6: Spider Verse, you're seeing like the thirtieth or forty.

746
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 5: Version of the film.

747
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 6: And that iterative process is what makes it take so long.

748
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 6: But with animation you have to kind of it doesn't

749
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 6: necessarily you have a script, but you don't necessarily know

750
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 6: how it works until you start building it. There are

751
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 6: certain things that are similar in certain things that are

752
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 6: very different from live action. One of the biggest differences

753
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 6: working with the voiceover performers is that people are almost

754
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 6: never in the same room. So you have an actor

755
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 6: and they come in and they get a script and

756
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 6: there's no one there, and in many cases there's no

757
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 6: one there the entire process. In many cases, they don't

758
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 6: even know who the other actor is playing the part.

759
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

760
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 6: So it was always funny when you realize that cast

761
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 6: members as we got closer to opening, didn't know who

762
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 6: else was in the movie with characters that they had.

763
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 5: Major scenes with, because they never knew. It was just

764
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 5: me and the.

765
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 6: Booth and Phil or Phil Lord and me and Phil

766
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 6: and me and Chris and we're in the booth and

767
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 6: we're working with these actors, and so you know, you

768
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 6: have to act against nothing or act against you know.

769
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 6: Some times I'll be their scene partner, but I'm not

770
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 6: an actor, so I give them the terrible version of

771
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 6: the line and they just work that way. So that's

772
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: a that's a pretty tremendous difference. Obviously, our sets are

773
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 6: all in.

774
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 5: A computer, you know, like rough layout or layout is.

775
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 6: Like basically the equivalent of building your set with animation,

776
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 6: because you have the two D storyboards and the board

777
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 6: artists really help us get the story solid. But then

778
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 6: when it comes time to build it in three D,

779
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 6: we go into building the set and you quickly discover

780
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 6: the stuff that's been storyboarded doesn't necessarily work in three D.

781
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 6: And that's when you because when it's in three D,

782
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 6: when it's in layout, that's when you start setting your cameras. Yeah,

783
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 6: you know, and we'll often do something like we'll be

784
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 6: in the edit suite and you'll have like a picture

785
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: in picture, so we'll have the layout version with the

786
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 6: two D storyboard version like up in the corner and stuff.

787
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 6: And I don't want to get like technical bore you

788
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 6: to death, but there are certain where we're trying to

789
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 6: do what you do in live action, but a lot

790
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 6: of it is done in a computer of it is

791
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 6: done separately, and then you piece the elements together and

792
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: it takes a long a much longer time than making

793
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: a live action film.

794
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

795
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 2: I was going to say one of the things that

796
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: kind of blew everyone away about the original Into the

797
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 2: Spider Verse. It really changed the game in the way

798
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: people treated and approached animated movies. I mean, every other

799
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: studio is still doing movies that are coming out the

800
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: beginning of this year that everyone's saying, Oh, they're trying

801
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: to do Into the Spider of Us or they were

802
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: impacted by Into Spite of Us.

803
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 3: With Across the Spider Use.

804
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: You kind of blow that up and bring in all

805
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: these different animation styles and go even kind of more

806
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 2: ambitious and out of the box and it.

807
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: Blew us away.

808
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: How does that then come in because you're not just

809
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,760
Speaker 2: trying to make an animated movie. You're making an animated

810
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 2: movie in a way that no one else has really done,

811
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: where you have multiple different universes that all look asthetically

812
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: different but still have to fit into this space and

813
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: tell a human story.

814
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: I mean, I give a lot of credit to I

815
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 6: mean Justin my co directors came Dos Santos and Justin Thompson.

816
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 6: Justin Thompson was actually the production designer in the first

817
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 6: into the Spider Verse. And it's just justin being the

818
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 6: type of guy he is. He just doesn't want to

819
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 6: do the same stuff again. I love you now, it's

820
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 6: just not wanting to like, well that was cool, and

821
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 6: now let's try something different.

822
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 5: Wouldn't it be cool to do this? Can we do that?

823
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 6: Can we put off the folks at Sony Pictures Image

824
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 6: Works like you know, we do a lot of viz

825
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 6: dev It's just we want to we we just we

826
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 6: just want to try new stuff. And and I wouldn't

827
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 6: even say I think it's exciting when people see something

828
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 6: done a little bit differently and it opens them up

829
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 6: to other possibilities because obviously when Pixar did Toy Story,

830
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 6: I mean, look at that transformational change, and to me

831
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 6: it got a little maybe too extreme, because all of

832
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 6: a sudden it was like, no one can do too

833
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 6: d animated anymore. And quietly during that period, some amazing

834
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: Perseis was one of the best animated films I saw.

835
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 6: I lost to Oscar, I think, to a Pixar film.

836
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

837
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 5: So like, it's not like it ever died. It's not,

838
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 5: And that's just it.

839
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Speaker 6: It's just opening people up to using different kinds of

840
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,800
Speaker 6: animation again, but none of it's really gone anywhere because

841
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 6: you know, there's different practitioners. It was funny when I

842
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 6: was at Pixar one of my favorite Pixar shorts came

843
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 6: up there. It was called Kitbull, and it was it

844
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: was just it was unusual and that it was too

845
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 6: d animo, you know. So the director of that particular

846
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 6: short decided that even though she could have done it

847
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 6: three D, she did it two D, and and I

848
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 6: think that that's what we really want. We just want

849
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 6: people to figure out the best expression of it. Whether

850
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 6: Wes Anderson He's done two pretty phenomenal stop motion animated films.

851
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 5: You know that in the past.

852
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 6: So so that's all it is is that, you know,

853
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 6: we want to we we just I hope it just

854
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 6: opens people up to understanding that there's different ways you

855
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 6: can do animation. But I already think that's happening. I

856
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 6: mean Nocchio last year. Yeah, you know, I thought the

857
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 6: Lego movie was another leg When Phil and Chris did that,

858
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 6: I was so excited, you know that we got got

859
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 6: to get a little Lego sequence so.

860
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 5: Much, which wasn't in the film.

861
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys, oh no, we didn't

862
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 3: know that.

863
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 6: That's one of the Okay, when we released our first

864
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 6: teaser trailer for this film, someone recreated the entire trailer

865
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 6: in the Lego Yeah.

866
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: We watched it, watched it. Yeah, I believe a fourteen

867
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: year old kid.

868
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we hired him. He did the Lego sequence in our.

869
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: Movie No way. Yeah, that's like the coolest year old kid.

870
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 6: Actually, we went and tracked him down because we were like,

871
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 6: we should add a Lego sequence to this film.

872
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 5: You have this guy do it.

873
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 6: And we found out that Preston was fourteen in Canada

874
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 6: and we had to work it all out. But yeah,

875
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 6: we added that Lego sequence and Preston the same kid

876
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 6: who did those our teaser he he actually animated.

877
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: That amazing good.

878
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: His teaser trailer is yeah, lighting everything, it's ridiculous. The

879
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: camera moves, it's stupid.

880
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, we gave him notes and

881
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 6: stuff like that, and honestly, I thought that was like

882
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 6: one of my favorite I mean, it was just so

883
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 6: funny to us this idea that like Lego Peter Parker,

884
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 6: you might not notice it, but the first people, yeah,

885
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 6: pops up. And the fact that Miguel says.

886
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: You're he's the only one.

887
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 6: He's actually the only Spider person in the movie. Miguel

888
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 6: compliments being competent.

889
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: Is the Lego and a screening that got such.

890
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 3: A huge everyone.

891
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: Was just and of course immediately everyone's like the Lego movie, which, again,

892
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: like you say, that just totally changed the way people

893
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: were perceiving what could be done with animation.

894
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 5: Yeah.

895
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: One of the things that really struck me watching into

896
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: this morning, after watching Across last night is above and

897
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: beyond what we've talked about with the animation is how

898
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: experimental the backgrounds are, you know, like it could have

899
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: into is very clean. You know, when you see Miles

900
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 1: or Gwen and in an interior setting and the apartment somewhere,

901
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: and you can really make out the background, it looks,

902
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, like a like a comic book page. But

903
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: you're doing so many things with the backgrounds in this movie.

904
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the scene.

905
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 2: With Gwen, Gwen's water.

906
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Color and moving around. What what inspired that?

907
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 6: Well, I mean there's different challenges because think the first one,

908
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 6: you have these different animation styles, but they all come

909
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 6: to one set, and that's Miles's universe. So that's all

910
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: you have to really keep in consideration. With this one,

911
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 6: you have not just the characters from those universes, but

912
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 6: coming to different universes, and we have to think through

913
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,240
Speaker 6: does a character look exactly the same in every universe,

914
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 6: because there's actually subtle differences in how Miles looks in

915
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 6: his universe versus Pavittrus. Yeah, and Gwen's is a great

916
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 6: I mean, hers was inspired by the comic books, which

917
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 6: the Gwen the Spiderwind comic books, which have this amazingash

918
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 6: water color look, and we just took it to a

919
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 6: different level in terms of like, you know, what if

920
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 6: her whole world is basically like a mood. So so like

921
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 6: the inspiration is almost like when you're in when you're

922
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 6: watching a stage play and like a character like needs

923
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 6: a chair and a chair like appears to sit down.

924
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 6: So Gwen's entire world is kind of a reflection of

925
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 6: her mood. And I think you see it, you know,

926
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 6: you see it one way in the beginning of the film,

927
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 6: but then I think you see it even more extremely

928
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 6: when she reconnects with her dad at the end, and

929
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 6: when it goes from hostile to loving, the changes in it.

930
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 5: So it was always meant to be this watercolor mood

931
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: ring and look like.

932
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 6: A painting, and it was. It was one of the

933
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 6: most challenging things to execute. But that's what that's what

934
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 6: vizdev that's what visual development is for. You know, you

935
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 6: spend a year just like experimenting with how we're going

936
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 6: to make this look and how we're going to make

937
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 6: it work. And and you know, knock Wood, you hope

938
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 6: that when it's all said and done, people are positive

939
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 6: about it. And then I mean the even bigger decision

940
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 6: is to open the film with that, because it's such

941
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 6: a visual departure from the first film. So to have

942
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 6: the first, you know, twenty minutes of the movie be

943
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 6: in this world that's like visually people aren't accustomed to.

944
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 6: I think was it was something we talked about a lot,

945
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 6: you know, because we knew it was like, well, are

946
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 6: people going to get with this or not? But it's like,

947
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 6: you know what, considering the journey we're going to take

948
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 6: people on, better to throw them in the deep end

949
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 6: of the ye, you know what I mean and get

950
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 6: them used to something a little bit different and try

951
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 6: to get them to get with this, then spring that

952
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 6: on them a.

953
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 5: Little bit later.

954
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: And I think that opening action, like the opening sequence

955
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: is so stunning because immediately you realize this is a

956
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: different game. Like you said, I mean, there's moments, little

957
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: things logically that I feel a lot of animated movies

958
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't do, Like when Gwen's hair changes color.

959
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 3: Because of the.

960
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: Color, there's a lot of people who say, oh, well,

961
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 2: why would her hair change color?

962
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: Like how does that? But the atmosphere is so there,

963
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: and then.

964
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: You get an unbelievable fight sequence that's like just mind blowing.

965
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: But one of the other things that I just.

966
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: Really I guess you guys have to balance that we

967
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: haven't really seen them before. You get to play not

968
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 2: only in these different animated universes, we get to see

969
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: these different cool worlds, but you get to bring in

970
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: the and we will put a big spoiler warning on

971
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 2: this and it will come out after the film is out,

972
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: but like you get to bring in these live action

973
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: elements too.

974
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: What is it like to then balance.

975
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 2: That because we, i mean, what is it Roger Rabbit

976
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: the last time we really got to see like animation

977
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: and live action together. So what was it like to

978
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: get to not only just tease those moments and do throwbacks,

979
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 2: but to even bring a live action character into the

980
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: animated world.

981
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 6: It's interesting because one of the you don't want to

982
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 6: overdo it. That's one of the key things is that, like,

983
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 6: you know, we had a lot of different ideas for

984
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 6: live action things, and you know, we would storyboard them.

985
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 6: The storyboards of the live action stuff was great because

986
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 6: we did it south Park style where it'd be like

987
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 6: a cutout would like the flapy mouth, and it's like, oh,

988
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 6: you know, it was just really it was hilarious seeing

989
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 6: all these floppy mouth yeah versions, but but then we

990
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 6: just realized it.

991
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 5: Was diminishing returns.

992
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 6: So it was again this is I can talk about

993
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 6: the film this is coming out.

994
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 5: It will come out.

995
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: On Friday, okay, and we will put spoiler.

996
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 6: But like, you know, when we decide to have a

997
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 6: live action character in there, I mean, it creates its

998
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 6: believe it or not, it creates its own challenges.

999
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 5: Because we have to like build a costume for.

1000
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 6: The character and then like figure out a way to

1001
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 6: make it not look terrible existing in the animated world, right,

1002
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 6: And but it's also like you just want to have

1003
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 6: the best impact, I guess, and also make it something surprising.

1004
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 6: You know, there's the thing that people expect, and it's like, well,

1005
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 6: if everyone expects it, do we really want to do

1006
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 6: you know this person or that person or this character.

1007
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 6: And it's like, you know, we can't help but get

1008
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 6: a little.

1009
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 5: Bit metas sometimes.

1010
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 6: So you know, we were just you know, thinking about like, well,

1011
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 6: what's a character from the live action that you know

1012
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 6: people wouldn't expect to see and you know, just again

1013
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 6: it's it's Lord Miller Man like it's we want to

1014
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 6: make each other laugh, and honestly we do.

1015
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 5: It's very useful for us.

1016
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 6: To do things like do audience testing and stuff like that,

1017
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 6: and we see the reaction the audience has to it,

1018
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 6: But that's just proving out what we were.

1019
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 5: Already excited by.

1020
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 6: Yes, so we're kind of like trying these versions out

1021
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 6: and it's like, when we're all really tickled and amused,

1022
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 6: that's kind of where we decide to go with it.

1023
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 6: But the technical things, I believe it or not, the

1024
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 6: live action is far from the most difficult technically, where

1025
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 6: it's just basically like, Okay, let's just make sure it.

1026
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: Doesn't look stupid.

1027
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, But for the most part, like yeah, yeah, I

1028
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 6: just want to surprise people if we can.

1029
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: X ray Vision will be back and we're back. There's

1030
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: some wonderful parallels from across the Spider Verse and into

1031
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse. The one that jumps to mind is

1032
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: when Miles first encounters Peter alternate universe Peter in into

1033
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: the Spider Verse, he has and tied to a punching

1034
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: bag much in the same way, almost the exact same

1035
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: same setups as Miles finds himself in at the end

1036
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: of the movie. There's different, you know, there's the oh,

1037
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: that's a Banksy guys.

1038
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 5: I think that's a vagacy.

1039
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: How purposeful, how early in the process, I guess I

1040
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: should say, did those ideas come up, like, oh, we

1041
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,319
Speaker 1: know that Miles is going to be tied up, what

1042
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: if he was tied up the same way as Peter

1043
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: was tied up?

1044
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:27,959
Speaker 6: In terms of the specificity, I think it's much later

1045
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 6: in the process. You know, those are you know, you're

1046
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 6: not gonna you're not gonna.

1047
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 5: Build a scene or build a film around a joke.

1048
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what I mean that the story, the

1049
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 6: story has to work in its simplest, least funny version,

1050
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 6: right you know, So, I mean the scene with Miles

1051
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 6: on the bag, that was always the scene in terms

1052
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 6: of the specificity of like shooting it in a way

1053
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,919
Speaker 6: that it literally mirrors that that that came to when

1054
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 6: we got to the point where we were getting detailed

1055
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 6: about it and it was like, oh, let's see, you know,

1056
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 6: and that's not the only thing. It's like, you know,

1057
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 6: a certain character turning up the.

1058
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Sound y yeah, yeah.

1059
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 6: Like perfectly yeah, And we and we we got to

1060
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,919
Speaker 6: that specificity a little bit later, but in its earlier version,

1061
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 6: the scene that the dialogue wasn't even all locked in

1062
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 6: and we were just kind of experimenting with it. But

1063
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 6: but we were always thinking about, like I mean, that

1064
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 6: was one of my you know, it was one of

1065
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 6: my favorite little parts in the in the first film,

1066
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 6: when you know he's Peter's tied to the bag and

1067
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 6: he like guesses immediately exactly where. It was such a

1068
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 6: great scene and and so yeah, yeah, yeah, we were

1069
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 6: thinking about it.

1070
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 5: But that's not always a case.

1071
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 6: Sometimes it's just like like that, like the little Banksy joke.

1072
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 5: And I'm not kidding. I think we just added it,

1073
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 5: maybe just a couple of.

1074
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 6: Weeks before we finished, yeah, because at first it was

1075
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 6: just like everyone was like whoa, and it was just

1076
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 6: like just put that there.

1077
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 5: You know, why not.

1078
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: We live in this age where there is like a

1079
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,839
Speaker 2: lot of comic book adaptations. But I think the first movie,

1080
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 2: and especially I think in this movie is you know,

1081
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 2: I'm Top to eleven. This feels like it is adapting

1082
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 2: a comic book. It's not just about adapting Miles, who

1083
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 2: came from a comic book. You know, Bendis Andceelli like

1084
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: created this character. This we have Hobi here, this spider punk,

1085
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: his hornerful visual seeing stealing sid but my favorite no

1086
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: surprises to anyone, but like the way you bring him

1087
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: to life. He's a zine basically you see these collages

1088
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: this so that's one style of comic books. You get

1089
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 2: these moments where you see actual comic books and you

1090
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: have people like Samford Green, you know, Rick Leonardi, these

1091
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 2: icons come on raw. Could you talk a little bit

1092
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: about bringing the comics to life, because that is not

1093
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: something we get so much.

1094
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean a lot of it was actually inviting

1095
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 6: in the artists. Yes, folks like you know, Rick Leonardi,

1096
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 6: Brian Stealfries. You know, a lot of the look of

1097
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 6: Jess Drew's character. We brought in Brian Stealfries, not just

1098
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 6: his comic work, but he does this amazing pin up work,

1099
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 6: and it was a lot of the pin up work

1100
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 6: that really inspired the look of Jess Drew. And of

1101
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 6: course Sandford. I mean you wouldn't even realize it, but

1102
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 6: a lot of the marketing materials to pose as you

1103
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 6: see of miles all over the place, those were Sanford's poses.

1104
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 6: Sanford was brought in really really early to do lots

1105
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 6: of miles posing. You know, it's it's amazing, how how

1106
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 6: long and and it's.

1107
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 5: Just you know, comics.

1108
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 6: I don't I don't want to get like overly philosophical here,

1109
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 6: but you know, it's kind of sad when you think

1110
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 6: about the history of comic books and how these creators,

1111
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 6: you know, created these amazing things that are now so

1112
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 6: valuable and just got cut out of everything about monetarily

1113
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 6: and also creatively, and and it's and it's and it's

1114
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 6: inspired at least, and sometimes it's just like straight up ripping,

1115
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 6: you know, off the work. And I mean people legally

1116
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 6: have a right to do it, but I don't know,

1117
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 6: I just it just felt better, It felt right to

1118
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 6: kind of invite this community as much as we could

1119
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 6: that inspired it, you know, into into the process. I mean,

1120
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 6: my favorite comic book artists, I mean I have I

1121
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 6: have a big three. It's Adams, you know, Frank, Frank

1122
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 6: Miller because my first comic book that I love was

1123
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 6: Frank Miller's Wolverine.

1124
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: And billson Kevich.

1125
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we hire billson Kevich, who actually did what

1126
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 6: I think is like one of the most amazing posters

1127
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 6: that I think they're going to be giving out at

1128
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 6: one of the theaters. So just to be able to

1129
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 6: engage some of the like artistic the people who made

1130
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 6: me love comices.

1131
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 5: Like billson Kevitch's run on New Mutants.

1132
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 6: Of course, you like changed my impression of like what

1133
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 6: a comic book could be. And and I mean that's

1134
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 6: what this film is really trying to do. It's it's

1135
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 6: it's it's like, you know, you're seeing all these different

1136
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 6: styles that say, like, oh, animation could be that, because

1137
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 6: like that's what that's what comics are about, is that

1138
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 6: there's all these amazing you know, Alex Ross, there's just

1139
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 6: all these different styles, painterly abstract, you know, like, yeah,

1140
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 6: I thought, you know m Night Shyamalan, his his crazy

1141
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 6: character who runs like a comic book art gallery.

1142
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 5: It's a little bit crazy about it, but.

1143
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Like it is, no, it is really that's amazing because

1144
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: like so when there's the five X structure with the

1145
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: comic books, right, and when they were coming up at first,

1146
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm like, oh, that's the Samford

1147
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 2: Green like nod, it's a knee ter egg, that's a

1148
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: Leonardi not I have. This is a Leonardi piece on

1149
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: my palm. Like but actually then at the end really

1150
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: early credits, you get comic books and they were also

1151
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: Neila Magruder, who was a co creator of Spider By Yes, exactly.

1152
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: So I love to hear that that was your mentality,

1153
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: because that's how it felt like it was. The movie

1154
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: moved me in many ways, but as someone who cares

1155
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 2: about this stuff we talk about all the time we

1156
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: dream of comics getting a union. That was the thing

1157
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 2: that moved me the most was to see these people.

1158
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: Chris Anka, who made these characters.

1159
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 5: He is everything.

1160
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 6: I mean, all of these you know, Metro Wooman's been

1161
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 6: posting all these Metro so those are all Chris. Chris

1162
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 6: has done all that stuff, all the all the Metro

1163
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 6: sonas have all been Chris Anchor and and a lot

1164
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 6: of our key character designs for the film, you know,

1165
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 6: have started, you know, with Chris Anka's pencil, and it's

1166
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,919
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't really imagine us having been able

1167
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 6: to accomplish it without without any of them.

1168
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: I can't.

1169
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: That grounding and reverence for the comics allows you to

1170
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: do some really great, uh humorous moments where you poke

1171
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: fun at certain characters. I'm thinking specifically of Scarlet Spider Ben's.

1172
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: It's so good because if you are not aware of

1173
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: the nineties material, it's funny, it's accessible, you're laughing, and

1174
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 1: if you are aware of it, have you readier mask Rale.

1175
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 6: His design was like we were literally saying, like, Okay,

1176
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 6: how many pouches can we get?

1177
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 5: You know what I mean?

1178
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 6: I think the casual fan doesn't even notice because his

1179
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 6: poses are extreme.

1180
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 5: And he goes a fick poke.

1181
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 6: His legs are doing things that legs can't really do

1182
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 6: and he's casually doing it, and we just would laugh

1183
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 6: so hard. But then when we saw it rendered the

1184
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 6: first time in his style FO Miles of World, it

1185
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 6: was Honestly, it was one of the first things that

1186
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 6: kind of took my breath away. We had a three

1187
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 6: D model and it turned and moved because I just

1188
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,080
Speaker 6: thought it. I was like, oh, I thought I was

1189
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 6: just looking at a picture from an image, you know,

1190
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 6: comic from the from the Heyday. But but yeah, that

1191
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 6: that design, man, I was just like, yeah, that's that

1192
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 6: is like the Heyday, the nineties, the muscles on top

1193
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 6: of muscles, shading, yes, crying.

1194
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you obviously love comics. Was there for you,

1195
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 2: like coming into this project and getting this idea of

1196
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 2: how many Spider people?

1197
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 3: Was that someone you really wanted to see?

1198
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 2: Like was there a Spider character or urist or you know,

1199
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: was there's something that you were like I want to

1200
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 2: bring this into the world, even if it's just for me.

1201
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 5: There wasn't any one.

1202
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 6: There were just I mean honestly, the ones that I

1203
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 6: most wanted to see were the ones we put in

1204
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 6: the film. Yeah, you know, I was goundy. I was

1205
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: really excited about Punk. I was really excited about Pov

1206
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 6: Pov because we did a pretty extreme redesign of his

1207
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 6: character so good.

1208
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 2: We were talking about, Yeah, I was actually my brilliant

1209
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 2: friend nick I Shookla is the writer of the New

1210
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 2: Spider Man in the ecomic, and I was just saying,

1211
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: I just want to see Pav on the pages now

1212
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 2: because the design you guys did.

1213
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Is so cool.

1214
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1215
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 6: I was really gassed about and you know, there was

1216
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 6: It took a lot of you know, we brought in

1217
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 6: a consultant to talk about like certain things, you know,

1218
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 6: like the Nehrew collar and and what you know he

1219
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 6: should and then the hairstyles was also a tremendous thing,

1220
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 6: and then our first design from him. He was younger

1221
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 6: and and rightfully so someone brought up like issues of

1222
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 6: like why don't make the dying guy like a Mowgli stereotype,

1223
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 6: So it was like, you know what let's age this kid.

1224
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: Up and he gets to be that.

1225
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's he's just tough, he's good at what

1226
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 5: he does. It was.

1227
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 6: It was one of the most challenging parts of the

1228
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 6: film to do, which I think made it all the

1229
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 6: more satisfying. But from the redesign of Pav to executing

1230
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 6: his character and his story which involved I mean true story,

1231
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 6: an early version of it.

1232
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 5: We thought it was.

1233
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 6: Getting pretty good and then we got an email from

1234
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 6: a lot of our animators in India who were just like,

1235
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 6: this is not good. Like it's not, it's not it's

1236
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 6: not as good a character. Like we're we're from different

1237
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 6: parts of India and like one thing we agree on

1238
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 6: is like this, this could be better.

1239
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 5: So and again this is this is the nature of collaboration.

1240
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, we very quickly assembled in all like Indian writer's room,

1241
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 6: and we invited not just Indian American Indian like Hassamanaj

1242
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 6: was in the room, like we we brought in a

1243
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 6: lot of people and showed him the scene and then

1244
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 6: just got notes and taught and they were just talking

1245
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 6: about their lives, talking about their culture, and then rewrote

1246
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 6: the whole thing.

1247
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 5: Pav went He was very different he was much younger

1248
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 5: he he was.

1249
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:07,479
Speaker 6: He was kind of like almost like naive, and and

1250
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 6: we just transformed the character into something that the folks

1251
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 6: in that room could recognize. So I don't know just

1252
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 6: of the characters. I didn't know much about Spider Man

1253
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 6: India and the comic books. I just literally saw a

1254
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 6: design and I read a little bit about it, and

1255
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, he gets power, so it's really cool.

1256
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 6: Came in his uncle's uncle beam like it's like there's

1257
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 6: always gonna be Peter, you.

1258
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 5: Know, parallels.

1259
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 6: But but it was like, Okay, I think this is

1260
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 6: an interesting idea, but we got to like, really, let's

1261
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 6: try to just do our version of it, because that's

1262
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 6: the other thing is we don't want to be beholden

1263
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 6: to any source material, which if you've seen our movie

1264
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 6: you should know that's a pretty strong The world view

1265
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 6: we have is that, you know, canon can also be

1266
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 6: like turned into a noose, and it can it can

1267
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 6: take all the joy, it can take all the excitement

1268
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 6: out of anything when you know you set these incredibly

1269
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 6: rigid rules. And so of course we weren't going to

1270
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 6: where to that in making this film or any other characters.

1271
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 6: But I think Punk and POV are the greatest examples

1272
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 6: of it. Yeah, because they look nothing like their source material.

1273
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 2: That's going to become the defining version for people who

1274
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: watch these movies.

1275
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 5: Oh man, the punk toys, it looks incredible.

1276
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 6: When they gave me schwag and like, my son came,

1277
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 6: I was like, you got some stuff in there, and

1278
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 6: he was like, where's punk? Then Action figure has like

1279
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 6: a guitar, and you know, then my daughter came by

1280
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 6: and she was like, oh, you want to pinch.

1281
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 5: She was like, where's punk? They went right for the

1282
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 5: Spider Punk stuff.

1283
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: Tell us about the inclusion of punk, because, as we

1284
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: were saying before, Cody Ziggler, great friend of the Pod,

1285
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: was the writer of the ongoing Spider Punk series over

1286
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 1: at Marvel Comics, and I remember talking with him before

1287
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: he had seen the movie and several weeks back, and

1288
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: he was like, I don't know. They tell me the

1289
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: art style is like incredible, but I haven't seen yet

1290
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 1: and it truly is startling and great. Tell us about

1291
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 1: the inclusion of.

1292
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 6: Spider Yeah, I mean, I think his design is like

1293
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 6: the coolest thing in the film. I agree, And there

1294
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 6: was an earlier version of it where you know, we

1295
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 6: almost cut Punk out of the film, but wonderfully, as

1296
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 6: we were working on the story, he became integral to

1297
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 6: the plot. And then I think that's that's really what's key.

1298
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 6: And it starts were like, well, this is kind of

1299
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 6: a cool character, this idea of you know, Miles starting

1300
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 6: to have feelings for Gwen and being uncertain about this

1301
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 6: other boy. So immediately like filled in that slot because

1302
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 6: it's like, Miles is so cool that we watched the

1303
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 6: first end of the Spider Verse and Miles is cool.

1304
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 6: So it's like, we need a character that would make

1305
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 6: Miles immediately look uncool.

1306
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 5: Make one of them cool. You know.

1307
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 6: It's like Miles who's wearing his nikes and his hoodie.

1308
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 6: We need to make that character look like a dork. Yeah,

1309
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 6: And the character that makes that character like a dork

1310
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 6: is Spider Punk.

1311
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: You know.

1312
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 6: He's he's nineteen twenty, he's six foot three inches tall,

1313
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 6: rail thin, you know, And we always we always use

1314
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 6: the term, Like when we first brought in Annual and

1315
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 6: we were talking about the character and it was like,

1316
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 6: the way we describe him is it's not just that

1317
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 6: he's cool, he's effortlessly.

1318
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 5: Cool and makes him annoying.

1319
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 6: You know, he's effort and for there was an early

1320
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 6: version of the script where everyone kept saying that like

1321
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 6: it's so effortless, it's so effortless, Like it's so effortless,

1322
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 6: and Miles was just like, if one more person says effortless,

1323
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 6: they're gonna scream. But it's the fact that he's effortlessly cool.

1324
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 6: So you know, we always knew he was gonna be

1325
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 6: in there, but then we had to make sure it

1326
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 6: worked for the overarching narrative. But it started with, you know,

1327
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 6: the the boy who makes Miles jealous, but then when

1328
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 6: we really dug into it, it just became a character

1329
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 6: that became integral to the plot of the entire film.

1330
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 6: And you know, again without spoiling it, there's certain key

1331
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 6: like the film can't exist.

1332
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 5: Without company anymore.

1333
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and and you know, we knew there was

1334
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 6: gonna be a lot of people who were just like, oh.

1335
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:52,360
Speaker 5: Man, where's where's Noir?

1336
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 6: And where's Henny and and you know, again spoiler, you're

1337
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 6: gonna but it's like, you gotta take some time to develop.

1338
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 6: You can't just throw one dimensional characters on top of people,

1339
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 6: and you you really have to take the time to

1340
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 6: give these characters a story, give them a motivation, to

1341
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 6: make people care about them in order for this all

1342
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 6: to work in the in the bigger story that you're

1343
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 6: trying to tell. It was so great to hear people

1344
01:04:18,520 --> 01:04:20,920
Speaker 6: cheer at the end when it's like, Okay, now you're

1345
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 6: seeing some characters you know that you are familiar with,

1346
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 6: but you love these new ones.

1347
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 3: Seeing them together, you're.

1348
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 6: Thinking, Wow, what's it going to be like? You know,

1349
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 6: Noir interacting with Punk? How fun is that's gonna be?

1350
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, and you get That's one of my favorite lines

1351
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 8: in the movie that I think sums up the effortlessly

1352
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 8: cool thing is when he takes his mask off and

1353
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,439
Speaker 8: Miles is like, like.

1354
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 3: That's not fair. So you talk kind of about this.

1355
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 2: We touched on the idea of this the noose of

1356
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 2: Cannon and Spider Punk is kind of this great rebel

1357
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: against the Cannon as that is such a fun meta

1358
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 2: story arc and obviously as create as it come short

1359
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 2: a place of you guys knowing that as readers and

1360
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 2: people who love Canon but also have had to sit

1361
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: through Uncle Ben dying fifty thousand times in fifty thousand

1362
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: of us, could you talk about that because when that happened,

1363
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 2: it sort of exploded the movie onto a different meta level. Yeah.

1364
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a big turn for the film. And and

1365
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 6: again like this is Look, we can't talk about Miles

1366
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:23,560
Speaker 6: Morales the character in the world without talking about the

1367
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 6: negative pushback that to this day you still get for

1368
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 6: the character about whether he's a legit Spider Man. And

1369
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 6: it's it's heartbreaking that these are conversations that have to

1370
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 6: be had.

1371
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 5: But you know, it was.

1372
01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 6: Really you know, when when Miguel says a line like

1373
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 6: you're not supposed to be Spider Man.

1374
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 5: Of course that has a multiples.

1375
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 6: You know, and in that moment, he represents every person

1376
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,480
Speaker 6: in the world who questions the existence of this very

1377
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 6: character in the film and in him. If Miles is

1378
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 6: going to push back and do something you know different,

1379
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 6: Like we're having a conversation with our audience. Yeah, you know,

1380
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 6: we're not trying to lecture anyone.

1381
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we want to.

1382
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 6: Have a conversation and just like we we feel like

1383
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:11,480
Speaker 6: Miles in that moment, you know what I mean. So

1384
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 6: so that those and hopefully if we're successful, someone who

1385
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 6: doesn't know about any of that can just understand it

1386
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 6: and appreciate it and be moved on the very simplest level,

1387
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 6: But if you are privy to the world in which

1388
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 6: these characters are being discussed, you can also get that

1389
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 6: that double meaning.

1390
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: It really amps up the movie. You're absolutely right, because

1391
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: it's in that moment where you understand that Miles has

1392
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: to do what he has to do despite the fact

1393
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: that everybody is telling him not to. Yes, he can't

1394
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: do that. He has to go to the other is.

1395
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 6: Our hero and what he's doing is ostensibly very selfish. Yeah,

1396
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 6: but we have to be on his side.

1397
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: And it's also it's also a choice that is incredibly relatable,

1398
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 2: not just to the audience, but to every single Spider

1399
01:06:58,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: Puss and in the Elite Spider Force they would have

1400
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: done the same thing.

1401
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: They can pretend that Miguel.

1402
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 2: Has, you know, So in that way, it's a very

1403
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: interesting choice. And I think the coolest thing is I

1404
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,800
Speaker 2: think a lot of people will probably learn the term

1405
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: canon from this movie and learn it and understand it

1406
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: in that context, and then get to understand and learn

1407
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 2: retroactively how it impacts comics and the way that we

1408
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 2: read them.

1409
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 6: Canon is something that is always and again, I had

1410
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 6: a lot of experience with it. My first TV job

1411
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 6: was on Star Trek Discovery, so it just felt like.

1412
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,760
Speaker 1: Well, Cannon, here's the textbooks.

1413
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 6: I've worked on other projects behind the scene that are

1414
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 6: all a lot of big canon things, and it becomes

1415
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 6: so rigid and so frustrating, and like we were having

1416
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,880
Speaker 6: a conversation earlier and it was just like so many

1417
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 6: of the things you feel like you can't live without

1418
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 6: and you love the most right now. When it first

1419
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 6: came out, you were suspicious of it and you thought

1420
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 6: it was stupid, you know what I mean. It's not

1421
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 6: like people's saw these things that are iconic coming, whether

1422
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 6: it's films or performances, I mean pretty much everything. When

1423
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 6: it comes to comic book films, everyone wanted to Revolt.

1424
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 6: When Michael Keaton was cast as Badman, they.

1425
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 5: Wanted to Joker.

1426
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 6: People thought, why do we need another Spider Man movie

1427
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 6: into the Spider Verse. All of this stuff has been

1428
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 6: greeted with hostility until it. For all the Star Wars,

1429
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 6: I mean the year that Star Wars The Phantom Menace

1430
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 6: came out, there was this other little movie called The

1431
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 6: Matrix that was kind of silly and movie that turned

1432
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 6: into another thing that people were psychotic and rich and

1433
01:08:37,160 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 6: then immediately rigid about So here's all the rules that

1434
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 6: have been established in newsflash. Most of the people creating

1435
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 6: this stuff are kind of making it up as well.

1436
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: Law.

1437
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 6: The stuff that becomes cannon and law is we're just

1438
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 6: kind of like whatever, Man, I'm going home right now,

1439
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 6: or I'm drunk.

1440
01:08:58,200 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 5: I don't know, did I say that?

1441
01:08:59,360 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 8: Really?

1442
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: The only words red shoes.

1443
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know.

1444
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 3: This Spider Man was bitten by a pig.

1445
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 6: That's really real because it's it's just a bunch of

1446
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 6: people and we're throwing it and we kind of go

1447
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 6: back and go, oh man, but that doesn't make sense.

1448
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 5: That's too late. Now someone else makes problem.

1449
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and and so it's like be careful about

1450
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 6: don't don't take the fun out of it, don't don't

1451
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 6: turn it into something where it's the very thing that

1452
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 6: made us get into comics is that we couldn't get

1453
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 6: into the elite clubs. You know, we weren't invited into

1454
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 6: all these spaces. I was a nerd growing up, so

1455
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 6: that the reaction to that is to then become like

1456
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 6: elitist and exclusive about about something that makes no sense

1457
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 6: to me.

1458
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, that makes no, especially when comics is not

1459
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 2: just accessible because they've always been able to be bought

1460
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 2: for a couple of dollars or twenty five cents depending

1461
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: on how far. But anyone can make one because all

1462
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:59,599
Speaker 2: you need is paper and pencil. So in that way,

1463
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 2: it's like almost impossible to gate keep. Yeah, people still

1464
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: do everyone, you know, co makes off for everyone, just

1465
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: like this movie's for everyone, and people hate that. It

1466
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 2: terrifies them.

1467
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, they want to feel like, you know, I'm the

1468
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 6: only one in the world who can enjoy this, and

1469
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 6: it's like, no, man, you gotta gotta be open to

1470
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 6: doing things a little a little bit differently.

1471
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: I must ask Kemp, as the one of the co

1472
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: writers of Soul, you put the Knicks joke in Soul

1473
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: Bring Out. It was like a gut punch when I

1474
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: saw the scene, and it's so incredibly accurate. Tell us

1475
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: about putting that in the movie.

1476
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, context is everything, right.

1477
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 6: I'm a lifelong Knicks fan and the last time the

1478
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 6: Knicks won a title was the year I was born,

1479
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 6: so I haven't been alive.

1480
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 5: For a championship Knicks team.

1481
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,759
Speaker 6: So, and I'm loyal. Hey, I mean, I was sitting

1482
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 6: in the front row of Nick heat. Like I literally

1483
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 6: flew to New York just to watch Nick's heat and

1484
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 6: I and I and I hold to you know, I

1485
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 6: have I have Clipper season tickets. You know what I mean,

1486
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 6: because I'm here, But I'm a Knicks die hard, and

1487
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1488
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,080
Speaker 5: It's just it felt like the perfect.

1489
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 6: Joke, this idea of like, you know what, what if

1490
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:19,879
Speaker 6: my team's futility has been because of a cosmic prankster

1491
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 6: who's just been like picking on them. But I will

1492
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 6: say after Soul came out, it felt like the Knicks

1493
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 6: started getting better.

1494
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 5: And if we can talk basketball for just a.

1495
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 6: Minute, please this year's playoffs, man, Like everyone's talking about

1496
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 6: who can they trade for?

1497
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,639
Speaker 5: I think this team they have it as is if

1498
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 5: you just stay with them. You know, everyone wants to

1499
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 5: get rid of Randall.

1500
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 6: I actually love this Knicks squad, man, I really love

1501
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 6: this thing.

1502
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 1: All I know is we got too off a team

1503
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:48,759
Speaker 1: that's going to the finals.

1504
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, I really.

1505
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 2: Like you said, they beat Jimmy Butler, who is currently unbeatable.

1506
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 6: The problem with the Knicks is because New York is

1507
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 6: such a huge market. Even when you have a team,

1508
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 6: you feel like Okay, it's New York. We got to

1509
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 6: get a bigger star.

1510
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and they they never build through the draft.

1511
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 6: They always try to, like, you get some talent and

1512
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 6: then you're like, now, let's get rid of this talent

1513
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 6: and get a star who's gonna sell tickets. But nothing

1514
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 6: will sell tickets more than just being good. And the

1515
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 6: Knicks were good for years. The Ewing years were actually

1516
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 6: awesome that you know, even the Allan Houston fighting getting

1517
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 6: into fist fights with Miami years with Latrell's Freewell and

1518
01:12:28,479 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 6: Allen Houston, those are pretty good years too, you know.

1519
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 6: So anyway I can, I can go down a rabbit

1520
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 6: hole and no one new questions. My New York Knicks

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Speaker 6: bomb can eat it because I.

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Speaker 5: Earned that joke.

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Speaker 6: I'll stand by that joking soul till my dying days.

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Speaker 5: And I think it's a good joke.

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Speaker 6: You know people Knicks fans laugh their asses off, and

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 6: Lakers fans laugh even harder, of course, so but whatever,

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Speaker 6: but I love that joke.

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Speaker 1: Camp Powers, thank you so much for Yeah, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much.

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Speaker 5: Great meet you come back any time. Thank you, thank

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Speaker 5: you very much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Kemp up next ned out in today's nerd out where

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01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: you tell us what you love them, why, or a

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01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: theory you're excited share. Amy pictures us on the ya

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 2: series The Lunar Chronicles by Marissa Mayer.

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Speaker 4: My name is Amy and my nerd out is The

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01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 4: Lunar Chronicles by Marissa Meyer. It's a young adult book

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Speaker 4: series that can be described as fairy tales in space,

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01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 4: and it feels like a cross between Sailor Moon and Firefly.

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01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 4: It has great characters, type plotting, and is a space

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01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,760
Speaker 4: opera that is clearly having so much fun being a

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01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 4: space opera. In the opening, Cinder is a mechanic in

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01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 4: New Beijing and Earthen City centuries in the future. She's

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01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 4: also a cyborg with mechanical hand and leg and a

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01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,560
Speaker 4: brain interface so lets her download data directly into her head.

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01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 4: Across the series, we meet Little Red riding Hood, who

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Speaker 4: is a farmer, an expert pilot, Rapunzel, who is a

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 4: hacker trapped in a satellite, and snow White and says

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01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 4: who is letting herself lose touch with reality rather than

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01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 4: compromise her ethics. There's also a Moon colony, a pandemic

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01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 4: mind control, a social media star prints, genetically hybrid humans,

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01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 4: a scoundrel with a heart of gold, the stolen ship

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 4: he loves, a palace guard who keeps his cards close

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Speaker 4: to his chest, and a revolution about fighting the system,

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01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 4: by and for the people directly impacted by the oppression.

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01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,640
Speaker 4: And let's not to forget near and dear to my

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01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 4: heart Eco, a robot buddy with a faulty personality. Chip

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 4: Meyer weaves in clever references to the old traditional tales,

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 4: which reward deep fairy tale readers, and she pre plotted

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 4: everything out so the foreshadowing is fierce. The first book

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:41,559
Speaker 4: was published in twenty twelve, and the quartet was added

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01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 4: to with a collection of short stories, a villain origin novel,

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,680
Speaker 4: and a graphic novel duology starring Eco. I first came

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 4: across the series while living abroad, and that cover image

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,880
Speaker 4: of a Cinderella foot with a cyborg foot faintly visible

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01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 4: inside it definitely caught my eye. I'm a school librarian,

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01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 4: and I love that this is a series I can

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01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 4: hand to a mature eleven year old looking for light

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01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 4: romance and slightly more complexity in storytelling. But it's also

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01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,680
Speaker 4: a series that as an adult I can read and

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01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 4: find utterly delightful in my opinion, it might be a

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 4: perfect way series. The books have remained in print and

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01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 4: are widely available libraries. My hope is that the sff

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01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 4: TV renaissance we're having right now will mean this series

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01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 4: gets adapted into a teen friendly, jubilant and fast paced

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01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 4: space opera. Other the books are already great, so you

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01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 4: should read them.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Amy.

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Speaker 2: If you have theories or passions you want to share,

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01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,719
Speaker 2: hit us up at x ray at crooked dot com.

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01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: Instructions in the show notes.

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01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: Big thank you to Camppowers. What a wonderful interview, hewoye.

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Speaker 1: And that's it for us, Rosie, any plugs.

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01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 3: Go see Across the Spider of Us. Really delightful.

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Speaker 4: Good.

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Speaker 3: Lots of comic book.

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01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 2: Creators worked on this movie, and I want them to

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Speaker 2: get residuals.

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 3: I want them to do it.

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01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 2: I want them to be living life and enjoying it

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 2: and having a great time.

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01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 3: And I want you to watch the movie because it's delightful.

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: Also, go and buy some comics, go read some comics

1595
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 2: by these brilliant creators, and of course listen to us

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,760
Speaker 2: talking about those comics and the movies on here.

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Speaker 1: Catch the next episode of Extra Vision on Wednesday, June seventh,

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01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 1: where we finish our coverage of Yellow Jackets season two

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01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,479
Speaker 1: on the Beleaguered Showtime. Now those girls.

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Speaker 2: Are looking Believe it in that finale and subscribe on YouTube.

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01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 3: But you can now watch full episodes.

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01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: Of the show and check out the discord to meet

1603
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 2: and hang with tons of amazing fans and listeners plus

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Speaker 2: Mia Jason.

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Speaker 1: Five storrdy x five star. You gotta give them to us.

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Speaker 1: Here's one from Oh Bob Saggat forty for eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: simply the best. I could listen to Jason Rosie talk

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Speaker 1: all day. Oh they're super knowledgeable when it comes to

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01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:40,240
Speaker 1: all things comics and just nerd culture in general. Listening

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01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,360
Speaker 1: to these two is always the highlight of my week.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping everyone saying all the best, Oh

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Speaker 1: Bob Saggat forty forty nine, Thank you, Bob Sagod forty

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Speaker 1: four eighty nine. Extra Vision is a Crooked Media production.

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Speaker 1: The show is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin

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01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: and executive produced by me Jason Contempts You and our

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,320
Speaker 1: editing at Sound design is by Facillis Fotopoulos. Video production

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01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: by Delon Villanueva and Rachel Gaiski. Social media by Awa

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Speaker 1: Oklati and Caroline Dunfey. Thank you to Brian Basquez for

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Speaker 1: our Themesday. See you next time, folks.

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Speaker 3: Bye,